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Speaker 2: I got dats in my head. Can't get join not

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Speaker 3: Hello, this is Alan Schipnaka. Welcome back to another Fire

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Speaker 3: Drill podcast. It is Sunday evening here at Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: Country Club. The one hundred and twenty third US Open

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Speaker 3: is in the books Michael Bamberger and I are straight

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Speaker 3: from the eighteenth Green watching a Star be born. That

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Speaker 3: is that proper English, a star was born. We have

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Speaker 3: ballsy performance? He played great all week, all week and

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Speaker 1: A strong as an ox, He's unpretentious, he's sea ball,

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Speaker 3: No, And I mean he's only a second tour win.

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Speaker 3: But the last one was on a big league ballpark too.

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Speaker 1: There's always that moment kind of maybe I don't really

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Speaker 1: this Wyndom Clark. You know, I guess he sort of

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Speaker 3: That that's all very well said. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: But really, I mean Saint Andrew's Canadian Open, US Open.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, you know, there's ative strength in

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Speaker 3: rebellion on his hands. So it's a great deal from

428
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Speaker 3: the tour and that the only thing that costs was

429
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Speaker 3: Monahan's soul. That's it. They they secured hundreds of millions

430
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Speaker 3: of dollars of free money and the only thing that

431
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Speaker 3: it costs was Monahan's reputation. It was a good deal

432
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Speaker 3: for the tour.

433
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Speaker 1: Do you think this would be a significant thing if

434
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Speaker 1: they wanted to develop a a golf tourist industry? Oh yeah,

435
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: And now, but now you're literally going to put the

436
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Speaker 1: PJ tourist stamp with you know, Payne Stewart's swing or

437
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Speaker 1: whoever swing that is in follow through, and then that's

438
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Speaker 1: going to create the message to the world that.

439
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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean I get into all this in the book,

440
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: I mean one of the thirteen and we're getting we're

441
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Speaker 3: going we'll get back to us open. Don't worry. But

442
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: the you know NBS has staked his whole reign on

443
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Speaker 3: this vision twenty thirty. There's thirteen pillars, thirteen sectors that

444
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: they want to grow, and tourism is one of them.

445
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: In sports is one of them, and golf combines both

446
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 3: and so yeah, you're gonna have TPC read and that

447
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 3: becomes a way to draw golf tourists and right.

448
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Speaker 1: They're going crazy football.

449
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you want to get you want to you

450
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Speaker 3: want to get Marriott to come in to build all

451
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Speaker 3: the resorts and invest in it. You want to get

452
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: you want to get Hurts, you want to get four

453
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Speaker 3: seasons like the you know, Windom, like all these these companies,

454
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Speaker 3: these in the tourism sector that have long relationships with

455
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Speaker 3: the tour Now the Saudi's have them too, So that's

456
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Speaker 3: a big part of what they're paying.

457
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Speaker 1: For as Wyndam Clark traded off his given name in

458
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Speaker 1: any way.

459
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Speaker 3: I'm sure by tonight the deal get signed. But when

460
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: we go back to this US Open leaderboard, I mean

461
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: we got to talk about Scotti Scheffler, like he just

462
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 3: he falls out of bed and finish his third. Now

463
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 3: it's incredible level he's playing at. I don't know how

464
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: many six and eight footers he missed this week, but it.

465
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Speaker 1: Was He's actually got to be kicking himself.

466
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, only three backs, Yeah, I mean, seventy was

467
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 3: the worst he could have shot today. But it's interesting

468
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 3: because his putting is now becoming a thing, and now

469
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Speaker 3: it's now he's gonna have to talk about it and

470
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Speaker 3: answer questions about it. You know, it's not just a

471
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 3: week or two now, he's now he's turned into a

472
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: bad putter, and so anything holding him back from winning majors.

473
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Speaker 3: So yeah, gets in your head and people talk about it,

474
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Speaker 3: and the fans there's energy. Every time he misses a

475
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: six footer, there's that whistling and buzzing like, oh not again.

476
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Speaker 3: And now all the brad Faxtes of the world and

477
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: be up in his business trying to give him tips

478
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: and that's no place you want to be. I mean

479
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Speaker 3: that that was Sergio Garcia. There's a lot of great

480
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Speaker 3: players who couldn't putt and it it's it's a total

481
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Speaker 3: mind fuck.

482
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, no, he hits it great, but with a

483
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Speaker 1: funky move. So those two things in combination. But from

484
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Speaker 1: from what I've heard of the guy, when I've been

485
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: around the guy, he doesn't seem like someone is going

486
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Speaker 1: to be put off to it. You know, if they're

487
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: dissing his putting on Golf channel, do you think Scotti

488
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Speaker 1: Scheffer is going to care?

489
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Speaker 3: Not really. He definitely has a lot of dustin in him,

490
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: which is a compliment, you know, that ability to just

491
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: let it all go and just focus on what matters,

492
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: which is the next shot. But I mean he knows

493
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 3: internally he's putting bad and he's missing I don't know,

494
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 3: so you know it's a thing.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, let me ask you this if I may,

496
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Speaker 1: what'd you think the La Country Club North Course?

497
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Speaker 3: I think I would love to go play it tomorrow

498
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: and every day after I played tonight. You know, we

499
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: got about an hour and a half a daylight. Michael,

500
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: I meant, I wouldn't want to be a member of

501
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 3: the club. Like I hate clubs like this that are

502
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 3: so up uptight and stuffy, but I would love to

503
00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 3: be a permanent guest. But I think it's incredibly fun

504
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 3: golf course. We saw so many cool shots and there's

505
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 3: no question the USJA was timid on the setup the

506
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 3: first two days. And you know, Wyndam Clark was one

507
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: under on the weekend, Rory was one under on the weekend,

508
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: Scheffler was two under. You know, those are your top

509
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 3: three guys. Like it played really exactly how you want

510
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 3: to US Open to play on the weekend. The first

511
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: two days it was it was a little soft and

512
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: vulnerable and the scores went really low. But you know,

513
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: look at look at Xander. I mean he was five

514
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 3: over the last three rounds. Ricky was three over the

515
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: last three rounds. So it's it was a great test.

516
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: I understand, you know, they never had an event here.

517
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: I understand why the usg was a little cautious, but

518
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: that definitely affected perception, like it was too wide in spot.

519
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: So you and I were when we're walking back into

520
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 3: this podcast, we still on the tenth tee. I mean

521
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: you said it looks like sheep rand I mean it's

522
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 3: the widest fairway in the world. Guys are driving at

523
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: three eighty and just having a wedge in, Like, where's

524
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: the challenge there? I mean, they put the pin in

525
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: some tough spots, but when the greens weren't super firm

526
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 3: like today, it was accessible and there was a lot

527
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: of holes like that. So yeah, wide fairways can be

528
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: cool and provide a lot of different strategic elements. But

529
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: this is the US Open, and we want part to

530
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: be an absolute premium And I'm not obsessed with part,

531
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 3: but I think it's kind of fun and this one

532
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: week where guys are pushed to the limits and to

533
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: the breaking point, and that there's danger on every swing

534
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: that you know, if you hook your drive ten yards

535
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: and you're in the rough, you're probably gonna make a bogie.

536
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: Like that's the tension starts before you even put the

537
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: tea in the ground, and then if you do hit

538
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: it into the rough, then it us a battle all

539
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 3: the way through here. You could spray the ball in

540
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 3: a lot of the holes and you were still fine.

541
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Speaker 3: And so it just it just didn't have that oppressiveness

542
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: that you want.

543
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Speaker 1: It really makes no sense to set up a golf

544
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Speaker 1: course this way for US Open, because this is an

545
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Speaker 1: organization that's desperate to dial back the ball. The single

546
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: most effective way for right now to dial back the

547
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: ball at this level of play. You used to take

548
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: driver out of the hands, so then we can drive

549
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: out of the hands. Has given a really narrow fairway.

550
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: So for eighteen, for anybody today with the breeze in

551
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: your face, to be able to step up there and

552
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: hit a hard slice into the wind. You know, I

553
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: understand I didn't see it, but I said where to

554
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: finished Whendam Clark's shot on eighteen everyone was bad, Well,

555
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: it was fine by the time it settled. You know.

556
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: It must have been that second shot a little bit

557
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: came up short. But the point is, you know, my

558
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: friend Mike Donald made this point eighteen and we saw

559
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: out a wingfoot. We've seen it almost every US Open. Eighteen.

560
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: You should be sweating bullets trying to drive from the fairway.

561
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Just try to find a place. And there's really no

562
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: challenge in inning eighteen, ten, eight, numerous other fairways. You know,

563
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: the fifteenth it was cute, not really, you know, it's

564
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: not pebble. You know, I don't know when I just

565
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: have one hundred and forty yard part three, but it

566
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: was a little too much. I don't I don't mind

567
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: experimenting and trying stuff, and I love the you know,

568
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: the risk ward part for short part fours that's neat.

569
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: But just yeah, when you say too timid, I think

570
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: that's exactly the right word. It's like the USGA is

571
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: kind of afraid to really take the reins here. And

572
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: even with the ball. We heard it in the USJA

573
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: press conference. I said, do you know we're going to

574
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: rain back this ball? Well, really, even what you're saying,

575
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: if you could get it, is not really raining back.

576
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: The ball five nothing, It's a nothing.

577
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: It's actually it's close to nothing. So I don't know.

578
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: It didn't feel I think between rivi Era and La

579
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: Country Club North, I mean v is rev it's great.

580
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: If I could only play one of the two courses,

581
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I'd rather play here now, as you say, change your

582
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: shoes in the car park and go to the first day.

583
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: That'd be fine. By the way I have played it once.

584
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 1: Have you ever put it? It was a fantastic experience

585
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: at it Frida egg sandwich at the Turn years ago

586
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: with avocado, very thin, soft, like one of the best

587
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: sandwiches certainly the best sandwich you ever had to turn

588
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: them up.

589
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's really everything I do.

590
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: They do well here. It's not you know, your style

591
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: or my style, but Riviera. It seems to me like

592
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: a US Open course. I'd be shocked if there's not

593
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: a another US Open Riviera before.

594
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 4: To know.

595
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 3: I mean, they're already committed to coming back here and uh,

596
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: you know, sixteen years what here's it? Twenty nine thirty nine? Why?

597
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: I just hope?

598
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: Why are you making these crazy long term commitments? I

599
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: mean my philosphe in life now is commit to as

600
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: little as you possibly can. Well, we're going out of

601
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: the way to commit to things they don't have to

602
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: commit to.

603
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: I know it's true. The listener should know that. Michael

604
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: often just books a one way flight and I'll say,

605
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: how are you when you when you fly out, He's like,

606
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is like on the day after

607
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: the tournament and he just wings it. So yeah, you're

608
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: you're you're true to your words.

609
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, why why is usual doing this? Do they think

610
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: they're going to start selling tickets for Mary twenty fifty

611
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: one now or twenty fifty whenever it is?

612
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: I think I think think it's just a negotiation. L A. C. C. Said, Well,

613
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: if we're gonna go through all this trouble, we want

614
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: to US opens, not just one. We don't want to

615
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: be a one off. And so like, okay, fine, we'll

616
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: give you, We'll give you this one, and we'll just

617
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 3: put one way out there. We'd have to think about

618
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: for a while. It'll be interesting, I'm sure that. I mean,

619
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Speaker 3: it's one of my favorite subplots is the pride of

620
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: the members is always damaged when when at the open

621
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Speaker 3: and in the part of memberships at Shinna Kock, membership

622
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: at Shinnecock kills be like, we don't know about this. Yeah,

623
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: that's a long time to recover. And and so I'm

624
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: sure there's there's a lot of bitter, you know, white

625
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: shoe lawyers running around the clubhouse, raging against the USGA.

626
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: I would be curious what kind of philosophy's changed for

627
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: the next setup if if everyone's having buyers remorse and

628
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 3: because this was not a the winning score does a matter.

629
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: It was just a sense it didn't feel like a

630
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: US Open. And part of that was the crowds. It's

631
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 3: been talked about a lot. We don't have to go

632
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 3: deep on it, but it just it just didn't didn't

633
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: have the electricity you want. It was a nice crowd

634
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: there on eighteen, but that was only because of the

635
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: buildout down the first fairway.

636
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: And I wonder if it might be sellers for remorse.

637
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder if the Country Club was

638
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: going to be, like you say, buyer's remorse. Did you

639
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: mean the USGA.

640
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: I kind of meant they're both. They're they're essentially both

641
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: buyers and sellers in this transaction. And yeah, I kind

642
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 3: of meant both.

643
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: You're right, but I could imagine I mean, I don't

644
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: know the membership. I really don't know this club at all,

645
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: but I could imagine the club saying it was nice,

646
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: but we don't need it again. You know, you're giving

647
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: up a lot, you're giving up your south course that

648
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: speed up parking and all the rest. It's kind of

649
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: it's not like Marion where it's so much part. It

650
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: should the tradition have these USJA competitions, and especially us

651
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: opens like they can have other competitions here that aren't

652
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: so demanding.

653
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: And it's all subject to reevaluation. And I agree twenty

654
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: and thirty nine could wind up at Chambers Bay or

655
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: Aaron Eils.

656
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: You see, Chambers Bay could be much improved. Reason why

657
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: I couldn't cool. But it's a beautiful piece of land.

658
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's probably in some ways Wyndham Clark was

659
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: the right winner for it just kind of fits like

660
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: like a good but not a great winner. A from

661
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 3: the popular perception. Did he earned it? He played lights

662
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: out all credits Wyndham Clark. But the casual fans are

663
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: going to kind of be like, I wish we had Rory,

664
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: I wish we had Ricky, and it just I guess

665
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: it seems sort of fitting somehow, like he was the

666
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: right man at the right time. And I don't I

667
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: don't mean that disparagingly, Like he hit the shots, he

668
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: won the tournament, but it's not going to be remembered

669
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: as a transcend it open. You know, if Rory had

670
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: won this and then went on to win six more

671
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: like this would have been in the timeline of his

672
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: career and e golf. It would have been deeply impactful.

673
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: And if Ricky had won, it would have it would

674
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: have been larger than life. The would have been thirty

675
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: guys on the green to mob him, you know, and.

676
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 1: So did you feel what a wait, what was your

677
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: impression of that moment? We were watching Ricky just standing

678
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: on that putting grun standing on that agent green waiting.

679
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was cool. I don't know if

680
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: the cameras caught this. So Clark taps in winds the open,

681
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: celebrates lustily as he should, lots of hugs, lots of kisses,

682
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: and Rory just throw on the back of the green

683
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: it still as a statue, just the picture of dignity.

684
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 3: And if you say, did you said Rory or Ricky?

685
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: Oh I met Ricky and I say, or I'm not sure,

686
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 3: but Ricky it was Ricky. My yeah, if I said Rory,

687
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: I met Ricky And and it was just neat. It

688
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: was just it was like it was the right thing

689
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: to do. He wasn't pouting, he wasn't moping. I mean,

690
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: he just played a mediocre around and lost the US Open,

691
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: and and he was totally cool about it, and and

692
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: we had a great look at it. It was just

693
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: it felt right in the moment.

694
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: And what does feel right? And so much doesn't kind

695
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: of feel right in golf right now. It was just

696
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: nice to see do you feel, you know, as a

697
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: golf fan, do you feel any lived PGA Tour divide

698
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: when you're looking at a board as so you're rooting

699
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: for who he might be rooting Forcus. Unlike the Masters,

700
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: which was very very much live versus sture, and the

701
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: PGA Championship to a slightly lesser degree but still was,

702
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: this one didn't have that feel at all. Now, part

703
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: of it so why the board shook out, but part

704
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: of it is just the news of last week.

705
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, that's completely mellowed out. I mean,

706
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: you know Cameron Smith, well you have he had the

707
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: low round of the day among the guys he went

708
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: out late. There was a couple early sixty five, you know,

709
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: for like John Rahm, the ultimate back door top ten,

710
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 3: but Cameron Smith was the hottest guy on the course

711
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: when it really mattered. But he ran out of holes.

712
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: But he looked great. You know he's gonna wind up.

713
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 3: This is fourth and Dustin. Every time they showed Dustin,

714
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 3: he was hitting it to six feet missing the putt.

715
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 3: Like I'd like to see his putting stats this week

716
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: because you know, he finished tied for tenth and I

717
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: it's gonna be one of the worst punt performances of

718
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: his career from what I saw, So they were there,

719
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 3: they're in the mix. But yeah, I feel like that

720
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: that subplot has has completely mellowed out, even though it

721
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: remains very unsettled what next year is going to look

722
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: like in golf. There's been a lot of speculation lation

723
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 3: Jimmy Dunn has fueled it. You know that jay Monhan

724
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 3: is going to shut down Live Golf, Like, I don't

725
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: believe that for a second. I don't think he has

726
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: that power. It's going to be Yoaster's decision. But because

727
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: of the anti trust reasons, because of the contracts that

728
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: all the commitments they've made, I feel very certain they'll

729
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: be Live Golf in twenty twenty four. After that, they'll

730
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: reassess it. But so you know, yeah, there still will

731
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: be a divide in the game, whether whether they can

732
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 3: make peace and get and the live guys can take

733
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: sponsors exemptions and play certain number of events on the tour.

734
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: Like how that's going to shake out. I mean, I

735
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: think there will be some cross pollination, but there will

736
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 3: still be a separation, but it won't be as bitchy.

737
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: And we kind of know that there'll be a reapproachment

738
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: at some point. So it feels like this just gonna

739
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: be a transitional year and then we'll see how it

740
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: all plays out. So yeah, I didn't feel the energy

741
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: at all.

742
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, uh you remember what a big fuss it was.

743
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: Well at the Masters, absolutely for sure, the whole quote

744
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: golf establishment was praying that John Rahm will get to

745
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: the house and and Brooks Kopka would not and fill

746
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: they're completely dismissive of At the PGA, you know, Kopka

747
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: was so powerful, he's a powerful presence. He's hard to dismiss.

748
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: But there was still the whole thing when Seth Watt

749
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: didn't shake his hand. And Seth can say what he

750
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: wanted to say, and he did, but the fact is

751
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: he didn't shake his hand. You know what I'm talking about.

752
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: I know you're talking about. I mean supposedly that was

753
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 3: not their first go around on the photo then, and

754
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: I think what I heard with Seth and are taking

755
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 3: a photo with him? He got what You're right, but

756
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: that just became a story whether it was one or not.

757
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: And but you know the difference also is Phil we

758
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: know has been such a muckraker and Patrick Reed, who

759
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: was also in contention at the Masters, Like those are

760
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: worst case scenarios. Brooks is always throughout this whole thing,

761
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: is displayed very little interest in mixing it up. And

762
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: he wasn't part of the lawsuits. He hasn't He hasn't been,

763
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: you know, part of the sniping on social media, so

764
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: he's hive been dust in a state above the fray

765
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: and Cam Smith too.

766
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Did you make any eye contact with Phil Mickelson this week?

767
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: I did not.

768
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: Do you kind of try to avoid it so you

769
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: don't feel like you're maybe getting in his face where

770
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: he may not want it, or what's your attitude about that?

771
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 3: Yeah? I ever since that thing happened in London where

772
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: I got bounced out as Prescote, I'm trying to give

773
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: him a wide berth because I don't want people to

774
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: think that I'm like trying to insert myself into his

775
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: business or trying to make it myself the story I did.

776
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 3: I didn't try and ask him a few questions and

777
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: live Mexico at the start of this year because I

778
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 3: really needed to fact check something with him for the book,

779
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: and he somewhat brusquely declined.

780
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: And that's in a group setting or when I got him.

781
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: Walking off the driving range, just him and I.

782
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: What a weird one of the weirdest years in golf

783
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: when you think about where he was a year ago,

784
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: with that odd press conference before the tournament and then

785
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: some really pretty mediocre play and then a stunning round

786
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: of golf Sunday at the Masters, and then I truly

787
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: now I'm wrong. Often I truly thought he'd come here

788
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: and content. I really really did. Knows the course well,

789
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: knows the grasses, been around here, a lot a.

790
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: Lot of short game action on this course. Yeah, I

791
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: think he did play horribly. He missed the cut by one,

792
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: but it was just and yeah, it was disappointing. I mean,

793
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: I I don't know. The Masters is the most predictable

794
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: tournament of the year. Probably going to play well, you

795
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: still got to do it. But Phil is dangerous there

796
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: in perpetuity. But getting his game to travel it just

797
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: hasn't happened since Kiowa. So I remember, we're now going

798
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 3: on two years since he really made a run anywhere

799
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: other than Augusta.

800
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: That's that wasn't a run. That was freakishly making four

801
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: birdies at.

802
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 3: The end of the day. Yeah, I don't know. It's

803
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: it's the mystery of golf. Why do people play well

804
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 3: when they do and they don't? I mean, how many

805
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: people on planet Earth picked Wyndam Clark this year. You know,

806
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: I'm staying you met my aunt Harriet. I'm staying with

807
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: her and her boyfriend, Myron, who loves golf, and every

808
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 3: night he's asking who do you think's going to win?

809
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 3: And he's he's got a bookie, he's placing bets and

810
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 3: he's doing all this stuff. And no one mentioned Wyndam Clark.

811
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: I didn't. He didn't, You didn't nobody, But shout out

812
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: to Michael Bamber, who did predict the winning score of

813
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 3: ten under at the start of the week.

814
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: I did predict the winning score of ten under. I

815
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: did not even consider Wyndom Clark. By Saturday night. I

816
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: did think. I thought it would be Wyndam Clark and

817
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: Scottie Shuffer necking it out, neck and neck.

818
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: The most impressive part of his whole package as a

819
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: golfer is the grit. He is so gritty. I mean,

820
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: some of those saves, that that bogie he saved, you

821
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: know on the par five on the front nine, number

822
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: number eight, like that was that was a US Open bogie.

823
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: It looked like he was going to make a triple.

824
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 3: He sneaked out of there with a six and that

825
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: that was probably the key moment of the final round

826
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: and some superb up and downs. I mean when he

827
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: leaves that, when he leaves that approach on eighteen so short,

828
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: that amphitheater let The crowds were down eighteenth fairly. There's

829
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: a lot of energy, there's a lot of commotion. It's

830
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: like you and I both thought he's gonna have to

831
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: make a five foot or to win the US Open,

832
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 3: and he knocked up their stone dead like just gritty,

833
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: gritty performance.

834
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: I wonder with that super heavy long grip that he's

835
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: got on the putter, I wonder what that's like to

836
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: I have just I don't know. I mean, I've never

837
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: used one. I kind of tried one. I just think

838
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to hit it hard enough when when you're nervous.

839
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: It's just hard to hit it hard enough when you're nervous.

840
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I did expect I thought that would come

841
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: up five feet short.

842
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it was great, but it was a great

843
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 3: But then he didn't waste any time knocking the wead

844
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: the game winner, like, which is smart. Its probably the

845
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: right thing to do. But like it was, people have

846
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: missed two foot putts before and it was it was cool.

847
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I really I do feel like a star

848
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 3: was born. We started we said that at the top

849
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 3: of the telecast the podcast we getting We're got heckled

850
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: by KVVS.

851
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like a star was born. I

852
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, we've identified a super talent and

853
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: I don't think he doesn't. His personality doesn't. Yeah, it

854
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he wants to be a star.

855
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: Just same question. I mean, can you become a startist

856
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Speaker 3: by winning a lot of golf turns?

857
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Speaker 1: Or is there some other I mean, Scottie Shuffer a

858
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: superstar of any sort? You know, do you think he

859
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: goes into a mall? If guys say I don't, he'll say,

860
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: hia talent plus charisma, Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean.

861
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Speaker 1: Now Ricky is the other side of the thing. He

862
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Speaker 1: has charisma. Now, the resume is sort of a superstar,

863
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Speaker 1: and he was in all those ads, but he doesn't

864
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: have the you know he's got. Now this Wyndham Clark's

865
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: got one more major than he does. What about what

866
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: about John Rahm. Like John Ram, I think has has

867
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Speaker 1: has presence.

868
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Speaker 4: He has presidence. I don't know if he has charisma. Yeah,

869
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 4: but he's got GRAVI tos, He's got gravitarres. You know

870
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 4: a word I'm sure he uses all the time. One

871
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: of the agents told me today. One of the Spanish

872
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 4: agents told me this week that his English is better

873
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: than his Spanish. I mean that is really hard to do.

874
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: English a hard language to pick up the idiomatic nature

875
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: of beautiful.

876
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: He speaks beautifully.

877
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Speaker 1: He's got a huge president.

878
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean Cam Smith not a star, incredible golfer,

879
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: not a star, Roy McElroy star, but he flawed golfer.

880
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: He's just flawed. Yep.

881
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: Uh, Sander Schoffley no, Dustin Johnson yes, Harris English no, Rickyes,

882
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: Fleetwood yes, but he needs to do something.

883
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean everyone loves Fleetwood and I mean,

884
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 3: you shoot sixty three today to finish fifth. It's vintage Tommy.

885
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: You know what was lost? I think Tommy hasn't won

886
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: in three years anywhere in the world. Can you believe that? No?

887
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: I really can't with his iron play, I really can't

888
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: go hits it whole high.

889
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 3: That's what's so fascinating about tournament golf as theater? Like

890
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: all these guys look at on the rains, most of

891
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: them looking on the practice putting green. But can you

892
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: do it on Sunday with the world watching? That's the

893
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: ultimate question. And today Wyndam Clark did and no one else.

894
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: See a Ricky Fowler top fiving here. That doesn't he

895
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: didn't play his way into the Masters. That's a shame

896
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: for him. In other words, had he gotten up and

897
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: down on eighteen to play his way into the Mastery.

898
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: Hell, I mean he'll be he was already what forty

899
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: fourth coming Oh world ranking, he's good. Say he's got,

900
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: he's got. He gets the Tour Championship. Like, there's a

901
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: lot of ways to do it, but you're right, that

902
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 3: would have been an easy one, just check the box.

903
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are the little games in the game.

904
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: It also makes it all the more impressive for him

905
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 3: that he stuck around like that because there was a

906
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 3: number of disappointments.

907
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Butcher's uh had an incredible impact

908
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: on so many golfers tried to there was a vote

909
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: to get him in the Hall of Fame this year.

910
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: I think he missed by one vote from what I've heard,

911
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: and uh, it would have been sort of I think

912
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: made a no brainer. Had he had he taken Ricky

913
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: Vallor from the depths of where he was and helped

914
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: get helped him make make him a US Open winner,

915
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: that would have been a path. Who knows if it's

916
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: meaningful to Butcher not if I've heard that it's quite

917
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: meaningful to him. Uh, to the Hall of Fame. So anyway,

918
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: as you say, there's always there's so many things, and

919
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: that's the pleasure being a reporter in this game. There's

920
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: so many layers and layers and layers of things going

921
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: on that we don't know.

922
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: I never knew.

923
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: I did ever know anything about Wyndam Clark's mother passing

924
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: away years ago and the heartache of that. I did

925
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: not know that story at all until this week.

926
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's that I had picked up on it.

927
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 3: I guess around when when he went at Charlotte And

928
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: but yeah, he's and you know it's Father's Day, Like

929
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 3: how sweet is that? I'm sure it's it's always any

930
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 3: holiday when you've lost someone is emotional. I'm sure that

931
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: adds an extra layer for that family. And good for them,

932
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: like you got to be happy for them. So well,

933
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: it was not it was not a transcendent US Open,

934
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: but it was a very interesting one. I'm glad we

935
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: got to share it. Michael, Yeah, I am too. And

936
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Speaker 3: it's always it's always fun to talk about this. Sing

937
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Speaker 3: Sunday night, all you folks out there, thanks for going

938
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Speaker 3: on this journey with us. We will we'll see how

939
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: many fire drills are are in store. We have one

940
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: more major.

941
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

942
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: We like to keep people guessing when the next one

943
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: will be. But there's always another fire drill.

944
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: So sometimes we say and we're not correct, so probably

945
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: better not to say, and.

946
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Speaker 3: That now that correct. I do want to tip our

947
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953
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Speaker 3: Dormy for their continued support. Michael, it is a pleasure. Ohways,

957
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Speaker 3: And for Michael Bamberg, this is Alan Chipnik. That was

958
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Speaker 3: another fire drill. This is the end.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben Big, played.

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Speaker 2: The wind, made a fortune with my ship. Game man.

961
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: I ran the table and never thought I could fall

962
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: down the wind and hit me lack a can in

963
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: the ball. And now I can't shake this losing streak.

964
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: Every road I take is a dead hand street. I

965
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: got thoughts in my head, can't get them out, trying

966
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Speaker 2: not to think what I'm thinking about. I got thoughts

967
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Speaker 2: in my head, can't get them out, trying not to

968
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Speaker 2: think what I'm thinking about.