1 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, what is up? 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Guilty of Charge Podcast presented by Any 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen, I'm the host 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 2: as always, and joining me is my guy Tyler. 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: Tyler, what'supman? How are you doing today? 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: Stoke man? We've got a great interview for you guys, 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 3: probably my favorite one that we've done on this channel 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: so far. Just a very candid, spectacular interview. 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: That's next, Yes, it is next. 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 2: We are joined by the wonderful Chris rim of ESPN. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 2: He was a late addition to the beat for the 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Chargers this season. We had a great time at picking 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: his brain about, you know, adjusting from Baltimore to the 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Chargers and everything that kind of went through this season 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: and his experience covering it, moving to a new team, 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: all that good stuff. Had a great conversation with him, 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: Hopefully you guys enjoy it. Obviously we get to, you know, 18 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: cover the Chargers head coaching search as well as the 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: GM search, and he had some great insight on both 20 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: of those fronts. Tyler, did you have any takeaways without 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: spoiling from our interview with Chris. 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: Just the process of being a reporter and then of 23 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: course weighing experience versus being a first time head coach. 24 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 3: I think those two things I think you guys should 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: keep a eye on when you listen to this interview. 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely agree there. If you are a pro 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Harbaugh person, I think you'll be very happy with what 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 2: Chris has to say as well. That being said, Tyler 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: and I are fans with the team just like you 30 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: guys are. We've been given this platform and are very 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: grateful for it. But the opinions that we share on 32 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: this platform are hours and hours alone. They do not 33 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: always reflect the opinions of the Chargers organization themselves. At 34 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: the end of the day, we are content creators and 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 2: we create content and have a great time doing it. So, 36 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: like I said, very excited for this one. The interview 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: did go a bit longer than usual. Sometimes we go 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: back and forth about, you know, coming doing a post takeaway, 39 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: so this is just going to be the interview. So again, 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: cannot think Chris enough for joining us, and hopefully you 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: guys enjoy the interview, and that being said, we'll see 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: you next week as always. 43 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: Bolt up. 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: All right, guys, very happy now to be joined by 45 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: mister Chris rim of ESPN a new edition and a 46 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: great addition I might add to the Chargers Beat this year. 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: So Chris, thanks so much for taking the time to 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: join us today. Man, how you doing good? 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 4: Good? Appreciate you having me on. 50 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're all very excited you were, like I mentioned, sincerely, 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: a great addition to the Chargers Beat, and we've loved 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: reading your articles and so well, we're gonna pick Chris's 53 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: brain about kind of the post mortem of the twenty 54 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: twenty three season. W also, you know, ask him about 55 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: some of the you know, opinions of the coaching and 56 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 2: GM searches that are going on right now. And I'm 57 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: really excited to dive in here. So Chris, first and foremost, 58 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of talk right now about 59 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: you know, the Baltimore Ravens and pulling from the Baltimore Ravens. 60 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: You obviously, you know, used to cover the Baltimore Ravens 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: as well, So I want to ask you first and 62 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 2: for almost what was your mindset coming from Baltimore to 63 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: start covering the Chargers. How'd you kind of go about, 64 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: you know the whole process of making that adjustment and 65 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: what was kind of your goal? 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Uh? You know on the Chargers beat. 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think leaving Baltimore coming to the Chargers, 68 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 5: the goal is to just you know, get through the 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: season and get to know, you know, every player on 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 5: the team, to be honest, like you know whose number, 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 5: you know whatever, whatever player's number is, you know, figuring 72 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: who that is because I could tell you, you know, 73 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 5: when I left Baltimore, I could tell you you know, 74 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: everybody's you know, name number, where they're from, you know. 75 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 5: So but that was because I was there from training camp. 76 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 5: So imagine, you know, it's week three and I don't, 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 5: you know, I never I don't never really watching the Chargers. 78 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 5: You know, I know the stars, right, but I don't 79 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 5: know you know, the fifty third guy or you know, 80 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 5: seventieth guys. So that was really the biggest thing is 81 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: just getting through the year, writing good stuff, writing good 82 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 5: you know stories, and yeah, that was that was really 83 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 5: the biggest goal. And transition. 84 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 3: How does it work for you when you're covering a 85 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: team that a lot of expectations, right, I think they're 86 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: going to do well, going to make the postseason, all 87 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: sorts of stuff. You know, we should be watching them 88 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: this week or last weekend. What's it like when that 89 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: team starts to clearly not be headed in that direction, 90 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: how do you manage expectations, maybe even the fans that 91 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 3: are reading your content, how do you manage that as 92 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: you start to see the charges maybe not headed towards 93 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 3: the postseason, but you don't want to outright just say 94 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: as seasons over, let's let's hang it up. 95 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 5: It will well when when uh, when that happens, every 96 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 5: everything gets tense, everything gets everyone. You know, maybe people 97 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: who are who were nice are so nice anymore. Maybe 98 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 5: you know the maybe a guy who always talks isn't 99 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 5: talking anymore, you know the And then you have to 100 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 5: have a balance between you know, what question do I 101 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 5: want to ask that I need I need to write 102 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: for my story. That's you know, my boss wants me 103 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 5: to ask and you know, I know that this question 104 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 5: is going to piss off the person that I'm asking 105 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 5: it to because of how tense it is. 106 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: So that's that's what it is. 107 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: When the season, when the season goes downhill and you're 108 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 5: a team that it's expected not to go downhill, and 109 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 5: you're in year three and you know that your job 110 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 5: is on the line, not only from coaches, but you 111 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: know everyone in the organization, right, a player coach, you know, 112 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 5: they know what's a stake, just as we know what's 113 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 5: a stake, right, And you know you're asking a person 114 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 5: with a family with you know, these questions that are tough, 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 5: and you know from their vantage point, you know, can 116 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 5: seem unfair at times, can you know, you know, at 117 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 5: the at the basic level, hurts your feelings. So when 118 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: things are just tense, it's just super tense. You know, 119 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 5: it's not a it's it's it's like the you know 120 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 5: the nature of the job though, but it's tense. 121 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 2: I think, especially you know, coming from a place that 122 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: has had the same coach for a very long time 123 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: to dealing with, you know, the coach on the hot 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 2: seat kind of mentality. I would imagine that would be 125 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: kind of a tough adjustment as you're like, you know, 126 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: you're trying to figure everything out, and then also you're like, hey, 127 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: like I've got to cover a coach who might be 128 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: out of a job here in a few weeks. 129 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, well you got to imagine too, Like it's the 130 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 5: difficult part about when I came in was I came 131 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: in after the Chargers had just began the season zero 132 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 5: and two, after blowing a twenty seven point lead in 133 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 5: the playoffs. Like there's no there's no grace period for 134 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 5: me to get on the beat and you know, hey, 135 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 5: you know, what. 136 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 4: Are you guys expecting this year? You know what? You know? 137 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 4: Like how you know what I mean? Like, there's no 138 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 4: there's no period. 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 5: For me to get on the beat and just start asking, 140 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 5: you know, stuff to uh, you know ingratiate myself in 141 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 5: like a comfortable way get to know people. It's just boom, 142 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 5: you know, you guys are beating expectations. You know, so 143 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: that I think that's difficult because you know, it's it's 144 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 5: it's like, you know, who is this guy? For one, 145 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 5: and then it's but it's also like you know, understanding 146 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 5: that that's my job, right and you know you gotta 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 5: do what you gotta do. 148 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: Well, Clearly, even though things were very difficult, you were 149 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: able to talk to players and you're able to maintain 150 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: relationships or even just keep you find a relationship with 151 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: those players in a very short amount of time to 152 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 3: the point where you're able to write. But I think 153 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: was the article that I think most people will remember 154 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 3: your season at least this season four, which is that 155 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: I'm the most recent one, but the big one at 156 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: the end there why a disconnected Chargers team was Brandon 157 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: Staley's downfall. Walk me through the process of collecting that information, 158 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: and even sort of like you've already talked about just 159 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: having to be careful with asking certain questions and and 160 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: you know, certain players and that sort of thing. 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think. 162 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 5: Again, but things are tense when things are are going well, 163 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 5: When the screws are getting tightened, people start talking, you know. 164 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 5: I think the I think the key thing with that 165 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 5: article to point out too is that it's interesting is like, 166 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 5: you know, his his entire Brandon to tenure, right, like, 167 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 5: and I said it at the beginning, but like they 168 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 5: were so close to they were as close to success 169 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 5: as they were to disaster for three years, right, I 170 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 5: mean the third year it went off the rails. But 171 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 5: you know how many one score I don't have the stats, 172 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 5: but how many one score games did they lose? 173 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: Right? You know? So it's like, for for all. 174 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 5: That was reported, the disconnect, the whatever it may be, right, 175 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of disc not not saying it 176 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 5: didn't matter. 177 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 4: Because it doesn't matter. That's why I reported it. 178 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: But there are disconnected teams that win, and and this 179 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 5: this team was close to winning, right and I think 180 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 5: some of that disconnect could have led to while they win. 181 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: And that's kind of what I was trying to point 182 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 5: out why this season went the way it did. From 183 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 5: you know, the they're you know, a team that's going 184 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 5: nine and eight or you know, ten and seven to 185 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: what we saw this year is five and twelve. Right, 186 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 5: that's that doesn't make any sense. So I think for 187 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:14,119 Speaker 5: me coming into the locker room or coming into the organization, 188 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 5: you know, it's a I think you know, I'm a 189 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: younger guy a lot a lot of the people around there. 190 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 5: You know, we listen to the same stuff. We talk 191 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 5: the same way. You might have grown up the same way. 192 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 5: You know, I'm from Philly. You know, if I'm from 193 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: Philly and you're from Brooklyn or you're from la or Detroit, 194 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 5: it's pretty much the same thing. So you know, we 195 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 5: talk about the same stuff. We we you know, get 196 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 5: along with each other. 197 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: And then. 198 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 5: They trust me to they trust me and tell me 199 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 5: things that I don't say, and then they give me 200 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 5: the okay to go with things that they're comfortable with 201 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: me going with. You know what I mean, so it's 202 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 5: you know, ninety percent, you know, probably ten percent of 203 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 5: the stuff that people ever read is like, as I say, 204 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 5: all the stuff that people read is like ten percent 205 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 5: of what I know. And I think that goes for 206 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 5: like every reporter or what I have, right because again, 207 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 5: you've got to weigh that balance of what you're doing, 208 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: what bridges you're going to burn, you know, the risk 209 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 5: and the value assess, but also if people are just 210 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 5: comfortable saying stuff. So that's what I'll say, that story 211 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 5: came together. Does that answers the question? 212 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that definitely does. I think, you know, 213 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: there's obviously a lot of you know, fresh feelings and 214 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: fresh thoughts about the way things ended from a negativity standpoint, 215 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: and obviously you know the charges are are where they 216 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: are right now because of the way the season unfolded. 217 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: But did you have kind of a more positive highlight 218 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: of the year for you? 219 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: You moved to a new city. 220 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 2: You know, Khalil Mack, you know right away your first 221 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: game has a six sac performance. Did you have a 222 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: moment or a story this season that was kind of 223 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: on the more positive side? You know, when you look 224 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: back and reflect on the season, that you can be 225 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: you know, really happy about you know, being able to 226 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 2: have that kind of connection to the story. 227 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that. 228 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 5: The a positive that I'll point to is at least 229 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 5: in one story. It wasn't like a story that took 230 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 5: me a lot of time, but I put a lot 231 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 5: of stuff in. But the I sware a story about 232 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: Gift and how you kind of went over to the locker 233 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 5: room and like two weeks and I don't know, I 234 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: don't know why I like that story so much, but 235 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 5: I which is funny because the originally there was the 236 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 5: wrong cover photo for the story. It was the former 237 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: quarterbacks coach, so that was crazy. But I yeah, I 238 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 5: just I think that the when Gift took over, it 239 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 5: was like you you couldn't interview a player and ask 240 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: a player about Gift and them not start smiling. 241 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: Like it was the weird like it's the weirdest thing ever, 242 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 4: Like it's not. 243 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 5: It wasn't like, you know, there are coaches where guys dislike, 244 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 5: and then there are coaches that guys like. But then 245 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 5: there's like I think Gift and Ryan Ficken are the 246 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 5: guys who if you ask a player a gift or fit, 247 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 5: they're like smiling like it's not like they're like, Yo, 248 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 5: that guy's a good dude. It's like like as soon 249 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 5: as you could Drman was at the podium and he 250 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 5: and he was talking about something. I think I think 251 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 5: someone must have asked a question because it was the 252 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 5: game when he played, start the entire game. So so 253 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 5: we're asking about that, and he's obviously you know, you know, 254 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 5: he's not smiling about answering those questions. And then the 255 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 5: next question was about Gift and he's heir to ear 256 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 5: like Khalo Austin like ALOHI like, you know, So I 257 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 5: think that that story was cool to write because I 258 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 5: was just surprised. 259 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: I had never seen. 260 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 5: People just talking about a coach like that and smiling 261 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: like in the way like that people were, so they 262 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 5: clearly liked him a lot. 263 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Giftsmith, I mean doing with the team through three 264 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: head coaches, three different stadiums, two different cities, Been there, 265 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: done that, and there's a lot of these guys. What 266 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: was that period, like how did you find out obviously 267 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: about the switch? And then what was that like that 268 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: first twenty four or forty eight hours, like for you 269 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: the Beat writers, the locker room et cetera. 270 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, not not saying any reporting, 271 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 5: but I think we all knew. You know, I had 272 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 5: my story pre written, I had, you know, all this 273 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 5: stuff ready to go. You know, I didn't I didn't 274 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 5: know who was going to be the interim head coach. 275 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: I thought it might be Thicking, but give Give surprised me, 276 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 5: uh that he was the interim just because he wasn't 277 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 5: something to someone I was thinking of, thinking it might 278 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 5: be Thick or you know, maybe Kellen or something or 279 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: something like that. But you know, I think, well, firstly, 280 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 5: just the period of give, I think the the organization 281 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 5: made the right choice. Like I think he was the 282 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 5: right person for the moment, Like for the moment he 283 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 5: was great, even though he didn't win. I thought that 284 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 5: was the right person to like galvanize this group, right, 285 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 5: Like it kind of feels like like a Friday Night 286 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 5: Lights type of coach, like the Southern draw, like the 287 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 5: like he was the complete opposite of his predis. Like 288 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 5: it was like, you know, you know, you know, Brandon 289 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 5: will give you these detailed you know, super you know, 290 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: you know, you know, long winded answers, good good though, 291 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: like you know, deep into football and lean into analytics, 292 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 5: and he felt very like a like some type of 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 5: twenty thirty car or something, whereas Gift is like that 294 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 5: old nineteen fifties like he's you know, he's making Joe. 295 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 5: He's gonna rhyme, he's gonna tell you, I don't I 296 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 5: don't know, Like if you ask him about the medical stuff, 297 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: I'm not a doctor, you know, he just he's just 298 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 5: that kind of dude. But the twenty four hours after, 299 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: I think, you know, you're trying to decide when you 300 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 5: want to go to sleep or how you're going to 301 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 5: go to sleep. You know, you're you have to catch 302 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 5: a flight back to la and you know something's going 303 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 5: to happen. So it's like the news broke and I'm 304 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 5: my uber is coming to the hotel to pick me up, 305 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 5: you know, and I have stuff you rent, but I 306 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: still have to update some things, you know, do this 307 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 5: and that, and editors calling me. So I think Jeff 308 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 5: Miller was on the highway, you know, I think everybody think, 309 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 5: you know, Pop might have been in the air. So 310 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 5: every you know, everybody's somewhere when it's happening. 311 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 4: But you just got to figure it out. 312 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: You know, buy the plane, WI fi or you know, 313 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 5: tell the uber my bad, I need a couple more 314 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: minutes or. 315 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 4: So. Yeah, that was that was what it was like 316 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: for for twenty four. 317 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 5: For the twenty four to forty eight, it was just 318 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 5: trying to figure out, Yeah, it was trying to figure 319 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 5: out where I was going to be when the news broke, 320 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 5: trying to figure out who who else. 321 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 4: Is going to be retained, who's going to be let go? 322 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 5: And uh, trying to come up with candidates and figure 323 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: out the next steps and put together the story I've 324 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 5: been I've been working on. 325 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: That's uh, yeah, tell the uber to wait for a 326 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: minute as to run high. 327 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Shifting gears here for a little bit. 328 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: I think, you know, the Chargers obviously in a GM 329 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: search and a coaching search, and they're gonna have some 330 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: tough decisions with the you know, the big four so 331 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: to speak of of Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Keenan Out 332 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: and Mike Williams. 333 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of that? 334 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: Because there's a lot of you know, a hell sentiments 335 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: out there that the charters are are you know, just 336 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: in a really you know, status of a cap sheet 337 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: that is not conducive towards like hiring it a great 338 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: GM candidate in the future. Is all bleak and everything 339 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: like that in terms of the Big Four, like what 340 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: do you make of their situations and and how would 341 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: you think that the charters could kind of go forward 342 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: in a positive manner with the Big Four in their contracts? 343 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I don't know if it's I don't think 344 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: it's as bad as people who describe it. Like I 345 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 5: was in Atlanta a few years ago when when Terry 346 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 5: and Terry Foineau and Arthur Smith took over, and that was. 347 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 4: Like cap hell. 348 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 5: I think they were I don't know, it had to 349 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 5: be close to fifty million when they took it, like 350 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 5: they like this was there. This season was their first 351 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 5: year clearing the cap hell that they were in. 352 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 4: That's how bad it was. 353 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 5: And I don't I don't think this team is in 354 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 5: that situation. I think there are clear steps that GM 355 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 5: can take to fix the roster in a sense right 356 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: to you know, get out of that cap you know 357 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 5: how quickly, And a lot of it starts with the 358 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 5: with the Big Four. I think the challenge again like 359 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 5: that these are people, uh you know again like that, 360 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 5: that's that's the first challenge, right, Like it's easy to say, like, 361 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 5: you know, we'll just cut this person and looking at 362 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 5: it as numbers, But I do. I do think that 363 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 5: personnel and teams when you're when you're doing a not 364 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 5: a rebuild at all, but you know next year is 365 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: going to be a new version of the Chargers and 366 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 5: in this GM's vision, you know, for the first time 367 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 5: in the you know, eleven seasons, it'll be a different 368 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 5: GM you know it's vision, and the first time in 369 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 5: three seasons a different coaches vision. And how much of 370 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 5: that vision you know, and instilling it and instilling the 371 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 5: cultures that you want to build. Do you need those 372 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 5: vets or those guys in the locker room who have 373 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 5: been there and to to help you, you know, get 374 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 5: what you want to get built? And so in making 375 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 5: those decisions, I think, specifically with a guy like Keenan 376 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 5: and you know, even Khalil, I think that's when it 377 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 5: becomes tough with them, Uh, specifically because keene has been 378 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 5: here forever. He knows what he's you know, Philip rivers 379 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 5: to Herbert and he's publicly said, I don't want to 380 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 5: go anywhere you know, he's you know, he just had 381 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 5: the year of his career. And I think that when 382 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 5: you have a guy that good, who's been here that long, 383 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: who's saying I want to be here, you know, you 384 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 5: you you figure out a way to make it work 385 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 5: with a guy like that. I think Khalil, you know, 386 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: the way he spoke, you know, in the end of 387 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: the season pressure, it kind of sounded like he was 388 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 5: he was leaving it up into the new GM's hand. 389 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 5: But he was also you know, talking about I want 390 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 5: to win a super Bowl, and you know, he kind 391 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 5: of didn't answer the question about if he still believes 392 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 5: he can do that here I can you know, I 393 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 5: could see him the team, you know, wanting to send 394 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 5: them to a you know, a team maybe in a 395 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 5: that that they believe is better positioned to contend next 396 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 5: year and when a super Bowl. So I could see 397 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 5: that happening. But he's also a guy that organized team 398 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 5: dinners that that you know, when he walks in the 399 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 5: locker room, everybody's like, you know, this is the guy, right, 400 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 5: Everybody respects him. 401 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 4: He's a clear, you know, clear leader. 402 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 5: Right talking about some of the most respected guys, I 403 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 5: think Kalel and Keenan or you know, one and two 404 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 5: or you know, Justin's up there too, and Durwin's up 405 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 5: there too, But whoever you want to, you know, put 406 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 5: in that top four, they're there. So those two I 407 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: would say, you know, especially the way they played last year, 408 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 5: you're in a unique situation. 409 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 4: Might be able to trade whatever. 410 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 5: I think Mike and Joey. With the injuries the past 411 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 5: season for Joey and then this year with Mike and 412 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: their and their cap hits, I think, you know, a 413 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 5: GM will have to make a decision, you know, do 414 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 5: you want to restructure a deal again and push money 415 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 5: down down the road or do you want to you know, 416 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 5: maybe you know, send these guys out. But again it's 417 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 5: that that element that they both have been here. But 418 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 5: that's why I see it. I think if I was 419 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 5: I think a GM would split that group up into two. 420 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: And I think it'll be some tough decisions either way. 421 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 5: I just I just don't like the like ultimatums, like 422 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 5: what I would do, like I would cut someone or out, 423 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 5: you know, So that's like a running around the circle 424 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 5: way To answer. 425 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: Your question, No, that's perfect, and you've been very candid 426 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: with us so far, so please don't feel like you 427 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 3: have to share every single possible thing. 428 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: It's tough, you know. 429 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: And the tough part is that one you don't know 430 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: when the Chargers are going to be in contention again, 431 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: is it as soon as next year? If not, is 432 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: it twenty twenty five? And you'll have to ask the 433 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 3: gms that. And then with these players, you know Khalil Mack, 434 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, they have career years, great years. That also 435 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: means their value goes up. So if you're trying to 436 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: trade this player, you know, their value goes up. So 437 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: it's it's a very very tough situation. I certainly don't 438 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: end me the next GM, and the Chargers are looking 439 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: for a GM who's going to quote unquote reimagine what 440 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 3: it means to be a general manager and run a 441 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: team and do certain things. What do you feel that 442 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: could mean or even just what do you feel the 443 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 3: best gms are the ones that really innovate the process? 444 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: What could they do? 445 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: What are they looking for in these gms? 446 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 5: Do you think, yeah, that the word reimagined was yeah, 447 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 5: it was certainly a choice in the in the statement, 448 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 5: and I thieve John Spinos was asked about it, and 449 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 5: I think. 450 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 4: He just described it as just you know, this next phase. 451 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 5: Of the Chargers and uh, you know just a just 452 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 5: a new a new version of the team, right, But. 453 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, I guess in a new GM, I 454 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 4: think what you look for. 455 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 5: It's interesting I think with with hiring new people, because 456 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 5: you don't you don't know who's going to be good. 457 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 5: You know, you you can say that they are indicators 458 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 5: from a general manager level, you know who maybe who 459 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 5: you've scouted or who you've been around, right. I think 460 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 5: it's a lot of that, right, Like if you're if 461 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 5: you were within a radius of Sean McVay, like at 462 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 5: a certain point, like you might just you might just 463 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: get tapped, you know, if you're if you're you know, 464 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 5: if you've been around Howbie Roseman, if you've been around 465 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 5: certain certain guys, certain people, and that matters, right because 466 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 5: you know how they think, how the organization worked, and 467 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 5: you want to implement that winning into yours. So you know, 468 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 5: I think they're just looking for at the you know, 469 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 5: at the basic level, what everybody's looking for, right, Like 470 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 5: someone who can win, right, Like someone who can I 471 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: don't think there's. 472 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 4: Like a uh. 473 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 5: You know, Tom did a bunch of stuff wrong and 474 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 5: we're looking for a guy that does like these things well. Right, 475 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 5: it's just like, you know, we're just looking for the guy, right, 476 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 5: you know, we're just looking for a guy who's gonna 477 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 5: do it well. And I think you see the people 478 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: that they're interviewing, and they're from, you know, organization of 479 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 5: pedigree with winning, and I think that you know, that 480 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: shows that you know what they're looking for. 481 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: And you mentioned those previous organizations. A lot of GM 482 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: candidates this here do have ties to Harry Roseman and yeah, 483 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 2: the team you used to cover the Baltimore Ravens. 484 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: What do you think it is. 485 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: About that combination that teams could be looking for because honestly, 486 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: like you pull up any bio of all these candidates 487 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: and they worked for the Eagles, they worked for the Ravens. 488 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: What is it about those two organizations and the way 489 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: they operate that kind of cultivates this culture of building 490 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 2: future GM candidates? 491 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they they have a history of sticking 492 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 5: to what worked for them. You know, you you look 493 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: at the Eagles and that that's like a basically good answer. 494 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 5: But I think you look at the Eagles, right, look 495 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 5: at Howie Roseman's drafts, right, like he's going to draft 496 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 5: a D lineman or he's going to draft the O 497 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 5: lineman like nine times out of ten in the first 498 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 5: two round, and he's not drafting a linebacker in the 499 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 5: three rounds probably right. And if they do draft someone else, 500 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 5: like a receiver, they're probably they might miss, you know. 501 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: So so you know. 502 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: You look, you look at the Eagles and how they've won. 503 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 5: It's always at the line of scrimmage, and they've never 504 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 5: they've never changed that for the you know since before 505 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 5: Howie Right, it's uh, you know, there's Fletcher Cox, and 506 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 5: then they're drafting Jordan Davis, and there's Nolan Smith, and 507 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 5: then there's you know, Hardgrave and there's you look, back 508 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: and back and back. They've always done it that way. 509 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: Then with the Ravens, you know, you want these linebackers 510 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 5: and I want a physical cornerback and I'll figure out 511 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 5: the rest. You know that that's I think that's how 512 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 5: they've always been. And I think some of the best 513 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: organizations stick to to what's winning and what works best. 514 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 5: And that's the simplest way to answer it. 515 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fascinated because again new GM for the first 516 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 3: time in a very long time, So Chargers fans sort 517 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: of understood that there was a certain type maybe like 518 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 3: receiver or at edge Ushia where that's arm length or 519 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: forty or whatever it was, you know, but now it 520 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: who knows, who honestly knows what's going to happen as 521 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 3: far as switching to head coach. Now, Chargers fans are 522 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: very Jim Harbaugh or bust. I don't think that is 523 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: necessarily the case, but that's what Chargers fans seem to 524 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: be going for. But overall, how do you feel the 525 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: Chargers process has played out? Is there something you're keeping 526 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 3: an eye on? What has been your attention? What have 527 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: you been your attention been on so far throughout this 528 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 3: whole process? 529 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 5: Man, I think they've they've cast a super wide net, 530 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 5: you know. I think they're interviewing a lot of good candidates, 531 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 5: a lot of different different people. Maybe well, I guess 532 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: none that I guess really didn't expect. But I guess 533 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 5: like Legendy Fraser, you know, was a name. Maybe I 534 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 5: didn't know if you'd get interviewed here. But yeah, I 535 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 5: think the good part about interviewing is you can when 536 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 5: you cast a white net and you interview all these people, 537 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 5: you get to grab certain things from certain people, right 538 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 5: and put it in your back pocket. You know, you 539 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 5: get to you know, how do how does this thought 540 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: process work here? Or how did guys do this there? 541 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: And you know you can suggest that to your new people, right. 542 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 5: So I think that's important. And and again I'm not 543 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 5: big on criticizing who teams interview or who they don't interview, 544 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 5: because I've learned and I've been wrong. And you know, 545 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 5: my group chats with friends about some person that for 546 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 5: some reason, I was like, Oh, that's interesting that they're 547 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 5: interviewing this person, and then that person's a phenomenal head 548 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 5: coach or opening day press conference, you know, whether Jonathan 549 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 5: Gannon or. 550 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 4: I don't know. 551 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 5: We've seen these opening press conferences where they look kind 552 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 5: of wonky and. 553 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 4: You're like. 554 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 5: Campbell, yeah, Campbell, you know they they then they turn 555 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 5: out to be great. So whoever the Chargers interviewed, I 556 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 5: would have said it was good because because you can't say, 557 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 5: at least for me, I'm never gonna be like, what 558 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 5: has that person done to because I don't I've been 559 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 5: wrong too many times to say that. But I think 560 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: the people they've but with that being said, they've interviewed 561 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 5: all people who I believe if they hired any of 562 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 5: these people, I would say, okay, and I think that 563 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 5: goes you know, down the line, and I'll say that 564 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 5: that makes sense. And they started with the internal people, 565 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 5: which I think is the right thing to do. And yeah, 566 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 5: so I think they're going about. 567 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: It the right way. 568 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: Obviously the cycle is not over yet, but just like 569 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: my perspective is that I feel like there are more 570 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 2: interviews this time around, specifically of like the head coaching candidates. 571 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: It feels like they they said they were gonna cast 572 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: a why Nett and they've they've done that, and there's 573 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: obviously a group of candidates that they could still interview 574 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: later this week. You know, they have a point with 575 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: Dan Quinn and request with Ben Johnson Orrahie Morris that 576 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 2: are still kind of you know, waiting out there. In 577 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: terms of Jim Harbaugh, what do you what do you 578 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: make of his chances of leaving, because obviously the fan 579 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 2: base is is very pro Harbor. Do you think that 580 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: you know, I know, Jeremy Fowler reported today that chances 581 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: are unlikely that he does return to Michigan. Are you 582 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: buying that or do you think that he could be 583 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: using leverage here to get a bigger payday at Michigan. 584 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I never met Jim or I don't. 585 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 5: I don't know him, but it doesn't seem like the 586 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 5: type of person who would like waste his time or 587 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: you know, like I you know, so I don't. I 588 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 5: don't see why he would take in an interview if 589 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 5: he did it, if he wasn't seriously considering it. 590 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: Of course, you know, there's there's the other way, you know, 591 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 4: he could be. 592 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 5: But I don't I think this legitimate, especially this last season, right, 593 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 5: you know, I think if you're the you know, in 594 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 5: his position, you might feel like I need to be 595 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 5: done with this college football thing for a little bit. 596 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 5: And I just one so you know, it's not like 597 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 5: I need to I have much to prove to anyone 598 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: except that I. 599 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: Can repeat maybe and there. 600 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 5: This situation is a is a great one, and that's 601 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: why the fans, that's why everyone has put this together 602 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 5: and and you know, manifesting it to happen. And yeah, 603 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 5: so I think you asked me, like, is the hardball 604 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 5: stuff really? You know, I think I think it is 605 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 5: for sure, and I think it makes a lot of sense. 606 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 5: And if if if the you know John Spanos told 607 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 5: the Beat when we talk to him, you know, we 608 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 5: have no limitations in salary or experience. You know, he 609 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 5: touched on that point. And the job market might change, 610 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 5: you know, their Dallas might open. I don't know what's 611 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 5: going on in Philly. You know, stuff might open. But 612 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 5: even if those open, I think this is one of 613 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 5: the better ones. So if if he wanted to come 614 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 5: to the Chargers and the Chargers are serious about you know, 615 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 5: not being limited to anything, then they should get them. 616 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 617 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: Well that'll excite fans, and hopefully it does happen for 618 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: a lot of fans who are very much so all in. 619 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 4: On this decision. 620 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a great spot, honestly, And I think 621 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: if you bringing Jim Harbaugh or any of these candidates 622 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 3: for an interview, just have like a cardboard cutout of 623 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert standing behind you and just like, yeah, I 624 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: don't know if your team can do that, but here's 625 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: a cardboard cutout of Justin Herbert. 626 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: It's a good pitch. 627 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, absolutely, that's all you need to cut out, 628 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 3: cardboard cut out in a blank check. 629 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: That's all you need. 630 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: The other debate outside of Harbor for a lot of 631 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: fans has been experienced versus a first time head coach, 632 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: and you know, obviously Vrabel's available, Belichick is available, but 633 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: there's also Ben Johnson. For every experienced coach, like let'd 634 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: say a McCarthy who did this past game, there's a 635 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: there is a Dan Campbell, there's a La Floor, there's 636 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: a Demico Ryans, et cetera. Where do you I don't 637 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: know if it's stand on the issue is the way 638 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: to say it, but what is your thoughts I guess 639 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 3: on versus one of these first time head coaches, particularly 640 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 3: obviously an offensive minded head coach like a Ben Johnson. 641 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it just depends on the experience. I 642 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 5: would say it depends what your track record is. I 643 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 5: think with with Jim or Hardball, at least you know 644 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 5: it's you know, the guy just wins, like you know 645 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 5: what I mean, Like like it's hard. 646 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 4: It's hard for you to It's hard for me. 647 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 5: I think it would be hard for anyone to say, like, 648 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 5: you know, you know, if you hire this guy, you 649 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 5: think you're going to win because he you know what 650 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 5: he's done every that's all he's done as as a coach, right, 651 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 5: and when. 652 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 4: You're talking about a first time guy, if. 653 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 5: You're putting up a hardball to you know, Ben Johnson 654 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 5: or whoever you know you like, right, it's you're comparing 655 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 5: guy who whatent forty four nineteen in the NFL, Guy 656 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 5: who went to the Super Bowl, turned around a Niners team, 657 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 5: guy turned around Michigan. Michigan just won the national championship. 658 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 5: It's it's hard to turn that down to imagine what 659 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 5: someone could do who hasn't done it in my in 660 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 5: my eyes, And I don't I don't know if that's 661 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 5: right or wrong, right, because you know, uh, Ben Johnson 662 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 5: could be I don't know, you know, Ben Sombardi or 663 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 5: somethwhere Don Shuley, right, Uh, he just needs a chance. 664 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 5: But this guy already had one and he's killed it everywhere. 665 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 5: So I think I'm of thee of the view vantage 666 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 5: point of I don't think you could say a blanket 667 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 5: experience is over a new coach. But when you're talking 668 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 5: about experience, at least in Hardball's case, I'll take it. 669 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 5: I think, uh, you know, for different coaches like McCarthy, 670 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 5: I think that's a different, different thing, right, Like his 671 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 5: experience it's been you know, he's fluctuated from bad to good. 672 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 5: It's been a lot of inconsistencies. You know, in that scenario, 673 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 5: I might go with a younger coach, but so so 674 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 5: I don't, I don't know, I don't. I don't think 675 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 5: it's a blanket statement of like automatically you go young 676 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 5: or automatically you go experience. 677 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: I think that's a totally fair assessment there. You know, 678 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: we we've had a lot. 679 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: Of conversations about you know, kind of maybe balancing like 680 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 2: the new, the next thing versus the thing that you know, 681 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: and I think that could apply to you know, the 682 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: GM search, the head coaching search. But either way, we're 683 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: excited to see. Obviously what comes should be an exciting 684 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: you know, next week or so for the Chargers, and 685 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: we're thrilled to you know, read how you cover this approach. So, Chris, 686 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: thanks so much for joining us today. Where can Chargers 687 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: fans go and find you? And maybe a sneak peak 688 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 2: of some upcoming stories that you might have. 689 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm on Twitter at Chris room one, k 690 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 5: R I s orr A, try m one and threads 691 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 5: if you're on there, Chris rim trying to get my 692 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 5: threads up a lot of followers on there, so. 693 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, that's me and moving forward. 694 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 5: You know, I was working on this thing about justin 695 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 5: how you're grown as leader this year, and then he 696 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 5: got hurt. So at some point I think I'll have 697 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 5: that coming. And then I got some other stuff that 698 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 5: they can I don't want to say, but yeah, we 699 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 5: got some stuff coming. 700 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: All right. 701 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it again. Thank you so 702 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 2: much for Janis joining us today. Charge fans cannot recommend 703 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 2: Chris's work enough. Please go follow him, show him some love. 704 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: He's been a great addition to the Beat and we 705 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: are very excited to visit with him later on. So Chris, 706 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 2: thanks so much. 707 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: A man. 708 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 4: We'll talk to you soon, Okay, thank you,