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Speaker 1: Well, Steve, thanks for being on, man.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the chance. Sorry it took so long and

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Speaker 1: Man, I've been last night.

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Speaker 3: I was actually trying to put together, like, how would

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Speaker 3: I if I were going to write a doctrinal statement

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Speaker 3: I come up with? Because you're you're all over the

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Speaker 3: place with so many projects, especially the last say three

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Speaker 3: or four years. So many projects. Hm, So let me

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Speaker 1: What I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: You can't I need I'm going to write this down

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't. You can't say. You can't say that

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Speaker 1: at Steve's core is a hunter.

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Speaker 3: You can't really say that because if you if you

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Speaker 3: run that out to its most logical conclusion, then some

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Speaker 3: things don't make sense. You can't say, at Steve's core,

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Speaker 3: he's like a a wild game enthusiast. You are, but

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Speaker 3: there's other things that, if it runs out to its

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Speaker 3: thinking about it, and I think you could I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's used. You can crack me from the wrong but

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Speaker 3: but I think at your core is a storyteller.

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Speaker 2: Mm yeah, I usually will say right, or an outdoorsman,

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Speaker 2: but sure, I like storyteller. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think when I think about you, there

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Speaker 3: And and who's he with. He's not, he's not with

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Speaker 3: on the scene, right, And I watched this the whole episode.

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Speaker 3: It's called Walking the Clouds. And you guys are you

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Speaker 3: guys are doll sheep hunting, which is the hardest of

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Speaker 3: you guys, you chase these sheep. Sometimes you see them,

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Speaker 1: You run out of time that the show ends and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I thought I watched the whole show and

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Speaker 2: Did you feel you didn't feel like you got ripped off?

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Speaker 3: No, that's the crazy thing I want to say. I

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Speaker 3: you just by running out the clock. Now, all you

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Speaker 3: into places like this could break your body. Knees give out,

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Speaker 4: That's a story till that's all sheep hunting right there.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

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Speaker 3: He's just been trained by the mindless hunting shows that

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Speaker 1: That's evident in the show Man. That's evident.

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Speaker 3: And and then your your storytelling though it's uh, I

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Speaker 1: Of the animals. It's always been that. And this is you.

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Speaker 2: No. I started out like I was a writer before anything,

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Speaker 2: Go in North America, Like I don't care if you

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00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: go back twenty thousand years. I remained comfortable in North

438
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: America talking about North America twenty thousand years ago, but

439
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be comfortable talking about Europe today. I don't

440
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: have any subject matter expertise, you know. So it's just

441
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,479
Speaker 2: like I like the American story, the American characters. It's huge,

442
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: it's a big subject. I just I will you know,

443
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 2: earlier I talked about writing a book about French food.

444
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: But when I wrote a book about French food, I

445
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: talked about French food as understood in America.

446
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: Sure, has there been a place that you've traveled in

447
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: North America that has surprised you or that you continually

448
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: think of as like the pinnacle of this is where

449
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 3: Steve has to go this one area.

450
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that most has blown me away is now,

451
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 2: Like I don't go a day in my household without

452
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: saying to my kids or my wife, I'm like, you know,

453
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: the Cajuns.

454
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 4: When I started hanging out, like, I don't know what

455
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: takes me so long? Louisiana was the last Louisiana.

456
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: Was the it was the last state. It was the

457
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: state I've never been to. So I've been to all

458
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: forty nine out of fifty states. Like an I count

459
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: like spending the night, not just on the airport, but

460
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: spending the night, okay, and had been there two the

461
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 2: first time I was going there.

462
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 4: We had made it as far as like we're going

463
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: from Memphis to.

464
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: Louisiana, made it as far as the delta in Mississippi close,

465
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: and they're like Adams, the big hurricane coming and we

466
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: sort of thought about it, decided not to go to

467
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: New Orleans and it was Hurricane Katrina. The guy. Then

468
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: we made another trip to go down there and had

469
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: another hurricane happen and didn't go, and it eventually made

470
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: it and and kind of fell in with hanging out

471
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,719
Speaker 2: with Cajun dudes, and I mean guys that like they

472
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 2: don't even know that they don't know the names for

473
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: ducks that we use. Like they still use the French

474
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: names for their ducks, right, they used the French names

475
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: for their fit inshore fish, you know, and they when

476
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: they're cooking stuff, they got a word. You're like, what

477
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, I can't like all the French words for

478
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: the food, French words for the ingredients like that. How

479
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 2: just impressive that culture is in the level of like

480
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: culture continuity and cultural identity, that that that the Cajuns

481
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: held on to.

482
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: And I say, the Accagians, you know, you know it

483
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: probably sound like some kind of uh like a like

484
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: an idiot.

485
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: Saying, like the occasions there's like this monolithic thing called

486
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: the Caagents, but it just it blew my mind, you

487
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: know that like the food, the language, the customs, and man.

488
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: I yeah, uh, if I had found out about that

489
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: world when I was eighteen, I probably would have tried

490
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: to like perfect a French accent and I would have

491
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: gone and tried to like slip in you know, we'll

492
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: join in, right.

493
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: I Mean, I love all of our Louisian listeners right now,

494
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: but I did not think that's where you're going up

495
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: there at that question anywhere in North Americaia.

496
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: Yea. That yeah, that like blew my mind, man, Like

497
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 2: I always heard about it, but like that's the thing

498
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: that's really shocked me, is uh just my love of

499
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: that of that little corner, you know, that corner of

500
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: the world.

501
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 5: Man.

502
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: And I've always been a northern guy. I've always lived

503
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 2: in the northern tier states, Montana, Michigan, like I've always

504
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: lived up North Washington, always touching Canada. You know.

505
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 3: I just want to tell everybody that's listening right now,

506
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: all the Louisiana people, this is a man who's been

507
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: dull shee putting, you know, at the top of Alaska

508
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: where you could see the whole world, and he's saying,

509
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 3: I like Louis Louisiana.

510
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: I like the Cajuns. Oh that's iggressive.

511
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: That's like you all that.

512
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 4: Food they got and all the words they got for

513
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: their ducks.

514
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: I love it. Man. Yeah, that's one of the coolest

515
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: things about talking to the Cajuns. I'll leave.

516
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 4: I won't talk about this all the time, I promise you.

517
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: But what's funny is like like having all the words

518
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: for knowing, all the French words for ducks, and the

519
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: French words for all the inshore fish, you know. And

520
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: what's funny is like if you get to the offshore

521
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: fish like in the golf, okay, you get out, you

522
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: can got wahoo, yellow tail, all these offshore fish, and

523
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 2: that'd be like, well, what's the French word for right,

524
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: like yellowfin? Tuna, Like what's the French word yellowfintuna And

525
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: they don't have any of those words.

526
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: And one of my buddies pointed.

527
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: Out to me, is like at that time, no one

528
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: knew that stuff was out there, Like twenty miles into

529
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: the golf you might have been on another You might

530
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: as well have been on another planet.

531
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true.

532
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: Like people were in it, Like people weren't aware that

533
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: twenty miles out there in the blue water were like.

534
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: Wow, and oh yeah, you know what I mean.

535
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: They were like redfish, trout right whatever. And it was

536
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: so so they never incorporated as close as it seems now,

537
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: as close as it seems now, it was never like

538
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: no one had a way to get out there.

539
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: You know, you were rowing, you were.

540
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: Paddling out there, so they don't have names. Yeah, it

541
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: was like it was.

542
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: Just it was there, but it wasn't there. It was there,

543
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: but like I said, it might as well have been

544
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: on another planet.

545
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: That's that's wild.

546
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,600
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562
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Speaker 3: you into hunting? Could you say that?

563
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Speaker 2: Yep?

564
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: Dad is your dad? Shall around my dad?

565
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh no, see no, see my dad he had me

566
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: in My dad would be one hundred one years old.

567
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: He had me in nineteen twenty four, Earth not had me?

568
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: What am I saying? He was born in nineteen twenty four,

569
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: fought World War Two, enlisted at seventeen.

570
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: Font World War Two.

571
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: It came home and was just a big hunter and fishermen.

572
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: So I was always brought up around hunting, fishing, and uh,

573
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: and you know he didn't trap.

574
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 4: He didn't he didn't trap, but I.

575
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: Got into trapping and he was very supportive of trapping,

576
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: and uh and.

577
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: He I got lucky with those guys.

578
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: I got lucky, like with my mom and dad in

579
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: a lot of ways. But one of the ways I

580
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: got lucky with them is they didn't you know, my

581
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: dad didn't finish high school right formally.

582
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: So for them, you know, when you meet people like

583
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: I've met a lot of.

584
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 2: People like this in my life, who's who they they

585
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: get a lot of family pressure to go into things

586
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: that maybe they don't want to go into, you know, occupationally.

587
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: And and I have kids, and we pressure our kids.

588
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 2: We don't pressure about what they do, but we pressure

589
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: them about their performance in school, right, We pressure them.

590
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: About how they treat their elders whatever. Like we pressure them.

591
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: But but for when I said, oh, yeah, I'm going

592
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: to be a trapper, it was kind of like, oh,

593
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: that's great. It's a good idea. And I'm like, oh,

594
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a writer. That's a great idea. Like

595
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: never had any sort of pushing in a in a

596
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: different direction. And for me, like because my dad was

597
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: a big outdoorsman. When I started getting a little success

598
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: writing about hunting and writing about fishing and writing about

599
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: the outdoors, he just thought that was great, you know.

600
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: He thought that was a great move. And the fact

601
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 2: that you had to live for many years below the

602
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: poverty level. I always point out to people that, like,

603
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: if you don't have if you're not married, you don't

604
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: have kids, there's no such thing as being poor. You're broke,

605
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: but you're not poor like poor is later, you know.

606
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: So I just lived for a long time without any

607
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: real serious income, but in like my parents' minds, I

608
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: was like very successful because I had chased something kind

609
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: of weird and did it, you know, and so it

610
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: was cool like that, like that that with my dad,

611
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: as much as he enjoyed that hunting and fishing to

612
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: see for him to see his kid kind of make

613
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: away in that, he like, he liked that a lot.

614
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: He died right after the it was right after the

615
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: terror attacks. No, it was either right before or right

616
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: after the terror attacks.

617
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: Before almost I think he.

618
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 2: Died that December. I think maybe it was that December.

619
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: He died, So that was before most of the world

620
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: knew of you and meat eater, and oh.

621
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, oh yeah, there was nothing like that.

622
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he died before I published my first book,

623
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: but I was I was a magazine writer. I was

624
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: a magazine writer. And and I remember, like I wrote

625
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: a couple of things, you know, I did some stuff

626
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: in field and stream and did some stuff and outside.

627
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 2: And I remember the last time I hung out with

628
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: him before he got real sick. We were down in

629
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: Floorida fishing and we were going to buy shrimp, you know,

630
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: and he's like, uh, you know, you can tell he's

631
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: like waiting for someone to He's like, you don't know

632
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: who this is, you know, he's like waiting for someone

633
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: like recognize me, because written a field.

634
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: That's a good dad.

635
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: That's a good dad. Yeah, not realizing that no one

636
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: reads who wrote the articles they're reading in magazine. No

637
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: one looks at the author's name.

638
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: That's amazing, man. I love I love that. I love

639
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: that hilarious.

640
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: So you your kids, you said you you put pressure

641
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: on them. Oh yeah, and yeah you didn't necessarily get

642
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: that pressure from your dad.

643
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: But it's also just a different Oh no.

644
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: We had a no, no, we had a we had

645
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: a pressure for sure, but not like it wasn't directional.

646
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: It was just like a pressure to perform, you know,

647
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: like it wasn't It wasn't like a pressure to to

648
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: following dad steps and become an orthodonist. You know. It

649
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: was a yeah, right, It was like you couldn't you

650
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 2: couldn't be a screw off for sure, and you had

651
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: to you had to work hard, you're going to be

652
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: in trouble. But there was no, it wasn't hyper directional,

653
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: I should say.

654
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: And now it is, you're saying, is it directional pressure

655
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: you put on your kids?

656
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: No? No, I just had this conversation this morning. Maybe

657
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: me and my wife were talking to a friend of

658
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: ours this morning, and I was my wife's much more

659
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: inclined to get after him about grades. You know, she's

660
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: pretty demanding on grades. And I was trying to explain

661
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: to a friend of mine that I didn't have that

662
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: relationship with school. I did a lot of schooling, but

663
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: I didn't have that relationship with school.

664
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: And and I don't look at it like I don't

665
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 4: look at.

666
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: It as the sort of sole opportunity that I don't

667
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: look at like academic performance as being the kind of

668
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: like where you make or that that that that's your

669
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: chance to make or break yourself. Or I don't look

670
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: at like the quality the quality of a kid's formal

671
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: education really like casts their die and sets their destiny.

672
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: You know, I look at it like it's a part.

673
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: It's a it's a part, it's important, it's a part

674
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: of a much broader collection of things that go on

675
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: in one's life that will sort of determine where they

676
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: had right.

677
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: Within that. You know, if our kids screw off in school.

678
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: And they get bad grades, they're gonna lose privileges.

679
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what does cast the die? Oh man?

680
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: Or is that too broad to ask?

681
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: No? No, It's very funny that we're on this because

682
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: because we were like having this, we were having this

683
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: very question earlier, and a friend of mine was pointing

684
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: out my friend of mine was taking the other perspective here,

685
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: and she was saying, you guys, meaning our family, She's like,

686
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: you guys are really engaged.

687
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: You like know a lot of people, you have.

688
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: You know a lot of connections, you have a lot

689
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: of opportunity, you have a lot of passions. If you

690
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: take some kids and strip away where they have like

691
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: not a great home life, they don't have engage parents.

692
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: It might be that that is their chance, like shining

693
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: in school without people backing them up, and without people

694
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: backing them up at home and supporting them at home,

695
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: and like creating chances for them, right, sacrificing for them.

696
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: She's like some people if.

697
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: She was, she's a she was her family during the

698
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Iranian Revolution. They fled to Iran, right and can't do

699
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: America with nothing. She's like, dude, for me, for us,

700
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: if we didn't make it in school, you were going

701
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: to make it because that was your chance, Like that

702
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: was your chance to shine, and that was like your spot.

703
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: You're going to do it academic because there wasn't another

704
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: way you were going to do it. And I was like, yeah,

705
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: that's kind of true because but I point out, like

706
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: I'd be thrilled if my kids joined the military. I'd

707
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: be thrilled if my kid went up and became you know,

708
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: got a job guiding, uh, you know, became a sheep

709
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: guy in Alaska, Like I'd be thrilled for him. You know,

710
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: it doesn't I don't have Uh, there's just I think

711
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of paths. You know, when is your die?

712
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: When is your die?

713
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: Cast?

714
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: Uh?

715
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: That's a great question. We have a ten year old,

716
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 2: a twelve year old, fourteen year old. I don't know

717
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: at what point you feel like you're out of the woods.

718
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: Last night, the cab driver I drove with from the airport,

719
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: we are talking about this subject a little bit, and

720
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: he said he when his kids were, when his youngest

721
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: one was kind of finished in college, he all of

722
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: a sudden said, I felt like I had done it.

723
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: M you know, He's like, I felt like I could

724
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: look and be like, you did it. Yeah, you did it,

725
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: You did a good job, you got it.

726
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 3: You know, my kids are the same as my oldest

727
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: is thirteen though, yeah right there, and yeah.

728
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: We don't we don't wait at fourteen.

729
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: I can tell you one thing we're not doing is

730
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: we're not kicking back saying we did it, because there's

731
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: still a lot of there's still a lot of rose.

732
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: To ho No, man, do you guys, is there a

733
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: you guys have a faith in your family?

734
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: No?

735
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: You know, we were.

736
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: Brought up well, yeah, it's it's it's present because we

737
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: were both brought up very much in the in the

738
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: Christian tradition, and our kids have observant. Our kids have

739
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: observant family members observing observant grandparents on each side.

740
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: But in our household, no, it's like they we've never been.

741
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: We're like we're observing in the.

742
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: Tradition like so many people are where we acknowledge holidays,

743
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: but we're just not we're not church going.

744
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 4: We're not church going people, even to the point where

745
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: our kids have expressed and.

746
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: We'll go with their grandparents, you know, like they've taken

747
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: into they're interested, but it's just something that for us,

748
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: it's something that we were grounded in, based in and

749
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 2: then just got like just drifted in some way.

750
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: You know, does that Does that feeling change when you're

751
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: on top of a mountain alone or or yeah?

752
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: Because you know, I feel like a like a spiritual

753
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: connection to nature, and I feel a sort of like

754
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a.

755
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: Spiritual connection to.

756
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: My friends and my fellow man, Like like I never

757
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: have this feeling of being that it's pointless or being

758
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: that we're just like drifting in outer space, no broader

759
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: meaning things, you know what I mean?

760
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: I feel like very grounded in a order.

761
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: Where there's a where there's a higher order, and there's

762
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: a there's a thing that we need to pay homage

763
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: to and there's something that we're indebted to. Right, So

764
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: those feels there's something that you owe back to, right.

765
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: We try to raise our kids with that awareness. But

766
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: what I wouldn't say that we're observing you know.

767
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: Okay, that's interesting, So what uh, what would you owe?

768
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 3: For the second conversation, I'd have to.

769
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: Think about I'd have to think about why I feel

770
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: that way. I don't know, like I'd have to think

771
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: about why I feel that way. Uh.

772
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: And that's a thought you you would have on the

773
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 3: top of a mountain in Alaska. You would have that

774
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: feeling like I feel, I feel like I owe something

775
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: like yeah.

776
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: Like a sense of like a like a sense of it,

777
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: like a sense of indebtedness. That's a great question. I

778
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 2: can't really answer why I have that. You know, It's

779
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: like I never dug back. I never dug back more

780
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: layers on it to really think about why I had

781
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: that feeling of of you know, being in a like

782
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: like existing in a sort of sense, existing in a

783
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: world where there's where there's like a continuity and a

784
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: broader meaning to it all. I just I've never fallen

785
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: into I've never had a sort of despairing, feeling of

786
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: of it all being empty or at all being pointless.

787
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: I've never felt that way, you know, even in the

788
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: absence of organized religion, I've never felt that.

789
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: Perhaps it was from being raised in that tradition, you know.

790
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: Right, which is that emptiness you're kind of elluding that

791
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: that emptiness is typically what drives people into searching for

792
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: a deeper understanding.

793
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, you'll hear people say like, could this really

794
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: be it? And I never I never have that feeling of.

795
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: It could really be it. I think that that's one

796
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: of the things of one of the big strengths of

797
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: One of the reasons I like like parenting and and

798
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm serious about parenting and find a lot of value

799
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: in parenting is I think it.

800
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 4: Creates a.

801
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: There's this term I used in a different context before,

802
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 2: but I use this term like an arena, an arena

803
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: of consequence, meaning I've said that one of the reasons

804
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: I like exposing my kids to the outdoors is you're

805
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: in an arena of consequence, Like you can get into situations.

806
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: You know, you're out in big water in a small boat, right,

807
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: You're in an arena of consequence. Man Like screwing up

808
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: has there's a real thing that happens when you screw up,

809
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: and if you're not paying attention, there's a real thing

810
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: that happens. And I feel that I've found so much

811
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: more clarity in life as a parent because it makes

812
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: the whole thing an arena of consequence. I remember my

813
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: buddy earlier, I was talking about the guy that used

814
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: to work for Boordain on the Boardain stuff, and he's

815
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 2: the showrunner on the History Channel show. We were talking

816
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: about this and he described to me like once he

817
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: had kids, when he woke up in the morning, he

818
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: felt like he was in one of those old movies

819
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: where you put your hat on and go out the

820
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 2: door in the morning, you know, racing to work with

821
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: the newspaper under your arm, you know, like raising to work.

822
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: He just felt like it was he loved it. All

823
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: of a sudden, there was like a mission, you know,

824
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: yea your family, it gives you a mission.

825
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 4: And I think that's one of the.

826
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: Things that the reason I have like found such a

827
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: greater happiness as a parent that I did prior to

828
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: being a parent is the huge sense of purpose. So

829
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: when I talk about the continuity thing is all of

830
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: a sudden, you're like, you're.

831
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: Kind of like, oh, I get it.

832
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: If I can take the things that I've learned and

833
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: things where I find value and being a good person

834
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: to the people around you whatever, trying hard, and I

835
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: put that into my kids and that grows in them,

836
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 2: and then and then they move on and do that

837
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 2: as well. You know, it kind of makes like, uh,

838
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: it makes things have a lot of sense. And it

839
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: wound up being really really psychologically mentally for mental health

840
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: and stuff for I would say for both speaking for

841
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: my wife who's not in the room right now, but

842
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: if she was here, I would say the same thing.

843
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 2: It helped us a lot, like like like mentally it did.

844
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Having kids and being parents did a lot for us,

845
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot for us in a way that's taken me

846
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 2: years to realize.

847
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: Did you struggle at any point before that with mental health?

848
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? I did. I did. Yeah, I had like, yeah,

849
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: I drank too much, Like we don't. I don't drink

850
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: it all now.

851
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm not down on it, but we just don't have

852
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: time to.

853
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, drank too much. Uh yeah, I just

854
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: not like not great.

855
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: You know, move moved a lot of things over you know,

856
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 4: I talked.

857
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: A lot about my parents. I talked a lot about

858
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: my dad that was not always a very like a

859
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: completely harmonious relationship. He had had terrible experiences in the war,

860
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: and and yeah, it was just you know, uh, my net,

861
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: my net overall happiness. Just I kind of found it

862
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: with family, right, I found it with family. And and

863
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even even have It wouldn't have occurred to

864
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: me to even have said that until I was well

865
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: into the job of being a parent. You know.

866
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. I have to think more about that,

867
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: that becoming a parent fulfills something in you that.

868
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's fascinating stuff.

869
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: I feel like, Yeah, it gave you, it gave it

870
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 2: gave everything a shape. I feel like I think it

871
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: gave everything in life a shape.

872
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

873
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: As I sit here, I do realize and it's not

874
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: lost on me that I'm in a position that millions

875
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: of American men probably worldwide, would want to be. And

876
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: that is get I get to talk to Steve one

877
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 3: on one and ask him anything I want.

878
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: So this is a huge privilege and I appreciate the time.

879
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: I do want to ask a few questions though, to

880
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: you know, for the rest of the men out there.

881
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: One gun, one rifle, and that's all. That's the only

882
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 3: when you get the rest of your life for any hunt,

883
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 3: what are you taking?

884
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: This is my fourtunen year old's favorite game.

885
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: That says a lot about my brain. I think, right, yeah, no.

886
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 4: No, I'm right there with If we had to do okay,

887
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 4: if it was the one gun, the one gun, me

888
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 4: and my boy.

889
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: Both decided there would be a twelve gage and we

890
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: would just become slog hunters for big game.

891
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Interesting.

892
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: I like it because we hunt everything man Like we

893
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: hunt rabbits, squirrels.

894
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, dear, we're like man.

895
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: If we could have any shell we wanted, we would

896
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: go at the twelve gage.

897
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: For for rifles, I shoot like.

898
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: Uh, for rifles, my main like all around guns. I

899
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: shoot a three hundred win mag. Okay, but see, but

900
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: you know, I hope you know I like to hunt

901
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: moose and stuff, man, you know, and uh, And I

902
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of advances, and you know, bullets

903
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: are getting so good, and a lot of stuff's changed,

904
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: and you can get away with much lower calibers on stuff.

905
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 4: But I've never been bothered by recoiling.

906
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: And I enjoy shooting a three hundred win mag so

907
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: if I was picking a rifle. You know my younger bodies.

908
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: Everything now is like smaller, faster, you know.

909
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, I.

910
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: Shoot three hundred win Man the one gun deal for sure,

911
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Man twelve gage showy.

912
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: You can even get a bird with that. You can

913
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: get a dove with that. I like it. That's a

914
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: good answer.

915
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 4: Oh no, we hunt turkeys, we hunt dogs.

916
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just do everything man.

917
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: Top five game meets in order.

918
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 3: I know that woul probably chan and so today in

919
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,479
Speaker 3: your current mood right now from your hotel room.

920
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: A lot of We eat a lot of mule deer.

921
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: My family, We've always eaten a lot of meal deer.

922
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: People tend to like what they know. You know, when

923
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: people talk about something tasting strong, it's because it's unusual

924
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: to them. We eat a ton of mule deer. My

925
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 2: kids first deer, you know, all mualder. That's what we hunt.

926
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: So that's the favorite. Uh uh. We like to eat

927
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: a lot of halbit and salmon, like cottontail rabbits. Interesting, Yeah,

928
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: cottontail rabbits, we can get.

929
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: Them cotton top three interesting.

930
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: But no, you know now that you put it that way, Oh,

931
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: black cot, I'd put black cottable fish. I like a

932
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: lot of stuff.

933
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: That's a that's why that could change tomorrow. That's a

934
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 3: tough question.

935
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing is. I'm like I always joke

936
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: like I got way too many. I'm like, I always

937
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: talk about that's my favorite food, and I'm like, well

938
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: I do like that other thing too.

939
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

940
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: Give me again, dear me like like it No, But seriously, Uh,

941
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: if I had to I'll tell you this way. If

942
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: I had to just eat one if I had to

943
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: eat one thing, okay, one, just one thing, and I

944
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: had to access to one thing, it would be like

945
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: I would want like deer bodies, deer, okay, white tailed deer, meal,

946
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: the whole thing.

947
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: I want the whole tongue deer.

948
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: Everything. I want just deer.

949
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Okay, even even an eyeball. You ate an eyeball one time,

950
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't you.

951
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: Yep, I want the whole deer.

952
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: If I didn't pick one thing, I'd be like, it

953
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: has to be the whole deer.

954
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. What's a what's a hunt?

955
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: One hunt that just You've had so many you look

956
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: back in your life, is there one that just pops

957
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 3: out and knocked your socks off.

958
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of hit it on the head talking

959
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: about talking about hunting doll sheep. I've been real fortunate.

960
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 4: Like in Alaska, you can't hunt sheep.

961
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: Without a guide unless you have a relative that lives there.

962
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: It could be your cousin. They called degree kindred. My

963
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: brother has been in Alaska for twenty five years or something,

964
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: so periodically I'll be able to go sheep, hunt them.

965
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: We just go. I can just go with him, you know.

966
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: And and man, that's like it's the just the epitome

967
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: of mountain hunting, the epitome of mountain hunting. Another favor

968
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: for me would be like hunt milder during the rut.

969
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: You know, hunt milder in late November is just a blast,

970
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 2: just a blast. Love it.

971
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. One more thing.

972
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to push you on this because

973
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: it's contentious, but uh cwd.

974
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: Oh the don't think is contentious. Well, it's contentious, but

975
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me talking.

976
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 3: About Okay, Well, I mean here in Texas, a lot

977
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 3: of these ranch owners are especially the ones raising deer,

978
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: are actually pretty scared. There's there's guys that have based

979
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 3: their whole life, their whole income, everything is based around deer,

980
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 3: and now the government has authority to come and just

981
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: wipe out the whole heard with a twenty four hour notice.

982
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

983
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 3: Is there is there anything nefarious that you think could

984
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: be happening here? Is this a ploy in any way,

985
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 3: especially after we saw what happened with COVID, If there's

986
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: more to this as we see these CWD cases popping

987
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: up randomly, is it naturally occurring? Have you seen any

988
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: way to eradicate it that's effective. These are all tons

989
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: of questions.

990
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: I have no no, Well, you're opening up a bunch,

991
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: but I'll give you, like if you don't mind, I'll

992
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: give you sort of a general perspectively. Yeah, it was

993
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: first identified in the seventies. Some people feel as though

994
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: it was always there and we weren't finding it. We

995
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 2: have a lot of testing in place now all around

996
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: the country, and we have areas now where you can

997
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: test test to and you don't find it, and then

998
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: you can test test tests and you begin to find it.

999
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: I do believe, I do believe that it is a

1000
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: somewhat novel, meaning new. I do believe it is a

1001
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: somewhat new disease, and I think that it's expanding its range.

1002
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: I think it's spreading from deer to deer to deer

1003
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: in areas. I do not believe there's any stopping it.

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: I the primary thing that I worry about with CWD

1005
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: is that it would I am very concerned about the

1006
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: ramifications of it if it would jump into humans.

1007
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: There's no evidence that there's no evidence.

1008
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 2: That it will. It has not.

1009
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: I've been I've had people.

1010
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: Challenging me on this. I think that there are hundreds

1011
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: of thousands of hunters, hundreds of thousands of Americans who've

1012
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: eaten CWD positive meat. No one's gotten sick. There's been

1013
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 2: groups of people that we can track over time that

1014
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: we knew eight infected meat, you know whatever, fifteen sixteen

1015
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 2: years ago. They routinely, you know, check up with them.

1016
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: There's no evidence that it's happened. However, other preon diseases,

1017
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: there have been other preon diseases, mad cow for one.

1018
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: There's been other preon diseases in time that have jumped.

1019
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 4: And infected humans. So it can't happen.

1020
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: You go to England and it's happened where mad cow

1021
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: has infected people in a couple of handful of cases.

1022
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: So as a prion disease and it's not you know,

1023
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: you have like mad cow in cattle, there's a preon

1024
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: disease scrapy and sheep. There's a preon disease CWD that

1025
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: hits members of the deer family. So you have these

1026
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: different kinds of creatures and they have different preon diseases.

1027
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: You have a prion disease that hits humans Yakub kreutz

1028
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: felt or you know, I think it's Yakub Kreutz disease

1029
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: or chrous felt Yakub disease. That's a preon disease that

1030
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: occurs in humans. So yeah, I believe that there's a

1031
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: preon disease that occurs in servants, not only looks, servants

1032
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: and deer in the deer family. There's a rub here

1033
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: that that even when people have tried to slow the

1034
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 2: spread or to eradicate the disease in certain areas by

1035
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: killing tons of deer, they haven't successfully done it. There's

1036
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: no there's no place where you can go look and

1037
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: see that any human efforts have done anything to get

1038
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: rid of it. When people land at a spot that

1039
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 2: it's just people that have landed at a spot that

1040
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 2: let's say someone someone out there accepts, like I believe

1041
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 2: the CWD is a disease that that can kill deer

1042
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: or that does kill deer. I believe that that's true, and.

1043
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 4: I believe it's just out there.

1044
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't believe it's going to infect humans, and I

1045
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: don't believe that us trying to do a bunch of

1046
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: measures to control it are going to be successful. I

1047
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: could see a person landing at that in that position

1048
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: quite logically, I could see someone landing there. For me, Like,

1049
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: what I support, What I would like to do is

1050
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: I would like to continue us hunter's anglers, not angers,

1051
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 2: you know, well outdoorsmen, livestock producers, whoever. I think that

1052
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: we should continue to explore research and continue to fund

1053
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: research and try to get somehow It's very hard, but

1054
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: try to get like.

1055
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 4: Really unbiased.

1056
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: Information from someone who's not pushing an agenda, not pushing

1057
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 2: a pre existing agenda, or trying to use CWD to

1058
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: get something they were already after anyway. Yeah, right, but

1059
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: like like straight shooters, honest straight shooters, continuing.

1060
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 4: To explore, like what is this thing?

1061
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 2: What are the risks? Right?

1062
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 4: Like I welcome all of that information, and.

1063
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: It sounds like there's almost a race to who gets

1064
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: there first, because that the hunters need to get to

1065
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 3: that need to get to the solution before the nefarious

1066
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: side that says, hey, we're going to use this for

1067
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: something we already wanted to wanted to accomplish.

1068
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's and like and I've I've seen that man,

1069
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: and I and I understand people's frustrations where like, like

1070
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm coming from a perspective of a guy that's that's

1071
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: that's concerned, very concerned about CWD. I'm also concerned about

1072
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: some researchers just some research that came out of Wisconsin

1073
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: suggesting that CWD in areas of Wisconsin has far surpassed.

1074
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 4: Humans as the leading cause of death for deer.

1075
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: So some people feel that at a certain rate, when

1076
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: you get up, when you get CW the infection rates

1077
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: thirty forty percent, that it's gonna you're gonna lower your

1078
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: deer numbers, your deer herd is gonna go down. And

1079
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: here's the other thing is like cwd's always fatal. It's right, Like,

1080
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: when a deer gets CWD, it's usually dead within two years.

1081
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 4: So if take six years.

1082
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Five years, six years to grow a mature trophy whitetail.

1083
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: And you have infection rates at forty percent or fifty percent,

1084
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: it's always fatal within a couple of years.

1085
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 4: You do wonder.

1086
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: About our ability in areas that have a lot of infection.

1087
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: Are we gonna have the ability to like produce big bucks. Now,

1088
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Speaker 2: A lot of people outside of hunters are going to

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: look and be like, well, who cares about producing the bucks?

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00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: But you care? I care? I care about that. I

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00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: don't care. I don't care. I care about that a lot.

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00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: I care about deer meat more. And if it wound

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00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 2: up being that like I had be that, if it

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00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: wound up being that some that it did jump and

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00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: we started being a higher rate of preon diseases in

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00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: humans that were like consuming a bunch of deer meat. Right,

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00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: we haven't seen this yet, there's no evidence of it

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: at all. Hopefully that never will be. But if we

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00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: did see that down the road, I would pee. I

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00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: would The first thing I would think is like, man,

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Speaker 2: I wish that we had paid more attention this early

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00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: early on.

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Speaker 4: But but again, on the other hand of this, what

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00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: burns a lot of guys is what burns.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys is without all this information, trying

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: to set regulations and trying to take preventive measures that

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00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: aren't really showing to be effective, but that work against

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00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,919
Speaker 2: the interests of hunters. Meaning there's some county that gets

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 2: CWD and they come up with the idea, well, let's

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Speaker 2: go kill every deer in that county everything, and then

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00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: why is it being.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't do anything. The deer come back and you

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00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: still have CW.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, why do we just kill all the

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00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: deer in the whole damn county.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in I was in Montana just a

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00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 3: few months ago. A game warding friend of mine comes in, Sorry,

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm late for dinner. Oh, we've just been killing deer

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00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: all day, last two days, just killing deer because of

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Speaker 3: one CWD case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's an idea. There's an idea that picture that

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00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: you had picture. There's a cold going around town, right,

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Speaker 2: and you might be like, well, how's the cold spread?

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 4: Well, it spreads from person to person.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's get rid of half the people and see

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: if we have half as many people with the cold.

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00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: I see a new show coming one day Steve Vanilla

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00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: and CWD.

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Speaker 2: But man, I don't want listen. I don't want you

1131
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: to think. Here, here's the one thing I don't want

1132
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: you to think. I don't want you to think that

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00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: I am not claiming to know all the answers. Yeah

1134
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: I'm not, but I'm telling you flat out.

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00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 4: I'm telling you flat out I think it's something we

1136
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: should pay attention to.

1137
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: Hopefully in ten years it'll be like, well, look at

1138
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 2: CWD the way we uh now look at COVID, where

1139
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 2: we're like, hey, you know something that happened.

1140
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 4: We got some things right, we got a lot of

1141
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 4: things wrong.

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01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of things we did we

1143
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: didn't need to do, and now we can kind of coexist. Right,

1144
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: it's around, it's around. Sure, it's brown, like EHD is around.

1145
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: All these other deer diseases are around. I hope we landed.

1146
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm not rooting for I'm not rooting for wildlife disease,

1147
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: but I don't think that we should. I don't think

1148
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: that we should view it differently than we would view

1149
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: any other wildlife disease. Like we we like research. We

1150
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 2: want to research wildlife diseases and understand what their capabilities

1151
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: are yeah right, No, I want information, man, Yeah, I

1152
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: want information.

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Speaker 1: You know that's good.

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Speaker 3: Hey, bro, thank you so much for taking the time

1155
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: being on here hunting history from the heart of a

1156
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: of a storyteller. I appreciate you so much, man. And

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 3: it's a it's a great new show that you guys have.

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01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you saying all that nice stuff, man,

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01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: And and I appreciate you bringing up and having bringing

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01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: up talking about talking about chronic waste and disease because

1161
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's a real frustrating mystery, and

1162
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: it's kind of dividing some hunters, and and and I yeah,

1163
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: and I just hope the guys that have a vested

1164
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: interest in deer continue to read up on it and

1165
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: follow what's going on and have opinions, but you know,

1166
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: have informed opinions, right, like get try to try to

1167
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: draw some information from a variety of sources and weigh

1168
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: it out in your head and see what you think.

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Speaker 1: It's good to talk about it.

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, one percent.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you, brother, sure appreciate your time. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: take care, Yeah you too.

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01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,320
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