1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh man, So this episode, this classic episode this week 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: is one that takes me back to my car stuff 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: days and my college days. Uh, Noel, did you know that? 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Uh one of the very first pieces of automotive technology 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: incorporated hemp. Dude, where's my hemp car? Bro? Uh, it's 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: it's it's it's over there. Yeah, no, it's of course, 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, we're all here for some laugh. But hemp 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: is not the same thing as marijuana. It is derived 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: from the same plant, but it does not contain the 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: same uh you know compounds that actually you know, gets 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: you high. And it turns out it is actually a 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: really really powerful, uh substance for making rope and and 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: all kinds of other you know, manufacturing um processes that 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: can be really really useful. Then of course kind of 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: got a bad route. Who was it like jeffre Thomas 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: Jefferson was a massive hemp the founding fathers. Yeah, and uh, 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: you know Henry Ford, famous anti semi, who is also 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: into cars, uh, also has a history with hemp cars. 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: It's strange because in recent decades more and more people 20 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: started asking why the majority of people in the US 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: can't live without a car and why there seems to 22 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: be so much pollution associated with the auto industry, so 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: they said, what if there was an alternative? Just like 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: the idea of the water powered car, there are plenty 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: of people who tell you there was a HEMP car 26 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: cover up. Yeah, it's definitely the stuff that they don't 27 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: want you to know because you know, it's the stuff 28 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: that will potentially make them capital them less money. Um, 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: so let's see what nefarious activity is the uh the 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: military industrial slash automotive complex are getting up to. From 31 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome 34 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Mind, my name 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: is no. They call me Ben. You are you that 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know? Today 37 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: we're talking about something that that might seem odd for 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: listeners of our show because we don't typically talk about automobiles. Well, 39 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: you do in another life, in another incarnation. Right. We 40 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: know that conspiracies can occur in any realm or discipline, 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: and cars are really no different. So whether you out there, 42 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: whether you were in Briton, Nebraska, Argentina or Paul or 43 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Nepal or New Schwabia, you know, wherever you find yourself, 44 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: whether you consider yourself a gear head or not. Odds 45 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: are that you've heard about all this kind of skullduggery 46 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: alleged on the part of auto manufacturers, oil compannese and 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: insidious governments. And you know, we we all know stories 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: like that, right like who killed the electric car? Perfect example, 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: and what's what's that? What's the documentary just about how 50 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: oil companies and um, you know, special interests ultimately were 51 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: responsible for bringing down what should have been a viable 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: technology and a you know, clean solution to driving that 53 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: would have, you know, displaced some of the pollution caused 54 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: by fossil fuels. That was the e V one, I 55 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: believe Saturn right, yes, the car and uh full disclosure. 56 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: One of our old bosses, Marshall Brain, who founded how 57 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: Stuff Works, was pretty nuts about the e V one. 58 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: And then also that ties into the idea of car 59 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: companies repressing the trolley car system. Right, So this is 60 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: you don't have to be a car person per se 61 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: to to notice this. And the the history of the 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: evolutionary cars is pretty crazy too. That's part of what 63 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: we get into. So there there are many men stories 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: like this, and so many of the stories, here's the 65 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: strange thing, have commonalities. Right. Sure, many times it's one 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: intrepid inventor alone in his garage or her garage that 67 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: comes up with some mind blowing technology that will completely 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: revolutionize the auto industry, the entire system, and yet they're 69 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: on the outside of it, and uh, inevitably you hear 70 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: that they get shut down somehow. But like, what's a 71 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: more specific example of this. We could look to Stanley Meyer, 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: who was famous for creating a water car, at least 73 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: allegedly creating a water car. Um that it was a 74 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: water fuel cell that could run the entire thing on 75 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: H two O. But it was shut down allegedly by 76 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: let's say, the powers that be. And that's not the 77 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: only example of a water powered vehicle or alleged water 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: powering technology. Uh. Their former NASA scientists they a named 79 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: Herman Anderson and Tennessee. There's a Japanese company that I 80 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: believe may still be active called Jenna Packs, and they're 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: just scraping the surface. Just wait, so it's scraping the bottom, 82 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: it's scratching the surface. I would think you could scratch 83 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: the bottom or the surface, or you could scrape the bottom. 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: It just seems like an arbitrary association. Their arbitrary verbs. 85 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: It's it's groping, groping the tip. That sounds weird, hey, 86 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: but it says we're getting weird. For a second, Can 87 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I just say it's nice to be with all all 88 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: three of us in a room together for the first 89 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: time in a minute. Um. I felt like, you know, 90 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: the way I saw the band, the Smashing Pumpkins, I 91 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: was a huge fan of I never saw all the 92 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: original members at the same time. I saw like two 93 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: original members and then a pinch hitter and then like 94 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: three different times. So I kind of feel like that's 95 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: what the listeners have been experiencing on the show lately. 96 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: It was like just you guys, and then just me 97 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: and Matt and now I'm glad to be back. We're glad. Yeah, 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: we're glad. That's well said in the We're glad to 99 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: join the most important part of the show, which is 100 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: you folks listening out there. We also if the Smashing 101 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: Pumpkins are listening. You know Billy Corrigan, Uh, he's a 102 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: bit of a conspiracy nut nut. You know, I don't 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: know if he's not a nut, but he looks like 104 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: a nut. It's definitely. Uh, listen, he's definitely into the 105 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: nut some fringe theories. So if you're listening, let us 106 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: know if the Smashing Pumpkins are ever going to get 107 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: back together, not after Oal just insulted him. We can 108 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: take all this out, Billy Corgan, he used to be 109 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: my hero. Keep it all in, keep it all in. 110 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: Let's tell the truth. Also, I really like the name 111 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: of I never actually listen to the album, but the 112 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: guitarist James Eah had an album called let It Come 113 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: Down or something. It sounds like James Taylor. Yeah, it's 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: that kind of like am pop, kind of like crossover 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: country gold. We are way off the track now, Oh 116 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: well yeah, okay, so back back on the track. Us 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: eating of radios. Those are in cars, speaking in cars. 118 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: Here's our show. We got there. So there are multiple 119 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: automotive conspiracies of varying credibility, some of which would be 120 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: a little out there, maybe a little self serving for 121 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: the people who try to convince you about them, but 122 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: many of which, a disturbing number of which are not 123 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: only plausible but probably happened. You can hear more about 124 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: these allegations, especially technological suppression, in earlier episodes of Stuff 125 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: they Don't Want You to Know, which features our guest 126 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: host or a guest Scott Gearbox Benjamin who host Car Stuff. 127 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: And from there you can just go to car Stuff 128 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: and find all kinds of fascinating episodes. Yeah other round 129 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: Man Preston Tucker also shut down by the Man spoiler alert. 130 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: Out of all this, there's one conspiracy theory that we 131 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: have not yet brought up, and that is the story 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: that while World War Two was looming on the horizon, 133 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the legendary automotive tycoon Henry Ford proposed and actually built 134 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: a completely for the time radical new vehicle, one that 135 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: seemed to completely change the world of manufacturing, not just 136 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: for cars, but just in general forever. And that was 137 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the topic of today's episode, The Hemp Car. The what Yeah, 138 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: you heard me, buddy, the Hemp Car. So he is 139 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: was Henry Ford, Like you know a little bit is 140 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, Like like Cheach and Chong, we 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: are not here to make that judgment on Mr Ford. 142 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: He was a very stressed out man. I'm sure that's 143 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of pressure to have on you, 144 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: um to be the head of a company like that, 145 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: so you know, then a spare time. Who knows what 146 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: he got up to. But as it turns out, no, 147 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: Lakar was not made of weed, um if if that's 148 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: what you're thinking. Uh, But hemp throughout history it's been 149 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: a pretty incredible resource US that has been largely overlooked 150 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: due to having a bit of a bad rap because 151 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: it is the same thing as a drug. Right, Yeah, 152 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: did this actually happen? Was this car actually constructed? Is 153 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: a bunch of malarkey? And if it did happen, perhaps 154 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: more importantly, why aren't we driving Himp cars now? If 155 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: you're listening to this in your vehicle, now, why isn't 156 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: it built of hemp? Why isn't it running on hemp? 157 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: What happened to the original design? We can answer that question, 158 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: as well as several more, some of which may have 159 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: to do with the smashing pumpkins. After a word from 160 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back here the facts. First things first, Yes, 161 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: as nol, as you alluded to earlier before the break, 162 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: hemp gets a bad name in a lot of circles 163 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: not all marijuana is created equal. I'm sure your local 164 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: weed man will tell you, right they there's a thing 165 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: that Look, I'll be square about it, and I'll be honest. 166 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: I've always been confused. I'm a big fan of hip hop, 167 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: but have always been kind of confused by the different 168 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: names that people have for different strains of marijuana. You know, 169 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: it took me a long time to figure an embarrassing 170 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: long time to figure out that sour diesel was not 171 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: just some catchphrase, that it was an actual thing. It 172 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: doesn't sound very appealing, It doesn't sound very appealing, especially 173 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: if you're paying money for something. What would you want 174 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: sour diesel? But the point is that when we say 175 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: not all marijuana's created equal, not just talking about you know, 176 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: pot jokes about some kind of indica or cush difference. Uh, 177 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: we're also talking about the difference between what people call 178 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: himp and what people call weed. And we're looking at 179 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: two kinds of classifications. There's a legal difference, which is 180 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: very very important if you're ever you know, pulled over 181 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: or you're in court for some reason. And there's a 182 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: scientific difference which is important if you want to be right. 183 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: So here we go, Usually when people say hemp, uh, 184 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: they're talking about strains of Cannabis sativa that have been 185 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: bred specifically for fiber like or used for clothing or 186 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: construction oils or other substances. The main thing is that 187 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: this is an umbrella term for this stuff that doesn't 188 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: have a larger amount of th HC, so it doesn't 189 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: create the feeling of being high. You can't wear a 190 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: hemp necklace and all of a sudden, you know, I 191 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: used to work in an old theater um and they 192 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: actually refer to the ropes in the rigging as the 193 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: hemp lines um. Whether it's just an old term that's 194 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: stuck around or whether this theater actually still has the 195 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: same stuff that was in there when that term came 196 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: into use, I cannot say for sure. There there's a 197 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: lot of updated need updating needed there, but yeah, it's 198 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: it was a really really prevalent resource and was used 199 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: very very strong as a lot of tensile strength or 200 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: whatever for you know, using for rope and a cruisine like. 201 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: It's again, it's not something where you would experience some 202 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: kind of inebriation touching it. You can't wear a himp 203 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: necklace and all of a sudden see musical notes on 204 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: Bob Marley's Greatest Hits. You can't pull the hemp line 205 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: at a play and all of a sudden find yourself, 206 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, experiencing a hallucinatory moment over pizza, as cool 207 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: as that would be. But marijuana is different. Marijuana is 208 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: a slang term, right, Yeah, marijuana like pot weed, t sticky, 209 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: Goobal's uncle, Milroy's elbow medicine. That's a good one. Hotchi machi, 210 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. You can just utter any sour diesel yo. 211 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: I got that scadooche, Yeah, whatever you wanna call it. 212 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: That's a that's a slang term, right, And it's describing 213 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: strains of Cannabis citiva that are specifically bred to create 214 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: um putinous, resinous gland or trichromes that grow on flowers 215 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: and on leaves or buds. So the difference here, for 216 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: everybody notices this, the difference here is is somewhat semantic, 217 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: because not only do hemp and what we call weed 218 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: or pot or chock uh, they are we starting this now? 219 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Are we gonna I'm gonna feel so weird if if 220 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: yours from now people start referring to stuff as cha 221 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: surely not. There's gotta be be their name. Send us 222 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: right to us and let us know your favorite nicknames 223 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: for drugs. We are Jonathan dot Strick winto how Stuff 224 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Uh. Well, well, the difference though, really 225 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: is because it really is semantic, because not only do 226 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: do they come from the same genus, they come from 227 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: the same species. They're just bread for different purposes. And 228 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: we have some experts to weigh on in on this too. 229 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: According to Ed Rosenthal, author of the Marijuana Growers Handbook UM, 230 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: the quote legal definition of hemp is a plant that 231 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: has low TA see and perhaps a higher level of CBD, 232 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: which is the what is that the cannabinoid. Yeah, cannabinoid 233 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: cannabi doile. That's a tomue twister right there. I'm I'm 234 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: mispronounced it for fun. Ok. Yeah, it's the non psychotropic 235 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: uh part, it's the non psychotropic substances, and I believe 236 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia that is what is legal. 237 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: You can get a pill form of that particular part too, 238 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: if if you have UM some sort of you know, 239 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: if you fall in line with the with a certain 240 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: certain set of conditions exactly. But it is not the 241 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: same as quote unquote getting high, but it does apparently 242 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: relieve um, you know, some chronic some chronic pain exactly. 243 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: But the the interesting point because the governor of Georgia 244 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: at the time, who supported that passage of a very 245 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: very strange, very very conservative law and said, okay, just 246 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: this one oil by like a certain manufacturer for a 247 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: certain amount of conditions. That guy's name is Governor Nathan 248 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: Deal uh and is his name at the time of 249 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: this recording. What's the deal with that? I know? Right? 250 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: Nominative determinism, right, And he he took such pains to 251 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: always say this is not for marijuana, this is not 252 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: this is not that t not that, not that that 253 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: Google doll, which is uh, you know, which is strange 254 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: to go to such pains when we're really at a 255 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: what could be a turning point in history. More and 256 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: more states are decriminalizing or even outright legalizing this kind 257 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: of stuff because they're seeing a lot of the a 258 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: lot of the problems related to drug abuse in America 259 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: are are more closely related to hard drugs or alcohol. 260 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how crazy is it that it is recreationally 261 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: legal in the District of Columbia, but yet federally still 262 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: totally gray area. You know, yeah, yeah, it's not really 263 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: gray federally, but I I consider that to be gray 264 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: because of like the fact that it's just completely disagrees 265 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: with all of these different state laws, and it's just 266 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: like where is the disconnect there? I just find it interesting. 267 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: You're right, it's not gray, but like the relationship between 268 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: the two to me is very very strange and tenuous 269 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: and contradictory. Right so, sadly and predictably, just as just 270 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: as we're talking about the legal stuff, as you know, 271 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: gets murky real quick because here in the United States, 272 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: the state level definitions don't always agree with one another 273 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: of what, you know, what is him versus marijuana, what 274 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: is legal, what is not? And then if you even 275 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: go drill down even further into the local laws in 276 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: jurisdictions for zoning. If you look at California right now, 277 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: even if on a statewide basis it's legal, it may 278 00:16:55,920 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: be illegal from the locality the county to have like 279 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: a growing I don't know of, to have a farm 280 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: or yeah, or you know, right right, personal use kind 281 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: of things, or places like Ohio, which have a famously 282 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: corrupt approach to the legislation as the US moves away 283 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: from marijuana prohibition at what appears to be an increasing pace, 284 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: states are scrambling to nail down definitions of what would 285 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: be you know, we the drug, uh that sweet kitten whisper, 286 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just making stuff up. It's my 287 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: favorite so far, And what would be himp as an 288 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: agricultural product make, you know, rope, fiber, et cetera. So 289 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: the result now is a confusing, contradictory state by state 290 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: legal redefinition based on what are considered higher levels of 291 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: CBD or th HC. It's no secret that for a 292 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: long long time the federal government opposed products that had 293 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: HIMP opponents in any degree as a because of their 294 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: association with with marijuana. And you know, that's also the 295 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: reason why a lot of middle school and high school 296 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: kids thought HIMP necklaces were cool, because they were like 297 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: guys like at me, I get stuff. You know how 298 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: I feel about pooka shell has been We've been over 299 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: the books, please don't get us started, and we can 300 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: find so many websites of varying authenticity insisting that himp 301 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: is a miracle crop by God, by Golly, by Gumoseph 302 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean those sites are all run by dirty hippies, 303 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: though obviously with a million uses. George Washington farmed himp, Matt, No, 304 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: we wouldn't have good music without pot, et cetera. George 305 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Washington was a dirty hippie. Come on, man, what about 306 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: stand up comedy and and stoner food and the movie 307 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Half Baked? You know it's real, It's true. I wouldn't 308 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: know who duncan trust it was if it wasn't for 309 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: this substance. But you know, for that matter, what about cars? 310 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cars? Hoping he would get back around to cars. 311 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: The totally forgot what we were talking about. Bro. Yeah, 312 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and we'll get to that right after a 313 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: word from ours sponsor. Here's some crazy. Let's talk about 314 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: a man you probably learned about him in class A 315 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: man of his time, Mr Henry Ford. There's a wealth 316 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: of well intentioned misinformation out there on the internet about 317 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: this fellow. He did have a brilliant mind. I think 318 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that we can agree upon that he was an acolyte 319 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: of Thomas Edison. You guys remember that person as well. 320 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: He's a bit of a stone bastard. But that's just 321 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: history for you, Okay, Yeah, You're kind of right if 322 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: you look to tales of him, him and Tesla that 323 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: we have discussed before, and among other people that he 324 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: interacted with in his life. But this, this gentleman Henry 325 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: Ford even played a small part in the creation of 326 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: what we refer to as The Weekend. Hey, everybody likes 327 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: the Weekend? I know I do. Well, you know their 328 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: new albums? Okay, yeah, the calendar Weekend? Oh yes, yes, 329 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: not the musician so far as we know. There's a 330 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: really interesting story about that, which maybe is a story 331 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: for another day. You can learn about in a brain 332 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: stuff video that will be coming out soon. But it's 333 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: strange that people make up this misinformation about Henry Ford, 334 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: no matter how well intentioned, is because he did enough 335 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: real crazy stuff on his own. Raging anti semi I 336 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: have heard tell of that raging uh, a little bit 337 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: of a loon with his ideas, very strict, uncompromising boss. 338 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: But we see that a lot in these items of industry, 339 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: you know, like Steve Jobs, sure that between genius and madness, 340 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Like where he put the iPhone prototype in the fish tank? 341 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: What I heard that story? What happened? I mean, I 342 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: think I think he wanted it to be thinner or 343 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: something like that. And he just like, in front of 344 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: all the designers who had been slaving away at this prototype, 345 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: he just threw it in a fish tank him to 346 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: start over two fats man, that's something. Consider it. Well, okay, 347 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: so run of Henry Ford's story is real quick, just 348 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: to show that what are some wacky ones. So one 349 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: wacky one is there was a slight redesign on I 350 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: believe it was a Model A, was either Model Air 351 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: Model T and it was very, very minor. So they 352 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: showed it to Henry Ford, like, oh, here's the new line. 353 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: It was supposed to be everything. He said, And again 354 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: I can't stress how how minor this was. And they 355 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: didn't tell him about it, but he noticed it and 356 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: he tore it apart with his bare hands. He tore 357 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: the car apart with his bare hands. It's way easier 358 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 1: to tear one of those cars apart than you know, 359 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: like a modern car. Still, yeah, he lost as he 360 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: lost his mind. He also built because of the price 361 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: of rubber that would be used in tires, and how 362 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: he was having difficult time getting that. He said, you know, 363 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: I should go to the Amazon, where I know there 364 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: could be cheaper rubber and build my own city and 365 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: have the people who live in that city just work 366 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, and we'll call it no Lie, Fordlandia. 367 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah? I just pulled that out of 368 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: my my brain, I did. Are you serious? Well, you 369 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: nailed it. Yeah, it's really named it Fordlandia, and that 370 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: is amazing. And their native you know, their native people 371 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: have been living there in their own culture for an 372 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: untold number of years, you know, thousands of thousands of years. 373 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: And so he takes this weird it's very very strange, 374 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: like idealized, step forward esque approach to what he thinks 375 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: the ideal American Western life is. So he makes all 376 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: the guys play baseball, no one can drink anymore, they 377 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: have to wear certain type of clothes, they all have 378 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: to go to church. Eventually it changes completely, the diet 379 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: changes completely eventually. So he's trying to assimilate natives basically. Yeah, he's, yeah, 380 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: trying to turn them into more American than Americans. And 381 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: it doesn't work. But there, until fairly recently there were 382 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: people who were still living in the ruins of ford 383 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Landia in case Ford Motors decides to come back and 384 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: started the crazy thing about this. The biggest problem that 385 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: that Ford didn't even notice because he didn't consult any 386 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: rubber experts or anybody that would tell him this before 387 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: he even got the idea, is that you cannot cultivate 388 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: plantation style rubber in the Amazon rainforest. Yeah, because of 389 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: all the different pests and that they call it blite 390 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: that affects them. When you grow the trees so close together, 391 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: it just kills everything. And it's such a verse ecosystem 392 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: that you can't really have. It's it's very difficult to 393 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: have mono cultural stuff, you know. That's why we lost 394 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: the good tasting bananas, the ones that taste like the 395 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: banana candy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh, it's either gross Smite Michael, 396 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: Gross Michael, or cavendish. My girlfriend told me that, like 397 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about banana candy at a Thanksgiving She said, 398 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: you know that the original bananas tasted like banana candy. 399 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, there's no way that's true. I 400 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, it's true, And she was 401 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: mad at me because I do that sometimes where I'm 402 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: just like no way chance. But right, Yeah, that's mono 403 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: agriculture is another great idea for an episode. So so, okay, 404 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: this guy built his first Off, he's convinced that there 405 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: are shadowy caballs that are taking over the world, and 406 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: his solution is to make as many cars as possible. Secondly, uh, 407 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: he has a huge temper tears things apart with his 408 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: bare hands, so he gets these uh missed or hide 409 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: level fits of rage. And third he built his own 410 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: essentially intentional community or commune for a deal on rubber 411 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: that didn't work out because he never thought to ask 412 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: the smart questions and everyone was too scared of the 413 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: guy to say no. So, of course when we when 414 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: we hear somebody tell this forward himp car story, of 415 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: course we think, oh that makes sense. This guy's uber bonkers. 416 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: He would try it. It's like, we're lucky he didn't say, 417 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: let's make a car out of dirt or people or 418 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: people the model p or soiling green or soiling green. Well, 419 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: here's the answer. Unfortunately, No, he did not make a 420 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: car entirely out of himp and but yeah, I know 421 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: it's a bummer, right because it's such a cool story. 422 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: But he did, to Noel Brown's point, he did make 423 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: what they called a soybean car. How about what and 424 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: it may have contained. Himp, this is not just the 425 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: story made out of thin air. Uh, here's here's how 426 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: it went down. Right. So Henry Ford had literally zero 427 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: problem dismissing the status quo. He was a rabble rouser. 428 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: He liked to shake things up, do things his own way. 429 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: Like Frank Sinatra would say, especially when he felt that 430 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: people were limiting progress with their close minded ways of 431 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: looking at problems, is how we do things right. By 432 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: the late nineteen thirties, he was intensely aware of a 433 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: lot of looming potential problems on the horizon of the 434 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: automotive industry. Um, and we can go through a few 435 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: of those here steel number one. Steel had at the 436 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: time a lot of issues and limitations as a building 437 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: material for automobiles. What were some of those? Well, all right, first, 438 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: it's going to it's going to require multiple industries working together. Right. 439 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: There's steel manufacturers, so you have to work with them. 440 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: You don't own you you buy a supplies steel from them, 441 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: you don't own the means of production. That's tough. Also, 442 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to material science at the time, molding 443 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: steel into shapes can be imperfect and a laborious process, 444 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: but that wasn't the only problem. Converting or in too, 445 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: steel also a complex operation. So again, you know, titans 446 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: of industry at this time are all about owning the 447 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: entire thing. They call it vertical integration. Right, So standard 448 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: oil wants to own everything from the ground that the 449 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: oil comes from to the pump that puts the gas in. Uh. 450 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 1: So Ford also started looking into alternate materials tail as 451 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: old as time. When it comes to manufacturing, how can 452 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: I do it cheaper, better, faster. Yeah, he looked at 453 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: plastic and eventually he wanted to find something even better 454 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: than that. And guess what he that old soybean as 455 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: a building block to to build the body of a car, 456 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: the panels that you see there. And there's another factor 457 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: here that doesn't really rear its ugly head quite yet, 458 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: but we're gonna get into that and we'll we'll see 459 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: if you can figure out and guess what it is. 460 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: So rumor has it that one day, at some point 461 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: in the past, Henry Ford visited the deer Field Village 462 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: Trade School and he learned about a crop that was 463 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: at this point in time obscure and largely relevant in 464 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: the West, and that was the soybean, and this dude 465 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: got obsessed with the soybean. He loved him. He was 466 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: probably one of the first Americans to ever drink this 467 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: thing called soy milk. M m m m m m 468 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: m mmm. And he did it on a regular basis. 469 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: Do you guys drink soy milk? No, I do, like 470 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: at a mammy them. Yeah, at a mamy is the business, 471 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: but soy milk not my jam. He loved it, though. 472 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: I've had some almond milk that I enjoyed, but it's 473 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: not really milk. What it's it's some almond concentrate in 474 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: some other things suspended in a milky liquid. Yeah. Well, 475 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: he even held a lunch for journalists at the four 476 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: World's Fair where he served in all soy menu. We're 477 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: talking soy crackers, soy bread, soy cheese, straight up soy beans, 478 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: probably soyed milk, and so on. Uh. And he also 479 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: believed the versatility of this drop doesn't need to be 480 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: limited solely to food stuffs. I felt that soy he 481 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: was consuming. I'm really starting to feel like behind the 482 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: scenes he might have been doing a little little tokey tokey. Yeah, 483 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: I thought you meant he was gonna be having a 484 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: lot of gas. Well, soy beans that maybe that too. 485 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: There were studies that have come out in the past 486 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: few years that allege excessive consumption of soy uh, including 487 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: you know, products like tofu and stuff and uh disrupt 488 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: termonal levels or raise estrogen levels. And dudes, I don't 489 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: know how true that is. I haven't read the studies myself. 490 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: So he thought this stuff is so useful. You know, 491 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: He's hanging out with his entourage of people that he 492 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: hasn't like killed or fired yet, and he's going, man, soybeans, 493 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: they're so amazing, and I bet we could use them 494 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: to build a car instead of just a buffet. And 495 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: everyone's like what, And he's like, you're fired, and everybody 496 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: else says, oh, great idea. So it hopes of building 497 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: a cheaper, more durable, lighter car. He originally enlisted the 498 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: help of and this guy is important, a stylist named 499 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: Et Gregory. However, Henry Ford did not like the work 500 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: that this guy and his team were producing, so he 501 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: took him off the project and instead he handed it 502 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: to a guy named Lowell. Overly and Lowell before he 503 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: was working at Ford's soybean laboratory. He did have a 504 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: deetic did sweeping laboratory. Uh, overly was designing tools and 505 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: die and overly because he wasn't a chemist, found a 506 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: chemist named Robert Boyer, and Boyer is the real like 507 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: hero of this story or question mark in this story. 508 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: August at a thing called Dearborn days this community festival 509 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: and Dearborn, Michigan, Henry Ford unveils what is called the 510 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: soybean car. The frame was made of tubular steel and 511 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: had fourteen different plastic panels connected to it. Um. This 512 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: was a two thousand pound car, which was a good 513 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: thousand pounds lighter than a steel car. That's a big deal. 514 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: Possibly a little dangerous now maybe right, um, but anyway, 515 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: lightweight plastic windows, and it had a one thirty six 516 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: c I D flathead Ford V eight sixty horsepower drive train. 517 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: So not not bad at all for the time. Here's 518 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: the thing, here's why we hear it called a hemp 519 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: car so often. Some people might be wondering why we 520 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: go from hemp to swybeings. The exact ingredients of these 521 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: plastic panels made by the chemist Robert A. Boyer are 522 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: unknown because no record of this formula exists today, you 523 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: will see articles claiming that the panels were made from 524 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: a chemical formula that included many ingredients soybeans, wheat, hemp, flax, 525 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: and some other stuff. However, that guy we talked about, 526 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: who was sort of the bureaucratic or business head tool 527 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: designer Lowell overly claims that it was soybean fiber in 528 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: a resin with formalde hyde used to to impregnate the 529 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: soybean fiber into the resident. But that's still second hand. 530 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: We literally don't know what Robert Boy or the chemist designed. 531 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: We know they experimented with several stuff, and there's no 532 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: question that this approach to design have potential lighter weight, 533 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: makes it more efficient, you know, uh, and gave it 534 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: the ability to pay on the engine for a high 535 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: level of performance. Because right now, so much material science 536 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: in race cars or exotic supercars, your neighborhood, Lamborghini and 537 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: what have you, so much energy is focused on making 538 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: engines bigger, but also making everything else in the car 539 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: much much lighter, which is why people are all twitter 540 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: painted about carbon fiber. Uh. However, Ford was also convinced 541 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: that not just would this make it more efficient, but 542 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: this would also save lives in the car, that it 543 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: would be more durable and safer and able to roll 544 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: without crushing. So there are instances or anecdotes where apparently 545 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: who walk up and you would have a steel panel, 546 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: and then he would have one of these miracle mystery 547 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: plastic panels and take a bat and just knock the 548 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: living tar out of it, and then the panel would 549 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: bounce back, and then the steel would be all dented 550 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: and stuff. He was always find finding reasons to hit things. 551 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: But this is one thing we need to remember. Like 552 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: you said, Ben, this is essentially a prototype it was created. 553 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: So this is a small batch of whatever material Bowyer created. 554 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be this giant, industrial size vat thing. 555 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: That's true. That's a big that's a great point. And 556 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: and Ford, like many industrialists, foresaw a possible and serious 557 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: shortage of metal in the future. He wanted to get 558 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: ahead of the game. In that summer, in the Golden 559 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: Summer of the car made two public appearances, that's it, 560 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: one in Dearborn and one to Michigan State Fairgrounds. And 561 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: after those appearances, I am sad to say it got destroyed. Yep, 562 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: So no one could ever use it. Again and find 563 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: out the secrets of the Soybean vehicle. According to overly, 564 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: the toolmaker who took over that project, the guy who 565 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: originally had the job, Et Gregory, he was the one 566 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: who ordered it destroyed, not Henry Ford really, and we 567 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: may ever know exactly why. So that other factor that 568 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, the the upcoming loss of steel resources, Yeah, 569 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: that that did happen, and it was even worse than 570 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: forwarded imagined. That this thing called the attack on Pearl 571 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: Harbor occurred in December of the same year and the 572 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: US was drawn into World War Two. So guess what 573 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: all that steel that would have been used for these vehicles, 574 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: It was going into weapon production, creating all kinds of tanks, airplanes, 575 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: different kinds of war vehicles. The birth of America as 576 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: his superpower. Absolutely there was a second unit in production, 577 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: a second plastic car, Soybeing car, hemp car, whatever you 578 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: wanna call it, in production. This was also halted during 579 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: World War two, and when the dust settled, almost everyone 580 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,920 Speaker 1: had forgotten about the curious Soybeing car. And today there 581 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: are questions that remained. First, why don't we know the 582 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: composition this miracle plastic was it bake light. Was it 583 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: maybe like the plastic substance on the trabant? And why 584 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: did the guy who originally lost the project become the 585 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: one who destroyed it? If there were a conspiracy of 586 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: what to suppress this technology, where would originate from steel manufacturers, 587 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: agricultural executives. Did they just lose the formula because it 588 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: wasn't that good of an idea? Was it actually created 589 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: by all of these organic substances they're talking about or 590 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: was it was it a little wink wink, nod nod, 591 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: maybe just more plastic? Right? Was it not as special 592 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: as they said it was? Yeah, let's not forget. Henry 593 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: Ford was consistently trying throughout his entire life to marry 594 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: and meld agriculture and industries. A lot of people don't 595 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: know this, but so the first model Teas come out 596 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: in right, the original model Teas could be run off 597 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: a hemp based fuel, and it was only due to 598 00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: economy of scale when gas became cheaper that they say, okay, 599 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: we'll just get rid of the himp option. But originally, uh, 600 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: he won implant based fuels. Yeah, he's pushing so hard 601 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: for ethanol. He thought that was the way we were 602 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: going to move. And the story doesn't end here because 603 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 1: as as we're recording this, multiple people around the globe 604 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 1: are researching the growing potential of himp as a fuel 605 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: source UH and beyondd not necessarily for car construction, although 606 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: there is a guy, a former Dell executive that is 607 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: sort of taking uh Henry Ford's idea or his secret 608 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: formula and kind of running with it. This is a 609 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: man named Bruce Michael Dietson who lives in Florida and 610 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: has constructed from a Mazda chassis, a car made entirely 611 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: from sort of a woven cannabis hemp material. And as 612 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: Ben was talking about comparing the bodies of modern supercars 613 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: and things with that carbon fiber, it does have almost 614 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: like a woven look to it when you look at 615 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: it and you can see the grain of the material, 616 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: and it is this is incredibly light and um. He 617 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: is attempting to kind of like debunk the stigma that 618 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: is associated with hemp, which, as it turns out, is 619 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: still illegal to grow in Florida. Dietson actually had to 620 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: import the woven kind of fabric like material from China, 621 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: and um, the body is ten times more dent resistant 622 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: than steel. Uh, and it wouldn't need nearly as much 623 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: body work after an accident. Um. He used a hundred 624 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,919 Speaker 1: pounds of woven hemp. And if you look at the car, 625 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: it's a really cool, sporty, nice looking kind of modern design. Um. 626 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: The article here takes great care in using lots of 627 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: marijuana puns. Quote. Building the car was no pipe dream 628 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: for Dietson, who found inspiration after hearing about famed industrialists 629 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: Henry Ford using the durable material ine to build the 630 00:38:56,360 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: world's first soybean hemp car. Um. And it cost him 631 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: two grand to make this car. So you know, he 632 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: is going out on a limb financially to kind of 633 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: bring this back into public consciousness a little bit. But 634 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting experiment for sure. And this is 635 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen, and I'm gonna I'm gonna jump 636 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: in to defend this guy. Know you you brought us 637 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: this story. Uh what I what I have to say 638 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: is whenever somebody does the first iteration of something, or 639 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: whenever they do it on their own and it's their 640 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: first iteration, even with someone else's idea, it's gonna be expensive. 641 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: So the fact that he could do it for two 642 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: d grand and that's it is pretty low and pretty 643 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: speaks pretty highly of his approach. So the thought then 644 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: would be that if if he manages to get people 645 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: to to say, well, maybe we've been giving this material 646 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: a bad rap, then the next cars, you know, like 647 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: a hundred and ten thousand, and then on and on 648 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: and on until ultimately, ideally, if we're in a perfect world, 649 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: you know, every everybody gets gets one for free. WHOA yeah. 650 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: And this model it does run on biofuel, which is 651 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: something I wanted to bring up. It uses recycled agricultural waste. 652 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: And I remember, I mean a decade ago, more than 653 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,720 Speaker 1: a decade ago. I remember bands hearing about bands touring 654 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: and converted like school buses that could take veggie diesels 655 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: what they called it, and you could strain out and 656 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: process friar used Friar grease to actually fuel your vehicle. 657 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, why don't we hear more about that? 658 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, well it's probably That's 659 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: the thing. Ford knew. It was possible to ferment vegetable 660 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: materials and other plant materials to create fuel, and you 661 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: could do it, and it's possible. The problem was and 662 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: it is now the oil industry. I mean, that's why 663 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: cars are made out of plastic. That's why they run 664 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: on oil. That's that's what we're where. It is because 665 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: it's cheap enough. There the infrastructures in place to produce it. Right, 666 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: There's a there's a thing that happens. We talk about 667 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: this a lot in international affairs or international economic matters. 668 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: There's a thing that happens when you have an economy 669 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: of scale that has inundated an industry or region. You know, 670 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: coal clearly is not the best answer for a lot 671 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,680 Speaker 1: of things, right, but if we have an infrastructure completely 672 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: designed for coal, then it de facto becomes the best 673 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,839 Speaker 1: answer for now. You know. It's like that that old 674 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: joke you see people talking about Mr Wright versus Mr 675 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: Right Now or whatever. Okay, that's on some inspirational memes somewhere, 676 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure, but that is the that's the situation we're 677 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: in now. And this is I'm sure story from history, 678 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: but it has implications for the present and for the future. 679 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 1: A lot of people forget just how powerful the manufacturing 680 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: companies are. And we say manufacturing, we're not talking about 681 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: the people who manufacture stuff directly for you to buy. 682 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: In most cases, we're talking about the places that sell 683 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: to those manufacturers. We're talking about the organizations that own 684 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: those manufacturers. The most powerful companies on this planet are 685 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,360 Speaker 1: the companies that you will rarely ever hear of, and 686 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: it would be nice for us to do a show 687 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: on that in the future if we unless they own 688 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: us too, I don't know. Well, let's talk to I 689 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: g U and see what they have to say. Yeah, well, 690 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: to Checkmination Global Unlimited. But in the meantime, while we're 691 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: writing a letter to them, that reminds us of writing letters, 692 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: which means it's time for shut at Conners. Our first 693 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: message comes from Ashley. The subject line says, putting a 694 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: spy in the USA? Is that a pun in the U. S. Army? 695 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: In the U S Army? The what it says? Uh, 696 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: let's find out. She says, yes. I totally intended that 697 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: title to be a a Putin, as in Vladimir Putin pun. Wow, 698 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: that's great. I thought, all with all the Russia talk, 699 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: I'd get around to sharing this story about my grandfather. 700 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: I've been holding onto this for you all, hoping that 701 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,560 Speaker 1: I'd actually get to sit down and write or record 702 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: this story, but we rarely see each other, and he 703 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: was not at this year's Christmas function for a family 704 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: of hermits. Any who. My grandfather was in the U. S. 705 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: Marines in the late nineteen fifties. He served time in 706 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: the Pacific and also once bummed a cigarette to Lee 707 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald, then known as the idiot who shot himself 708 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: in the foot. Grandpa says foot, history says elbow, and 709 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: apparently he caught a glimpse of an SR. Seventy one 710 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: blackbird and a hangar well before they were public knowledge 711 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 1: and was told to essentially move along. Here's where it 712 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: gets good. Grandpa also talks about a man named Robbie Robinson. Now, 713 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: this gentleman was a quiet man, incredibly bright, but kept 714 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 1: to himself, didn't socialize, and wasn't well liked. He also 715 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: didn't go out with others to bars and other off 716 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: base excursions, but he tended to vanish for periods of 717 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,919 Speaker 1: time by himself. That sounds familiar. Mm hmm. I don't 718 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: remember if Grandpa ever said what role he played. But 719 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 1: after him and his comrades all came home and went 720 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: on with their life, they started to get back in 721 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: touch with old military buddies, except no one knew whatever 722 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 1: happened to good old Robbie Robinson. No one knew where 723 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: he was, what had become of him, and never made 724 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 1: any contact. He was pretty much forgotten until one day, 725 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: many many years ago, Grandpa was watching TV and what 726 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: do you know, there was Robbie Robinson, except this time 727 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: he was a Russian politician and he was calling himself 728 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin. Grandpa claims of this day that the resemblance 729 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: is striking, and with all the recent Russian hacker talk 730 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: and the history of spies between our countries, well, maybe 731 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: what say you? Perhaps an episode dealing with the history 732 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin? H Is it what the history books say? 733 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: Or is there more? I love your podcast, your shows 734 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 1: one of the first ones I found when I started 735 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,839 Speaker 1: listening to them and tech stuff, and I was so 736 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,920 Speaker 1: annoyed that you were the only uh that you were 737 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,680 Speaker 1: only doing videos at the time. Much love. That's very 738 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: very sweet, actually in a cool story about her grandfather. 739 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: Both with Lee are Harvey Oswald and this gentleman that 740 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: may have been a spy and now runs Russia. Yeah. 741 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: I find this fascinating, especially because we don't often talk 742 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: about in the mainstream media. We don't often talk about 743 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: the deep state, and how former President H. W. Bush 744 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: was in charge of the CIA before becoming the President 745 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: of the US, and how Vladimir Putin was in charge 746 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,480 Speaker 1: of the KGB. There is a famous picture of Vladimir 747 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: Putin as a photographer when Ronald Reagan, I believe, visits 748 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: visits Russia one day. I'm going to maybe post that 749 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: in response, will post it somewhere on the internet. But 750 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,719 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you writing it, and I'd love to 751 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: look into that because, honestly, Ashley, the global public doesn't 752 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: know very much about Vladimir Putin's personal life. Here, just 753 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 1: for just for giggles between us, I'll show you guys 754 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: the picture. See there's President Reagan and they're on the 755 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: right the circle. He has more hair in this picture. 756 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: It looks like a like a tourist, like a dad. 757 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: You know. He's got like a striped polo shirt on 758 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: and has a camera around his neck. It's like he's 759 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: a vacationing at Disney World, right right, Maybe he's posing. 760 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,319 Speaker 1: Is that kid's dad? That kid had a weird day. 761 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: But it's common knowledge that there have been embedded spy 762 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,959 Speaker 1: programs in the US and Russia during the Cold War, 763 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,280 Speaker 1: and I'll watch the show The Americans, which concerns itself 764 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 1: with some of that. Next shout out comes from Alex 765 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: Um High conspiracy Guys. First off, I love the show. 766 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for getting me through the work day. I have 767 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,960 Speaker 1: recently been digging into your old podcast and we're listening 768 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,800 Speaker 1: to the one about the JFK assassination. You mentioned that 769 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: there was a classified file with secrets possibly concerning this 770 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,920 Speaker 1: that could be opened by the president in ten. With 771 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: the inauguration in less than two weeks, I was wondering 772 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: if you have heard anything more about this or if 773 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: you think that Trump will release any of this information. Well, 774 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,000 Speaker 1: if he wants to prove that Ted Cruz's dad had 775 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: something to do with it, I sure hope he unseals 776 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: that document. That's just my two sents Um. I also 777 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,440 Speaker 1: listened to both of your episodes on whistleblowers, which I 778 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: found very interesting. With everything going on with the election 779 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: and Russia, it would be great if you could do 780 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: another update on this info, as well as update us 781 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: on the people like Edward Snowden that you had previously 782 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: talked about again. Love the show, Um, Alex, great letter, Alex, 783 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,760 Speaker 1: thank you for writing. We can give a very small 784 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: update on this information. So the thing that we know 785 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: now is that out of the wealth of documentation surrounding 786 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: the JFK assassination, the National Archives released a list in 787 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 1: of three thousand and a hundred, three thousand and sixty 788 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: three documents that have been fully withheld. That's that's the 789 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,839 Speaker 1: way to say it. This doesn't necessarily mean that these 790 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: are all like the first alien contact arrived. It wasn't 791 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: a bullet that went through his head. It was a 792 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,800 Speaker 1: spaceship or anything like that, although that would be really 793 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,240 Speaker 1: strangely cool. What this means is that I just haven't 794 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: released this stuff. We don't know what it is, so 795 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: of course the speculation runs rampant. The documents were listed, 796 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: They were released in response to Freedom of Information Act 797 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: from the political outfit and a group of other researchers 798 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,759 Speaker 1: and organizations. They were all collected by the Assassination Records 799 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: Review Board, and that was something that was created by 800 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 1: a thing called the JFK Records Act. That same act, 801 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: that JFK Records Act, requires that all the documents on 802 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,239 Speaker 1: that list of fully withheld stuff be released by October. 803 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 1: So October of this year is our update, Alex, unless 804 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: the next president decides to keep them classified via executive 805 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,319 Speaker 1: order or something like that. So at this point were 806 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 1: saw on the wire, were several months out from seeing 807 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 1: what these do contain, and the National Archives when they 808 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: released this list of documents, they didn't say, you know 809 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,200 Speaker 1: what's in them at all. We can't emphasize that enough. 810 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,480 Speaker 1: They just said, here are the things that we have 811 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: that you don't know about, which horrible. That's like when 812 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,440 Speaker 1: somebody do you ever get a text from one of 813 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,960 Speaker 1: your friends, It's just like we need to talk. I 814 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: hate that. Just don't just send me the thing. I 815 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: will read your long text message. So our final shout 816 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: out is from Michelle m and Michelle wrote in with 817 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,080 Speaker 1: an interesting question. I want to see what you guys 818 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: think of it. I want to see what you think 819 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: of it as too as well. Listeners. Michelle says, uh, 820 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: great show. Thank you for keeping my mind occupied while 821 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing the kind of work that only uses the 822 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: other half of my brain parentheses. I'm a designer, I've 823 00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: learned a ton, so she says, straight to it, you guys, 824 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000 Speaker 1: should cover weddings. There might not be a huge conspiracy 825 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: theory in there, or maybe there is, but the wedding 826 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: industry definitely makes huge money by making women and girls 827 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: believe from a young age that they need to have 828 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: a beautiful event with all sorts of frills and bells 829 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: and whistles, and they need to be more beautiful than 830 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: humanly possible because it's their special day. And when you 831 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 1: actually look into it, most of the wedding conventions or 832 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,280 Speaker 1: patriarchal or just playing our paic and meaningless now. For example, 833 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 1: brides originally carried a bouquet to mask the stench of 834 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: their poor hygiene back in the day when people stank 835 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: all the time, but now bouquets and flowers for for decoration, 836 00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: and they're seen as a convention that the wedding industry 837 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,760 Speaker 1: keeps pushing because they make so much money from people 838 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,120 Speaker 1: buying hugely marked up flowers. As you may have guessed, 839 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: says Michelle, I'm engaged in planning my wedding. Well, hey, 840 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: you know what, congratulations for sure, it's huge congratulations Michelle. 841 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: And yet even though I know all these traditions are 842 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,120 Speaker 1: meaningless and patriarchal and taking my money. I'm still doing them. Uh. 843 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: And she talks a little more in detail about this industry, 844 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 1: since she sums it up by saying, so, basically, the 845 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: wedding industry has brainwashed almost all women in this country 846 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,720 Speaker 1: many others. Please tell me how they did it, because 847 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,880 Speaker 1: my emotions have definitely been manipulated for profit. I've been 848 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,919 Speaker 1: conditioned to want stupid and expensive things. I was gonna 849 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,839 Speaker 1: say that reminds me of the diamonds episode. And she 850 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: mentions that right here that we've already covered diamonds and 851 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: may have covered weddings, but now I don't believe we 852 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,280 Speaker 1: have in this uh, in this amount of debt, we 853 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: we have not, And it would it would be great 854 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,600 Speaker 1: to get some of our colleagues in on this to 855 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,680 Speaker 1: who might have more expertise. I mean, my position on 856 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: the whole thing is like, you can make your wedding 857 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,279 Speaker 1: whatever you want it to be sure. I mean, I 858 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,879 Speaker 1: think you it's easy to feel susceptible to these pie 859 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: in the sky big wedding special day scenarios, But I 860 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: mean you can have a family affair and invite your 861 00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,200 Speaker 1: friends and do the dicorrection decoration yourself, or get some 862 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,520 Speaker 1: crafty friends to help you and have it be just wonderful, 863 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, like that's what my wedding was. Like, I 864 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: would say it depends on your family, because in my experience, 865 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 1: weddings are about the family, like appeasing the family whatever 866 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 1: their wishes are, more than the individual, uh couple getting married. 867 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: I don't like that. We can also, I just wanted 868 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: not to be too Luciferian about it, but you are 869 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,360 Speaker 1: not beholden to other people except for the one you're marrying, 870 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: right ideally, So if you want to just elope and 871 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: then take the money you would have spent and have 872 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 1: an adventure around the world with someone you love. I 873 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe if I was in someone's family and 874 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we're not doing a wedding because we're 875 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,279 Speaker 1: going to spend the money traveling the world, I'd be like, 876 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: that's amazing, that's great what that will spend. Plus yeah, 877 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: Plus it means that I don't have to go somewhere 878 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,160 Speaker 1: and interact in a crowd. I'm all about that. I 879 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 1: will kick my feet up, I will write some creepy 880 00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: horror fiction, and I will think of you guys. God 881 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:35,839 Speaker 1: speed or Matt Speed, as we often say here, and 882 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:42,560 Speaker 1: that ends our gosh, it also ends out and that's 883 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,640 Speaker 1: the end of this classic episode. 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