WEBVTT - Leading Off: Is Dylan Cease Now The Cy Young Favorite? (Ep. 1362) 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.479 What's going on? Everybody, Welcome into Fantasy pros. This is 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.760 leading off live the Fantasy Baseball Podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:15.200 Joel Rico, joined by Casey Bubba once again, and today 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.599 we're gonna bring you all the baseball news that you 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.320 can possibly take here on a Friday. Happy Friday, everybody. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.880 Really nice way to end off the week talking baseball 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.080 with Bubba. I did miss the show the other day. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.880 I was recovering, as you guys have joked about on 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:34.040 the podcast the other day. Oh I still listen. I 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.519 still listen even when I'm not here. I hear all 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.880 the slander from you and Welsh, but no, seriously, I 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.839 went to see the Food Fighters, phenomenal show. I recommend 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.680 everybody those see your favorite bands if they're coming to town, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.600 even if it feels expensive, go and see your favorite bands. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.040 Bubba can probably speak to this as well. I think 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.360 Lars Ulrich has a wing on his home just because 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.200 of Bubba going to see Metallica shows. So, Bubba, I 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.080 hope you guys had a good time on Wednesday. But 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.480 it's gonna be back in the saddle with you. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.760 My friend. To be back with you, it's I always 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:03.400 tell my friends, if I'm not giving you a hard 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.080 times because I don't care. So that's why we were 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.000 messing with you being out. And yes, Metalie already got 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.959 my tickets to see him with his sphere for two nights, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.280 So I understand if you live music, there's not a 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.360 whole lot of things that are better. Maybe a baseball game, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:18.760 which we'll get to you, but live music is pretty 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:19.920 sweet and you look like you had a heck of 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.120 a time, so good for you. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.760 Yeah. Dave Grohl's a personal hero as a kid growing up, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.520 love Nirvana, a love the Food Fighters. It's been it's 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.880 been a cool year for concerts, but I want bore everybody. 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.039 We have the time stamps. Skip ahead two minutes into 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.720 the show, and we're gonna start off here as the 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.880 resident Blue Jays homer with mister Dylan sees, how can 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.720 we start anywhere else? Even if I wasn't a Blue 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.000 Jays homer, I think I'd probably still be starting with Dylan. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.520 See's another cy Young worthy performance against the Cubs on Thursday. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.480 Seven shutout innings, two hits, striking out ten. The Jays 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.120 did end up blowing it for him, which is very 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.400 twenty twenty six Blue Jays, but he's sitting on a 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.320 two twenty eight ERA and a one zero five whip 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.440 over his twenty one starts this season. I got some 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.400 trivia here, some fun not so fun facts, I guess 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.720 for Jay's fans in a second. But but first off, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.600 what have you thought of Dylan Cees this year and 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.320 at this point as the cy young in the American League? 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:08.880 His to win? 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.400 First off, I've been team ceased for years and I've battled. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.679 There's been years. I feel like I'm John Snow in 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.760 Game of Thrones fighting people because it's like, oh, his commands, 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.400 this his commands that you know what I'm talking about 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.240 as a Cease fan, But I level what we're seeing 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.920 from Ceas. He's pounding innings yet again, he's racking up 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.200 a ton of strikeouts yet again. I know people hated 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.200 the two hundred or more k's and x amount of 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.120 straight seasons. People hated that we'll get used to it, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:35.200 so it's going to add another year after this one. 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.560 He's been nothing short of out standing yet again, and 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.960 it's like, you know, some years the whip will be high, 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.120 but this year it's not. And to your point, the 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.440 cy Young he should be definitely near the top of 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.200 the list, especially with mister scuball out of town. Now, 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:50.840 Seas should have just walked right through that front door. 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.280 Yeah, Dylan Cees is a guy that I was kind 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.200 of interested in coming into the season. I didn't think 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.480 he would be this good, But he has followed this 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.800 pattern going back to twenty twenty one, really when he 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.519 became a full time starter, alternating the even and odd 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.919 years and looking at what he's done, whether he wins 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.600 the cy young or not, Cease is going to be 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.839 in the top three of voting top four I got 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.639 absolute worse. It feels like top three. Will he be 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.760 a fade for you next year? Because the price will 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.560 be back up into the probably second, third, fourth round 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.240 type of range. For me personally, he's a guy I 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.520 want to buy after the bad years. Buying him after 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:28.440 the good years he feels a little bit risky given 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.200 the volatility. So do you think you'll be in on 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.639 Cease as a presumptive top thirty, top forty pick next year? 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.360 Uh? Probably just for a couple of Like I'm in 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.760 on Seas pretty much every year. I understand the increase 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.440 in price is a question, but when we're looking at 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.840 pitching in general, there's like two or three guys we 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.240 think we can trust, and we thought that was Scuball, 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.080 Crochet and Skins this year so far, Scoobl's about it 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.000 in that regard. Skins is even fluttering right now, still 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.320 very good with fluttering. And then it's just like a 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:58.880 pool of what do we have here? And you know, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.240 if the only thing I have to worry about his 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.840 potential ratio issues with season, that's a big deal. I'm 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.440 not like this talking down on it. You know who 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.840 you what you're getting with Ceasebard injury, and that's like 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.000 a lot to be said with an early pitching pick. 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.880 So I'll probably still be in unceas and if he 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:15.800 does fall around four, I'll be very happy with that. 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.360 Yeah, I think I'm talking to myself more and more 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:23.800 into him. It's a very very big season from him 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.479 in terms of strikeouts. He's always been a big strikeout guy, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.080 but up to thirty six percent of something we haven't 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.080 never seen from him. Thirty one point nine was his 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.880 previous high. The whip down at one oh four is 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.400 the lowest that we've ever seen from Dylan Sees. His 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.280 sierra has never been below three, and it is this season, 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.520 so it does seem like he is an improved version 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.960 of himself this year. And I do have a little 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.960 bit of a fun fan. Not so fun fact for 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.479 any other Jays fans listening, but it got me thinking 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.280 about Jays cy Young's over the years and the seasons 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.200 that have happened when the Jays do have the cy 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.800 Young winner and going back nineteen ninety six, Pat Henkin 0:04:58.000 --> 0:04:59.920 won the cy Young for the Jays. They go seventy 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.680 four and eighty eight and missed the playoffs. Roger Clemens. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.159 The next year ninety seven Cy Young Jays go seventy 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.600 six and eighty six, missed the playoffs. The next year 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:10.279 Roger Clemens ninety eight, the Jays won three consecutive cy 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:12.080 Young's and the Jays once again missed the playoffs. In 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.400 ninety eight, a better season at eighty eight and seventy four, 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:17.760 then Doc Halliday and three Cy Young the Jays go 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.520 eighty six and seventy six, missed the playoffs. Robbie Ray 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.599 In twenty twenty one, the Jays go ninety one and 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.760 seventy one and probably should have made the playoffs, but 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.240 they were just the odd team out so there have 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.400 been all of these sy youngs in Jay's history, and 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.080 not a single team has made the playoffs. And it 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.120 looks like we're going to continue the pattern this year. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:34.400 But but what do you think about that? I know 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.440 it's a stupid little piece of trivia, but I couldn't 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.080 help myself today looking at that one. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.120 I saw this on a sheet and in the second 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.240 you started talking like, and you wonder why they can't 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.080 get rid of the Jays homersm on this show. But 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.640 it's it is a nasty trend. I know a lot 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.720 of like people in the bettings fhere, like I'm probably 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.159 even on betting pros, go, oh, trends are trans bub 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.200 like they all think it's it's something you can't follow. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.919 But that's pretty substantial right there, and it will follow 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.560 suit this season. So that is pretty crazy to think 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.840 about that. You know, it reminds me of you want 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.880 to flip into MVPs when a Rod won the MVP 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:07.560 with the Rangers and they're like the worst team in 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.479 all of baseball. It's like, how do you have the 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.480 best hitter or the best pitcher and you still can't 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.160 even Like the Jays aren't even really sniffing the playoffs, 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:16.480 which is great, Like it's it's really odd to have 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.960 that kind of dominance and still struggle. 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.800 And probably, you know, maybe not the best reliever in 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.160 baseball and Louis Varland, but like a top three reliever, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.920 and they're just pissing away that season, pissing away cease. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:31.000 But it's what we've come accustomed to this year in Toronto. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.440 I do want to talk about a non Blue Jay, 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.240 and that's fran Ra Valdez. Although a very good point 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.800 brought up in the chat here by game OV Mike Trout, 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.120 all those MVP years totally waited for the Angels and 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:43.919 Otani's for the I think they have five MVPs in 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.919 the span of ten years and didn't make the playoffs 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.480 in any of them. So it's dark. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:50.200 Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's really bad. 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.920 It's pretty bad. I do want to talk about something 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.120 a little bit brighter, and that's fraan Er Valdes. His 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.400 first dominant start, maybe of the entire year. It was 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.160 seven shutout innings, five hits, and struck out five. It 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.279 was the first time he pitched shutout ball since June sixteen, 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.440 when he went six innings against the Astros, his old team, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.280 but probably it's been a pretty poor year from Framber Valdez. 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:13.960 His ERA is over four for the first time going 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.120 back really ever as a full time starter. The previous 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:18.880 time it was was in twenty nineteen, when he was 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.360 a starter and reliever his happy fun ball. He was 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.160 still young, so you can kind of forgive him for that, 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.520 But this is a legit bad season. The strikeouts were 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.960 never really amazing to begin with, there around league gaverage, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.960 and now he's down to eighteen percent. The whip is 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.680 at one thirty seven after a one twenty four last season. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.960 What do we think is wrong with Framber Valdez? Is 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.400 he simply just passed his peak a little bit here? 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.200 Is it just a regular bad season, first year of 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.920 a new contract. What do you chalk this all up 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:48.880 to his struggles in twenty twenty six? 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:53.880 Karma, I guess I don't know we can start there 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:59.640 or you wanted actual analysis? Sorry, yeah, VALDEZI it's one 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.760 of those. He's thirty two years old. One thing that 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.080 always made him very, very, you know, serviceable for fantasy purposes. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.920 He'd need innings, tons of ground balls, tons of ground balls. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.360 Ground Balls can be volatile for the babib world. But 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.760 he survived that, and he also got enough swing and 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.920 miss to make things work. Like right now is swing 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.160 and miss. His swinging strike rate's low ten percent, and 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.400 yesterday's quote unquote dominating start he had a four point 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.680 two percent swinging strike rate. That's called running real, pure folks, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.160 and that that kind of sums up because he's not 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.120 going to overpower people on the mound. So if he's 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.560 not getting in the ground balls are slightly down. There's 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:35.120 still abovely gatherage, but for Framber's style, it's down, so 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.840 you're getting less flyball or less ground balls, less swing 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.520 and miss. Stuff's not that dominant. He's going to get 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.560 in trouble, and he's fighting that trouble this year, and 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.319 my surprise, I guess not Like did you think it 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.040 happened this fast? 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.079 Probably not as well though, so is he The way 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.760 you're talking, it sounds like he'll be a full fade 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:52.679 for you going in next year. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:54.360 Do you think he was a fade for me this year? 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.040 I have zero Frambers, So yeah, I'm pretty much done 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.480 with him. If he figures it out, I'll tip my cap. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.120 But yeah, I'm not in on fram ravalve this going forward. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.400 I don't think I can be either. I just I 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.440 tend to target guys more often than not who are 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.280 going to give you a ton of strikeouts have the 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.280 ability to give you a ton of strikeouts, and that's 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.720 kind of the building block for me from a fantasy 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.400 point of view. If you're not striking guys out, you 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.319 have to be so elite in so many other categories 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.720 for me to be interested in you. And this doesn't 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.400 seem like anything is going right for Framber this year. 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.000 It was a good start yesterday, but doesn't change a 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.000 lot for me going forward. I do want to talk 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.200 about Bryce Miller, and this will be somewhat of a 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.560 deep dive here. I don't know what's happened to him 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.760 over the last few starts. Hell lot five hits, walk 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.040 to and allot four runs over five innings against those Tigers, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.600 and this season has really collapsed so far. If you 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.480 look at what he did to start the season, he 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.520 was unbelievable. His first eight starts of the year. He 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.760 had a one to seventy one ERA, he had a 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.000 point six six whip and he had a thirty percent 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.920 strikeout to walk great in his five starts he's made 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.680 since then, it's a five eighty one ERA, it's a 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.880 one fifty two whip, and it's a five percent strikeout 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.840 to walk. Right, It's truly baffling. Coming into the season, 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.720 we didn't expect much from Bryce Miller. He has this 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.720 increased velocity, looks like the best pitcher in baseball, and 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.320 now he's looked awful for the last several starts. What 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:18.840 do you make of him? Bubble, because I see this 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:20.960 and I think there's got to be some kind of 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:21.960 injury going on here. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:24.640 That's the only thing that can make sense. Because I 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.080 kind of pulled up some some stats I like to 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.079 look at from pitching, and yeah, the ERA and the XCRA, 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.199 like over the last month it's five eight one ERA, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.760 five six nine x CIRA. That's similar to Sierra for 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.839 those who keep track at home. But you mentioned the 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.040 five percent k to walk, because it's a fourteen percent 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.800 k rate. That's it's baffling. But then I look at 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.040 it and it's like the same ball Percentagury hesed to 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.480 a thirty four percent swinging strike Rate's still ten percent 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.400 on the season's thirteen point two, so a minor dip, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.920 but should it be that volatile? Probably not. Velocity's got 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.120 It's still ninety five Fords ninety six to one on 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.720 the season, so it's not like that's crazy. His ground 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.480 ball rates similar like so many things that in line 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.040 don't just jump off the page, which then leads to 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.280 the point you're making. Is there an injury and that's 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.040 what I want. I'm wondering with him, And we've talked 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.240 about the home road splits with the Manners, but hey, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.280 he was at home yesterday, folks, so that is a concern. Also, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.920 we know he came off the injury this year. Is 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:21.920 he fully healthy? I don't know. But you know what 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:26.160 that sound you hear right in the background, that's the 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.079 Kate Anderson siren coming on. Because Bryce Miller might need 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.480 a breather or at worst a piggyback situation. And we 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.040 know how much Bryce Miller likes those, he's a big fan. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.000 But that might be coming into the freight pretty soon. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.559 I think it probably should. I mean, it's a very 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.360 weird trajectory. After Bryce Miller at the end of last 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.960 season got hurt, he came back in the playoffs. He 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.640 threw a really good game in the ALCS against the Jays. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.200 I think there was Game one, maybe Game two, and 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.960 then I don't think there was much interest throughout the offseason. Really, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.040 he wasn't that expensive, nobody really expected much out of him. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.760 It's just a weird trajectory, and I think maybe in 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.560 the off season we'll get some clarity. He was trying 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:04.840 to pitch through something, he wasn't fully healed coming into 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.400 the year, et cetera. But this is very strange, and 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.560 I think I'd have to agree with Lee that he's 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.400 probably a drop. I know it feels crazy after the stats. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.599 I was rhyming off earlier in the season. You know, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.439 zero point six whip and all that, But is he 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.719 a drop across the board? Bobba? Even in fifteen's for. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:23.040 You, fifteen's is tricky just because there's not a lot 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.960 of options. But I did my fab show yesterday with Ryan, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.640 and there's a lot more fifteen options this week than 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.400 usual do to trade deadline and other stuff. So there 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:36.320 are discussions like he got Lezynski coming in from Pittsburgh, 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.800 you got Dobbins for Saint Louis, you got Tidwell for 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.000 the Giants, Like there's gonna be a bunch of fifteen 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:46.160 options which do make Bryce Miller potentially drop fifteen twelves 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.319 and below. Yes, you can move on from him. This 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:49.760 is the time of year. You don't wait around and 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:51.600 see what happens. 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.840 Yeah, I know, it's really tricky, especially with name brand 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.000 type of guys. Christian Yelich is a guy who's in 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:58.600 the side. I've gotten a ton of questions about he's 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:00.880 on my ten team waiver wires. I pick up Yellichhi 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.880 Bilo on him, and it's like usually i'd see that, 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.080 it's like Yellowich is on the waiver wire, like what 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:07.319 the hell is going on? But it's like, you know, 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:09.160 it makes sense. He's been awful this year. He got 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:12.360 all the back stuff. It's certain name values you have 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.440 to detach from the actual production of the player, and 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.800 I think Bryce Miller is one of those situations. Right now. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.080 Let's move on and let's talk about Foster Griffin, who's 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.720 also had a little bit of a tough time recently. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.720 He had his Guardian's debut and lasted just four innings, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.959 allowed seven hits, a couple of walks. He got lit 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.920 up for five earned runs. This is now back to 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.120 back bad starts for him. He's a lot of eleven 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.800 earned runs in his last two starts. The previous twenty 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:39.120 one starts was thirty eight earned runs for the entire 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.160 duration of the season before that. Has he lost some 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.360 steam here, Bubba? I know he felt like a popular 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:48.240 regression candidate. Not the biggest stuff guy, not the biggest velocity, 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.320 et cetera, et cetera. I saw Nick Pollock dropped him 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.199 about twenty spots in his starting Pincher rankings from the 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.520 previous update. Are we really concerned about Foster Griffin or 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.040 is this more just a blip on the radar. We 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.839 don't want to say I'm not concerned, but I want 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:03.560 to see a little more with him. Like, if you 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:07.440 don't want to start him, that's fine, I totally get it. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.439 But there's there's always the like a lot of people 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.680 love to just look at the numbers on their computer, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:14.960 and that's what it is, and that's fine, gets you 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.640 a lot of good places, but when it comes to 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.760 like the game of baseball, there's also the mental factor. 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.440 To me at Foster Griffin flat out said the last 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.360 start in Washington, he knew he was going to get 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.800 traded and it messed with him, like he was they 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.360 gave him a shot to come back in the BIGS, 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.320 like all these things. He talked about it, like very openly. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:32.680 First start with the new team, he struggles, like I'm 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.160 wondering if there's like a transition going on here in 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.480 his brain. Again, not great analysis, but I think there 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.920 could be something to that because the drop off was 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.080 steep and it's a back to back starts. But similar 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.440 to Bryce Miller, like, it's still like it's it's a 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.480 four percent walk right over the last month, eight percent 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.120 over the last in his last start, so it's a 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.200 little higher than you see, but still he's pounding the zone. Swing, 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.600 the miss was a little down, a little more fly balls. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.240 So I'd like to see another starter or too before 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.240 I panic with Fluster Griffin. But if you don't want 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.960 to start, and I totally get it, Yeah, I think, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.240 especially looking at the schedule, his next start, his lineup 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.240 to come against the Tigers, and I think the perception 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.840 around the Tigers is they're no good, they sold off, 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.360 blah blah blah. Over the last three weeks, the Tigers 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.960 have the highest WRC plus as a team, a one 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.960 thirty w RC plus. They're hitting two eighty four over 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.760 the last twenty game, so they're not such a cupcake 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.760 matchup right now. I think that he is at least 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.840 a sit for the time being for that next one, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.640 just because of how hot the Tigers have been, and 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.680 we take it from there. It's catcher time and this 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.720 is not just Bubba centric. I do want to talk 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.120 about Dylan Dingler even if Bubba wasn't here, but it's 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.640 perfect we get the catcher expert here. Dylan Dingler has 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.360 become one of my favorite players to watch. He had 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.040 himself another massive day, three for six. He hit his 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.400 oney sixth home run of the season. He's now slashing 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.560 two seventy eight, three forty one, five thirty six. That 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.920 is an eight seventy seven ops. And the question I 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.920 pose here and people will probably say, are you insane 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:03.359 Joe for even asking, but is Dylan Dingler approaching superstar territory? 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.640 The only players with a higher winsbub replacement this season 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.800 are Jordan Alvarez, who has him edged byero point one 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.080 with an extra eight games, and then Peter Armstrong who 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:14.480 is well ahead. And then I guess if you can 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.840 buy o tawny pitcher and batter, then he would be 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.080 slightly ahead. But that is the company that Dylan Dingler 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.440 is keeping a higher winsbub replacement this year than Bobby 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.080 Wood Junior, than James Wood, Camon narow Elliet, et cetera, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.320 et cetera. Are we looking at the next catching superstar here, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.320 Bubba considering what he does on both sides the plate. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.680 Yes, that's Dylan Dirk Dingler for those at home that 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:40.200 aren't aware, but he's He's awesome. I was a big 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.680 fan of him as a catcher too, just because of 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.240 his price tag this year. I picked him up everywhere 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.000 when he got promoted last year. The hit tool is legit. 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.360 It was the playing time, and the playing time's there 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.600 because even going into this year, the reason he fell 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.280 in drafts is during spring training he was dealing with 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.000 I believe, like a shoulder injury or something. So people 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.720 were kind of nervous. But we always know a spring 0:16:57.760 --> 0:16:59.760 injuries like how bad are they? Like, what do we 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.760 really know? We don't And he's proven to be just fine. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.760 He is the next best thing. And he's playing in 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.639 a pitcher's ballpark for crying out aloud, like imagine if 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.720 he was hanging out with Goodman in company like you 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.320 look at Player Raiders. Right now, Dylan Dingler is the 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.399 third catcher off the board, behind Ben Rice and Hunter Goodman, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.800 and then there's a drop off a decent one to 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.040 the next one at Drake Baldwin. Dingler's awesome. This is 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.359 the next one of the next best things. It's something 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.600 I've like, you know, you gave me my catcher's a soapbox. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.560 This is your fault. But when I get to when 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.000 I get to break down catchers, and I've done it 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.920 a lot over the last like five or six years, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.760 there's been a youth movement at catcher and Dingler was 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.440 one that I kind of looked at about three years 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.360 ago and it was one of those when when will 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.160