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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. OO. Welcome man now number two Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. So you are all aware, we

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Speaker 1: will be rolling on what should be the story of

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Speaker 1: the day. That is, the irs whistleblowers publicly testifying about

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Speaker 1: the sham investigation of Hunter Biden relating to all of

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Speaker 1: his tax crimes. The reports are that not only was

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden not prosecuted to the full extent of the

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Speaker 1: law or even close to it, that there were actually

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Speaker 1: tips that went out about the process underway of the

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Speaker 1: investigation to let Hunter Biden try to avoid any consequences

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Speaker 1: for his behavior and or remove any evidence that might

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Speaker 1: have further solidified his criminal behavior. So that is going

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Speaker 1: on as we speak. We will certainly be following that

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Speaker 1: discussing the ramifications of that testimony. And Buck, I think

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Speaker 1: this is important because putting the whistleblowers out in public

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Speaker 1: and allowing everybody to see and hear them and allow

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Speaker 1: them to be questioned and tell their story, it's quite

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Speaker 1: a bit more substantial than the reports of behind closed

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Speaker 1: doors testimony which have so far been shared. It becomes

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Speaker 1: more difficult to disparage. And it's also really funny because

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Speaker 1: every time a whistleblower came forward in any way relating

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Speaker 1: to the Trump administration, they were heralded as heroes on

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Speaker 1: the front page of the New York Times and the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post for daring to speak out at great peril

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Speaker 1: to themselves against the evil Donald Trump administration. Now that

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Speaker 1: that precedent has been set, it will be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see how the Washington Post and the New York Times

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Speaker 1: cover both of these individuals going fully public with their

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Speaker 1: allegations of a rig job associated with the investigation. And significantly,

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Speaker 1: for those of you out there who are saying, okay,

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Speaker 1: where does this go, because I do think it's a

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Speaker 1: good question. There is expected to be testimony today that

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Speaker 1: these IRS agents and the investigation itself was not allowed

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Speaker 1: to pursue any connection to Joe Biden himself. So Democrats

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Speaker 1: have tried to build a Chinese wall, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: between Hunter and Joe Biden and argue, oh, Hunter Biden, well,

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Speaker 1: he was a drug addict, but he's just the President's son.

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Speaker 1: There was never any criminal culpability or connection between Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden and Hunter Biden. I think that is in many

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Speaker 1: ways certainly a falsehood based on the evidence out there,

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Speaker 1: But when this story is shared from both these men,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be harder to argue that

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has not been involved in the activities of

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Speaker 1: the Biden crime family. So that is underway as we speak.

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Speaker 1: I just wish these hearings were in primetime, is the

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Speaker 1: only thing that I wish I could change on it.

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Speaker 2: I think that also part of this is that as

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Speaker 2: the we get more information about it, it's worth reminding

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Speaker 2: everyone that I don't think a single Democrat will change

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Speaker 2: their minds based on whatever level of corruption Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: is even found to be involved in here with Hunter,

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Speaker 2: that this is effectively now just considered part of the

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Speaker 2: deal and you've got to just go along with it.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty discouraging for the country, but I do I

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Speaker 2: do think that is where we are, meaning there's nothing

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Speaker 2: that's going to come out of this. They're saying, I

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Speaker 2: just I'm watching this in the background as the hearing

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Speaker 2: is live. They've got thousands of pages of bank records.

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Speaker 2: Even if they find that there's ten percent for the

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Speaker 2: big guy, they'll say, well.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know.

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Speaker 2: It's not illegal, and Joe Biden is, you know, still

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Speaker 2: our choice.

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Speaker 3: That's where they are, at least right now.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the challenge as we move towards twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four to be fair on both sides, is what

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Speaker 1: actually moves people who are persuadable? Because I think you

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Speaker 1: probably agree with me, Buck, there's probably forty five percent

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Speaker 1: motivation and all of those things are factors here too,

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Speaker 1: but at best there's ten percent of people who are

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Speaker 3: What actually makes those people move?

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Speaker 1: And does anything that happens in twenty twenty three, whether

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Speaker 1: the Biden crime family, do either of those stories move

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Speaker 1: in any way those independent voters in either direction? And

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Speaker 1: the bigger question is will any of it still matter

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Speaker 1: in November and October when the ballots are actually being

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Speaker 1: cast and the twenty twenty four presidential election is officially underway.

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Speaker 1: Those questions we don't know, but we do know that

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Speaker 1: there is a total double standard on what you're allowed

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Speaker 1: to say in media if you are a liberal, if

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Speaker 1: to be a Trump supporter. Jason Aldean, I think, unabashedly,

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Speaker 1: He has been Tomorrow Lago several times. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that he's getting attacked. He is a

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Speaker 1: country music superstar and he has a song out along

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Speaker 1: with a video. The video is filmed just down the

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Speaker 1: their courthouse, and it is an anthem against the idea

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Speaker 1: of riot's violent crime. I want to play it for

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Speaker 1: you because I think a lot of you are going

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Speaker 1: to hear this and you're going to say, how in

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Speaker 1: the world is this remotely considered controversial? And as we

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Speaker 1: prepare to play those lyrics, CMT Country Music Television, which

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Speaker 1: is based in Tennessee, in Nashville, Tennessee, my hometown, they

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Speaker 1: have pulled this video off the air because they have

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Speaker 1: decided it is too inflammatory and too controversial. Listen scoff

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Speaker 1: on the flag and love of up.

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Speaker 4: Think it's try that in a small town CFFI you

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Speaker 4: make it down the road.

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Speaker 3: Around here, we.

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Speaker 2: Take care of our own.

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Speaker 4: You cross Satelle, it won't take long for you to

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Speaker 4: find that.

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Speaker 3: I Rendomnu.

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Speaker 4: Don't try that in a small tail. Got gone that

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Speaker 4: my granddad gave me. D see one day that's gone

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Speaker 4: around lets it might fly to see that. Good luck.

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Speaker 4: Try that in a small town, CFFI.

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Speaker 1: You make it okay, So the idea there. You can

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Speaker 1: get a pretty good sense of what that song sounds like.

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Speaker 3: It's a catchy tune.

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, Jason av Dean, he's got a

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Speaker 2: new fan catchy catchy tune there?

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: So this song now is skyrocketing up the charts. I

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Speaker 1: sound like Casey casem there and Rest in Peace play.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be number one. I do think it's

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Speaker 1: I do think it's I think it is number one. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think it is number one right now. And so

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Speaker 1: to me, this is interesting, Buck, because what I would

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this last night with Jesse Waters

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Speaker 1: on Fox News. Taylor Swift Buck. I am a fan

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Speaker 1: of Taylor Swift's music. I think she is and people

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Speaker 1: out there I am Taylor Swiftbody don't be the only

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Speaker 1: thing here. Yeah. I like Taylor Swift. I think Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift is talented. I think her music is often very catchy.

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Speaker 1: I have been to a Taylor Swift concert with my

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Speaker 1: wife before. Taylor Swift lives in Nashville, my hometown. She's

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Speaker 1: super lib. She's endorsed left wing politicians in the state

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Speaker 1: of Tennessee, who, by the way, get trounced. Thankfully, she

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Speaker 1: has already voted for the new mayor in Nashville. I

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Speaker 1: but I feel quite confident that she and I would

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Speaker 1: not be supporting the same candidates. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: that anything that Taylor Swift says should be canceled in

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Speaker 1: a song. And I'll go beyond country music. Right, you

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Speaker 1: can say Taylor Swift is more popped than country. Fine

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Speaker 1: every rapper rappers if you go. Look, it wasn't very

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Speaker 1: long ago that WAP, which stands for wet ass. We

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Speaker 1: can't say that word on the radio. The lyrics are

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Speaker 1: unbelievably ridiculous. Okay, is the most vulgar song any of

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Speaker 1: us have ever heard in our entire lives without question

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Speaker 1: the single most vulgar song. Yeah, I would defend that

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Speaker 1: song being able to exist because I I don't want

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Speaker 1: can't listen to that. You can't read that as an adult,

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Speaker 3: There was a very.

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Speaker 2: Popular rap song where they were saying, hug the police,

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Speaker 2: but they weren't saying hug.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And so look, I understand people can choose

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Speaker 1: not to support that kind of music and think that

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Speaker 1: it is bad for the country. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: government should be in the business of taking away people's

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Speaker 1: ability to choose what they want to listen to. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think that CMT or b E T or

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Speaker 2: I think the censorship part of it is a little

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Speaker 2: bit less of the thing though, as the they're calling

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Speaker 2: it racist, Clay, what is racist about this song? He's talking,

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Speaker 2: They're using news footage of you know, buildings that are

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Speaker 2: burning or whatever. The accusation here is that there's something

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Speaker 2: that is racially insensive and sensitive about it. Here you go,

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Speaker 2: CBS News writes another person that don't tell who it is,

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Speaker 2: describe it as a modern lynching song.

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Speaker 3: I know. Okay.

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Speaker 2: That is the quote from CBS News that they decided

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Speaker 2: to share about this.

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Speaker 3: You sit there, you go.

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Speaker 2: He's just saying, don't you know, don't attackle old ladies,

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Speaker 2: don't burn down buildings. There's nothing about race in the song.

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Speaker 3: There is.

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Speaker 2: There's no clear depiction of anyone, you know, specifically of

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Speaker 2: I saw. I watched the music video last night. A

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Speaker 2: you know, racially speaking. And yet they're saying it's racist. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you sit here and you say, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: Why is the assumption from the left, let's be honest,

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Speaker 2: from democrats, that this is somehow a racist song when

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Speaker 2: it's just saying, don't burn down things, don't attack people,

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: Here's the opening, by the way of the song. We

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Speaker 1: didn't play this exactly, but this is the first verse.

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Speaker 1: And I'm reading this sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk,

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Speaker 1: it's cool, will act a fool if you like, cuss

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Speaker 1: and light it up. Yeah, you think you're tough. Try

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Speaker 1: that in a small town. See how far you make

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Speaker 1: it down the road. Round here, we take care of

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Speaker 1: our own. You cross that line, it won't take long

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Speaker 1: for you to find out. I recommend you don't try

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Speaker 1: that in a small town. So that's literally the opening

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Speaker 1: of the song. And there's no mention of race of

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Speaker 1: any kind in any of that whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: There's no mention.

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Speaker 1: And actually it's racist to impute race, right because then

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Speaker 1: you're imputing behavior to minorities and saying that that is

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Speaker 1: what is being implied here. What I think this is

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Speaker 1: a I am not an expert on country music. I'm

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Speaker 1: not an expert on any kind of music, but I

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Speaker 1: do know that a very much of a staple of

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Speaker 1: country music is the idea of embracing and embodying small

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Speaker 1: in big city is certainly emblematic of the culture that

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: It's not because of the violence. It's because of the

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Speaker 3: But that's why, that's why they're so power.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, good things happen in these days.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 3: So some shoes drop in here.

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Speaker 1: We were discussing with Jim Jordan in the first hour

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Speaker 1: coming forward and explaining that Hunter Biden has received preferential treatment.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things we were discussing with Jim

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Speaker 1: Jordan was, how will the quote unquote legacy media, the

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Speaker 1: and buck this just popped one minute ago. CBS News

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Speaker 1: exclusive Hunter Biden IRS whistleblower Joseph Ziggler, who has now

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Speaker 1: Ziggler tells CBS that he is a lifelong Democrat, said

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Speaker 1: This guy Buck again, lifelong Democrat outing in many ways

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Speaker 2: Can I can I just give a slightly more cynical perspective, Clay.

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Speaker 1: You you definitely.

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Speaker 3: I try to be the ray of sun showing here

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Speaker 1: A little bit of hope. And then you are the

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Speaker 2: But here's the challenge. Here's the problem. It reminds me

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Speaker 1: Trying trying to part the clouds, trying to part the clouds.

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Speaker 1: July twenty sixth. I believe the judge has to sign

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Speaker 3: I just think that all of this.

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Speaker 2: It's none of this is a surprise, right, This is

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Speaker 3: I mean this, this is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as we're talking about all this, the whole

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Speaker 3: Nobody is above the law.

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Speaker 2: Correct, And every time the Democrats say this, there is

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Speaker 1: It is a crystallizing distillation of two tiers of justice

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Speaker 1: to build this huge Chinese wall between Hunter Biden and

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden and argue that there's no connection whatsoever between

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden actions and Joe Biden. And actually this IRS

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Speaker 1: whistleblower who was speaking out today. Ziggler said in his

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Speaker 1: sit down CBS interview, which just dropped on social media

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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes ago, they weren't allowed to consider

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Speaker 1: whether Joe Biden was involved in these crimes at all.

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Speaker 1: Listen to what he told CBS. Did you uncover evidence

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Speaker 1: that President Biden financially benefited from his son's deals.

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Speaker 6: I don't feel comfortable answering that question. Anytime we potentially

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Speaker 6: wanted to go down the road of asking questions related

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Speaker 6: to the president, it was that's going to take too

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Speaker 6: much approvals. We can't ask those questions, And I mean

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Speaker 6: it created an environment that was very hard to deal with.

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Speaker 2: It's a politically sensitive case, wouldn't it require additional approvals?

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Speaker 6: Yes, I do understand that aspect, but it would be like, well,

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Speaker 6: let's think about it. Let's put that on the back burner.

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Speaker 2: The old Potomac two step, my man, the bureaucratic slow roll.

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Speaker 2: Exactly as we've been saying, it was probably happening. Now

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Speaker 2: you're hearing from the guy who was in the middle

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Speaker 2: of it. It's exactly what was happening. What does this

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Speaker 2: remind everybody of, Oh, you know, we were going slow

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Speaker 2: with it everything else? How people ask me a buck

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Speaker 2: how could they not find out? I actually went over

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Speaker 2: this over the weekend with some friends mine. They asked

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Speaker 2: me this. They said, you know, how can they not

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Speaker 2: find Hunter's cocaine? I'm like, what do you mean, how

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Speaker 2: can they not? It's the easiest thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Secret Service hits around and goes, oh, we just got

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Speaker 2: a call from the supervisor. He says, we've got to

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Speaker 2: pull together a committee meeting about this, and then we're

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Speaker 2: going to have another meeting next week about how we

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Speaker 2: got to look over the committee meeting from the first week,

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Speaker 2: and we don't want to impugne anybody by going too

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Speaker 2: fast on the suspects here, and nothing. Never underestimate the

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Speaker 2: ability of a bureaucracy to do nothing. It is what

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Speaker 2: they do all the time if they can get away

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: Especially when it involves a powerful person, of course, And

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Speaker 1: that's where the fix is in here to such a degree.

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Speaker 1: And look, I don't think it's ideal if we were

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Speaker 1: if the Department of judge, and this is what I thought,

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Speaker 1: this is what I thought would happen, And maybe there's

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Speaker 1: still a possibility of it happening if that judge rejects

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Speaker 1: the plea agreement on July twenty sixth. But you got this,

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Speaker 1: I said, I had some faith in the system. I

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Speaker 1: thought that they would have to charge Hunter and they

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Speaker 1: would then make the argument no one is above the

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Speaker 1: law to allow them to be able to justify charging

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Speaker 1: Trumps too, because my theory is told.

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Speaker 2: Clay to get off my lawn. There's no way they're

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Speaker 2: going to charge Hunter, no way.

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Speaker 1: And the reality here is that they don't even care

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Speaker 1: about even giving a fig leaf of objectivity and impartiality

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Speaker 1: right now. Yep, as it pertains this Department of which

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Speaker 1: is why I'm so scary.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, you know, and we could even we can

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Speaker 2: hold this to the break. You can answer this on

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Speaker 2: the on the flip side if they reject the plea.

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Speaker 2: If the judge rejects the plea, does that change the

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Speaker 2: calculus in your mind of whether Biden can continue to

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Speaker 2: be the nominee or do they just run the it's his.

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Speaker 3: Son, he's dealing with addiction. It's not his fault. Playbook

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Speaker 3: you want to answer, we come back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll talk about that on the flip side. Because

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Speaker 1: the July twenty sixth date at which the judge has

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Speaker 1: to sign off on this is massively important. I think

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Speaker 1: to how this story goes going forward, and I think, frankly,

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Speaker 1: this judge clearly has to reject this plea agreement. I

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Speaker 2: Garry Shaffley, the irs whistle blower currently testifying on Capital Hill,

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Speaker 2: saying that prosecutors were asked not to involve Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: that warrants were delayed until after the election. So in essence,

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Speaker 2: you can see that the law is bent to the

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Speaker 2: benefit of the Biden family and weaponized at the expense

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Speaker 2: of Trump and his family and his political future. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons that this is

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Speaker 2: really so clearly upsetting people.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Clay.

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Speaker 2: They can say whatever they want about some of these

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Speaker 2: things that they're bringing as charges against Trump. No serious person,

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Speaker 2: for example, will argue that what's going on in New

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Speaker 2: York is anything other than a political sham. The things

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Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden did are straight up black letter of

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Speaker 2: the law, as obvious a crime. It's a go or

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Speaker 2: no go, right he did or did not do these things,

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Speaker 2: and the idea that he in any way got anything

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Speaker 2: other than special treatment is laughable. But that's what the

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Speaker 2: system has to tell itself in order to pretend like

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Speaker 2: we still have a justice system worthy of the name.

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Speaker 1: This is why Buck, you asked as we went to

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Speaker 1: break if this judge in Delaware, Mary Ellen Noriyaika, and

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Speaker 1: I may be mispronouncing that last name, nri ik ik

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Speaker 1: A is how Norriyaka maybe is how you spell it.

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Speaker 1: She's a Trump appointing. If there is evidence that this

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Speaker 1: plea agreement was entered into in a manner that is suspect,

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Speaker 1: in a manner that potentially violates the law, then she cannot,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of the law, leave aside all the

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Speaker 1: politics and who's involved. She can't accept the plea agreement.

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Speaker 1: In other words, if there was a fix in, if

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Speaker 1: this is a sweetheart deal that is designed to avoid justice,

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Speaker 1: she is obligated not to accept this plea agreement. I

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Speaker 1: think what would happen, Buck, is if she has the

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Speaker 1: testicular fortitude, the willingness, the spine to stand up against

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Speaker 1: this plea agreement and reject it. I think it would

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Speaker 1: be almost impossible for there not to be a special

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Speaker 1: counsel appointed. Now, the challenge that then arises is that

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Speaker 1: special counsel tries to run out the clock again, right,

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Speaker 1: because the goal here is not to pursue justice, it's

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Speaker 1: to protect Hunter Biden. So the challenge that you have

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Speaker 1: so long as Merrick Garland is the attorney General and

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden is the president, is it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 1: have actual justice brought to bear here. And this is

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Speaker 1: one of those interesting questions Buck. If Trump were president,

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Speaker 1: what would have happened to Hunter Biden. I think he

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Speaker 1: would have been charged with crimes soon after Trump was

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Speaker 1: reinaugurated in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: I have to also remind myself that they impeach Trump

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Speaker 2: for inquiring about the obvious crimes of Hunter Biden when

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Speaker 2: speaking to Zelensky. And now they can say, oh, they

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Speaker 2: don't like that. Oh they cannot like that as much

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Speaker 2: as they want. There's no constitutional or legal prohibition on

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Speaker 2: speaking to a foreign counterpart and saying, hey, the crimes

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Speaker 2: that that guy's doing, what's going on with that? He

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Speaker 2: was doing crimes, they were not manufacturing them.

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Speaker 1: So in fact, you would actually argue that that's what

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Speaker 1: you would want to occur. You would want for criminal

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Speaker 1: behavior of politically connected assets like Hunter Biden to be

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Speaker 1: called out, because remember, Buck, you know who's not complaining

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Speaker 1: about the money that they gave hum China.

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Speaker 3: You know who's not.

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Speaker 1: Complaining about the money that they gave Hunter Biden Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: They feel like they got a goodbye. And think about it,

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Speaker 1: if we could, if you told me right now, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you were in the CIA, if I said to you, hey,

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Speaker 1: Chairman z Over in China, he's got a crackhead of

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Speaker 1: a son. If we give him a few million dollars

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Speaker 1: and a shiny diamond, He's gonna let us know everything

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Speaker 1: that's going on inside of the inner circles of the

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Speaker 1: Chinese government. Wouldn't that be an incredible asset for the

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Speaker 1: CIA to have?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, I mean it would be.

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Speaker 2: That's like a career making opportunity for Chinese intelligence officer.

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Speaker 3: I think it's also worth worth.

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Speaker 2: Reminding everybody as you look at this, we have video

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Speaker 2: of this. I mean, this is beyond any dispute. These

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Speaker 2: are the facts of the case that Hunter Biden was

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Speaker 2: getting eighty thousand dollars a month something like that from Barisma.

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Speaker 2: And there's this video of Joe Biden when he is

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Speaker 2: the vice president and while his son is getting this money,

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Speaker 2: bragging about how he fired personally demanded the firing of

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Speaker 2: a corruption prosecutor in Ukraine. Think about how many times

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Speaker 2: had Vice President Biden ever said to any foreign country,

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Speaker 2: We're going to cut a billion dollars of aid unless

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Speaker 2: you fire this guy that I don't like. Now that

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Speaker 2: prosecutor was looking at Barisma. So you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about what, among other things, you want to talk about

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Speaker 2: a great usage of funds? Oh, they got a great

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Speaker 2: deal with the Bidens. Joe Biden doesn't know what time

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Speaker 2: it is in any given moment, what month it is

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Speaker 2: in any given moment. But just a few years ago

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Speaker 2: he was so involved in the anti corruption efforts in

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Speaker 2: Ukraine that he was demanding prosecutors be fired by name

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Speaker 2: and wielding billions of dollars of federal aid in that process.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it just doesn't They can't explain this away.

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Speaker 2: We all know what was going on here.

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Speaker 1: And simultaneously, while trying to explain that away, Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: is trying to put the President of the United States,

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Speaker 1: his chief political rival, former President Donald Trump, in prison

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Speaker 1: for the rest of his life over a dispute about

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Speaker 1: where paper should be stored and how they should be stored.

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Speaker 1: Because that's what's going on in South Florida. It's entirely

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Speaker 1: a dispute about where paper should be stored. And that's it,

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Speaker 1: because there's no allegation buck at all, that somehow these

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Speaker 1: papers were in the possession of some foreign adversary and

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Speaker 1: were becoming valuable as a result of that.

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Speaker 2: They are process and document handling crime. If you had

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Speaker 2: to discuss with the mar al Lago thing, what exactly

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Speaker 2: is the harm that has done. It's that Trump wasn't

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Speaker 2: moving fast enough or wasn't being forth right enough with

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Speaker 2: the government over the paper that great awe