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Speaker 1: Have an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do some horrifying updates coming out of Gaza

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Speaker 2: and some new comments from President Trump as well as

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Speaker 2: Bibnet Nyaho, who is lying about the fact that Palestinians

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Speaker 2: are starving to death. He is denying that, so we'll

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Speaker 2: get into all of that. We also have a weird

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Speaker 2: moment happening culturally that's worth examining, where all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who either had been silent or

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Speaker 2: had been relentless promoters of the Israeli side suddenly came

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Speaker 2: in with some concerns about the fact that babies are

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Speaker 2: literally starving to death before our eyes talked about everybody

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Speaker 2: from Barry Weiss to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, so wanted

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Speaker 2: to take a look at some of those voices and

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Speaker 2: try to figure out what exactly is going on there.

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Speaker 2: Also have some news out of the podcast world. Apparently

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Speaker 2: net Naho had approached Joe Rogan about going on his podcast,

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Speaker 2: and Rogan had the sense to be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think I'm good there. That is according at least

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Speaker 2: in Netna Who's son.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so is Miami residence done?

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Speaker 3: By the way, why does he live here? Does anyone

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Speaker 3: tell me that let's get some deportations going in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got a couple other little updates for you

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Speaker 2: from theo Von and Tim Dillon out of the podcast

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Speaker 2: world too. We're also continuing to focus on Epstein because

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Speaker 2: Trump is continuing to focus on Epstein. We have potential

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Speaker 2: for Gleayne Maxwell pardon apparently, so we've gone from release

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Speaker 2: the files to release the Pedophile Groomer like that, and

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Speaker 2: the MAGA is buying it. Apparently Alex Jones is on board.

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Speaker 2: You've got Charlie Kirk, You've got NEWSMAC I believe saying

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Speaker 2: perhaps she's the real victim Zager in all of this.

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Speaker 2: So incredible things happening there. We'll dive into all of that.

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Speaker 2: And at the same time, Democrats are reaching their lowest

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Speaker 4: These two parties. Yes, their incredible political system.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what to say about that. It

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Speaker 3: is actually kind of fascinating. So if you're an insurgent,

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Speaker 3: it is a good time for you. Thank you everybody

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Speaker 3: who's been signing up breakingpoints dot com. But don't want

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Speaker 3: to get too much in the spiel. We've got some

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Speaker 3: horrifying stuff if we do have to get Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, so, as I mentioned, Trump on his trip to

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Speaker 2: Scotland made some comments about what is going on in

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Speaker 4: By the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: But Trump says, actually, we've got it wrong and we

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. Should Israel be doing more to

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Speaker 5: We gave sixty million dollars two weeks ago for food

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Speaker 5: You know, that's an international problem. It's not a US problem.

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Speaker 1: And we're giving a lot of money and a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of food, a lot of everything. If we were there,

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Speaker 5: You know, they're stealing the food, They're stealing a lot

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Speaker 4: So that's a lie.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Israeli military officials, we can jump ahead and

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Speaker 2: People are starving. At least one hundred have starved, and

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Speaker 2: people are starving, babies and children are still right now

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Speaker 2: and Sager he also says that this is not a

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Speaker 2: Why are we backstopping them diplomatically? Why are we the

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Speaker 2: this is a US problem. And just like the last guy,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two people who are well, two countries that

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Speaker 3: as we're about to show you, even this decision to

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Speaker 3: to reinstitute the AID is causing consternation inside of Israel

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they have blockaded AID

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Speaker 3: They stopped cut off electricity, water except what was at

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Speaker 3: You and I were talking about this before. What else

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Speaker 3: just can't do it. They don't have the military capacity.

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Speaker 3: Second is you know this idea that they haven't gone

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Speaker 3: full on enough with bombing. Take a look, like it's

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Speaker 3: all on video. You could literally take the drone. I

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Speaker 3: the before and after it's it's gone.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I saw Lindsay Graham on television and being like, they're

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Speaker 3: going to do to Gaza what they did to Berlin

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Speaker 3: and Tokyo. It's already over. It's already, Tokyo, the fire

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Speaker 3: bombing has happened. You know what I'm saying, You know,

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Speaker 3: in the starvation and all that is just a downstream

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Speaker 3: consequence actually of their own policy. And of course you're

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Speaker 3: I'm not even necessarily convinced that that would stop everything.

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Speaker 3: It's the entire diplomatic cover of the empire. I mean,

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Speaker 3: even this morning, the Secretary or the Ambassador to Israel,

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Speaker 3: Mike Huckabee is doing the like starvation and star investigation

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Speaker 3: Times had muscular dystrophe and he didn't that's part of

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Ooh, what we're we're trying to parse like which particular

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Speaker 1: Right? You know, It's like, okay, let's pick the other.

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Speaker 2: Muscular dystrophe, so it's fine for the star where.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, actually skeleton because he has a muscular

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Speaker 3: distrophee and that was secondary to it's like, hold on

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Speaker 3: a second, Okay, people who are muscultars are probably more

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Speaker 3: it's like, fine, pick ninety nine other examples, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's not. It's the reality.

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Speaker 3: That's it, just why? You know, we can add morally,

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Speaker 3: you can ask strategically. I would say it stategically has

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Speaker 3: Even compare the merely mouthed politicians of the European Union,

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Speaker 2: Imagine being Benjamin Natnyaho and saying stand for human freedom

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's what was it? Wikoff said, it's a.

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Speaker 4: So there was a ceasefire.

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Speaker 3: There's no like, oh, we were trying to hit Humas

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Speaker 1: It's going to go on forever.

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Speaker 3: There is no political constituency inside of Israel that actually

436
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Speaker 3: seeks a ceasefire or a diplomatic solution.

437
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what is you know, what's next?

438
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Speaker 2: Well, not to mention that, you know, there's there's claims

439
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Speaker 2: that they're going to let more aid in.

440
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Speaker 4: Believe that when you see it.

441
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Speaker 2: Yeah, believe that when you see it, because it's very

442
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Speaker 2: like that they just I mean, so far there are

443
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 2: no reports of you know, increased aid reaching the population

444
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: on the ground. And they've done these we can put

445
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: these this air drop image up on the screen. This

446
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 2: is a ten you know, they've allowed in some of

447
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: these air drops, which is just another you know, they

448
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,920
Speaker 2: did this a little bit under the Biden administration. We

449
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: covered it then like this is just like a PR stunt,

450
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: and then you can see the absolute chaos. I mean,

451
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: these people are starving it at they're desperate, they're trying

452
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Speaker 2: to get whatever they can to like, you know, save

453
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Speaker 2: themselves and their family, and so of course it's just,

454
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: you know, absolute disaster. There have been injuries with this,

455
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Speaker 2: and the amount of food that's getting in is absolutely paltry.

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Speaker 4: So thus far there has not been.

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Speaker 2: Any significant increase in aid and you certainly would not

458
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Speaker 2: put it past them or you know, the Trump administration

459
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Speaker 2: running cover for them to say, to do some show

460
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: of you know, we're letting the air drops in and

461
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 2: here's a few more trucks, but not really change the

462
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: situation on the ground. And make no mistake about it,

463
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Speaker 2: the situation is incredibly dire.

464
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Speaker 4: The very latest update we have is.

465
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Speaker 2: That there have been fourteen more cases of death by

466
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Speaker 2: starvation over just the last twenty four hours. So that's

467
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: the pace, you know, the pace of starvation death is escalating.

468
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Speaker 2: That brings to one hundred and forty seven confirmed starvation deaths,

469
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Speaker 2: most of them again occurring over the past several weeks,

470
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Speaker 2: and that includes eighty eight kids who have been starved

471
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Speaker 2: to death.

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Speaker 4: And it takes effort.

473
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Speaker 2: It takes like a concerted plan, and a famine is

474
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Speaker 2: not just something that randomly happens, especially not one where

475
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Speaker 2: the entire one hundred percent of the population in the

476
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Speaker 2: Gaza Strip is impacted by this. They are in the

477
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Speaker 2: fifth the worst stage of famine at this point, where

478
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Speaker 2: there will be even if they did flood the zone

479
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Speaker 2: with aid, at this point, where there will be dire consequences,

480
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Speaker 2: including continued deaths for some period of time, and there

481
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Speaker 2: will be irreversible health damage to many of the you know,

482
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Speaker 2: two million roughly people who are in the Gaza Strip

483
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Speaker 2: because of the level of malnutrition. I mean kids who

484
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Speaker 2: are you know, trying to develop and grow, and I

485
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: mean you just you can't even imagine it, like you

486
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 2: truly cannot imagine it. And one other thing from that

487
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Speaker 2: Axios report that we had up before that, I just

488
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: want to really underscore a note for you guys, is

489
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: they report in there that Trump has given net Nyahu

490
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Speaker 2: a free hand to do whatever he wants. That's exactly

491
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Speaker 2: what they say, from military operations to hostage negotiations and

492
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Speaker 2: the distribution of humanitarian aid. What White House officials say,

493
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Speaker 2: Trump is genuinely disturbed by the killing of Palestinians and

494
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Speaker 2: wants the war to end. He has applied virtually no

495
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Speaker 2: pressure on net Nyahu to end it in the last

496
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Speaker 2: few months. In most calls and meetings, Trump told Bbe quote,

497
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Speaker 2: do what you have to.

498
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Speaker 4: Do in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: In some cases he even encouraged net NYAHUO to go

500
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Speaker 2: harder on Hamas. And there was another clip of Trump

501
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Speaker 2: from a few days ago where he said, Israel needs.

502
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Speaker 4: To finish the job.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's where he's been so, I mean

504
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: any sort of concern he has, like who cares whether

505
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Speaker 2: you're bothered by the images or not if you're not

506
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Speaker 2: willing to do anything in order to stop it. And yes,

507
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: you have plenty of power to stop it. A couple

508
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: more things here to get to. Let's put a seven

509
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: up on the screen, just to underscore the point Sager

510
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: was making about how sick Israeli society.

511
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Speaker 4: Is at this point.

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Speaker 2: This is on Israeli channel fourteen, and this is you know,

513
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Speaker 2: this commentator who is mocking a mother whose child died

514
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Speaker 2: of starvation. And they're saying, oh, well, she looks like

515
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: this is not a starving woman. No, this woman who

516
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: may have eaten all of her child's food.

517
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

518
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Speaker 2: I can't think of any other option. A woman, who

519
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: ate a whole goat, who ate the girl herself. That's

520
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: what they're saying about this mom whose four year old

521
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Speaker 2: daughter died of starvation imposed by Israel.

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Speaker 4: That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: And you know, listen, it's so sick and twisted you

524
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Speaker 2: hate to even address it.

525
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Speaker 4: But guys, guess what. Children are the most vulnerable.

526
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Speaker 2: Their little bodies are trying to grow, they take more nutrients,

527
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: they have fewer ye fat stores to draw when they're

528
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: little kids, so of course they're the most vulnerable to

529
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Speaker 2: starvation and to it's just it's just absolutely sick and

530
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: twisted the things that you see coming out of this society,

531
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Speaker 2: which is in a you know, buy and large, and

532
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 2: there are exceptions, but there is a genocidal fervor that

533
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 2: has taken hold of this society. They are fully on board,

534
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: buy and large, on board with blocking aid. They are

535
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Speaker 2: buy and large on board with completely complete ethnic cleansing.

536
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Speaker 2: According to the polls, you know, close to a majority

537
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Speaker 2: of Israeli Jews are on board with an absolute, you know,

538
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Speaker 2: complete and total genocide of the Palestinian population. And those

539
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: are the voices that are represented and very powerful within

540
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Speaker 2: this government. So we can't fool ourselves about what is

541
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Speaker 2: going on within that society. And last one here, let's

542
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Speaker 2: put a nine up on the screen because this is

543
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Speaker 2: important too in terms of some of the lies and

544
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: the fraud that has been spun. So the Israelis have

545
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: been trying and their propagandas have been trying to spin

546
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Speaker 2: this idea that it's the UN's.

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Speaker 4: Fault that their start.

548
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Speaker 2: Well, there's not starvation, but if there is starvation, it's

549
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Speaker 2: the UN's fault.

550
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Speaker 1: Bull shit.

551
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Speaker 4: Look at this.

552
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: The IDF, according to an Israeli channel, again Israeli report,

553
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Speaker 2: they destroyed one thousand trucks worth of AID and buried

554
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Speaker 2: that aid rather than provide it to Palestinians. This is

555
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: our friend, child than fram who says this occurred two

556
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Speaker 2: months ago, resulting in the current hunger crisis and gaza.

557
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Speaker 2: The same source says the IDF is about to destroy

558
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Speaker 2: more aid. Don't let anyone tell you the hunger is

559
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: not intentional. This is a deliberate Israeli policy. And in fact,

560
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: the UN had brought in trucks back, you know, a

561
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Speaker 2: week or so ago, and that the you know, palstings

562
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: who are desperate swarmed the trucks and then the IDF

563
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: shot at both Polsing's and those aid workers. So if

564
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Speaker 2: you're the UN, if you're the UN, how can you

565
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: distribute aid? First of all, they're blocking the vast majority

566
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: of anything coming in, and then they're firing on aid workers.

567
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you don't want to have

568
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: this chaotic situation, and you know, there's no proof whatsoever

569
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: that Hamas has been stealing the aid as they've been asserting,

570
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: But if that is truly your concern, the answer to

571
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: that soccer is actually to have a mass quantity of

572
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: aids so that food is not so you know, valuable

573
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 2: and so precious that there's plenty to go around, so

574
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: that the Gaza quote unquote Humanitarian Foundation they tweeted.

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Speaker 4: In Gaza food is power.

576
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have nothing, then of course the scarce

577
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: supply whoever has that ends up with a lot of power.

578
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Speaker 4: So if you're so.

579
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Speaker 2: Concerned that, oh it could be Hamasa benefits and that

580
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: that is even more of an argument to flood the

581
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: zone with aid, with food, with water, with fuel so

582
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: that people are not starving to death.

583
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the World Food Program says they have enough food

584
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Speaker 3: to feed every person in Gaza for the next three months.

585
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: So you know, just let them do it.

586
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Speaker 1: Just just say do it. And the whole point is that,

587
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: I know this is difficult.

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 3: The reason why that the UN was not quote distributing

589
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 3: it is because you said, not only the security situation,

590
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: but it's because these real and the Americans said, there's

591
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: only one way that you're allowed to do that, and

592
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: that's with the gods of Humanitarian Foundation. Yes, and they're like, well,

593
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Speaker 3: we're not going to partner with the gods of Humanitarian

594
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 3: Humanitarian Foundation because they're openly slaughter killing people whenever people

595
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Speaker 3: come for aid.

596
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Speaker 1: You're basically setting up a death trap.

597
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Palestinians massacred trying to seek aids shot and Humanitarian Foundation.

598
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe tomorrow we'll talk about a Green Beret, right,

599
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: who came out and it means unbelievable, right, And this

600
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 3: is a guy who served in multiple theaters in Iraq

601
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 3: and Afghanistan and is like, I have literally never witnessed

602
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 3: this level of carnage of war crimes by the IDF

603
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: and of the INN is the gunning down of.

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Speaker 1: People who are coming for aid.

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Speaker 3: He said that out loud, right, And so you can

606
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Speaker 3: see why as an international aid organization. You would not

607
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: want to both legitimize and actually partner with said thing,

608
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: because then your food would basically used as bait to

609
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: kill even more people. It's a horrific, horrific situation. As

610
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Speaker 3: I said, look, I think it's better obviously that you know,

611
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Speaker 3: some of the aid, you know, begins to come in.

612
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 3: But this is, in my opinion, probably the darkest part

613
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: of the entire war, because it is it shows the

614
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: full force of the propaganda machine in Israel, in America.

615
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: And also listen, guys, I mean, I know people think

616
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: it's a victory. Our ambassador is still denying that there's

617
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Speaker 3: any starvation, Our government is still allowing all this to happen.

618
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 3: The EU and the Brits and all these people. Yeah,

619
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Speaker 3: they'll put out a statement as long as some of

620
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Speaker 3: the aid continues to go in, like this is going

621
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Speaker 3: to continue now for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's it's not good.

623
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Speaker 4: It's just like.

624
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Speaker 3: I don't really see at this point any sort of

625
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: like slow anything less than total victory for their own

626
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: diplomatic part. I just saw some reporting from outside of Israel.

627
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: It's like bb wants to take the summer to basically,

628
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, re engineer his rerise to power beat the

629
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Speaker 3: court case, and after that that's when the full on

630
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: like expulsion is going to happen.

631
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Speaker 1: That's their plan.

632
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Speaker 2: At the same time, there's an interesting cultural moment that's

633
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: worth examining, where I think because of the images of

634
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Speaker 2: these emaciated babies who are dying from this blockade, I

635
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: think there's been some realization of how this is all

636
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: going to look in the history books. And so there's

637
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: some cya going on of everybody from Richie Torres, Barry Weiss,

638
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama who's been completely silent, suddenly feeling

639
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: like they we need to say something, like we need

640
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: to put something out. And many of these statements are

641
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: pathetic milk toast, buy into a bunch of the you know,

642
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: Israeli haspara propaganda. But something has happened that made all

643
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 2: of these people at once feel like, Okay, we need

644
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: to express some sort of sympathy for these babies that

645
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: are country along with Israel literally starving to death. So

646
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: here's Richie Torres, who is a particularly interesting case. Richie,

647
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: of course has taken some like roughly one point five

648
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: million dollars from Apak and the Israel lobby. He is

649
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: one of, if not Israel's staunchest defender in Congress. Seems

650
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: to focus much more on Israel foreign country than his

651
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: own district in the Bronx, which is the poorest congressional

652
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: district in the entire country. Even he felt the need

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Speaker 2: to separate himself in this interview with check Todd a

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Speaker 2: little bit from the Netnyahoo government. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: take a listen to a little bit of that.

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Speaker 7: But there's this feeling that it's become harder to criticize

657
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Speaker 7: net nyahou without somebody accusing that person of being anti Semitic, right,

658
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Speaker 7: and this is this, and there's angst in this in

659
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Speaker 7: the Jewish community, there'sks outside it. I'm guessing you probably

660
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Speaker 7: hear it yourself in your own district.

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Speaker 8: Look, I love America, but I do not love my government.

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Speaker 8: And it is possible to support Israel as a country

663
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Speaker 8: while objecting to the Israeli government and.

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Speaker 7: The idea that there should be a Jewish state and

665
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Speaker 7: not necessarily being in favor of what Bibi's doing.

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Speaker 8: Every country, including Israel, is fear gain for criticism if

667
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Speaker 8: you're a democrat, and if you're a Democratic color, and

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Speaker 8: if you're a black Democrat, you take immense pride in

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Speaker 8: Barack Obama. I mean, he represents just one of the

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Speaker 8: greatest achievements in politics. We take pride in his presidency,

671
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Speaker 8: and to see a foreign leader visibly disrespect him in

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Speaker 8: the manner that bb Netanya who did, I feel did

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Speaker 8: a reparable damage to the relationship with the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a legitimate perception that the President Israeli

675
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Speaker 8: government is just aligned with the Republican Party.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 2: Richie Sagar, I think is a particularly special example because

678
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Speaker 2: Zora Mandani won his district congressional district quite overwhelmingly, and

679
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: so he has seen a little bit of the political

680
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: writing on the wall. I do think that this is

681
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Speaker 2: largely the Zoron effect, where he's realizing that he is

682
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Speaker 2: wildly on a step with the Democratic Party base, including

683
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Speaker 2: his own base in his district, and he has come

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Speaker 2: out swinging now in defense of Zoron and against the

685
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Speaker 2: Islamophobic attacks against him. You know, he has, you know,

686
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Speaker 2: put on other comments about the starvation, and then he

687
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Speaker 2: goes here and says this, which is very counter to

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Speaker 2: you know, the way he's voted in Congress, where he's

689
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Speaker 2: always there to vote for these definitions that can flate

690
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism and anti Zionism. So for him to come

691
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Speaker 2: out now, of course you can criticize the government of Israel.

692
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Speaker 2: Oh really, that's not the way that you've positioned yourself

693
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Speaker 2: up to this point. But I think with him in particular,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think it's the starvation images so

695
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Speaker 2: much as him reading the political writing on the wall

696
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Speaker 2: and fearing a primary challenge.

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Speaker 4: In particular, Michael Blake, who endorsed.

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Speaker 2: Zoron in that primary, lives in that district and is

699
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Speaker 2: being encouraged and contemplating running in a primary against him,

700
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Speaker 2: and I think he would be vulnerable, so he is

701
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Speaker 2: desperately trying to reposition him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting there on Richie, he's trying to whitewash

703
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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Really.

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Speaker 3: What I think where we're kind of seeing though, is

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Speaker 3: like the starvation was the jump off point for a

707
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Speaker 3: lot of centrists to do this, But it kind of

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Speaker 3: reminds me of the liberal Zionist movement broadly about like, oh,

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Speaker 3: Tel Aviv, it's the most beautiful place. It has what

710
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Speaker 3: a gay pride parades, It's actually a pluralistic, you know,

711
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Speaker 3: incredible and free society, and like that is the Israel

712
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Speaker 3: you know that they kind of wanted to defend.

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Speaker 1: But obviously over the last eighteen months, like there's been a.

714
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Speaker 3: Big I would say, a reviewing of what the country

715
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Speaker 3: you know, really is all about. And this is now

716
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Speaker 3: the way that they can criticize Israel, or they can

717
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: acknowledge facts about what's going on without undermining the aims

718
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Speaker 3: of the war itself and or the state and the

719
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Speaker 3: diplomatic cover. So for example, you know, here we have

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Speaker 3: former a Pack employee, Wolf Blitzer, who is now openly

721
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Speaker 3: acknowledging some of the reality here where if you'll recall,

722
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Speaker 3: you know, even e in the very early days of

723
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Speaker 3: the war, we had multiple clips here was openly defensive,

724
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Speaker 3: you know, of the IDF.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: Dozens and dozens of humanitarian groups are warning that doctors, journalists,

727
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Speaker 10: aid workers are going hungry alongside what's going on in

728
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Speaker 10: Gaza right now. UNISEF says that what eighty percent, this

729
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Speaker 10: is UNISEF eighty percent of those who have died of

730
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Speaker 10: starvation are children in Gaza, and now the enclave is

731
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Speaker 10: on the brink of running out of specialized food that's

732
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Speaker 10: needed to save these kids. In order for people to

733
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Speaker 10: survive in Gaza, you need at least about fifteen hundred

734
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Speaker 10: truck trucks coming in every day with supplies.

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Speaker 9: Are you holding a three month old baby who is

736
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Speaker 9: starving to death accountable for things that that baby did

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Speaker 9: not know?

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Speaker 1: I'm holding home mons accountable.

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Speaker 9: It's so important to remember that we are not talking

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Speaker 9: about talking points. We are talking about human beings, and

741
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Speaker 9: there are people who are starving, children who are starving

742
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Speaker 9: in Gaza today who had absolutely nothing to do with

743
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Speaker 9: what happened on October seventh. We are in the wealthiest

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Speaker 9: country of the world. Israel is our ally and our partner.

745
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Speaker 9: We have leverage here. The question is why aren't we

746
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Speaker 9: using that.

747
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Speaker 11: Feel like other news organizations around the world, is prevented

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Speaker 11: by Israel from reporting inside Gaza and from seeing for

749
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Speaker 11: ourselves what is really going on, so we rely on

750
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Speaker 11: trusted freelancers in the territory.

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Speaker 12: Mohammed and his mother, Heidaiah, were filmed by one of

752
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Speaker 12: the trusted Palestinian freelancers we work with in Gaza, who

753
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Speaker 12: are themselves starving. Israel does not allow international journalists to

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Speaker 12: enter the territory.

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Speaker 3: So you can see even CNN has begun to turn.

756
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Speaker 3: Let's put B three up here on the screen. This is,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, some of the most important crystal. This

758
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: is from the Free Press, which is ironically named. But

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00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: you can see that not even that long ago, in May,

760
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Speaker 3: they had a story called the quote the Gaza famine

761
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: myth how lazy journalism, bad data and skewed statistics fueled

762
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Speaker 3: accusations of war crimes against Israel. And then not even

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Speaker 3: what two months or so later, they had that guy

764
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Speaker 3: Ahmed Segal, who is himself a right wing Israeli journalist,

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Speaker 3: actually write a story say, quote, the price of flower

766
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Speaker 3: shows the hunger crisis in Gaza. There have been tremendous

767
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Speaker 3: lies about Israel's war. That doesn't mean the threat of

768
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Speaker 3: starvation isn't real. It is, and in fact, Ami really

769
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Speaker 3: is I think trying to get ahead of the entire situation.

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Speaker 3: He was even quoting people who were Israeli you know,

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Speaker 3: civilian or sorry, Israeli scholars who were warning about the

772
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Speaker 3: flower and the hunger crisis in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: This is another one. This still takes them explaining.

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Speaker 3: This is a guy named Yaya Rosenberg, who really, in

775
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: my opinion, embodies the like liberal Zionist movement, but broadly

776
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: he's like the anti semitism hatchet man. Like he's the

777
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: person who works for the Atlantic who's constantly concern trolling

778
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 3: around anti Semitism. And here he writes, quote my latest

779
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: how Trump opened the door to ethnic lens in Gaza.

780
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Speaker 3: He needs to close it and stop feeding the Israeli

781
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: rights fantasy of conquest or he will never achieve the

782
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Speaker 3: piece he claims to want.

783
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Speaker 1: Please read the whole thing.

784
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Speaker 3: Quote Trump turned a far right fantasy ethnic cleansing and

785
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Speaker 3: Gaza into US policy. He needs to reject it. I mean, look,

786
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Speaker 3: it doesn't take a genius to say. Also, this is

787
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Speaker 3: not just a Trump policy. This has been a Biden

788
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: policy now as well. All of it has been underwritten

789
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Speaker 3: by America. If anything, Trump is the Trump administration is

790
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: just more open about allowing it to happen. But it's

791
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: like Ben Gevie and Baby have been saying this stun

792
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Speaker 3: since October of twenty twenty three. People in terms of

793
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Speaker 3: what you know, the actual goal of the entire war

794
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: is so you can see that people in the US

795
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: are trying to shift. But again I think that the

796
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Speaker 3: starvation is actually the axis point, so that that when

797
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: Israel buckles, which they did at least for now, they

798
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 3: can say, see, you know, they listen to us without

799
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 3: undermining any of the broader policy implications of the war,

800
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Speaker 3: or and more importantly, upsetting future funding to the State

801
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Speaker 3: of Israel, which they'll continue to call you antisemitic or whatever.

802
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 3: Of course you know, of course, so nothing is really changing.

803
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: In my opinion, this is all like a big cover operation,

804
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: like a limited hangout, I guess is the way.

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Speaker 4: That you Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: And with regards to the free press, I even calling

807
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: them that. But Barry Wise's publication, their line is like, oh, well,

808
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's so hard for Israelis or Israel supporters

809
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: to take these these you know, legitimate reports of starvation seriously,

810
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: because they've been crying wolf all along about however, we

811
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: was starving death and this was just a pack of lies.

812
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Speaker 2: That is all just complete and total bullshit. I mean again,

813
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Speaker 2: you had very days after October seventh, you had yoev

814
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Speaker 2: Goan announcing a complete siege and we're going to treat

815
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Speaker 2: them like human animals. And while there have been times

816
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: when war eight has been coming in. Yes, there have

817
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Speaker 2: been dire circumstances in the past, and even though the

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00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: majority of starvation deaths have come now, there were starvation

819
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Speaker 2: deaths by the way before. But they act like if

820
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Speaker 2: the whole population is not like dying today, then it's

821
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Speaker 2: not really a big deal. If you have people, a

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Speaker 2: large proportion of population going without food for days and

823
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Speaker 2: days at a time, So the risk has been very real.

824
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Speaker 4: It takes a long time.

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Speaker 2: It takes months and months of concerted effort to get

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Speaker 2: a We're talking about one hundred percent of the population

827
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Speaker 2: in famine conditions, in like the worst stage of famine

828
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Speaker 2: conditions right now, and that is something that we don't

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Speaker 2: see even in you know, some of the worst most

830
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Speaker 2: war torn places in other parts of the planet. In Gaza,

831
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Speaker 2: it is the worst. So, yes, all those warnings, all

832
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Speaker 2: of that concern all the way along, that has been

833
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Speaker 2: completely and totally justified and is vindicated, but horrifyingly vindicated

834
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Speaker 2: by the fact that we now have so many people

835
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Speaker 2: now you know, over a dozen people died just yesterday,

836
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Speaker 2: just in the last twenty four hours from starvation. It

837
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Speaker 2: actually takes you a long time to get to the

838
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Speaker 2: point where you literally die.

839
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Speaker 4: From lack of food to eat.

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Speaker 2: You got a bunch of politicians on the mostly these

841
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 2: are on the Democratic side that have decided, okay, we

842
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: better say something at this point. Can put this up

843
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: on the screen. Barack Obama, Oh that guy's still around.

844
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Speaker 2: He had this to say, says well, lasting resolution of

845
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Speaker 2: the crisis in Gaza must writ involve a turn of

846
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Speaker 2: all hostages cessation of Israel's military operations. These articles underscore

847
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: the immediate need for action to be taken to prevent

848
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Speaker 2: the travesty of innocent people dying a preventable starvation. So

849
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Speaker 2: there you go, very milk to oas not a lot

850
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: of blame attributed there. And he shared some New York

851
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: Times pieces that contained a bunch of Israeli hawspara. Let's

852
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: go ahead to the next one. I believe we've got

853
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Speaker 2: Corey Booker here.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this.

855
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Speaker 2: Guy's typical like Bill Ackman length you post on Twitter.

856
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: But I'll just save you the trouble and tell you

857
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Speaker 2: that nowhere in this long screen does he mention the country.

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Speaker 4: The word Israel's not in here at all.

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Speaker 2: And Corey Booker is big APAC recipient and always carrying

860
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Speaker 2: the line for them, but he felt the need at

861
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Speaker 2: least to say something about what he describes accurately as

862
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Speaker 2: the catastrophic hunger and suffering of civilians, especially children, women, sick,

863
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Speaker 2: and elderly in Gaza. Let's go and put the next

864
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Speaker 2: one up on the screen, Hillary Clinton, she actually beat

865
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Speaker 2: Barack Obama to the punch. She says, eight organizations report

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Speaker 2: thousands of children in Gaza at risk of starvation, while

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Speaker 2: trucks are full of foods waiting across the border. Full

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Speaker 2: flow of humanitarian assistance must be restored immediately. Again, Israel

869
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Speaker 2: is not mentioned. I actually wonder if Obama didn't see

870
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 2: her post and be like shit, Hillary.

871
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 7: Got in before me.

872
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: I better say something. I better say something. Put the

873
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: next one up on the screen. We've got Marjorie Taylor Green,

874
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: who says, I can unequivocally say what happened to innocent

875
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: people in Israel in October seventh was horrific, just as

876
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: I can unequivocally say that what has been happening to

877
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: innocent people and children in Gaza is horrific. The war

878
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: and humanitarian crisis must end. I mean, I sort of

879
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: hate calling it a humanitarian crisis because it makes it

880
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: sound like this just happened right, like this wasn't an

881
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: intentional Israeli a US policy to starve these people to death,

882
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: but that, in fact is exactly what is going on there.

883
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: And then finally we've got Amy Klobashar, who was just

884
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: recently pictured in that lovely photo op with wanted war

885
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: criminal Benjamin Nettna, who when he was here in Washington.

886
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Now she gave a little heartfelt, voice quavering presentation on

887
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: the floor of the Senate about how acute mount nutrition

888
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: is rising. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in recent

889
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 2: weeks while seeking food, most in the vicinity of Gaza

890
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Humanitarian Foundation distribution sites and others on the roots of

891
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: eight Convoys. This is simply unacceptable. I think she may

892
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: have been one of the ones that signed onto Chris

893
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: van Holland is leading a new letter calling on us

894
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: to abandon, you know, stop using the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation,

895
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: allow the UN to go about distributing aid. I think

896
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: she may have been one of the people who signed

897
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 2: on to that. But again, total change, total repositioning from

898
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: her as she now pretends to care about Palestinian life.

899
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: They're all like that.

900
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at Corey Booker, he was

901
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: pictured with Yoev Galant like.

902
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Not that long.

903
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: Oh, he was also in that Netnyahoo photo. He was

904
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: trying to hide behind someone else, but he was there.

905
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give him pass.

906
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 3: I mean, she actually tried to cut all funding to Israel,

907
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: which apparently AOC is not even you know, willing to

908
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: sign on to. But you know, within the Republican framework,

909
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: that's about as good as you're going to get from

910
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: any politician.

911
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: The truth is is that you know this.

912
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: And so what I was warning about before, this is

913
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: basically like a way for these centrist pro Israel folks

914
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: to say, look, we pressured them, and they're good people.

915
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: They're allowing the aid in without undermining any of the war.

916
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: Goals aims itself.

917
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 3: So to the extent that there's been any diplomatic pressure,

918
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 3: that's where it is. But you should also take it

919
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: as proof that when you want to, you can force

920
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: them to do anything.

921
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

922
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it only took a day for

923
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: them to buckle on the starvation and to actually allow something. Now, again,

924
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: I'm not claiming that's going to fix anything, but obviously

925
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: it's better than nothing, and it's you know, changing things

926
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 3: in the future, and so where things are right now

927
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: is I think again that they're trying to set the

928
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: ground so that the quote legitimate war aims you know,

929
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: don't get changed at all, and that's just going to

930
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 3: continue march forward. I guess it's a big question of

931
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: whether the democratic you know, apparatus itself will put up

932
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: with it.

933
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: I think they will.

934
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 3: I just don't think there's any real evidence, you know,

935
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: outside of this right now that they're not going to

936
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: forcefully push back on the Republican side too. I mean,

937
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: the dollars are just going to keep flowing. There's at

938
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: least going to be another vote sometime in the next

939
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 3: six to six months to one year to continue more

940
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: aid you know, to Israel.

941
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's going to pass.

942
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: But I mean, it's just more of a question about

943
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: it's more of a question about the political system where. Look,

944
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 3: if you look at the right and left wing polling

945
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: on this, outside of boomer evangelical Americans, the entire country

946
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: is against funding Israel now at this point, the entire country,

947
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: like probably super majorities effectively, especially by the way, if

948
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: they really knew what was going on, and if Fox

949
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 3: and you know, that's probably what the first honest segment

950
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 3: you've seen on CNN on Israel in like two years now.

951
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: Imagine if that was on Fox News or anywhere else.

952
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: I really, I genuinely believe everything would change if that

953
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 3: were to happen.

954
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: But that's the power of the propaganda machine, it really is.

955
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 3: And so that's where the political ground is kind of

956
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: being you know, pointed towards and everything is kind of

957
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 3: being used to just pressure them on this one point

958
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: without undermining the rest of the entire project.

959
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the other the other fear is

960
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: that Hillary Obama, Corey Booker, Amy Klobushar Wolf Blitzer, Barry Weiss,

961
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: all these people that they are not stupid people. They

962
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: like us see exactly where this is going. You know,

963
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: we have reached this point of famine where some of

964
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: the death and destruction is irreversible and the plan to

965
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: completely you know, ethnically cleanse the population, like it's been

966
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: laid out in clear terms and is being implemented as

967
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: we speak. And so they can see the dark direction

968
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: that this is going in. And so this is there,

969
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: you know, this is so that two years from now

970
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: they can oh look, I made a statement.

971
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: Look I spoke out about this.

972
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: Don't let them get away with rewriting history like so

973
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: many of these I mean everybody that we just mentioned,

974
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: they all, they all enabled it, including Marjorie Taylor Green

975
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: by the way, he votes for the military aid for

976
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 2: Israel routinely, like, they all enabled this, and they should

977
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 2: never be forgiven for it.

978
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 4: Their little ass.

979
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: Covering milk toast bullshit statements are not anywhere close to

980
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: enough to make up for what has been done here.

981
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: And so I think they see I think that they

982
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 2: see the way that history will record this. I think

983
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: they see that this is going to get, if it's possible,

984
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: even darker and more disgusting, abhorrent, outrageous, like barbaric than

985
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: it was before. And so they want to put their

986
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: little look I sign on a tweet so that they

987
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: can pretend like they're still liberal do gooders even though

988
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: it's all complete and total bullshit.

989
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what Well said. All right, let's move on

990
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: to the podcast. Now A turned to the podcast environment.

991
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: Remember people made a big deal about it, but during

992
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four election, Well, let's check in on

993
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: how exactly that's viewing the topic of Israel. Well, we've

994
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 3: got some major news here from Benjamin Nettanna Who's son.

995
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and put it up there on the screen.

996
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: This is yeah, you're Netna, who again, by the way,

997
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: lives here in America.

998
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 4: Nobody in Miami.

999
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody's quite sure why he lives here. Apparently Ato

1000
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: DeLay's wedding, which is such a tragedy over the war

1001
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: in Gaza. He says, quote great wake up call for

1002
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: conservatives to remember, Joe Rogan is not a Conservatives. He

1003
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: gave a platform to every single neo Nazi, anti Semite

1004
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: on this plant, but he refused to have my father.

1005
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 3: This guy doesn't even speak English, why does he live here?

1006
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: But he refused to have my father on his show

1007
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 3: because he knows he doesn't stand a chance against him

1008
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: and all those years of anti Semitic propaganda will go

1009
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: to waste. So that is apparently some interesting news from

1010
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: Bebe's own son that Rogan has refused to have on

1011
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: Benjamin Netanyahu. But it does fit I think with the

1012
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: turn in which you know the quote podcast space has

1013
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: really come around on Israel. We could go here to

1014
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: the next one, theo von who just tweeted quote, mister

1015
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 3: at potis JD Vance, Bernie Sanders, are ok Junior, Thomas Massey,

1016
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: Rocanna THEO please have me on to allow to educate

1017
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 3: you on who is the power here in this situation.

1018
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: But he says, can we mister blah blah blah, can

1019
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: we please get aid into Gaza?

1020
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Now? Children are starving to death. We are America.

1021
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: This isn't about politics, this is about humanity. Exactly three

1022
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: people in who are tagged there have actual power with

1023
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: the President J. D.

1024
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: Vance and Robert Kennedy Junior.

1025
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: The rest are, unfortunately either members of the US Senate

1026
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 3: and or backbenching congressman who listen.

1027
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: They're great. I have no nothing against that any of

1028
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 1: those folks.

1029
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: But it's not like Rocanna and Thomas Massy can even

1030
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: force a vote on the Epstein files. Yea, let alone

1031
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 3: get humanitarian aid into Gaza.

1032
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: The truth is there's only one person that listens who

1033
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: has any power. Potus Jadie Vance doesn't have any power. Really,

1034
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: arek Junior?

1035
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 4: Okay?

1036
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still over there struggling to get dies out

1037
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: of serial in two years from now or whatever and

1038
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: using HHS to go after the scourge of anti semitism

1039
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: and accusing Bernie Sanders of blood lebel So he's got his.

1040
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: Hands full, right, So there's that.

1041
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 3: But actually what is interesting even more is the extent

1042
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: to wish THEO and now Tim Dillon and others have

1043
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 3: really taken their platform, I think, to the next level

1044
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: and calling out the situation. For example, here is THEO

1045
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 3: he is recently, I think he was in an airport

1046
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: stop by TMZ.

1047
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: Here's what he had to say.

1048
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 13: My things would be like what, like why we're being

1049
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 13: supportive of the genocide in God's Like, why are we

1050
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 13: helping with that?

1051
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: Like I don't.

1052
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 13: I think it's making a lot of people feel really

1053
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 13: scared that it's like hurting our feelings, like why are

1054
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 13: we supporting that? And then why wouldn't we come to

1055
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 13: the rescue of the people over there? Oh the Epstein thing. Yeah,

1056
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 13: it's like people. I think people just don't believe that

1057
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 13: the government works for the people anymore. And it's really

1058
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 13: just like and maybe it never has right, it felt

1059
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 13: like it was supposed to really feel like America first,

1060
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 13: And I don't know if people are feeling that. I

1061
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 13: think people are feeling more nervous. I think there's a

1062
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 13: deal with Palenteer for like a surveillance state. I feel

1063
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 13: like there's people in power that know where we're headed that.

1064
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: Aren't telling us interesting, very interesting indeed. And then here

1065
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: we have Tim Dillon reacting to the Milk Boys interview.

1066
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 3: But actually, more importantly it was just the direct call

1067
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: to cut off all aids Israel.

1068
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:24,959
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

1069
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 14: Earlier this week, thirty year old teenagers than Elk Boys

1070
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 14: received a massive amount of backlash for their interview with

1071
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 14: Benjamin at Yahoo. We should absolutely cut off funding Israel.

1072
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 14: Immediately cut off funding, oh the one hundred percent. I

1073
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 14: don't know why that's even.

1074
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 3: Controversial, So you could see, I mean, you know, cutting

1075
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: off aid to Israel.

1076
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,919
Speaker 1: Immediately calling out the Milk Boys, I do.

1077
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: Think can we call them milkmen?

1078
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: The milkmen? I like that, you know, you're right.

1079
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: I know, I app because that was something that pissed

1080
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: me on too. Is they're still like infantilized, like they

1081
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: infantilize themselves. And then I feel like everybody else infantalize.

1082
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: You are thirty years old, like at least have the

1083
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: sense that Rogan had to be like, no, I'm not

1084
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: having you on and the thing that Rogan that Nataniahu's

1085
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: son said about like, oh, he knows.

1086
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: He can't go up against my dad.

1087
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean it may be true, Like it certainly was

1088
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: true that the noolkmen were not prepared to deal with

1089
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: and unpack all of the layers of hasbara because they haven't.

1090
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 4: Been studying it.

1091
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: Clearly they didn't spend any time studying it before they

1092
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: had him on.

1093
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: That's fine.

1094
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: If you recognize, like, you know what, I'm not really

1095
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: equipped for that good.

1096
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: That's great. You don't have to do that. And so

1097
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 4: if he at least had.

1098
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: That realization, you're like, you know what, I'm not really

1099
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 2: the person to do this. I don't think anything good

1100
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 2: is going to come out of this. Yes, you don't

1101
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: have to say yes to these interviews. And like the

1102
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: entitlement of thinking that you just this pisces me off too.

1103
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 2: There's such an entitlement of some of these figures of like, oh, well,

1104
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 2: they should have.

1105
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 4: Me on their plan.

1106
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let me come on their platform. It's like, no,

1107
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: it's their plot. They get to have on and not

1108
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: have on whoever they want, including your you know, war

1109
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: criminal father.

1110
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 3: You know the funny thing I found with this yaiyere

1111
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: in Nata Nyaho's situation and others, is that they gave

1112
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: the game away to clearly in the actual Nelk interview itself,

1113
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: because the Nelk interview you literally had Bbie say we're

1114
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: here to reach the young people of America, right, and

1115
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 3: then you had the fallout and the NELK guys were like, yeah,

1116
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 3: the White House tried to set it up. So obviously

1117
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: Israel and the White House tried to work together to

1118
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: reach out to all of these podcasters.

1119
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: By the way, if you reach out to.

1120
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 3: You and you denied it and you don't want or

1121
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: if you don't want to say it publicly, reach out

1122
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: to me and.

1123
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: I will leak it for you, Okay, happily will.

1124
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: But my point is just like I'm curious to see

1125
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: who else that they tried, you know, to get onto

1126
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 3: their platform and what the Israeli government kind of views

1127
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: as its problem. But I do think it is also

1128
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: clear of like some sort of vibe shift that Rogan

1129
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: himself is like, no, I'm not having you on, and

1130
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason for it, which is not

1131
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: you know, let's say this is Eve ahead of the

1132
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 3: NELT conversation You're like, ah, you know, it's not even

1133
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 3: just being equipped, you know, to sit there and to challenge.

1134
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: There is an actual debate here around how to force

1135
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: net and Yahoo where look, even in a be a

1136
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 3: Brett Bearer interview on Fox, I'm not saying he isn't

1137
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: lying and all that there's still at least some level

1138
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: of rigor. And there's a reason that even Beebie only

1139
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 3: agrees mostly to journalists interviews here in Washington. They're not

1140
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 3: that well equipped. He never sits down for interviews in Israel.

1141
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 3: Never for any of these people, you know, the equivalent,

1142
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: you know, the Israeli Left, or any sort of critical

1143
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: interview where they would destroy him if they had the

1144
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: ability to even sit with him for ten or fifteen minutes.

1145
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 3: He does them in English and these coshy things and

1146
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: makes it so, you know, he's a very skilled communicator,

1147
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: obviously in English, and what he wants to do is

1148
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: kind of try to use our media to broadly, you know,

1149
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: impact the US population, to keep them as pro Israel,

1150
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: to keep the dollars that are flowing towards him. I

1151
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 3: do think that there is a growing recognition because you

1152
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: I saw this the last time BB was in town

1153
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: after it is only his second time in Washington when

1154
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 3: he met with Tim Poole and all of those other

1155
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: guys behind the scenes, like they have a sense that

1156
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: the Internet and all of that is turning against them.

1157
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: Their belief is that they need to basically use these

1158
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: people as useful idiots. But there is also a growing

1159
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 3: recognition because of the democratic pressure, like small d against

1160
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: all of you know on the internet. Go just take

1161
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 3: a look not even comments, sections, views, videos, et cetera,

1162
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: of people who are critical of the government versus the

1163
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 3: people who are not. I would say, you know, it's

1164
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: pretty ninety ten in terms of the issue. You can

1165
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 3: see then that this's obviously indicative of how a large

1166
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: especially the younger population of America, really feels about it.

1167
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 3: Maybe tomorrow will cover this Turning Point USA focus group.

1168
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: It is like you could put it in a lab

1169
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 3: in terms of look, even with turning pointing all of

1170
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: them trying to keep it as pro Israel as possible,

1171
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: there was stuff in there where you're like, wow, like

1172
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 3: this is not good for the future of Israel and

1173
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: the Republican Party obviously. See on the Democratic Party, you know,

1174
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: things are moving rapidly.

1175
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: I think out over the last two years.

1176
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and to your point about the like, Okay,

1177
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: if you're going to do an interview with someone, you

1178
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: always want to go in with like, Okay, what is

1179
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: my goal in this interview? What do I want to

1180
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 2: accomplish here? Or do I want to persuade this person

1181
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: of something? Do I want to expose something? Do I

1182
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: want to just make them look bad?

1183
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 6: Like?

1184
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 4: What is it?

1185
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: And you know, like the interview Tucker did with the

1186
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 2: Iranian president or the interviews that Skahill does with Hamas

1187
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: or whatever are super useful because those perspectives are not

1188
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: presented in Western media at all.

1189
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: So just to get okay, what how are.

1190
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: They like, what is their propaganda, what is their view

1191
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: of the world, what are they selling to their constituents? Yeah,

1192
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: just that is valuable in those settings. We know what

1193
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: Netanyahu is selling the butt We get it all day long,

1194
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: So you have to ask yourself, Okay, what is the

1195
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: value of getting this, you know, propaganda line that we

1196
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: all could basically recite chapter and verse one more time

1197
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: from Netanyahu himself. And so the only reason really to

1198
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 2: have him on, in my opinion, is just to relentlessly

1199
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: and aggressively try to expose him as the monster effectively

1200
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: that he is.

1201
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 4: Like that's basically and.

1202
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 2: So if you aren't prepared or equipped to do that,

1203
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 2: which you know in the podcast like we're just having

1204
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: conversations mode is not going to happen, then there is

1205
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: no value in hearing for the one millionth time what

1206
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 2: the Israeli propaganda line is. Because you can read it

1207
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: in the New York Times, you can see it on

1208
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, hear it on CNN, you can hear it

1209
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 2: on Fox News, you can see at.

1210
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 4: The Wall Street Journal.

1211
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: Americans are very well acquainted with what the Israeli hospar

1212
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: is ultimately going to be, so it has an interview

1213
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 2: with him just sort of inherently has very limited value

1214
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: for that reason.

1215
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: Especially in that way, you know, in terms of the

1216
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: NLK way of Also, yeah, I mean it's just so ridiculous,

1217
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: like when the biggest pushback or whatever that you have

1218
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: is on Burger King and on McDonald's. Like what I

1219
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: find more interesting about it is that you know, if

1220
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: you take this demographic, we're not going to say it's maga,

1221
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: We're going to say it's like largely male, generally younger

1222
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 3: skewed more right wing in the twenty twenty four election,

1223
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 3: a lot of former Bernie bros. And if you see

1224
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: that energy as politically important, which I do, I still

1225
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: remain and believe that it is. Well, we can say

1226
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: then that it's pretty clear that things are breaking dramatically

1227
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: against the state of Israel, against BB now specifically, and

1228
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: to try to track that in the future for their

1229
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 3: ability to effectively try to communicate to the America, because

1230
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: as long as you know this free look, we have

1231
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 3: the CNN, the free press, Twitter and all that, they

1232
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: have an ironclad hold on the elite. But the rest

1233
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: of the population, in my opinion, is really not putting

1234
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: up with it anymore, including a lot of the Democrats,

1235
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: despite them having a lot of trust in the media.

1236
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 3: That is the breakage for what the future I think

1237
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: will look like for them, and they should be afraid, honestly,

1238
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 3: because if they do accomplish their goals, which honestly I

1239
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: think they will, I do. I just don't see a

1240
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: way to stop them. Like in terms of our political system,

1241
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I would. I would love to stop it.

1242
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 3: If we could, I would cut them off literally tomorrow.

1243
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: I would have done it, you know, October seventeenth or whatever.

1244
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: But nobody wants to do it. Nobody has any stomach,

1245
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: you know, for putting up with any of this stuff,

1246
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,959
Speaker 3: and after that happens, like, I don't see a way

1247
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: for them to actually re engineer the current status quo

1248
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 3: in terms of our politics.

1249
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.

1250
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past them, you know, there's very

1251
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: skilled political manipulators, but I could. I'm not quite sure

1252
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: they could ever do it again.

1253
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, if the Democratic Party weren't themselves

1254
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: complicit and leadership basically on board with the same project

1255
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: that you know, Trump was on board with, as evidenced

1256
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: by what happened under the Biden administration. I think it's

1257
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: a bit undersold how much this issue could actually turn

1258
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 2: things around for them and win back young you know,

1259
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: some of the young men in particular who have left them.

1260
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: And I think Zorn's a perfect example of this. Like, yes,

1261
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: Orn ran a great campaign that was focused on New

1262
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: Yorkers and affordability, et cetera. But I actually think a

1263
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: key part of his appeal and the reason why he

1264
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: was able to transform the electorate in New York City

1265
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: in a way that leftists have always dreamed and seldom

1266
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: been able to actually pull off. But he actually did it,

1267
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: and he gets you know, like Andrew Schultz's was amenable

1268
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: to him.

1269
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan was impressed with him, like.

1270
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 2: The podcast Yeah, the podcast Universe was like, Okay, you know,

1271
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 2: I may not agree with everything, but like, I see

1272
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: where you're coming from. This issue is becoming such a

1273
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: clear dividing line. And I've been saying it in the

1274
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: Democratic parties of it, but I really think it's becoming

1275
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: a clear American dividing line because it's a question, you know,

1276
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: if you're sort of like more right populist inclined, is

1277
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: a question of well, what's your priority? Why are you

1278
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: talking about this foreign country not focused here? If you

1279
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: are you know, more on the like sort of liberal,

1280
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: if you care about seeing babies starve to death with

1281
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: your tax dollars, for example, Obviously it's a moral atrocity.

1282
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: It's a moral line. And then it also signals are

1283
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: you willing to stand up against powerful entrench interests. Are

1284
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: you willing to be independent? Are you willing to go

1285
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: against the trend? When you're getting called an anti semi

1286
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: and you're being smeared and your own party won't even

1287
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: endorse you or have anything to do with you, Like,

1288
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: do you have the backbone to stand up against that?

1289
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: And so, you know, if Democrats had any soul or intelligence,

1290
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: they would realize that this issue, as much as they

1291
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: want to dismiss it as sort of a sideshow, it

1292
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: actually is becoming a central dividing line in American politics.

1293
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: And certainly it is a massive, glaring gulf. And we'll

1294
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: talk more about this in the DEM's block between Democratic

1295
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: leadership and where the base of the Democratic Party is.

1296
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 2: And I think there are going to be many Democrats

1297
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: who crash into the rocks of trying to hold on

1298
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: to their apax support and losing the entire Democratic base

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Speaker 2: in the process.