WEBVTT - Scheherezade

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Lisa and I am Kara, And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what this podcast is hopefully or maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this episode's your first one you just decided to

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<v Speaker 1>dive in in the one nineties, we talk about an

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Law and Order SVU, we talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>true crime is based on, and sometimes we talk to

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<v Speaker 1>a guest. And first off, I wanted to share some

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<v Speaker 1>exciting news with you guys today that Lisa and I

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be back out on the road soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Bear.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing a little spooky season tour this October. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, La San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 1>or Portland, get your shit together and come see us.

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<v Speaker 1>We do great live shows. They're really fun that switch

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<v Speaker 1>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>If you went last time, if you've seen us, We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna try to switch it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna switch it up. We never do the same

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<v Speaker 1>episode in the same city. We don't believe Para has

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<v Speaker 1>a spreadsheet. You don't think the has cross references, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I have a spreadsheet, baby, it is insane. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come up with like fun new games, like I'm excited,

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<v Speaker 1>and yes, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>My longest stretch outside of the pandemic that I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been on the road and it's you know, I'm really

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<v Speaker 2>loving it. But I also can't wait for our spooky

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<v Speaker 2>season adventures. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. It's so great to

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<v Speaker 2>meet all you guys. We'll have some fun tour exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>merch that we usually sell and yeah, I mean we're pumped.

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<v Speaker 2>So go to thats messed uplive dot com that that

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<v Speaker 2>will have links to all the individual venues andickets and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, come see us live or the sad truth

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<v Speaker 2>is we won't be able to come to your city again.

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<v Speaker 1>If people don't come, we can't come. That's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way it goes up. Top though, on this podcast, you

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<v Speaker 1>know we love to chat, Lisa, take it away?

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<v Speaker 3>What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Well did you see who the crowned

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<v Speaker 2>winner of Drag Race All Stars?

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<v Speaker 1>I did, And I actually just confess this to my friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna confess it to you right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually obviously there's a spoiler spoiler or not because we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the time, Michie and so go fuck yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, I don't know, I'm amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you're listening to this episode, they crown the

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<v Speaker 1>winner like three weeks ago, but you know, do fast

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<v Speaker 1>forward a few minutes so that you don't hear us

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<v Speaker 1>talking about it. But I clicked on a link to

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<v Speaker 1>find out who won. I was so far behind. I

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<v Speaker 1>just was like, I'm not gonna be able to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>who won, so I'm just gonna find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird, it's all weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I love Angeria, like for sure, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was a weird decision because I know Plas doesn't learn

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<v Speaker 2>the words, but above him be she's incredible. Plus Stice

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<v Speaker 2>not even being in the top three and she does dance,

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<v Speaker 2>she's I just feel like it's crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I will, okay, so id of anything. If it

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<v Speaker 3>was the top three, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>If it was Angeria, who was it Roxy and Vangie.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it should have been Fangy that clamshell outfit.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I liked what Vangie was bringing. She was great

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<v Speaker 2>in the Ruscle, Like, I just don't understand giving it

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<v Speaker 2>to this young girl queen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I had friends that said they thought Roxy was gonna win,

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<v Speaker 1>which I would have loved, which I would have thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Roxy is legendary and like she's always been great, like

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<v Speaker 1>they've you know, I just thought, maybe, yeah, let's give

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<v Speaker 1>it to somebody who's like a little bit more quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote old school, from like an older season. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>she's from season five. Originally it was already.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so funny at the end, like Nina West

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<v Speaker 2>was disappointed and it's like in what world were like,

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<v Speaker 2>you've had too this whole time, Like you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Going wait tell me this little bit of a spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>Does Chanelle ever get a badge?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? She gets three badges? Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Her and George just do a really cool thing where

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<v Speaker 2>they both win a benefactress badge and then part of

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<v Speaker 2>that win includes giving another one to someone else, and

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<v Speaker 2>they just gave it to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, so that got her to two.

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<v Speaker 2>And then she won one, so another one or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's how it is great.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like worried for some reason that Chanel wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get one, but I am going to catch up obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like I wasn't going to avoid spoilers for

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<v Speaker 1>all these weeks, so I just clicked and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's weird. I didn't think that's who was going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, I never really know what the reasoning or

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<v Speaker 1>the politics is behind to some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, no, I like her a lot, so I

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<v Speaker 2>feel weird even being like justs dissecting. She did have

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<v Speaker 2>six badges at the end of the day, shine where

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<v Speaker 2>badges and everyone else, So yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>that's that she should have won. She had the most

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<v Speaker 2>amount of badges. That's who I like that. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>take it all back. I just had favorites throughout and

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<v Speaker 2>so that's just where it's coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, sure, I also yeah, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to say about these no go home seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>They just don't have the same stakes for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't well, even if they don't go home,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a check at the end, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>competitive people, so I know they care about being champions,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just feel like even a pro like for

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<v Speaker 2>it to also be charity and no one goes home

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<v Speaker 2>and no one writes money.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just well, I think it was the pit Stop.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, Tricksy's on a break famously and so

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<v Speaker 2>the pit Stop was fucking Bob and or was it

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<v Speaker 2>just the podcast?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it Bob? I mean I I just listened to

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<v Speaker 3>that this morning, Bob and Katya. I'm watching too much content.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything is okay, pit Stop All Stars nine, Okay, yes

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<v Speaker 2>it was. I was correct. I'm not losing my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It was Bob and Katya. So I was in heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bob and Katya for the they were like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>plus to cover your face.

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<v Speaker 3>She has not won one dollar for her charity.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was one mini challenge where she I think

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<v Speaker 2>was able to win twenty five hundred. They have like

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<v Speaker 2>fun games in the workroom, but like truly she gets

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<v Speaker 2>a benefactress badge, but it's not one. Ellipse has not

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<v Speaker 2>won a lipsy she's so bad at lip syncing, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's not she just doesn't know the words. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the dancing I thought one she should have won.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the professional drag queens. I tried to I

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<v Speaker 2>what is it? I give it up to them for

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<v Speaker 2>their opinion, like they know more than me. So then

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<v Speaker 2>you defer to them. I defer to them, and they

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<v Speaker 2>keep being like she didn't know the words, and like

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't even notice.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a god, Like I didn't even She's just so

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<v Speaker 3>great to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she did not win, not one dollar, and they

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<v Speaker 2>were like just saying how she should cover her face

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<v Speaker 2>and how embarrassing it is for her charity.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, like if they did something where it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, you get two undergrand and so does

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<v Speaker 1>your charity or something, you know what I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>you split. So it's like there's more stakes in it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're actually going against each other for we know how

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<v Speaker 1>much money they're spending on their wardrobe. So it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be nice for the Ulsters.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave them budgets or something because to them, they

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<v Speaker 2>are canceling their calendars. These are very popular queens, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so you do have to compensate that. So what is

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<v Speaker 2>that amount of money for someone that's spending half that

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<v Speaker 2>just to go there?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, I don't know what I'm talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>But I love watching Draft.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it. I like the show.

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<v Speaker 1>No, me too, me too, I'm gonna keep watching. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like I didn't have the urgency to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>top of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I don't know what my opinions are

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<v Speaker 2>and what the internet tells me from the pitstop and

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<v Speaker 2>fashion photo review, But when they sing for their life

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in the competition, it is just more fear

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<v Speaker 2>like aha as the volcano, like doing I need a

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<v Speaker 2>hero like for her life. Like it's just more engaging,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, than just an incredible performance.

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<v Speaker 3>They are really putting it out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my friend told me that Canada versus the world

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<v Speaker 1>is a fun ride right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's all I gotta jump into that. I

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<v Speaker 2>got it, so we could jump into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well to move on to another show that our listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>many of our listeners say, we don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>shows you're talking about up top, Well, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night there was an episode of Jersey that was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to have like a big bombshell.

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<v Speaker 3>Did watched it today?

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<v Speaker 1>I was brave, dumb, and it's like, there's just no bombshell.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've been like today I've been kind of scouring

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<v Speaker 1>the internet for content like is there a bombshell?

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<v Speaker 3>Like is this a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, Teresa Judize thinks that her scam artist husband he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>that lawyer ruined that lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>That lawyer look goofy as fun. That is not a

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer you want in the courtroom. I'm sorry, that is

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<v Speaker 2>a grease ball.

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<v Speaker 1>I will if you don't watch the show, I will

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<v Speaker 1>explain to you an iconic thing that happens. So Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that her friend, her ex friend, Margaret, who by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, two years ago, was at her wedding with

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, like bruh, came to the wedding two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, no, this evil woman just is all

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<v Speaker 1>about ruining my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I Marge is like one of my all time favorites.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she she's like, she's talking to my husband's ex wife.

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<v Speaker 1>It's putting out all these rumors. Okay, whatever, whatever. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows if any of that's true. I don't think it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but whatever. She doesn't have any proof. She calls her

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer to her house and gets all the friends to

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<v Speaker 1>come so that she can point out to them how

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<v Speaker 1>Margaret is the evil devil and has this huge bombshell.

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<v Speaker 1>She's say, it's gonna make you a headspin. Nothing is revealed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically revealed that she's had a conversation with his

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<v Speaker 1>ex wife or ex girlfriend, like it doesn't matter, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it really isn't pot.

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<v Speaker 2>She's doing her job, she's getting dirt, Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>what do you want?

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<v Speaker 3>This is so boring. This is so boring.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so all the housewives are like their faces are

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<v Speaker 1>like what, like there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a nothing burger.

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<v Speaker 1>So then they go to they in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>this big shit talk fest that's supposed to be this

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<v Speaker 1>huge bomb, the doorbell rings and a funeral style like

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<v Speaker 1>wreath of flowers is delivered and it's addressed to Teresa

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<v Speaker 1>and her lawyer and it says, so sorry for the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of your dignity. Love love, love Marge. And I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought it was iconic. I thought it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a great housewife move. It was great television.

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa goes refuse, get it off my property, like she

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't take the flowers, of course into her home. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was you got got That was really fun. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so good. It was really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're not in a grade and I'm rewatching the

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<v Speaker 2>OC like, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to get through it. Like I'm on season

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<v Speaker 2>eight of The Rewatch and it's the current season's eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I could do ten more seasons, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I truly these I don't like viag I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much I hated Vicky, like I knew I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like her, But now it's like, oh, you're vile Tamras.

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<v Speaker 3>They're vile liar like.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's why when they were like giving like Vivy Vicky,

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<v Speaker 1>like the housewipe of like the Generation Award, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're Ali.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like gross, you were on that and I told

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<v Speaker 2>you to shut up and that I did tear up.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that. I remember that moment. But that's part

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<v Speaker 3>of what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They get everything comes in waves, like I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the girls on Bitches. She used to always be like

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<v Speaker 1>we are huge flip floppers. Like one season they hate one,

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<v Speaker 1>the next season they're the greatest thing that's ever happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's what it's designed for, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like Brooks pretending to have cancer and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like so clear that he doesn't have cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Watching it. He's at a party, is being like I'm good.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I, yeah, it's a really intense thing for

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<v Speaker 2>most people that I feel have it, even if they

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<v Speaker 2>are at a party.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Like, parties aren't illegal, but you're not brook sing

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<v Speaker 3>it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also there was your son had a little

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<v Speaker 2>too much partying, and I would love you for you

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 3>You posted a story. Oh my god. Okay, so everybody

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<v Speaker 3>get ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still in my potty learning journey with my son Oscar.

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<v Speaker 1>He is doing amazing at home. At home, he tells us,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go pee. He shuts the door, goes in

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<v Speaker 1>and does it by himself. He pees, the number two

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<v Speaker 1>is it's going. It's like do at home, mostly successful,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't say there's not an accident here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>At school, the peeing is good. The number two is

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<v Speaker 1>always in the pants, always in the pants. In another location,

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<v Speaker 1>he just doesn't get it, like, oh wait, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom here, even though he goes pe in it every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So I took him to my friend's house for a platedate.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Rosy's friend. They know him like he's there

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. So at one point he has like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of little thing in his underwear, and so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, well, I'm just gonna take your underwear off

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<v Speaker 1>and put it in his zip block and save it

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<v Speaker 1>to the rest. So all this to say, he's free

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<v Speaker 1>bawling in these little shorts he's got on. Okay, he

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<v Speaker 1>comes up to me and the mom while we're having

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<v Speaker 1>a glass of wine and goes, I pooped in the

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<v Speaker 1>hall And I look around and I see what can

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<v Speaker 1>only be described as the largest herd I've ever seen

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<v Speaker 1>come out of a child's body in my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was, it would have been shocking coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of an adult. It's just sitting in the hallway. But luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had just had their house cleaned, like

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<v Speaker 1>they had just their housekeeper had just been there. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I am she is such a cool

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<v Speaker 1>mom that I knew. Like it was not that like

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't super super mortified, but I was pretty mortified.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was luckily a compact situation that I could

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<v Speaker 1>just pick up and with a wipe and put in

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet. But wow, then he immediately got into a

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<v Speaker 1>unicorn costume with a crown and was taking cute little

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<v Speaker 1>pictures looking like a little angel. But yeah, crap, throughd

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor at my friend's very cool house. This

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<v Speaker 1>is my worst I know we have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>parents that listen, and I know some of you feel

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<v Speaker 1>me because it's truly just the worst part of parenting

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I literally cannot stand potty training. Rosie did

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<v Speaker 1>it in three seconds. I have not been blessed this

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<v Speaker 1>time around with that kind of response time.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're working on it. We're getting there, but it's tough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm like, I asked you for this story, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like stunned out, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're like your face is like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then okay, So then I posted a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>him on his and Rosie's private Instagram, which only people

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<v Speaker 1>I know follow are are allowed to follow, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wrote like it was a story that just said, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, something like that feeling when you just did

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<v Speaker 1>a poop on the floor at a play date, but

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<v Speaker 1>I use the poop emoji whatever, And I was like

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<v Speaker 1>nervous after I posted it, like, am I bad for

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<v Speaker 1>doing this? But it really is a private account only

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<v Speaker 1>like a couple few people are seeing it, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that big of a deal. But I sent

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<v Speaker 1>to a couple moms and they were like, no, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares. I was like, great, it's like those dogs SHAMINGO.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't people get really upset about those what like those

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<v Speaker 1>dog shaming accounts where it's like, look what I just did,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a picture of the dog with like

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<v Speaker 1>a like they just ripped apart a or done something

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<v Speaker 1>horrible or you know, like gotten into the dog food

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<v Speaker 1>and then barfed everywhere or whatever. I thought like I

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<v Speaker 1>was dog shaming, but with a child who can eventually

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<v Speaker 1>grow up, and well, he's not gonna go into my archives.

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<v Speaker 1>He's never gonna see it. I am like so into

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<v Speaker 1>my Explorer page right now. It's truly just cute animal

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm in the heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>All I did was follow like NBC Olympics account and

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<v Speaker 1>my whole Explorer pages Olympics and I'm loving it. I

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<v Speaker 1>am watching bad minton rallies, I am watching Simon, I

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<v Speaker 1>am watching so many like the the tandem diving.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh yeah, I've been following Alona mar and she the

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<v Speaker 2>rugby girl, right yeah, She's been in my Explorer a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Too, probably because you follow her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's great. She's great. I went on a deep dive

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<v Speaker 2>where I was like, this is psychotic. She probably, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just so many followers. Probably not, but the notification

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<v Speaker 2>would be glitter. She's liked this photo and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty others like that is how it went.

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<v Speaker 4>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I went down to the beginning of her insta just

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<v Speaker 2>like every little fun video and she's been doing it

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<v Speaker 2>a while and they're also funny. It's just cool when

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<v Speaker 2>someone just I mean, that's what's great about the Internet.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people just they know what's her.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen them, but I haven't really been paying attention,

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<v Speaker 1>like what's her vibe, what's she doing?

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<v Speaker 3>She's like funny and a rugby player.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, she's okay, And so her videos are just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like funny musings or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot about like dating and her other girls,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, she's been eating a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>bread and cheese. Listen, she's taken the nation by storm

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<v Speaker 2>and the world a million followers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I started following another million follower follower person. I

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<v Speaker 1>just started following Drew A. Fwallow from Caleb's podcast. I

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<v Speaker 1>think right, yeah, yeah, And I just think I heard

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<v Speaker 1>her on the Tricksy podcast and was like, oh, you're funny, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just started following her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so what are you gonna do? She hits

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<v Speaker 2>it up in my explore page.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen. Yeah. Phones have been amazing. I've oh I had

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<v Speaker 3>a Phones have been very important for us in this

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<v Speaker 3>time of the Olympics.

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<v Speaker 2>I have had a delicious case idia. I am late night.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know this even existed near my house, and

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<v Speaker 2>to know I'm so happy, Oh amazing, So.

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<v Speaker 3>To like, I went home. I walked home at like

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<v Speaker 3>two in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's dangerous, and I found a Casidia and I

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<v Speaker 2>was so happy. And the other people eating it truly

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<v Speaker 2>looked like the end of an action movie where they're

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<v Speaker 2>like so tired, because they just did like a big

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<v Speaker 2>heist or like hijinks just happened. Like they were all

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<v Speaker 2>like hot tired, but not that tired, and they did

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<v Speaker 2>look like a tinge of criminality with fun piercings. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, like a party was like they just oceaned

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<v Speaker 2>eleven and they're having like.

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<v Speaker 3>Another grabbing a case of d That love how I

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<v Speaker 3>felt about them. I mean or you know, they're not

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<v Speaker 3>who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of amazing how simple a casadia is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a tortilla and she's I got anything. I

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<v Speaker 1>got so much, Okay, but it's so much better out

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<v Speaker 1>than you could ever make it at home. I made

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<v Speaker 1>one for myself this past weekend and was like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just not the same thing as getting it either.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not going to put the amount of cheese and

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<v Speaker 2>grease it takes.

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<v Speaker 3>To make it good. Yeah I did, but I like

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I used butter for the outside. But yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>never as good as like even a snack bar casadia

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<v Speaker 1>at like a random freaking pool or something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's just better.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we wrap up and get started with today's episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, As we said at the beginning, that's messed up

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<v Speaker 1>live dot com. That's got links to all these tour

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<v Speaker 1>dates that we just announced. It's got links to the

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<v Speaker 1>link that says Liza's website takes you to her link

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<v Speaker 1>tree with her live dates that she's doing coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>and it also takes you to our merch and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes you to our you know, if you're gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>see us, we love when you wear our merch to

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<v Speaker 1>our shows. And then uh, it's got our promo codes

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<v Speaker 1>to guys shop our promo codes. Please, we'd love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And with that, let's get going on one of Lisa's

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<v Speaker 1>most hated episodes. Okay, today all Lisa is showing me

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<v Speaker 1>the ax Lottle that she got from It's so Tony Island.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, a listener told me.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like listen for one listener wrote me and said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have axcel Lott's as pets anymore. But then

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<v Speaker 1>another listener said, I have two ax Lottel's, but they're older,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's worried about me spreading the about me getting

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<v Speaker 1>an axce Lottle as a pet, and I go, ma'am,

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<v Speaker 1>there's simply no chance that I'm getting an axce Lottle

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<v Speaker 1>as a pet, so don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But then she sent me photos of them to show Rosie.

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<v Speaker 2>I have any ever received more messages than Oxalottle messages.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I won the ox lot, people are like, Ohxlottle,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was definitely a moment for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, truly, Like sloths can just go extinct now, like

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<v Speaker 1>their day is over.

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<v Speaker 3>Your day in the sun. That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>No, my friend Marcia got one a sloth with a

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<v Speaker 2>little orange vest on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying slots are very five years ago, like

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<v Speaker 1>saxe loels are right now, all right, all right, they're

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<v Speaker 1>the hot animal of the moment, all right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It is my least favorite episode. I did go to

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<v Speaker 2>bed to it last night, and I actually didn't finish

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<v Speaker 2>it because I passed out because I hate it. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be really surprising when you tell me, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>it ends. I remember some of it, but it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>it's a silly one. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not silly, it's different. You know. I hate the

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<v Speaker 2>ones where it's like we're going to death. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>other one? I hate the beauty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Count Down.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't like countdown episodes where it's like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like almost that, like this guy's got ten hours before

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<v Speaker 1>his lethal injection and we got to find out where

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<v Speaker 1>the body is that he buried.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't like those like kind of countdown episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, And I hate this one because this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>like I would honestly throw him in a cage and

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<v Speaker 2>go surry up.

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<v Speaker 3>Sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, This episode is called Shaharazad. It's from season eight,

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<v Speaker 1>episode ten, airing on the second day of January in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seven. And we open at Stabler's favorite

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<v Speaker 1>place in the world church, Okay, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what this is.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a confirmation.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids are picking different names, and oh my, I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>in my notes, OMG, this might be the only line

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth slash Lizzie Stabler ever has had.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they go, what name have you chosen?

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<v Speaker 1>She goes Claire, and then he goes peace be with you,

0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:37.399
<v Speaker 1>and she goes and also with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I've ever heard that kid speak another time.

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>They literally gave all of Stabler's children got their own episodes.

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.800
<v Speaker 1>This one child, the girl twin, gets absolutely nothing. I

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<v Speaker 1>know she's recast in oc and I think she's back

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:52.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more and speaks more. But as a child,

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<v Speaker 1>we do not see Elizabeth Stabler speak very much. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole Stabler family's in the pews. Elliott's absolutely beaming, like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing makes him happier than the Lord. His children are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting their confirmation names. Dicky's up now, he

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<v Speaker 1>chooses Michael for his confirmation. Maureen's like I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>chose Peter. And Stabler looks at him like he's about

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<v Speaker 1>to absolutely barf with happiness and goes, no, Saint Michael,

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the patron saint of cops, like he's so fucking pumped

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<v Speaker 1>that his son has chosen the cop saint for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy goes, yeah, he's trying to please his dad, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Kathleen, a fucking bitchy voice of reason, goes yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's gonna get you two back together.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'll remember, this is season eight, so the Stabler

0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.520
<v Speaker 1>marriage is unstable and that's what's happening. So afterwards they're

0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 1>all filing out and Stabler's kind of trying to play

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.520
<v Speaker 1>happy family. He's like, you guys want to go get burgers?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want to go to?

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<v Speaker 1>P Andng And that is a cafe on the Upper

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:50.399
<v Speaker 1>West Side that closed ten years ago, and like it

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<v Speaker 1>was the historic bar on the Upper West Side. But

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<v Speaker 1>they live in Queen's so, like, where's the church were

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<v Speaker 1>going into Manhattan for burgers?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confused about the geography anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathleen says, I'm a vegetarian and they have big plans

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<v Speaker 1>to go to Grandma's.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want to hang out with you, Dad.

0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like next weekend, and Kathleen's like, okay, Boomer, we

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.199
<v Speaker 1>hate you. And she drags Marine away and Kathy's like

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.119
<v Speaker 1>it's still hard for them, and like then he's like, uh,

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, and he's trying to play it cool. Then

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<v Speaker 1>a priest comes up to speak to Elliott. He needs

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<v Speaker 1>a favor, and you know, that's like a celebrity for

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Elliott Stabler, so he's like, anything for you. He tells

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<v Speaker 1>him about this man in hospice named jud Tierney. He

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<v Speaker 1>has end stage lung cancer and he wants Stabler to

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 1>go talk to him. And he's like about what, and

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'm a priest, bitch, you know I can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell you that. So Stabler goes, well, okay, cool, can

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<v Speaker 1>I go Friday? And the priest is like this guy

0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.720
<v Speaker 1>won't last that long, Like can you go sooner please?

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<v Speaker 3>So in the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Scene, Stabler is at the hospice meeting jud Tierney, who

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<v Speaker 1>is played by Brian Denahe who is a legendary actor.

0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>He was a big Eugene O'Neill guy, like he did

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I remember him, like winning the Emmy for Death of

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a salesman when they did it as a TV movie,

0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 1>but I guess he was considered like one of the

0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 1>greatest interpreters of Eugene O'Neil like plays. He's also Chris

0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Farley's dad and Tommy Boy huge for me, and he's

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 1>in so many fucking movies. But the thing I remember

0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>him from the most, that I think of about him

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:12.920
<v Speaker 1>the second I see him is that he played John

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Wayne Gacy in a TV movie from nineteen ninety two

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.199
<v Speaker 1>called to Catch a Killer, which absolutely terrified me. Like

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I watched it when I was like eleven and was like,

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>this clown is just murdering boys after he sexually assaults

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.119
<v Speaker 1>them and hiding them under his fucking porch, Like it

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.199
<v Speaker 1>was so horrifying. So whenever I see Brian Dunhee, I'm

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>like Joe Wayne Gacy, It's like the first thing that

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.160
<v Speaker 1>comes to my mind. And I'd also didn't realize he's

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.639
<v Speaker 1>from Connecticut. He died in twenty twenty, so rest in

0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>peace to Brian Dunnhee.

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 3>He was quite a legend.

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Sabler walks in and this guy goes yeah, still, So.

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I know him from, Like obviously

0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.439
<v Speaker 2>a brother of name Brian Dennay.

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, like he's you know.

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.280
<v Speaker 2>But so I'm scrolling IMDb from the bottom up, being like,

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:55.919
<v Speaker 2>what do I know him from?

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know this, but there's a TV movie

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 3>called Skokie. Click on it. What's it about? You know what?

0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 3>It's about? The Nazis marching? Oh?

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I thought it was like, maybe just like a

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 1>heartwarming movie about a suburb family drama.

0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:15.119
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 2>The nazis a dramatization of the controversial trial concerning the

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.959
<v Speaker 2>right for neo Nazis to march in the predominantly Jewish

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>community of Skokey. There's a big it's based. It's honestly

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>our future. It's the cover is an American flag and

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.240
<v Speaker 2>in the center of it is the Swastika.

0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 3>In a circle. Oh my god.

0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.679
<v Speaker 2>And it says, just how far can we go with

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech?

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 3>Skokey Skoky Wow? Wow? Carl Reiner is in it.

0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, But I'm gonna keep scrolling as you talk

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:53.120
<v Speaker 2>to see where I actually know Brian danny Hey from though, Okay.

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well it famously in Tommy Boy. He's like Tommy Boys,

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen eyes. Oh my god, you've never seen

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Tommy Boy. I love tummy Boys so much. So Stabler

0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>walks in and Brian Tierney is like, I'm still here.

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Get me some more of that yummy jello if you're

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna be here, you know. Like he's in a power wheelchair.

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 1>He's giving lots of sarcasm, and then Elliott says he's

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>from the NYPD and Jud goes thirty years I've been

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>waiting for this day. You almost missed me. And then

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>he's coughing and we go to the credits. Okay, so

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of doing like a wheel and talk down

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the hall of the hospice home like Jud's like, oh,

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>in my day, priests used to keep their mouth shut,

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, honey, they still do. Uh. And he

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:38.639
<v Speaker 1>asks if he needs a lawyer, and we sense like

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 1>a profession.

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Guess what he was in ratituy. I did see that.

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I did see that when I was perusing his IMDb.

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>He asks like, do I need a lawyer? And we

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>do sense that there's like a confession of some sort

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 2>on the horizon right and right, and he asks Stabler,

0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 2>what are you charging me with? And Stabler goes, you

0:26:57.600 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 2>need me to tell you and Jud goes, you don't know,

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>got me not bad flat foot so like Brian and

0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:05.199
<v Speaker 2>he's really great, Like you can just tell when they

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>bring an excellent actors onto the show, like he is

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 2>really good in this and he's like, yeah, you don't

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.159
<v Speaker 2>fucking know what I have. You know, you're so I

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 2>can literally dangle you for as long as I want

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>because you actually don't know what I've done. Truly, besides Ratituey,

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything he's done.

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 3>Svu and Ratituey. Wow. Maybe it was maybe he was.

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 2>On the Simpson like they talked about him, because I'm like,

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:29.720
<v Speaker 2>the name is very Wait.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>Did you see on the Simpsons? Somebody sent us this?

0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you saw it. The girl, the

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:37.639
<v Speaker 1>woman who voices Bart, is related to Sabrina Carpenter.

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like her niece or something.

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.919
<v Speaker 1>They did a question and answer with Nancy Cartwright and

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 1>she goes, is Sabrina Carpenter your niece? She goes, yeah,

0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't that crazy, and like she talks about Sabrina.

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 3>Carpenter for a minute.

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, cool, fam Sabrina Carpenter. Her arena tour is sold out? Baby,

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, aunt, yes, so is Bart Simpson, which is

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 2>like a hilarious sentence. Yeah, that's insane. Her aunt is

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.199
<v Speaker 2>the richest aunt there ever was.

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that almost makes me. That's like almost nipowie to me.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.720
<v Speaker 1>That says nepowie as Emma Roberts being related to Julia Roberts,

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 1>although Emma Roberts's father was also an actor, Eric Roberts,

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>but not as famous as her.

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 3>On I mean that is that's cool. Yeah.

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So now we've arrived back in Jud's room and he

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>has a little mini fridge with beers in it. I

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.120
<v Speaker 1>guess at the end you can just do whatever. They

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>just let you keep beers in your fridge at your

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:44.560
<v Speaker 1>hospice home. Oh okay, And Stabler explains SVU to him,

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>like what you know, crimes against women and children and homicides.

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Judd goes, oh, sounds like father Dennis sent me the

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>right guy. Stable's like, you can talk to me, and

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Judd goes, don't rush me. Stabler's like, I'm not rushing you,

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>but I heard the devil is waiting on your ass.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 2>And then I know you're sick of me, but I'm

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:03.959
<v Speaker 2>an okay you again. Brian Denahey is mentioned on an

0:29:03.960 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>episode of the Simpsons. So basically they're in the movies

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's jaws wired shut.

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 3>It's when Homer gets his jaw wired shut.

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>But anyways, so they're in the movies and there's like

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:22.400
<v Speaker 2>a movie star scramble happening and it's Mot Hanks or yeah,

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and so Lisa's like, obviously it's Tom Hanks, but then

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it's Autumn Shank and she goes, who and then a

0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Pooh goes He's the Indians. He's India's answer to Brian Denahey,

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.160
<v Speaker 2>and so that's how I know Brian wow.

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's your reference. And to me, he's John Wayne Gacy.

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>But he's also was a legendary stage actor with with

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>with so many, so many credits, so I'm sure everybody

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>has seen him in something, but for us it's weird stuff.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>So he's like, I'm not rushing you, but I heard

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>the devil's waiting on your ass. And then jud says,

0:29:57.520 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to see my daughter. Why don't you bring

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 1>her here? And they go does she know you're dying?

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.280
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, yeah, the doctors had to call her

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 1>because she hung up on me. So the relationship is contentious.

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>You can tell. Judd says, I got a lot to

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>get off my chest. Bring her here and I'll tell

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you everything. And believe me, there's a lot to tell.

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 3>So at the.

0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Precinct they've checked this guy out. There's no priors under

0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the name Johnson Tierney without fingerprints, though it could be

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>an alias. He owns a home in Regal Park. He

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>opened a locksmiths shop in nineteen seventy one worked there

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>every day until he got sick a year ago. He's

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>got no debt, eighteen thousand dollars in his checking account

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.479
<v Speaker 1>and a small IRA, no red flags. He's never been

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:36.200
<v Speaker 1>a suspect or a person of interest in an investigation

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>like Clean, Clean Clean. The daughter is Sheila Tierney Dumont, teacher,

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>married with two kids. She's on eighty third Street. Liv

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>wants to tag along and Stabler's like, you think he

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>molested her, and she's like, well, that priest picked you

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.120
<v Speaker 1>for a reason. So the next scene where at Sheila's home,

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>which is, you know, based on the address in the

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>middle of the Hudson River, and he immediately we immediately

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>hear her saying, my life is none of your business.

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>And look who it is. It's our friend of the

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>pod Paget Brewster, we love her. She is in a

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>large home with stairs, and my sister's a teacher in

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>New York City and she simply doesn't live in a brownstone.

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>So I'm really interested in what this woman's husband does

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>or because you know they have a teacher, does not

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 1>have a home with stairs, I would say, in New

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>York City. And she's like, fuck that guy, come back

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>when he's dead and I'll pop the champagne. Stabler, the

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>patrons saying of bad dads, is like, I think he's

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>just trying to, you know, clear his conscience, and she says,

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>I haven't spoken to my dad since nineteen eighty nine,

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>when I was eighteen, after my mom died. They're like,

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>does he even know about his granddaughters? And she's like, yeah,

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.840
<v Speaker 1>you went to their school and introduced himself on the

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>playground and I did not like that. Benson cuts to

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the chase did he abuse you? And she's like, I

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Am not going to have that conversation and wants them

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>to leave. Stabler leaves a card and tells her that

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>her daughters are beautiful. She stops them and goes, hold on,

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>there's a box in the basement and okay, she also

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>has a basement, so it's a big house, and she

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>wants them to take the box to him as a

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:02.440
<v Speaker 1>bombvage present so she is not shedding any tears over

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 1>her dad being in his final.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 3>Days of life.

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>In the basement, they find the box and it's filled

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>with hundreds of cards that he sent her over the years.

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 3>They're unopened.

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 1>They all say please forgive me and have one hundred

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>dollars in them cash. She doesn't want the money. She's like,

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>give it to charity. There's something's money can't buy. And like,

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Olivia goes like forgiveness and she's like, give it up.

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to talk about it. And they're like,

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>why did you save these? She goes, I was saving

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>them for this exact occasion. I wanted him to know

0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that I never read a single one, which is like, wow,

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 1>that is hatred. You know. Outside, Benson and Stabler are chatting.

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>She thinks that our dad molested her. Stabler's like, I'm

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.040
<v Speaker 1>not getting the purv vibe from him, and I'm like, lol,

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>he literally played John Wayne Gacy like this man like

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>played one of the worst job molester and murderers of

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 1>all time, and liv asks like, why is this guy

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>under your skin? And Elliott's like, he's not, he's not,

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>but you know you can tell it's all related to

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>fatherhood and what's going on with his family and his kids.

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:03.600
<v Speaker 1>The cards give them Prince and saliva, so they'll get

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>DNA soon enough on this guy and see like what's

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.760
<v Speaker 1>in the system. Lives like, let's drop the cards at

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>the lab and grab dinner, and Elliott suggests, how about

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the cafeteria at Haven House, which is the hospice where

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Tierney lives live. Looks pissed, she wanted a nice meal,

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 1>and Elliot's like, I want you to meet Tierney.

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>So when they get there and Elliott calls Olivia in,

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>she sort of steps into the doorway and she's backlit

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and Judson Tierney is like kind of on morphine, and

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>he thinks that it's Sheila.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 3>He thinks it's his daughter, and he's like.

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Sheila, honey, and then he realizes that Sheila wouldn't come,

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, oh no, she's a tough kid. Death

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:41.640
<v Speaker 1>isn't going to soften her up. And he's coughing. He's

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>got like pressing the button for this morphine drip that

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>he's on. They're like, how does Sheila look? And Sin's like,

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 1>she's beautiful. So are your two granddaughters. He goes Ashley

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and lindsay, god knows where she dug up those names, yes,

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>extremely rare, weird names for late eighties and nineties. So

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 1>he remembers one of them has a birthday coming up.

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I gotta send her a card, and like

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 1>live shoots a look over at Elliott, like, well, they're

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>not going to.

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 3>Get the cards.

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Benson asks what did you do to Sheila? And he goes,

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I heard her and then he says, I'm sorry, baby,

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>and then he just falls asleep. So the morphine has

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>him kind of drifting in and out of consciousness. Sometimes,

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's beeper goes off that the lab has completed the

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>fastest analysis in history because they literally just came from

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.760
<v Speaker 1>her house and they've already run the Prince. Benson offers

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 1>to stay in case. Tierney wakes up at the lab.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.840
<v Speaker 1>O'haler and is like, we got great DNA samples, but

0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 1>he's not the system. It's like, obviously the DNA would

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>be from like you know, like I don't know he's

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 1>an older guy. DNA only started like twenty years before

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>this episode. But then he also left perfect prints on

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the card, and those are in the system under Jake Tierney.

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Those popped.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 1>He was arrested for burglary and Peoria in nineteen fifty six,

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Saint Paul in fifty seven, El Passo in fifty eight.

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>So this guy never did more than six months in jail,

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and then he's been clean for fifty years.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 3>So what's going on? And they're like, well, check out

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 3>the money.

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>The bills in all the cards are from nineteen fifty eight,

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty nine. Nothing is newer than

0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy. So he must have a stash of these

0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 1>bills because they wouldn't still be in circulation after all

0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>this time. So O'Halloran ran them through the currency watch list.

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that existed, and he got a hit.

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Elliott calls live before o'haleran is even done with his

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>findings and she's like, yeah, Tierney's just waking up. So

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>back at the home, Olivia is not babying Tierney. She's like,

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>you abuse Sheila, right, And he's like, I've done bad

0:35:36.360 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>shit in my life but I love my daughter like

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't go there. I didn't never lay a hand

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.080
<v Speaker 1>on her like that. Why do you keep writing? Forgive

0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>me Sheila? They're asking him and like, what kind of

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>guy molests his daughter and then sends her a card

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>to remind her about it every year. Tierney's like, you

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>need professional help. I hope your partner has more sense,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, well, you do kind of have molestation

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:57.240
<v Speaker 1>on the brain events and that's true. At the FBI,

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Sabler meets Agent Peters and asks her about the case number.

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, the agent that worked that case from

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one is retired, but if you have a lead,

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I'll take it. She tells him that the case involves

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 1>two young men who committed one of the longest string

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>of unsolved bank robberies. They were known as the Fedora Bandits.

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>They've not not very catchy. You know, they've been on

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the most wanted list for forty seven years.

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Pretty impressive.

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.480
<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Benson and Stabler stroll up to Tyranny

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.200
<v Speaker 1>sitting outside the home. He's kind of rambling about the

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>weather and storm's coming, and he's on morphine and he's

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.919
<v Speaker 1>like it's cold. Benson offers him a blanket and Stabler goes,

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>how about your fedora?

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 3>Tyranny's like impressed.

0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>He's like, wow, you guys are quick, and they're like,

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>are you ready to confess to twenty one armed robbery?

0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't he.

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Just confess he's dying, Like, what's with the chase? It's

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 2>so annoying, he's so dramatic.

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what the title of the episode is all about,

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 1>which we get into yeah.

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So he's like, you think that's all I got?

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.399
<v Speaker 1>He's He goes, I've been straight for a long time

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler points that, yes, it's eighteen seventy one, the

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 1>year Shila was born, and he goes, yeah, when we

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>had her, everything changed, Like the minute I held her,

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't protect her if I got locked up. So

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, okay, So Sheila knows that you're just

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like a massive bank robber and that's why she hates you,

0:37:15.000 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, Sheila doesn't know about that stuff.

0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, so, why won't she see you? And

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 1>he goes, the reason I've avoided capture for this long

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>is because I don't talk about me or my business

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to anyone certainly ever never a cop. And it's like, well,

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>you've been sort of leaking information to the cops. And

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>it is true though, Like I could never get away

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 1>with a crime for forty seven years. I'd be like, Okay,

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna tell you this one quick thing, but you

0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>cannot say anything, you know, like I would absolutely be

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>leaking it to a few people after some drinks. And

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.839
<v Speaker 1>so it is like a lot of self control, I think,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to keep something like this a secret for so so long.

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, I'm done wasting my time. I'm turning this

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.240
<v Speaker 1>over to the Feds. And he walks off, and Tierney

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>calls out and goes, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Then he tells Benson, I'm gonna lie down. The drugs

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>are making me tired, but you should stick around. You

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:04.040
<v Speaker 1>never know what I'm gonna feel like talking. So he's

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>jerking these people around, and I think the jerking is

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 1>what's driving you crazy, Right, She's just not realistic.

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I would have ripped a fucking morphine out of his hand,

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>slapped him across his face and said I don't have

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 2>time for this.

0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 1>We have victim, we have live victims. I know we

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>have a caseload, motherfucker. Well that's what happens next. Is

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.120
<v Speaker 1>like at the precinct, the priest comes in to like

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 1>follow up with Elliott and he's like, well, yeah, he

0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>gave up the bank jobs. And the priest is like,

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>is that all? And Elliott goes there's more and Stabler's like, father,

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.240
<v Speaker 1>what the hell is up? I've got twelve active cases.

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't have time to play twenty questions with this old,

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>morphined up dude. And the priest is like, his immortal

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>soul is in danger, and Stabler's like, uh, eternal damnation

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is not a police matter, which so true. You know,

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the priest says, it's not just his soul, you'd be

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>saving a whole family. Okay, so obviously you know Stabler

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>that appeals to Stabler with going on what's going on

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.319
<v Speaker 1>in his life. Back at Sheila's place, she admits she

0:38:57.360 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't know about the robberies, but she's not surprised. Her

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 1>dad is a pro at keeping secrets, and Stabler's like, well,

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 1>the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, bitch.

0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 3>You got plenty of your own secrets.

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 1>You won't tell us anything, and it's like that's kind

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>of true, Like she is about to open up to us.

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Molestation's not part of it. Why wouldn't you just say no,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that's not what happened. Why would you say to the cops,

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to talk about this. Like that implies

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that there's some kind of deep seated physical trauma, I

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 1>would say, or emotional trauma that you can't get into.

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, she's like, when my mom died, my dad

0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to stay at home and go to college

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.880
<v Speaker 1>in Queens. Stabler didn't go to college in Queens, but

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 1>she decided she want to go to Europe. She'd save money.

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.879
<v Speaker 1>She just needed a passport. But he wouldn't let her

0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>have her birth certificate, so she picked the lock on

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the box where he keeps all the family documents, and

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the birth certificate listed Judson Tierney as the father and

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 1>her mother as Suzanne Molinax. But she says, but my

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>mother's name was Leonore. So he told her that Lenore

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>couldn't have children and that he'd had an affair with

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Suzanne and gotten her pregnant. She says, my parents never

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>hugged me. They never said I love you, Sable goes, yeah,

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:06.319
<v Speaker 1>that was the old school Irish way. My folks were

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the same. And look at me. I'm an absentee father

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>with rage issues in the middle of a divorce. You know,

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>things work out. And Sheila goes, no, it wasn't the same.

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 1>My house was all locked doors and silence, and that's

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:20.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, that's fucked up. I get why

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>that's made her like traumatized. I don't get why it's

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>made her not be able to say I wasn't molested

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to the cops pretty quickly. But my father made my

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.879
<v Speaker 1>mother raise his lover's child every day. I was there

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to remind them. No wonder they didn't touch me. My

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>mother probably hated me. Stabler says, I'm sure that's not true,

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, well, I'll never know, will I. And

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 1>so now we're at the precinct and Huang is getting

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>involved and he is squabbling with Stabler.

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 3>He's like, dude, it's Sheila's choice if she.

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't want to see her father, and Stabler's like, I

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>think she'll regret it. And all you think, all you

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>shrinks talk about is closure, and Huang quotes Tolstoy and

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:58.440
<v Speaker 1>says families are complicated. Stabler's like, what about Tierney? How

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 1>do I get him to talk? And Hwang says, you don't,

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 1>He'll talk when he's ready. You can't rush Shahrazad. So

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Shahrazad is the narrator of the Middle Eastern collection of

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>tales called One thousand and one Nights. In the story,

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a king who gets cooked, so he marries a

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>virgin every day and beheads her the next morning before

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 1>she can betray him. Totally cool and normal, Shaharazad offers

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>to marry the king and basically tells these amazing stories

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to him that he keeps not killing her in the

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>morning because he wants to hear the stories. And she

0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>does this for one thousand and one Nights and by

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the end the king has fallen in love with her

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and spares her life. So this is often referenced when

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>somebody is telling a story to prolong their survival, you know, like, oh,

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you one more thing before you pull

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 1>the trigger, you know. So Tierney is trying to stave

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>off death in the same way so that he can

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.600
<v Speaker 1>reconcile with Sheila, but she won't come, so he needs

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Olivia to take her place. This is Huang's psychological assessment

0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of what's happening here. Stabler's like, she has come, she's there,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 1>she hasn't left. She's been watching him sleep all night,

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and like, meanwhile, the police department is paying Olivia amounts

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.000
<v Speaker 1>of overtime. She's just living at this hospice home with

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>this one man who may or may not have another

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 1>crime to confess. Huang says, Olivia's playing the fantasy of

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>a daughter that's not the real thing.

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 3>So they're like, oh, so does she have to get

0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 3>mad at him?

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And Huang goes, well, if she does, he'll do anything

0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to get her back. So cut to Live shaking Tyrney

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>awake and immediately being like, who's suzannemullenax? And he goes,

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>she died a long time ago, and Benson goes, well,

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.800
<v Speaker 1>she was Sheila's birth mother, and he says, my wife

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Leonor was her mother. I told Sheila blood doesn't matter,

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 1>only love, and she goes love making your wife raise

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 1>another woman's kid. He goes, I didn't make her. She

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.320
<v Speaker 1>wanted a kid and couldn't have one. We couldn't adopt

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>because I was an convicted felon. Like Live does go

0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:44.160
<v Speaker 1>why didn't you adopt? And it's like, he goes, I

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:46.399
<v Speaker 1>was a convicted felon, like Olivia, you would know that.

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>So Benson's like, if you're such a good dad, why

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 1>won't Sheila take your calls? And he goes, I was

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>just trying to protect her lives like you were protecting yourself.

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And he's like in the bathroom, and then Benson yells, okay, dude,

0:42:58.600 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>I've had enough of this.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Sheila doesn't want to hear your stories, and neither do I.

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm out of here.

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>He opens the bathroom door with a fedora on and

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>goes he's ready to go, and he goes, you got

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a car now. They're in a cemetery in Plattsburgh, New York, which,

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:13.600
<v Speaker 1>in case you think is just up the Hudson, it

0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>is five hours north of New York City. It's on

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.879
<v Speaker 1>Lake Champlain, across from Vermont, Okay. So they're at his wife,

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Lenore's grave. There are roses there that lake. Yeah, they

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 1>really love that.

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I love Lake Champlain. I think it's the most beautiful lake.

0:43:28.640 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And there are a little monster in there who lives

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Champ Champ. Yeah, I lost a hat as a kid.

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:39.160
<v Speaker 1>They go Champ as your hat now, so there.

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 3>Are roses at the grave.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 1>He still has a florists put roses at Lenore's grave.

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Like every he seems like a very loving husband. It

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 1>is interesting to me that the home was filled with

0:43:50.920 --> 0:43:53.439
<v Speaker 1>such like animosity even when we get to the bottom.

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 3>Of all of this.

0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>So he tells Live you better start digging, and she

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>thinks he means like, dig up your wife's grave. And

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>he goes no, under the flowers, and under there she

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>finds a set of keys.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 3>One do these go to? Lol?

0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Why would he tell you that he's the king of

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>jigsaw puzzles? Like he is literally just jigsawing you right now.

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 1>So cut to Stabler at Tierney's house in Rego Park,

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>which is a section of Queens and he's trying the

0:44:17.120 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>key in every lock, cabinets, doors, nothing is working. Then

0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 1>outside he's walking and he steps on something metal and

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like a cellar door, kind of bomb shelter that's

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>like in the ground, and boom, the key to that fits.

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Stabler goes down into the cellar. He sees a couple

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>of trunks. The keys fit the trunks as well. He

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>opens one up. It's filled with cash. He calls Live,

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, there's got to be a million dollars here.

0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of giddy. I'm like, take a little bit.

0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>You got to send all these kids to college. Wouldn't

0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the currency in the birthday cards have been enough to

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.799
<v Speaker 1>warrant a search of his home, Like the cops could

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>have snipped off these little locks no problem without the

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>ten hour round trip journey to upstate New York for Live.

0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, like they went all the way up there

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to get these keys. It's like, here's a bolt cutter.

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>They're open anyway. He's on the phone with Live as

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 1>he opens the other trunk and he's like, yeah, I

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:05.000
<v Speaker 1>found Tyranny stash. And then when he lifts the lidd

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>he goes along with the other half of the fedora bandits,

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>and inside the trunk we see a mummified skeleton with

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a little fedora resting right on the chest.

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.240
<v Speaker 3>So done done.

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>So Now we're at Melinda's house where she's showing Stabler

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 1>how this guy was shot at close range, like right

0:45:21.040 --> 0:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>through the heart. She says the body could have been

0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>down there for months or years. Mummification can occur in

0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 1>a short period of time if it's kept in a

0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>steady low temperature without sunlight to degrade it. So Stabler

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 1>is suddenly a fashion blogger and he clocks the wide

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>collar on the short tie and he's like, well, this

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:40.720
<v Speaker 1>is a classic seventies look. Melinda goes brings back memories,

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler goes of what you and diapers, and Melinda goes,

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:47.240
<v Speaker 1>bless your heart. In reality, they are too. In reality,

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>she's two years older than him. I don't know why

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>they're playing a little cute age game. Maybe he's flirting

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.760
<v Speaker 1>and kind of seeing what his options are post Kathy.

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Melinda also found some coins in the pocket of this

0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:00.960
<v Speaker 1>guy's clothes, and no coins were after nineteen seventy one,

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>so that's probably as close to time of death as

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>they're going to get.

0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 3>Back at the.

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Hospice place, Tierney's eating when Olivia strolls up and accuses

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:10.960
<v Speaker 1>him of killing his partner, which he cops to extremely quickly,

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and he's very unremorseful. He's like, yeah, I did that.

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 1>His only regret is letting him rotten the trunk in

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.760
<v Speaker 1>his backyard. He says, it's stunk up the place something fierce.

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:20.439
<v Speaker 1>I ha to tell neighbors it was a dead cat.

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>In a storm drain, which is crazy because when he

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.839
<v Speaker 1>plays John Wayne Gacy, I think he also tells people

0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:27.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a dead animal when he's hiding kids under his

0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:31.319
<v Speaker 1>porch of his house. Anyway, just only a connection for me.

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:33.320
<v Speaker 1>He was like, well, what was I supposed to do?

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 1>And Olivia is like, you could have turned yourself in,

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Like what about Jack's family? They probably wanted to know

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 1>that he was dead. Tierney goes, he had no kids

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.399
<v Speaker 1>and his wife was better off without him. Benson helps

0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:44.919
<v Speaker 1>him put his oxygen tubes fixed up, and then she goes,

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:46.919
<v Speaker 1>don't you think his wife would want to know he's dead?

0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I love this moment. We cut to the home of

0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Rita Calino on Long Island. She goes to all these

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>women in her bridge game girls, I'm a widow. She

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>has this sassy friend who goes, congrats, are we dealing

0:46:58.800 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>you in or what?

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 3>These do not give a shit?

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 1>This guy's been missing for thirty years, Like they don't

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:09.839
<v Speaker 1>you know? So Rita tells Stabler, I haven't thought about

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Jack in the years, and she gives Stabler a picture

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of him and says, I'm not They asked him, like

0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:15.919
<v Speaker 1>do you know how he made his money. She goes,

0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know, but I'm sure it wasn't what

0:47:17.440 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 1>he put on his taxes. When I'd get curious, he'd

0:47:19.280 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>buy me a piece of jewelry. I just assumed he'd

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.359
<v Speaker 1>run off with one of his mistresses, so you knew

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>he was cheating. Stabler asks, and she goes, it was

0:47:26.960 --> 0:47:29.960
<v Speaker 1>a different time. Nice Catholic girls didn't get a divorce,

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>although I considered it for the sake of the baby.

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's like, I thought you guys didn't have any kids,

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, no, the baby wasn't mine. Jack knocked

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 1>up some girl and she wanted him to divorce me.

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 1>But Jack would never even ask me for a divorce.

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>She goes, He had his affairs, but he always came

0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.640
<v Speaker 1>home to mama, So it's weird that she would think

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>that if he always came home to Mama, that one

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>time he'd be like, well, no, this mistress actually is

0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:52.959
<v Speaker 1>I am going to leave a not say a word.

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>That is weird that you wouldn't have called anyone said anything.

0:47:57.160 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>So she was like, the only reason I even knew

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 1>about the baby is because this little tramp came to

0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 1>my door and was begging me to let go of

0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:07.840
<v Speaker 1>my husband and there what was her name? And she

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.879
<v Speaker 1>goes rhymes with hunt love a good see you next

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Tuesday joke on the old s V and Rita goes,

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 1>but her real name was Suzanne Mullinax. Okay, so we're

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>getting closer to what's going on here. In the next scene,

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Benson confronts Tierney about it and he that, oh, like,

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:24.839
<v Speaker 1>so you and Jack were both sleeping with Suzanne. So

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>who's Sheila's dad? And Tierney goes, Jack was, but he

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 1>but I forged my name on the birth certificate. So

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you get the feeling that he did not sleep with

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Susanne at all. I don't think he was having an

0:48:36.080 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 1>affair with Susane at all.

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>So then Tierney asked Benson to pass him a smoke

0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, are you joking? And he's like, what

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>is it going to make me sick? So basically she's like, so,

0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>how did you end up with Sheila? Tierney goes, Sheila

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>was one month old. Jack calls me up and says

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.920
<v Speaker 1>he ran out of gas, bring and bring a can

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>over to Suzanne's house. When he gets there, Suzanne is dead.

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Jack killed her because she threatened to him out on

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the bank robberies if he didn't leave Rita.

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.879
<v Speaker 3>He thought that the problem was solved. I'll just get

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 3>rid of her body.

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>So he starts splashing gas around the house and Tierney's like,

0:49:08.239 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 1>what about the baby, And Jack says, to hell with her,

0:49:11.440 --> 0:49:13.800
<v Speaker 1>let her burn, and he starts moving towards the crib

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 1>with the gas can in his hand. So Tierney shot

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>him right through the heart. So that confirms, like the

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>forensics are all backed up by that story as well.

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:25.520
<v Speaker 1>So he took the baby, told his wife about the

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 1>whole Jack and Suzanne thing, told her about the bank jobs,

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that money, and everything came clean about it. She cried

0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>for an hour and then made him promise that it

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.920
<v Speaker 1>was all in his past. And then he locked up

0:49:35.000 --> 0:49:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Jack and the money in the bomb shelter and he

0:49:36.640 --> 0:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>never looked back. And Benson's like, why didn't you tell

0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Sheila she was adopted? And He's like, tell her that

0:49:43.200 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 1>her mother was a blackmailing tramp and her father was

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:47.240
<v Speaker 1>a murderous thief who I killed.

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 3>And Benson's like.

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, sure, I get why you kind of kept

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:51.760
<v Speaker 2>that a secret.

0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:54.040
<v Speaker 1>You didn't want her to hate herself. He says everything

0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:55.800
<v Speaker 1>he did was for Sheila, and he'd do it again.

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 1>There's been too many secrets, too many lies. I killed

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a man, I stole his kid. I got to answer

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:04.239
<v Speaker 1>for that, So arrest me. He goes, please, come on,

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>why do you leave your your handcuffs at home? He's

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 1>like begging them to arrest him. So then you think

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 1>for a second that lives gonna kind of.

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Let it slide.

0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 1>But then you remember this is Olivia Benson and she

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:15.880
<v Speaker 1>doesn't let anything slide. And she stands up and she

0:50:15.960 --> 0:50:18.279
<v Speaker 1>arrests Tyranny for the murder of Jack Callino and the

0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>kidnapping of Shila Dumont. Like, does this explain to you though?

0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Also why they were not nice to Shila? Like, I

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 1>know she's not their biological child, but it seems like

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 1>he loved her a lot. Why would they Why was

0:50:34.400 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>everything closed doors and secrets and no no, never saying

0:50:38.080 --> 0:50:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I love you and never.

0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Talking to her or touching her.

0:50:41.120 --> 0:50:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was also career criminals, so it's like, I'm

0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>sure she kind of hate it. I don't know, I

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:50.440
<v Speaker 2>don't like this episode. Yeah, yeah, that's true, there's no reason.

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.320
<v Speaker 1>So at the precinct, finn Is like, wow, in forty

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>eight hours, you guys solve.

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Twenty one robberies, a murder, and a kidnapping.

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>You're trying to make us look bad, and Stabler goes

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:02.839
<v Speaker 1>for once, Catholic guilt is a good thing, and then

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>Munch goes, I thought we Jews had a corner on

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:05.320
<v Speaker 1>that market.

0:51:05.520 --> 0:51:07.239
<v Speaker 3>I was like, the difference between.

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Catholic guilt and Jewish guilt isn't like Jewish guilt like

0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't call your mom like this and that, and

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Catholic guilt is like if you do anything wrong, you're

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:13.480
<v Speaker 1>going to hell.

0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Like there's like the guilt seems different, right, Well, we

0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:21.720
<v Speaker 2>also talk about it. Yeah, they're like, no, there's this shame.

0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Ours is guilt.

0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, like Jewish guilt, like you don't go to

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.839
<v Speaker 1>temple enough, you don't call me, you don't like you know,

0:51:28.960 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 1>like it's like the guilt that your parents put on you.

0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's like guilt tripping versus actually feeling guilt because

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the devil is gonna take your soul or whatever. Anyway,

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Stabler's there to get some paperwork. Olivia is over with Tierney.

0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to go to Central Booking, but they wouldn't

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>let him because he's literally a death store and uh,

0:51:45.480 --> 0:51:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Finn finds a little uh oh. The Molinac's case, it

0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>turns out, was closed in nineteen seventy two and her

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:56.040
<v Speaker 1>ex husband, Mike Mollenax was convicted of murder two and

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:59.640
<v Speaker 1>arson in the first. So now we're meeting this guy

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Mike X in jail. I recognize this guy. The actor

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.720
<v Speaker 1>is named John Doman. He's a big guy from the wire.

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>He's also been on so much Law and Order. Four

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>episode of Organized Crime, five episodes of Original Recipe, one

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of Trial by Jury, one of Criminal Intent, and five

0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:17.800
<v Speaker 1>of SVU including limitations which we covered. And he plays

0:52:17.800 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that retired cop who drinks milk that we hate. Remember,

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>we're like, look at this fucking loser. He like didn't

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>listen to a rape victim's complaint he thought she was lying,

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.839
<v Speaker 1>And then he's like sitting there drinking a glass of milk,

0:52:27.840 --> 0:52:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and we're like, look at this asshole drinking milk. Anyway,

0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 1>that was him, this actor, he's got tons and tons

0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of credits. He works, He's in tons of movies and stuff,

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>like you've seen him. Anyway, he's in jail telling his

0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>story He's like, I was just sitting on a barstool

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>one night and the cops came in and arrested me

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.080
<v Speaker 1>for killing Suzanne and the baby, which, by the way,

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:46.319
<v Speaker 1>howd they arrested for killing the baby?

0:52:46.360 --> 0:52:47.720
<v Speaker 3>They never found a body of a baby.

0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.320
<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't do it, and no one believed

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.799
<v Speaker 1>him because he was a mean drunk back then, like

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:55.200
<v Speaker 1>when Suzanne threw him out, he'd harass her, show up,

0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>he threatened to burn her house down, and when he

0:52:57.440 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 1>heard she died in a fire, he knew he'd be

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>a suspect. So we hit out with one of his girlfriends.

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Then they had a fight, he beat her up. She

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>turned him in the next day. Stabler's like, well, they

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>didn't really have much of a strong case for you,

0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:10.759
<v Speaker 1>just motive. And he's like, I was a dirtbag, boozehound

0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 1>with a habit of beating up women. It took the

0:53:12.760 --> 0:53:15.560
<v Speaker 1>jury twenty minutes to convict and he's like, am I

0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.439
<v Speaker 1>really going to get out of here? So we cut

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.640
<v Speaker 1>to Novak and she's like, I'll get him out. Wrongful

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.320
<v Speaker 1>convictions make the whole system look bad. Tierney won't be

0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>able to testify though, Like he's in bad shape. They

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 1>keep saying that, but he's also been taking road trips

0:53:27.400 --> 0:53:29.400
<v Speaker 1>with Livia. He's up and about, he's dining in the

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:32.680
<v Speaker 1>cafeteria like. He seems okay besides the coughing and the

0:53:32.680 --> 0:53:35.520
<v Speaker 1>fact that he's still ripping butts. Casey just needs an

0:53:35.560 --> 0:53:38.440
<v Speaker 1>affidavit from his doctor or a sworn's statement, like a

0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>dying declaration. Stabler's like, I don't think Tierney knew Molinix

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.040
<v Speaker 1>went down for this, So we cut to Tierney being like, oh,

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>hell no, I didn't know that. If I knew that,

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I would have said something. Stabler's like, I checked the

0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 1>papers didn't cover his arrest or his trial. I guess

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.279
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't worth it. Like a man killing his ex

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:57.719
<v Speaker 1>wife and baby and setting the house on fire is

0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.360
<v Speaker 1>not newspaper worthy enough in nineteen seventy one.

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 3>So they're swearing Tyranny.

0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 1>In and he keeps going, come on, come on, let's

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:07.600
<v Speaker 1>do it, like and Novak is like, subtle down, bro,

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:09.480
<v Speaker 1>like we have to do this by the book. She

0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 1>goes to swear him in. He can't stop coughing. He

0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 1>keeps pushing the morphine button. He starts to give a statement,

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 1>but then he gets very woozy and suddenly the morphine

0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.680
<v Speaker 1>has him totally zonked and he's like passed out. In case,

0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>he's like, you guys didn't mention he's on pain medication.

0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, girl, he's in hospice. I think everyone

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:28.879
<v Speaker 1>is on pain medication. Like you should have asked if

0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that was like a thing that the drug use is

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna make anything he says inadmissible, And without his statement,

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:35.880
<v Speaker 1>they can't get Mike Mollenax out of prison. So this

0:54:35.960 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 1>is one of those moral conundrums that they have on

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>this show. So now they're talking to Tyranny's doctor who's like,

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 1>he's in a lot of pain. I increased his morphine

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.359
<v Speaker 1>and he's sleeping, and she's like, I kind of hope

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 1>he never wakes up. The only thing that will bring

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 1>him out of the sleep of this morphine sleep is narcan,

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and I can't give that to him without his consent,

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 1>which he can't give because of the morphine morphine. She's like,

0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it's a catch twenty two, but this is

0:54:57.960 --> 0:54:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the treatment plan that he asked for, and I can't

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.160
<v Speaker 1>go against his wishes. His next of kin, his family

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.839
<v Speaker 1>could request narcan. So if Sheila asked for it, they

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.319
<v Speaker 1>could do it. So now Stable's at Sheila's house telling

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 1>her the whole damn saga. So she's like, Okay, I'll

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 1>sign the paper so an innocent man doesn't have to

0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 1>pay for his crimes. She'll but I'll do it as

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:17.880
<v Speaker 1>long as you tell her my dad that I didn't

0:55:17.920 --> 0:55:18.560
<v Speaker 1>do it for him.

0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.160
<v Speaker 3>She's still very pissed at him. Now they're at the home.

0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>The doctor is gonna give the narcan and he'll wake

0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:26.799
<v Speaker 1>up immediately. So now Sheila is there and she has

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to decide if she wants to talk to him. Sable's

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to convince her that even though like, yes, your

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:32.680
<v Speaker 1>dad's screwed up, but he was just doing it to

0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>protect you.

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 3>He says, I've done.

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.280
<v Speaker 1>The same with my own kids, this kind of seems

0:55:36.280 --> 0:55:38.640
<v Speaker 1>like it's resonating with her. And then she starts walking

0:55:38.640 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>into the room where she sees him sleeping, and she

0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:42.799
<v Speaker 1>kind of starts to freak out, and he wakes up

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 1>as she's like kind of running away, and he's like, Sheila,

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that's my girl, Sheila, And then Tierney's like, where's that da?

0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>She never finished taking my statement and she better make

0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>it quick, Like he keeps threatening like he could just

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:56.279
<v Speaker 1>pull the trigger and die whenever he wants. Stabler is

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.400
<v Speaker 1>now at sing sing to spring Mullenax. When there's another

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>fucking rent this episode, the assistant warden walks up and goes,

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>hate to break it to you, after all this work

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you've done. But in nineteen eighty five, there was a

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:11.319
<v Speaker 1>gang fight between the Aryan Brotherhood and the Crips. An

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 1>officer got shanked, a couple inmates got murdered, and Molanax

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:16.799
<v Speaker 1>is the one that committed one of the murders, so

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.399
<v Speaker 1>they're going to file on him for that. So even

0:56:19.400 --> 0:56:21.560
<v Speaker 1>though you're getting him out for the murder of Suzanne

0:56:21.560 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Molnax and the baby, he's going to be tried for

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 1>this murder of like a prison fight that he got into.

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.360
<v Speaker 1>And Molinax is like pissed and he's like begging Stabler

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>to do something. And then meanwhile Tierney's waking up coughing

0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.239
<v Speaker 1>in his room, asking is Molanax out? Yet it's like

0:56:35.480 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he's waiting for Molanax to be freed so he can die.

0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So now Mullenax tells Stabler what happened the day of

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:43.440
<v Speaker 1>the prison fight and he goes, I was coming back

0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:46.640
<v Speaker 1>from Emil when those Aryan freaks jumped a black guy.

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.280
<v Speaker 1>He goes, then all these friends piled on all hell's

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>hell breaks loose. He was just walking by and then

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy comes at him with a six inch shive.

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:56.799
<v Speaker 1>They wrestled to the ground. The guy drops the ship.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>He starts choking me out. So I grabbed the ship

0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and I angle him in self defense. Stabler's like, all right,

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll see if I can help you, if I can

0:57:05.239 --> 0:57:07.879
<v Speaker 1>check your story out. Now he's talking in Novac and

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.279
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I managed to track down six witnesses in

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.759
<v Speaker 1>five minutes who all back Molnax's story. She doesn't have

0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>any jurisdiction over the crimes committed at Sing Sing though.

0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:19.200
<v Speaker 1>He's like, well, talk to the DA up state. She's like,

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I already did. That guy's on the warden side he

0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>wants to prosecute. So Stabler's like, this guy served thirty

0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>four years for a murder he didn't commit, and now

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.200
<v Speaker 1>he's going to do more time for a murder he

0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:30.240
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have committed if he wasn't locked up in the

0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:32.400
<v Speaker 1>first place. This is kind of the premise of making

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>a murderer. You know, this guy was in jail for

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 1>all these years for a rape he did not commit,

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:40.919
<v Speaker 1>and then when he got out, he committed a murder.

0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:42.720
<v Speaker 1>Would he have committed that murder if he hadn't done

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.160
<v Speaker 1>all that jail time, if this system wasn't fucked up

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:45.360
<v Speaker 1>like that?

0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Casey agrees that it's fucked up, but

0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:48.480
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing she can do.

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>And he goes do something Casey, So I guess now

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:52.160
<v Speaker 1>she can do something.

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:52.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Tierney is fighting death and won't give up, and

0:57:56.480 --> 0:57:58.520
<v Speaker 1>liv is like, we're going to get him out. Just rests,

0:57:58.520 --> 0:58:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, I got to see this through.

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, sweetie, the judicial system does not move fast enough.

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>You need to just get back on the morphine. You know.

0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Cut to Queen Judith Light Elizabeth Donnelly, who is incredulous

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that Casey just asked her to get the governor to

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.440
<v Speaker 1>pardon this guy. Casey's like, I'll ask the governor. I

0:58:14.480 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 1>just need you to get him on the phone. You

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 1>guys are law school pals. And Donnelly's like, I would

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.080
<v Speaker 1>tell him not to get involved if I got him

0:58:21.120 --> 0:58:23.360
<v Speaker 1>on the phone. The DA upstate has the right to

0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>try Mollenacs for murder. You can't circumvent the authority of

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.400
<v Speaker 1>the DA up there. But she's like, I do have

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>an alternate plan. The governor can pardon him on the

0:58:31.920 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Molanax murder. If he pleads guilty to the prison murder

0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and gets sentenced to time served, then he's free to

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.600
<v Speaker 1>go and everyone gets what they want. She'll get Casey

0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 1>and to see the governor, but the rest is up

0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to her. So now Novak and Stabler at the Governor's office.

0:58:45.160 --> 0:58:47.880
<v Speaker 1>He's stressing case Tyranny's dying, and she's like, just tell

0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:49.120
<v Speaker 1>him Mollenax is out of jail.

0:58:49.160 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 3>He'll never know.

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.160
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like, but I will honesty integrity till the

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 1>very end. Then, but he can lie, but it'll lie

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to a suspect, you know. But then an assistant comes

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 1>in and says the govern has agreed to the request.

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Stabler calls Live to tell her. She goes to tell Tyrney.

0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 1>He's relieved, but asks her to stick around because it's

0:59:06.560 --> 0:59:08.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to be too much longer. She says, I'm

0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 1>not going anywhere again. The overtime that lives, She's been

0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 1>there forty eight hours, seventy two hours gone on a

0:59:13.160 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 1>full road trip to Vermont.

0:59:14.360 --> 0:59:15.080
<v Speaker 3>Like it's crazy.

0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Stabler swoops in with Sheila right at that moment she

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>sits with her dad. He's asleep, he's looking tyry and emotional.

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.240
<v Speaker 1>He looks peaceful, and then she starts sobbing. So I

0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:29.000
<v Speaker 1>think we're meant to believe that his breathing has stopped

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:33.480
<v Speaker 1>or he's gone, and that's dick wolf baby. So in

0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>the end, he waited for her to die, like he

0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:40.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of you're to believe he felt that she was

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 1>there and then he let himself pass on. So it

0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:50.120
<v Speaker 1>is a sad story because it's like, ultimately, this guy

0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:52.160
<v Speaker 1>saved your life.

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:53.560
<v Speaker 3>But also.

0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he had given you to a firehouse,

0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>would you have been adopted to, like a more loving

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>home than you were in, Like maybe she doesn't, maybe

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't fully agree with how the plan went.

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 3>After the life, she would have been burned to a

1:00:07.240 --> 1:00:08.560
<v Speaker 3>crisp if.

1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:10.160
<v Speaker 1>He didn't know if he saved her life and then

1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:12.000
<v Speaker 1>if he took her like gave her up for adoption

1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>or like you know, just left her on a doorstep

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:15.400
<v Speaker 1>for that or.

1:00:17.320 --> 1:00:20.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm projecting I hate this look we got to move on.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, you did great. I was at the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of my seat. I was very as much into it

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<v Speaker 2>as I ever would be.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. He just needed me to tell you the story.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anything about these crimes, so I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>for you to tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's two crimes we have, you know, sad murder

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<v Speaker 2>vibes and then kind of more uplifting bank robber vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, we'll do that. The first one is the

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<v Speaker 2>case of Timothy Evans. Timothy was born in nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four in Merther, which is like Welsh English area, you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So the article I found said that he was a

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<v Speaker 2>poorly child.

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<v Speaker 3>That must just mean poor, right, what's poorly so weird? Yeah? Poor?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess poorly could also mean like you're poor, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're sort of sickly, you look dirty. I don't know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was paints a bigger picture.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, you're right on the money.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a deformed foot and he barely went to school.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't learn how to read or write really, but

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<v Speaker 2>his family did end up moving to London in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five, and he eventually found work as a painter

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<v Speaker 2>and then as a van driver. He was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a Welshman living in London and more specifically in the

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<v Speaker 2>notting Hill area, which I probably only am writing because

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's also like a fancy area, isn't it it

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<v Speaker 3>is now? Who knows what it used to be?

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, you know, like the nineties Hell's Kitchen was

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<v Speaker 2>I think kind of murderous for a while. But I

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<v Speaker 2>wonder if I would even know what notting Hill was

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<v Speaker 2>without the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably not. Uh, the first time I heard of it

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<v Speaker 3>was the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he met his wife Beryl in nineteen forty seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Who else is name? Beryl? It's the hurricane that's happening

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<v Speaker 3>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Stop, isn't the hurricane? I don't know in Texas? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Beryl Houston, it says, damn.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Oh my god, that's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's this guy's wife's name. And they got

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<v Speaker 2>they met in nineteen forty seven. They got married, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they had a kid named Geraldine okay, which obviously

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<v Speaker 2>reminds me of some like it up so I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they lived now in an infamous home, ten Rillington Place,

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<v Speaker 2>and basically, this man, Timothy, was hung for the crime

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<v Speaker 2>of killing his wife Beryl in fourteenth month old child Geraldine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it happened, been very fast. The trial only lasted

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<v Speaker 2>three days, and the whole crux of the trial relied

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<v Speaker 2>on the testimony of another person who lived in the building.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy, John Christy was his name, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was a postal service clerk and also a former police

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<v Speaker 2>special constable, so you know, a cab and he claimed

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<v Speaker 2>that he heard the couple fighting all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, Christy ended up being found out years

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<v Speaker 2>later as a serial killer and necrophiliac.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the time it was all found out, Timothy

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<v Speaker 2>had already been sentenced to death.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And the jury only deliberated for forty minutes. March ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty he was sentenced to death at twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years old. This is a very young man, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was hung in Pentonville Prison and buried in its cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>The death got very little attention because, like obviously, people him,

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<v Speaker 2>he killed his wife and kid, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had okay thoughts about the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't a contrastial thought.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time, and this case played a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>actually in Britain finally suspending and then abolishing in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine the death penalty. But then for Timothy, he

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<v Speaker 2>was not fully exonerated until two thousand and four, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get why the paperwork took to that long,

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<v Speaker 2>but whatever. So nobody knows what ended up truly happening,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is thought that in nineteen forty nine, Beryl

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<v Speaker 2>became pregnant again but decided to terminate the pregnancy, which

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<v Speaker 2>was illegal at the time. So Christie's like, hey, I

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<v Speaker 2>have medical experience and said, you know, he could perform

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<v Speaker 2>the abortion.

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<v Speaker 3>But when Evans was.

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<v Speaker 1>She confiding in her cop neighbor that she was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, hey, I do abortions.

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<v Speaker 3>That's weird. Yeah, I mean they were in the same building.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's illegal, why would you confess

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<v Speaker 1>to a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird anyway, go on former cop. Okay postal service clerk.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you're right, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but I have no ide yah yeah yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>this guy also didn't go to high school. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>so basically like he was like, you know, I could

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<v Speaker 2>do the abortion. But when Evans was out, he strangled

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<v Speaker 2>both Beryl and Geraldine and then bury them in the property,

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<v Speaker 2>like near the property in the Washington House. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>Evans returned, Christie's like, listen, your wife died during the procedure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get rid of the body. I'll take care of Geraldine,

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<v Speaker 2>but you need to skip town. Like abortion's illegal, the

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<v Speaker 2>cops are going to come after you. You've got to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. And yeah, and so this is where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not going to school really comes in. And

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<v Speaker 2>so they figured out that Timothy had an IQ of

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<v Speaker 2>a twelve year old, and so he went back to

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<v Speaker 2>Mertha to stay with his family, and then he actually

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<v Speaker 2>walks into the precinct and confesses to the crime. So

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<v Speaker 2>then the London police were notified. And Evans said he

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<v Speaker 2>put her down the drain, That's what he kept saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But they didn't find any evidence in that way. But

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<v Speaker 2>then they ended up finding these bodies wrapped in tablecloths.

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<v Speaker 3>So the officers did.

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<v Speaker 2>Really bad police work like usual, and the fence was

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<v Speaker 2>being held up by a full femur bone.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Oh there was like a femur bone.

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<v Speaker 2>In the fence, and the cops just kind of skipped that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Evans eventually like told the truth once like everything started,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, happening, and he was like, listen, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just covering for Christy. He did an abortion on my wife,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was that's what I did. But this honestly

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<v Speaker 2>makes no sense. And of course they found him guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he confess he left town like it is really tough. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So then the truth wasn't covered. Three years later, Christy

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<v Speaker 2>ended up moving out of the apartment and the new

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<v Speaker 2>tenants found the bodies of three women that were hidden

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<v Speaker 2>and papered over recess in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was Kathleen Maloney, Rita Nelson, and Hectorina McLennon.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they uncovered more bodies. They found the body

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<v Speaker 2>of his wife Ethel and she was buried under the

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<v Speaker 2>floorboards of the front room. And then they found a

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<v Speaker 2>nurse named Ruth First and also a former colleague of

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<v Speaker 2>his name Muriel Eddie, and they were in very shallow

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<v Speaker 2>graves in the yard and they were all strangled and

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<v Speaker 2>tied up just the same way as Geraldine and Beryl

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<v Speaker 2>and that's another thing, like you would probably grab your child.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, yeah, bury that, but where's my kid? Or

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<v Speaker 2>let me say by to my kid or like you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, Like yeah. So he was finally

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<v Speaker 2>tracked down and arrested in West London in March nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty three, and during the questioning he did confess to

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<v Speaker 2>killing Baryl Evans, though he never admitted to killing Geraldine,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he was found guilty of murdering his wife

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<v Speaker 2>and was also hung in July nineteen fifty three by

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<v Speaker 2>Albert Pierpoint, who was also the same man who executed

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<v Speaker 2>Evans Jesus in nineteen sixty eight. The Home Secretary at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, Roy Jenkins, recommended a royal pardon, which was

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<v Speaker 2>accepted and evans remains were exhumed from the prison cemetery

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<v Speaker 2>and buried in Saint Patrick's Cemetery in leyton Stone, East London.

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<v Speaker 3>So kind of a so fucking sad.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you remember a few weeks ago in the intro,

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that I was doing research at the back

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<v Speaker 2>of a bar at a show and it made me sad.

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<v Speaker 3>This was the case. After you hear about.

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<v Speaker 1>Little Geraldine, You're like, Hi, how's everybody doing to night,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys having fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So it's really sad and kind of complicated. And

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<v Speaker 2>this man, like this Christie guy, was a fucking lunatic psychopath.

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<v Speaker 4>Ugh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I want to say, like, oh, if abortion

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<v Speaker 1>had been legal, maybe this wouldn't have happened. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure this psycle would have gone after them in some way.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably would have killed the whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like he only killed women, okay, so as

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<v Speaker 2>they do, okay. The next case is of Edwin Alonzo Boyd,

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<v Speaker 2>and this dude was Canada's most notorious bank robber in

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<v Speaker 2>the early nineteen forties and fifties. And whenever I think

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<v Speaker 2>about bank robbers, I always think of John Mulaney's joke

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<v Speaker 2>where he goes, yeah, you can like it within with bullets,

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<v Speaker 2>like shoot your name into something you robbed, but if

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<v Speaker 2>there's no evidence, you could just get away. And he

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<v Speaker 2>does impressions of like nineteen twenties gangsters. Is I love

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway? So this guy was a vagabond and a

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<v Speaker 2>career criminal and he had his own gang called the

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<v Speaker 2>Boyd Gang. Everything I read was like, he's so famous,

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<v Speaker 2>he's so notorious, he's so famous, but all the articles

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<v Speaker 2>I kept finding were just about the movie made about him,

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<v Speaker 2>like not about him at all. But his daughter, Carolyn

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<v Speaker 2>Boyd helped make this movie where Scott Speedman acted in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's called Citizen Gangster. She was seven years old

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<v Speaker 2>when her dad started robbing bakes and he is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of iconic, a folk hero, a media sensation, and she

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<v Speaker 2>kind of brought the more. You know, it was also splashy,

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<v Speaker 2>all the news of all these wild bank robberies, but

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<v Speaker 2>she brought like the heart and the drama, like within

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<v Speaker 2>the Home, you know, kind of paget vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know it's a movie. So have you heard

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<v Speaker 3>of it?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy he was born April second, nineteen fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>in Toronto, but he hated school and he loved a

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<v Speaker 2>swindle and hustle money from a very young age, like

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<v Speaker 2>he found his calling. He didn't make it to high school.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't like following rules, even though he was the

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<v Speaker 2>son of a cop. Hello and his father went away

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<v Speaker 2>to during World War One fight and like so then

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<v Speaker 2>Edwin was born, his dad left World War One, and

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<v Speaker 2>then when the dad came back, he was like a

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<v Speaker 2>different dude. He was just the stern religious psycho and

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<v Speaker 2>Edwin just loved breaking rules and but like he also

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<v Speaker 2>loved attention, and being a CoP's son doing all this

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<v Speaker 2>was all the attention he was craving. And so once

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<v Speaker 2>his mother died when he was fifteen, he dropped out

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<v Speaker 2>of school and pieced out. So by nineteen thirty he

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<v Speaker 2>was a drifter out west, riding the rails, surviving the

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<v Speaker 2>Depression by conning women. And I know plenty of men

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and it's not the depression. And yeah, odd jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>petty theft, and you know, just lying to women and

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<v Speaker 2>not leaving their house. So at twenty two he robbed

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<v Speaker 2>a gas station and then spent two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>years in prison for that. And then he did join

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<v Speaker 2>the Royal Canadian Regiment during World War Two and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where he met his wife while he was out and about.

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<v Speaker 2>So this happened a lot, I guess in quotes, hoboes

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<v Speaker 2>became heroes.

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<v Speaker 1>Jaron's obsessed with this movie called a Hoboes Christmas that

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<v Speaker 1>we caught on TV one time when he was at

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<v Speaker 1>my house, and it was truly wild stick and bindle.

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<v Speaker 1>This basically this guy's whole story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so all these hoboes went away and came back

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<v Speaker 2>war heroes with like you know, got some wives, so.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all good news.

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<v Speaker 2>And this daughter, Carolyn says that he like, he loved

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<v Speaker 2>the kids, he loved you know, her mom, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That he was a good family man.

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<v Speaker 2>But he married a woman named Doreen Thompson and they

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<v Speaker 2>had three kids with her, two twins and then one

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<v Speaker 2>bonus kid. And he took a job driving a street car,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was bored he went back to crime.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Waterloo Region.

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<v Speaker 2>Record, that is the paper I was reading from, said

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<v Speaker 2>that he became known for his verve he displayed during

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<v Speaker 2>his bank robberies. So in today's terms, riz okay what

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<v Speaker 2>lotter is. During his crimes, he would leap on bank

1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.960
<v Speaker 2>counters and he was hot, so everyone was really into

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<v Speaker 2>the way he looked. He pulled off a string of

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<v Speaker 2>armed robberies in Toronto. And the first one so it

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<v Speaker 2>started with a heist at a Bank of Montreal branch

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<v Speaker 2>on September ninth, nineteen forty nine. Then July fourth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty he and end quotes, a heavier set partner end

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<v Speaker 2>quote decided to rob Dominion Bank with a green convertible

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<v Speaker 2>that they had stolen earlier. And he is smart, so like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they grew out their facial hair for this robbery.

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<v Speaker 2>He did use a gun that he stole off a

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<v Speaker 2>dead soldier in France during the Second World War.

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<v Speaker 3>They did a little razzle dazzle.

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<v Speaker 2>They robbed the bank in less than two minutes, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they ran into this idling convertible, sped away before

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<v Speaker 2>dumping the car in a swamp, and then they just

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<v Speaker 2>walked over to his truck. So like that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameras ruined everything. That's like the Malani joke, like you

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<v Speaker 2>really got to commit any crimes. And then I think

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<v Speaker 2>it goes into his like seamen Svu joke. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the pusage. But he was annoyed because he

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<v Speaker 2>got this partner thinking, oh, we'll do double the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But this guy was just like he was actually just annoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a split money with this loser. Like that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of the vibe. He's like, I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>needed a partner, but I don't need this guy. But

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<v Speaker 2>between September nineteen forty nine to October nineteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Boyd completed six different bank heists, sometimes alone, sometimes with

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<v Speaker 2>a partner. He was caught by a bank teller from

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<v Speaker 2>one of the robberies who brought his ass down as

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<v Speaker 2>a main witness.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is June Catania, and I wonder if she's,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, related to Frank, related to Dolo. The gun

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<v Speaker 2>was held at her fucking chest and she lived to

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<v Speaker 2>retail those terrifying moments in cour and she, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>star witness, and she recognized their voices. She also penciled

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<v Speaker 2>numbers on the money that day and was able to

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<v Speaker 2>identify several bills in their possession with the markings she'd made.

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<v Speaker 2>The physical evidence and her testimony is what linked him

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<v Speaker 2>directly to the crime. And in the fall of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one, he was caught and thrown into the dreaded

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<v Speaker 2>Dawn jail like no toilets, dreaded a bucket in the corridor.

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<v Speaker 3>Type of jail.

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<v Speaker 2>But guess what, my favorite he had two prison breaks, babys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so basically from this from this like whoa jail And

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<v Speaker 2>it left authorities so embarrassed and the citizens were pissed,

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<v Speaker 2>but they loved it. They were like enthralled by his audacity.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were like, can the call, like, what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on here? So and the by coincidence, the CBC in

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<v Speaker 2>Toronto began regular television programming the night of this jail break,

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<v Speaker 2>so it became a sensation. Allegedly there's like barely any

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<v Speaker 2>actual articles, okay, so then unprecedented in skill. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of books and movies and TV episodes, so

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to know more, there's a lot out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Unprecedented in scale of the search like that. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty six thousand dollars reward. Cops were everywhere swarming

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<v Speaker 2>the city with maps and traps and whatever or man traps.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, I said, maps, okay, man traps okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the mayor at the time, Alan Lamport, said the

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<v Speaker 2>most shameful thing that has occurred in the city to

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<v Speaker 2>the Toronto Daily Star, and it's like, oh, your mayor

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<v Speaker 2>is going to smoke crack soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you guys don't even know what you've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>You're embarrassed now, honey, there is so much so and

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<v Speaker 2>Drake being humiliated lately.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So, in the jail, he teamed up with some cell

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<v Speaker 2>mates Willie and Lenny Jackson and they smuggle a hack

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<v Speaker 2>saw blade what how and they sawed through some window bars.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they had a bron win, maybe they had some

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<v Speaker 1>guard that was on their side, who knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so they escaped.

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<v Speaker 2>November fourth, nineteen fifty one, the crew connected with Val

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<v Speaker 2>Lesso aka Steve SuChin. Who was They talk about him

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<v Speaker 2>like I would know these people, but it is my job.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're like, so, yeah, they connected with Val, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, who is Val? Okay so, and they began

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<v Speaker 2>robbing banks again. Two weeks after the jail break, the

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<v Speaker 2>bandits hit the Bank of Toronto for forty three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and then November thirtieth, nineteen fifty one, they got

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<v Speaker 2>more than forty six grand from the Royal Bank of

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<v Speaker 2>Canada in the Lee Side and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the biggest bank.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the biggest bank hold up in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of Toronto, according to the Toronto Daily Star. And the

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<v Speaker 2>Star is who coined the name the Boyd Gang, and

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<v Speaker 2>it stuck and even though Lenny felt like he was

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<v Speaker 2>the true leader, so he was kind of pissed. And

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<v Speaker 2>then March sixth, nineteen fifty two, Lenny and SuChin shot

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<v Speaker 2>sergeant of detectives ed Mintong and his partner, Detective Sergeant

1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Roy Perry, for their car like and then their car

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<v Speaker 2>was pulled over and they shot these two cops.

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<v Speaker 3>So that made the cops pissed obviously, and.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, we're gonna swear we're gonna catch these boyd boys,

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<v Speaker 2>and they arrested his ass while he was asleep in

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<v Speaker 2>bed with his wife.

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<v Speaker 3>But they made a huge mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>They kept all the men together in the Number nine hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a medical ward turned into a cell block

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<v Speaker 2>at this down jail, and the police was like, we're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it'll be easier to monitor all these men

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<v Speaker 2>if they're all in the same place.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's Oz style.

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<v Speaker 2>They would mingle all day in the daytime and then

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<v Speaker 2>they were locked in their cells at night. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was a ceiling microphone and that allowed the cops to

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<v Speaker 2>eavesdrop on everyone. But all these guys realized nobody patrolled

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<v Speaker 2>the area between five and seven am, and they're like, great,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get a fucking saw.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it. So it's like cartoon goofy.

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<v Speaker 2>So while Willie Jackson was known as the goof, he

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed the cell door key that hung on a guard's belt,

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<v Speaker 2>but the guard was just like, Aha, we're all just

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<v Speaker 2>fooling around. Willy's so funny and thought nothing of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Willy ended up making an outline of the key

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<v Speaker 2>and carved a key out of steel.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Break, this sounds like a full cartoon. This sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>Looney Tunes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So then with the key in hand, the men unlocked

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<v Speaker 2>their cell doors and saw it out again. It did

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<v Speaker 2>take a month to cut through, but they did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and a pillow was placed over the screen that housed

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<v Speaker 2>the ceiling mic to cover the sawing noises, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they were caught after complaints of homeless people living in

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<v Speaker 2>an abandoned barn were reported. But by this time they

1:19:30.880 --> 1:19:35.000
<v Speaker 2>had fans and stuff. Teenage girls were screaming clapping. They

1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:39.200
<v Speaker 2>would be like we want BOYD. They would scream, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So back to the John jail they go. But now

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<v Speaker 2>they were kept on round the clock supervision, obviously, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they put in stronger bars. He received a life

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<v Speaker 2>sentence but actually ended up being paroled in nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 2>but then eventually went back to jail for breaking parole

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<v Speaker 2>and served more time and then was finally out in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty six and headed west and got a job

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<v Speaker 2>driving a van. He ended up dying in two thousand

1:20:04.120 --> 1:20:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and two at the age of eighty eight of pneumonia

1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:09.680
<v Speaker 2>in British Columbia. But his two partners that ended up

1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:13.200
<v Speaker 2>like shooting and killing the cops or whatever in the shootout.

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<v Speaker 3>They were hung in the gallows in nineteen fifty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But again he had so much riz and so much

1:20:19.920 --> 1:20:23.800
<v Speaker 2>public fascination, so that led authorities to force him to

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<v Speaker 2>assume a new identity and to live the remainder of

1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:29.880
<v Speaker 2>his life from far from Toronto in British Columbia.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what they did. That's why he ended up there.

1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:33.479
<v Speaker 2>They're like, you need a new name, you need a

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<v Speaker 2>new identity, Get the fuck out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>You're too popular. He said.

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<v Speaker 2>His biggest regret was losing his family and all of

1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:44.040
<v Speaker 2>this he did, of course, remarry because why not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, later in life he.

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<v Speaker 2>Did confess, I did a few things that could have

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<v Speaker 2>got me hung. So that's like a little Brian Dennie vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to read more, there is a book

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<v Speaker 2>by Brian Valley v. A. L. L. Ee, and it's

1:20:57.200 --> 1:21:01.439
<v Speaker 2>called Edwin Alonzo Boyd the story of a notorious Boyd gang.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to read that, and you know,

1:21:05.080 --> 1:21:08.360
<v Speaker 2>and with all that charm and attention, the director of

1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:12.840
<v Speaker 2>that Scott Speedman movie, Nathan Morlando said, you know, but

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<v Speaker 2>how much courage and charm does it take to put

1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:18.160
<v Speaker 2>a gun in a female bank teller's face? Our city

1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:21.519
<v Speaker 2>was terrorized by a ruthless gang, you know, let's not

1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>forget all that. And even from the grave though, this

1:21:25.200 --> 1:21:28.599
<v Speaker 2>man is still fooling and conning around with his legacy.

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<v Speaker 1>So damn damn wild Well, thanks for looking into those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh yeah, no another another no, guests, we've had

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<v Speaker 1>Paget on if you want to go back and listen

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<v Speaker 1>to our interview with Paget Brewster. I think we asked

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<v Speaker 1>her about this episode for sure, but let's just get

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<v Speaker 1>into our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I still don't like this episode, but I

1:21:58.560 --> 1:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>am thrilled that, you know, some people don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I like Paget, We love Paget, Brian Denny

1:22:06.640 --> 1:22:10.599
<v Speaker 1>he is, you know, a legend slash John Wayne Casey

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind forever.

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<v Speaker 3>But the crimes were interesting too.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel so sad for this man who

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<v Speaker 1>happened to live next door to a serial killer who

1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:22.120
<v Speaker 1>framed him for the murder of his own children.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus, this happens to me week after week where I

1:22:24.960 --> 1:22:28.519
<v Speaker 2>start the postmortem talking about this beloved television show and

1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:30.519
<v Speaker 2>then you hit me with the news of a crime

1:22:30.560 --> 1:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>that I had just talked about, and then you reminded me.

1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, yeah, fuck, that was the worst thing ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Let the bodies hit the floor, but under the floorboards.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, bummer, bummer, bummer, yes, a real bummer.

1:22:47.520 --> 1:22:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Anyways, Uh, please, don't ever run away, don't trust anyone,

1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:55.280
<v Speaker 2>don't leave your child with a weird man. Also, let

1:22:55.280 --> 1:22:58.360
<v Speaker 2>your kids go to school. Stop with this homeschooling trend,

1:22:58.600 --> 1:23:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Like let your kids go to school and learn which

1:23:02.960 --> 1:23:05.479
<v Speaker 2>kids weren't going to school? Just this man didn't have

1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:07.360
<v Speaker 2>a great education and so he.

1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh, yes, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>You want your kids to learn, and I'm for schools.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think. Also, this this episode taught us that

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<v Speaker 1>the NYPD has like just tons of time to sit

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<v Speaker 1>with old people until they decide to give up their secrets.

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<v Speaker 1>Benson was on round the clock nurse duty at this place,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, yeah, here's a question about this episode. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that after Paget Brewster sort of had the

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<v Speaker 1>closure with her dad and and he died and she

1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:44.519
<v Speaker 1>realized that kind of he did everything to sort of

1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:47.120
<v Speaker 1>spare her like pain. Do you think she opened all

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<v Speaker 1>those cards and took the cash because there was one

1:23:50.040 --> 1:23:51.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks in every card.

1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it gave him to a kid. Yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>probably put kid, put it in the cast for the kids,

1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>put it in a kid's savings account or something.

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<v Speaker 3>The Bahamas put his ashes there. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>take a nice little trip, A.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice little trip the Fedora Bandit's oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's move to what with Sister Peg.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know this is our weekly segment where we

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<v Speaker 1>direct you towards an organization, a charity, an article, a book,

1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>a movie, something to give you more info about what

1:24:18.840 --> 1:24:21.120
<v Speaker 1>we talked about. And I was just thinking about how

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<v Speaker 1>some people in the final chapter of their life do

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<v Speaker 1>not have the opportunity to have Olivia Benson sit at

1:24:26.960 --> 1:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>their bedside and for that kind of attention, usually they

1:24:31.160 --> 1:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>are helped by hospice nurses and hospice volunteers. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we'd like to point you to the Hospice Foundation of America,

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<v Speaker 1>specifically their volunteer page. They are an integral part of

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<v Speaker 1>hospice work and there's a wide variety of ways that

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<v Speaker 1>people can volunteer. Obviously, one way is to work directly

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<v Speaker 1>with hospice patients, but other necessary roles include, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>childcare assistants, fundraising, administrative work, and even helping take care

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<v Speaker 1>of the hospice facilities themselves. So for more information go

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<v Speaker 1>to Hospice Foundation dot org slash volunteer and that will

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<v Speaker 1>as in a story on our Instagram page that's messed

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<v Speaker 2>And next week we will be doing the Lowdown, not

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<v Speaker 2>the Lowdown Lowdown, Okay, we'll do the episode low down

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<v Speaker 2>from season five, episode twenty. We've been waiting so long

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, so I can't wait. And we have

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<v Speaker 2>see you. Then that's messed up as an exactly right production.

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<v Speaker 4>Dun dun