Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up. An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Lisa and I am Kara, And you know
Speaker 1: what this podcast is hopefully or maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe this episode's your first one you just decided to
Speaker 1: dive in in the one nineties, we talk about an
Speaker 1: episode of Law and Order SVU, we talk about the
Speaker 1: true crime is based on, and sometimes we talk to
Speaker 1: a guest. And first off, I wanted to share some
Speaker 1: exciting news with you guys today that Lisa and I
Speaker 1: are going to be back out on the road soon.
Speaker 3: Bear.
Speaker 1: We're doing a little spooky season tour this October. So
Speaker 1: if you live in Denver, Phoenix, San Diego, La San Francisco,
Speaker 1: or Portland, get your shit together and come see us.
Speaker 1: We do great live shows. They're really fun that switch
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: If you went last time, if you've seen us, We're
Speaker 2: gonna try to switch it up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna switch it up. We never do the same
Speaker 1: episode in the same city. We don't believe Para has
Speaker 1: a spreadsheet. You don't think the has cross references, Like
Speaker 1: I have a spreadsheet, baby, it is insane. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna come up with like fun new games, like I'm excited,
Speaker 1: and yes, it was.
Speaker 2: My longest stretch outside of the pandemic that I haven't
Speaker 2: been on the road and it's you know, I'm really
Speaker 2: loving it. But I also can't wait for our spooky
Speaker 2: season adventures. Yeah, yeah, I'm excited. It's so great to
Speaker 2: meet all you guys. We'll have some fun tour exclusive
Speaker 2: merch that we usually sell and yeah, I mean we're pumped.
Speaker 2: So go to thats messed uplive dot com that that
Speaker 2: will have links to all the individual venues andickets and stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, come see us live or the sad truth
Speaker 2: is we won't be able to come to your city again.
Speaker 1: If people don't come, we can't come. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it goes up. Top though, on this podcast, you
Speaker 1: know we love to chat, Lisa, take it away?
Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well did you see who the crowned
Speaker 2: winner of Drag Race All Stars?
Speaker 1: I did, And I actually just confess this to my friends.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna confess it to you right now.
Speaker 2: Actually obviously there's a spoiler spoiler or not because we're
Speaker 2: in the time, Michie and so go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I don't know, I'm amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're listening to this episode, they crown the
Speaker 1: winner like three weeks ago, but you know, do fast
Speaker 1: forward a few minutes so that you don't hear us
Speaker 1: talking about it. But I clicked on a link to
Speaker 1: find out who won. I was so far behind. I
Speaker 1: just was like, I'm not gonna be able to avoid
Speaker 1: who won, so I'm just gonna find out.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Weird, it's all weird.
Speaker 2: I mean I love Angeria, like for sure, but it
Speaker 2: was a weird decision because I know Plas doesn't learn
Speaker 2: the words, but above him be she's incredible. Plus Stice
Speaker 2: not even being in the top three and she does dance,
Speaker 2: she's I just feel like it's crazy to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will, okay, so id of anything. If it
Speaker 3: was the top three, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: If it was Angeria, who was it Roxy and Vangie.
Speaker 2: I feel like it should have been Fangy that clamshell outfit.
Speaker 2: Like I liked what Vangie was bringing. She was great
Speaker 2: in the Ruscle, Like, I just don't understand giving it
Speaker 2: to this young girl queen.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I had friends that said they thought Roxy was gonna win,
Speaker 1: which I would have loved, which I would have thought.
Speaker 1: Roxy is legendary and like she's always been great, like
Speaker 1: they've you know, I just thought, maybe, yeah, let's give
Speaker 1: it to somebody who's like a little bit more quote
Speaker 1: unquote old school, from like an older season. You know,
Speaker 1: she's from season five. Originally it was already.
Speaker 2: It was so funny at the end, like Nina West
Speaker 2: was disappointed and it's like in what world were like,
Speaker 2: you've had too this whole time, Like you're not.
Speaker 1: Going wait tell me this little bit of a spoiler.
Speaker 1: Does Chanelle ever get a badge?
Speaker 3: Yes? She gets three badges? Wow.
Speaker 2: Her and George just do a really cool thing where
Speaker 2: they both win a benefactress badge and then part of
Speaker 2: that win includes giving another one to someone else, and
Speaker 2: they just gave it to each other.
Speaker 3: Oh, so that got her to two.
Speaker 2: And then she won one, so another one or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's how it is great.
Speaker 1: I was like worried for some reason that Chanel wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna get one, but I am going to catch up obviously.
Speaker 1: It's just like I wasn't going to avoid spoilers for
Speaker 1: all these weeks, so I just clicked and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's weird. I didn't think that's who was going to win.
Speaker 1: But okay, I never really know what the reasoning or
Speaker 1: the politics is behind to some of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I like her a lot, so I
Speaker 2: feel weird even being like justs dissecting. She did have
Speaker 2: six badges at the end of the day, shine where
Speaker 2: badges and everyone else, So yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: that's that she should have won. She had the most
Speaker 2: amount of badges. That's who I like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: take it all back. I just had favorites throughout and
Speaker 2: so that's just where it's coming from.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, I also yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say about these no go home seasons.
Speaker 3: They just don't have the same stakes for me.
Speaker 2: I just can't well, even if they don't go home,
Speaker 2: but there's a check at the end, and they are
Speaker 2: competitive people, so I know they care about being champions,
Speaker 2: but I just feel like even a pro like for
Speaker 2: it to also be charity and no one goes home
Speaker 2: and no one writes money.
Speaker 3: It's just well, I think it was the pit Stop.
Speaker 2: So you know, Tricksy's on a break famously and so
Speaker 2: the pit Stop was fucking Bob and or was it
Speaker 2: just the podcast?
Speaker 3: Was it Bob? I mean I I just listened to
Speaker 3: that this morning, Bob and Katya. I'm watching too much content.
Speaker 2: Everything is okay, pit Stop All Stars nine, Okay, yes
Speaker 2: it was. I was correct. I'm not losing my mind.
Speaker 2: It was Bob and Katya. So I was in heaven.
Speaker 2: So Bob and Katya for the they were like, oh god,
Speaker 2: plus to cover your face.
Speaker 3: She has not won one dollar for her charity.
Speaker 2: Like there was one mini challenge where she I think
Speaker 2: was able to win twenty five hundred. They have like
Speaker 2: fun games in the workroom, but like truly she gets
Speaker 2: a benefactress badge, but it's not one. Ellipse has not
Speaker 2: won a lipsy she's so bad at lip syncing, but
Speaker 2: she's not she just doesn't know the words. But I
Speaker 2: think the dancing I thought one she should have won.
Speaker 2: I mean the professional drag queens. I tried to I
Speaker 2: what is it? I give it up to them for
Speaker 2: their opinion, like they know more than me. So then
Speaker 2: you defer to them. I defer to them, and they
Speaker 2: keep being like she didn't know the words, and like
Speaker 2: I didn't even notice.
Speaker 3: She's a god, Like I didn't even She's just so
Speaker 3: great to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she did not win, not one dollar, and they
Speaker 2: were like just saying how she should cover her face
Speaker 2: and how embarrassing it is for her charity.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like if they did something where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, you get two undergrand and so does
Speaker 1: your charity or something, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: you split. So it's like there's more stakes in it.
Speaker 1: They're actually going against each other for we know how
Speaker 1: much money they're spending on their wardrobe. So it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be nice for the Ulsters.
Speaker 2: They gave them budgets or something because to them, they
Speaker 2: are canceling their calendars. These are very popular queens, Like,
Speaker 2: so you do have to compensate that. So what is
Speaker 2: that amount of money for someone that's spending half that
Speaker 2: just to go there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: But I love watching Draft.
Speaker 3: I like it. I like the show.
Speaker 1: No, me too, me too, I'm gonna keep watching. It's
Speaker 1: just like I didn't have the urgency to stay on
Speaker 1: top of it.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know what my opinions are
Speaker 2: and what the internet tells me from the pitstop and
Speaker 2: fashion photo review, But when they sing for their life
Speaker 2: to stay in the competition, it is just more fear
Speaker 2: like aha as the volcano, like doing I need a
Speaker 2: hero like for her life. Like it's just more engaging,
Speaker 2: you know, than just an incredible performance.
Speaker 3: They are really putting it out there.
Speaker 1: Well, my friend told me that Canada versus the world
Speaker 1: is a fun ride right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's all I gotta jump into that. I
Speaker 2: got it, so we could jump into that.
Speaker 1: Well to move on to another show that our listeners,
Speaker 1: many of our listeners say, we don't really know what
Speaker 1: shows you're talking about up top, Well, here we go.
Speaker 1: Last night there was an episode of Jersey that was
Speaker 1: supposed to have like a big bombshell.
Speaker 3: Did watched it today?
Speaker 1: I was brave, dumb, and it's like, there's just no bombshell.
Speaker 1: And I've been like today I've been kind of scouring
Speaker 1: the internet for content like is there a bombshell?
Speaker 3: Like is this a thing?
Speaker 1: Basically, Teresa Judize thinks that her scam artist husband he's like,
Speaker 1: that lawyer ruined that lawyer.
Speaker 2: That lawyer look goofy as fun. That is not a
Speaker 2: lawyer you want in the courtroom. I'm sorry, that is
Speaker 2: a grease ball.
Speaker 1: I will if you don't watch the show, I will
Speaker 1: explain to you an iconic thing that happens. So Teresa
Speaker 1: thinks that her friend, her ex friend, Margaret, who by
Speaker 1: the way, two years ago, was at her wedding with
Speaker 1: her mother, like bruh, came to the wedding two years ago.
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, this evil woman just is all
Speaker 1: about ruining my life.
Speaker 3: I Marge is like one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 3: So I just can't believe it.
Speaker 1: And she she's like, she's talking to my husband's ex wife.
Speaker 1: It's putting out all these rumors. Okay, whatever, whatever. Who
Speaker 1: knows if any of that's true. I don't think it is,
Speaker 1: but whatever. She doesn't have any proof. She calls her
Speaker 1: lawyer to her house and gets all the friends to
Speaker 1: come so that she can point out to them how
Speaker 1: Margaret is the evil devil and has this huge bombshell.
Speaker 1: She's say, it's gonna make you a headspin. Nothing is revealed.
Speaker 1: It's basically revealed that she's had a conversation with his
Speaker 1: ex wife or ex girlfriend, like it doesn't matter, Like
Speaker 1: it really isn't pot.
Speaker 2: She's doing her job, she's getting dirt, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: what do you want?
Speaker 3: This is so boring. This is so boring.
Speaker 1: It's so all the housewives are like their faces are
Speaker 1: like what, like there's nothing.
Speaker 3: It's like a nothing burger.
Speaker 1: So then they go to they in the middle of
Speaker 1: this big shit talk fest that's supposed to be this
Speaker 1: huge bomb, the doorbell rings and a funeral style like
Speaker 1: wreath of flowers is delivered and it's addressed to Teresa
Speaker 1: and her lawyer and it says, so sorry for the
Speaker 1: loss of your dignity. Love love, love Marge. And I
Speaker 1: just thought it was iconic. I thought it was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was like a great housewife move. It was great television.
Speaker 1: Teresa goes refuse, get it off my property, like she
Speaker 1: wouldn't take the flowers, of course into her home. But
Speaker 1: it was you got got That was really fun. It
Speaker 1: was so good. It was really fun.
Speaker 2: But we're not in a grade and I'm rewatching the
Speaker 2: OC like, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be able to get through it. Like I'm on season
Speaker 2: eight of The Rewatch and it's the current season's eighteen.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do ten more seasons, Like
Speaker 2: I truly these I don't like viag I didn't know
Speaker 2: how much I hated Vicky, like I knew I didn't
Speaker 2: like her, But now it's like, oh, you're vile Tamras.
Speaker 3: They're vile liar like.
Speaker 1: Like that's why when they were like giving like Vivy Vicky,
Speaker 1: like the housewipe of like the Generation Award, I was like,
Speaker 1: you're Ali.
Speaker 2: She's like gross, you were on that and I told
Speaker 2: you to shut up and that I did tear up.
Speaker 3: I remember that. I remember that moment. But that's part
Speaker 3: of what they do.
Speaker 1: They get everything comes in waves, like I don't know
Speaker 1: the girls on Bitches. She used to always be like
Speaker 1: we are huge flip floppers. Like one season they hate one,
Speaker 1: the next season they're the greatest thing that's ever happened,
Speaker 1: Like that's what it's designed for, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's like Brooks pretending to have cancer and it's
Speaker 2: like so clear that he doesn't have cancer.
Speaker 3: Watching it. He's at a party, is being like I'm good.
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: It's like, I, yeah, it's a really intense thing for
Speaker 2: most people that I feel have it, even if they
Speaker 2: are at a party.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, parties aren't illegal, but you're not brook sing
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: But I also there was your son had a little
Speaker 2: too much partying, and I would love you for you
Speaker 2: to talk about that.
Speaker 3: You posted a story. Oh my god. Okay, so everybody
Speaker 3: get ready.
Speaker 1: I'm still in my potty learning journey with my son Oscar.
Speaker 1: He is doing amazing at home. At home, he tells us,
Speaker 1: I gotta go pee. He shuts the door, goes in
Speaker 1: and does it by himself. He pees, the number two
Speaker 1: is it's going. It's like do at home, mostly successful,
Speaker 1: but I can't say there's not an accident here and there.
Speaker 1: At school, the peeing is good. The number two is
Speaker 1: always in the pants, always in the pants. In another location,
Speaker 1: he just doesn't get it, like, oh wait, there's a
Speaker 1: bathroom here, even though he goes pe in it every day.
Speaker 1: So I took him to my friend's house for a platedate.
Speaker 1: It was Rosy's friend. They know him like he's there
Speaker 1: or whatever. So at one point he has like some
Speaker 1: kind of little thing in his underwear, and so I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, I'm just gonna take your underwear off
Speaker 1: and put it in his zip block and save it
Speaker 1: to the rest. So all this to say, he's free
Speaker 1: bawling in these little shorts he's got on. Okay, he
Speaker 1: comes up to me and the mom while we're having
Speaker 1: a glass of wine and goes, I pooped in the
Speaker 1: hall And I look around and I see what can
Speaker 1: only be described as the largest herd I've ever seen
Speaker 1: come out of a child's body in my entire life.
Speaker 1: Like it was, it would have been shocking coming out
Speaker 1: of an adult. It's just sitting in the hallway. But luckily,
Speaker 1: I mean, they had just had their house cleaned, like
Speaker 1: they had just their housekeeper had just been there. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I am she is such a cool
Speaker 1: mom that I knew. Like it was not that like
Speaker 1: I wasn't super super mortified, but I was pretty mortified.
Speaker 1: And it was luckily a compact situation that I could
Speaker 1: just pick up and with a wipe and put in
Speaker 1: the toilet. But wow, then he immediately got into a
Speaker 1: unicorn costume with a crown and was taking cute little
Speaker 1: pictures looking like a little angel. But yeah, crap, throughd
Speaker 1: on the floor at my friend's very cool house. This
Speaker 1: is my worst I know we have a lot of
Speaker 1: parents that listen, and I know some of you feel
Speaker 1: me because it's truly just the worst part of parenting
Speaker 1: for me. I literally cannot stand potty training. Rosie did
Speaker 1: it in three seconds. I have not been blessed this
Speaker 1: time around with that kind of response time.
Speaker 3: And we're working on it. We're getting there, but it's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I asked you for this story, and
Speaker 2: I'm like stunned out, I know.
Speaker 1: And now you're like your face is like I don't
Speaker 1: like this story.
Speaker 3: Hey, I hate it.
Speaker 1: But then okay, So then I posted a picture of
Speaker 1: him on his and Rosie's private Instagram, which only people
Speaker 1: I know follow are are allowed to follow, and I
Speaker 1: just wrote like it was a story that just said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that feeling when you just did
Speaker 1: a poop on the floor at a play date, but
Speaker 1: I use the poop emoji whatever, And I was like
Speaker 1: nervous after I posted it, like, am I bad for
Speaker 1: doing this? But it really is a private account only
Speaker 1: like a couple few people are seeing it, so maybe
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. But I sent
Speaker 1: to a couple moms and they were like, no, it's funny.
Speaker 3: Who cares. I was like, great, it's like those dogs SHAMINGO.
Speaker 1: Don't people get really upset about those what like those
Speaker 1: dog shaming accounts where it's like, look what I just did,
Speaker 1: and it's like a picture of the dog with like
Speaker 1: a like they just ripped apart a or done something
Speaker 1: horrible or you know, like gotten into the dog food
Speaker 1: and then barfed everywhere or whatever. I thought like I
Speaker 1: was dog shaming, but with a child who can eventually
Speaker 1: grow up, and well, he's not gonna go into my archives.
Speaker 1: He's never gonna see it. I am like so into
Speaker 1: my Explorer page right now. It's truly just cute animal
Speaker 1: stuff and the Olympics.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm in the heavy.
Speaker 1: All I did was follow like NBC Olympics account and
Speaker 1: my whole Explorer pages Olympics and I'm loving it. I
Speaker 1: am watching bad minton rallies, I am watching Simon, I
Speaker 1: am watching so many like the the tandem diving.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, I've been following Alona mar and she the
Speaker 2: rugby girl, right yeah, She's been in my Explorer a lot.
Speaker 3: Too, probably because you follow her.
Speaker 2: She's great. She's great. I went on a deep dive
Speaker 2: where I was like, this is psychotic. She probably, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just so many followers. Probably not, but the notification
Speaker 2: would be glitter. She's liked this photo and one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty others like that is how it went.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: I went down to the beginning of her insta just
Speaker 2: like every little fun video and she's been doing it
Speaker 2: a while and they're also funny. It's just cool when
Speaker 2: someone just I mean, that's what's great about the Internet.
Speaker 2: Some people just they know what's her.
Speaker 1: I've seen them, but I haven't really been paying attention,
Speaker 1: like what's her vibe, what's she doing?
Speaker 3: She's like funny and a rugby player.
Speaker 1: Okay, she's okay, And so her videos are just kind
Speaker 1: of like funny musings or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a lot about like dating and her other girls,
Speaker 2: and I don't know, she's been eating a lot of
Speaker 2: bread and cheese. Listen, she's taken the nation by storm
Speaker 2: and the world a million followers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started following another million follower follower person. I
Speaker 1: just started following Drew A. Fwallow from Caleb's podcast. I
Speaker 1: think right, yeah, yeah, And I just think I heard
Speaker 1: her on the Tricksy podcast and was like, oh, you're funny, like,
Speaker 1: so I just started following her.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so what are you gonna do? She hits
Speaker 2: it up in my explore page.
Speaker 3: Listen. Yeah. Phones have been amazing. I've oh I had
Speaker 3: a Phones have been very important for us in this
Speaker 3: time of the Olympics.
Speaker 2: I have had a delicious case idia. I am late night.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this even existed near my house, and
Speaker 2: to know I'm so happy, Oh amazing, So.
Speaker 3: To like, I went home. I walked home at like
Speaker 3: two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's dangerous, and I found a Casidia and I
Speaker 2: was so happy. And the other people eating it truly
Speaker 2: looked like the end of an action movie where they're
Speaker 2: like so tired, because they just did like a big
Speaker 2: heist or like hijinks just happened. Like they were all
Speaker 2: like hot tired, but not that tired, and they did
Speaker 2: look like a tinge of criminality with fun piercings. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like a party was like they just oceaned
Speaker 2: eleven and they're having like.
Speaker 3: Another grabbing a case of d That love how I
Speaker 3: felt about them. I mean or you know, they're not
Speaker 3: who knows.
Speaker 1: It is kind of amazing how simple a casadia is.
Speaker 1: It's like a tortilla and she's I got anything. I
Speaker 1: got so much, Okay, but it's so much better out
Speaker 1: than you could ever make it at home. I made
Speaker 1: one for myself this past weekend and was like, this
Speaker 1: is just not the same thing as getting it either.
Speaker 2: They're not going to put the amount of cheese and
Speaker 2: grease it takes.
Speaker 3: To make it good. Yeah I did, but I like
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: I used butter for the outside. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: never as good as like even a snack bar casadia
Speaker 1: at like a random freaking pool or something.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just better.
Speaker 1: Should we wrap up and get started with today's episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, As we said at the beginning, that's messed up
Speaker 1: live dot com. That's got links to all these tour
Speaker 1: dates that we just announced. It's got links to the
Speaker 1: link that says Liza's website takes you to her link
Speaker 1: tree with her live dates that she's doing coming up,
Speaker 1: and it also takes you to our merch and it
Speaker 1: takes you to our you know, if you're gonna come
Speaker 1: see us, we love when you wear our merch to
Speaker 1: our shows. And then uh, it's got our promo codes
Speaker 1: to guys shop our promo codes. Please, we'd love it.
Speaker 1: And with that, let's get going on one of Lisa's
Speaker 1: most hated episodes. Okay, today all Lisa is showing me
Speaker 1: the ax Lottle that she got from It's so Tony Island.
Speaker 3: Listen, a listener told me.
Speaker 1: Was like listen for one listener wrote me and said,
Speaker 1: you can't have axcel Lott's as pets anymore. But then
Speaker 1: another listener said, I have two ax Lottel's, but they're older,
Speaker 1: and she's worried about me spreading the about me getting
Speaker 1: an axce Lottle as a pet, and I go, ma'am,
Speaker 1: there's simply no chance that I'm getting an axce Lottle
Speaker 1: as a pet, so don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: But then she sent me photos of them to show Rosie.
Speaker 2: I have any ever received more messages than Oxalottle messages.
Speaker 2: And when I won the ox lot, people are like, Ohxlottle,
Speaker 2: like it was definitely a moment for.
Speaker 1: Me, truly, Like sloths can just go extinct now, like
Speaker 1: their day is over.
Speaker 3: Your day in the sun. That's so funny.
Speaker 2: No, my friend Marcia got one a sloth with a
Speaker 2: little orange vest on it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying slots are very five years ago, like
Speaker 1: saxe loels are right now, all right, all right, they're
Speaker 1: the hot animal of the moment, all right, Okay.
Speaker 2: It is my least favorite episode. I did go to
Speaker 2: bed to it last night, and I actually didn't finish
Speaker 2: it because I passed out because I hate it. So
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really surprising when you tell me, wow,
Speaker 2: it ends. I remember some of it, but it's kind
Speaker 2: it's a silly one. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 2: It's not silly, it's different. You know. I hate the
Speaker 2: ones where it's like we're going to death. What's the
Speaker 2: other one? I hate the beauty one.
Speaker 3: Count Down.
Speaker 1: You don't like countdown episodes where it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like almost that, like this guy's got ten hours before
Speaker 1: his lethal injection and we got to find out where
Speaker 1: the body is that he buried.
Speaker 3: You don't like those like kind of countdown episodes.
Speaker 2: I don't, And I hate this one because this guy's
Speaker 2: like I would honestly throw him in a cage and
Speaker 2: go surry up.
Speaker 3: Sir.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, This episode is called Shaharazad. It's from season eight,
Speaker 1: episode ten, airing on the second day of January in
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. And we open at Stabler's favorite
Speaker 1: place in the world church, Okay, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what this is.
Speaker 3: I think it's a confirmation.
Speaker 1: Kids are picking different names, and oh my, I wrote
Speaker 1: in my notes, OMG, this might be the only line
Speaker 1: Elizabeth slash Lizzie Stabler ever has had.
Speaker 3: Like they go, what name have you chosen?
Speaker 1: She goes Claire, and then he goes peace be with you,
Speaker 1: and she goes and also with you.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever heard that kid speak another time.
Speaker 1: They literally gave all of Stabler's children got their own episodes.
Speaker 1: This one child, the girl twin, gets absolutely nothing. I
Speaker 1: know she's recast in oc and I think she's back
Speaker 1: a little bit more and speaks more. But as a child,
Speaker 1: we do not see Elizabeth Stabler speak very much. The
Speaker 1: whole Stabler family's in the pews. Elliott's absolutely beaming, like
Speaker 1: nothing makes him happier than the Lord. His children are,
Speaker 1: you know, getting their confirmation names. Dicky's up now, he
Speaker 1: chooses Michael for his confirmation. Maureen's like I thought he
Speaker 1: chose Peter. And Stabler looks at him like he's about
Speaker 1: to absolutely barf with happiness and goes, no, Saint Michael,
Speaker 1: the patron saint of cops, like he's so fucking pumped
Speaker 1: that his son has chosen the cop saint for him.
Speaker 1: Kathy goes, yeah, he's trying to please his dad, and
Speaker 1: then Kathleen, a fucking bitchy voice of reason, goes yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's gonna get you two back together.
Speaker 3: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: If you'll remember, this is season eight, so the Stabler
Speaker 1: marriage is unstable and that's what's happening. So afterwards they're
Speaker 1: all filing out and Stabler's kind of trying to play
Speaker 1: happy family. He's like, you guys want to go get burgers?
Speaker 3: What do you want to go to?
Speaker 1: P Andng And that is a cafe on the Upper
Speaker 1: West Side that closed ten years ago, and like it
Speaker 1: was the historic bar on the Upper West Side. But
Speaker 1: they live in Queen's so, like, where's the church were
Speaker 1: going into Manhattan for burgers?
Speaker 3: I'm confused about the geography anyway.
Speaker 1: Kathleen says, I'm a vegetarian and they have big plans
Speaker 1: to go to Grandma's.
Speaker 3: We don't want to hang out with you, Dad.
Speaker 1: Stabler's like next weekend, and Kathleen's like, okay, Boomer, we
Speaker 1: hate you. And she drags Marine away and Kathy's like
Speaker 1: it's still hard for them, and like then he's like, uh,
Speaker 1: I know, and he's trying to play it cool. Then
Speaker 1: a priest comes up to speak to Elliott. He needs
Speaker 1: a favor, and you know, that's like a celebrity for
Speaker 1: Elliott Stabler, so he's like, anything for you. He tells
Speaker 1: him about this man in hospice named jud Tierney. He
Speaker 1: has end stage lung cancer and he wants Stabler to
Speaker 1: go talk to him. And he's like about what, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a priest, bitch, you know I can't
Speaker 1: tell you that. So Stabler goes, well, okay, cool, can
Speaker 1: I go Friday? And the priest is like this guy
Speaker 1: won't last that long, Like can you go sooner please?
Speaker 3: So in the next.
Speaker 1: Scene, Stabler is at the hospice meeting jud Tierney, who
Speaker 1: is played by Brian Denahe who is a legendary actor.
Speaker 1: He was a big Eugene O'Neill guy, like he did
Speaker 1: I remember him, like winning the Emmy for Death of
Speaker 1: a salesman when they did it as a TV movie,
Speaker 1: but I guess he was considered like one of the
Speaker 1: greatest interpreters of Eugene O'Neil like plays. He's also Chris
Speaker 1: Farley's dad and Tommy Boy huge for me, and he's
Speaker 1: in so many fucking movies. But the thing I remember
Speaker 1: him from the most, that I think of about him
Speaker 1: the second I see him is that he played John
Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy in a TV movie from nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: called to Catch a Killer, which absolutely terrified me. Like
Speaker 1: I watched it when I was like eleven and was like,
Speaker 1: this clown is just murdering boys after he sexually assaults
Speaker 1: them and hiding them under his fucking porch, Like it
Speaker 1: was so horrifying. So whenever I see Brian Dunhee, I'm
Speaker 1: like Joe Wayne Gacy, It's like the first thing that
Speaker 1: comes to my mind. And I'd also didn't realize he's
Speaker 1: from Connecticut. He died in twenty twenty, so rest in
Speaker 1: peace to Brian Dunnhee.
Speaker 3: He was quite a legend.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Sabler walks in and this guy goes yeah, still, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I know him from, Like obviously
Speaker 2: a brother of name Brian Dennay.
Speaker 3: Well, like he's you know.
Speaker 2: But so I'm scrolling IMDb from the bottom up, being like,
Speaker 2: what do I know him from?
Speaker 3: And I don't know this, but there's a TV movie
Speaker 3: called Skokie. Click on it. What's it about? You know what?
Speaker 3: It's about? The Nazis marching? Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I thought it was like, maybe just like a
Speaker 1: heartwarming movie about a suburb family drama.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: The nazis a dramatization of the controversial trial concerning the
Speaker 2: right for neo Nazis to march in the predominantly Jewish
Speaker 2: community of Skokey. There's a big it's based. It's honestly
Speaker 2: our future. It's the cover is an American flag and
Speaker 2: in the center of it is the Swastika.
Speaker 3: In a circle. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And it says, just how far can we go with
Speaker 2: freedom of speech?
Speaker 3: Skokey Skoky Wow? Wow? Carl Reiner is in it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But I'm gonna keep scrolling as you talk
Speaker 2: to see where I actually know Brian danny Hey from though, Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, well it famously in Tommy Boy. He's like Tommy Boys,
Speaker 1: I've never seen eyes. Oh my god, you've never seen
Speaker 1: Tommy Boy. I love tummy Boys so much. So Stabler
Speaker 1: walks in and Brian Tierney is like, I'm still here.
Speaker 1: Get me some more of that yummy jello if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be here, you know. Like he's in a power wheelchair.
Speaker 1: He's giving lots of sarcasm, and then Elliott says he's
Speaker 1: from the NYPD and Jud goes thirty years I've been
Speaker 1: waiting for this day. You almost missed me. And then
Speaker 1: he's coughing and we go to the credits. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they're kind of doing like a wheel and talk down
Speaker 1: the hall of the hospice home like Jud's like, oh,
Speaker 1: in my day, priests used to keep their mouth shut,
Speaker 1: and it's like, honey, they still do. Uh. And he
Speaker 1: asks if he needs a lawyer, and we sense like
Speaker 1: a profession.
Speaker 2: Guess what he was in ratituy. I did see that.
Speaker 2: I did see that when I was perusing his IMDb.
Speaker 2: He asks like, do I need a lawyer? And we
Speaker 2: do sense that there's like a confession of some sort
Speaker 2: on the horizon right and right, and he asks Stabler,
Speaker 2: what are you charging me with? And Stabler goes, you
Speaker 2: need me to tell you and Jud goes, you don't know,
Speaker 2: got me not bad flat foot so like Brian and
Speaker 2: he's really great, Like you can just tell when they
Speaker 2: bring an excellent actors onto the show, like he is
Speaker 2: really good in this and he's like, yeah, you don't
Speaker 2: fucking know what I have. You know, you're so I
Speaker 2: can literally dangle you for as long as I want
Speaker 2: because you actually don't know what I've done. Truly, besides Ratituey,
Speaker 2: I've never seen anything he's done.
Speaker 3: Svu and Ratituey. Wow. Maybe it was maybe he was.
Speaker 2: On the Simpson like they talked about him, because I'm like,
Speaker 2: the name is very Wait.
Speaker 1: Did you see on the Simpsons? Somebody sent us this?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw it. The girl, the
Speaker 1: woman who voices Bart, is related to Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 3: It's like her niece or something.
Speaker 1: They did a question and answer with Nancy Cartwright and
Speaker 1: she goes, is Sabrina Carpenter your niece? She goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that crazy, and like she talks about Sabrina.
Speaker 3: Carpenter for a minute.
Speaker 2: Wow, cool, fam Sabrina Carpenter. Her arena tour is sold out? Baby,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, aunt, yes, so is Bart Simpson, which is
Speaker 2: like a hilarious sentence. Yeah, that's insane. Her aunt is
Speaker 2: the richest aunt there ever was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that almost makes me. That's like almost nipowie to me.
Speaker 1: That says nepowie as Emma Roberts being related to Julia Roberts,
Speaker 1: although Emma Roberts's father was also an actor, Eric Roberts,
Speaker 1: but not as famous as her.
Speaker 3: On I mean that is that's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now we've arrived back in Jud's room and he
Speaker 1: has a little mini fridge with beers in it. I
Speaker 1: guess at the end you can just do whatever. They
Speaker 1: just let you keep beers in your fridge at your
Speaker 1: hospice home. Oh okay, And Stabler explains SVU to him,
Speaker 1: like what you know, crimes against women and children and homicides.
Speaker 1: Judd goes, oh, sounds like father Dennis sent me the
Speaker 1: right guy. Stable's like, you can talk to me, and
Speaker 1: Judd goes, don't rush me. Stabler's like, I'm not rushing you,
Speaker 1: but I heard the devil is waiting on your ass.
Speaker 2: And then I know you're sick of me, but I'm
Speaker 2: an okay you again. Brian Denahey is mentioned on an
Speaker 2: episode of the Simpsons. So basically they're in the movies
Speaker 2: and it's it's jaws wired shut.
Speaker 3: It's when Homer gets his jaw wired shut.
Speaker 2: But anyways, so they're in the movies and there's like
Speaker 2: a movie star scramble happening and it's Mot Hanks or yeah,
Speaker 2: and so Lisa's like, obviously it's Tom Hanks, but then
Speaker 2: it's Autumn Shank and she goes, who and then a
Speaker 2: Pooh goes He's the Indians. He's India's answer to Brian Denahey,
Speaker 2: and so that's how I know Brian wow.
Speaker 1: And that's your reference. And to me, he's John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 1: But he's also was a legendary stage actor with with
Speaker 1: with so many, so many credits, so I'm sure everybody
Speaker 1: has seen him in something, but for us it's weird stuff.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm not rushing you, but I heard
Speaker 1: the devil's waiting on your ass. And then jud says,
Speaker 1: I want to see my daughter. Why don't you bring
Speaker 1: her here? And they go does she know you're dying?
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, the doctors had to call her
Speaker 1: because she hung up on me. So the relationship is contentious.
Speaker 1: You can tell. Judd says, I got a lot to
Speaker 1: get off my chest. Bring her here and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you everything. And believe me, there's a lot to tell.
Speaker 3: So at the.
Speaker 1: Precinct they've checked this guy out. There's no priors under
Speaker 1: the name Johnson Tierney without fingerprints, though it could be
Speaker 1: an alias. He owns a home in Regal Park. He
Speaker 1: opened a locksmiths shop in nineteen seventy one worked there
Speaker 1: every day until he got sick a year ago. He's
Speaker 1: got no debt, eighteen thousand dollars in his checking account
Speaker 1: and a small IRA, no red flags. He's never been
Speaker 1: a suspect or a person of interest in an investigation
Speaker 1: like Clean, Clean Clean. The daughter is Sheila Tierney Dumont, teacher,
Speaker 1: married with two kids. She's on eighty third Street. Liv
Speaker 1: wants to tag along and Stabler's like, you think he
Speaker 1: molested her, and she's like, well, that priest picked you
Speaker 1: for a reason. So the next scene where at Sheila's home,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, based on the address in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Hudson River, and he immediately we immediately
Speaker 1: hear her saying, my life is none of your business.
Speaker 1: And look who it is. It's our friend of the
Speaker 1: pod Paget Brewster, we love her. She is in a
Speaker 1: large home with stairs, and my sister's a teacher in
Speaker 1: New York City and she simply doesn't live in a brownstone.
Speaker 1: So I'm really interested in what this woman's husband does
Speaker 1: or because you know they have a teacher, does not
Speaker 1: have a home with stairs, I would say, in New
Speaker 1: York City. And she's like, fuck that guy, come back
Speaker 1: when he's dead and I'll pop the champagne. Stabler, the
Speaker 1: patrons saying of bad dads, is like, I think he's
Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, clear his conscience, and she says,
Speaker 1: I haven't spoken to my dad since nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: when I was eighteen, after my mom died. They're like,
Speaker 1: does he even know about his granddaughters? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you went to their school and introduced himself on the
Speaker 1: playground and I did not like that. Benson cuts to
Speaker 1: the chase did he abuse you? And she's like, I
Speaker 1: Am not going to have that conversation and wants them
Speaker 1: to leave. Stabler leaves a card and tells her that
Speaker 1: her daughters are beautiful. She stops them and goes, hold on,
Speaker 1: there's a box in the basement and okay, she also
Speaker 1: has a basement, so it's a big house, and she
Speaker 1: wants them to take the box to him as a
Speaker 1: bombvage present so she is not shedding any tears over
Speaker 1: her dad being in his final.
Speaker 3: Days of life.
Speaker 1: In the basement, they find the box and it's filled
Speaker 1: with hundreds of cards that he sent her over the years.
Speaker 3: They're unopened.
Speaker 1: They all say please forgive me and have one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars in them cash. She doesn't want the money. She's like,
Speaker 1: give it to charity. There's something's money can't buy. And like,
Speaker 1: Olivia goes like forgiveness and she's like, give it up.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about it. And they're like,
Speaker 1: why did you save these? She goes, I was saving
Speaker 1: them for this exact occasion. I wanted him to know
Speaker 1: that I never read a single one, which is like, wow,
Speaker 1: that is hatred. You know. Outside, Benson and Stabler are chatting.
Speaker 1: She thinks that our dad molested her. Stabler's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not getting the purv vibe from him, and I'm like, lol,
Speaker 1: he literally played John Wayne Gacy like this man like
Speaker 1: played one of the worst job molester and murderers of
Speaker 1: all time, and liv asks like, why is this guy
Speaker 1: under your skin? And Elliott's like, he's not, he's not,
Speaker 1: but you know you can tell it's all related to
Speaker 1: fatherhood and what's going on with his family and his kids.
Speaker 1: The cards give them Prince and saliva, so they'll get
Speaker 1: DNA soon enough on this guy and see like what's
Speaker 1: in the system. Lives like, let's drop the cards at
Speaker 1: the lab and grab dinner, and Elliott suggests, how about
Speaker 1: the cafeteria at Haven House, which is the hospice where
Speaker 1: Tierney lives live. Looks pissed, she wanted a nice meal,
Speaker 1: and Elliot's like, I want you to meet Tierney.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So when they get there and Elliott calls Olivia in,
Speaker 1: she sort of steps into the doorway and she's backlit
Speaker 1: and Judson Tierney is like kind of on morphine, and
Speaker 1: he thinks that it's Sheila.
Speaker 3: He thinks it's his daughter, and he's like.
Speaker 1: Sheila, honey, and then he realizes that Sheila wouldn't come,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh no, she's a tough kid. Death
Speaker 1: isn't going to soften her up. And he's coughing. He's
Speaker 1: got like pressing the button for this morphine drip that
Speaker 1: he's on. They're like, how does Sheila look? And Sin's like,
Speaker 1: she's beautiful. So are your two granddaughters. He goes Ashley
Speaker 1: and lindsay, god knows where she dug up those names, yes,
Speaker 1: extremely rare, weird names for late eighties and nineties. So
Speaker 1: he remembers one of them has a birthday coming up.
Speaker 1: He's like, I gotta send her a card, and like
Speaker 1: live shoots a look over at Elliott, like, well, they're
Speaker 1: not going to.
Speaker 3: Get the cards.
Speaker 1: Benson asks what did you do to Sheila? And he goes,
Speaker 1: I heard her and then he says, I'm sorry, baby,
Speaker 1: and then he just falls asleep. So the morphine has
Speaker 1: him kind of drifting in and out of consciousness. Sometimes,
Speaker 1: Stabler's beeper goes off that the lab has completed the
Speaker 1: fastest analysis in history because they literally just came from
Speaker 1: her house and they've already run the Prince. Benson offers
Speaker 1: to stay in case. Tierney wakes up at the lab.
Speaker 1: O'haler and is like, we got great DNA samples, but
Speaker 1: he's not the system. It's like, obviously the DNA would
Speaker 1: be from like you know, like I don't know he's
Speaker 1: an older guy. DNA only started like twenty years before
Speaker 1: this episode. But then he also left perfect prints on
Speaker 1: the card, and those are in the system under Jake Tierney.
Speaker 3: Those popped.
Speaker 1: He was arrested for burglary and Peoria in nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 1: Saint Paul in fifty seven, El Passo in fifty eight.
Speaker 1: So this guy never did more than six months in jail,
Speaker 1: and then he's been clean for fifty years.
Speaker 3: So what's going on? And they're like, well, check out
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 1: The bills in all the cards are from nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty nine. Nothing is newer than
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. So he must have a stash of these
Speaker 1: bills because they wouldn't still be in circulation after all
Speaker 1: this time. So O'Halloran ran them through the currency watch list.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that existed, and he got a hit.
Speaker 1: Elliott calls live before o'haleran is even done with his
Speaker 1: findings and she's like, yeah, Tierney's just waking up. So
Speaker 1: back at the home, Olivia is not babying Tierney. She's like,
Speaker 1: you abuse Sheila, right, And he's like, I've done bad
Speaker 1: shit in my life but I love my daughter like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go there. I didn't never lay a hand
Speaker 1: on her like that. Why do you keep writing? Forgive
Speaker 1: me Sheila? They're asking him and like, what kind of
Speaker 1: guy molests his daughter and then sends her a card
Speaker 1: to remind her about it every year. Tierney's like, you
Speaker 1: need professional help. I hope your partner has more sense,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, you do kind of have molestation
Speaker 1: on the brain events and that's true. At the FBI,
Speaker 1: Sabler meets Agent Peters and asks her about the case number.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, the agent that worked that case from
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one is retired, but if you have a lead,
Speaker 1: I'll take it. She tells him that the case involves
Speaker 1: two young men who committed one of the longest string
Speaker 1: of unsolved bank robberies. They were known as the Fedora Bandits.
Speaker 1: They've not not very catchy. You know, they've been on
Speaker 1: the most wanted list for forty seven years.
Speaker 3: Pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: The next morning, Benson and Stabler stroll up to Tyranny
Speaker 1: sitting outside the home. He's kind of rambling about the
Speaker 1: weather and storm's coming, and he's on morphine and he's
Speaker 1: like it's cold. Benson offers him a blanket and Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: how about your fedora?
Speaker 3: Tyranny's like impressed.
Speaker 1: He's like, wow, you guys are quick, and they're like,
Speaker 1: are you ready to confess to twenty one armed robbery?
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't he.
Speaker 2: Just confess he's dying, Like, what's with the chase? It's
Speaker 2: so annoying, he's so dramatic.
Speaker 1: Well that's what the title of the episode is all about,
Speaker 1: which we get into yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's like, you think that's all I got?
Speaker 1: He's He goes, I've been straight for a long time
Speaker 1: and Stabler points that, yes, it's eighteen seventy one, the
Speaker 1: year Shila was born, and he goes, yeah, when we
Speaker 1: had her, everything changed, Like the minute I held her,
Speaker 1: I couldn't protect her if I got locked up. So
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, okay, So Sheila knows that you're just
Speaker 1: like a massive bank robber and that's why she hates you,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, Sheila doesn't know about that stuff.
Speaker 1: And they're like, so, why won't she see you? And
Speaker 1: he goes, the reason I've avoided capture for this long
Speaker 1: is because I don't talk about me or my business
Speaker 1: to anyone certainly ever never a cop. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you've been sort of leaking information to the cops. And
Speaker 1: it is true though, Like I could never get away
Speaker 1: with a crime for forty seven years. I'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this one quick thing, but you
Speaker 1: cannot say anything, you know, like I would absolutely be
Speaker 1: leaking it to a few people after some drinks. And
Speaker 1: so it is like a lot of self control, I think,
Speaker 1: to keep something like this a secret for so so long.
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I'm done wasting my time. I'm turning this
Speaker 1: over to the Feds. And he walks off, and Tierney
Speaker 1: calls out and goes, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 1: Then he tells Benson, I'm gonna lie down. The drugs
Speaker 1: are making me tired, but you should stick around. You
Speaker 1: never know what I'm gonna feel like talking. So he's
Speaker 1: jerking these people around, and I think the jerking is
Speaker 1: what's driving you crazy, Right, She's just not realistic.
Speaker 2: I would have ripped a fucking morphine out of his hand,
Speaker 2: slapped him across his face and said I don't have
Speaker 2: time for this.
Speaker 1: We have victim, we have live victims. I know we
Speaker 1: have a caseload, motherfucker. Well that's what happens next. Is
Speaker 1: like at the precinct, the priest comes in to like
Speaker 1: follow up with Elliott and he's like, well, yeah, he
Speaker 1: gave up the bank jobs. And the priest is like,
Speaker 1: is that all? And Elliott goes there's more and Stabler's like, father,
Speaker 1: what the hell is up? I've got twelve active cases.
Speaker 1: I don't have time to play twenty questions with this old,
Speaker 1: morphined up dude. And the priest is like, his immortal
Speaker 1: soul is in danger, and Stabler's like, uh, eternal damnation
Speaker 1: is not a police matter, which so true. You know,
Speaker 1: the priest says, it's not just his soul, you'd be
Speaker 1: saving a whole family. Okay, so obviously you know Stabler
Speaker 1: that appeals to Stabler with going on what's going on
Speaker 1: in his life. Back at Sheila's place, she admits she
Speaker 1: didn't know about the robberies, but she's not surprised. Her
Speaker 1: dad is a pro at keeping secrets, and Stabler's like, well,
Speaker 1: the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, bitch.
Speaker 3: You got plenty of your own secrets.
Speaker 1: You won't tell us anything, and it's like that's kind
Speaker 1: of true, Like she is about to open up to us.
Speaker 1: Molestation's not part of it. Why wouldn't you just say no,
Speaker 1: that's not what happened. Why would you say to the cops,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about this. Like that implies
Speaker 1: that there's some kind of deep seated physical trauma, I
Speaker 1: would say, or emotional trauma that you can't get into.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she's like, when my mom died, my dad
Speaker 1: wanted me to stay at home and go to college
Speaker 1: in Queens. Stabler didn't go to college in Queens, but
Speaker 1: she decided she want to go to Europe. She'd save money.
Speaker 1: She just needed a passport. But he wouldn't let her
Speaker 1: have her birth certificate, so she picked the lock on
Speaker 1: the box where he keeps all the family documents, and
Speaker 1: the birth certificate listed Judson Tierney as the father and
Speaker 1: her mother as Suzanne Molinax. But she says, but my
Speaker 1: mother's name was Leonore. So he told her that Lenore
Speaker 1: couldn't have children and that he'd had an affair with
Speaker 1: Suzanne and gotten her pregnant. She says, my parents never
Speaker 1: hugged me. They never said I love you, Sable goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the old school Irish way. My folks were
Speaker 1: the same. And look at me. I'm an absentee father
Speaker 1: with rage issues in the middle of a divorce. You know,
Speaker 1: things work out. And Sheila goes, no, it wasn't the same.
Speaker 1: My house was all locked doors and silence, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of you know, that's fucked up. I get why
Speaker 1: that's made her like traumatized. I don't get why it's
Speaker 1: made her not be able to say I wasn't molested
Speaker 1: to the cops pretty quickly. But my father made my
Speaker 1: mother raise his lover's child every day. I was there
Speaker 1: to remind them. No wonder they didn't touch me. My
Speaker 1: mother probably hated me. Stabler says, I'm sure that's not true,
Speaker 1: and she goes, well, I'll never know, will I. And
Speaker 1: so now we're at the precinct and Huang is getting
Speaker 1: involved and he is squabbling with Stabler.
Speaker 3: He's like, dude, it's Sheila's choice if she.
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to see her father, and Stabler's like, I
Speaker 1: think she'll regret it. And all you think, all you
Speaker 1: shrinks talk about is closure, and Huang quotes Tolstoy and
Speaker 1: says families are complicated. Stabler's like, what about Tierney? How
Speaker 1: do I get him to talk? And Hwang says, you don't,
Speaker 1: He'll talk when he's ready. You can't rush Shahrazad. So
Speaker 1: Shahrazad is the narrator of the Middle Eastern collection of
Speaker 1: tales called One thousand and one Nights. In the story,
Speaker 1: there's a king who gets cooked, so he marries a
Speaker 1: virgin every day and beheads her the next morning before
Speaker 1: she can betray him. Totally cool and normal, Shaharazad offers
Speaker 1: to marry the king and basically tells these amazing stories
Speaker 1: to him that he keeps not killing her in the
Speaker 1: morning because he wants to hear the stories. And she
Speaker 1: does this for one thousand and one Nights and by
Speaker 1: the end the king has fallen in love with her
Speaker 1: and spares her life. So this is often referenced when
Speaker 1: somebody is telling a story to prolong their survival, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you one more thing before you pull
Speaker 1: the trigger, you know. So Tierney is trying to stave
Speaker 1: off death in the same way so that he can
Speaker 1: reconcile with Sheila, but she won't come, so he needs
Speaker 1: Olivia to take her place. This is Huang's psychological assessment
Speaker 1: of what's happening here. Stabler's like, she has come, she's there,
Speaker 1: she hasn't left. She's been watching him sleep all night,
Speaker 1: and like, meanwhile, the police department is paying Olivia amounts
Speaker 1: of overtime. She's just living at this hospice home with
Speaker 1: this one man who may or may not have another
Speaker 1: crime to confess. Huang says, Olivia's playing the fantasy of
Speaker 1: a daughter that's not the real thing.
Speaker 3: So they're like, oh, so does she have to get
Speaker 3: mad at him?
Speaker 1: And Huang goes, well, if she does, he'll do anything
Speaker 1: to get her back. So cut to Live shaking Tyrney
Speaker 1: awake and immediately being like, who's suzannemullenax? And he goes,
Speaker 1: she died a long time ago, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: she was Sheila's birth mother, and he says, my wife
Speaker 1: Leonor was her mother. I told Sheila blood doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: only love, and she goes love making your wife raise
Speaker 1: another woman's kid. He goes, I didn't make her. She
Speaker 1: wanted a kid and couldn't have one. We couldn't adopt
Speaker 1: because I was an convicted felon. Like Live does go
Speaker 1: why didn't you adopt? And it's like, he goes, I
Speaker 1: was a convicted felon, like Olivia, you would know that.
Speaker 1: So Benson's like, if you're such a good dad, why
Speaker 1: won't Sheila take your calls? And he goes, I was
Speaker 1: just trying to protect her lives like you were protecting yourself.
Speaker 1: And he's like in the bathroom, and then Benson yells, okay, dude,
Speaker 1: I've had enough of this.
Speaker 3: Sheila doesn't want to hear your stories, and neither do I.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: He opens the bathroom door with a fedora on and
Speaker 1: goes he's ready to go, and he goes, you got
Speaker 1: a car now. They're in a cemetery in Plattsburgh, New York, which,
Speaker 1: in case you think is just up the Hudson, it
Speaker 1: is five hours north of New York City. It's on
Speaker 1: Lake Champlain, across from Vermont, Okay. So they're at his wife,
Speaker 1: Lenore's grave. There are roses there that lake. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: really love that.
Speaker 3: I love Lake Champlain. I think it's the most beautiful lake.
Speaker 1: And there are a little monster in there who lives
Speaker 1: Champ Champ. Yeah, I lost a hat as a kid.
Speaker 1: They go Champ as your hat now, so there.
Speaker 3: Are roses at the grave.
Speaker 1: He still has a florists put roses at Lenore's grave.
Speaker 1: Like every he seems like a very loving husband. It
Speaker 1: is interesting to me that the home was filled with
Speaker 1: such like animosity even when we get to the bottom.
Speaker 3: Of all of this.
Speaker 1: So he tells Live you better start digging, and she
Speaker 1: thinks he means like, dig up your wife's grave. And
Speaker 1: he goes no, under the flowers, and under there she
Speaker 1: finds a set of keys.
Speaker 3: One do these go to? Lol?
Speaker 1: Why would he tell you that he's the king of
Speaker 1: jigsaw puzzles? Like he is literally just jigsawing you right now.
Speaker 1: So cut to Stabler at Tierney's house in Rego Park,
Speaker 1: which is a section of Queens and he's trying the
Speaker 1: key in every lock, cabinets, doors, nothing is working. Then
Speaker 1: outside he's walking and he steps on something metal and
Speaker 1: it's like a cellar door, kind of bomb shelter that's
Speaker 1: like in the ground, and boom, the key to that fits.
Speaker 1: Stabler goes down into the cellar. He sees a couple
Speaker 1: of trunks. The keys fit the trunks as well. He
Speaker 1: opens one up. It's filled with cash. He calls Live,
Speaker 1: and he's like, there's got to be a million dollars here.
Speaker 1: He's kind of giddy. I'm like, take a little bit.
Speaker 1: You got to send all these kids to college. Wouldn't
Speaker 1: the currency in the birthday cards have been enough to
Speaker 1: warrant a search of his home, Like the cops could
Speaker 1: have snipped off these little locks no problem without the
Speaker 1: ten hour round trip journey to upstate New York for Live.
Speaker 1: You know, like they went all the way up there
Speaker 1: to get these keys. It's like, here's a bolt cutter.
Speaker 1: They're open anyway. He's on the phone with Live as
Speaker 1: he opens the other trunk and he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found Tyranny stash. And then when he lifts the lidd
Speaker 1: he goes along with the other half of the fedora bandits,
Speaker 1: and inside the trunk we see a mummified skeleton with
Speaker 1: a little fedora resting right on the chest.
Speaker 3: So done done.
Speaker 1: So Now we're at Melinda's house where she's showing Stabler
Speaker 1: how this guy was shot at close range, like right
Speaker 1: through the heart. She says the body could have been
Speaker 1: down there for months or years. Mummification can occur in
Speaker 1: a short period of time if it's kept in a
Speaker 1: steady low temperature without sunlight to degrade it. So Stabler
Speaker 1: is suddenly a fashion blogger and he clocks the wide
Speaker 1: collar on the short tie and he's like, well, this
Speaker 1: is a classic seventies look. Melinda goes brings back memories,
Speaker 1: and Stabler goes of what you and diapers, and Melinda goes,
Speaker 1: bless your heart. In reality, they are too. In reality,
Speaker 1: she's two years older than him. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they're playing a little cute age game. Maybe he's flirting
Speaker 1: and kind of seeing what his options are post Kathy.
Speaker 1: Melinda also found some coins in the pocket of this
Speaker 1: guy's clothes, and no coins were after nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: so that's probably as close to time of death as
Speaker 1: they're going to get.
Speaker 3: Back at the.
Speaker 1: Hospice place, Tierney's eating when Olivia strolls up and accuses
Speaker 1: him of killing his partner, which he cops to extremely quickly,
Speaker 1: and he's very unremorseful. He's like, yeah, I did that.
Speaker 1: His only regret is letting him rotten the trunk in
Speaker 1: his backyard. He says, it's stunk up the place something fierce.
Speaker 1: I ha to tell neighbors it was a dead cat.
Speaker 1: In a storm drain, which is crazy because when he
Speaker 1: plays John Wayne Gacy, I think he also tells people
Speaker 1: it's a dead animal when he's hiding kids under his
Speaker 1: porch of his house. Anyway, just only a connection for me.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, what was I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: And Olivia is like, you could have turned yourself in,
Speaker 1: Like what about Jack's family? They probably wanted to know
Speaker 1: that he was dead. Tierney goes, he had no kids
Speaker 1: and his wife was better off without him. Benson helps
Speaker 1: him put his oxygen tubes fixed up, and then she goes,
Speaker 1: don't you think his wife would want to know he's dead?
Speaker 1: I love this moment. We cut to the home of
Speaker 1: Rita Calino on Long Island. She goes to all these
Speaker 1: women in her bridge game girls, I'm a widow. She
Speaker 1: has this sassy friend who goes, congrats, are we dealing
Speaker 1: you in or what?
Speaker 3: These do not give a shit?
Speaker 1: This guy's been missing for thirty years, Like they don't
Speaker 1: you know? So Rita tells Stabler, I haven't thought about
Speaker 1: Jack in the years, and she gives Stabler a picture
Speaker 1: of him and says, I'm not They asked him, like
Speaker 1: do you know how he made his money. She goes,
Speaker 1: I don't really know, but I'm sure it wasn't what
Speaker 1: he put on his taxes. When I'd get curious, he'd
Speaker 1: buy me a piece of jewelry. I just assumed he'd
Speaker 1: run off with one of his mistresses, so you knew
Speaker 1: he was cheating. Stabler asks, and she goes, it was
Speaker 1: a different time. Nice Catholic girls didn't get a divorce,
Speaker 1: although I considered it for the sake of the baby.
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I thought you guys didn't have any kids,
Speaker 1: and she goes, no, the baby wasn't mine. Jack knocked
Speaker 1: up some girl and she wanted him to divorce me.
Speaker 1: But Jack would never even ask me for a divorce.
Speaker 1: She goes, He had his affairs, but he always came
Speaker 1: home to mama, So it's weird that she would think
Speaker 1: that if he always came home to Mama, that one
Speaker 1: time he'd be like, well, no, this mistress actually is
Speaker 1: I am going to leave a not say a word.
Speaker 1: That is weird that you wouldn't have called anyone said anything.
Speaker 1: So she was like, the only reason I even knew
Speaker 1: about the baby is because this little tramp came to
Speaker 1: my door and was begging me to let go of
Speaker 1: my husband and there what was her name? And she
Speaker 1: goes rhymes with hunt love a good see you next
Speaker 1: Tuesday joke on the old s V and Rita goes,
Speaker 1: but her real name was Suzanne Mullinax. Okay, so we're
Speaker 1: getting closer to what's going on here. In the next scene,
Speaker 1: Benson confronts Tierney about it and he that, oh, like,
Speaker 1: so you and Jack were both sleeping with Suzanne. So
Speaker 1: who's Sheila's dad? And Tierney goes, Jack was, but he
Speaker 1: but I forged my name on the birth certificate. So
Speaker 1: you get the feeling that he did not sleep with
Speaker 1: Susanne at all. I don't think he was having an
Speaker 1: affair with Susane at all.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So then Tierney asked Benson to pass him a smoke
Speaker 1: and she's like, are you joking? And he's like, what
Speaker 1: is it going to make me sick? So basically she's like, so,
Speaker 1: how did you end up with Sheila? Tierney goes, Sheila
Speaker 1: was one month old. Jack calls me up and says
Speaker 1: he ran out of gas, bring and bring a can
Speaker 1: over to Suzanne's house. When he gets there, Suzanne is dead.
Speaker 1: Jack killed her because she threatened to him out on
Speaker 1: the bank robberies if he didn't leave Rita.
Speaker 3: He thought that the problem was solved. I'll just get
Speaker 3: rid of her body.
Speaker 1: So he starts splashing gas around the house and Tierney's like,
Speaker 1: what about the baby, And Jack says, to hell with her,
Speaker 1: let her burn, and he starts moving towards the crib
Speaker 1: with the gas can in his hand. So Tierney shot
Speaker 1: him right through the heart. So that confirms, like the
Speaker 1: forensics are all backed up by that story as well.
Speaker 1: So he took the baby, told his wife about the
Speaker 1: whole Jack and Suzanne thing, told her about the bank jobs,
Speaker 1: that money, and everything came clean about it. She cried
Speaker 1: for an hour and then made him promise that it
Speaker 1: was all in his past. And then he locked up
Speaker 1: Jack and the money in the bomb shelter and he
Speaker 1: never looked back. And Benson's like, why didn't you tell
Speaker 1: Sheila she was adopted? And He's like, tell her that
Speaker 1: her mother was a blackmailing tramp and her father was
Speaker 1: a murderous thief who I killed.
Speaker 3: And Benson's like.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, sure, I get why you kind of kept
Speaker 2: that a secret.
Speaker 1: You didn't want her to hate herself. He says everything
Speaker 1: he did was for Sheila, and he'd do it again.
Speaker 1: There's been too many secrets, too many lies. I killed
Speaker 1: a man, I stole his kid. I got to answer
Speaker 1: for that, So arrest me. He goes, please, come on,
Speaker 1: why do you leave your your handcuffs at home? He's
Speaker 1: like begging them to arrest him. So then you think
Speaker 1: for a second that lives gonna kind of.
Speaker 3: Let it slide.
Speaker 1: But then you remember this is Olivia Benson and she
Speaker 1: doesn't let anything slide. And she stands up and she
Speaker 1: arrests Tyranny for the murder of Jack Callino and the
Speaker 1: kidnapping of Shila Dumont. Like, does this explain to you though?
Speaker 1: Also why they were not nice to Shila? Like, I
Speaker 1: know she's not their biological child, but it seems like
Speaker 1: he loved her a lot. Why would they Why was
Speaker 1: everything closed doors and secrets and no no, never saying
Speaker 1: I love you and never.
Speaker 3: Talking to her or touching her.
Speaker 2: Well, he was also career criminals, so it's like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure she kind of hate it. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't like this episode. Yeah, yeah, that's true, there's no reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at the precinct, finn Is like, wow, in forty
Speaker 1: eight hours, you guys solve.
Speaker 3: Twenty one robberies, a murder, and a kidnapping.
Speaker 1: You're trying to make us look bad, and Stabler goes
Speaker 1: for once, Catholic guilt is a good thing, and then
Speaker 1: Munch goes, I thought we Jews had a corner on
Speaker 1: that market.
Speaker 3: I was like, the difference between.
Speaker 1: Catholic guilt and Jewish guilt isn't like Jewish guilt like
Speaker 1: you don't call your mom like this and that, and
Speaker 1: Catholic guilt is like if you do anything wrong, you're
Speaker 1: going to hell.
Speaker 2: Like there's like the guilt seems different, right, Well, we
Speaker 2: also talk about it. Yeah, they're like, no, there's this shame.
Speaker 2: Ours is guilt.
Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, like Jewish guilt, like you don't go to
Speaker 1: temple enough, you don't call me, you don't like you know,
Speaker 1: like it's like the guilt that your parents put on you.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like guilt tripping versus actually feeling guilt because
Speaker 1: the devil is gonna take your soul or whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Stabler's there to get some paperwork. Olivia is over with Tierney.
Speaker 1: He wanted to go to Central Booking, but they wouldn't
Speaker 1: let him because he's literally a death store and uh,
Speaker 1: Finn finds a little uh oh. The Molinac's case, it
Speaker 1: turns out, was closed in nineteen seventy two and her
Speaker 1: ex husband, Mike Mollenax was convicted of murder two and
Speaker 1: arson in the first. So now we're meeting this guy
Speaker 1: Mike X in jail. I recognize this guy. The actor
Speaker 1: is named John Doman. He's a big guy from the wire.
Speaker 1: He's also been on so much Law and Order. Four
Speaker 1: episode of Organized Crime, five episodes of Original Recipe, one
Speaker 1: of Trial by Jury, one of Criminal Intent, and five
Speaker 1: of SVU including limitations which we covered. And he plays
Speaker 1: that retired cop who drinks milk that we hate. Remember,
Speaker 1: we're like, look at this fucking loser. He like didn't
Speaker 1: listen to a rape victim's complaint he thought she was lying,
Speaker 1: And then he's like sitting there drinking a glass of milk,
Speaker 1: and we're like, look at this asshole drinking milk. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that was him, this actor, he's got tons and tons
Speaker 1: of credits. He works, He's in tons of movies and stuff,
Speaker 1: like you've seen him. Anyway, he's in jail telling his
Speaker 1: story He's like, I was just sitting on a barstool
Speaker 1: one night and the cops came in and arrested me
Speaker 1: for killing Suzanne and the baby, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: howd they arrested for killing the baby?
Speaker 3: They never found a body of a baby.
Speaker 1: He said he didn't do it, and no one believed
Speaker 1: him because he was a mean drunk back then, like
Speaker 1: when Suzanne threw him out, he'd harass her, show up,
Speaker 1: he threatened to burn her house down, and when he
Speaker 1: heard she died in a fire, he knew he'd be
Speaker 1: a suspect. So we hit out with one of his girlfriends.
Speaker 1: Then they had a fight, he beat her up. She
Speaker 1: turned him in the next day. Stabler's like, well, they
Speaker 1: didn't really have much of a strong case for you,
Speaker 1: just motive. And he's like, I was a dirtbag, boozehound
Speaker 1: with a habit of beating up women. It took the
Speaker 1: jury twenty minutes to convict and he's like, am I
Speaker 1: really going to get out of here? So we cut
Speaker 1: to Novak and she's like, I'll get him out. Wrongful
Speaker 1: convictions make the whole system look bad. Tierney won't be
Speaker 1: able to testify though, Like he's in bad shape. They
Speaker 1: keep saying that, but he's also been taking road trips
Speaker 1: with Livia. He's up and about, he's dining in the
Speaker 1: cafeteria like. He seems okay besides the coughing and the
Speaker 1: fact that he's still ripping butts. Casey just needs an
Speaker 1: affidavit from his doctor or a sworn's statement, like a
Speaker 1: dying declaration. Stabler's like, I don't think Tierney knew Molinix
Speaker 1: went down for this, So we cut to Tierney being like, oh,
Speaker 1: hell no, I didn't know that. If I knew that,
Speaker 1: I would have said something. Stabler's like, I checked the
Speaker 1: papers didn't cover his arrest or his trial. I guess
Speaker 1: it wasn't worth it. Like a man killing his ex
Speaker 1: wife and baby and setting the house on fire is
Speaker 1: not newspaper worthy enough in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 3: So they're swearing Tyranny.
Speaker 1: In and he keeps going, come on, come on, let's
Speaker 1: do it, like and Novak is like, subtle down, bro,
Speaker 1: like we have to do this by the book. She
Speaker 1: goes to swear him in. He can't stop coughing. He
Speaker 1: keeps pushing the morphine button. He starts to give a statement,
Speaker 1: but then he gets very woozy and suddenly the morphine
Speaker 1: has him totally zonked and he's like passed out. In case,
Speaker 1: he's like, you guys didn't mention he's on pain medication.
Speaker 1: And it's like, girl, he's in hospice. I think everyone
Speaker 1: is on pain medication. Like you should have asked if
Speaker 1: that was like a thing that the drug use is
Speaker 1: gonna make anything he says inadmissible, And without his statement,
Speaker 1: they can't get Mike Mollenax out of prison. So this
Speaker 1: is one of those moral conundrums that they have on
Speaker 1: this show. So now they're talking to Tyranny's doctor who's like,
Speaker 1: he's in a lot of pain. I increased his morphine
Speaker 1: and he's sleeping, and she's like, I kind of hope
Speaker 1: he never wakes up. The only thing that will bring
Speaker 1: him out of the sleep of this morphine sleep is narcan,
Speaker 1: and I can't give that to him without his consent,
Speaker 1: which he can't give because of the morphine morphine. She's like,
Speaker 1: I know it's a catch twenty two, but this is
Speaker 1: the treatment plan that he asked for, and I can't
Speaker 1: go against his wishes. His next of kin, his family
Speaker 1: could request narcan. So if Sheila asked for it, they
Speaker 1: could do it. So now Stable's at Sheila's house telling
Speaker 1: her the whole damn saga. So she's like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: sign the paper so an innocent man doesn't have to
Speaker 1: pay for his crimes. She'll but I'll do it as
Speaker 1: long as you tell her my dad that I didn't
Speaker 1: do it for him.
Speaker 3: She's still very pissed at him. Now they're at the home.
Speaker 1: The doctor is gonna give the narcan and he'll wake
Speaker 1: up immediately. So now Sheila is there and she has
Speaker 1: to decide if she wants to talk to him. Sable's
Speaker 1: trying to convince her that even though like, yes, your
Speaker 1: dad's screwed up, but he was just doing it to
Speaker 1: protect you.
Speaker 3: He says, I've done.
Speaker 1: The same with my own kids, this kind of seems
Speaker 1: like it's resonating with her. And then she starts walking
Speaker 1: into the room where she sees him sleeping, and she
Speaker 1: kind of starts to freak out, and he wakes up
Speaker 1: as she's like kind of running away, and he's like, Sheila,
Speaker 1: that's my girl, Sheila, And then Tierney's like, where's that da?
Speaker 1: She never finished taking my statement and she better make
Speaker 1: it quick, Like he keeps threatening like he could just
Speaker 1: pull the trigger and die whenever he wants. Stabler is
Speaker 1: now at sing sing to spring Mullenax. When there's another
Speaker 1: fucking rent this episode, the assistant warden walks up and goes,
Speaker 1: hate to break it to you, after all this work
Speaker 1: you've done. But in nineteen eighty five, there was a
Speaker 1: gang fight between the Aryan Brotherhood and the Crips. An
Speaker 1: officer got shanked, a couple inmates got murdered, and Molanax
Speaker 1: is the one that committed one of the murders, so
Speaker 1: they're going to file on him for that. So even
Speaker 1: though you're getting him out for the murder of Suzanne
Speaker 1: Molnax and the baby, he's going to be tried for
Speaker 1: this murder of like a prison fight that he got into.
Speaker 1: And Molinax is like pissed and he's like begging Stabler
Speaker 1: to do something. And then meanwhile Tierney's waking up coughing
Speaker 1: in his room, asking is Molanax out? Yet it's like
Speaker 1: he's waiting for Molanax to be freed so he can die.
Speaker 1: So now Mullenax tells Stabler what happened the day of
Speaker 1: the prison fight and he goes, I was coming back
Speaker 1: from Emil when those Aryan freaks jumped a black guy.
Speaker 1: He goes, then all these friends piled on all hell's
Speaker 1: hell breaks loose. He was just walking by and then
Speaker 1: a guy comes at him with a six inch shive.
Speaker 1: They wrestled to the ground. The guy drops the ship.
Speaker 1: He starts choking me out. So I grabbed the ship
Speaker 1: and I angle him in self defense. Stabler's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll see if I can help you, if I can
Speaker 1: check your story out. Now he's talking in Novac and
Speaker 1: he's like, I managed to track down six witnesses in
Speaker 1: five minutes who all back Molnax's story. She doesn't have
Speaker 1: any jurisdiction over the crimes committed at Sing Sing though.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, talk to the DA up state. She's like,
Speaker 1: I already did. That guy's on the warden side he
Speaker 1: wants to prosecute. So Stabler's like, this guy served thirty
Speaker 1: four years for a murder he didn't commit, and now
Speaker 1: he's going to do more time for a murder he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have committed if he wasn't locked up in the
Speaker 1: first place. This is kind of the premise of making
Speaker 1: a murderer. You know, this guy was in jail for
Speaker 1: all these years for a rape he did not commit,
Speaker 1: and then when he got out, he committed a murder.
Speaker 1: Would he have committed that murder if he hadn't done
Speaker 1: all that jail time, if this system wasn't fucked up
Speaker 1: like that?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Casey agrees that it's fucked up, but
Speaker 3: there's nothing she can do.
Speaker 1: And he goes do something Casey, So I guess now
Speaker 1: she can do something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Tierney is fighting death and won't give up, and
Speaker 1: liv is like, we're going to get him out. Just rests,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I got to see this through.
Speaker 1: It's like, sweetie, the judicial system does not move fast enough.
Speaker 1: You need to just get back on the morphine. You know.
Speaker 1: Cut to Queen Judith Light Elizabeth Donnelly, who is incredulous
Speaker 1: that Casey just asked her to get the governor to
Speaker 1: pardon this guy. Casey's like, I'll ask the governor. I
Speaker 1: just need you to get him on the phone. You
Speaker 1: guys are law school pals. And Donnelly's like, I would
Speaker 1: tell him not to get involved if I got him
Speaker 1: on the phone. The DA upstate has the right to
Speaker 1: try Mollenacs for murder. You can't circumvent the authority of
Speaker 1: the DA up there. But she's like, I do have
Speaker 1: an alternate plan. The governor can pardon him on the
Speaker 1: Molanax murder. If he pleads guilty to the prison murder
Speaker 1: and gets sentenced to time served, then he's free to
Speaker 1: go and everyone gets what they want. She'll get Casey
Speaker 1: and to see the governor, but the rest is up
Speaker 1: to her. So now Novak and Stabler at the Governor's office.
Speaker 1: He's stressing case Tyranny's dying, and she's like, just tell
Speaker 1: him Mollenax is out of jail.
Speaker 3: He'll never know.
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like, but I will honesty integrity till the
Speaker 1: very end. Then, but he can lie, but it'll lie
Speaker 1: to a suspect, you know. But then an assistant comes
Speaker 1: in and says the govern has agreed to the request.
Speaker 1: Stabler calls Live to tell her. She goes to tell Tyrney.
Speaker 1: He's relieved, but asks her to stick around because it's
Speaker 1: not going to be too much longer. She says, I'm
Speaker 1: not going anywhere again. The overtime that lives, She's been
Speaker 1: there forty eight hours, seventy two hours gone on a
Speaker 1: full road trip to Vermont.
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Stabler swoops in with Sheila right at that moment she
Speaker 1: sits with her dad. He's asleep, he's looking tyry and emotional.
Speaker 1: He looks peaceful, and then she starts sobbing. So I
Speaker 1: think we're meant to believe that his breathing has stopped
Speaker 1: or he's gone, and that's dick wolf baby. So in
Speaker 1: the end, he waited for her to die, like he
Speaker 1: kind of you're to believe he felt that she was
Speaker 1: there and then he let himself pass on. So it
Speaker 1: is a sad story because it's like, ultimately, this guy
Speaker 1: saved your life.
Speaker 3: But also.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he had given you to a firehouse,
Speaker 1: would you have been adopted to, like a more loving
Speaker 1: home than you were in, Like maybe she doesn't, maybe
Speaker 1: she doesn't fully agree with how the plan went.
Speaker 3: After the life, she would have been burned to a
Speaker 3: crisp if.
Speaker 1: He didn't know if he saved her life and then
Speaker 1: if he took her like gave her up for adoption
Speaker 1: or like you know, just left her on a doorstep
Speaker 1: for that or.
Speaker 3: I'm projecting I hate this look we got to move on.
Speaker 2: No, no, you did great. I was at the edge
Speaker 2: of my seat. I was very as much into it
Speaker 2: as I ever would be.
Speaker 3: You know. He just needed me to tell you the story.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about these crimes, so I'm excited
Speaker 1: for you to tell me.
Speaker 2: So there's two crimes we have, you know, sad murder
Speaker 2: vibes and then kind of more uplifting bank robber vibes.
Speaker 2: So well, we'll do that. The first one is the
Speaker 2: case of Timothy Evans. Timothy was born in nineteen twenty
Speaker 2: four in Merther, which is like Welsh English area, you know. Okay,
Speaker 2: So the article I found said that he was a
Speaker 2: poorly child.
Speaker 3: That must just mean poor, right, what's poorly so weird? Yeah? Poor?
Speaker 1: I guess poorly could also mean like you're poor, like
Speaker 1: you're sort of sickly, you look dirty. I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: I guess it was paints a bigger picture.
Speaker 3: You're right, you're right on the money.
Speaker 2: He had a deformed foot and he barely went to school.
Speaker 2: He didn't learn how to read or write really, but
Speaker 2: his family did end up moving to London in nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty five, and he eventually found work as a painter
Speaker 2: and then as a van driver. He was, you know,
Speaker 2: a Welshman living in London and more specifically in the
Speaker 2: notting Hill area, which I probably only am writing because
Speaker 2: of the movie.
Speaker 3: But it's also like a fancy area, isn't it it
Speaker 3: is now? Who knows what it used to be?
Speaker 2: That's true, you know, like the nineties Hell's Kitchen was
Speaker 2: I think kind of murderous for a while. But I
Speaker 2: wonder if I would even know what notting Hill was
Speaker 2: without the movie.
Speaker 3: Probably not. Uh, the first time I heard of it
Speaker 3: was the movie.
Speaker 2: And so he met his wife Beryl in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 3: Who else is name? Beryl? It's the hurricane that's happening
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Stop, isn't the hurricane? I don't know in Texas? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Beryl Houston, it says, damn.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh my god, that's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's this guy's wife's name. And they got
Speaker 2: they met in nineteen forty seven. They got married, and
Speaker 2: then they had a kid named Geraldine okay, which obviously
Speaker 2: reminds me of some like it up so I love it.
Speaker 2: And they lived now in an infamous home, ten Rillington Place,
Speaker 2: and basically, this man, Timothy, was hung for the crime
Speaker 2: of killing his wife Beryl in fourteenth month old child Geraldine.
Speaker 2: Oh it happened, been very fast. The trial only lasted
Speaker 2: three days, and the whole crux of the trial relied
Speaker 2: on the testimony of another person who lived in the building.
Speaker 2: So this guy, John Christy was his name, and he
Speaker 2: was a postal service clerk and also a former police
Speaker 2: special constable, so you know, a cab and he claimed
Speaker 2: that he heard the couple fighting all the time. But
Speaker 2: lo and behold, Christy ended up being found out years
Speaker 2: later as a serial killer and necrophiliac.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But by the time it was all found out, Timothy
Speaker 2: had already been sentenced to death.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And the jury only deliberated for forty minutes. March ninth,
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty he was sentenced to death at twenty five
Speaker 2: years old. This is a very young man, and he
Speaker 2: was hung in Pentonville Prison and buried in its cemetery.
Speaker 2: The death got very little attention because, like obviously, people him,
Speaker 2: he killed his wife and kid, you know, and they
Speaker 2: had okay thoughts about the death penalty.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a contrastial thought.
Speaker 2: At the time, and this case played a huge part
Speaker 2: actually in Britain finally suspending and then abolishing in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty nine the death penalty. But then for Timothy, he
Speaker 2: was not fully exonerated until two thousand and four, which
Speaker 2: I don't get why the paperwork took to that long,
Speaker 2: but whatever. So nobody knows what ended up truly happening,
Speaker 2: but it is thought that in nineteen forty nine, Beryl
Speaker 2: became pregnant again but decided to terminate the pregnancy, which
Speaker 2: was illegal at the time. So Christie's like, hey, I
Speaker 2: have medical experience and said, you know, he could perform
Speaker 2: the abortion.
Speaker 3: But when Evans was.
Speaker 1: She confiding in her cop neighbor that she was pregnant,
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, I do abortions.
Speaker 3: That's weird. Yeah, I mean they were in the same building.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's illegal, why would you confess
Speaker 1: to a cop.
Speaker 2: It's weird anyway, go on former cop. Okay postal service clerk.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're right, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Yes, you are.
Speaker 2: Right, but I have no ide yah yeah yeah, but
Speaker 2: this guy also didn't go to high school. Okay, So
Speaker 2: so basically like he was like, you know, I could
Speaker 2: do the abortion. But when Evans was out, he strangled
Speaker 2: both Beryl and Geraldine and then bury them in the property,
Speaker 2: like near the property in the Washington House. Now, when
Speaker 2: Evans returned, Christie's like, listen, your wife died during the procedure.
Speaker 2: I'll get rid of the body. I'll take care of Geraldine,
Speaker 2: but you need to skip town. Like abortion's illegal, the
Speaker 2: cops are going to come after you. You've got to get
Speaker 2: out of here. And yeah, and so this is where
Speaker 2: you know, not going to school really comes in. And
Speaker 2: so they figured out that Timothy had an IQ of
Speaker 2: a twelve year old, and so he went back to
Speaker 2: Mertha to stay with his family, and then he actually
Speaker 2: walks into the precinct and confesses to the crime. So
Speaker 2: then the London police were notified. And Evans said he
Speaker 2: put her down the drain, That's what he kept saying.
Speaker 2: But they didn't find any evidence in that way. But
Speaker 2: then they ended up finding these bodies wrapped in tablecloths.
Speaker 3: So the officers did.
Speaker 2: Really bad police work like usual, and the fence was
Speaker 2: being held up by a full femur bone.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh there was like a femur bone.
Speaker 2: In the fence, and the cops just kind of skipped that.
Speaker 2: So Evans eventually like told the truth once like everything started,
Speaker 2: you know, happening, and he was like, listen, I was
Speaker 2: just covering for Christy. He did an abortion on my wife,
Speaker 2: and I was that's what I did. But this honestly
Speaker 2: makes no sense. And of course they found him guilty.
Speaker 2: Like he confess he left town like it is really tough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So then the truth wasn't covered. Three years later, Christy
Speaker 2: ended up moving out of the apartment and the new
Speaker 2: tenants found the bodies of three women that were hidden
Speaker 2: and papered over recess in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And it was Kathleen Maloney, Rita Nelson, and Hectorina McLennon.
Speaker 2: And then they uncovered more bodies. They found the body
Speaker 2: of his wife Ethel and she was buried under the
Speaker 2: floorboards of the front room. And then they found a
Speaker 2: nurse named Ruth First and also a former colleague of
Speaker 2: his name Muriel Eddie, and they were in very shallow
Speaker 2: graves in the yard and they were all strangled and
Speaker 2: tied up just the same way as Geraldine and Beryl
Speaker 2: and that's another thing, like you would probably grab your child.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, bury that, but where's my kid? Or
Speaker 2: let me say by to my kid or like you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like yeah. So he was finally
Speaker 2: tracked down and arrested in West London in March nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty three, and during the questioning he did confess to
Speaker 2: killing Baryl Evans, though he never admitted to killing Geraldine,
Speaker 2: and then he was found guilty of murdering his wife
Speaker 2: and was also hung in July nineteen fifty three by
Speaker 2: Albert Pierpoint, who was also the same man who executed
Speaker 2: Evans Jesus in nineteen sixty eight. The Home Secretary at
Speaker 2: the time, Roy Jenkins, recommended a royal pardon, which was
Speaker 2: accepted and evans remains were exhumed from the prison cemetery
Speaker 2: and buried in Saint Patrick's Cemetery in leyton Stone, East London.
Speaker 3: So kind of a so fucking sad.
Speaker 2: So if you remember a few weeks ago in the intro,
Speaker 2: I mentioned that I was doing research at the back
Speaker 2: of a bar at a show and it made me sad.
Speaker 3: This was the case. After you hear about.
Speaker 1: Little Geraldine, You're like, Hi, how's everybody doing to night,
Speaker 1: you guys having fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, So it's really sad and kind of complicated. And
Speaker 2: this man, like this Christie guy, was a fucking lunatic psychopath.
Speaker 4: Ugh.
Speaker 1: I mean I want to say, like, oh, if abortion
Speaker 1: had been legal, maybe this wouldn't have happened. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure this psycle would have gone after them in some way.
Speaker 1: He probably would have killed the whole family.
Speaker 2: It seems like he only killed women, okay, so as
Speaker 2: they do, okay. The next case is of Edwin Alonzo Boyd,
Speaker 2: and this dude was Canada's most notorious bank robber in
Speaker 2: the early nineteen forties and fifties. And whenever I think
Speaker 2: about bank robbers, I always think of John Mulaney's joke
Speaker 2: where he goes, yeah, you can like it within with bullets,
Speaker 2: like shoot your name into something you robbed, but if
Speaker 2: there's no evidence, you could just get away. And he
Speaker 2: does impressions of like nineteen twenties gangsters. Is I love
Speaker 2: it anyway? So this guy was a vagabond and a
Speaker 2: career criminal and he had his own gang called the
Speaker 2: Boyd Gang. Everything I read was like, he's so famous,
Speaker 2: he's so notorious, he's so famous, but all the articles
Speaker 2: I kept finding were just about the movie made about him,
Speaker 2: like not about him at all. But his daughter, Carolyn
Speaker 2: Boyd helped make this movie where Scott Speedman acted in it,
Speaker 2: and it's called Citizen Gangster. She was seven years old
Speaker 2: when her dad started robbing bakes and he is kind
Speaker 2: of iconic, a folk hero, a media sensation, and she
Speaker 2: kind of brought the more. You know, it was also splashy,
Speaker 2: all the news of all these wild bank robberies, but
Speaker 2: she brought like the heart and the drama, like within
Speaker 2: the Home, you know, kind of paget vibes.
Speaker 3: But you know it's a movie. So have you heard
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So this guy he was born April second, nineteen fourteen
Speaker 2: in Toronto, but he hated school and he loved a
Speaker 2: swindle and hustle money from a very young age, like
Speaker 2: he found his calling. He didn't make it to high school.
Speaker 2: He didn't like following rules, even though he was the
Speaker 2: son of a cop. Hello and his father went away
Speaker 2: to during World War One fight and like so then
Speaker 2: Edwin was born, his dad left World War One, and
Speaker 2: then when the dad came back, he was like a
Speaker 2: different dude. He was just the stern religious psycho and
Speaker 2: Edwin just loved breaking rules and but like he also
Speaker 2: loved attention, and being a CoP's son doing all this
Speaker 2: was all the attention he was craving. And so once
Speaker 2: his mother died when he was fifteen, he dropped out
Speaker 2: of school and pieced out. So by nineteen thirty he
Speaker 2: was a drifter out west, riding the rails, surviving the
Speaker 2: Depression by conning women. And I know plenty of men
Speaker 2: like this, and it's not the depression. And yeah, odd jobs,
Speaker 2: petty theft, and you know, just lying to women and
Speaker 2: not leaving their house. So at twenty two he robbed
Speaker 2: a gas station and then spent two and a half
Speaker 2: years in prison for that. And then he did join
Speaker 2: the Royal Canadian Regiment during World War Two and that's
Speaker 2: where he met his wife while he was out and about.
Speaker 2: So this happened a lot, I guess in quotes, hoboes
Speaker 2: became heroes.
Speaker 1: Jaron's obsessed with this movie called a Hoboes Christmas that
Speaker 1: we caught on TV one time when he was at
Speaker 1: my house, and it was truly wild stick and bindle.
Speaker 1: This basically this guy's whole story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all these hoboes went away and came back
Speaker 2: war heroes with like you know, got some wives, so.
Speaker 3: You know, all good news.
Speaker 2: And this daughter, Carolyn says that he like, he loved
Speaker 2: the kids, he loved you know, her mom, and.
Speaker 3: That he was a good family man.
Speaker 2: But he married a woman named Doreen Thompson and they
Speaker 2: had three kids with her, two twins and then one
Speaker 2: bonus kid. And he took a job driving a street car,
Speaker 2: but he was bored he went back to crime.
Speaker 3: So the Waterloo Region.
Speaker 2: Record, that is the paper I was reading from, said
Speaker 2: that he became known for his verve he displayed during
Speaker 2: his bank robberies. So in today's terms, riz okay what
Speaker 2: lotter is. During his crimes, he would leap on bank
Speaker 2: counters and he was hot, so everyone was really into
Speaker 2: the way he looked. He pulled off a string of
Speaker 2: armed robberies in Toronto. And the first one so it
Speaker 2: started with a heist at a Bank of Montreal branch
Speaker 2: on September ninth, nineteen forty nine. Then July fourth, nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty he and end quotes, a heavier set partner end
Speaker 2: quote decided to rob Dominion Bank with a green convertible
Speaker 2: that they had stolen earlier. And he is smart, so like,
Speaker 2: you know, they grew out their facial hair for this robbery.
Speaker 2: He did use a gun that he stole off a
Speaker 2: dead soldier in France during the Second World War.
Speaker 3: They did a little razzle dazzle.
Speaker 2: They robbed the bank in less than two minutes, and
Speaker 2: then they ran into this idling convertible, sped away before
Speaker 2: dumping the car in a swamp, and then they just
Speaker 2: walked over to his truck. So like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Cameras ruined everything. That's like the Malani joke, like you
Speaker 2: really got to commit any crimes. And then I think
Speaker 2: it goes into his like seamen Svu joke. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I love the pusage. But he was annoyed because he
Speaker 2: got this partner thinking, oh, we'll do double the thing.
Speaker 2: But this guy was just like he was actually just annoyed.
Speaker 2: He had a split money with this loser. Like that
Speaker 2: was kind of the vibe. He's like, I thought I
Speaker 2: needed a partner, but I don't need this guy. But
Speaker 2: between September nineteen forty nine to October nineteen fifty one,
Speaker 2: Boyd completed six different bank heists, sometimes alone, sometimes with
Speaker 2: a partner. He was caught by a bank teller from
Speaker 2: one of the robberies who brought his ass down as
Speaker 2: a main witness.
Speaker 3: And she was smart.
Speaker 2: Her name is June Catania, and I wonder if she's,
Speaker 2: you know, related to Frank, related to Dolo. The gun
Speaker 2: was held at her fucking chest and she lived to
Speaker 2: retail those terrifying moments in cour and she, like I said,
Speaker 2: star witness, and she recognized their voices. She also penciled
Speaker 2: numbers on the money that day and was able to
Speaker 2: identify several bills in their possession with the markings she'd made.
Speaker 2: The physical evidence and her testimony is what linked him
Speaker 2: directly to the crime. And in the fall of nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty one, he was caught and thrown into the dreaded
Speaker 2: Dawn jail like no toilets, dreaded a bucket in the corridor.
Speaker 3: Type of jail.
Speaker 2: But guess what, my favorite he had two prison breaks, babys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so basically from this from this like whoa jail And
Speaker 2: it left authorities so embarrassed and the citizens were pissed,
Speaker 2: but they loved it. They were like enthralled by his audacity.
Speaker 2: But they were like, can the call, like, what's going
Speaker 2: on here? So and the by coincidence, the CBC in
Speaker 2: Toronto began regular television programming the night of this jail break,
Speaker 2: so it became a sensation. Allegedly there's like barely any
Speaker 2: actual articles, okay, so then unprecedented in skill. But there's
Speaker 2: a lot of books and movies and TV episodes, so
Speaker 2: if you want to know more, there's a lot out there.
Speaker 2: Unprecedented in scale of the search like that. It was
Speaker 2: a twenty six thousand dollars reward. Cops were everywhere swarming
Speaker 2: the city with maps and traps and whatever or man traps.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, I said, maps, okay, man traps okay.
Speaker 2: So the mayor at the time, Alan Lamport, said the
Speaker 2: most shameful thing that has occurred in the city to
Speaker 2: the Toronto Daily Star, and it's like, oh, your mayor
Speaker 2: is going to smoke crack soon.
Speaker 3: Like you guys don't even know what you've seen.
Speaker 2: You're embarrassed now, honey, there is so much so and
Speaker 2: Drake being humiliated lately.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, in the jail, he teamed up with some cell
Speaker 2: mates Willie and Lenny Jackson and they smuggle a hack
Speaker 2: saw blade what how and they sawed through some window bars.
Speaker 1: Maybe they had a bron win, maybe they had some
Speaker 1: guard that was on their side, who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they escaped.
Speaker 2: November fourth, nineteen fifty one, the crew connected with Val
Speaker 2: Lesso aka Steve SuChin. Who was They talk about him
Speaker 2: like I would know these people, but it is my job.
Speaker 2: But they're like, so, yeah, they connected with Val, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, who is Val? Okay so, and they began
Speaker 2: robbing banks again. Two weeks after the jail break, the
Speaker 2: bandits hit the Bank of Toronto for forty three hundred
Speaker 2: dollars and then November thirtieth, nineteen fifty one, they got
Speaker 2: more than forty six grand from the Royal Bank of
Speaker 2: Canada in the Lee Side and.
Speaker 3: Then the biggest bank.
Speaker 2: That was the biggest bank hold up in the history
Speaker 2: of Toronto, according to the Toronto Daily Star. And the
Speaker 2: Star is who coined the name the Boyd Gang, and
Speaker 2: it stuck and even though Lenny felt like he was
Speaker 2: the true leader, so he was kind of pissed. And
Speaker 2: then March sixth, nineteen fifty two, Lenny and SuChin shot
Speaker 2: sergeant of detectives ed Mintong and his partner, Detective Sergeant
Speaker 2: Roy Perry, for their car like and then their car
Speaker 2: was pulled over and they shot these two cops.
Speaker 3: So that made the cops pissed obviously, and.
Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna swear we're gonna catch these boyd boys,
Speaker 2: and they arrested his ass while he was asleep in
Speaker 2: bed with his wife.
Speaker 3: But they made a huge mistake.
Speaker 2: They kept all the men together in the Number nine hospital,
Speaker 2: which was a medical ward turned into a cell block
Speaker 2: at this down jail, and the police was like, we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, it'll be easier to monitor all these men
Speaker 2: if they're all in the same place.
Speaker 3: So it's Oz style.
Speaker 2: They would mingle all day in the daytime and then
Speaker 2: they were locked in their cells at night. But there
Speaker 2: was a ceiling microphone and that allowed the cops to
Speaker 2: eavesdrop on everyone. But all these guys realized nobody patrolled
Speaker 2: the area between five and seven am, and they're like, great,
Speaker 2: let's get a fucking saw.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. So it's like cartoon goofy.
Speaker 2: So while Willie Jackson was known as the goof, he
Speaker 2: grabbed the cell door key that hung on a guard's belt,
Speaker 2: but the guard was just like, Aha, we're all just
Speaker 2: fooling around. Willy's so funny and thought nothing of it.
Speaker 2: But Willy ended up making an outline of the key
Speaker 2: and carved a key out of steel.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Break, this sounds like a full cartoon. This sounds like
Speaker 1: Looney Tunes.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2: So then with the key in hand, the men unlocked
Speaker 2: their cell doors and saw it out again. It did
Speaker 2: take a month to cut through, but they did it,
Speaker 2: and a pillow was placed over the screen that housed
Speaker 2: the ceiling mic to cover the sawing noises, and so
Speaker 2: they were caught after complaints of homeless people living in
Speaker 2: an abandoned barn were reported. But by this time they
Speaker 2: had fans and stuff. Teenage girls were screaming clapping. They
Speaker 2: would be like we want BOYD. They would scream, okay,
Speaker 2: So back to the John jail they go. But now
Speaker 2: they were kept on round the clock supervision, obviously, and
Speaker 2: then they put in stronger bars. He received a life
Speaker 2: sentence but actually ended up being paroled in nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 2: but then eventually went back to jail for breaking parole
Speaker 2: and served more time and then was finally out in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six and headed west and got a job
Speaker 2: driving a van. He ended up dying in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two at the age of eighty eight of pneumonia
Speaker 2: in British Columbia. But his two partners that ended up
Speaker 2: like shooting and killing the cops or whatever in the shootout.
Speaker 3: They were hung in the gallows in nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 2: But again he had so much riz and so much
Speaker 2: public fascination, so that led authorities to force him to
Speaker 2: assume a new identity and to live the remainder of
Speaker 2: his life from far from Toronto in British Columbia.
Speaker 3: So that's what they did. That's why he ended up there.
Speaker 2: They're like, you need a new name, you need a
Speaker 2: new identity, Get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: You're too popular. He said.
Speaker 2: His biggest regret was losing his family and all of
Speaker 2: this he did, of course, remarry because why not.
Speaker 3: You know, later in life he.
Speaker 2: Did confess, I did a few things that could have
Speaker 2: got me hung. So that's like a little Brian Dennie vibe.
Speaker 2: If you want to read more, there is a book
Speaker 2: by Brian Valley v. A. L. L. Ee, and it's
Speaker 2: called Edwin Alonzo Boyd the story of a notorious Boyd gang.
Speaker 2: So if you want to read that, and you know,
Speaker 2: and with all that charm and attention, the director of
Speaker 2: that Scott Speedman movie, Nathan Morlando said, you know, but
Speaker 2: how much courage and charm does it take to put
Speaker 2: a gun in a female bank teller's face? Our city
Speaker 2: was terrorized by a ruthless gang, you know, let's not
Speaker 2: forget all that. And even from the grave though, this
Speaker 2: man is still fooling and conning around with his legacy.
Speaker 1: So damn damn wild Well, thanks for looking into those guys.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, no another another no, guests, we've had
Speaker 1: Paget on if you want to go back and listen
Speaker 1: to our interview with Paget Brewster. I think we asked
Speaker 1: her about this episode for sure, but let's just get
Speaker 1: into our post mortem.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I still don't like this episode, but I
Speaker 2: am thrilled that, you know, some people don't like it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like Paget, We love Paget, Brian Denny
Speaker 1: he is, you know, a legend slash John Wayne Casey
Speaker 1: in my mind forever.
Speaker 3: But the crimes were interesting too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel so sad for this man who
Speaker 1: happened to live next door to a serial killer who
Speaker 1: framed him for the murder of his own children.
Speaker 2: Jesus, this happens to me week after week where I
Speaker 2: start the postmortem talking about this beloved television show and
Speaker 2: then you hit me with the news of a crime
Speaker 2: that I had just talked about, and then you reminded me.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, fuck, that was the worst thing ever.
Speaker 2: Let the bodies hit the floor, but under the floorboards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bummer, bummer, bummer, yes, a real bummer.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Uh, please, don't ever run away, don't trust anyone,
Speaker 2: don't leave your child with a weird man. Also, let
Speaker 2: your kids go to school. Stop with this homeschooling trend,
Speaker 2: Like let your kids go to school and learn which
Speaker 2: kids weren't going to school? Just this man didn't have
Speaker 2: a great education and so he.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You want your kids to learn, and I'm for schools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Also, this this episode taught us that
Speaker 1: the NYPD has like just tons of time to sit
Speaker 1: with old people until they decide to give up their secrets.
Speaker 1: Benson was on round the clock nurse duty at this place,
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, here's a question about this episode. Do
Speaker 1: you think that after Paget Brewster sort of had the
Speaker 1: closure with her dad and and he died and she
Speaker 1: realized that kind of he did everything to sort of
Speaker 1: spare her like pain. Do you think she opened all
Speaker 1: those cards and took the cash because there was one
Speaker 1: hundred bucks in every card.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it gave him to a kid. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: probably put kid, put it in the cast for the kids,
Speaker 2: put it in a kid's savings account or something.
Speaker 3: The Bahamas put his ashes there. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: take a nice little trip, A.
Speaker 1: Nice little trip the Fedora Bandit's oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's move to what with Sister Peg.
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Speaker 2: And next week we will be doing the Lowdown, not
Speaker 2: the Lowdown Lowdown, Okay, we'll do the episode low down
Speaker 2: from season five, episode twenty. We've been waiting so long
Speaker 2: to do it, so I can't wait. And we have
Speaker 2: a guest next week. If that's what you're into, so
Speaker 2: see you. Then that's messed up as an exactly right production.
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