WEBVTT - Buffaloed with Shelli Nicole 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.920 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:12.360 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.400 start changing it with the beck Del cast. Hey, Jamie, 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.599 Hey Kitlin, ask me how much student debt I'm in? 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.400 How much student debt are you in? And how can 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:31.280 I liberate you from it? Well, I think I'm somewhere. 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.360 I honestly haven't checked in years because I obviously have 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.880 no intention of paying it. But I think I'm somewhere 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:44.000 around eighty or ninety thousand dollars in student loan debt 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:48.280 for the master's degree I got from Boston University in screenwriting, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.440 which I would never mention. I can't believe this is 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.760 coming up so early in the episode. This is never 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.720 It's like borderline aggressive. I love it. Yeah, well, God 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.880 bless thank you, thank you. Um. Well, look today I've 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.920 been sent here, I'm pivoted hard and now I'm a 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:10.240 debt collector and you just admit it to something pretty 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:19.479 serious On Mike Yes and Me. Officer Jermaine Fowler though, 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.200 the world's most ethically confusing person. I am going to 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.880 have sex with you and then send you to jail. Actually, 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.600 I was like, that does sound kind of sex hot, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.280 that is a kink of mind. So I wasn't because 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.440 there's been so much talk around I mean student that's 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:43.480 specifically recently because of the like ongoing failure to actually 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.560 relieve student debt, the way that people have been saying 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.240 that it was going to. I want to shout out 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.000 former guests in the show. Julia Claire, one of the 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.440 people closest to my heart. She had She had a 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.160 viral tweet recently, m yeah, where she said, watching banks 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.080 get bailed out for the second time in my adult 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.560 life while also paring to watch the Supreme Court tell 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.480 us that canceling a paltry ten k and student loan 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:08.079 debt per borrower is government overreach. And then there's a 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:13.799 picture of Scarlett Johanson and marriage story crying. It's a 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.760 banger of a tweet, and I just wanted to shout 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.760 I was thinking about that tweet this whole damn movie. 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:24.160 Love it well well, Shelley. Oh wait, we should say 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.200 what the show is. We should say what the show is. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.400 This is Hello, it's us, this is the Bechtel cast. 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:33.959 My name is Caitlin Dronte, and I have a voice 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.640 that sounds like this today. My name's Jamie Loftus, and 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.600 I have a voice that sounds like this today. Not 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:46.639 to brag. And this is the Bechtel Cast, our podcast 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:48.880 where we take a look at your favorite movies with 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:53.840 an intersectional feminist lens. Today, we have a movie that 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.480 came out in twenty nineteen called Buffaload. And you're never 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.520 gonna believe where this movie takes place. It is directed 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.320 by Tanya Wexler, written by Brian Socca. And this movie 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.600 is brought to us by a returning guest. That's so true. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:12.240 We don't need to say what the Bechtel test is. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.080 Not to say breeze right path. It's women's, honestly and women's. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.800 It's Women's History month, and I feel like we don't 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.880 have to this month. We don't figure it out to 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:26.200 look it up table flip. My voice sounds like this 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.320 because I've just been screaming at men all months. Anyway. 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:34.560 I haven't been using my voice. I've just been stealing. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:41.280 Perfect next year, just steal and burn things. Yes, save 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:46.840 your voice, babe. Yes, we should be silent more than ever. 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.840 No more than ever just burned down their house like 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:56.400 banshees a ved sheering style. Okay, okay, that's my favorite 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:00.360 joke that I've ever come up with. That is really funny. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:07.920 I are not to be pro men, but that movie rips. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.560 I loved that damn movie. I was laughing. I was crying. 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.640 Jenny the Donkey, Are you kidding? Feminist icon Jenny the Donkey. 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.000 Everyone in that movie rocks. Colin Farrell being like mister 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:22.320 Derp is so cute. He's like, would why not you 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:28.159 be my friend? I loved it. That's great. Okay, we 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:32.680 were about to introduce our guest. Yeah, it's always going 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.960 to be chaos when this guest is here. I feel 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:40.640 like she's a culture writer and critic. You've seen her 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:45.360 work on Architectural Digest, Vogue, Autostraddle, and you know her 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:50.200 from our episode on Empire Records. It's Shelley Nicole aka 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:55.480 the Return of Shreky Shrecky Too. I was like, are 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.840 we not gonna say Shreky because I will close this 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:04.040 zoom so fast. Also, I'm very happy that it's chaotic 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.200 when I'm on all the time. It makes me so happy. 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.839 I love it. It's so fun. We're so excited to 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.040 have you back. Truly, it's so hard not to talk 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:18.719 throughout that part, especially when it's like not to be 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:23.000 on the side of men. But I have this, well, 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.120 the floor is yours. If you have anything you want 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.400 to say in response to what we've said, like three 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.240 minutes ago, No, just the path that I don't want 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:33.760 to be on the side of men, and I just 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.960 thought that that was funny and that, I mean, we'll 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.440 probably get into it because I was going to talk 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.560 about my student loan that too, but yeah, mine's like 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.960 not that much. But yeah, I'm excited. I want to 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.680 talk about money and buffalo and ill fitting suits and 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:56.240 bad hair color. I'm so excited. There's so much. This 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:59.520 movie is truly a buffet of things to talk about. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.680 It's a lot, and it isn't a lot. It was 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.960 a little stressful to watch, thinking of like various debts 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:10.120 that I have, just like there is a low, humming 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:14.200 anxiety to watching this movie where I paid off my 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:20.360 student debt. But they're sarious. Well, I went to school 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.960 on a scholarship and only went to school once, but 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.080 it was I'm very, very lucky that I paid off 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.200 my student debt. I took forever. It took over. I 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.080 think it took ten eleven year or something like that. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.000 But but I have a ton of hospital bills I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.360 have not paid off, and I hear about them all 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:42.640 the time. Well, yeah, I'm not going to do it, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.240 and we but like, I'm not going to do it. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.080 But I get you know, every there was a hospital 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:52.240 bill I have from New York like five years ago 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.120 where I didn't I went to the er and they 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.160 were like, you're having a panic attack. Go home, And 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.480 there's still like, but that will be five thousand dollars, Like, no, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.000 it won't be. It will not be, or it will be, 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.240 but I'm not giving it to you. I'm not the 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:11.840 best of luck to you and getting that absolute horsh Anyways, Um, 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.520 it's always fun to talk about various debts. Okay, so 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.840 the movie is buffaloed. Yeah, Shelley, what is your history 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.920 with this movie? I mean it came out pretty recently. Yeah, 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:25.720 I came out super recently. I um, because what was 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.239 it came out in twenty nineteen. Yeah. I didn't discover 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:35.160 it until the first Lockdown because I was just watching everything. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.239 I was watching everything. If you hear someone in the background. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:43.000 My partner is watching a basketball game right now. But 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.280 I discovered it like through it first part of Lockdown 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.720 because I was literally watching anything and everything I could 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.280 get my hands on because I had ran through all 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.280 of my rewatches, like my New Girl Rewatches the Office 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.840 and all that stuff. And then I fell in love 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.960 with Zoe Dutch. Like I started watching stuff with her 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:09.240 and I was like, who is she? She's funny, I 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.160 don't know. I think she's a really really, really really 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:15.040 good actress. She's one of my favorite like white woman actresses, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.800 which of which I have like a few, But so 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.920 I started watching it because of her, and then I 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:25.600 fell in love with it because she's hustling, Like it's 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:31.000 about money, it's about debt, it's about scamming a little bit, 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.400 and it's all from a girl's perspective, which I thought 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.880 was really cool. And I mean, I didn't grow up poor. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.079 Grew up like maybe lower middle class and Detroit. Both 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.160 of my parents are. My dad like worked death a 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:47.280 factory and my mom worked in an office. But I 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:51.480 learned about debt before I learned about earning, you know, 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:56.720 And I learned about hustling before I learned about nine 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.320 to five's, which is in all honesty probably why I'm 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.559 so success were like freelancing and why it doesn't like 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.240 like if you owe me money for my I'm going 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.200 to email you seventy three times at net sixty one. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:15.040 I'm gonna be like, hello me again, there's money, me again, 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.000 the return of Shrek thing I wrote for me to 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.880 turn in on time, just Shreky seven because I've emailed 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.120 you fifty times. But yeah, I learned about debt before 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.800 I learned about earning. My parents didn't teach me like 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.199 a lot about money, but they taught me a lot 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.240 about debt, and I saw my parents paying stuff off 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.280 and all that kind of stuff. So I think I 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.720 just connected with this movie through that. Um Because I 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.520 might not know a lot about things like investing, and 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.559 I was gonna say, like NFTs and all that kind 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.120 of stuff, I know a ton about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:53.520 I know that this is actually a finance podcast. That's 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.040 why I want to come on here, um finance bros. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.440 But I um, so, I might not know a lot 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.679 about that stuff, but I know about hustling. I'm always 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.679 going to make a work. I can always get, you 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.560 know what I mean, and this feels very similar to 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.800 the story in the film. And I just thought it 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.880 was dope, Like is it chaotic and is it kind 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.760 of breaking apart at a lot of things. Yeah, But 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.480 for the main part, I just thought it was a 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.959 really dope movie to talk about like debt collecting from 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.360 a girl's perspective, and from the inside it was just dope. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:29.199 So yeah, I do appreciate that it's a movie about 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.440 like hustling, slash doing shady shit to get money from 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.360 a woman's perspective, because there are so many movies about 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.120 that centering men, yea, all that Wolf of Wall Street 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.839 type shit and all that kind of stuff money, but 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:49.120 all of these movies about men scamming and getting money, 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.480 but it's never And also I liked that it was 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.680 from the point of view of her, like she was 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.320 trying to pay off student loans, like she wasn't trying 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.640 to like I guess in those other movies and other 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.440 films they're always trying to just like make a buck 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.640 to stay ahead and get on top. But she was 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.800 doing it because she was literally just trying to like 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.520 pay off her ship and then wanting to do you 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.319 know what I mean. So I just thought it was dope. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.200 I thought it was great. It's one of like the 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.640 dopest films that I was seen about, like Debt and 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.760 Debt Collecting, that is from a real something I could 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.719 connect with, like that kind of perspective. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.920 I had not heard of this movie until you brought 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:32.079 it to us, so my relationship with it is very brief. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:38.199 But yeah, I think it posits some interesting things for 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.679 us to discuss. I love that side to side to Babbo. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:48.040 It's like I have a lot to say, but not 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.000 right now, but I guess I'll just have to wait 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.160 and find out. I did. Like I mean, there's I've 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.320 not spent a ton of time in Buffalo, and I'd 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.520 be curious, like for people who are from Buffalo, like 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.480 how they felt their city was portrayed, because I always, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.880 I don't know, every time I see something that specific, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.560 I remember how like flamingly angry I get when I 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.960 feel Massachusetts has been misrepresented in television or filmed, and 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.840 so I am curious, especially in like a comedy. Usually 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.480 I feel like there were I don't know, Buffalo heads 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.920 sound off because they were talking so much about wings 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.679 and I'm like you know, there's a lot of wing talk. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:27.520 It's like if it's a movie about Boston and we're 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:32.160 only talking about beans. I didn't know that about Buffalo either, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.160 So I would like for someone to be like, is 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.800 it really that big of a because I didn't know that. 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.520 I didn't know the Buffalo was known for wings. I 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:51.320 did not know that Buffalofalo. I was like, wait, who's 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:56.880 gonna tell you? Oh my god, I don't know why 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.600 I didn't connect that to the city, but just the animal, 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.760 it's I mean, it's like a super I don't know. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.240 I like, did hotdog research in Buffalo, so I spent 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.920 That's why I've spent time there. Oh my god. They 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.959 keep referencing Anchor Bar, which is like, technically I think 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.720 the birthplace of Buffalo wings. Buffalo wings also invented by 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:24.479 a woman. Happy Women's History Month. Wow, Yes, yes, girl bosses, rejoice. 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.840 I'm learning so much about wings today. I hate that 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.000 I know so much. I love that you know so 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.480 much about that. Wow. Look at that Women's History Month. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.520 Everyone look at that truly. I mean, what can't we do? 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:47.080 While you were discovering that buffalo wings come from Buffalo, 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:52.720 I was googling the writer of the movie, Brian Socca, 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.320 who is from yes Lockport, New York. And then based 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:01.240 on a quick little Google Maps search, I discovered that 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.800 it appears to be a suburb of Buffalo. So so 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.080 the writer is he's a Buffalo head. He's a Buffalo head. Yeah, 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.000 but we let Matt Damon write movies about Boston, you know, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.840 so you're just not It's you can't just trust a 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.439 single I just want to know what the Buffalo heads 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:22.120 are saying. Sure, I've been. I've been to Anchor Bar, 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.960 I've gone to the source. You're just bragging so much, 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:30.040 Jamie on this episode. I'm sorry. Yeah, And I had 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.480 Buffalo one day and I tried to get jealous. I 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:35.960 was about to say that I've never been to Buffalo, 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:40.280 but then I am lying because I'm realizing how close 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.800 it is to Niagara Falls, where I have been. And 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.200 then I was like, all right, Oh, who's bragg great 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.680 uncle who lived in Buffalo, and I have been there. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.600 They've got good dogs. Shows you what I know? Well, 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.560 shut out Buffalo. I'm a Buffalo fan, fan, fan of 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:01.720 the buff I had not seen this movie before. I 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.000 have like a lot of mixed feelings about this movie 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.560 because I think you're like, I totally agree with you, Shelley, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.480 where it feels like this is like and I feel 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:13.000 like it's probably like intentionally done where it feels like 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:20.440 a working class female perspective take on the big short format, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.680 because there's a few different moments where she big shorts 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.480 and is like, here's how money works, and you're like, 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:32.240 she's big shorting, she's wolfing of Wall streeting. She is 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.600 definitely wolfing of Wall streeting. Yeah, she's wolfing out. And 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.320 I do like, yeah, like the how like the whole 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:43.040 framework of this movie is about how she becomes this 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.160 like huge hustler, kind of like super villainous character but 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:51.080 started by just trying to like get by, and there's 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.400 all this emphasis on how the system is set up 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.880 to fail her and the only way that she can 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.200 survive is by becoming a girl boss super villain. I 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.000 don't know. But then there's other stuff about this movie 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.840 that I was like, huh, but I'm really excited to 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.120 talk about it. I think it's I've never seen a 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.440 movie like it. And I also like, don't think that 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.880 there's like what you're you're saying, like there's not a 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.520 lot of movies that even attempts to have this discussion. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.200 And I'm really glad that this movie is like a 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.160 really clear agenda of like wanting to talk about it. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.960 And it felt like cathartic and cool to see stuff 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.280 like that addressed, because yeah, I grew up in like 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.320 a lower middle class family and I can't relate to 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.640 PEG's life directly. And I also didn't eat that many 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.080 wings and so it's kind like we were I was 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:41.880 too busy eating beans. But yeah, like the pressure to 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:43.440 like you have to figure out how to get by 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:47.200 in a system that's set up to ruin your life. Yeah, 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.840 I'm glad. I'm glad it's discussed. I'm glad that this 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.680 movie exists. Also, um, I did want to say the 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.920 other thing that brought me to this movie was Judy 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.400 Greer in the trailer, I was like, oh, for sure. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.000 Ever since Job Breaker, I've just been like I will 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.359 follow you anywhere. And also I am really sad to 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.280 talk about this, but Reboot being canceled really made me 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.280 pretty upset. I loved that shows. It was really good 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.200 and I don't think it got the fair chance. Yeah, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.639 it was really smart, it was really funny, really witty. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.720 But yeah, Judy also bought me to this movie. I 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.320 was like, yes, Like, what the fuck we still haven't 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:29.160 covered job Breaker show? And that's classic wilds. I don't 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:33.280 know how we even well, Shreky, come on back anytime, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.840 job Breaker the return of the Turn to talk about 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:42.440 job Breaker of all films, Oh listen, absolutely Clueless Gone wrong, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.000 just for clueless, Clueless gone bad. As I like to say, 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.240 let's do it, let's get it on the books. But 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.199 in the meantime, well, let's take a quick break and 0:17:54.240 --> 0:18:07.560 then let's come back and recap buffaloed and we're back back. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.119 I just keep cracking myself up. You're at how my 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:18.080 voice is cracking so much? Anyway, here's the plot of 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:25.280 Buffalo We open in media rez Okay, master's degree in 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.560 screenwriting coming up again. That's that's a five figure term. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:35.679 Baby yeah, um where peg Doll played by Zoe Dutch. 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.760 I think it's Deutsch? Is it Deutsch? Oh? Is it Deutsch? 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.160 I never I never know. I want to say Dutch, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.760 but I think it might be Deutsch. But whenever that happens, 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:47.840 I think I'm when I'm thinking it's like supposed to 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.000 be fancier. I always hear when they're just like, no, 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:55.439 it's it's just it's Dutch. It's just Dutch. It's just Dutch. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:56.920 I was like, oh, I would love for her to 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:02.199 yell at me. It's just Dutch. Like it's just like, 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:05.040 you know what, sure, no problem, it is okay fine. 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.040 Zoey Dutch or Deutsch is running through Buffalo, New York. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.600 She stops in front of a building. She fires a 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.760 gun into the air and screams, I'm gonna kill you, 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.119 you fucking jag Off. And we're like, oh my gosh, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.600 what's happening to get a gun? And it's like gold, Yeah, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.320 I love it. It's a lot, it's intense. It's a 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:32.479 good opening. Then we cut two peg as a child, 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.480 she's giving a presentation to her brother j J and 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.720 her mom played by a Judy Creer. Did either of 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.680 you ever do that when you were kids, like give 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.879 a presentation of like why I should be able to 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:49.440 sing slutely? Okay? Sam? A thousand percent? A thousand percent. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.399 I kind of wonder. I'm like, I feel like I 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.000 must have seen that convention happen on TV at some 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:59.800 point and been like, oh yeah, amazing idea, and like 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.120 why I should be able to stay over Samantha's house 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:08.239 this Week by Jamie Mine. I did it for I 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:14.160 Saw a Camp Nowhere, which another classic classic film, Saw 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.520 a Camp Nowhere on Repaint, rented it so many times, 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.200 and I was like, I'm going to fucking sleep away 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.600 camp and I'm going to do a presentation as to why. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:25.679 And that was what I did, like one of my 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.520 many presentations too, to my family. And I went to 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.840 camp that summer like it were. It was like for 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.040 the summer of eighth like after eighth grade, like right 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.480 before going into high school. And honestly, it changed my 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:43.240 life for the best. But yeah, I was like, if 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.280 I were a parent right now and a kid gave 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.600 me like took the time and I could do it, 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.919 I'd be like, yeah, I gotta hand it to you, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.880 Like look at this slip, at this damn power point. Yeah, 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.080 I'd been so proud of them, the effort that Mercedes bends. 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.760 You want it, Yeah, he got it. He got a kid. Well. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:12.199 Peg is pitching peg Ink, which is her company something Something. 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:16.280 She wants to invest money to grow a college fund 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.119 so that she can go to an Ivy League school, 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.159 and she wants a one thousand dollars loan from her mom, 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.520 but her mom says, I don't have that kind of money. 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.760 I'm already in a ton of debt myself. And then 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.359 she gets a call from a debt collector. But Peg 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.880 is hyper focused on making as much money as possible 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:44.080 to secure financial freedom for her future. So throughout her 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:50.920 youth she does various griffs. She's selling buffalo wings as 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:56.439 if she's at a lemonade stand, she's selling cigarettes to teenagers. 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:01.120 She starts selling counterfeit buffalo bills, tickets all to pay 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.560 for and this Ivy League education that she does get into. 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:11.200 She gets accepted into a prestigious school, but she realizes 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:13.960 that she probably won't be able to pay for it. 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.439 The scene where she gets into college, I thought was 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.280 so that was like one of my favorite moments in 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.760 the movie of like how well it handled the idea 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:29.320 of debt even like generationally, because like between our generation 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.200 and our parents generation that wherever, like I know we 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.040 all know this and so to our listeners, but like 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:38.240 the you know, the way that college educations were monetized 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:40.959 changed so significantly, and so it's like when I was 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:45.080 trying to go to college, like My parents also, similar 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:47.280 to the Judy Greer character, were like you got in. 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.639 That's awesome, you should go, and then like I couldn't 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:53.440 go to the school I wanted to go to because like, 0:22:53.600 --> 0:22:56.080 once we looked at it, it was like, oh, just kidding, 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.959 false alarm, this is impossible and you can't do it. 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.399 And Judie Grew's character's reaction where she's like, I don't know, 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.119 I don't know how this ship works, like you got in, 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.560 yeah you should go, and like it's like there's almost 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:12.320 so many people in our generation that experienced that and 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.760 then got completely fucked like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, the 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.200 same thing that happened to me, Like when I accepted 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.080 into the college that I originally wanted to go to. 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:24.960 But the thing is both my parents that are very 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.520 like different. My dad is very like, I mean, we'll 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.239 figure it out, and my mom is very like, um, 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.440 yeah we will, but still no, you can't go there. 0:23:36.040 --> 0:23:38.600 And so I had the same situation Like I got 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:41.200 accepted to this college. I was super excited, but then 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:46.080 the realization hit was like, oh, we cannot afford that. 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.240 And because my school, my high school, like didn't teach 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.320 us a lot about like scholarships and stuff. My dad 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.560 was like, yeah, you get a scholarship or grant. It 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.080 was too late to start doing all that, you know, 0:23:57.320 --> 0:24:01.159 So I ended up going to another their school that 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:07.119 still was like fucked me over, like yeah, like huge, 0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.040 and I was like, shit, I should have just went 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.280 to school I wanted to go to if I was 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.600 going to be fucked anyway. Yeah. So, and I think 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:19.280 you're right about that generational ship too, because my parents 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.440 didn't know half of the stuff that these people, these 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.760 loan officers and stuff were talking to them about, you 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.800 know what I mean. So of course they just wanted 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.199 me to be able to go to school, so we 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.320 signed so much shit, and like it is just I 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.560 think that was definitely the start of me being like 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:39.159 this is predatory and I need to like just I 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.760 would rather hustle my ass off and like pay for 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.720 quarter for quarter versus doing the ship that I ended 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.200 up doing. Yeah, it's so fresh, and it's like we 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.600 were lucky that we even got to do that, which 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.520 is ridiculous, like it Yeah, I remember, like the movie 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:58.240 doesn't go into this much detail on like student loans specifically, 0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.320 and it did make me want a movie about student 0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:05.320 loans specifically, because there was like I remember, like this 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.320 was like early twenty times, but like the huge there's 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:09.840 a huge confusion in my household about like what is 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.399 a federal loan and what is a private loan and 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.520 like what does that mean? And I think we were 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.760 sort of like confused into believing that a federal loan 0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:21.320 was like good and like they're not gonna give you shit, 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:24.640 which is not true at all. They all fucking suck 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.080 like private loans or maybe like worse, but federal loans 0:25:28.119 --> 0:25:31.000 are not working for you in any way, and like 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:33.879 the way that we I don't know, like, yeah, I 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:35.639 think like part of the reason I was able to 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:37.800 pay down my student debt was because, like you know, 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:39.560 I didn't go to the school I wanted to go to. 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.120 I went to the school that offered the most money. 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.439 And then on top of that, like because of the 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.320 way that like we fucked up the loans that we 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:48.720 chose and so I had to start paying it back 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:51.920 right away and worked full time through college because they 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:56.439 were like, well, you signed one thing one time, so sorry, 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.320 like go fuck yourself, like get a job, time to 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:02.840 start cool thing. Yeah, yeah, you're a freshman in college. 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:07.240 But anyway, you want us money already? Yeah, figure it out, bitch. 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.879 And it just like it drives me nuts because it's like, 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.560 you know, I'm I don't know the way people talk 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.520 about it, even people our age sometimes where it's like, yeah, 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:20.920 I'm like proud that I was able to make that 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.960 impossible situation work, but like I wouldn't wish that on anyone. 0:26:25.119 --> 0:26:28.640 And there's that's that's the other generational thing where people 0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.760 are like, well, I had to do it, so you 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.200 should have to. And it's like, no, I shouldn't want 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.199 to do that. I don't want anyone to have to 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:36.880 do I don't want anyone to have to do this, 0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:39.720 so I don't want Yeah, it's fucking terrible. It's terrible, 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:42.120 and there's so much to talk about, but I'll wait. 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:47.240 We're only ten minutes into the movie. But anyways, I 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.439 thought that scene was really well done. Yeah, I agree. 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:53.440 And then what happens next is she gets arrested for 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:57.400 selling the counterfeit tickets. She goes to court where her 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.359 lawyer gets in a fight with the judge while the 0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:07.440 prosecuting attorney, Graham played by Jermaine Fowler, just like watches 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:11.600 this unfold, and then Peg is thrown in jail and 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:16.439 starts hustling in jail selling go Gurt. I love it. 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:20.560 She really can't be stopped. She cannot be stopped. And 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.159 I'm telling you that. I'll get into it later. But 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:27.720 her hustle mentality is what makes me made me fall 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.120 in love because it's me. It's me. I'm like, oh, 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.320 I'm in this situation. Cool, So I'm going to figure 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.679 this out. This it's just always in me, and I 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.960 get it from my mom, like it's insane. I'm excited. Yeah, 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.560 because there are so many Wolf of Wall Street parallels 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:48.120 here where she just I do respect a character that's 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:54.159 like I refuse to improve. Okay, cool, I'm going to 0:27:54.240 --> 0:28:00.640 meet you where you are. Yeah, understood. One's proceeds. She's 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:05.040 selling Gogert in prison because she's still fifty thousand dollars 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.840 in debt from all of her legal fees. Also, debt 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:13.040 collectors are still after her mom, so she's just trying 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:17.560 to alleviate this debt. After around three years in prison, 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:23.440 she gets out PEG's brother, JJ, now played by Noah Reid, 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.320 who I think a lot of people would recognize from 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.240 Shit's Creek gives her a job at the bar that 0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:35.800 he bought, where Peg runs into Graham, that prosecutor or 0:28:35.880 --> 0:28:40.520 more like prosecute because he's trying to flirt with her. 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:46.720 I love Jermaine Fowlers so much. He's like saying the greatest. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:52.400 His character is so confusing to me. He's just all 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.240 over the place. It's not his fault, I don't Understand's 0:28:56.320 --> 0:28:59.680 the one thing that I did not dig because when 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:03.200 were I'm like trying to scam a system just a 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.480 little bit, and you're just like not going to go 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:10.000 to dinner with me? What? Well, it's like his whole day. 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:13.000 I just look like he is so like weirdly inconsistent, 0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.200 where it seemed like in every scene he discovered she 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.440 was a debt collector, and I was like, you know this, 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.440 like I just saw you learn this in the last scene, 0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.680 But up until like the end of the second act, 0:29:24.720 --> 0:29:29.520 he's like you do what. I was like, like, you 0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:36.640 know this man? She keeps telling you. Yeah, confusing, but 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:41.160 it's Deny. I think he recognizes her as the person 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.000 that he like put away, like put in jail three 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.920 years earlier. Yeah, but he's like, oh, let me buy 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.960 you dinner and she's like, um, you put me in 0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.120 jail by I don't want to hang out with you. 0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.760 I don't want to get wings with you, mister Powler. 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.160 I don't want to do this with you. And it's 0:29:58.160 --> 0:29:59.960 not like I don't believe that, you know, people who 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:03.000 work for the DA's office can get away with all 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.520 sorts of shit, like I'm sure that's true. But I 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.960 was just like, is you know what? How is this allowed? 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.200 They're like, I'm clear, I don't know. It's so confusing, 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:15.479 but you know, I love I love to see your 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.560 maid Fowler. I was like, cool. I thought they had 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.600 like fun chemistry too, but the relationship was like I 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:22.360 just don't understand. And then at the very end, he 0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:26.720 was like, well, guess what peg my grandfather like was it? 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.000 Which is like pulling from real life, you know, things 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.160 that happened in real life and are very tragic. He says, 0:30:31.200 --> 0:30:35.080 like my grandfather was completely fucked over by debt collection 0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.320 and then was on house and then passed away before 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.600 it was resolved. But I was like, but why are 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.000 you bringing this up now now? Like you could have 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.960 told me that so many times. Yeah, but now when 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.600 things are wrapping up like it sounds like her job 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.880 is a deal breaker for you. Why do you keep 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:58.920 showing up. He's also actively investigating the company that she works. Yeah, 0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.360 it's a won't work out. This is not for us, 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.920 and he acknowledges that. He's like, this is going to 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.320 be a conflict of interest. But they still have sex 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:12.000 so many times. Maybe the realism is that the DA's 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:17.800 office is unethical and incompetent. Sure, but I was confused 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.560 because it seems like we were supposed to be rooting 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.600 for him, and I was like, but he's doing such 0:31:21.600 --> 0:31:25.400 a bad job. He's bad. And then and then at 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:27.240 the end, like I don't know, and she's like, I 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.160 think he my boyfriend. I was like, all right, whatever, 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.560 you guys are you guys deserve each other. What are 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:37.760 you talking about? Well, then Peg gets a call from 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.680 a debt collector the screenwriter of the movie too he 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:44.480 plays sound Oh that's him. Oh gay? Yeah okay. So 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.960 after talking to him for a little bit and realizing 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.760 that he works in Buffalo, she realizes she can get 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:54.440 a job as a debt collector. Because another thing that 0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:58.120 is examined in this movie is that because now she 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.720 like had served time, I'm in prison. She's very limited 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:07.160 in the jobs that she can apply for it and get. 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.800 But she's like, well, debt collecting is something I can 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.000 still do. She is like, this woman is a fucking bull. 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.640 Like if you tell her to know and then she's like, 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.200 I'm good, She's like, I'll do something fucked up. I 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.800 don't care like i'd like. So she gets a job 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.840 working for this guy named whiz Ji Courtney of I 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:33.760 Frankenstein Fame. Okay, we were talking about this before the 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:42.880 banging down the zoom door. Um, yeah, Ji Courtney. Let's 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:44.840 talk about Ji Courtney really quick, because here's the thing 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.320 about Jike Courtney. He was in I Frankenstein and we 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.880 hear at the Battle Castle Love I Frankenstein Ji Courtney 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.880 and I Frankenstein. He plays. Look, the man's got range. 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.880 First of all, he's Australian. Oh, you wouldn't know it. 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.400 In this one. He's secretly asked you do kind of 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.680 you can kind of tell and I Frankenstein. But that's 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:08.480 growth and we appreciate that from Dry Courtney because Sam 0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:10.920 Worthington is in some of the most highest grossing movies 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:12.560 in the world and he still can't hide the fact 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:15.560 that he's Australian. What was that? What was that like 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.000 line from Avatar where he's like he's like playing a 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:23.440 US marine and he's like when you hit wool, You're like, 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.280 oh my god. Come on. Nobody thought to be like, 0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:33.160 let's try that again. Can we get another take? Anyway? Yeah? 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:37.240 One more Sam, Sam, You're supposed to be from Michigan. 0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:42.080 James Cameron was just too focused on something else on 0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:45.840 set that day. This is and I we don't like 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.480 this word and the way that it's used in this context. 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.240 But the best example of that in Avatar is when 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:57.239 Sam Worthington's like at battle it's insane and you're like, 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:01.640 oh my god. Any Jai Courtney doesn't have that problem. 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:05.040 He plays mister Good and I Frankenstein. He plays an 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:13.960 angelic Gargoyle farrior who dies for Gargoyle recasts. Yeah. Yes, 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.040 And this one, he's Patriarchy, the guy one of our 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.479 favorite trophs, mister Patriarchy, and he's really making a meal 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:27.080 of it. He's just like growling. The dire movie. I 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:31.160 didn't love. The character was baffling to me, but I 0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:34.719 loved the Jai Courtney performance. He was really he was 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:38.200 really going for it, mister patriarchy. Yeah, yeah, he was 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.680 giving it a one hundred and ten percent and speaking 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:47.520 of numbers, yeah yeah, that was good. That was good. 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.200 Thank you amazing. I have a master's degree. I would 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:56.080 never mention it. We learned how debt collecting works once 0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.800 she gets this job working for Wiz, where bank sell 0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:06.600 debt to like debt agents or debt brokers. I don't 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:10.720 know what you'd call them, but they're selling. They're selling 0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:15.560 people's debt for pennies on the dollar pennies. Right. Then, 0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:21.160 debt collectors try to bargain with the debtors to settle 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.240 their debt, knowing that they can kind of negotiate because 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.680 their debt is actually worth far less now that they've 0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.120 like bought it for pennies on the dollar. But they're like, oh, like, 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.160 we'll bring your fifty thousand dollars debt down to ten 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:40.200 thousand dollars. Little does the debt or note that settling 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.520 their debt for ten thousand dollars is now profitable for 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:48.520 the debt collectors, and all of this is barely regulated 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:54.320 by the government. Right so Peg makes a deal with 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:58.480 Whiz that if she can become the top collector at 0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:03.200 this agency. In one month, he will erase her debt 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.719 and she does it. She again has a knack for hustling. 0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:12.520 She has a knack for debt collecting. Yeah, it's a 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:15.400 it's a hell of a montage, it is. It's just 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.000 a lot of like the Zoe Deutsch reactions and writing 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:22.960 on a chalk board or or white board. Right, She's 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.759 just so Another reason why I kind of love her, 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.799 especially in these montages of this is this montage of 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:33.320 this part. It shows how slovenly she is, Like, she's 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:38.280 just not she doesn't care. Her goal in this movie 0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:40.399 is not to like she's not trying to be this 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.640 pretty girl. She's in fact, when she tries to be 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:48.200 this girl that's like classic feminine, it goes bad for her. 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.920 But I love how whenever she's at the board she's 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.880 like eating, she's wearing baggy clothes. She's just her goal 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.960 is to make money and get her debt erase, and 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.800 I love that. In this montage it's just so dope. 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.640 She's like, I'm gonna make money and I'm gonna look 0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:07.680 like shit while I do I do, I like I 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:09.800 did you. I had that same note Shelley where it 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.000 is like, oh heard cloth, like because we're told. I 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.680 feel like that happens in movies a lot that are 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:19.480 about like if you're talking about a person that not 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.200 even is like living below the poverty line, but it's 0:37:22.239 --> 0:37:25.440 just like not upper middle class or above. Yeah, if 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:30.600 they're either like cartoonishly styled to be like slovenly and 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.200 filthy and gross, or they're like just wearing rich people 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:36.799 clothes in a way that makes no sense. And it's 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.439 like we see people in this movie wear the same 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.960 outfit twice. We see people have stains on their clothes 0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:46.280 after eating messy food. Just like shit, that is so basic. 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.200 But when you see it happen, you're like, oh, that 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.840 never happens. It really never happens, especially the wearing the 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.719 clothes twice. I love when it happens in shows. I 0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.239 love when it happens in movies, and this too. I 0:37:58.280 --> 0:38:01.120 mean it's just like I don't know, a film student 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.640 trying to like reach a little bit, but I think 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.319 it just showed how much she doesn't care, Like she 0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.360 just is trying. She has a goal. Her goal is 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.520 the money. Her goal is not femininity. It's not like 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:17.439 classiness or anything. Like that she's trying to pay her 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:21.240 debt and she's not spending money on other stuff. She's 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.240 not trying to do any of that, and it plays 0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:26.200 back into how she is as a person, just like 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.520 the dudes doing all those fucking movies where they're trying 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:32.879 to like make it and oh god, this montage part 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.120 just really made me happy. Also, going back to the 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:40.000 explaining the debt, it was wild because I knew that shit. 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.560 And the only reason I knew that was because of 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:45.239 my mom. My mom, because when I messed up in 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:47.440 my twenties a little bit, you know, you get a 0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.719 credit card the mail, You're like free money, Well, I 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.200 don't mind if I do. Hello, I'll take three if 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:58.520 you have it. But then like I have to eventually 0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.719 tell my parents. It's like, hey, I am in a 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.000 little bit debt, and I'm nervous. I was calling crying 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.400 because these like debt people were calling me. I was 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.759 like twenty four and they were calling me and they 0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:10.040 were telling me all this stuff, which was basically these 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:14.200 guys Saal and his crew essentially just calling me. And 0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:16.840 then my mom would laugh at me. She would be like, 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.920 they offered you what, And I would be like, yeah, 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:21.960 and I paid it. She said, don't you ever to 0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:25.840 call right now and cancel that payment plan, because no, 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:27.960 and just be like this is what I'm going to 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:31.240 give you, and I want to let her I want 0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:35.160 And it works. It blew my mind. It worked, and 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.879 I just I just thought that that scene was dope. Yeah, 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.000 when she big short, it was great. It was great 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:44.279 that big short scene there. I knew some not all 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.760 of that, like some of the history of like how 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.399 debt can be sold and sold and sold I knew 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.680 much less about and it's good, Like this is like 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.080 a I don't know, I really appreciate what they're trying 0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.919 to do because it's like, I don't know, like it's 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.720 fun to see this it in such a like goofy 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.280 format and in a way that isn't like tragedy porn 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.560 or bashing you over in the head like it's I 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.719 don't feels like a spoonful of sugar kind of like 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.480 approach to talking about this in a way that I 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.799 much prefer to, like watching people drowning. You're like, I 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.200 could just do that. I can look in the mirror 0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.960 if my life like I don't need That's why I 0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.520 love romps. It's true. I mean this is a romp. Yeah. Okay, 0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.879 So she's discovering that she has a real knack for 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:36.440 debt collecting, but she also discovers some unsavory things they do, 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:41.440 such as exploiting elderly people like this woman, missus Cooney, 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:46.840 by collecting on debt that has already been settled multiple times. 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.920 So they're just like bleeding her drive for every penny 0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:54.040 she's got because they're because she like didn't remember that 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.560 she had paid that debt. So they're exploiting situations like 0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:02.440 that often, and Peg is fully dissipating. Yes at first. Yeah. 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:07.839 Then Peg runs into Graham the prosecutor again, who tells 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.000 her he's investigating Whiz and his team of collectors and 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.399 that Graham can't take her on a date if she's 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:19.080 working with these guys and being complicit in their horrible tactics. 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.879 And then this is sort of like a turning point 0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:26.440 where she realizes how awful they are, so Peg decides 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.879 to strike out on her own and start her own 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:33.759 debt collecting business. I do think it's worth mentioning that 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.240 she like part of what I did like about PEG's character, 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.200 even though I was not rooting for her. The entire 0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:46.440 movie honestly was that, Like, she is a very morally 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:50.200 ambiguous character for lots of sections, because it's not like 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:55.600 she realizes that like Whiz is unethical and then quits 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.160 the job. She knows he's unethical, and she's wholeheartedly participating. 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:01.040 It's when she does and get the cut up when 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:04.359 it affects her bottom line. That's when it's not when 0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:06.920 it's fucking with other people, Like she knows it's fucking 0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:10.200 with other people and doesn't care until she I think that, 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:13.680 Like she collected one hundred twenty five thousand dollars and 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:17.640 he would only give her two thousand, so she was like, well, 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:19.920 I'm out of here and I'll like go find a 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.560 better deal somewhere else. So she is like at the 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.640 end of the day, she's like about her bottom line exactly, 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:28.719 which I also really dig too though, because I think 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.120 if I would not have loved this movie so much 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.040 if at that point, like when realized she was like 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.640 scamming this old lady, if she had had this moral 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.279 high ground and was like, oh, I'm not going to 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.120 do this anymore. I'm not going to participate in this 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.239 because that's not what happens to dudes in movies, Like 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.480 they very much so know when they're doing something wrong 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.600 and they do the same thing that she does. Peg 0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:53.160 is like, I know that y'all are doing something wrong, 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:56.799 but now it affects me, so now I'm gonna go 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.759 do it because I want my money, Like this is 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.160 a out me. And I think if they had made 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.600 her into this like very holier than the character, it 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.719 wouldn't have been very realistic. First of all, because it 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:10.360 doesn't take a lot. She's smart. She knows that it 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.680 doesn't take a lot for her to set up this business. 0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.080 So I really I'm really glad that they just made 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.840 her go out on her own versus trying to be 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:22.000 a good person and sticking it out or something like. No, right, 0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.200 she built it right because in the movie just would 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:26.680 have been over, it would have been also done. Yeah, 0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:32.120 it warn my lesson, And like you said, like audiences 0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:36.279 tend to permit a morally ambiguous character who is a 0:43:36.400 --> 0:43:41.120 man far more than there's an expectation that women have 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.880 to be so well behaved and we can't do the 0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:49.920 illegal thing. Yeah right, And it's like no, Peg was like, actually, 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:51.759 I can do illegal things, and I'm going to do 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.279 it really really well, and then I'm gonna get a 0:43:54.320 --> 0:44:00.360 goold gun. So though at first, when she does strike 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.080 out on her own, she insists that her business is 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:07.440 going to be legitimate with no shady stuff like clean. 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:11.799 She's gonna, you know, everything's gonna be above board. So 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:16.959 she starts buying the debts from Whizzes supplier who's also 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:21.319 Whizzes brother. Also she has are There is a like 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:25.440 random like mister sweetey Pie brother that comes out to 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.799 the story at random points, so Judy Greer can be like, 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:33.040 I love you and don't be a bad influence on 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.560 your brother, which I also thought was cool. I mean, 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:38.360 this movie is doing a lot of like table attorney stuff, 0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:40.760 but in a way that I kind of I guess 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.359 approved of or whatever. But I like the fact that 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:48.759 her whole life she's been a bad influence on her. Like, 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.560 it made me so happy that she was the one 0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.400 who was like, and he's older, I think too. Yeah, 0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:57.879 I love the fact that that she was like, you're 0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:00.799 gonna do what I say. This is bad, but we're 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.160 gonna do it together. And I loved it. I loved it. Yeah, 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.600 I'm excited to talk about the Judy Greer character too, 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.800 because I think there's like a lot of interesting stuff 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:13.279 going on with her and PEG's relationship, where like both 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.000 of them are super in the wrong in different moments, 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:19.359 but it's like, ooh, interesting relationship. I'm excited to talk 0:45:19.360 --> 0:45:22.920 about it for sure. Okay. So Peg is setting up 0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:26.799 her business. She hires mostly like random people who she 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:32.040 like sees potential in as collectors, along with some women 0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:37.920 she knew from prison, such as Starla and Backer. PEG's 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:42.360 business starts booming. Everyone is good at their job. Also, 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.040 Peg and Graham are like kind of seeing each other 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:52.720 slash sleeping together now, but you're like, yeah, I guess okay, 0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:55.480 but he keeps saying like I don't want to date 0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.960 you if if you're still a debt collector because of 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.600 this investigation was doing. I just want to do two 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:08.120 quick shout outs for like the character actors that compose 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.520 PEG's staff, because we've got we've got some fun familiar 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:16.040 faces in this bunch. Okay, We've got playing the part 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.919 of Francis. We have Lucia Stross, who we just talked 0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:23.919 about on fifty First Dates. Better part for them. So 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.719 I was thrilled to see them. Her name is Francis, 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.760 not Starla. I guess that that's yeah, I'd like for whatever. 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:37.239 Starla was her name she was using as a sexophone operator. Yeah. Yeah, 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:41.120 she's credited as Frank got it. We have for all 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:46.000 my Degrassi heads. We have Raymond Ablack, who was on 0:46:46.200 --> 0:46:49.360 Degrassi when I was in high school soft Bundari. I 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.440 had a huge crush on him as I was watching 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.400 this movie. Oh my gosh, oh, I mean he's been 0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.520 in a ton like, he's super legit. He's done a 0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.640 ton of other stuff. I think he was on Yes, 0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:04.080 he was on Orphan Black. But because if you're I mean, 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.240 if you're a Canadian listener, you will know that it's 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.799 the Canadian like it's the Canadian military. You have to 0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:13.560 serve for two years in Degrassi before and you can 0:47:14.600 --> 0:47:16.719 move on to the rest of your life. But he did. 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:21.240 He's he's one of our bravest Canadian soldiers, um serving 0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.480 on the cast of Degrassi from two thousand and seven 0:47:23.520 --> 0:47:27.960 to twenty and ten. And you have Okay, my favorite. 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:33.640 The woman who plays Ronda is in a small but 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:38.560 memorable part in the original Santa clause Um who plays 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:44.640 She plays Judy the waitress from from Dennis from Denny's. Yeah, 0:47:44.680 --> 0:47:47.080 she's an icon I mean she's also been in a 0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.520 ton of shit, but like iconically she is Judy the 0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.040 waitress from the Santa Claus And I was like, whoa, 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:56.000 I love, isn't that amazing? I also love how excited 0:47:56.080 --> 0:48:02.879 we got about the fact that we knew she So. 0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:09.200 Ronda is the very regular client of PEG's mom because 0:48:09.200 --> 0:48:13.520 PEG's mom runs a salon out of her house, right 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:18.880 and Ronda seems to be her only customer, also eating 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.400 her out of house and home and also giving advice 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:25.120 when it's nannied it Like, I love when she was 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:27.279 like I could go for a fish stick, I was like, ooh, 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.399 I know this lady. I know this lady. I would 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.400 say no as like it was just yes, yeah, he 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:39.640 love it so good but yes, shout out to um 0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:43.200 legend of cinema, Judy the Waitress. Just I mean, there's 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:46.560 I love. I've got a passion for character actress and 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.000 we've got we've got a real murderer's row in this 0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:53.240 movie for sure. I also enjoyed the character Backer played 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:58.400 by Lorie odom odom Yeah, it's a it's a good batch, 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:01.600 yeah for sure. And I love that she went for hustlers, 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.200 you know, the hustlers smooth talkers, because there's so many 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:07.799 different ways to hustle and everybody has their own sort 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.399 of like niche and we keep talking about we'll see 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:13.600 that it works out. She picked the right people. Game 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:18.920 recognizes game, you know, absolutely, And I like that like Peg, 0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:22.279 I mean to some extent, but it's like whatever, Peg 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.359 is so morally compromised that she does lie to her 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:28.040 employees with with with regularity, and we'll like try to 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.520 like be like look over here anytime they're like, when 0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:33.319 are you gonna pay me? And and I know, I know, 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:37.040 Like again, Buffalo had sound off, would you forget that 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.279 your boss hadn't didn't pay you if you got good 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:42.000 seats at a Buffalo Bills game? Sound off in the comments. 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:44.080 I think I would just be upset at a Buffalo 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.920 Bills game. I would just be set. I would be 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:51.320 upset in the box at a Buffalo Bills like, damn, 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.520 I know that I've got some money that I'm old 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:57.200 so because that's how I am when I don't get 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.879 paid for my freelance work, right, away literally upset while 0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.719 I'm at the McDonald so, like, you're like, interesting, it 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.600 seems like you could have used this money for anything else. 0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:13.040 It's so wild. Or I get really upset this little site. 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.080 I get really upset if it's like net sixty one 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.080 and then I see an article published, just like on 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.359 the site, just in general, just like in general, if 0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:24.440 an article publishes, I'm like, hmm, interesting. I feel like 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:27.160 instead of publishing that article, you could have just sent 0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:32.680 me my money. Yes wild. I was on a writing 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:36.879 staff last year that like we were not allowed to unionize, 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:38.799 and then they brought us to a Dodgers game and 0:50:38.840 --> 0:50:43.520 it's like, but let us unionize. Like what I like, 0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:45.399 I don't want a hot dog And that's a lot 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.880 coming from me. I don't want a pretty hot dog today. 0:50:48.040 --> 0:50:51.520 I want a union. I was gonna say, come on union. 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:56.319 Or also like, um, I don't follow like my editors 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:59.200 on Twitter, but I know that they have one. So 0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:02.440 if it's NETS one and they're tweeting about they're like 0:51:02.960 --> 0:51:06.600 out somewhere and my money hasn't hit my account, I'm like, huh, interesting. 0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.680 Instead of going out or tweeting, it feels like you 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:12.000 could have paid me my fucking money. But you know 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:16.480 that's just me at a Buffalo's game, upset. It is 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.719 my new life goal to never get on your bad 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:23.720 side effort because at the top of the movie when 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:29.120 Peg says like, don't fuck with my money, that brought 0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:32.880 me in because just don't like I'm a very kind person, 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:37.600 but I think because of the industry that like I'm 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:40.960 in and with the way that I grew up with 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:44.480 like that, it's just very much like you could do 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:47.520 everything else. You could publish my article late, you could 0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.920 do this, you could do but do not mess with 0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.719 like my money. It's just no, I can't handle it. 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:57.560 It's really interesting that don't funk with my money is 0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:01.680 written on your shirt right now. It is. I didn't 0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.279 I really didn't want to bring it up because I 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.520 know this isn't like a visual based podcast. But the 0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.040 photo that I'm going to send is going to beat 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.680 me in this shirt. So thank you for acknowledging that 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.240 an incredible shirt. I mean, it was an investment, really 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:18.160 it marketing. I told you earlier. Started my merch is 0:52:18.200 --> 0:52:21.040 a part of my merch, your other merch being just 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:24.080 a shirt that says shreky then on the back and 0:52:24.960 --> 0:52:33.000 it don't sue me. Yeah available now Actually I mean yeah, 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:37.799 what a good hustle that you're running, thank you. Anyway, 0:52:38.280 --> 0:52:43.600 So Whiz is not happy that Peg has become his competition, 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.160 and he's like, this is war, and he starts fucking 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:51.320 with her, including dumping a bucket of like probably fake 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:55.759 blood on Peg at a Bill's game, and then trashing 0:52:56.239 --> 0:53:00.840 her office and stealing their paper aka these pieces of 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:04.719 paper that have the debtor's information on them, which is 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.479 how they were able to collect the debt from people. Yeah, 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.320 the whole kid the Carrie moment at the Buffalo Bills 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.759 game was like the patriarchy. The guy behavior goes a 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.400 little off the rails for me for part of it. 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:21.480 But there's a carry moment at the Buffalo Bill's game. 0:53:21.520 --> 0:53:23.839 We can't take that away from this movie. And then 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:28.960 there's also the blow up Dow, which like, yeah, was 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.480 just also which led into another moment of her telling 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:39.040 her staff it's okay, everything are fine, things are actually fine, 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.200 It's no big deal, and then trying to get another 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.920 date with mister Fallon, Like I was just like, what 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.160 is going? Like she they just they have they must 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:51.719 be just like terminally horny for each other because there's 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:56.000 so many times where it's just like anyone else, anyone, anybody, 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.160 anybody else. But it also seems like one of my favorite, 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:03.240 like very movie things. It seems like German Fowlers maybe 0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:06.600 the only lawyer in the entire city of Buffalo, because 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:10.160 he is like working on every case all the time. 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:14.200 He's never like, what are the chances are right chances? 0:54:14.360 --> 0:54:18.760 Because he's the prosecutor in her first trial. He's also 0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.160 there in court towards the end of the movie in 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:25.200 her second trial, and then he's also running this working 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.279 in the capacity of an investigative journalist, like he's doing 0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:32.560 a little lot. Sometimes he's a cop because yes, I 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:37.440 have right minutes. Then he comes in, he's a lawyer. 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:39.799 He comes in during the raid at the end where 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:46.000 he's like in a bulletproof jacket. I had to course 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:49.120 correct my notes at some point because I spent the 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.600 first half hour of the movie thinking that he was 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:55.680 a police detective and not because that's how he's acting. Yeah, 0:54:55.719 --> 0:55:00.640 that's how he's acting exactly. Yeah. I love his ey secretary. 0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.360 She's great. Oh yes, oh my god, iconically finding it 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:08.680 in all day long. I love that for her. She's like, 0:55:08.680 --> 0:55:12.160 what's happening? What there's a party? Awesome by I was like, Wow, 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:14.880 that's me when I have to when I work in 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:17.080 an office. So I'm just like, what huh, I'm leaving. 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.360 And she's complaining about Graham, who is asleep at his 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.799 desk apparently all the time, and also like because he's 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:26.240 drunk on a Tuesday in the middle of the day, 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.839 because there's time where she's like, you can't drive home 0:55:29.920 --> 0:55:32.320 right now, you're so drunk. I mean, he's doing a 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.279 lot of work, so maybe he's got he's gotta wearing 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:37.960 a lot of hats, he's, you know, self medicating. I 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:40.880 guess yeah, he's. Yeah, he's he's got like five different 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:47.160 jobs depending on what the scene requires. Okay, so Wiz 0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:51.280 is fucking with Peg a lot. Wiz also has taken 0:55:51.280 --> 0:55:57.080 ownership of PEG's brother JJ's bar, because JJ had put 0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:03.920 it up for collateral on his mom's refinancing on something 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:08.480 something debt. The answer is always debt with this movie. 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:13.040 So then Peg retaliates by calling the cops on Whiz, 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:17.080 and the cops raid his agency, which gives her the 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:21.880 opportunity to steal all the paper back that he stole 0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:25.480 from her. So now she has all this access to 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.440 debt or information and she's able to make a bunch 0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.160 of money. But then her mom is like, Peg, you're 0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.439 hurting people with your job, and Peg is like, nah, 0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:38.359 these people spent money they knew they didn't have. And 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:41.400 this is when Graham is like, well, what about my 0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:44.520 grandpa who was in medical debt and then he lost 0:56:44.600 --> 0:56:47.440 his house and then he died, And Peg is like, 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:51.080 do I decay? What about my dad? Is what I 0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:54.319 would be? Yeah, the like end of movie there, This 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.480 is another like thing that I mean a lot of 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:58.360 movies are guilty of. And it kind of makes me 0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.560 laugh where it's like the end to act to random 0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:06.520 information reveal that you're like, like, I mean, with with 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.799 Jermaine Fowler's character, it makes sense that that would be 0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:11.920 a but I but it doesn't make sense that he 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:14.480 would be so deep into this relationship and suddenly it 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:19.720 matters right exactly. It's solid motivation for him. So I 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:21.560 don't mind that that's a part of his character at all. 0:57:21.560 --> 0:57:24.160 But it's like, but why did you wait so long 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:27.200 to tell her that you've been dating this woman for months? 0:57:27.480 --> 0:57:30.800 Like what are you like you know, you know what's 0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:32.960 going on, Like I know she's not being totally honest, 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:34.920 but you know she's a debt collector, and even an 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:38.439 ethical debt collector is fucked up, like you know that 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:42.200 that's your job. Like uh. And in the same way 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:44.360 where it's like I think, I don't know, I guess 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:47.200 I don't know what narrative function it really served to. 0:57:47.480 --> 0:57:50.200 I guess it like helps sort of like heal, like 0:57:50.240 --> 0:57:53.800 the information about PEG's father. How do we feel about 0:57:53.840 --> 0:57:56.600 that reveal? Because I think I'm on board with it, 0:57:56.640 --> 0:57:59.080 but I just like, what what purpose did that serve 0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:00.880 other than to like bring her her and her mom 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:04.000 like a little closer together. I guess I think it 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:05.440 was That's what I was saying, Like some of those 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:08.000 stories kind of like I feel like towards that they 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:10.560 wanted to wrap it up. Well. I kind of felt 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:12.160 like they were like, we need to do this, we 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.360 need to say this, we need to make this connection 0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:16.360 with them. Also because she was not close with her 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.640 mom throughout the whole movie, which was another thing that 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:22.160 I kind of actually really liked. So I think that 0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:25.880 they were trying to be like there's this connection and 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:29.560 then and dropping off family stuff is a really good 0:58:29.560 --> 0:58:32.280 way to like speed up a story. Not a really 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:37.000 good way, it's a way to speed up a story. 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.360 And I think, honestly that's what they were trying to do. 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:44.920 But other than that, I can't really think of why. Yeah, right, 0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.479 they did it so late. I also like very much 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:49.960 saw it coming. It didn't even feel like a reveal 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:52.760 because I'm like the dad. Yeah, I can tell based 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.640 on the stories that these people are sharing that this 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:59.200 guy is a piece of shit. Yeah, And it's also 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:03.080 just be because of how much Peg loved him and 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:06.480 how a verse her dad or her mom was to him, 0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.200 and like when it came to money talk, it wasn't 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:14.240 a surprise that he you know, like shrug, who knows now? 0:59:15.560 --> 0:59:20.200 So PEG's mom and Graham are like ganging up on Peg, 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.840 being like your job is evil. So then there's like 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:27.959 this big argument among them, and then the cops show 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:31.880 up all of a sudden because whizz Head tipped them 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:37.480 off about PEG's mom running an illegal business or something. 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:43.280 So PEG's mom and JJ are arrested, Which that's evil, 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:47.200 evil evil to do what WI was did, Yes, for sure, 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:49.680 But he's patriarchy. The guy that's the kind of thing 0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:54.200 he's gonna do. What do you expect? So PEG's mom 0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:57.640 is arrested. Then we cut to the opening scene with 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:02.320 Peg running through Buffalo. She fires the gun that she 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:07.280 got from Francis Um and then she attacks whiz and 1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:09.600 they're fighting, and then the cops show up again and 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.960 arrest Peg. So she is detained with her mom and 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:16.040 this is where they have this like heart to heart. 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.960 They talk about their dreams and they talk about finances 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:24.440 and debt and how PEG's dad was actually an asshole. 1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:29.560 So then Peg gets out and organizes a meeting with 1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:34.520 all of the debt collecting agencies, including WHIZZZ. Don't know 1:00:34.600 --> 1:00:38.040 why he's so like amicable all of a sudden, Yeah, 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:42.520 suddenly he's like, I did kind of call the cops 1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:49.400 on her. So he's like, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry that. Yeah, 1:00:49.440 --> 1:00:52.840 that climactic scene. I was like, oh, rewrite city going 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:56.520 on here? Like, um, It's like I don't know, I 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:59.000 just like I don't need to like slam them, but 1:00:59.120 --> 1:01:01.040 it's like, um, okay, we gotta wrap this up. We 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:03.040 gotta wrap this up. What if everyone was in the 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.280 bar and then they said exactly what they did wrong? 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:07.200 And then the movie over and you're like, and then 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:09.920 the movie is finished, then that's exactly what And then 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:14.280 one more Buffalo bills, right, Because what happens is that 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:18.400 Peg pitches all of these debt collecting agencies a scenario 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:21.080 where they unite so that they can be this like 1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:24.720 huge strong force and make a bunch of money. And 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:27.840 they're like, yeah, I love making money, and here's all 1:01:27.840 --> 1:01:31.280 the shady shit I've done to make money. But surprise, 1:01:31.800 --> 1:01:34.920 Peg was recording the whole thing. It's a setup, and 1:01:35.040 --> 1:01:37.400 she now has them admitting to doing a bunch of 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:41.560 illegal stuff. So the cops and Jermaine Fowler, who is 1:01:41.600 --> 1:01:45.439 a cop in this scene, come in and arrest all 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:48.520 of these Honestly, I was so confused at that point 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:51.880 that I didn't even realize that that was like it 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:55.080 was weird, like but that he was acting in the 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:58.720 capacity of not his job, like just not even remotely 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:01.840 his job. He's should be there, that makes sense, Yeah, 1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:08.760 so bizarre, God bless. So Peg then like sneaks off 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:11.880 and goes to Graham's office, where he has all of 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:16.000 the evidence on all of these people to convict them, 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:20.800 because he's again also an investigative journalist question mark, Um, 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:27.320 he's a hustler too, investigator journal Everyone in this movie 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:32.400 is hustler. Yep. So Peg torches all of this evidence 1:02:32.480 --> 1:02:36.320 because she wants to erase all of those people's debts, 1:02:36.360 --> 1:02:41.080 because she has learned a lesson debt collecting is actually evil. 1:02:41.480 --> 1:02:44.240 She has not had the opportunity to learn this lesson 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:48.960 earlier in the movie. We get to wrap at us up. Yeah, 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:52.880 and she's like, oh, debt collecting is evil, and you know, 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.080 most people are in debt because of medical bills and 1:02:55.120 --> 1:03:01.040 student loans and other ways that capitalist institutions fuck over 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:05.920 so many Americans. So Peg learns this. But because Peg 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:10.520 destroyed that evidence, that's illegal. So then she gets thrown 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:14.440 back in jail for a while. But she's released. She 1:03:14.480 --> 1:03:19.640 apologizes to her mom, she celebrates with her friends, and 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:24.560 she shifts gears from to quote the movie selling nothing 1:03:24.760 --> 1:03:27.800 to people with less than nothing, which is what she 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:31.240 did as a debt collector. And she moves on to 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:35.120 the people who have everything, to the only hustle that's 1:03:35.160 --> 1:03:40.120 even more of an unregulated clusterfuck than debt collecting, which 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:45.720 is hedge funds. Okay, and I love that. That was fun. Yeah, 1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:49.320 that was fun. It was cathartic. I liked it because 1:03:49.640 --> 1:03:52.200 they were like, I think again, trying to be like, 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:57.400 she hasn't really learned anything, right, right, She's just gonna 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:02.360 like use her powers for sort of more good now, yeah, yeah, 1:04:02.640 --> 1:04:06.960 sort of more good. Yeah, but she's still being very selfish, 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:09.920 like you love that for her. And then there's some 1:04:09.960 --> 1:04:14.280 text on screen about household debt in the US being 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:18.560 thirteen trillion dollars, which is over half of what our 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:22.720 like national federal debt is. So I can't believe that's 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:29.120 a number. Thirteen trillion, thirteen trillion dollars. It rageous, absurd. 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.000 So that's the movie. Let's take a quick break and 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:44.479 we will come back to discuss, and we're back. We're 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.440 I feel like we have actually had a lot of 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:52.560 discussion already. Yeah, I did see. I was thinking that. 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:55.520 Every time I interrupted, I was like, I could have 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:58.360 saved this, finished the episode. I'm like looking at the 1:04:58.440 --> 1:05:03.920 clock too, and I was like, Shelley, you're you're a hustler. Cha, 1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:10.680 thank you? Yeah so much. So what's what's left? I 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:13.840 think like we've had this discussion around PEG, but I 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:18.040 think that like PEG is a really interesting character. I 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:20.520 do like this movie kind of falls apart from me 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:24.120 in the third act, but setting up because like you 1:05:24.160 --> 1:05:26.760 were saying at the beginning of the episode, Shelley, and honestly, 1:05:26.800 --> 1:05:28.920 you've been like selling me on this movie more the 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:32.000 more we talk about it. It's because I'm a I'm scamming, 1:05:33.600 --> 1:05:37.760 scamming me. It's sixty one and I'm fucked god artist. 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:42.400 But I do think that, like, yeah, we have so 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:46.720 many male protagonists that are the scammer that we like, 1:05:46.840 --> 1:05:49.880 you know, don't morally agree with. But you're like, well, 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:52.720 I'm like down to watch this guy go for the ride, 1:05:52.760 --> 1:05:55.680 even though it's like he has significantly less to like 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:58.560 push up against. Yeah, and it's cool to see a 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:02.720 woman put in that role and be equally fuck you, 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:05.640 like I am bad because I think that I'm trying 1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:07.520 to think of an example of what we've covered on 1:06:07.520 --> 1:06:11.120 the show. But I feel like sometimes when like a 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:16.000 female lead is doing bad stuff, the movie will go 1:06:16.320 --> 1:06:20.440 way out of its way to give like ethical reasoning 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:22.440 for it in a way that you wouldn't for a 1:06:22.440 --> 1:06:25.840 flawed male protagonist. They'd be like, well she is mommy, 1:06:26.040 --> 1:06:28.320 or like she is not Like there's like a traditionally 1:06:28.360 --> 1:06:32.160 feminine reason. She has this huge thing that's going on. 1:06:32.280 --> 1:06:35.200 This is why she's being bad, This is why she's selfish. 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:39.360 Even kill Bill like that is like her whole She's 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:42.360 only murdering people because she is mommy. Like that kind 1:06:42.360 --> 1:06:45.240 of hustlers comes to mind as well, where they're like, yeah, 1:06:45.240 --> 1:06:49.400 we're like baking drugs and feeding them to people, but 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:52.760 it's because I have a daughter. Yeah, and even for 1:06:52.840 --> 1:06:56.520 me like promising young woman and stuff like, yeah, I 1:06:56.560 --> 1:06:59.560 love a revenge, Like this is not very revenge, but 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:03.040 I mean she is kind of mad at the system 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:06.720 people PEG anyway, the system. Yeah, but like I just 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:11.800 don't I want I've always wanted films with like, if 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:14.400 it's a revenge film with a woman, I wanted it 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:18.200 to just be she's just mad for no reason, Like 1:07:18.240 --> 1:07:21.000 why can't she just want to be bad or want 1:07:21.000 --> 1:07:23.640 to be selfish or want to make these like money 1:07:23.680 --> 1:07:26.000 moves and all this kind of stuff because she just 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:29.520 wants to She's not trying to like pay to keep 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:32.000 her kids in the house or try to get someone 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:33.760 out of the hospital. And that's what I kind of 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:36.680 love about PEG. It's like, and she's been this way 1:07:36.960 --> 1:07:39.880 since she was a kid, right, Like, she's just wanted 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:43.080 money and it's just something she learned from her dad, 1:07:43.120 --> 1:07:46.000 which I also thought was cool. Was something a movie 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:51.080 where a girl inherits a trait or the characteristic or 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:56.200 something from her father versus like her mom, which I 1:07:56.240 --> 1:07:59.320 think is was super super dope like, but I agree 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:02.280 with you that it and towards the end, and there 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:04.080 are a lot of holes, you know what I'm saying. 1:08:04.160 --> 1:08:07.360 But I think because I was so amped about the 1:08:07.800 --> 1:08:11.000 plot and the money and just how peg is, I 1:08:11.120 --> 1:08:14.520 kind of like looked past them until right now we're 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:19.479 like dissecting. Honestly, most of my issues with the movie 1:08:19.520 --> 1:08:24.040 are not necessarily like Bechtel cast lens related stuff. It's 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:27.759 more just like this script could have used a second draft, 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:31.880 Like the characters are a little like cartoonish and inconsistent. 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:36.120 The plot could be a bit more streamlined, maybe, but 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:41.520 as far as like examining a complicated and like morally 1:08:42.280 --> 1:08:47.400 corrupt character who is a woman, which again is kind 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.080 of a rare thing for a movie to examine, because 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:54.439 those characters that writers or that like Hollywood makes space 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:58.840 for are almost always men, right, So yeah, I think 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:02.800 there's just like interesting too. That's a little why I 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:05.200 guess it's been like what we were just talking about, 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:07.639 where it's like the most of the movie doesn't like 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:09.880 we know why Peg is doing what she's doing, but 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.479 it is like a self motivated thing. She's not like 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:14.840 I'm trying to save the family. She's like family clearly 1:09:14.840 --> 1:09:17.200 doesn't want to save themselves. I'm going to save myself. 1:09:17.360 --> 1:09:19.720 Like it's not like she doesn't love her family, but 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:22.880 she's not like, I guess, you know, using all of 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.000 her time to be like, come on, mom, it's not 1:09:25.120 --> 1:09:28.479 her like major concern. Yeah, it's not even her brother's bar. 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:32.720 She's like, you're being stupid about how you're running this bar. 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:35.599 I'm not gonna help you figure it out. But but 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:40.400 like you're wrong. Yeah, But like I guess that that's 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:42.920 why I felt a little like Studio notesy to me 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:47.160 that she's like so thoroughly absolved of everything at the 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:50.040 end and then she like I don't know, the whole 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:52.519 like colluding with the DA's office at the end of 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:55.320 like that whole thing. It's like this is a character 1:09:55.360 --> 1:09:59.920 who is self motivated and bad like see that does 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:03.000 like see that through I don't know I guess that 1:10:03.040 --> 1:10:05.280 they sort of do, because she ends up just sort 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:08.599 of like heel turning to do the exact same sort 1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:10.880 of diabolical shit in a way that's less harmful to 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:14.599 vulnerable people. Yeah. Yeah, I just didn't like it too. 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:17.240 Only the major thing that I didn't like I kind 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:20.280 of liked that she had a shitty relationship with her mom, 1:10:20.360 --> 1:10:22.960 And I think that like hard to heart moment in 1:10:23.000 --> 1:10:25.920 the cell, it kind of made me a little upset 1:10:26.240 --> 1:10:29.960 because it helped her make a turn or basically make 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:32.519 a little turn or whatever, being like, oh, you're just 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:34.400 like your dad and Dada dad lah. It's like I 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:36.960 wanted her to be like, yeah, I am, and I'm 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:42.080 going to keep being like just like it's just who 1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.559 I am, Like I'm gonna be. So I kind of 1:10:44.560 --> 1:10:47.320 don't like. I didn't like that bit of it, But 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.400 I don't know. I think it was because the same 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:52.400 thing is like hard to heart, learn something from your mom, 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:54.840 This is learn why you're doing wrong. I kind of 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:58.040 did want Pig to keep doing I wanted her to 1:10:58.040 --> 1:10:59.840 like come back out of prison and be like, Okay, 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:02.040 so now I've learned exactly what not to do and 1:11:02.120 --> 1:11:04.680 maybe take it somewhere else to another city, you know 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:09.479 what I mean, Like just I mean, but I yeah, 1:11:09.520 --> 1:11:11.479 I did it. I would have ended like she's she's 1:11:11.560 --> 1:11:14.320 like a little she's a little villainous and it's like 1:11:14.920 --> 1:11:18.000 but and we know why. But it's like, yeah, yeah, 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:19.960 I don't know. I mean, it's like, I guess, do 1:11:20.040 --> 1:11:25.760 I want Girl Boss Jordan Belford? No, But while we're here, 1:11:25.920 --> 1:11:28.360 I don't know, Like I guess I feel kind of 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:31.840 like conflicted about it. I do like the wow, we're 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:33.800 here part of that, though, it's like, well, if we're 1:11:33.800 --> 1:11:36.840 gonna do this, then right, like let's just do because 1:11:36.920 --> 1:11:39.320 I don't It's not like I feel like a lot 1:11:39.320 --> 1:11:41.160 of the times they do this with like black films too, 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:43.639 They'll take a white film and like make it black. 1:11:43.720 --> 1:11:45.519 I'm not trying to tell them to like take this 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:49.519 like male censored situation and make it put a girl there. 1:11:49.520 --> 1:11:51.920 But at the same time, if we're already here and 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:54.519 if that feels like it was kind of the plan anyway, 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:58.439 you got to see it all the way through, like yeah, yeah, 1:11:58.479 --> 1:11:59.960 I don't know. I guess. It's like I'm sort of 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.719 all over the place in that regard because it's also like, well, 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:09.639 our hero is actively oppressing people and ruining their lives, 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:13.360 and that's I mean, I guess that you what this 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:17.759 movie does really well is contextualized that like a certain 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:20.240 amount of this is just like who Peg is as 1:12:20.280 --> 1:12:23.880 a person. She's super fucking motivated. And but then where 1:12:23.880 --> 1:12:26.400 the society ship comes in is like she has this 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.840 really intense motivated personality in the context of growing up 1:12:30.880 --> 1:12:33.800 poor and in the context of being told that she's 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.759 not going to amount to shit and like can't do anything. 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.320 And so it's like a little mix of like nature 1:12:39.360 --> 1:12:43.080 and nurture that like brings her to where she is, 1:12:43.120 --> 1:12:45.599 And I feel like that's that's much more effective than 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:48.960 like in a void. Oh, she's just like this. And 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:52.639 I also think it like connects to her relationship with 1:12:53.360 --> 1:12:57.639 her mom, which I think is really interesting and feels 1:12:57.760 --> 1:13:04.080 very like boomer like late gen X parent and millennial 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:09.280 gen Z kid, where her mom does still have a 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:12.040 like even though she is a single mom who is 1:13:12.080 --> 1:13:14.400 like busting her ass so that her kids can get 1:13:14.439 --> 1:13:16.920 what they want. They don't have a great relationship, like 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:19.080 you're saying, Shelley. I liked that they didn't have a 1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:23.439 great relationship. It like made sense because Peg represents all 1:13:23.520 --> 1:13:27.439 these things and these qualities that her mom is not 1:13:27.560 --> 1:13:32.360 comfortable with. Her mom still has like a fairly traditional 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:37.000 set of values in terms of gender. That comes up 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:40.680 several times, and then it's like this weird, well, yeah, 1:13:40.680 --> 1:13:42.240 I want to know what you think about this, because 1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.040 there's like that weird chafing argument with them that happens 1:13:45.040 --> 1:13:48.640 a few times in the movie where her mom is 1:13:48.840 --> 1:13:52.000 being pretty sexist towards her, and it is like, well, 1:13:52.000 --> 1:13:54.439 why can't you just like settle down and like, you know, 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:57.040 cut the ship and settle down. You've met a nice guy, 1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:00.599 which is super reductive and horrible and shitty, and Peg 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:03.559 never you know, entertains it. But then it also is 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:06.040 like it almost I don't know. There were moments where 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:08.639 Peg was like, no, I don't want to do that, 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:12.160 and thus I must do crime, and you're like, surely 1:14:12.160 --> 1:14:15.200 there's some middle ground here. It's like, or you could 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:17.720 just not pay for the dinner, because that's where I came. 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:19.639 It came for me, is when she was talking about 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:22.360 I'm gonna take you out, and then the mom kept 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:26.040 saying who's paying, who's paying? Why would you pay? That 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.680 kind of situation. And I think if instead of her 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:32.280 being like oh, she could have just been like, I'm 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:35.080 going to pay for this dinner, not all right, Well, 1:14:35.120 --> 1:14:38.400 I'm just gonna go open up my own scamming business 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:41.320 situation and be a girl boss so to show you 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:44.720 that I can pay for dinners with whatever guy I 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:48.479 want to. It just was a very intense going against 1:14:48.479 --> 1:14:53.280 what mom wants situation. Yeah. Yeah. Also that character trait 1:14:53.439 --> 1:14:58.800 of PEG's mom that she's like holding onto these patriarchal 1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:02.960 standard of a man should pay for dinner because a 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:06.360 man should be the provider. And then like I feel like, 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:09.320 a couple minutes later, her mom's like, Peg, would it 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:11.800 kill you to wear a skirt every now? And then 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:14.840 that happened so late in the movie, and it feels 1:15:14.840 --> 1:15:17.320 like it came out of nowhere. I'm like, yeah, what 1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:22.120 has her mom been this like old fashioned, like whole 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:28.000 weird like sexist ideals, ladies. I feel like her equivalent 1:15:28.200 --> 1:15:31.320 of my grandfather was in debt And you're like, why 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:34.040 am I learning this now? Yeah? Why am I learning 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:37.160 this about you now? Because if if let's say that 1:15:37.320 --> 1:15:41.320 was established earlier about PEG's mom, that like if she 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:45.000 was sort of like judgmental of Peg for wanting to 1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:47.200 be such a go getter and wanting to make so 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:50.679 much money because she's like no, no, no, like girls 1:15:50.720 --> 1:15:54.160 and women shouldn't have to you know, you should just 1:15:54.479 --> 1:15:57.200 go and try and find a man and and like 1:15:57.320 --> 1:15:59.439 let him be the provider. Why are you so gung 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:03.360 ho about making your own money? And maybe that was 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:08.280 like fueled PEG's desire even more to be like I 1:16:08.400 --> 1:16:12.920 have to prove these sexist ideals wrong. Like yeah, I 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.080 don't know. It might have been like kind of corny, 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:18.280 but at least it would have been consistent, yeah, because 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.719 it also would have helped, Like again, mayked more consistent too. 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:25.160 If why her mom like didn't really know about I 1:16:25.200 --> 1:16:27.560 guess the debt situations like in the house, Like it 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:29.040 would have made sense if that was a part of 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:31.840 the character. If her mom was this person and a 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.200 lot of women back in her day when she was 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:36.280 being they didn't know how the finances of the house 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:38.639 was being ran. You feel me so because they were 1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:41.920 very much so like I am just taking care of 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.400 house and home, like I make sure dinner is clipped 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:46.760 and the house is clean and all that kind of stuff. 1:16:46.800 --> 1:16:49.200 So if they had introduced her as like more of 1:16:49.240 --> 1:16:52.160 a gen X version of that woman. It would have 1:16:52.200 --> 1:16:55.559 also made more sense throughout the film too, because I 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:57.720 remember at one point she asked her as soon as 1:16:57.760 --> 1:16:59.759 she got home, the one of the ladies talked about 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:03.479 her roots too, and she was like, yes, we're gonna 1:17:03.479 --> 1:17:05.800 get there taken care of and it's just like but 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:07.920 then she was like, get a job, or I haven't 1:17:07.920 --> 1:17:10.040 seen you in a few weeks. It's just she was 1:17:10.040 --> 1:17:13.639 a little bit choppy. Yeah, that and like her being 1:17:13.640 --> 1:17:18.479 like women shouldn't like men are the providers. Meanwhile, PEG's 1:17:18.520 --> 1:17:22.960 mom owns and operates a business, like a whole as business. 1:17:23.120 --> 1:17:25.680 You would think that, like I mean, and again this 1:17:25.760 --> 1:17:28.559 is but like if I have like a movie logic 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:31.160 helmet on, you would think that if she felt that way, 1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:35.160 she would be remarried, like she would have actively sought 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:37.400 that up for herself. But it doesn't seem like that's 1:17:37.479 --> 1:17:41.679 been a priority for her, which is fine. I prefer 1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:45.400 that like for this story, but it's weird. I feel 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:48.760 like there is maybe room for something a little more nuanced, 1:17:48.800 --> 1:17:52.040 because yeah, it didn't seem consistent with the character, and 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:56.800 it's like, there are you know, intergenerational, like varying definitions 1:17:56.800 --> 1:18:00.280 of like her mom is making, you know, what would 1:18:00.320 --> 1:18:03.280 be considered like an honest living like she is, Like 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:05.800 I guess it's her businesses and technically legal, but like 1:18:06.240 --> 1:18:09.120 she's she's not doing work that is hurting people and 1:18:09.640 --> 1:18:11.800 her job is not ethically compromised. And I feel like 1:18:11.840 --> 1:18:15.160 there's that's kind of an interesting conversation to have between 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:17.080 a parent and a child and between a mother and 1:18:17.120 --> 1:18:20.040 a daughter of like, I don't approve of what you're 1:18:20.200 --> 1:18:24.040 doing because it's hurting people, and where is your line 1:18:24.040 --> 1:18:28.200 of compromise, like morally, Like that's an interesting conversation, but 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:31.679 it felt more like they it became like a more 1:18:31.760 --> 1:18:34.519 basic something that's been like hashed out a million times 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:37.160 of like put on a dress and get married, which, 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.800 like you're both saying, like, doesn't really have anything to 1:18:39.840 --> 1:18:42.080 do with that character. Yeah, yeah, it just shows up 1:18:42.479 --> 1:18:48.559 similarly Whiz being so cartoonish in his sexism. And I'm 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:52.280 not saying there aren't men like this, but like, for sure, 1:18:52.560 --> 1:18:56.760 I feel like it's chicks. Yeah. Literally. Here are some 1:18:56.840 --> 1:19:03.360 quotes from the movie Wait, please perform at Gai Courtney style. Please, 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:07.240 he says, go be my bar bitch and get me 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:11.719 some bears. And you're like, oh, Gi, I was hoping 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:13.320 that you were going to start off with that one. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:17.280 I really really really was. And then when Peg like 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:20.599 double crosses him, he's like, this is why I don't 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:23.240 hire bitches, And I think what he means is this 1:19:23.280 --> 1:19:25.920 is why I don't hire women, and he just thinks 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:30.200 all women are bitches or that's exactly Oh he is 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:34.000 a thousand percent saying because woman, And then like he 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:37.400 dumps blood on her head and like has a little 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:39.960 handwritten note that says something like the only thing that 1:19:40.040 --> 1:19:46.400 bitches collect is menstrual blood. It was like cartoon ish, 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:49.280 like you're just like a cartoon character and it is 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:52.240 called out to She didn't even know that she was 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:54.439 going to try to Like I guess the other knew 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:56.360 she was gonna try to get a job there. But 1:19:56.479 --> 1:19:59.120 he was like he told me, He told me I 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:00.960 was there was gonna be like a guest, but he 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:04.480 didn't say she was a piece, And I was like, oh, yeah, 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.800 he also, yeah, he aggressively sexually harasses her in the 1:20:07.800 --> 1:20:10.439 workplace multiple times. He like I was like, hey, is 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:14.280 this buffalo's sexual harassment or is this character just using 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:20.360 wildly outdated terms because could you just call me a piece? Like? 1:20:20.600 --> 1:20:24.200 But here is it? No? Um? There's another scene where 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:27.280 it's when like he's really short changing her as far 1:20:27.320 --> 1:20:30.120 as how much commission she's supposed to earn, and he 1:20:30.200 --> 1:20:33.960 like puts his arm around her and is like making 1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.840 her uncomfortable, invading her space, and then she's like, I 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.280 mean she pushes back, which I'm happy to see where 1:20:40.280 --> 1:20:43.400 she's just like, get your fucking hand off me. But 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:48.240 I think this is all just very indicative of while 1:20:48.479 --> 1:20:51.200 the movie was directed by a woman, it was written 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:53.920 by a man, and I feel like, yeah, it was like, 1:20:54.720 --> 1:20:59.400 what's his name, Brian Sokka, He's like, what does sexism 1:20:59.439 --> 1:21:02.880 look like? Oh my god, it's when men call women 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:06.759 pitches one hundred times dumps and throw blood are blood 1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:09.920 on you at a Buffalo Bill's game, and often uses 1:21:10.520 --> 1:21:13.840 blow up. Thus from nineteen ninety two was very ol 1:21:13.920 --> 1:21:18.840 Bundy like very like what oh yes, like what that was? 1:21:19.320 --> 1:21:22.240 That was why he he was wild for that one. 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:24.479 And it also just seemed like Jai Courtney is like 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.240 as a man, was like doing kind of some old 1:21:27.280 --> 1:21:31.920 man stuff when he was not an old man he was, um, yeah, 1:21:32.000 --> 1:21:34.280 I thought, like, yeah, I think that, like honestly, that 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.320 as funny as I thought that character was, I feel 1:21:37.320 --> 1:21:40.280 like it sort of again, like in the same way, 1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:42.519 it's like it felt a little too broad and like 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:46.400 there could have been a more productive conversation of like 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:50.559 I think a lot of like discrimination in general is 1:21:50.680 --> 1:21:53.240 done at like the micro aggression level and this but 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.000 this movie just like is not Ya does not have 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:59.880 the capacity for micro anything. Like everything is like maximal 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:03.639 all the time, so it's just maybe not the movie 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:06.760 for it. But yeah, now everything is very, very very 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:08.360 to the max. And I think, like when I was 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:11.360 watching this movie too, why I like really connected with 1:22:11.400 --> 1:22:13.360 it or because, like I said, it was during like 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:16.639 the first Lockdown and I think this was like I 1:22:16.680 --> 1:22:20.920 watched it in May or something like that. I think 1:22:20.920 --> 1:22:23.040 it was because there was so much going on with 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:26.639 money in the world at that situation, Like a lot 1:22:26.640 --> 1:22:29.160 of people were like concerned. I mean, it's always stuff 1:22:29.160 --> 1:22:30.640 going on in the world with money, but a lot 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:33.439 of people were like super concerned about it. We didn't 1:22:33.439 --> 1:22:36.120 know what was going on. People were losing jobs, like 1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:38.599 all this kind of shit was happening, and I think 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:40.320 That's another reason why I was like, oh, yeah, I'm 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.040 gonna watch this movie about debt and scare myself a 1:22:44.080 --> 1:22:46.679 little bit more like why not? Of course I am, 1:22:46.840 --> 1:22:52.280 but yeah, and I'm just wondering why it's so hidden. 1:22:52.479 --> 1:22:56.120 I guess, Like, but I often find films like that 1:22:56.240 --> 1:22:58.840 where I like become obsessed with this movie that was 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:03.160 probably not really meant to be seen. Yeah, did it 1:23:03.320 --> 1:23:06.679 have a theatrical release? Because I watched it on Hulu 1:23:06.720 --> 1:23:08.600 and I was wondering, like, oh, it's just like a 1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:12.920 Hulu production, and that's the thing. I also originally watched 1:23:12.960 --> 1:23:14.960 it on Hulu and this was like three years ago, 1:23:15.000 --> 1:23:17.559 so I don't think it was even meant to have 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.479 a theatrical release. Yeah, I don't remember it getting a 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:22.920 release if it did have one. I mean, this was 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:25.320 something we could probably easily look up. No, I mean 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:27.920 it made like less than thirty thousand dollars at the 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:32.360 box office, which again, and this was like pre pandemic too, 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.479 so it's like not even actually really during it. So 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:38.760 I do think it's it's frustrating because I mean I 1:23:38.800 --> 1:23:43.320 don't know like this director Tanya Wexler, who also I 1:23:43.360 --> 1:23:46.160 was like, oh, Massachusetts heads, was one of the first 1:23:46.240 --> 1:23:51.559 queer was one of the first gay marriage became legal 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:55.320 in Massachusetts. In two thousand and four, Tanya Wexler and 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:57.519 her wife were one of the first couples to ever 1:23:57.600 --> 1:24:01.479 be legally married in the country, which I thought was 1:24:01.520 --> 1:24:04.040 really cool. It's just a fun fact. But like, she 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:07.400 was already a well respected director. This is her fourth film, 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:09.920 and I think it's like really frustrating that it didn't 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:13.679 get more attention because it's like, is it perfect? No? 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:17.320 Is it talking about stuff that no one ever talks 1:24:17.320 --> 1:24:20.240 about in movies in a smart and funny way that 1:24:20.439 --> 1:24:24.880 centers a woman who's poor, and like like that these 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:27.719 are all things that like, very very regularly happen. And 1:24:27.920 --> 1:24:30.400 I wish, yeah, I wish I understood why it didn't 1:24:30.400 --> 1:24:33.080 get more attention, because honestly, before you pitched it, Shelley, 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:35.680 I hadn't heard of this movie. And like, and I 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:39.880 think too, like with the cast being so stacked too, 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:42.240 Like it's a pretty good it's a pretty dope cast, 1:24:42.320 --> 1:24:44.559 like Trudy Greer first of all, but then you got 1:24:44.600 --> 1:24:49.520 all these familiar faces, like two smaller roles, but everyone 1:24:49.720 --> 1:24:52.719 is just like in it. But yeah, I just thought 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:55.639 it was like a really dope movie because I movies 1:24:55.640 --> 1:24:59.040 I talk about money in any capacity is really pretty 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:00.760 much interesting to me. But I don't know a lot 1:25:00.800 --> 1:25:05.840 of movies about like debt and student loans and women 1:25:06.080 --> 1:25:08.760 that are all kind of repped and poor, like being poor, 1:25:09.360 --> 1:25:12.679 a poor woman. It was just like that was really 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:15.000 like drew me to it. But and then I just 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:18.160 like started really liking Zoe Dutch as an actress, Like, 1:25:19.000 --> 1:25:21.320 but yeah, I saw her in Not Okay, which I 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:24.320 know a lot of people did not like. But also 1:25:24.400 --> 1:25:30.560 she's she's the daughter of Leah Thompson, like the Caroline 1:25:30.600 --> 1:25:34.559 in the City, like what. It's just like she is 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:38.439 like that is like some that nepotism did please me 1:25:38.520 --> 1:25:41.400 a little bit. That was one that actually that pleased 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:47.240 me quite a bit, if I'm being honest. I was like, okay, wait, 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:50.439 Leah Thompson of Back to the Future, she plays the 1:25:50.520 --> 1:25:54.120 random Back to the Future whoa Okay, And she's in 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:58.040 that duck movie Howard. I think Howard the Duck, isn't 1:25:58.080 --> 1:26:01.439 she and Howard the Duck? We should cover Howard the Duck? 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:06.920 That one that is a trip Duck December on the 1:26:07.160 --> 1:26:10.880 Matreon and due Howard the Duck and the Mighty Ducks. Oh, 1:26:11.000 --> 1:26:17.639 it'll be great. Ducks Ducks, Ducks, Ducks December. Absolutely. Wow, 1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:21.160 we're doing it. We will not stop until every bad 1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:26.519 theme has been done. Um. Oh you could also do 1:26:26.640 --> 1:26:29.519 duck Butter. Duck Butter? Did you already talk about that movie? 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:33.040 What's that? Oh? My god, I know about all these 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:37.559 movies that I've never heard of. That movie has uh 1:26:37.560 --> 1:26:44.160 maybe fuka, Oh, Chicat is in it and it's gay 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:50.680 and it's bad to me. But it's called duck Butter. Yeah. 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:57.120 That gay movies be bad. That's my campaign all the time. 1:26:58.000 --> 1:27:02.960 Gay movies be bad. But then you have dikes and 1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:07.320 duck December. Yeah, there is Wow. Okay, I love it. 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:10.799 I love it. I love a theme. Okay, keep sending 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:14.519 pick because we we've been I it's shocking that we haven't. 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:17.400 I mean I think that our advantages they were never good. 1:27:18.000 --> 1:27:20.680 They were always bad, and so we never had to 1:27:20.680 --> 1:27:22.639 be like we had to think of another good theme. 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:27.000 It's never It's never happened. I love it. Um to 1:27:27.560 --> 1:27:31.519 go back to the like discussion of like finances and money, 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:35.599 that that's like the crux of this movie or some 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:38.000 some might even call it the thrust of the movie. 1:27:38.360 --> 1:27:43.240 I'm bringing it back. Whoa keep saying thrust? I wish 1:27:43.320 --> 1:27:46.639 everyone could see that the eyebrows, not Jamie that went 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:49.080 up with that, Like, Okay, I know you can't funk 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:54.160 around with Caitlin when they're saying thrust. It's just like, okay, 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:59.040 you win. Yeah, don't try and stop me. I'm not 1:27:59.320 --> 1:28:03.639 I'm not stop. So here's what has happened. I wrote 1:28:03.680 --> 1:28:06.439 down something in my notes, and I don't remember if 1:28:06.439 --> 1:28:10.720 it's because it gets examined thoughtfully in the movie or 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:14.080 if it's just a really meaningful, amazing thing that I 1:28:14.120 --> 1:28:19.600 had to say. Excited, I'm still excited. So part of 1:28:19.600 --> 1:28:23.160 the story is that she never even ends up having 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:27.120 student debt because she never ends up going to the 1:28:27.240 --> 1:28:31.040 Ivy League school that she got into, or any school, because, 1:28:31.040 --> 1:28:34.799 as she points out, that to go to the school 1:28:34.800 --> 1:28:39.480 that she got into would have been seventy thousand dollars 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:44.720 in interest alone, So it's like hundreds of thousands of 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:47.960 dollars in tuition and housing and expenses that she would 1:28:48.000 --> 1:28:51.880 have incurred. So I'm glad, they say, right. And one 1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:54.599 of the reasons she's so kind of hell bent on 1:28:55.240 --> 1:28:59.320 going to college and specifically an Ivy League school. Is 1:28:59.600 --> 1:29:04.599 she as that higher education is the key to financial freedom. 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:08.240 Now I think that, I think that's tongue in cheese, 1:29:08.240 --> 1:29:10.759 and I don't think this really gets examined or challenged 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:15.639 in the movie. But while like a degree does open 1:29:15.720 --> 1:29:20.519 a lot more doors for people, higher education is also 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:24.600 kind of a racket and it ends up suffocating a 1:29:24.600 --> 1:29:27.720 lot of people in student debt that they have a 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:32.880 really hard time escaping, and it doesn't necessarily like guarantee 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:37.519 you a magnificent job. So I don't and again, I 1:29:37.520 --> 1:29:39.519 don't think the movie is actually commenting on that. I 1:29:39.520 --> 1:29:43.639 think this is my tirade against all my higher education. 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:47.880 My view is like higher education should baseline be more accessible, 1:29:47.920 --> 1:29:52.559 because it feels like between our parents' generation and hours, 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:56.320 it seems like you now need an expensive college degree 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:58.320 to have access to the same level of jobs that 1:29:58.360 --> 1:30:00.559 our parents had with a high school degree, and so 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:04.439 now there's this huge financial entry point to work at 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:07.120 an entry level job, Like it's hard to get my 1:30:07.520 --> 1:30:09.880 I mean, my my brother is like struggling with this 1:30:09.960 --> 1:30:12.000 right now. He's trying to get a basic office job, 1:30:12.400 --> 1:30:14.559 and it's like he has a college education, but it's 1:30:14.560 --> 1:30:17.760 like it's still not enough and that wasn't as much 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:21.240 the case with previous generations. And I don't know, it's 1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:23.200 like I don't I would never want to discourage anyone 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:26.680 from getting higher education. I think it's more of a 1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:29.599 matter of just like I think that like I was, 1:30:29.920 --> 1:30:32.400 I'm very glad I went to college. I feel very 1:30:32.479 --> 1:30:35.040 lucky that I got to go. If I knew what 1:30:35.160 --> 1:30:40.479 I knew now, I would have chosen. I probably would 1:30:40.479 --> 1:30:42.559 have gone to a state school. I wouldn't have been 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:48.280 as like enchanted by the like high price tag, like 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:51.320 fancy looking like oh, you have to go here. But 1:30:51.400 --> 1:30:54.160 even that introduces this sort of thing because you're like 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:57.360 almost buying into an alumni network and you're buying in 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:01.479 like there are things that come I just like I 1:31:01.479 --> 1:31:03.880 don't know. I I because I feel like there's there's 1:31:03.920 --> 1:31:06.000 a discussion about this in a recent like I think 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:10.559 it was one of the trillion bullshit New York Times 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:13.640 opinion articles that have come out recently. I think I 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:16.360 might be thinking of another publication. But they were like, 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:19.280 you know, asking like well, where have all the English 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:24.000 major's gone, and like English majors a culturally catch so 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.120 much shit of like this is a useless degree, this sucks, 1:31:27.160 --> 1:31:30.479 blah blah blah. And I know, like I've probably made 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:33.720 similar comments like I have a useless degree, like and 1:31:34.520 --> 1:31:37.080 I don't know, Like, but in retrospect, it's like you'd 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:41.120 need people to be incentivized to want to study literature 1:31:41.160 --> 1:31:45.000 and study history, especially in like study history. Well, but 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:48.040 you can't be in you know, six figure debt to 1:31:48.120 --> 1:31:51.120 study history. There's no way out of right, Like you're fucked. 1:31:51.160 --> 1:31:53.160 And then so what do you do just like lose 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:57.800 certain areas of study because it's been made so impossible 1:31:57.840 --> 1:32:00.840 to even access it. I just I don't know. I 1:32:00.880 --> 1:32:04.519 think the movie kind of like explores it a little 1:32:04.560 --> 1:32:08.320 bit by saying by the opposite, right, Like I think 1:32:08.320 --> 1:32:10.240 that's what Peg thinks. She's like, oh my god, yeah, 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:12.479 like this is what I need in order to be somebody, 1:32:12.479 --> 1:32:14.080 in order to get a lot of money in order 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:16.320 to do all this shit. Then ultimately she doesn't go 1:32:16.400 --> 1:32:19.679 and she learns that that's actually not what you There's 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.040 so many ways for you to be successful. I guess 1:32:22.040 --> 1:32:24.240 it just depends on what kind of financially successful you want. 1:32:24.280 --> 1:32:26.920 Because she's scamming, So it's a little bit different, right, 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:31.360 But I think but successfully. But I think that like 1:32:31.840 --> 1:32:35.280 I was very bought or in like sold a dream 1:32:35.280 --> 1:32:37.479 when it came to like college. But I think that 1:32:37.640 --> 1:32:40.040 like goes back to what it says about like our parents. 1:32:40.120 --> 1:32:41.960 My parents were like I was the first person in 1:32:42.080 --> 1:32:44.720 my I'm the first person in my family to like 1:32:44.800 --> 1:32:47.680 go to college, right, like and to like graduate and 1:32:47.680 --> 1:32:49.960 all that kind of stuff. Like my brother went, but 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:52.320 he went for like two semesters and was like, absolutely 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:56.080 the fuck not, I don't do this, you know, good 1:32:56.120 --> 1:32:58.599 for him? Good for him? Right, And I think that 1:32:58.920 --> 1:33:01.920 I wish, like when we're saying looking back, Jimmy, I 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:09.240 think like I wish that I had been told more 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:12.240 like the options, like you said, a state school or 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:15.599 going to community college first for some quarters and then 1:33:15.680 --> 1:33:19.000 transferring over or knowing that like I didn't have to 1:33:19.040 --> 1:33:21.839 do it in four years and wrack up all that debt, 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:24.240 all that kind of stuff. But I do think that 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:28.479 that is a really big thing. And people never I 1:33:28.479 --> 1:33:30.920 would just go for fashion, Like I majored in fashion 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:34.920 and minored in journalism, right, But when I look back 1:33:34.960 --> 1:33:37.439 at it now, like no one's ever asked to see 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:41.160 our degree. No one's ever asked for it. I've never 1:33:41.280 --> 1:33:43.800 got I've never had to prove it. And then like 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:48.599 I never needed it for the career that I've made 1:33:48.920 --> 1:33:53.679 for myself now, Like I really honestly didn't need to go, 1:33:53.960 --> 1:33:56.559 but I was told that that is what I needed 1:33:56.640 --> 1:34:00.160 in order to be successful, was a college degree. And 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:01.800 then I ended up putting myself in this debt. I 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:03.960 ended up putting my mom and dad in debt. And 1:34:03.960 --> 1:34:05.360 that's what I was going to talk about too, with 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:07.320 like debt in general, that's why I know so much 1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:08.880 about it because, like I said, I learned about debt 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:11.839 before I learned about earnings because my family was always 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:15.400 paying something off for paying a bill or catching up 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:18.400 on a bill or something like that. So I was 1:34:18.439 --> 1:34:22.000 always more focused on that. But I personally only have 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:25.320 thirty thousand in student loans, and I only have that 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.519 because my mom and dad took on the rest, you 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:30.679 know what I mean. And I think it wasn't a plan. 1:34:30.880 --> 1:34:33.120 I think it's just because like they were doing that 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:36.240 same thing of being like this is your key, so 1:34:36.320 --> 1:34:38.640 we are going to take this on because this is 1:34:38.680 --> 1:34:42.400 your key to doing all the big stuff and ultimately 1:34:42.479 --> 1:34:45.439 like rescuing or being there for us, you know what 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:48.200 I mean too. So I think that's another thing that's 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:51.120 kind of explored in the movie too, Like Peg does 1:34:51.240 --> 1:34:53.599 want to make money for herself, but she actually does 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:56.719 say it when she talks about going to school. She's 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:59.519 like it's for her and it's for her family, like 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:02.880 she herself as a she may be, she still knows 1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:06.720 that her success equals like theirs, which is kind of 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:11.720 like a lot of pressure. But like, right, it's just 1:35:11.760 --> 1:35:14.439 a lot of pressure, so I guess, But yeah, I 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:19.040 wish I had just been told more about loans and stuff, 1:35:19.120 --> 1:35:22.320 like it's so and I feel like it's like intentional 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:27.200 that it's not so intentional. Yeah, you're seventeen. You are 1:35:27.320 --> 1:35:30.800 seventeen years old. And then they're like, hey, you want 1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:32.519 to go to college show you've watched those bit of 1:35:32.760 --> 1:35:37.679 do you want to take out nine four years? Don't worry, 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:40.120 it's four years. We're gonna give you a really good degree. 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:41.760 You're gonna make so much money, and then we'll like 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:43.320 just get it back from me. If we're a little bit, 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:46.760 you're seventeen, you don't know anything, and I think we 1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:51.160 know more so if our generation um like has kids 1:35:51.160 --> 1:35:54.479 and stuff like that, I think I hope that it's 1:35:54.479 --> 1:35:57.400 a little bit better for them, just because we can 1:35:57.520 --> 1:36:00.760 now teach them more about these predatory practices and what 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:03.519 to be looking out for and all that kind of stuff. 1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:05.760 And then the other thing is like pushing for like 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:08.599 more systemic like that's I mean, like literally what's happening 1:36:08.640 --> 1:36:12.920 in the Supreme Court right now, and like how it 1:36:13.240 --> 1:36:16.639 sucks because it's like as individuals your powers, you have 1:36:16.680 --> 1:36:19.960 more power, and like telling your own child like, hey, 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:23.040 I fucking fell for this. We are not going to 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:25.800 fall for this. Yeah, we will not be fooled again. 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:28.320 But then on the other end is just like continuing 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:31.679 to push for this to be less of a problem, 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:34.960 which is like theoretically what should be happening with student 1:36:35.000 --> 1:36:37.479 debt relief even though it's nowhere close to the amount 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:40.280 of like ten thousand is like a drop in the bucket, 1:36:40.680 --> 1:36:43.360 like everybody, Yeah, it wouldn't even make a dent for 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:49.000 most people, right Yeah. And to be clear, I love education. 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:52.160 I love learning. You have so much of it. I 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:55.640 have so much of it in learning rocks. I'm not 1:36:55.760 --> 1:37:01.719 pro ignorance, correct, What I am against is what higher 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:06.000 education has become as far as it's a scale like 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:09.680 odd business, and like you were saying, Jamie about just 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:12.000 sort of the shift in the in the job market 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:16.479 of like our generation now needs an advanced degree for 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:20.759 entry level positions versus what our parents needed. So people 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:24.519 noticed like, oh, there's now like this supply and demand 1:37:25.200 --> 1:37:28.879 thing that we can completely exploit. And I mean, tuition 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:34.720 rates increase like dramatically every single year. Sometimes if I 1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:39.080 really want to feel awful, I will google like annual 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:44.560 tuition rate for Boston University for just a lot of 1:37:44.600 --> 1:37:48.320 private schools cost fifty eight thousand dollars a year just 1:37:48.400 --> 1:37:53.479 in tuition sixty thousand, sixty four thousand, Like it's obscene. 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:56.080 There's so much complicity, And I like, Glin, I don't 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:58.960 disagree with your point that like, not everyone, I mean, 1:37:58.960 --> 1:38:01.400 and Shellie you were seeing not everyone, Like if you 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:03.640 have first of all, if you don't know what you 1:38:03.640 --> 1:38:05.479 want to do when you're seventeen years old, you are 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:10.040 normal and you don't like yeah that is so it 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:12.719 blows my mind. It blows my mind. It's like they're 1:38:12.720 --> 1:38:14.560 you're seventeen and they're like, okay, so what are you 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:15.720 gonna do for the rest of your life? Are you 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:19.439 ready pick It's just like no, I don't know. No, 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:23.559 so like you should be allowed the grace to and 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:26.280 then like but then it creates this wild issue where 1:38:26.280 --> 1:38:27.559 it's like, well, what are you going to do in 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:29.320 the meantime if you can't get a job without a 1:38:29.320 --> 1:38:32.400 college degree, and like it just is a fucking whatever 1:38:32.439 --> 1:38:35.439 that fancy word for sank eating its tail is, it's 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:38.439 that But I don't know. Yeah, But then there are 1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:40.360 like I do agree with Caitlin where there's like some 1:38:40.400 --> 1:38:42.320 things where it's like, I don't know, I went to 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:45.960 Emerson and I should be ashamed of that, and I am, 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:52.080 but they horrible school after disgusting what I mean, I 1:38:52.520 --> 1:38:56.400 really like whenever I'm grateful I got to go to college, 1:38:56.439 --> 1:38:59.240 I would not do that again. But it's partially because 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:02.840 it's like that school now offers like a comedy standard 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:05.679 and they will let wait, they will let a kid 1:39:05.840 --> 1:39:08.800 go into six figure debt when the answer is go 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:11.640 to an open mic, open mic and humiliate yourself and 1:39:11.680 --> 1:39:14.400 it's free like that kind of shit. You're like, that's 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:17.679 just like a predatory and a them problem with sixty 1:39:17.720 --> 1:39:20.200 thousand dollars a year and they're like, will you speak 1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:22.439 to them? I'm like, no, no, because you all you're 1:39:22.439 --> 1:39:24.559 gonna do is get on stage and be like don't 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:28.720 do this. But I think that's the thing too, and 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:31.799 they'll just like cut your mic and you're just written 1:39:31.880 --> 1:39:36.320 to like no, no, no, that wasn't very funny, was it. Well, 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:38.920 I guess I didn't learn a lot. I think that's 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:42.040 the thing too that a lot of colleges are doing, right, 1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:43.920 Like I never kind off topic, we're not really on 1:39:44.439 --> 1:39:46.840 topic about the movie, but like that's another thing that 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:49.760 colleges are doing. I think they're figuring out that we 1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:52.320 or people have figured out that they don't need to 1:39:52.320 --> 1:39:54.519 go to college to do certain things. Like you said, 1:39:54.720 --> 1:39:57.160 a sixty thousand dollars a year to pay to learn 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:59.400 how to be a stand up comedian. I cannot believe 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:02.120 that that's an actu degree. Like that blows my mind. 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:03.920 I'm sorry, but like you know, you're going to be 1:40:04.000 --> 1:40:07.759 learning from exclusively failed stand up comedians. That's not gonna 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:11.000 be But I think that's what they're doing. It's just 1:40:11.040 --> 1:40:14.320 like they're very aware that people are going other routes 1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:16.439 to do the things that they want to do. So 1:40:16.479 --> 1:40:19.800 I think a smarter kid, especially of this generation with 1:40:19.960 --> 1:40:23.639 parents who our millennials, will be like, Okay, you want 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.439 to be a standup comedian. Sure, that's fine, but I 1:40:26.479 --> 1:40:28.559 would rather pay for you to go take a two 1:40:28.600 --> 1:40:32.880 thousand dollars year class at second City versus sixty thousand 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:37.160 dollars a year at a major college for four years 1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:40.040 to do the same thing. So I think colleges are 1:40:40.040 --> 1:40:43.040 also they're just trying to use their names that they 1:40:43.080 --> 1:40:46.519 have at these degrees and these programs to be like, 1:40:46.760 --> 1:40:48.799 you still have to go to college to do whatever 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.439 it is you want to do. You still have to 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:53.280 go to college, because that's insane to me. I did 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:56.400 not know that you could actually get a degree in 1:40:56.600 --> 1:40:59.679 stand up comedy from Emerson College. That's I will never 1:40:59.680 --> 1:41:02.640 shut up about it. To be clear, I do not 1:41:02.720 --> 1:41:06.000 have this degree, and I'm not used to participate. But like, 1:41:06.439 --> 1:41:08.840 I don't know, Like I think ultimately, like I think 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:12.640 something that that Peg is not affected by, and I 1:41:12.640 --> 1:41:16.160 think that her character is supposed to be gen Z. 1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:18.280 Also like this movie could take place in any year. 1:41:18.280 --> 1:41:21.160 I don't really know. You don't see people using phone 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:25.120 like cell phones anyways, But it seems like she's like 1:41:25.520 --> 1:41:27.880 sort of a gen Z coded character, and I did 1:41:27.920 --> 1:41:31.240 appreciate that, Like I don't know, like when I couldn't 1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:36.160 go to the ridiculously overpriced college that I would have 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:39.240 been in debt forever if I had gone on. The 1:41:39.280 --> 1:41:41.320 reason I went to Emerson was because they offered me 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:45.960 a big scholarship and so that was really lucky. But like, anyways, 1:41:46.080 --> 1:41:49.840 like the I took it so personally. It felt like 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:53.880 a personal failure that I couldn't go where I thought 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:56.960 I was supposed to, and like so it felt personal, 1:41:57.439 --> 1:42:00.120 and then it I also just was not educated it 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:03.599 on my options whatsoever, and like there was so much 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.800 stigma and like shame if you couldn't do the thing 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:09.000 you thought you're supposed to do. And it seems like 1:42:09.040 --> 1:42:13.080 Peg does not suffer under that as the movie goes on, 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:15.600 like she's just like, well, I'm not like it. It 1:42:15.760 --> 1:42:22.400 is the system, it's not me, So what can I do? Yeah? Yeah, um, 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:25.479 I wanted to just really quickly. I don't really have 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:29.320 much to say about this other than I just think 1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:36.639 that the romance between Peg and Graham feels pretty wedged in. Yeah, 1:42:36.800 --> 1:42:38.880 I don't mind that like Graham is there as a 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:43.400 character kind of you know, like representing whatever some kind 1:42:43.439 --> 1:42:47.920 of like institutional like also like the failure of like 1:42:48.520 --> 1:42:51.320 the legal system in the US. I feel like could 1:42:51.360 --> 1:42:56.000 have maybe been better represented in his character. But I'm 1:42:56.040 --> 1:42:59.560 just like why it doesn't, Like the story only suffers 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:03.600 it was weird, that character was so weird, and the 1:43:03.640 --> 1:43:08.080 story suffers from like trying to like put them together, 1:43:08.200 --> 1:43:10.120 and I'm just like, none of this makes any sense. 1:43:10.200 --> 1:43:13.120 Like you're constantly talking about how this is a conflict 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:16.759 of interest and it is, so why are you together? 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:19.600 I think they thought that if they were going to 1:43:19.720 --> 1:43:23.559 make her such this kind of character, that they had 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:27.080 to give her a romance, right, but which I do 1:43:27.200 --> 1:43:29.679 like hate, but I would have really loved if instead 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:31.640 of making him because I agree it's one of the 1:43:31.680 --> 1:43:33.880 things about the film that I'm kind of like, this 1:43:34.000 --> 1:43:37.240 is weird. Instead of making him like a romantic interest, 1:43:37.280 --> 1:43:38.680 I think it would have been coage just to keep 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:41.839 him as this other lawyer that it just like happens 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:45.800 to always be around because he's involved in this debt 1:43:45.880 --> 1:43:50.240 collecting like situation, you know what I mean. Yeah, it 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:53.559 didn't have to be romantic it could have been a 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:56.679 little bit more comedic, and but yeah, it was kind 1:43:56.720 --> 1:44:00.400 of weird, especially because they kept acknowledging that they not 1:44:00.920 --> 1:44:05.000 and would not work out like they consistently did it, 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:08.040 So it was really weird to me. But yeah, it 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:10.719 was kind of like thrown in there, and she didn't 1:44:10.720 --> 1:44:13.400 need a romance. I don't think Peg needed one in general, 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:16.439 or was seeking one or wanted one. But I think 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:18.839 when it came to the script, they were like, well, 1:44:19.479 --> 1:44:24.160 we can't make her a girl boss and single, right 1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:26.719 right pick a lane Peg, which is like wow, because 1:44:26.720 --> 1:44:30.240 that sounds like something PEG's mom would say randomly, like absolutely, 1:44:30.400 --> 1:44:32.479 I agree, Like I don't think that the love story 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:35.920 was necessary, but also it was like it was once again, 1:44:35.920 --> 1:44:37.840 I was just like a little confusing because it seemed 1:44:37.840 --> 1:44:40.680 like at first she was like using him, which she 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:42.640 was for most of the relationship, but then at the 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:44.400 end it's kind of like flipped and they're like, well, 1:44:44.400 --> 1:44:46.760 but she does love him. I'm like, I was not 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:48.759 really picking up on that. It seemed like she would 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:50.439 go to be like, hey, do you want to have 1:44:50.479 --> 1:44:53.800 sex when she needed to steal something from the DA's off, 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:56.960 Like that was almost exclusively what it was, and which 1:44:57.120 --> 1:44:59.400 that feels more consistent with her character, but again it's 1:44:59.400 --> 1:45:00.960 like a third act finger at the end, she's like, 1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:02.880 I think he's my boyfriend, and you're like, I don't 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:06.000 know if you like him, Like what do you have 1:45:06.040 --> 1:45:08.720 anything in common? Like, But that would have been great too, 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:11.280 to keep her as this selfish person who is just 1:45:11.360 --> 1:45:14.280 very much being like I need some files. I'm just 1:45:14.320 --> 1:45:16.479 gonna do this, But I don't think they were gonna 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:19.160 They weren't too keen on keep making peg that way 1:45:19.200 --> 1:45:22.320 in like every aspect of her life, which yeah, they 1:45:22.360 --> 1:45:24.680 wanted to like redeem her just enough by the end 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:27.040 of the movie, yeah, which and I do I do 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:29.800 like the kind of like half redemption of like she 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:32.240 doesn't be like I'm gonna go I'm gonna like I'm 1:45:32.320 --> 1:45:35.760 a second grade teacher. Like she's like, I think that 1:45:35.920 --> 1:45:38.679 like where she ends career wise at the end really worked. 1:45:39.040 --> 1:45:40.479 But it was like the little things like that of 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:42.840 like and now she's in a relationship and now she 1:45:42.880 --> 1:45:45.320 has a better relationship with her family, and it's like, yeah, 1:45:45.400 --> 1:45:50.040 she can still be an asshole, like you know for sure, 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:52.519 but I don't know. Um, the one last thing I 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:55.160 wanted to say about this movie is so it's a 1:45:55.200 --> 1:46:00.519 comedy from twenty nineteen, and I think you can tell 1:46:00.600 --> 1:46:03.919 that it's a far like it's a more modern comedy 1:46:04.400 --> 1:46:09.519 compared to comedies of you know, the nineties and early 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:14.519 in mid two thousands, because, as we've discussed so many times, 1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:18.200 so much of the comedy in comedy movies of those 1:46:18.200 --> 1:46:23.040 eras rely on a lot of punching down humor, yeah, 1:46:23.040 --> 1:46:27.720 whereas this one generally avoids that. The only thing that 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:32.400 really stuck out for me was a remark that was 1:46:32.560 --> 1:46:38.120 kind of judgmental towards sex workers, where a character says 1:46:38.120 --> 1:46:40.800 something like, oh, would you trust a lawyer that pays 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:44.280 for sex? And she's like no. There's a little bit 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:46.720 of a little bit of body stuff as well. There 1:46:46.720 --> 1:46:50.800 are a few offhand comments about weirdly Sal's body, which 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:53.040 is the screenwriter, so I'm guessing that he was okay 1:46:53.040 --> 1:46:56.160 with it, given that he wrote the joke, but whatever, 1:46:56.240 --> 1:46:58.120 there's like a comment about his body. And then there 1:46:58.200 --> 1:47:01.799 is also, like I think, a pretty hardshum and overly 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:05.280 simplistic reason about why her father died. They were like, well, 1:47:05.280 --> 1:47:08.320 he ate unhealthy and so he died and they're like, well, 1:47:08.320 --> 1:47:13.000 that feels a little you know, overly simplified. But but yeah, 1:47:13.000 --> 1:47:14.720 I mean I mean in terms of like I mean 1:47:14.760 --> 1:47:17.599 even like a movie that would have come out ten 1:47:17.720 --> 1:47:21.639 years earlier, in oh nine, I mean, it's uh pretty 1:47:21.680 --> 1:47:25.479 close to Night and Day. Although you know, there there 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:29.439 are it's still centered around a white family and most 1:47:29.439 --> 1:47:34.280 people of color are sort of relegated to smaller roles. Um. 1:47:34.320 --> 1:47:38.400 But again, it's it's better than where are we Where 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:40.280 where we were? Which is another thing where it's like 1:47:40.920 --> 1:47:43.920 I wish people knew about it and saw it when 1:47:43.960 --> 1:47:46.120 it came out, because it would be great to have 1:47:46.680 --> 1:47:52.320 more rompy, funny broad comedies that have like some kind 1:47:52.320 --> 1:47:54.360 of conscience come out, Like it would be cool to 1:47:54.360 --> 1:47:56.200 see those movies do better. So there's more of them, 1:47:56.600 --> 1:48:00.639 for sure, you know, room for improvement, but also miles 1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:06.400 ahead of what we were exposed to in earlier years. Yeah, 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:12.960 does this movie pass the Bechtel test? It super does. Yeah. Yeah, 1:48:13.000 --> 1:48:18.000 there's there's no way around it, folks. It passes about 1:48:17.880 --> 1:48:21.880 it passes handily. Combinations of characters we don't even need 1:48:21.880 --> 1:48:23.639 to break down how many, because it's usually like if 1:48:23.640 --> 1:48:26.599 there are two women in the script. They I believe, 1:48:26.640 --> 1:48:29.240 all are all named, and they all talk to each other. 1:48:29.320 --> 1:48:34.599 So thrill usually about money, usually about money and crimes 1:48:34.600 --> 1:48:39.000 and scams and ethics. And you know, there are conversations 1:48:39.000 --> 1:48:41.600 that reference the boyfriend, the brother, and the father, but 1:48:41.720 --> 1:48:44.920 they are, I would say, in the minority of conversations. 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:49.760 And now to the only metric that truly matters, the 1:48:49.840 --> 1:48:53.840 nipples scale, Caitlin, what are you giving Buffalo on the 1:48:53.920 --> 1:48:57.400 nipple scale? Um, well, on our scale zero to five nipples, 1:48:57.439 --> 1:49:00.519 where we rate the movie based on looking at it 1:49:00.560 --> 1:49:06.040 through an intersectional feminist lens, I would give this I 1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:10.200 guess like a three and a half because you know, 1:49:10.400 --> 1:49:13.439 like we discussed, it's it's a movie that allows a 1:49:14.560 --> 1:49:22.080 like ethically complicated woman to exist and explore her, like 1:49:23.240 --> 1:49:26.720 all the moral ambiguities that she's dealing with in her 1:49:26.760 --> 1:49:30.559 work and her life, which most stories don't make any 1:49:30.640 --> 1:49:33.479 room for, in a way that like I didn't mention 1:49:33.520 --> 1:49:35.400 this earlier, but it's like, I feel like this could 1:49:35.400 --> 1:49:37.519 be sort of seen as like a girl Boss narrative, 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:39.240 but I feel like it's only truly a girl Boss 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:44.040 narrative if the movie is endorsing the crimes which I 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:47.680 don't think this movie is this like no, so I 1:49:48.120 --> 1:49:51.360 feel like it's, um, it's all it. Yeah, I just 1:49:51.439 --> 1:49:53.679 wish it was like I mean, I wish more people 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:56.280 knew about it and hopefully this a little I mean, 1:49:56.280 --> 1:50:00.479 this episode is gonna just freaking what a pub felicity 1:50:01.080 --> 1:50:04.800 moment for this movie now that no, I'm kidding, but um, 1:50:05.240 --> 1:50:08.120 I should send us an edible arrangement for this. I 1:50:08.120 --> 1:50:12.679 swear to god, I think you, Zoe, But I think 1:50:13.160 --> 1:50:16.599 because there are like issues with just like it's kind 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:22.360 of a sloppy script and the characters are extremely cartoonation inconsistent, 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:24.720 and there's just some like kind of storytelling things. I 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:27.880 feel like it won't like stand the test of time 1:50:27.920 --> 1:50:31.599 the way that like people still revisit movies like Wolf 1:50:31.600 --> 1:50:37.360 of Wall Street and Short and these like male centered premises. 1:50:37.479 --> 1:50:43.240 Unfortunately those movies do fucking sad. Yeah, I know, and 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:46.680 this one doesn't quite rule quite so hard just from 1:50:46.680 --> 1:50:50.000 like a quality standpoint. So I feel like it'll be 1:50:50.080 --> 1:50:54.439 kind of like yeah, yes, yes, so, but um yeah, 1:50:54.479 --> 1:50:57.599 I'll give it three and a half. Um, I'll give 1:50:58.600 --> 1:51:03.880 one two. Francis, her pal that she met in the 1:51:03.960 --> 1:51:09.160 pen in the clink Wow, I'll give one to so Yeah, 1:51:09.439 --> 1:51:13.799 Oh my gosh, I'm so cool. I'll give one to Backer, 1:51:14.000 --> 1:51:18.200 the other woman she befriends from prison. Um, I'll give 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:20.799 one to Judy Greer, and I'll give my half nipple 1:51:21.160 --> 1:51:28.520 to the rotting infested buffalo. Yeah, that was a metaphor 1:51:28.560 --> 1:51:33.120 for something. I was like, Oh, okay, fine, we liked them. 1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:36.439 I'll go three and a half as well. Um. I 1:51:36.479 --> 1:51:38.439 think that this is a movie that's heart in the 1:51:38.520 --> 1:51:40.760 right place. I've never seen a movie like it. I 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:43.320 agree that the execution is a little all over the place, 1:51:43.479 --> 1:51:46.400 is a little sloppy, but I think I mean, I 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:49.880 really like the vibe this movie has, which is like 1:51:50.600 --> 1:51:54.960 talking about something that is serious in a lighthearted, rompy way. 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.760 I feel like that is like super super super the 1:51:57.800 --> 1:52:01.800 best way to or like a really effective way to 1:52:02.160 --> 1:52:05.200 start conversations like this of like not feeling like you're 1:52:05.200 --> 1:52:07.519 going to a lecture or like you're going to school, 1:52:07.840 --> 1:52:09.519 or even like you're in a fucking cry, but it's 1:52:09.560 --> 1:52:15.160 like you learn about something that affects most people in 1:52:15.200 --> 1:52:18.280 a way that is goofy and fun and accessible. I 1:52:18.320 --> 1:52:21.559 think it's cool. I yeah, like we're just talking about 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:24.519 I think that like Peg, you know, I'm not always 1:52:24.720 --> 1:52:27.280 rooting for her, but I feel like her predicament is 1:52:27.320 --> 1:52:30.559 contextualized and that her you know, crimes aren't endorsed, but 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:32.519 we also know why she's doing it. But it also 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:34.560 isn't like an overly like I am mommy thus I 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:37.000 crime kind of thing. I just thought it was cool. 1:52:37.479 --> 1:52:42.800 I thought the Triman Fowler character was incomprehensible, but that's 1:52:42.840 --> 1:52:47.479 not his fault. He he did his job, but the 1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:50.559 character was so confusing. That Judy grig character was at 1:52:50.560 --> 1:52:55.840 times confusing, like like in terms of who she was 1:52:56.000 --> 1:52:58.760 and what she was about. But I liked the relationship 1:52:58.800 --> 1:53:01.679 between I think like this movie, it was at its 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:04.679 best for me when it was like looking at money 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:10.040 and um generational stuff and class like that's where it 1:53:10.160 --> 1:53:13.120 really really succeeded. M and I would love to see 1:53:13.120 --> 1:53:15.600 more movies like this and very glad we got to 1:53:15.640 --> 1:53:17.160 cover it. So I'm gonna give it three and a 1:53:17.200 --> 1:53:20.639 half nipples. Uh and I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna give 1:53:20.680 --> 1:53:23.559 one to the rotting buffalo head. I'm gonna give one 1:53:23.640 --> 1:53:27.639 to Jermaine Fowler's dirty underwear. I'm gonna give oh, yes, 1:53:27.880 --> 1:53:32.200 one to the secretary who didn't care about anything, and 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:35.440 then I'll give my last half to Judy the waitress 1:53:36.000 --> 1:53:45.759 and oh so iconic Danny's it's an American institution, Shelley, 1:53:45.800 --> 1:53:49.240 what do you think? Okay, I'm gonna go with three. 1:53:49.600 --> 1:53:51.360 I do want to say I gave it four and 1:53:51.360 --> 1:53:53.880 a half on a letterbox, but that's just because I 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:55.840 was just like in such a good mood after watching it. 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:59.800 Their first people are gonna come for you. This is 1:53:59.840 --> 1:54:03.880 a life change, this is life changing. I was like 1:54:03.920 --> 1:54:06.799 four and a half, but I would do three. One 1:54:06.960 --> 1:54:10.840 it's just for Judy Greer in general, like Judy Greer 1:54:10.920 --> 1:54:15.360 being a part of this movie in general. The second 1:54:15.400 --> 1:54:22.080 one is because I really like seeing a not so kind, 1:54:22.800 --> 1:54:26.839 super moral girl when it comes to movies about money 1:54:27.040 --> 1:54:30.160 and debt, in collecting money and all that kind of stuff. 1:54:30.520 --> 1:54:34.280 And the third one is for I'm going to say 1:54:34.320 --> 1:54:37.240 the wardrobe. I know that, so Stu, but I know 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.560 it looks in the credible fits are good, So I'm 1:54:40.560 --> 1:54:42.960 going to say like three total. But I thought it 1:54:43.040 --> 1:54:46.280 was like super great and I really do enjoy that 1:54:46.320 --> 1:54:48.640 it was. I mean, we keep saying it, but Women's 1:54:48.680 --> 1:54:52.600 History Month, I really do like them. A movie about 1:54:52.640 --> 1:54:54.600 a girl who's kind of an asshole when it comes 1:54:54.600 --> 1:54:57.360 to money, and she's not. She just wants it. She 1:54:57.520 --> 1:54:59.520 wants it to want it. She doesn't want it to 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:02.640 like sol of World Hunger or to like rebuild the 1:55:02.680 --> 1:55:07.160 community center or anything like that. She just wants it 1:55:07.400 --> 1:55:10.600 because she wants money. And I really like that. And 1:55:11.040 --> 1:55:13.840 I like what it taught about, like debt and collecting 1:55:13.880 --> 1:55:16.800 and money in general. So three yeah. I love that 1:55:16.840 --> 1:55:20.160 it had like such a clear like mission too, and 1:55:20.240 --> 1:55:22.640 like that there its main character could still be a 1:55:22.720 --> 1:55:24.760 huge asshole, and I feel like it pulled it off 1:55:24.760 --> 1:55:28.200 the mission. Like I learned shit watching this serie. She 1:55:28.400 --> 1:55:33.800 was a complete jerk, but I did learn stuff. I 1:55:33.840 --> 1:55:36.840 got verified on some information that I already knew that 1:55:36.960 --> 1:55:40.520 was very happy about, which made me want to tell 1:55:40.600 --> 1:55:43.120 people about it even more. And I also think that 1:55:43.200 --> 1:55:45.920 Zoe's just a really good actress. I think she's just 1:55:46.000 --> 1:55:48.200 like good at what she does. I think she's pretty 1:55:48.240 --> 1:55:51.440 talented too, But I dug it, I really like it. 1:55:51.680 --> 1:55:55.520 I can't believe I learned so much about Buffalo's and Wings. 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:59.840 What the fuck? It was so fun to watch your 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:05.520 people in real time by that, You're like, it literally was. 1:56:05.640 --> 1:56:09.760 I haven't had that feel like it's so because I 1:56:10.040 --> 1:56:14.280 was not attached to that. It was the greatest. Shelly, 1:56:14.320 --> 1:56:16.000 thank you so much for joining us, Thank you for 1:56:16.000 --> 1:56:18.760 bringing us this movie. Um, if you're if you're looking 1:56:18.800 --> 1:56:21.240 to watch it, it's on It's on Hulu. It's easy, 1:56:21.360 --> 1:56:26.040 it's accessible Ulu. Yes, and Shelley, where can we follow 1:56:26.280 --> 1:56:30.640 your work and follow you online? Plug away? I gotta 1:56:30.680 --> 1:56:32.840 hate this part. I'm so hate part. I'm going to 1:56:32.880 --> 1:56:35.240 be great at this part. Um. But I'm on Twitter. 1:56:35.800 --> 1:56:39.640 Hi Shelley on Twitter, and then I'm on Instagram. Ao Shelley, 1:56:39.840 --> 1:56:42.520 A y O s h e O I, and then Hi, 1:56:43.320 --> 1:56:46.600 Hi s h e I on Twitter. Usually i just 1:56:46.600 --> 1:56:49.480 share all my work there on Twitter, and I'm always 1:56:49.520 --> 1:56:53.280 like having some discourse that I'm not really invited into. 1:56:53.680 --> 1:56:55.960 But or I try to start it and then I 1:56:56.080 --> 1:56:59.080 it happens and then I just leave and then you Yeah, 1:56:59.240 --> 1:57:01.440 I love to start a conversation on the mute. It's 1:57:01.480 --> 1:57:03.120 one of my favorite things to do to start it 1:57:03.120 --> 1:57:04.720 and then be like, oh, I don't want to be 1:57:04.760 --> 1:57:07.400 here anymore. This was just a passing thought about this movie. 1:57:07.560 --> 1:57:11.960 I've actually fucked this by everybody, and you're like, actually, 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:13.960 see you the fuck later. I don't want to talk 1:57:13.960 --> 1:57:17.520 about this anymore. I've been a huge must. Most recently, 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:24.200 I'm I'm on a Eurovision. I love Eurovision, and so 1:57:24.520 --> 1:57:28.240 I'm like trying. I'm mostly talking about Eurovision on Twitter 1:57:28.320 --> 1:57:33.160 right now because I've personally ranked all thirty seven songs. 1:57:35.040 --> 1:57:39.400 Oh you're that kind of on Twitter right now? I am, 1:57:39.560 --> 1:57:43.640 and I personally have ranked all thirty seven songs and um, 1:57:44.120 --> 1:57:46.800 but yeah, it's great. But that's mainly where I'm at. 1:57:46.880 --> 1:57:49.800 I'm never leaving Twitter, I even want it explodes. I 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:52.640 will probably still be there in the ruins talking about 1:57:52.680 --> 1:57:56.040 some movie that no one's ever seen, like Buffalo. So me, 1:57:56.240 --> 1:57:59.040 I was like, I truly think of I'm like, we're 1:57:59.160 --> 1:58:01.360 like the Bad going to with the Titanic. You're like, 1:58:01.400 --> 1:58:06.960 look we are, We're two brain damaged to not be there, 1:58:07.120 --> 1:58:09.200 So it is that it is. We're guys, stay here. 1:58:09.240 --> 1:58:11.200 And I also love that you worked in a Titanic 1:58:11.280 --> 1:58:17.280 reference like oh, right under the wire. Right had to 1:58:17.280 --> 1:58:22.080 make it happen. Thank you for having me. I love 1:58:22.120 --> 1:58:24.000 the Big Back, and I'll be back to talk about 1:58:24.080 --> 1:58:27.240 job Breaker please. Ye. So excited. We're so overdue for 1:58:27.240 --> 1:58:30.280 a job breaker episode, so we'll have you then, yay. 1:58:30.320 --> 1:58:35.520 And you can follow us on social media Instagram, Twitter, 1:58:35.920 --> 1:58:41.400 at Bechtelcast. You can go to our Matreon at patreon 1:58:41.520 --> 1:58:45.920 dot com slash Bectelcast, where you'll get two bonus episodes 1:58:46.040 --> 1:58:51.520 every month. 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