WEBVTT - US Offers Ukraine Security Guarantee; Brown University Shooter Remains at Large

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here

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<v Speaker 2>are the stories we're following today.

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<v Speaker 3>Karen, we begin with the latest on the effort to

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<v Speaker 3>end the war in Ukraine. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski says

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<v Speaker 3>he has an agreement with the US to make security

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<v Speaker 3>guarantees legally binding through a vote in Congress as part

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<v Speaker 3>of a deal to end the war with Russia. Zelenski

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<v Speaker 3>expects the US to consult next with Russia, while Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 3>negotiators may return to America for weekend talks. President Trump

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<v Speaker 3>says the conflict is nearing resolution.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we're closer now, and they will tell you

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<v Speaker 4>that they're closer now. We had numerous conversations with President

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<v Speaker 4>Putin of Russia, and I think we're closer now than

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<v Speaker 4>we have been ever.

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump made those remarks after he talked to a

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<v Speaker 3>gathering of European leaders yesterday hosted by German Chancellor Friedrich Meritz.

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<v Speaker 2>Now to the latest on the death of actor director

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Reiner. Nathan, the Hollywood Icon's son is being held

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<v Speaker 2>this morning in the stabbing deaths of his father and mother,

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Singer Reiner in their Brentwood home. Here's Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 2>Police Chief Jim McDonald.

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<v Speaker 5>Nick Reiner a suspect in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>He was subsequently booked for murder and is being held.

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<v Speaker 2>LA Police Chief Jim McDonald says prosecutors will decide charges

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<v Speaker 2>for Nick Reiner later today. He's being held without bail.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Rinder's death has led to an outpouring of tributes

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<v Speaker 2>in the entertainment and political worlds. Reiner was a longtime

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<v Speaker 2>donor to democratic and liberal causes. President Trump is reacting

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<v Speaker 2>to Reiner's death with scorn.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was

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<v Speaker 4>a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump spoke after he claimed on social media that

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<v Speaker 2>Reiner died of quote Trump derangement syndrome that sparked backlash

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<v Speaker 2>from some of the president's fellow Republicans. Conservative commentator Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Ericson drews with Republican calls for civility after the death

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<v Speaker 2>of Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Karen the Manheunt continues this morning for the shooter

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<v Speaker 3>in the mass shooting at Brown University. The shock over

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<v Speaker 3>the rampage that killed two students and wounded nine others,

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<v Speaker 3>is giving way to frustration over the investigation. A person

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<v Speaker 3>of interest who has detained over the weekend has been released,

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<v Speaker 3>and police and Providence, Rhode Island have yet to name

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<v Speaker 3>any new suspect. Since Talia Levine is a student at Brown.

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<v Speaker 6>Overall, the sentiment amongst students has just been deep rooted

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<v Speaker 6>distress and fear that this could happen in a place

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<v Speaker 6>that we consider so safe in our home.

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<v Speaker 3>Brown's student Talia Levine, spoke as police released three more

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<v Speaker 3>videos and two photos of a suspect wearing dark clothing,

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<v Speaker 3>a cap and a face mask. Here's Rhode Island Governor

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel McKee.

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<v Speaker 7>We want to make sure that all Rhode Islanders know

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<v Speaker 7>that everything is physically possible is being done and partnering

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<v Speaker 7>in with our federal the FBI, our state law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 7>and also the local law enforcement to bring an individual

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<v Speaker 7>and identify and bring that person to justice.

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<v Speaker 3>Governor Daniel McKee and other officials have said there's no

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<v Speaker 3>clear security camera footage from the building where the shooting

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<v Speaker 3>took place, and that has hampered the search. The FBI

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<v Speaker 3>is offering fifty thousand dollars for information that leads to

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<v Speaker 3>an arrest and conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Nathan, let's get the latest now and the terror

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<v Speaker 2>attack in Australia. Authority say early indications point the attack,

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<v Speaker 2>which killed at least fifteen people at a Bondai Beach

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<v Speaker 2>Honika celebration, was inspired by the Islamic State. Again, more

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<v Speaker 2>on the information on the father and son attackers from

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<v Speaker 2>Bloomberg's Angus Whitley in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 8>They did travel to the Philippines last month, though it's

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<v Speaker 8>not clear what they did there or where specifically they went.

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<v Speaker 8>But they have found too homemade ISIS flags in a

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<v Speaker 8>car they suspectly belonged to the two gunmen. And that's

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<v Speaker 8>pretty much all they're willing to say. But in the

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<v Speaker 8>in the update in the press conference this afternoon, they

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<v Speaker 8>were really bombarded and want with questions because there's so

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<v Speaker 8>many unanswered questions about the response to antisemitism, about the

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<v Speaker 8>police presence. There was heavy enough for security.

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<v Speaker 2>Heavy enough, and Bloomberg's Angus Whitley says. Labor Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albinisi rejected criticism of his handling of escalating attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>while urging Australians to rally around the Jewish community well Karin.

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<v Speaker 3>The US military has attacked three more alleged drug boats,

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<v Speaker 3>killing a total of eight people. US Southern Command says

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<v Speaker 3>the strikes were carried out in the Eastern Pacific at

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<v Speaker 3>the direction of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. The operation has

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<v Speaker 3>raised questions about whether the strikes violate international law and

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<v Speaker 3>whether the boats were actually carrying Fentanel Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump is suing the BBC for at least ten

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars over what he claims was a misleading edit

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<v Speaker 2>in their documentary last year. The Eddie gave the impression

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<v Speaker 2>the President made a direct call for violence in his

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<v Speaker 2>speech ahead of the attack on the US Capitol on

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, twenty twenty one. Bloomberg'sy went Pos reports from.

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<v Speaker 5>London donalds on Stephan.

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<v Speaker 9>Lawsuit against the BBC was filed yesterday in federal court

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<v Speaker 9>in Miami. The US President says he's suing the broadcaster

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<v Speaker 9>for quote putting words in my mouth. The Panorama documentary

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<v Speaker 9>made it appear that Trump told his supporters they should

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<v Speaker 9>walk down to the Capitol and fight like hell. In fact,

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<v Speaker 9>he said they should cheer on our brave senators and congressmen.

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<v Speaker 10>And women.

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<v Speaker 9>The fight like hell remark was from a much later

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<v Speaker 9>part of the speech. Trump's lawyer claims the incident is

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<v Speaker 9>part of the BBC's long standing pattern of manipulating President

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<v Speaker 9>Trump's speeches. The BBC has previously apologized the President but

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<v Speaker 9>rejected his demands for compensation, saying there is no basis

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<v Speaker 9>for a defamation claim. In London, I'm you in parts

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<v Speaker 9>Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay you and thank you. Let's turn now to the

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<v Speaker 3>markets and the economy. Futures are lower ahead of some

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<v Speaker 3>key economic data. Along awaited November jobs report that was

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<v Speaker 3>not released on time due to the government shutdown finally

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<v Speaker 3>comes out this morning. We get a preview now from

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg's Michael McKee.

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<v Speaker 11>This Job's report will be a bear for investors accustomed

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<v Speaker 11>to making snap trades when the data are released. The

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<v Speaker 11>usual bed is on the change in jobs and unemployment

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<v Speaker 11>compared with expectations and the last release. But the last

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<v Speaker 11>payrolls data we have is from September and we'll only

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<v Speaker 11>get half of the October release. The household survey with

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<v Speaker 11>unemployment figures will be missing because the data couldn't be collected.

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<v Speaker 11>Add to that, uncertainty about government employment after doze firings

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<v Speaker 11>and the government shutdown, that'll make analyzing the combined two

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<v Speaker 11>month report difficult. Still, it will be data, and it

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<v Speaker 11>will get a lot of attention on Wall Street, although

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<v Speaker 11>the FED will likely put much more weight on this

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<v Speaker 11>month's numbers. Reported on January ninth, Michael McKee Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio, all right, Michael, thank you, and company news. Ford

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<v Speaker 2>Motor Company is taking nineteen and a half billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>in charges as it pulls back sharply from electric vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>The company says it overbuilt battery capacity and underestimated how

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<v Speaker 2>hard it would be to make evs profitable. As part

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<v Speaker 2>of the shift, the automaker is canceling a planned electric

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<v Speaker 2>F series truck while shifting production toward gas and hybrid vehicles.

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<v Speaker 2>Fords CEO Jim Farley spoke to Bloomberg.

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<v Speaker 12>It was really the customer changing their decision. You know,

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<v Speaker 12>we saw hybrid's really take off last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 12>Like you know, last month about well, we had thirty

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<v Speaker 12>percent increase in our hybrid sales. We're now number three

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<v Speaker 12>in our I think we're eighty percent hybrid market share

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<v Speaker 12>and trucks. So we saw this happening. We also saw

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<v Speaker 12>the more expensive evs, you know, really suffering the market,

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<v Speaker 12>and the more affordable evs to do better.

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<v Speaker 2>For Its CEO Jim Farley, notes that the EV unit

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<v Speaker 2>lost five point one billion dollars last year, with more

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<v Speaker 2>red ink expected in twenty twenty five. Still, Ford raised

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<v Speaker 2>its profit outlooks and cost cuts and a shift and

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<v Speaker 2>more profitable vehicles are paying off. Get the full conversation

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<v Speaker 2>on the Bloomberg Podcast channel on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>Karen the nasdac's looking to extend trading hours on its

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<v Speaker 3>stock venues to twenty three hours a day during the

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<v Speaker 3>work week. The firm has asked the Security an Exchange

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<v Speaker 3>Commission from Parission to add an additional trading session from

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<v Speaker 3>nine pm to four am Eastern time. Other exchanges have

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<v Speaker 3>also outlined their own paths to extend trading hours on

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<v Speaker 3>their venues, including the New York Stock Exchange, which plans

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<v Speaker 3>to offer twenty two hours a day of trading.

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan and bi partisan group of senators is making a

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<v Speaker 2>long shot bid to break a stalemate over healthcare subsidies,

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<v Speaker 2>while also acknowledging that time has run out to pass

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<v Speaker 2>legislation before the credits expire.

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<v Speaker 9>At the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>The political uncertainty surrounding the future of the covid era

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<v Speaker 2>subsidies complicates matters for millions of consumers facing out of

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<v Speaker 2>pocket costs doubling or more. If lawmakers can agree on

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<v Speaker 2>a path forward. The current open at Roman period expires

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<v Speaker 2>January fifteenth. House Minority Leader HOCKEYM. Jeffrey slammed his GOP

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues for refusing to extend the credits from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 13>Republicans have made their intentions clear. They don't want to

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<v Speaker 13>see the Affordable Care ACTAX credits extended because they don't

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<v Speaker 13>support providing affordable healthcare to everyday Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>AUS Minority Leader HOCKEYM. Jeffries Republican Senator Susan Collins, who's

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<v Speaker 2>part of the bipartisan talk, says a vote could happen

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as early next year. She says that could

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<v Speaker 2>trigger a new or expanded open enrollment period for the

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<v Speaker 2>Obamacare exchanges. Time now for a look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other stories making news in New York and around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, and for that we're joined by Bloomberg's John Tucker,

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<v Speaker 2>John good mordeh.

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<v Speaker 14>And Good Morning Karen Hedge. Fund billionaire Stephen Cohen is

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<v Speaker 14>among those winning formal approval to open casinos in New

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<v Speaker 14>York City. That story this morning from Bloomberg's Charlie Pennett.

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<v Speaker 10>It marks the first time in the city's modern history

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<v Speaker 10>that full scale gambling parlors will operate legally in the

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<v Speaker 10>Five Borrows. The decision by the New York State Gaming

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<v Speaker 10>Commission culminates a decade long process to allow as many

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<v Speaker 10>as three new casinos to be built in the city

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<v Speaker 10>and its surrounding suburbs. That sets the stage for two

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<v Speaker 10>project in Queens and one in the Bronx. State officials

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<v Speaker 10>have estimated gaming revenue from the three casinos could reach

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<v Speaker 10>five and a half billion by twenty thirty three in

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<v Speaker 10>New York. Charlie Pellot Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 14>Leading Jewish groups in the United States are urging all

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<v Speaker 14>Jewish organizations to increase security measures at public events as

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<v Speaker 14>follows the deadly mass shooting in Australia. The APE says

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<v Speaker 14>the groups advised that Jewish public events should be open

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<v Speaker 14>only to people who had been screened after pre registering.

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<v Speaker 14>President Trump says he's reclassifying fence and al and his

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<v Speaker 14>latest push to ratchet up pressure on Latin America over

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<v Speaker 14>a drug trafficking The Trump administration waide a similar designation

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<v Speaker 14>in the president's first term, which allowed the Department of

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<v Speaker 14>Homeland Security to access money for detecting and eliminating weapons

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<v Speaker 14>of mass destruction if The Trump administration said in a

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<v Speaker 14>court filing yesterday that the President's White House ballroom construction

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<v Speaker 14>project must continue for unexplained national security reasons. The administration

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<v Speaker 14>also says theist organization that wants to stop it, there's

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<v Speaker 14>no standing. The filing was in a response to a

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<v Speaker 14>lawsuit filed last Friday by the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

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<v Speaker 14>Global News twenty four hours a day and whenever you

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<v Speaker 14>want it with Bloomberg News Now. I'm John Tucker, and

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<v Speaker 14>this is Bloomberg Karen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Sean time now for our Bloomberg Sports update, and

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<v Speaker 2>for that we bring in John stash Hour.

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<v Speaker 15>Thanks Karen. Pittsburgh Steelers were down three ninety then scored

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<v Speaker 15>twenty eight straight points and the Steelers beat the Dolphins

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<v Speaker 15>and Mother Night Football twenty eight to fifteen. Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 15>a couple of touchdown passes. Pittsburgh scored three tds in

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<v Speaker 15>a thirteen minute span of the second half at eight

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<v Speaker 15>and six. They lead the Ravens by one game. NBA

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<v Speaker 15>in Utah, the Jazz beat the Mads in overtime, but

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<v Speaker 15>the Dallas rookie Cooper Flags scored forty two points. He's

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<v Speaker 15>eighteen years old. He's the youngest in NBA history to

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<v Speaker 15>score forty. The Knicks play the Spurs tonight in Las

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<v Speaker 15>Vegas for the NBA Cup. That's for Bloomberg Sports Update.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay with us. More from Bloomberg day Break coming up

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<v Speaker 10>Good morning.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Nathan Hager. An end to the war is closer

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<v Speaker 3>than ever before. That's what President Donald Trump is saying

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<v Speaker 3>after the latest talks between US, Ukrainian and European negotiators

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<v Speaker 3>on resolving the conflict with Russia. Ukrainian President Vladimir Lensky

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<v Speaker 3>says he has an agreement with the US on security guarantees,

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<v Speaker 3>but the issue of territory remains a sticking point.

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<v Speaker 10>Nish BRUSHTI.

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<v Speaker 16>Of course, not all aspects are simple. There are complicated

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<v Speaker 16>things in particular the topic of territories. Undoubtedly everyone is

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<v Speaker 16>raising this topic and it's important that we all work

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<v Speaker 16>to ensure that things like that are absolutely fair.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was Ukrainian President vladimir's Lenski speaking through an

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<v Speaker 3>interpreter from Berlin joining us from Brussels this morning is

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<v Speaker 3>Bloomberg Senior Europe correspondent Oliver Crook and all you not

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<v Speaker 3>to put you on the spot, but is Ukraine closer

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<v Speaker 3>than ever to a deal after these talks? Good morning,

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<v Speaker 3>good morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean quite possibly they're closer than ever, but they've

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<v Speaker 5>never really been close, so it may not be saying

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<v Speaker 5>quite as much as the president has been saying. That

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<v Speaker 5>being said, I think that the main thing that's changed

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<v Speaker 5>over the last couple of weeks is the United States

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<v Speaker 5>talking so openly and I think probably in greater detail

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<v Speaker 5>about what a security guarantee for Ukraine would look like

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<v Speaker 5>backed by the United States. For Zelenski, as far as

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<v Speaker 5>he's concerned, these security guarantees are absolutely essential because it's

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<v Speaker 5>one thing to have a cease fire, it's one thing

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<v Speaker 5>to end the war, but what good is that if

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<v Speaker 5>you're just going to get reinvaded in two to three years.

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<v Speaker 5>So for him, it's really about creating an architecture and

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<v Speaker 5>a mechanism by which if there is an invasion ever

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<v Speaker 5>in the future, there is something there that is triggered

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<v Speaker 5>that actually prompts action from NATO. And what they want

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<v Speaker 5>is these Article five like guarantees. The Article five within

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<v Speaker 5>the NATO clause is the one that is an attack

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<v Speaker 5>on one is an attack on all. And the idea

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<v Speaker 5>is there would be some sort of triggering mechanism that

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<v Speaker 5>would enlist the efforts of NATO immediately, unlike what happened

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty two. If ever, there is another we

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<v Speaker 5>should say that we do not have a clear expression

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<v Speaker 5>of what Article five like actually means, but we do

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<v Speaker 5>understand that they won this from the United States and

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<v Speaker 5>that there would be Congress that would also enshrine this

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<v Speaker 5>into law. And of course that's super important to the

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<v Speaker 5>Ukrainians because they did have the Budapest Memorandum back in

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen ninety four when the Ukrainians surrendered their nuclear arms,

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<v Speaker 5>that massive deterrent in order to preserve their sovereignty that

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<v Speaker 5>was guaranteed by the US and the Russians, that of

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<v Speaker 5>course was violated.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess this puts the ONUS now or the attention

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<v Speaker 3>on how Russia could respond to this. Of course, Russia

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<v Speaker 3>has been adamant against Ukraine joining NATO, But what about

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of an Article five like provision for Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that something that Russia potentially could be on board with.

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<v Speaker 3>So potentially, I mean, it depends how it's defined.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, the Article five like status of it from

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<v Speaker 5>a defensive perspective is just you know that the US

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<v Speaker 5>would say, why would you care Russia? If you know

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<v Speaker 5>your attention is not to further in evade Ukraine, then

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<v Speaker 5>then this should be something that doesn't bother you. What

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<v Speaker 5>will bother the Russians. This is why it will not

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<v Speaker 5>be a member of NATO Ukraine. That is is, they

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<v Speaker 5>do not want to have NATO to have free access

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<v Speaker 5>to go into Ukraine, to send troops, to send hardware

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<v Speaker 5>at kind of whatever level they sort of they desire to.

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<v Speaker 5>They also don't want Ukraine to get a seat at

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<v Speaker 5>the table at the sort of NATO table in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of governing policy. Potentially there is a way forward, but

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<v Speaker 5>we should say that NATO is potentially the initial sort

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<v Speaker 5>of instigating a reasoning for the invasion of Ukraine that

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<v Speaker 5>the Russians have put forward saying that it's one of

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<v Speaker 5>these sort of real reasons that they felt that NATO

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<v Speaker 5>expansionism was really a threat to Russia. So this is

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<v Speaker 5>a very delicate question, a very delicate balance to reach.

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<v Speaker 5>But again the United States feels pretty confident that they

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<v Speaker 5>understand both the positions of the Ukrainians and are trying

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<v Speaker 5>to bridge it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just thirty seconds left, Ollie, what about the territory issue?

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<v Speaker 3>That does seem like it's still a pretty big sticking point.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's still the number one issue. It's still

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<v Speaker 3>obviously a main contention point for the Russians and the Ukrainians.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ukrainians have said they basically will not give up

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<v Speaker 3>any additional territory to the Russians, though the Ukrainians seem

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<v Speaker 3>to have potentially a little bit on that. The Russians,

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<v Speaker 3>for their parts, say they don't even want to have

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<v Speaker 3>a discussion about a ceasefire, let alone a peace agreement

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<v Speaker 3>without the entirety of the Donbass being donated to the

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<v Speaker 3>Russians and surrendered in some way. Again, the Americans are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to sort of fudge that and to find the

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<v Speaker 3>Free Economic Zone Demilitarized Zone, for example, but they have

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<v Speaker 3>not found an agreement on that quite yet.

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