1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Welcome the Cannabis Talk one oh one featuring Blue and 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Joe Bronde, the world's number one source for everything cannabis. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Oh, welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one, the world's 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: number one source for everything cannabis. 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to our. 6 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Talk show all around the world, and make sure you 7 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: check out our website Cannabis Talk one on one dot 8 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: com as we have so many great articles and blogs 9 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 2: on the site for you to enjoy, and make sure 10 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 2: you give us a call anytime one eight hundred and 11 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: four twenty nineteen eighty and check us out of course 12 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: on YouTube, Instagram, all social media at Cannabis Talk one 13 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: on one. My brother from Another Mother, Blue is up 14 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: the number one Christopher Wright. 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And I mean 25 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 2: he's part of the media, so he's kind of like 26 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: family in my book, right. I mean, I couldn't click 27 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: him on the zoom to save my life. 28 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 3: Folks. It was a Joe cook In. 29 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: This was like the old guy and the young guy 30 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: coming on his zoom for the first time of like 31 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: I've ever done this before, but on zoom. 32 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 3: Is Zach Ruskin an. 33 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: Award winning journalist reporter best known for his sensational byelines 34 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 2: of course on cannabis, good old weed, music, books, and more. 35 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: And you can find this dude's articles in big, big, 36 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: big ones like the San Francisco Chronicle, Variety, Rolling Stone, 37 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: Vanity Fair, Washington Post, amongst a bunch of other things. 38 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: He's also worked as a copywriter for clients like Vogue, 39 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: Glasshouse Brands, and Pastidio Trust in San Francisco. You can 40 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: learn all about Zach and his website at Zacheruskin dot com, 41 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: zac k r u ski n dot com, and make 42 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: sure you follow him on Twitter and ig at Jack 43 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: Ruskin to catch up with everything that he's got going on. 44 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: Without further do, Zach, thank you for coming on to 45 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: the show with us. Dude, I love that you're working 46 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: with the San Francisco Chronicle because I'm from the Bay Area. 47 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: Right that's a huge publication, I mean, number four market 48 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: in the country. 49 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: So kudos to you, Doug. You look really young. 50 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: I grew up in the Bay Area, so San Jose 51 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: born and raised. I don't know if you know this. 52 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: I've worked in San Francisco for years. There was a 53 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: show called The Doghouse way before your time on Wild 54 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: ninety four nine. Before it was ninety four nine, it 55 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: was Wild one oh seven, and I used to work 56 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: there right there on Townshend in Green Street. So you know, 57 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: I have a lot of Bay Area routes that are 58 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: deep for me. So with you, I know you didn't 59 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: grow up in the but I don't know, did you 60 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: grow up in the Bay or where are you from? 61 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 3: Originally, Yes, I did. 62 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 4: In fact, I'm actually speaking to you from Marine County, 63 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: which is where I'm from. 64 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 5: Uh. 65 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: Currently watching my dad's dog, but that has me in 66 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 4: one of the true cannabis epicenters of the world in 67 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 4: my humble opinion, as far as the counterculture goes, so well, you're. 68 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: Not too far from the good old Trifecta because for 69 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: those who don't know where he's at, he's just north 70 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 2: of San Francisco, across the Golden State gate Bridge, right, 71 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: so it's like, oh, well, then he's closer to the Trifecta, 72 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: like you know, he's actually on that direction. So it's 73 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: kind of cool that you're from there. I didn't realize this, 74 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, we're raised in the Bay Dog then and 75 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: riding like this, where'd you go to school? 76 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: Tell me more about you? 77 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah? 78 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: Absolutely so Marine County for anyone who doesn't knows, across 79 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 4: the bridge. And I went to school in San Anselmo, 80 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 4: which is one of the counties here. It's next to 81 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: San Refel, which, for cannabis history buffs is where the 82 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 4: Waldos are from. They went to Santra Fell High School 83 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 4: and are credited with creating the term four twenty. 84 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: Back in the nineteen seventies. And then yeah, I was. 85 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: I was in middle school in town called Fairfax Whitehill. 86 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: Went to what was once known as Sir Francis Drake 87 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: but is now known as Archie Williams High School, which 88 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: is in Sana Samo. I like to say, went all 89 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: the way to U see Santa Cruz for college and 90 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 4: then came back and have lived in San Francisco proper 91 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: ever since. So, yeah, the Bay Area runs deep in 92 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 4: my blood, both like professionally but also personally, which is 93 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: certainly no coincidence. And if you like to write about weed, 94 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: you really aren't going to find any shortage of topics 95 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: living in this neck of the woods. 96 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: And not only that, Zach, you went from Marine San 97 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: Francisco to Santa Cruz, which arguably can be considered the 98 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: other mecca of cannabis right as you went there, and 99 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: you found out firsthand because you and I could talk 100 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: about this and people can listen around the world going, oh, 101 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know Santa Cruz is that other spot. Oh, 102 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: you better believe it is in those hills. It is, 103 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: in my opinion, the secondary to the trifecta. 104 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: I mean, didn't you concur. 105 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: I absolutely there, and especially with how long or deeply 106 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 4: rooted some of the medical growths that have been there 107 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: and have been helping people out, especially at times when 108 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: they really had no other options. Certainly in a pre 109 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: legalization world for California, you just have these like really 110 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: really incredible people that have more or less devoted their 111 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 4: lives to it, and you know, up until the last 112 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: handful of years here, a profit wasn't even a possibility, 113 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: let alone in consideration. So when you have that as 114 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: your your baseline, you really see a really cool cannabis 115 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 4: community kind of grow from that. 116 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 5: And I definitely felt that. 117 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: Santa Cruz is a crucial, if underrepresented piece of the 118 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 4: California you know, cannabis story overall. 119 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that undercredited. And as 120 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: you go there and as you get to you know, 121 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: receive awards. In twenty twenty three, you were a San 122 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: Francisco Press Club Award, I mean Best Newspaper Feature in this, 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: then twenty twenty California Journalists Award Best Column of this. 124 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: I mean, your accolades are great. You look young. It's awesome. 125 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: You're from the Bay, you go to Santa Cruz, you 126 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: learn about weed. I see it, doc. I'm so happy 127 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: that I looked at your LinkedIn and then you could 128 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: attest to, you know, the cannabis feel and vibe in 129 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: the Bay Area, which to me, in my opinion, like 130 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: I see in yours, it's almost second to none. I mean, 131 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: when you look at the world and you think of 132 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: where the best canopis comes from. We are fortunate, right 133 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: we look at this, Zach. We come from California. I 134 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 2: born in San Jose. You're border, but we're borth to 135 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: the Bay Area where some of the best we the 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: four twenty came from. Like all these things came from 137 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 2: our Bay Area up bringing, right. And it's crazy when 138 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: we say this because it's just what we know, right, Like. 139 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: We know killer weed, why because that's what grew around. 140 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: We also know seats and the Mexican sas and the 141 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: bricks and you know, we we know this because it 142 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: was shipped in there. But we in the Bay Area 143 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: and my opinion as well, growing up there, because you know, 144 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: I started smoking when I was six years old in 145 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: the Bay Area in San Jose. And you know I 146 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: went to James A High School, San Jose State all this, 147 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: and then I worked at a show called The Doghouse. 148 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: I was on. 149 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: Stage smoking blunts before anybody was on stage smoking blunts. 150 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 2: Dog And as you right, we want to talk because 151 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: look at the history. I want to send you some 152 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: videos of the Doghouse right back in the night of 153 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: me on stage smoking blunts and started up when nobody 154 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: was doing that and the only reason why I got 155 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: away with it. 156 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: You ready for this? 157 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: How did joke get away with that? Well, before I 158 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: got into radio, I was a bouncer. I was the 159 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: head of security and knew all the cops and all 160 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: the bouncers, so they let me get away with murder 161 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: and everything. 162 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: Else I wanted to do with the clubs. So it's 163 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: so crazy that back in the day the doghouse was 164 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: the one smoking wheat on stage and everybody like wasn't 165 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: were so many pulps out there. 166 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: Yep. 167 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying, Zach, do your job and investigate 168 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: on this one, because I think I remember roll the 169 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: dice and say, I mean instead, you know, there's a 170 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: lot of cats when you go to these events. 171 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: The reggaated this and that raw. 172 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: States, but for commercial style going on stage at the clubs, 173 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: at the Sound Factory and all these other places. 174 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: You know, Uh, City Knights and Uh, I was that 175 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 3: guy doing it bringing it to the to the. 176 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: Bay Area on stage on a very popular, you know, 177 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: pop level. 178 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: Uh with that. 179 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: But I love the fact that you're doing this and 180 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: on that pop level of everything, right, Like you're the 181 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: culture now you're the guy which is dope. And I'm 182 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: glad I'm talking to you, Zach, because how and why 183 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: did you want to become the guy? I know you're 184 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: from a rin, you go to Santa Cruz. It's almost 185 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: like you're perfectly molded for it, right, like it kind. 186 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: Of and I was like, I don't know, it just 187 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: kind of molded me. 188 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: It's like I can see that, But give me more, Zach, 189 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: Like what why cannabis and why writing? 190 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: What got you to do that? 191 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: Absolutely it was mainly an incredibly fortuitous series of circumstances. 192 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 4: But I will say that I agree with you in 193 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 4: that my pedigree which also included, you know, enjoying cannabis myself, 194 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 4: I can sure the first time I smoked weed was 195 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 4: after attending the S and SLMs Carnival, which is in 196 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: Santa and some and coming back home with a little 197 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 4: bit of it and trying it with two friends and 198 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: being blown away. But I'm very glad that my first 199 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 4: experience with weed was in Marin it feels appropriate. And 200 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: I went to college majoring in creative writing, working on 201 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: like fiction, short stories, something in that realm. But by 202 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 4: the time I graduated, I saw that there was a 203 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: lot more immediate opportunities to actually see my words be 204 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: on the page in people's hands in the field of journalism. 205 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 4: Loved music for as long as I can remember, and 206 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 4: went to far too many shows as far as my 207 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 4: wallet was concerned for as long as I can remember, too, 208 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: So it was a music writing that got me in 209 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: the door. And then a now dearly departed website and 210 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: print alt weekly called SF Weekly was a I started 211 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: writing for, covering concerts, all sorts of different things, and 212 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: they had a cannabis columnist who very again fortuitously left 213 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: in October of twenty sixteen, which was one month before 214 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: Prop sixty four was voted in. So I was asked 215 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 4: by my editor based on like a vay per view 216 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: I'd done to fill in for someone if I'd be 217 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: interested in trying my hand at that column, and basically 218 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: got the reins for it a month before weed was legalized. 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 5: Now, those who know. 220 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 4: We'll be aware that we didn't truly become legal until 221 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: January first, twenty eighteen. But I mean just there was 222 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: a bajillion things to report on, and then once we 223 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 4: actually had a legalization in effect, I found myself really 224 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 4: drawn to all the equity owners and apple cans who 225 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: were trying to ensure that they could have a fair 226 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 4: piece of a pie that they'd any cases, been previously 227 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 4: punished for or had family members punished for, or both 228 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 4: or worse. So, given the Bay Area was this epicenter, 229 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: I felt it was really important to try to talk 230 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: to anyone who was opening a dispensary under an equity 231 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 4: license and give them a chance to share their story. 232 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 4: And I was SF Weekly as we'd column this for 233 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 4: six years, writing a weekly column until the paper Savvy 234 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 4: went under in I believe twenty twenty one. But that 235 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: was easily like the foundation of everything. And then once 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: you sort of create a rolodex of weed people, the 237 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 4: stories just kind of start raining down and you have 238 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 4: to find enough places to write them. 239 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 5: All for it. 240 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: And that's what's cool about it, because it's perfect timing, 241 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: perfect preparation. 242 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 3: You every degree and look right. 243 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: And it's like all these things are like luck is 244 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: one thing, and god and call it everything else. But 245 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: you had to have the degree, you have to have 246 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: the skills, you have to have the personality, and then 247 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: the luck and everything falls into place. So when something 248 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 2: like that happens for you to you I just look 249 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: at it and go, Zach, that's awesome. That's what I 250 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: like to hear from anybody out there to do what 251 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: they love to do, right, Like you went to college 252 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: for this hands, I went to college for radio, television film. 253 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: It's before we're doing. 254 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 2: We're asked individuals to do this. And if you want 255 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: to work in cannabis and you're out there, you still 256 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: can't look at Zach Zach's writing about cannabis. 257 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 3: Right. We're gonna take a break real quick, Zach. When 258 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: we come back, I want you to ponder. 259 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: That mind of yours, right, and I want you to 260 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: tell me one of those stories that stick out where 261 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: cannabis was used as medicine and that first time you 262 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: realize that, Wow, I just smoke this to get high, 263 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: and now. 264 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm seeing that this is real medicine. How did that 265 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 3: story come to your head? It's Cannabis Talk one. I want. 266 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this. 267 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: Sat follow Due at one. Christopher Wright followed Joe Grande 268 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: at Joe grun Day fifty two. 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Yeah, how 290 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 3: we are from the Bay right, so it's like. 291 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 2: We grew up though in an area where we got 292 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: to see aids hit us. 293 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: It was probably before your time. 294 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: You're a little younger than me, but I seen it, 295 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: and I seen cannabis in our alcohol growing up as 296 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: kid rubbing alcohol, so I got to realize that. And 297 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: I didn't realize at the time what I realized, but 298 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: as an adult, I realize now that that's when I 299 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: was first introduced. Well, I was first introduced to cannabis 300 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: at six, smoking and then using it as rubbing alcohol. Probably 301 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: before that, but it was always a part of my 302 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: household as well, right, and then seeing it as medicine though, 303 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I really got older, older when 304 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: I'm seeing like the Charlotte Twebbs, the epilepsies of this 305 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: and that of like whoa, and then the you know, 306 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: then you get older and you're in the Bay Area 307 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: and you see how you know, this whole aid's epidemic 308 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: is really kind of what pushed this whole legalization. But 309 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: as you as a writer that you come up and 310 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: you've gotten big articles and you've got tons of people 311 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: that want to share their stories with you, and so 312 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: many different things of anecdotal evidence of why cannabis is great. 313 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: Because now you become the guy in the last x 314 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: amount of years in the Bay Area that everybody wants 315 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: to go to because you're the platform to tell that story, 316 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: whether it's I'm an owner of a place that you're 317 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: the guy that everyone wants to talk to. So Zach, 318 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: when did you hear a story and give me the 319 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: story that was like, oh this one, Joe. 320 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you actually really hit the nail on 321 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: the head and that it was such a formative moment 322 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: for me. It was early in my tenure writing for 323 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: SF Weekly, as I mentioned, this San Francisco alt weekly 324 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: that managed to come out in print every week, which 325 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 4: now feels like a miracle in hindsight. 326 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 3: They do what who did? 327 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: And one of the many privileges we have living in 328 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 4: the Bay Area is being in the vicinity several really 329 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: highly regarded film festivals. One of them is the Mill 330 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: Value Film Festival, which takes place here in Marin and 331 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: I recall being invited to a screening of a film 332 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 4: called Weed the People, and it essentially shared the story 333 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 4: of this woman named mar Gordon and her incredible work 334 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 4: helping mainly children with titration related to cannabis to help 335 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: a variety of extraordinarily serious illnesses epilepsy, cancers. And not 336 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 4: only was the documentary eye opening in terms of literally 337 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 4: being able to see how these people were responding in 338 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: ways that were visible on screen, but also being confirmed 339 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: by what they were saying. But just the dedication required 340 00:16:54,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 4: to understand cannabis at such a nuanced level anyone who 341 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 4: may not know titration refers to the ratios you use 342 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 4: in terms of how much THC, CBD and even beyond 343 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 4: that you know which form of those things you're giving. 344 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 4: It can be a really nuanced process to find the 345 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 4: perfect ratio for any given patient. And just that film, 346 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: which I believe is on Netflix, it was last I checked, 347 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: Was The People really transformative? 348 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 349 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 5: It was a really transformative moment for me. 350 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 4: Not like I wasn't aware of cannabis's medicinal value before then, 351 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 4: I certainly was, but I think the visual evidence of 352 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: what it was doing to help people through such serious 353 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 4: ailments was a major revelation. 354 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, It's funny, Zach, that you get to tell 355 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: me about what we've interviewed to people that made that. 356 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 3: Movie, Right, were people? 357 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: And as I look at these documentaries and I look 358 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 2: at everything and think of how easy accessible it is 359 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 2: for everyone nowadays to really see the medical benefit like 360 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: you just mentioned, and for the propaganda to still be 361 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: out there today, and you know, and I'm not gonna 362 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: lie either. As for me myself, like, it wasn't until 363 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: like I've always been a fan of cannabis, but like 364 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 2: me personally, like I got sober in the Bay Area too, 365 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: So I've been sober twenty five plus years. Right, I 366 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: don't drink and I actually don't smoke flour, but I 367 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: use the oils and babes in that because it's you know, 368 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: my issues. I mean, I'm like a real programmed you know, 369 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm like I can't right, but I respect the plant everything. 370 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: So my point is though as I was sober, as 371 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: I am still sober, whatever whatever, I never felt the 372 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 2: disrespect for the plant of like, oh it's a drug. 373 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: I've always felt like this, Oh no, it's great for people. 374 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: There's so beneficial, so beneficial. But it wasn't until actually, 375 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: since I came here to be honest that cannabis talk 376 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: going I want and seeing the real people come up. 377 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I seen like this guy named 378 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: Joe G from MJ's Wellness and he brought like real 379 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: anecdotal patients stuff with pictures of videos like you said, 380 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: kind of like when you watched Weed for the people, right, 381 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: And then you meet people like I'm sure you've met 382 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: several and so many, and you know, like you meet 383 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: Jaden from Jaden's Journey, who's a Bay Area kid and 384 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: you know his dad is from San Francisco and they 385 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: live in now you know, the East Bay. 386 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 3: But you just see these things and you just get so. 387 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: Overwhelmingly odd with I had no ideac can help this epilepsy, 388 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: this seizure, this function non functioning human, non functioning walking 389 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: just silent into lapping and smiling. And can you imagine 390 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: being a parent of a child that way? Like I 391 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: think of that and see that as I have children 392 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: and go you. 393 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: Do anything for them. 394 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: And when we see that and you do that and 395 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: you get to write about things like that, that's to me. 396 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: About the biggest beneficial thing. I mean, you know, every 397 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: anything else. 398 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,479 Speaker 2: It is so cool and great, especially even the props 399 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: that you know, the where you get to go out 400 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 2: and interview every owner that's been a false you know, 401 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: wrongly incarcerated or incarcerated at the time for what it was, 402 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: the bullshit of just weed, no gun, no nothing, and 403 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: you get fucking ten years. 404 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: It's just stupid right for what an ounce a week? 405 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: Come on, it's. 406 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 2: Just ridiculous right where you think of things like that 407 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: that you get to see Besteve when we're in the 408 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 2: bay and now everybody just turns a. 409 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: Blind eye and if you're still locked up for it 410 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 3: and you're just like, oh my god. 411 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: But it's just it's really cool that you get to 412 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: see these things, right about these things, and you know, 413 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: get rewarded for these things as well. 414 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen some of the rewards awards that 415 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: you've gone. 416 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: The one thing that I want to lean on now 417 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: is we want to take a break and come back. 418 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 3: It's all online now for you. The paper is gone. 419 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: It's the It's almost like you said, people go, what 420 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 2: is this? We do a magazine, Cannabis Talk magazine. There's 421 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: magazines out there. I want your opinion, zach On. You know, 422 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 2: is the paper a thing that could come back? Is 423 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 2: it something that you think should there? Because I still 424 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: believe you know some people walking. 425 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's gonna to talk what I want. 426 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 3: We're gonna roll something up and come right back with that. 427 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this break. 428 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 5: Do you want to hear your name down it out 429 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 5: Live on the Hill. 430 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: Come on to any times. 431 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty and leave on the point. 432 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 5: Mail. 433 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Make sure you like, follow and subscribe to Cannabis Talk 434 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: one o one. 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It's uh really an honor to talk to guys 461 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: that do what you do because, like you know, you 462 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: get to cover all the cool things in the Bay 463 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: and the Bay Area has so much history, from the 464 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: Jimmy Hendrix to the Grateful Dead to keeping it going 465 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: to Hippie Hills to you know, you just name it. 466 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm born and raised in the Bay so 467 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 2: I know it and we know the I mean, we 468 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: built this city on rocking roll. It's so much like 469 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: history there, right from the four twenty reference to music, 470 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: to cannabis to the trifecta, I mean, the best cannabis 471 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: in the world, to Santa Cruz being the second spot 472 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: and was still the same spot because it's California. It's 473 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: just a lot, right, like we lived in an area, 474 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 2: it's a lot. And considering magazines and newspapers were a lot, 475 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: and that's you're still young but that's what you came 476 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: up doing. And now, as I just talked to somebody 477 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: the other day, going, it's so funny that some of 478 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: the things that we learned are are gone. Meaning I 479 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 2: was editing on a tracks when I started splicing. No 480 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: longer ever going to be used again. That skill that 481 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: I learned, that degree in radio, television and film that 482 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: I got from Santise State that I had to learn 483 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 2: how to do that from is what it's used. They're 484 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: never going to do it. But newspapers are something that 485 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: we still get ads in. They're small, they're this, they're that. 486 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: The San Francisco Chronicle was a monster. That paper, you guys, 487 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: if you're not from the Bay area, was damn near 488 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: like one of those phone books. And if you're listening, going, 489 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: what's a phone book, Well, it's this big thing that 490 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 2: has a lot of paper and it was cool to 491 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: see and maybe you used it to help protect you 492 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: if you got in a gang fight, but put it 493 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 2: on your body or you hit somebody with it. But 494 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: the newspaper was one of those things you could throw 495 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: out a friend, read it, throw at your dog, spank somebody. 496 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 2: But it always had great content and it's something that 497 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 2: in my book, the San Francisco Chronicle is an iconic newspaper. 498 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: It's not a res no b no disrespect. I'm just saying, 499 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You're a California your friends 500 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 2: will b has some good article. It's good, But that's small. 501 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: That's just a chronicle number four market. 502 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 3: In the country. Dog, that's big. 503 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 2: How do you feel about that when it went away 504 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago as you're writing for it, 505 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 2: and you're like, it's almost like your identity is being. 506 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. So fortunately the Chronicle remains in print. 507 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 4: But SF Weekly, the all weekly, is the one that 508 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 4: went by the wayside on. 509 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 5: I think, I want to say, like the fall. 510 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 4: Of twenty twenty one, and it hurt a lot for 511 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 4: for one reason, you have a proper newspaper like the Chronicle, 512 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 4: which I'm also honored to get to write for, It's 513 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 4: going to cost money, as it should. That money goes 514 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: to pay folks like myself, photographers, editors, design layouts, the 515 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 4: people who you know print in the factories. 516 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 3: Et cetera. 517 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: But one thing that was cool about SF Weekly is 518 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: that it was free, and I think that helped disseminate 519 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 4: info that was included in each issue to a far 520 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 4: wider demographic of FOE. In a time when seemingly everyone 521 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 4: has a smartphone, I think it's still fair to remember 522 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,719 Speaker 4: that that's a financial obstacle for many people, and that 523 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,719 Speaker 4: providing free content as SF Week we did, is you know, 524 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 4: a great service when possible. So for me, I will 525 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 4: always think there's a place for print. I've worked in 526 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 4: bookstores for much of my career, sometimes supplementing my journalism work. Sometimes, 527 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: you know, before I got into that feel old, So 528 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 4: I also have a huge love of print as far 529 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 4: as it goes with book world. But I have no 530 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 4: beef with anyone who likes to read your books. I 531 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 4: just think we need both, and I think the same 532 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 4: is true with newspapers and magazines. But if you've ever 533 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: met a cannabis photographer who's good at their job, you'll 534 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: appreciate why we need print to put those gorgeous photos 535 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 4: of the nugs and hairs and you know, not even 536 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: relegating it to flour, the oils and waxes and butters 537 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 4: like those are photographs that deserve to be put in ink, 538 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 4: you know, So like if nothing else, there's why we 539 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: need print. 540 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: And you know, Zach, I messed up by said I 541 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: was supposed to say the San Francis that when I 542 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: didn't think it was the big paper. 543 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: You're right there, Yeah, no worries. 544 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: And you know, I remember getting that all the time 545 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: as a kid, because, like you said, they had all 546 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 2: the free and you could get hookers on their too 547 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: bad It's. 548 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: And everything else at that point that dog, I remember 549 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: it was. It was the Craigslist before the Craigslist. 550 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 5: I mean, absolut really what it was. 551 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: So it was a staple and stamp in my heart. 552 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: So that's why I'm saying what I see, what I'm 553 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 2: thinking about it. Oh, I missed it, and I wanted 554 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: to share so much about it because of I have stories, 555 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like everyone does, and I've 556 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: looked at just like everybody had the cool concert that 557 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 2: you never knew of that was going on on this whatever. 558 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: It was just so much eclectic news that those type 559 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 2: of things. Of course, now everything's online and you could 560 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: do it. You can put your stuff out there. But 561 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: it's just great that you go about it that way. 562 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: And now you're still doing it. You're still writing for 563 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: the San Franisco Chronicle, which is great. What are some 564 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: of the other stories, as you mentioned the first anecdotal 565 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 2: time you see that this is real medicine. What about concerts? Now, 566 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: what's that big concert that you covered? You know we 567 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: got the patient down. What's that big one? The big story? 568 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: The big Was it a concert that you covered? A 569 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 2: musician you spoke to? What's that story for you? 570 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 5: Zach oh Man? That is. 571 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 4: A question that yields many worthy answers. So I'll keep 572 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 4: it brief, but I'll give me away. 573 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 3: I know. 574 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 2: That's why it's so hard to say when people ask 575 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: me too, and then it's hard. 576 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: I get it hard. That good one. This was just 577 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: had so many check. 578 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 5: Marks, totally. 579 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 4: In the realm of musician I spoke to, with kind 580 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 4: of weed being a major theme of our conversation. Never 581 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: gonna get better than getting to talk to Willie Nelson. 582 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: That was a mind blow that I got that opportunity. 583 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 4: That was it? 584 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: Yep, see now that that's what I'm talking about. Dog, 585 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: Now that right there is pinnacle, a pinnacle Willie Nelson? 586 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: How did that go down? Tell me more? Please? 587 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 5: It was amazing. 588 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 4: He had as I'm sure most folks who pop into 589 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: legal dispensaries with regularity. No, He's put out a really wonderful, 590 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: wide ranging line of products, and I believe. 591 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: These reserves right, yeah, exactly, but I. 592 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 4: Mean, like there's flower, there's And to that point, I 593 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 4: spoke to him around the time he was releasing different 594 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 4: kinds of coffee and that you could actually it had 595 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 4: CBD in it, so it was coffee beans that you 596 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 4: would brew and get CBD out of it. And they 597 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: had a whole like Willie's line of different beans. And 598 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to basically reach out and say, 599 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 4: if by any miracle he'd like to, you know, speak 600 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 4: with SF Weekly about this. I think he had a 601 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 4: concert coming up, which is always a good tie in, 602 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 4: but I'm. 603 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 3: Going to be in town. Why not? 604 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I assumed it was never going to happen. 605 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 4: You had better things to do, And they said yes, 606 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 4: And somehow I found myself on the phone with him 607 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 4: for twenty minutes that I will never forget. He was 608 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 4: just as you would hope Willie Nelson would be. And 609 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 4: although I know it's pretty well known for anyone who 610 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 4: isn't aware, there's a very famous story about how he 611 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 4: wants a legen lee smoked weed on the roof of 612 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 4: the White House with Jimmy Carter's son, So I couldn't 613 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 4: miss my chance to ask Willy if there was any 614 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 4: truth to that, which he gave a very noncommittal, understandable 615 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 4: answer to. But I recommend everyone google that because there's 616 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: so many fun like deep dives people have done to 617 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 4: figure out if. 618 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 5: That actually happened. Personally, I'm positive it did. 619 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: Ooh, positive it did. I'm gonna take your word for Zach. 620 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: You interview the man, talked to him for a while. 621 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: We're gonna get to the high five right now. Zach 622 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: Ruskin Award winning journalist reporter for alt A Journal of California. 623 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: You got to check out all those articles. 624 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: And of course he's covering cannabis, he's covering music, he's 625 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: covering all this stuff. And you hear him, you see him. 626 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: He's the culture, you guys. He's what it's about. And now, Zach, 627 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: question number one, you kind of answered it. But I 628 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 2: don't know how old you were. You were at a 629 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: carnival with two friends, but how old were you the 630 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 2: first time you smoke to cannabis? And I believe you 631 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: might have got it from those two friends at the carnival. 632 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like twelve or thirteen one of those too, 633 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: and it was definitely like not in the sense that 634 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 4: people were egging me on to do it, but it 635 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 4: was pure pressure and that a group of friends I 636 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 4: didn't go with had gone earlier than me and smoked 637 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 4: weed for the first time and then told me they 638 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 4: had and I was like, oh, blieve. Yeah, I was like, 639 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 4: wait what we So I had to remedy that, and 640 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 4: they told me who they got it from, so I 641 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: hit the same person up and yeah, it was it 642 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 4: was like we weren't at the carnival Stoned. 643 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 5: It was just like we got it there and then 644 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 5: we were back at the house. 645 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: I'm speaking to you now from here in Marine County 646 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 4: and that's where we. 647 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: How ironic and wonderful. This is the first place you 648 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 3: smoked and we're doing the interview here, I thought, for 649 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: the facts, that's pretty pretty cool, pretty cool. 650 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: Question number two the High five was, Zach, what's your 651 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: favorite way to use cannabis? 652 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 5: I like to vape. 653 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 4: I really enjoy five ten thread carts. I specifically love 654 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: live resin. I don't like tasting distolate, So right now, 655 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 4: I am a huge fan of the carts that Shirbinsky's 656 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 4: is putting out. No, not a promotional plug here, just 657 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 4: a personal pref I think they're doing great work. But yeah, 658 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 4: things that kind of taste like that delicious live resin 659 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 4: terpens you look for in a five to ten thread, 660 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 4: that's my go to. But I'm agnostics in a sense 661 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 4: that edibles open to it. You know, flower absolutely, how 662 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 4: are we going to smoke it? Whatever you want to do, 663 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 4: But as far as my. 664 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 5: Go to, it's that. 665 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, I love Mario. I 666 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: think Serbnsky. 667 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: I used to party with him back in the days 668 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: at the club so he's originally from San Francisco. 669 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: He's a BA area boy right back in the day. 670 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: Dog we used to party at the clubs together, which 671 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 3: is crazy. 672 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, Sherbinsky, that's so ironic that you and he. 673 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 4: Came through so big with these because there's a lot 674 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 4: of there's a lot of carts that put the words 675 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 4: live resin in their label, and not all deserved to 676 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 4: have it, but there's certainly does. 677 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to hit them up today and say, hey, 678 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: you know what, I need some more of those carsons. 679 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: If somebody just brought you up, but I need to 680 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: try him. Three exactly craziest place you ever. 681 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 3: Used are smoked cannabis. 682 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 5: Ooh, I love that. 683 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 4: I'll give you one of my favorite smoking weed stories 684 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 4: of all time. 685 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 5: I was a junior at UC Santa Cruz and Santa Cruz. 686 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 4: I hope it's still the case, but certainly when I 687 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 4: was attending, was known for having one of the bigger 688 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 4: four to twenty celebrations, at least on the West coast. 689 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 4: I know Denver holds it down very hard as well, 690 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 4: but people would flock from you know, Seattle to San 691 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 4: Diego and all come hang out with us in Santa 692 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: Cruz that weekend so we can smoke weed at this 693 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 4: giant field at four twenty pm. After a couple of 694 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 4: years of that, those of us who were local were like, 695 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 4: what are we going to do to top it? And 696 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 4: we realized the best way would be to small oakweed 697 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 4: at four twenty am. And then the question was where, 698 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 4: and the answer was go to the Santa Cruz Beach 699 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 4: boardwalk and see how tough it would be to get 700 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 4: onto the swinging Viking ship and then have one of 701 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 4: our friends push it to start it going. And then 702 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 4: we had that tulip joints like where they're all. I 703 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 4: can't even describe it. I don't know how someone rolled it. 704 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 4: I could never I was worked hard. 705 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 5: But we lit like. 706 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 4: Three tulips simultaneously, like twelve of us on the Viking 707 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 4: ship on the Santa Cruz Beach boardwalk at four twenty am. 708 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 5: If any authorities are listening, this didn't happen. But yeah, 709 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 5: that's got to be. 710 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: The wildest Zach. 711 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 2: I love that story because I know the boat and 712 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 2: have those who've been a carnival, you know the same boat. 713 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 2: It's all the same boats everywhere, but I know exactly. 714 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 2: That's so fun and cool. 715 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 5: And for the record, by the time we left, nothing 716 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 5: was harmed. 717 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: No, yeah, you did wrong. 718 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 2: I mean, well, you just trespassed, but nothing was warm. 719 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: I mean, oh, we smoked and sat on a seat. Wow, 720 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: didn't break anything. For God's shakes, Yeah. 721 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 5: But what we made that choice? 722 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: That's a crazy place. 723 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: Question number four the high five was, Zach, what did 724 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: your go too munchies after you get high? 725 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 4: M great question. Pita chips and hummus are a big one. 726 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: On a slightly more sinful note, I am both blessed 727 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: and cursed to live within a block of a twenty 728 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 4: four hour donut shop. So's if things get too real 729 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 4: too fast. I know I can always get a chocolate 730 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 4: old fashion or like cinnamon twist within five minutes, which 731 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 4: is pretty nice. 732 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 3: But it will go to donut when you're high off 733 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 3: that rose. It will make you nice. 734 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean exactly, even a jelly donut. 735 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 4: I still think fondly of Garth from Wayne's World, sticking 736 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 4: a straw and drinking the jelly out of the center. 737 00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well the world. 738 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 2: Oh and not only that jelly donut, put it on 739 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: my nose, and just look the exactly I. 740 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 3: Just shout out. 741 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 5: All started down at Unclement. 742 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: There you go. Go over there, Marin and go see Zach. 743 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 2: Question number five of the High five Zach, if you 744 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: can smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who would 745 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 2: it be and why? 746 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:15,959 Speaker 3: Hmm. 747 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 4: For as long as I can remember, I've had an 748 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 4: obsession with Robert Ripley, who's the founder of Ripley's. Believe 749 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 4: it or not, he's this fascinating dude. Most people know 750 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 4: the museums, but he was a cartoonist and he drew 751 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 4: every single thing that went into the panels that became 752 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 4: his like comic strip that subsequently led to these museums 753 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 4: based on all the weird stuff he collected. 754 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 5: But he was this dude who. 755 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 4: Kind of like decided to go check out Far East 756 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 4: Asia and all these places at kind of the last 757 00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 4: possible moment before World War One centralized the globe in 758 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 4: a way that it's never since been separated from. He 759 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 4: was kind of like one of the last people to 760 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 4: go to some of these weird places. And yeah, he's 761 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 4: certainly someone that sounds like he's from the early nineteen hundreds. 762 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 4: It doesn't all translate perfectly to twenty twenty four, but 763 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 4: he was an exquisite artist. 764 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 5: He was born in Santa Rosa, so he's a local boy. 765 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 3: I didn't know that. 766 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 4: He's someone that just for like various reasons, I continue 767 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 4: to be utterly fascinated by. 768 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 5: So I'd like to smoke weed with Robert Ripley. 769 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 3: Dude. 770 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: That was a great answer and so well articulated on 771 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 2: giving me some stats in facts and history about him, 772 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 2: because everyone's heard Ripley's, believe it or not. But I 773 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 2: didn't know the story of who the guy Robert was 774 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: his name. I just know Ripley's believed or not. 775 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it was the Chronicle, but it 776 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 4: was one of the main Bay Area newspapers. You know, 777 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 4: they like changed names over the years, so like it 778 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 4: could be what's the Chronicle today. 779 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 5: But Ripley's start was in one of the. 780 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 4: Bay Area newspapers and before I was believe it or not. 781 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 4: It's just like a general crazy thing concept and started 782 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 4: as like crazy feats of sports, and then people were 783 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 4: so into it that he just needed more content. So 784 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 4: he just expanded beyond sports and the rest is history. 785 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: There it is, and I love me some sports. 786 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: Well, you could check out Zach's article of course as 787 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: a reporter on ALTA Journal of c A. Check him 788 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 2: out all there and just google his name z A 789 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 2: C K R U S K I N. There's so 790 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,959 Speaker 2: many fun articles, so many great things that he's done. 791 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 3: Zach. 792 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,240 Speaker 2: I can't wait for you to come to our facility 793 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 2: out here in Orange County. 794 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 3: Because I really believe you're gonna love it. 795 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 2: And uh, I just hopefully you could do something with 796 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: us with cannabis, talk one on one and everybody when 797 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 2: you've got something else that you're doing or you want 798 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 2: to talk about Joe, I got let's talk about some 799 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 2: more stuff because I know I could talk to you 800 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 2: every I could do ten shows with you want, because 801 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 2: we can pick another person to talk about another thing, 802 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 2: or what do you think about this? 803 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 3: What'd you find out about that? What did you learn 804 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: about this problem? Like you and I could just go 805 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: back and forth. 806 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 2: So when I was talking to this person, this is 807 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 2: so weird, and we could just fricking vibe with each other, 808 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 2: like I love. 809 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 3: That they're doing that, and they're doing that and what 810 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 3: did you learn about this? And what do you know 811 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 3: about what's going on over there? So my point is, Dog, 812 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 3: I think we just need to. 813 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: Chat once in a while and do shows because you're 814 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 2: so dialed into the Bay area and I like your 815 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 2: vibe and we could just chop it up on you know, 816 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 2: call me, get my number cell and Joe, let's talk 817 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: about whatever it is. 818 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And it's you. 819 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: You're a good voice for the Bay and the good 820 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,879 Speaker 2: voice for the people of all over the world. 821 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 3: I love you, brother. 822 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: At the time that end, and God bless it's cannabis 823 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 2: talk one on one. If nobody else loves you, we do. 824 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 2: Zach You're the man. 825 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 5: Brother, you too, Thanks so much. 826 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: I'm a great night YouTube brother. Take care. 827 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: Follow Cannabis Talk one on one on all social media 828 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: and Cannabis Talk one oh one. Thank you for listening 829 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: to Cannabis Talk one on one with Blue with Joe Bronde, 830 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: the world's number one source for everything cannabis, and make 831 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: sure you like, follow, and subscribe to Cannabis Talk one 832 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: on one now