1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast are heavy legged waist venders. 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hanson and I'm joined by room 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: filled with heroes, Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: What up, boys? How are you Friday? It's Friday. Get excited, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Big day? Win West's toast there later in the show. 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Everyone's excited. The tension in the room right now waiting 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: on the results, and you got when you have Tyson 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: and Tokyo. That's what I think with West. I feel 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: like he's gotten a little overconfident. We'll see if that 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: if that comes through, or whether he's actually Tyson in 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: the you know Michael Spinks era of his career where 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: he's just destroying everyone and and he's just on a 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: roll on West. He came into this is raw as 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: anyone on the phone. He's had a chance to go 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: through the crucible three or four times now. It's like 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: he's becoming a jeopardy. The more you win, you have 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: an inherent advantage. You know when to time the buzzer, 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: you know how to you know what kind of questions 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: they're asking. You kind of know the format. I feel 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: like I've earned this. There you go. Maybe you're Tyson, 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: just out of jail, just facing a bunch of tomato 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: cans who have no business being in the ring. You're like, yeah, 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: it's against Peter McNeely. I'm at Tyson without a Robin 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: Gibbons and without a Buster Douglas, um a couple of 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: other things. It's as you can tell listeners, it seems 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: like everyone is hunky dory in the room after the 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: heat over the Browns at the end of the last podcast, mark, 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: now that you've had a chance to simmer down, would 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: you would you like to say anything? Well, you know, 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: I left uh the studio feeling that I might have 32 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: gotten a little hot, But um I texted West right 33 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: after because you guys were hanging around. But he left 34 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: and I just said, listen, Pala, we're talking football. Got 35 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: a little crazy in there, But um, I did right. 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: And it's like I I mean, and it's like I 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: didn't want it to bubble over, but I listened to 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: it later, and you know what, I think we need 39 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: more of that. He did debate. It was honest, It 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: wasn't manufactured. There was just good football hashtag legit heat 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: and I liked it. Um, And of course we had 42 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: before we get into the show. We're gonna do some news, 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna go over a couple of offseason forecasts, and 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: then of course we're gonna get to win West's toaster 45 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the show. Um. One last thing 46 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: I was thinking about when you we had the Seahawks in. 47 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: We had Michael Robinson, Brandon Mebane, and Red Bryant, a 48 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: t L podcast, a t L debate club. Mount Rushmore 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: is a big topic right now. Who's on the Mount 50 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Rushmore of guests too to date? Right now? If you're 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna take it all the way back, I 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: put jim Brown's face on that. Jimmy Brown's on there, 53 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: Richard Sherman's gotta be on there. My favorite was Brandon Marshall. Marshall, 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm sick of the Mount Rushmore is in general, and 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: this has to be the easiest one to get on ever, 56 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: there's only been eight almost Brandon Marshall's my favorite. But 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,839 Speaker 1: Brandon lines listening right now, like what the hell I mean? 58 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: David Eally is almost in the conversation for didn't you 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: guys talk? Though you guys hate him? On the debate 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: clip now talked to Welker that wasn't too great. Heartline, 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 1: heartline should be happy. We just don't mention his involvement 62 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: in today's other news, So which which is a nice 63 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: transition the gold Center behind the glass. Let's do some 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: headlines and we'll start with the Ted Wells in independent investigation. 65 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: It was released early this morning on the West coast, 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: about ten o'clock on the East coast, and the findings 67 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: do not paint a very positive picture on Richie Incognito um, 68 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: but also Mike Pouncey, John Jerry. It appeared like Jonathan 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: Martin or the the findings by Ted Wells is that 70 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Martin really was the target, as were other people 71 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: in the building, and there was a toxic culture that 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: Incognito seemed to be the ringleader of. Is that safe 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: to say? That's fair to say. It's to me looking 74 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: back that there were so many reports and the feeling 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: from Incognito's camp that the report would help exonerate him 76 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: and perhaps everyone would look bad. And I guess that's 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: true to a degree, and that everyone also included a 78 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: couple of Incognitos teammates that we didn't hear as much about. 79 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: But Martin was believed to be fully credible. All his 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: accusations they believe uh were to be true. And it 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: detailed some other troubling behavior from teammates and from offensive 82 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: line coach Jim Turner. Overall, just you know, rough, it 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: was about as bad a day as it was gonna 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: be for the Miami Dolphins. It sounds like NFL mandated 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: gum shoe slash league mandated Jonathan Martin Proberted Wells has 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: released a bombshell that he spent many days and months 87 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 1: report that finally landed. And yeah, I mean there's let's 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: let's take a step back and and what is going 89 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: be the fall out of this report. I mean, Richie 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: incognito is no way he's gonna be back. We kind 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: of knew that. Jonathan Martin, it doesn't seem like there's 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: any way he could come back. Um, just just how 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: big this was. Is Joe Fildman in trouble? I mean, 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the report what it should be. I mean, it seems 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: like Philden it says in the report that he didn't 96 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: even realize this was happening. I mean, that's quite an 97 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: indictment for the head coach it should be. You know, 98 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: we keep hearing we heard a lot that coaches don't 99 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: always head coach doesn't always know what's going on in 100 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: the locker room. He can't control everything. You ought to 101 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: know what your position coach is doing. And if this 102 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: is extending even beyond the offensive line to an entire 103 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: culture where there's just no leadership whatsoever, I think that's 104 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: the most damning thing. When a guy like Incognito is 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: your leader, it's going down a path that shouldn't go down. 106 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting in the report they Wells was very supportive 107 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: of Philbin, and they found all of his comments and 108 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: leadership and things that he tried to do credible. They 109 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: supported Philbin quite a bit. But then there's the angle 110 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: that you're taking West, which I think makes a lot 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: of sense. Judy Batista wrote about it in a good 112 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: column that basically this is an indictment of Philbin and 113 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: lacking leadership. And there's an interesting back and forth on 114 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: November two between Philbin and Incognito, and that's the first 115 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: time Philbin really confronting Cognito about it. That's pretty late 116 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: in the game. Incognito totally denies it. Then he talks 117 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: to the offensive line coach Turner, who also totally denies it, 118 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: and Philbin is quoted in the report telling Turner these, 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, accusations better not be true. Turner is still 120 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: employed by the Dolphins at this point. I would think 121 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: the first fallout, as you said, would be Turner is 122 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: no longer employed by the Dolphins. But he is at 123 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: this point. I mean, yeah, he's still employed as of 124 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: right now. I can't imagine that's gonna last too much longer. 125 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: And and one thing about Philman also, the Dolphins were 126 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: the subject of Hard Knocks two summers ago, and I 127 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: remember watching film and this is before, this is ahead 128 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: of his rookie seas, and I mean, he's very polished 129 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: the way the things that he says, and he's kind 130 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: of by the book type guide. It seemed like, you know, 131 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: so meticulous that he would be picking up gum off 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: the turf of the practice field and uh, you know, 133 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: getting on guys for the shoelaces not being tied properly. 134 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: And it just seems a little bit there's something, there's 135 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: a disconnect that he would be so um attention oriented 136 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: and then completely unplugged from his own team and his 137 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: own coach Jim Turner, who was taking part in some 138 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: of this hazing that was going on of incognito excuse me, 139 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: of Martin and other players. I mean, it's outrageous that 140 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: he that he'll probably get off the hook for this. 141 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it doesn't seem right that 142 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: he would have no idea that his background, his offensive line. 143 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I might think he would be with those 144 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: coaches my assumption. Not only that, but did he personally 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: brought brought in Jim Turner, That would be my assumption. 146 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: I think it boils down to, you know, when we 147 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: when we saw the Denver Broncos under Pat Bowl and 148 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Uh sweep Josh McDaniels out of there, largely because he 149 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: was embarrassed by what happened with that meltdown. And you 150 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: know even last week when you get to the point 151 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: where Haslam was embarrassed by what's happening to his organization, 152 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: Ross uh was has not enjoyed this ride. And if 153 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: his level of embarrassment or if the affront is serious enough, 154 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: then yes, I think Philbin is in trouble. I mean, 155 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a tough thing for him not to tackle 156 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: as a second year head coach, but he seems to 157 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: have been lost in the mix here in terms of awareness. 158 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't think either in any trouble though, whether that's 159 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: right or right, I don't agree with that. But I 160 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: think Ross has decided Philbin's his guy, and he made 161 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: an entire g M search knowing partly what's going to 162 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: be in this report, and made sure that GM's were 163 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: on board with Philbin. So it's a mess, but I 164 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: don't think there's almost any chance. But what if the 165 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: report had been released in November versus h February, maybe 166 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: that would have changed it. But I think he has 167 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: dug in and Philbin's his guy. Just to put a 168 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: cap on this situation. You know, this is very deflating, 169 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: that Ted Wells report, because this was a story that 170 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: really challenged people's preconceptions at every twist and turn that 171 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we had Incognito all wrong, and maybe 172 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: we had Martin all wrong, and you know, the conclusion 173 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: is Incognito was a bully all along. This is such 174 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: an embarrassment to the NFL. The the things that the 175 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: players did to the assistant trainer that was really what 176 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: was new, and the other unnamed offensive lineman that we 177 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: didn't really know about ahead of time. It You just 178 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: can't believe that it was happening. Was worse than the 179 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: text messages. Um. If you want to read, obviously more 180 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: about the situation, including we can access the entire um report. Yeah, 181 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: we have that. We have the original news and then 182 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: we have I did a summary which is basically just 183 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: a collection of quotes of the I guess low lights 184 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: or takeaways from it. Yeah, so check that out on 185 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: NFL dot com. Back slash a t L Moving on, 186 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions cleared some cap space on Thursday, releasing 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: both Lewis Delmis and also Nate burl us In. The 188 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: two moves clear about ten million in cap space. This 189 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: is the time of the year when this stuff is 190 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: getting done, and these two gentlemen now are on the street. 191 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Delmas is a good player, not a great player. It 192 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: wasn't worth the money. Uh. He's kind of a dying 193 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: breed in the NFL, the hard hitting strong safety that's 194 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: not great in coverage. But I think some team will 195 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: find him. He's a starter. He's an interesting free agent 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: out there, only twenty six years old. New defensive coordinator 197 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Terrell Austin I think uh mentioned Delmas by name just 198 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: a few days ago in his introductory press commerce. So 199 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a surprise. I wonder if 200 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: his uh he seemed to have chronic knee problems, and 201 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: he even admitted before they started last year's knee he 202 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: just wasn't feeling that well. I wonder if that plays 203 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: into it. We talked about it was a possible target 204 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: for Buffalo if Bird were to go elsewhere. But yeah, 205 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: it seems like of what we've written about him over 206 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: the last three seasons are can't stay healthy, can't stay 207 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: on the field, uh, And they don't even practice the 208 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: guy during the week. So it's a bit of a risk. 209 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I think if you had him and it opens up 210 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: one of the best spots in football, the number two 211 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: sidekick to Calvin Johnson, maybe it'll be Eric Decker, maybe 212 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: it'll be someone interested. They're gonna have to sign a 213 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: free agent. And yeah about that, I mean Nate Earlson. 214 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: He kind of was in that role longer than he 215 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: should have been. He even said it himself a year 216 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: ago when he came into NFL Network studios and I 217 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: spoke to him name dropper, Uh, he said that Titus 218 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: Young was the guy that was going to replace him, 219 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: and he was just keeping the spot warm and trying 220 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: to teach him how to play the game. That never 221 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: worked out. And now Nate's history and reaching the stage 222 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: of his career where he's gonna have our time finding 223 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: a job because he's not good enough to be a 224 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: number three receivers after the catch skills are gone and 225 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: teams don't employ veteran number four receivers who don't play 226 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: on special teams. We have talked about Decker like where 227 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: could he go where it would work where you don't 228 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: stick him into a number one role, And you mentioned 229 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Detroit and I agree with that that that's one complimentary 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: role for him where it's a Broncos type position potentially 231 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: on paper, I totally agree. But just think you about 232 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: it now. I mean, they're paying Calvin Johnson how much 233 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: money and they're gonna it's just a little crazy to pay. 234 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: They gotta get a number two, right, But are you 235 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: gonna pay a guy nine million dollars a year to 236 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,959 Speaker 1: be pay You probably pay Nix the fraction of that 237 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: go get Julian Edelman. Now, you're not gonna overpay for 238 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: any who's a system wide receiver. Alright, moving on, interesting 239 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: tidbit of interesting bit of reporting from Ian Rapp report 240 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. I believe it was um. He reported that 241 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: the Packers, who usually kind of sit out the free 242 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: agency signing period in terms of importing guys from outside 243 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: their system, they're gonna get aggressive this year, signed as 244 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: many as five players UM as they attempt to remake 245 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: their defense, especially their defensive line, in a way that 246 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: best suits the philosophy of defensive coordinator Dom Capers. UM. 247 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: I ask you, gentlemen, and also b J Raji because 248 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: of that could be a guy on the chopping block. 249 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: Mark Cesler, you brought up a good point yesterday which 250 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: I will to you up on now. Why did it 251 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: take six years, which is how long Caper has been 252 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: there for them to come up with this plan to 253 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: build a defense too? I guess number one, it's an 254 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: organization that's set all along. We're committed to not making 255 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: a huge splash and free agency, and I'm alright with 256 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: them pivoting on that philosophy because it's overdue and they 257 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: need help, and they need help quicker than what they're 258 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,239 Speaker 1: getting in the draft. But I feel with Dom Capers 259 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: that it's it's this continual late January narrative where we 260 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: have a Mike McCarthy presser where he it's not anything 261 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: to do with my coordinator. He's sticking around for another year. 262 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: This defense to me stands out as as one that's underperformed, 263 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: and now half a decade in, you're gonna go find 264 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: players that fit his system. What have you been doing? 265 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: I love the I love the original wording of the report. 266 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: We're going to remake our defense and dom Caper's image. 267 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: So you remake your defense into a sixty year old Yeah, 268 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: that's a bad idea to try to do that. And 269 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: whose image was it in before? Well? You know when 270 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: I did my roster construction piece breaking down how each 271 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: roster in the NFL was was composed. The Packers are 272 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: so staunchly anti free agent that the only free agent 273 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: on the roster was signed in two thousand six, Ryan Pickett. 274 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: Every other team in the NFL had at least three 275 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: or four free agents, some as many as twenty Packers 276 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: had one. You shouldn't be so married to any philosophy 277 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: that you can't look for value in some way. I 278 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: tend to think coordinators are overrated in in terms of 279 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: their importance, and that if Caper's is a good coach, 280 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: he's a good coach, and it's more about the players. 281 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: Have they been well coached. I just think the difference 282 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: between a great coordinator. I don't know if there's great 283 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: coordinators that make that big a difference one way or another. 284 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a good one, and it's really more 285 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: about the players. All Right, that's it for news. We're 286 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: getting closer to win. West's toaster West. He's got a 287 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: glow to him. It's confident glow. I am feeling over 288 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: confident right now. There's some there's a hubris about me. 289 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: So I've been saying that all week. Uh So it's 290 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: just a matter of can we find an opponent that 291 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: is worthy of you? Alright? Moving on, we've been doing 292 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: some looking back at our offseason forecast. We're doing a 293 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: forecast on all thirty two teams on on the Around 294 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: the League blog, and I guess we're pulling out certain teams. 295 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: We're probably not gonna hit all of them, right, but 296 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna pick some teams, pick and choose. We like 297 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: to keep the listeners guessing. You know, we don't know 298 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: that that translation is we have no idea. We haven't 299 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: really thought it that far. But um, we're gonna hit 300 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: up two teams today. I I'm very excited because might 301 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: as well start today with the the runner up in 302 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: the a f C East that means second place. That's 303 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: that's a silver medals. That is a silver medal. Uh 304 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: tie into the Olympics. The New York Jets. Alright, So 305 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: I guess the big picture with the Jets right now? 306 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: You know, obviously they kept Rex Ryan, Um, he's with 307 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: John Edzick still and now now they what they have 308 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: to do after what what was a positive season and 309 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: a surprising season in terms of finishing eight and eight, 310 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: which no and predicted, is to rebuild their offense. Um. West, 311 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: I know you made you made note of it in 312 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: your breakdown of the organizations. Have they've built their teams? 313 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: The Jets have been how did you put it, West? 314 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Almost aggressive? They have aggressively ignored offense. Yeah, they have 315 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: aggressively ignored offense, especially at the top of drafts. The 316 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: past five draft picks, first round picks have all been 317 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: defensive players. Um, right off the bat with the combine 318 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: coming up and then the draft. Uh that I think 319 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: the top of this draft. The Jets are gonna focus 320 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: on offense and most likely a wide receiver. They have 321 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: to completely redo their wide receiver corps. Um, So look 322 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: for the offense to be built up, and then you 323 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: have you really put the corpse in the core. Corps. 324 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: Corps is the words core. No core is different than corps, 325 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: but it's pronounced core. You guys think you know things, 326 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: and that's what I find funny. But it's it's funny 327 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: because he has another meeting too, so that adds a 328 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: level of humor to the whole thing. I don't follow 329 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: any of the humor. I don't think any of it's funny. Um, 330 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: all right, let's get back on track. The biggest free 331 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: agents for there's not a ton of big free agents, 332 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: but Austin Howard, their right tackle. He's been a sixteen 333 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: game started last two years. Um monishe? Meta of The 334 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: Daily News reported yesterday that the Jets are actually have 335 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: begun contract talks with him. Calvin Pace, who's a ten 336 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: sack guy. He's a free agent. He's also thirty four 337 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 1: in October. Um, I don't know how much money they're 338 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: gonna want to invest in that guy. And then you 339 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: have some other free agents, Willie Cologne, the guard, another 340 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: sixteen games starter, Nick Folk, who was an excellent cologne 341 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: is about fifty two years old. Tight end Jeff Cumberland, 342 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: I call him comby. Uh he I would put him 343 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: in the put him over Cologne. You gotta keep combing 344 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: free agents. I've ever seen you have gets where Ed 345 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: Reid who uh speaking of corpse Ed Reid, Kellen Winslow 346 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: and Volad Duca. So there's that again. This is this 347 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: kind of to me, tells you how did they get 348 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: to eight and eight if these are impact guys that 349 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: are hitting one thing about the Jets, like that book 350 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: that we've all been talking about, Collision Low Crossers, And 351 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: I know Dan hates the title. At a certain point, 352 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: we got to stop playing this, but it is. Here's 353 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: what it is though. It's it's um an in depth 354 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: look at how much I guess conflict there was between 355 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: the defense and offensive coaches. Uh, you know, just a 356 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: couple of seasons ago. And it is because Brian Schottenheimer 357 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: and he's no longer there. Uh, that whole side, that 358 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: whole side of the ball though, and that no, but 359 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: a lot of the personnel are and and in West 360 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: is right. They aggressively refused to add playmakers on offense, 361 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: they finally have cap room. I'm gonna make a prediction 362 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman will be a Jet next season. Somebody's gonna 363 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: overpay for Julian edelms well, and I think the Jets 364 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: have the ripe look of we need to hey, let's 365 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: get someone who's burnt us over and over. He kind 366 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: of fits what they do, I think in terms of 367 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: that offense well before. Yeah, I just also want to 368 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: mention there are some guys that are also on their 369 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: way out potentially. Antonio Crimarti is a fifteen million dollar 370 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: salary cap charge, so they might cut him and then 371 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: try to resign him. I think it would be a 372 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: mistake to let him go. Santonio Holmes is gone, They're 373 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: gonna cut him and and take the the cap money. 374 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez also, um will almost definitely be a cap cut. 375 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: So those are two uh three big names from their 376 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: past that are probably going to be out the door. 377 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: Maybe cremartis back. They're reportedly interested in Jeremy Macklin and 378 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders, both of them I think make more sense 379 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: than Edelman. I think it's not just that they ignore 380 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: the offense, and it's such a defense heavy organization, and 381 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Rex is always looking for ways to improve and make 382 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: his defense great while almost ignoring. Hey, this other half 383 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: of the ball is important. When they do invest in offense. 384 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: They keep Santonio Holmes too long, they trade up for 385 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, they draft Stephen Hill. So it's a combination 386 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: of that. They haven't known how to look for these players. 387 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: Do you keep um? Are you comfortable Dan with Gino 388 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: Smith for sixteen more games? No? I think well yes, 389 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: and no. I think they definitely need to bring in 390 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback. And I don't think the fan base 391 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: is going to get excited if Matt shob comes in. 392 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how logical it is quest left. I 393 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: don't know how logical it is for Michael Vick with 394 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: his baggages and his inability to stay healthy. But but 395 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: who else is there? I know there's not a lot 396 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: of other options out there, That's what I was gonna say, 397 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't agree with the idea. And 398 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: Greg we talked about a little bit yesterday. I believe 399 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: of the Jets drafting quarterback high again this year, like 400 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: using another second round pick uh for example. I think 401 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: you bring in the veteran, even if it's an underwhelming guy, 402 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: and you you push Gino and hopefully Gino wins the 403 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: job and then shows you something and you're two with 404 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: more weapons around him, and if he doesn't and you 405 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: feel like you put a decent off it's around him, 406 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: then I feel like you're you're confident you could move 407 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: on and find a real quarterback next year right after 408 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: you get fired, because that's what will happen. If Gina 409 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: Smith is a disaster, it's not a It's still not 410 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: a great position. It's hard to look at the Jets 411 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: with all the holes until we know what they plan 412 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: to do to film and say, yeah, they're going to 413 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: improve on it. And Nate cor Marty, I don't think 414 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna end up staying. They really love him and 415 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: maybe they'll value him more than anyone else, but they'll 416 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: cut him and he'll be on the free agent mark 417 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: and he'll be an interesting guy that other teams will 418 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: be interested in. Yeah, this defense was ready to win 419 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: last year, at least the front seven. Yeah, if you 420 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: make a few changes in the second area, it makes 421 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot more sense. They have Michael Vick undersoner than 422 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Gino Smith until he goes out with a ribb injury. 423 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: I would want Vic. It's kind of a perfect I 424 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: like it. Why and it You're right, he doesn't get injured. 425 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: They have Gino Smith there, they have Morning Wegg. Why not? 426 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: You know why not? I was looking back because I 427 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: was Dan and I were saying to old Michael Vick 428 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: definitely goes to the Jets and makes sense. But there 429 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: was a report last offseason that Morning Wegg and Vic 430 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: don't connect these two because they left on rough terms 431 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: and they don't actually want to work together again. That 432 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: was a year ago, though, so maybe that's all nonsense. 433 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: And also, you know, I think that you need to 434 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: I know the Eagles pit the Bowl and they dealt 435 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: with the pr backlash of signing Vic. I don't know 436 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: if the Jets are gonna want to welcome that circus 437 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: in town because if he signs, all that past stuff 438 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: with the Dogs is gonna come back up in the tabloids, 439 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's gonna be something that's gonna 440 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: the Jessic gonna have to deal with that negative spin. 441 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: And I don't know if the versus Sanchez slash tebow 442 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: slash fill in the blank. I mean, I think the 443 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: thing is it's so far I think the victing is 444 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: so far gone now that there's enough time has passed it. 445 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a huge circus. 446 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: Plus you have to account for overcoming the emotional loss 447 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: of no Cumberland around and blood cost Who was on 448 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: my all medieval evil Valentine big Ugly I think that 449 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: was his name in a hard sounds like he won 450 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: the king. Actually he was. I think he was second, 451 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: Actually was? I don't remember he was? He finished first? Second? 452 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, first and second. All right, so that's 453 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: the jet sit. I will see what happens with him. 454 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: They it is exciting to follow in this offseason because 455 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: they have money. It's very annoying when you follow a 456 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: team in the offseason when they're quote unquote cap straft 457 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: because you know that you're not gonna get anything sexy 458 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: and free agency and then you just plan on the draft. 459 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: But here we got moving forward, the Dallas Cowboys, America's team. 460 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Chris Westling, you wrote up the offseason forecast on that, 461 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: so I will throw it to you now. First of all, 462 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: what's changing and what's going on with the Cowboys. Well, 463 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: what's changing has Monte Kiffin has kind of been dethroned 464 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: by Rob Marinelli, who's taking over the defense. And Scott Linahan, 465 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: the former Lions offensive coordinator, has brought been brought into 466 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: call plays. Those things are changing. They probably will not 467 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: have Miles Austin next year, which you know they haven't 468 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: had him for the most of the past three years, 469 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: so that's not a huge deal. And Jason Hatcher is 470 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: the big free agent to watch UH At mid season 471 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: last year, Greg and I had mentioned that he was 472 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: a Defensive Player of the Year candidate at age thirty. 473 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: He's coming off his best season of his career. He 474 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: wants to get paid and stop me if you've heard 475 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: this before. The Cowboys have salary cap problems, major major 476 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: salary cap problems. But Greg said that doesn't matter. I 477 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: don't think it matters that much. They can get around 478 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: it this. I think this is a team where it matters. 479 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: They don't have many obvious candidates to cut to free 480 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: up salary. Could you ever see them cutting to Marcus 481 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: s Ware No. We talked about this um last on 482 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: last week's podcast. Greg and I both said that we 483 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: didn't think he'd be cut. It's just it doesn't make 484 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: sense to me for them to cut him. But there 485 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: are other areas of this team where the salaries are 486 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: a little bloated. They pay too much to their stars, 487 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: and that's the problem. When you take Jerry Jones's approach, 488 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: you have a top heavy roster in the middle of 489 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: it is not that good. This team is not built 490 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: on free agents. But like Greg said, the problem is 491 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: they just resigned their own players to contracts that nobody 492 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: else would sign them to. Even the kicker got a 493 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: monster deal through. I know that was, you know, in 494 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: some ways created to help the salary cap, but it 495 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: still seems a little absurd. Also, you know, there they 496 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: could lose Hatcher and Anthony Spencer, so they're both free agents. 497 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: Their defensive line was supposed to be a strength last year. 498 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: It turned out to be a big weakness because they're 499 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: injury prone and old. You have to wonder if they're 500 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 1: willing to keep spending big money on these guys who 501 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: can't stay on the field. And as much as I 502 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: like Hatcher, you mentioned he's entering his age thirty two season, 503 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: and that you know that's the type of contract that 504 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: tends to come back and hot. When you say will 505 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: they be willing to keep doing this, yes they will 506 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: because the core issue and the reason that Dallas remains 507 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: one of the more depressing teams to ponder each offseason 508 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: is because Jerry Jones is the guy that is miscalculating 509 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: these moves over and over, and he is a guy 510 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: that will not be replaced because he won't fire himself. 511 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: He said he would if his performance were duplicated by 512 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: another man, but he won't fire himself. I don't think 513 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: Jarro is going anywhere. There are another team in the 514 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: market receiver, not a big name guy, but maybe like 515 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: a Burlison or a low level free agent that I agree, 516 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: But I think they need to sign someone that can 517 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: just take snaps because it's a very thin position. And 518 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: for the record, I don't feel sorry for Cowboys fans 519 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: just because Jerry Jones is running the show. You know what, 520 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: you got a good eight, Nate. You could be the 521 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns, or the mid nineties Cincinnati Bengals, or the 522 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: Lines for a while ago. Quick crime and you will 523 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: be hoisted up on national television fourteen times next season. 524 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: No matter what you did, and you have those titles 525 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: to look back on. So give me a break. Mark, 526 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: are you okay with West sighting the Browns is a 527 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: franchise that you'd be less off? I think that was factual. Okay, 528 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: you're more docile to just dealing in facts. West is 529 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Dan is now standing in the middle of the pot 530 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: stirring it. We actually talked about this plan ahead of 531 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: time him right towards the end, West just throwing that 532 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: brown because we do have a few people in our 533 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: own office that walk around moping about the Cowboys, and 534 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: it's you aren't even in that zone. You aren't even 535 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: in that nation. And Jerry Jones isn't the worst GM 536 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: in the league. It's like he's just not He's like 537 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: he's probably in the middle. I like the better one. 538 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: Mark didn't have a tranquilizer darts sticking out of his jugglar. 539 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: All right, everybody get excited. It's that time we've been 540 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: waiting for it. It's really one of the most successful 541 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: games in the history of the Internet. Um, that's substantiated. 542 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: But I like to think that the best of iTunes 543 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: and the and the Stitch, or a lot of it 544 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,239 Speaker 1: goes back to this game, which is, as we all know, 545 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: West his Toaster. I'm excited, so I've been saying West, 546 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: you downstairs. The man is very confident on Mark. Greg, 547 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've noticed this. Oh yeah, there's 548 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: a Tyson in Tokyo, oh February nineteen ninety glow to him, 549 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: and I feel like he's ripe to get picked off. 550 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: I think we could call it a gleam. I'm barely 551 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: paying attention at all. Greg is now know. Greg's progressed 552 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: to the stage where he's pretending not to like it. 553 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: It went from legitimately disliking it, to indifference and not 554 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: showing up for the podcast on those days to now 555 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: pretending to be out but secretly in. By three months 556 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: from now, you'll be jumping out of your chair during 557 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: the second. I don't know if secretly in is it, 558 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: but I'm tolerant, all right. The gold standard behind the glass, 559 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: this is, uh, the gold standards made and made in 560 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: voyage of when West's Toaster. How are you feeling, because 561 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: there's some pressure on you as well as Zack. Yeah, 562 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. Let's hope for a smooth sailing. Okay, 563 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: So you screamed I know we got some tweets, both 564 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: Mark and I don't know West and Greg did. But 565 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: some people that did not make it out of the 566 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: elimination chamber, the gold standard elimination chamber, the screening process. 567 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Is that true? Yes, they're not in my basement, don't worry, okay. 568 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: And they seem pretty distraught about out Yeah, no, I 569 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: mean it's look, it's a dogg eat dog world out there. 570 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: I can't I can't help it if if you haven't 571 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: got the chops to uh to step to the best. 572 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: I like how gold Standard over the course of like 573 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: a month and a half has become utterly Machia Valien. 574 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: It was always there. He's just we need to get 575 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: to learn. How do you think? Do you think you 576 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: got here? All? Right? So the got another job? Yeah? Right? 577 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Do we have someone on the line to start the game. 578 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: We do, indeed, and I will bring up right now. 579 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: His name is Kevin and he is from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. 580 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Kevin from Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Is that being pronounced correctly? I'm 581 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: a little off on my Canadas stuff. How are you? Buddy? 582 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Around the League podcast and win West's 583 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: toaster I'm pretty nervous. Don't be nervous. Let's start with 584 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: an easy one. Kevin, who is the greatest player in 585 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: Rough Riders history? I don't know. Come on, you're from Saskatoon. 586 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what any of this means. How could 587 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: you be nervous? You've already survived and upbringing in Saska too, 588 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: and you're tougher than any of us. I try to 589 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: forget most of it. So, Kevin, who's your NFL team? 590 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: All right? The Green Bay Packers? Who knows? That might 591 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: be a question. When West's Toaster, Kevin, do you know 592 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the rules of the game? Yeah, all right, I'm gonna 593 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: go over them anyway. To our new listeners of the show, 594 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Win West's Toaster is a game of skill and valor 595 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: uh in which the contestant attempts to win West's Toaster. 596 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: That the ability of the toaster mark in correct me 597 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, is to emblazon a team logo like 598 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: the Packers against toast and then consume that toast. Yeah, 599 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: and it's a It's a device that promises not to 600 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: burn bread. Ever, it almost has mythical powers. It can 601 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: it can imprint the logo of all thirty two teams. 602 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: I've heard from a listener that they didn't think the 603 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: toaster was real, that the toaster doesn't really imprint logos 604 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: on of all thirty two teams, that it's just kind 605 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: of one of these things we make up, which we 606 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: do make up some things from This is real. This 607 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: is an unbelievable toaster and you can't buy it anymore 608 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: on the internet. It's out of print. It's out of sale. 609 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: It also has a thirty third imprint for the London team. 610 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: But there's a shadowy league figure upset with you. There's 611 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: a rumor that the Lombardi Trophy will soon be replaced 612 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: by this toaster, and that could be yours, Kevin. So 613 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: here are the rules for people that haven't um listened before. Uh. 614 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: Both Kevin the contestant and West will get six questions, 615 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the same six questions, and they will answer them. West 616 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: will be in a sound proof other side of the 617 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: glass scenario. He will not be able to hear Kevin. 618 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: Who will go first? Whoever gets the most questions right 619 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: in the sixties second time limit wins the toaster. If 620 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: the two players tie, the tie is broken by the 621 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: time in which the questions were answered, So keep that 622 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 1: in mind. Kevin, tell us when to stop the clock 623 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: if you want to go back to something or if 624 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: you want to stop the cock because that breaks the tide. 625 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: All right, let's do it. Wes be God, there he 626 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: goes the gold standard. UM As as we know, Mark 627 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: Sessler is the official timer of when West's toaster. It's 628 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: also there's a lot of pressure on Mark. You could 629 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: feel it. Well, I botched it the first time out, 630 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: hoping to do it correct this time. All right, Marks, 631 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: gonna set the timer at sixty seconds and gold centered 632 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: at the start of the music, I will begin the questions. 633 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: Let's do it. Thurman Thomas is the all time leading 634 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: rusher in Buffalo Bill's history. Who was second? Uh Pad 635 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: who was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and 636 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: their heartbreaking losses to the Broncos in NFL playoffs. UH 637 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: who was the Raiders coach during the team's blowout loss 638 00:32:52,280 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: to the Bucks in Super Bowl thirty seven. UH Gruden, 639 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: who led the NFL in receiving yards during the season. 640 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: UH season Josh Gordons, what former Saturday Night Live cast member, 641 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: was critically panned analyst on ABC's Monday Night football and 642 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand one time, h all right, 643 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: you got one? Yeah, that was rough. Let's bring West 644 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: in and let's not reveal how he how any did 645 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: anything could happen. West has been summoned back into the room. 646 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: This we'll see what happens. West looks like a man 647 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: that is confident. You ready, West? You're not gonna tell 648 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: me how many I need? Are you? Of course? Not? Okay? 649 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: Start the clock bang. Thurman Thomas is the all time 650 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: leading rusher in Bill's history. Who was second. O. J. Simpson, 651 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: who was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns and 652 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: their heartbreaking losses to the Broncos in seven NFL playoffs. 653 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, who was the Raiders coach during the team's 654 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: blowout lost to the Bucks in Super Bowl thirty seven. 655 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: Jon Gruden, who led the NFL in receiving yards during 656 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: the season. Josh Gordon, what former Saturday Night Live cast member, 657 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: was a critically panned analyst on ABC's Monday Night Football 658 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand and two thousand one. The miss Understood 659 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: Genius If Dennis Miller they had a Falcon selected Michael 660 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: Vick with the first pick in the twenty two thousand 661 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: one draft. What team did they trade with to acquire 662 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: that pick? I believe it was the Chargers. Stop the clock, 663 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: got it five out of six. Chris Westling, you keep 664 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: your toaster, all right? What can I miss? You missed? Um? 665 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Buden was the Raider coach? Think about that? Bill Callahan? Yeah, 666 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: Gruden actually went to Tampa that year, and that's interesting, 667 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: said the same thing. Wasn't he traded for first and 668 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: third round draft picks? That's correct, and they used that 669 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: first pick on LaDainian Tomlinson the number five overall. Kevin, 670 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: thank you very much for trying. It's a very difficult game. 671 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: Kevin got one out of five. Um, it's you know 672 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: this happens. Well, it shook me off my game when 673 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: he asked me about the Riders. So that was much 674 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: strategy and stuff. Once you get into the arena, it's 675 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: not the same as if you're just hanging out and 676 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: getting exactly I've always said that, and Greg, you put 677 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: it very well. Goodbye, Kevin. Thanks Kevin, impressive though you 678 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: got the Charger. See they thought that question was too hard, 679 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: and I said, that's a good one. Tomlinson involved in 680 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: that trade. What's up. No, yeah, but he got it. No, 681 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: but Tim Dwight was yeah, yeah was it. It wasn't Tomlinson, 682 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: but it was Merriman and Nate Cadene and Cleveland cast 683 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: On drafting Ladinian Thomlinson to pick big money. Gerard Warren, alright, 684 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: what's getting all right? We have one more contestant? Is 685 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,479 Speaker 1: that true? The gold Standard Gold Standards. Feeling a little 686 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: heat right now? His hand pick contestant? There was not 687 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: that was you know, Kevin seemed like a nice guy, 688 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: but it just didn't work out. That was Gold Standards. 689 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: Joe Banner right there, I'd hate to see was eliminated 690 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: from the elimination chamber. Well, he apparently he must have 691 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: done well to get to this stage, right He was 692 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: like he was nervous. He was like Bill Callahan in 693 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: his first year, got there, but then after that at all? Philippark, Well, 694 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: we wish him well. Greg alright. Our next contestant is 695 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: Bernard from Flyn Love that are you named after Bernard King? 696 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: Um no, that's a fair question. That's a cooler if 697 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: you were and I were about the same age. So okay, Bernard, 698 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: I want you, I want you to know that. Um 699 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: we tried to call you once and the gold Senders 700 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: is going to move on. And then I heard that 701 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: you were a Jet fan, so I said, let's try 702 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: him one more time. So just being a Jet fan 703 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: as already victory right there, Dan, I appreciate that I 704 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: am a Jet fan like you. I am a long 705 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: time Jet season ticket holder. Oh wow, we suffered together 706 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: and much and much like West. I am a form 707 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: of mailman. So I am all right, who's not rooting 708 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: for Bernard right now? In this game? Bernard I have 709 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: sounds awesome? Alright, Bernard knows the rules. West is going 710 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: behind the glass and we're about to play another round 711 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: of When West's toaster At the start of the creepy music, 712 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: we will begin. This quarterback was inducted into the Hall 713 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: of Fame in despite throwing forty seven more interceptions than 714 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: touchdowns in his career. Damn South, who was the MVP 715 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: of Super Bowl forty eight, Oh Jesus Christ, fast name 716 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: the well traveled safety was low hit on. Tom Brady 717 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: ended the quarterbacks two thousand eight season in Week one. 718 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: Fast how many interceptions that Joe Flacco throw during the 719 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: two thousand twelve post season five? What Patriots defender was 720 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: credited with the tackle of David Tyree after his famous 721 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: helmet catch in Super Bowl forty two. Post This wide 722 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: receiver has seven one thousand yards seasons since being drafted 723 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: second all in the two thousand three NFL draft and 724 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: Kwan Boden. Alright, stop, do you want to go back? Yeah, 725 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: let's go back. All right? Name time? All right? What 726 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: was that? What was all right? What was the name 727 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: of which question? Did we pass on? Pass on? Two? 728 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: The first two? All right, We'll give you one more. 729 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: Who was the MVP of Super Bowl four? The eight 730 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: Jesus christ Man, I just saw it. Um uh, the 731 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: MVP is a live backer from the five seconds? Oh god, 732 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: oh time? All right, Malcolm God, you know why couldn't 733 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: I think of Malcolm Smith's to Bernardo, You're gonna You're 734 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: gonna die when you hear the answer at number one? Also, 735 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: all right, let's bring in West West West West. Here 736 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: he is west. I will not tell you how Bernard did. 737 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: Um just know you better. You gotta perform. That's the 738 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: only way. That's the only thing I'm gonna say to you. 739 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: You have to perform. Okay, start the clock. This quarterback 740 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: was inducted into the Hall of Fame in despite throwing 741 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: forty seven more interceptions and touchdowns. Joe Namath, who was 742 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: the m v P of Super Bowl forty eight? Which 743 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: one was forty eight? I don't know. Malcolm Smith name 744 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: the well traveled veteran safety who's low hit on Tom 745 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: Brady ended the quarterbacks two thousand eighth season in Week one. 746 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: Bernard Pollard, how many interceptions did Joe Flacco throw during 747 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: the two thousand twelve postseason Zero? What Patriots defender was 748 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: credited with the tackle of David Tyree after his famous 749 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: helmet catch in Super Bowl forty two. Rodney Harrison, This 750 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: wide receiver has seven one thousand yards seasons since being 751 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: drafted third overall in the two thousand three NFL Draft. 752 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: Sounds like Larry Fitzgerald stop the clock five correct, that's 753 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: a five nothing win over Bernard Wow, Weckland. You are 754 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,439 Speaker 1: you are unbelievable. Thank you, Bernard and Bernard, even though 755 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: you've got Joe namathrong. We will not will never let 756 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: anybody know at the meadow ends that that happened. All right, 757 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: Thank you for playing, Bernard, and thank you for listening. 758 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: Just again, this was West's day. There's a dynasty coming 759 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: together right now? Which which one did I get wrong? Um, 760 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: you've got Andre Johnson wrong. But I was a good 761 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: guy and he's Jeff fan. It all checks out that 762 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: he'd be a good person, tortured person. That's it for 763 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: this episode of the Round League, right. Let me just 764 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: this West, congratulations. Feeling pretty good about this? Yeah, I 765 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 1: mean you've after this is dominating. He had a five 766 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: one win and a five nothing this right here, Well, 767 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: he has no control over quality people calling in, how 768 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: well they do it? Zach care of his own business. 769 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: We gotta start opening this up. Let me in Cessler 770 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: take a crack at him. And I don't think Wes 771 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: will have a toaster anymore. I think I feel pretty 772 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: good about that. You know, there were no corporate stadium 773 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: names on netlist. I studied all of them. That's what 774 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: I like to know, all of the stadium name thing. 775 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: You'll never forgive me forgiven for this all right, gold 776 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,439 Speaker 1: Stander will give you a pass this time around. Listening. 777 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: There's only some much you can control as well. And uh, 778 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: you know we'll bring this game back one one month 779 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: from now, could be sooner because Gregg might be like 780 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: I'll get it back, get it back in the rotation um. 781 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: But for now we have to go. That's it for 782 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,879 Speaker 1: today's episode of the Rondomly podcast. We will be back 783 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: on Monday. That and we'll get into more NFL goodness 784 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: as we lead up to the combine. Dan Janss signing 785 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Foss and the 786 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: gold Standard behind the Glass until month