WEBVTT - Big Red Rage - Is There A Will To Stay At No. 3? 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:05.400 Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Hen 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:10.360 he got jacked. This is the Big Red RAI presented 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.720 by Santanford in Gilbert. Mary's Gonna score touchdown. Slim to 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:17.759 the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo, he came 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:23.080 flying into the backfield. The rage is brought to you 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:28.960 by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.159 Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm, 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:37.800 And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Hacy Cardinals dot Com, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:45.960 Slash podcasts, The Red scen Rising Guard, Temperaturizing vision, flurring, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:50.400 Rage taking over. Here's Paul Calvc. I'm ready. I'm one 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.120 hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron wolfleet. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:58.240 It doesn't get any better than that. Ar unleash the 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:06.920 far attention, red Sea. We apologize in advance for interrupting 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:14.000 your pursuit of the new uniforms, hashtag tick talk, all 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.959 the NonStop chatter that's out there, and the mockups of 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:21.040 all your Cardinals concepts. Okay, it's entertaining, there's no doubt. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.199 But if you don't mind, Red Sea, and you would 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.840 be so kind We're gonna talk some football for the 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:31.280 next hour, if that's okay with everyone. Okay, just maybe 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:34.319 allow people to pace themselves a little bit towards maybe 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:40.520 potentially allegedly ostensibly a uniform unveiling between now in the draft, 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.960 because Ron Wolfley, there are two kinds of people out there, Yes, 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.720 those who saw the Cardinals Twitter teaser video with the 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.160 coordinates and they drove out to the middle of the 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.360 snore and desert looking for some evidence in new uniforms. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.640 And those who did not and who are willing to wait. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.960 I'm not sure, guessing you're the latter and not the former. Yes, Paul, Yeah, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:07.240 I honestly right now, just whatever the uniform is, that's fine. 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:08.880 Just give it to me, let me put it on, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.840 and I'll go out and drive somebody into the ground, Okay, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.480 or maybe Paul get driven into the ground. Because you know, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.760 people are just like the draft, people are overthinking these things. 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.160 Because the Cardinal's draft hats came out well, and you 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.640 know the Cardinals in the new draft hats, it's in yellow, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.360 So people are thinking that yellow is going to be 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.440 a prominent part of the Cardinals new uniform scheme, possibly 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.720 potential because because Jonathan and his name played at the 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.560 owner's meetings. His first name was in yellow and then 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.560 his last name was in a different color. So people 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:44.320 are thinking, here comes yellow. Well, Paul, it is part 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.359 of the beak. Yes, it is all right. So here 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.240 we got interesting. What you're saying. You mess with the bird? 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:52.399 What is that? Wolf? You might have to that's right, right, 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.000 If you mess with the bird, you're gonna get the beak. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.079 There you go. You might have to bust it out 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.280 more than ever. It's the Big Red Rage presented by 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.520 Santan Ward and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford's soon to 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.040 be joined by Kyle Van Eenbosch. You want to know 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.919 about pursuing a quarterback and taking down a quarterback. We'll 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:11.480 talk to KVB. We have a little bit of quarterback 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.520 news coming up a little bit later here, but right 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.960 off the top, Ron Wolfley, how about the Cardinals? The 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.919 off season program begins with the strength and conditioning programming. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.960 You know what, we'll give first word to Jonathan Gannon 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:27.359 here is he describes his first team meeting a lot 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.360 of new sets of faces, a lot of new sets 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.880 of eyes, and it was cool to talk to him 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.360 the first time in person, very pleased with the attendance, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.880 knowing that it's voluntary, and you know the guys they 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.280 are here, they were here for a reason and they 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.120 want to win. How big a moment is that, do 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:44.880 you think not only for just the head coach, but 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.160 everybody who was in attendance, because guess what, there's a 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.640 new decision maker in town. Yeah, Paul, I think it's 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.960 a big deal. I really do you know? There are 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.560 two things I'd love to see as a former player, PAULI. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.080 Number one, I'd love to go into an offensive line 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.080 room and watch the offensive line coach grease it up 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.920 on the board. Okay, Paul, that's number one. The second 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.320 thing I'd love more than anything else is just to 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.760 sit in the back of a room and watch a 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.560 brand new head coach get up in front of his 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:20.400 team and address his team for the first time. Paul, 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:24.560 That to me, right there is a salient moment. It is. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:29.080 It's a definitive moment for any organization when he gets 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:31.000 up in front of the team for the first time, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.279 because he's going to give you his culture. He's going 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.400 to reveal to you what it is that he expects 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.160 from you. Each player That's why I see that is 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.680 a big deal, Paul. It reminds me of what we 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.480 talked about to start the offseason when the Cardinals were 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:49.000 searching for their next head coach, and it was something 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:50.960 that Drew stan said on the Red Sea Report that 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.479 there are plenty of head coaches who can grease it 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.400 up right, the exes and os, I mean, they know football, 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.720 but half of them are weeded out almost immediately, never 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.960 get a second chance of being a head coach because 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.080 or it's not a long lasting gig because they're not 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:07.880 leader of men. And that's what you need in that 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.479 head coach. That's what separates the head coach from a 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.279 great coordinator. You need to be that leader. And so 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.240 well as important it is for the coach, I'm guessing 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.599 as a guy who spent ten years in an NFL 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.160 locker room, in those meeting rooms, the players are also assessing, Okay, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.599 what is this head coach all about and what is 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.719 he going to value in a team? Yeah, PAULI, And 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.080 of course you only get an opportunity to make a 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:39.640 first impression once. And that's why I was upset a 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.040 little bit. I'll be truthful here in regard to not 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:47.320 everybody being there. I think if you are under contract 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:51.159 going forward with the Arizona Cardinals, man, I would love 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.320 to see you attend that first meeting because you knew 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:57.200 that Jonathan Gannon was going to get up there in 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:01.080 front of the team and give you his view of 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.479 what the new culture is going to be. This is 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.480 a still point moment meeting as far as I'm concerned 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.159 for this franchise and especially for the roster and the 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.440 guys that are inside that locker room that are going 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:18.479 to be competing for those roster spots. So once again, 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.960 this is his opportunity to tell these guys exactly what 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.640 it is that he expects from them. Paul and that 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.080 to me, Man, if I were a player, I'd want 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:30.599 to be there. I don't know about you, but I 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.200 know i'd want to be there. Well, Hollywood Brown was there. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.680 We saw that Kyler Murray was there doing his own program, 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.320 his own strength and conditioning program. We saw his video 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.360 of him in the squat racks, so that was good 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:46.200 to see. No Isaiah Simmons, from all accounts, James Connor 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.160 was there. In fact, Jonathan Gannon gave James Conner a 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.479 shoutout when asked to impressed him on day one of 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.240 the strength program, he said, James Conner looked like you 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.480 could curl my body weight. That was quoting JG directly. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.440 And then Zavin Collins he met the media and you know, 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:03.480 look a lot of these defensive guys are trying to 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.200 figure out, including Isaiah Simmons, what does a coach have 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.039 in mind for them. Here's Zaban when he was asked 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.480 what he wants his role to be. I want to 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.200 do anything that exploits my talents and you know it 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.280 helps me be the best player possible for this team. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.240 We'll have to see whenever we get rolling, So you know, 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.680 it could be hired, it could be just solely one position, 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.400 it could be you know, there's multiple positions that you 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.920 can play, especially I think with my body type. So 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:26.960 you got to be prepared to do that and do 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.680 what the team needs rather than what I just want 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.559 to do. And you think about it, well if okay, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.760 you think of Zamon Collins last year with the green 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.760 dot the mic linebacker, but as he pointed out, he 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.080 also played a number of snaps a good percentage of 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.560 snaps on the edge in certain packages by vance Joseph 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.760 just like Isaiah Simmons was used in the half different spots. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.280 So I mean, if you're one of these guys, I'm 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.160 guessing you're real curious what the new coaching staff has 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:54.720 in mind in terms of your role. Yeah, I am curious. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.080 I hope that Zavan Collins is a guy that's going 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.520 to be kept at mike backer, and he's going to 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.760 continue to grow, and he's going to continue to master 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.360 this new defense that you're gonna put in here. I 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.320 can tell you right now, I fully expect Savin Collins 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.640 to explode, Paul. I think if there's one guy on 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.120 the defensive side of the ball that I expect to 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.520 take a significant step forward, it's Saven Collins. Now, again, 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:25.680 his rookie year, I think we'd all say it was disappointing. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.000 It was disappointing because you thought maybe he was going 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:29.960 to come in and he was going to make a 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.560 bigger impact his rookie year than he did. That did 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:38.240 not happen. But his second year, incrementally, he got better. PAULI. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.800 From the very first game of that season to the 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.959 end of the season, Zaven Collins I thought really grew 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.599 an awful lot. I think he's getting ready to explode 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.440 this year. In the reason why I say that is 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:56.960 because of Jonathan Gannon and this defensive minded head coach 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:00.359 that is going to come in here change this defense. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.840 And I think Paul, they're going to challenge Zaven Collins, 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.640 and I think Zavin is the type of guy that 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.720 is going to respond in a very positive way to 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.000 that kind of challenge. I think he's going to learn 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.520 an awful lot in a brand new defense, a brand 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.360 new system. But I think more than anything else, it's 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.720 gonna be new coaches and new voices looking at him 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.560 saying this is who we see you to be, Now 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.600 go be it. And he has a realistic assessment of 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.400 himself and his play and his performance so far, at 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.520 one point during his press conference saying, I had to 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.560 earn the trust of the team leaders. So a lot 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:39.280 of these first round picks think it needs to be 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.160 handed to them. No, Zamon Collins does not have that 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.040 that mindset. And as far as jan Jonathan Gannon goes, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:47.240 think about it, two years ago when he came into 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.040 Philadelphia under Nick Sirianni, they had a four win team 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.040 and two years later they were in Super Bowl fifty seven. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.960 Right here in the a Z. So if there's someone 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.600 who's been there and done that, you know, just taking 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.120 a team from four wins back to the playoffs, well, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.160 Jonathan Gannon was asked what it does take do you 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.240 get back to winning in all operations? Consistency? Because every 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:12.080 team in the NFL shows flashes or glimpses of winning 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.679 or winning behavior as I like to call it, you 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.240 got to be able to do it consistently. And those 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.600 are the teams that play in January and February, So 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.280 that takes a good amount of time, depending on what 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.160 situation you're in. But with the guys that we have 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.160 right now in the room, I feel good about being 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.959 more consistent this year. Sounds like he's talking about work 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.079 habits and just the approach to your job, and that's 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.679 really all you can do at this point in the 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:43.640 season on the NFL calendar, But you can tell he's 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.320 really particular about how things are done and what sort 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.160 of intensity is brought to every aspect of the offseason program, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.760 at least so far. Yeah, PAULI never forget this. Great 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.520 players are consistently great. That's why I love the fact 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:08.080 he emphasized consistent great players are consistently great, Paul. That's 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.720 the reason why I'm sorry. I look at Jailee Carter. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:16.360 I don't see somebody who is consistently great. I see 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.560 a guy that is great every now and then, really 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:24.239 great every now and then, and then just kind of average. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.480 That is a warning flag to me. Paul, Well, that's 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.880 gonna be a big question for Kyle Van and Bosch, 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.040 a guy who went to Pro Bowls as an edge 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.600 rusher and getting into the backfield. KVB will join us next. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.520 And by the way, that QB news Trace McSorley, former 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.360 Cardinals quarterbacks, signs with the Patriots today and the Cardinals, 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.439 according to reports, tried out Jeff driscoll, seven year veteran 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.520 and been with five different teams Houston the last couple 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.160 of years, because remember, they need another arm with Kyler 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.080 Murray still on the comeback. Kyle Van Embosh next, then 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.760 the big red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.920 I think most people believe that it'll be Bryce and CJ. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.040 Stroud one two in some order. And then the biggest 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.640 question is, you know, obviously who is number one, but 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.560 then what do the Cardinals do after and do the 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.600 Colts feel like they have to jump up and get somewhere, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.320 like basically like do the Colts trade to three or 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.680 is someone else going to trade to three and get 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.320 whoever they end up wanting? Like that's of all the 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.360 draft questions. Now that number one has gone, what happens 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.920 to three is probably as big a question as it get. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:39.960 And the bigger the question, the bigger the potential payout 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.480 is to the Arizona Cardinals if they're sitting there at 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.000 number three because Ron Wolfley, once again, what has been 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.520 the Calvisi consunt consulting mantra from day one to this 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:54.360 process and the off season A Z needs three three 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.679 three viable quarterbacks. So then you know what, the Cardinals 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.959 do have that choice. They do have choice. So somebody 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.040 coming up clamoring for a quarterback like I don't know 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.960 Indianapolis who has started a different quarterback in a season 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:12.080 opener for seven straight years. You don't think they're desperate 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.240 for their guys. So maybe just maybe they come up. 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.280 But we've seen anything in everything in terms of the 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.640 mock drafts, including this week, So wolf move over. Let's 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.680 bring in Kyle van Embosch, former Cardinal Cardinals analysts KVB 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.720 now on the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.720 in Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Kyle. You've been maintaining yourself. 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.840 We're two weeks away exactly from NFL Draft twenty twenty three. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:40.120 Let the anticipation wash over you. Oh man, I'm pumped. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.480 I tell you what I'm most pumped for. I'm pumped 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.240 for mock draft season to be over and then soon 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.560 after that draft great season to be over. Look. Look, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.400 those two things are about as accurate as cal VC predictions. 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.360 So I'm just excited. You know, I'm I'm a black 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.959 and white guy. Let's just get the draft over with, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.680 find out who we got, assess him and work with them, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.559 and move forward. All of this speculation drives me nuts. No, 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.960 I'm with you on that one, Kyle, one hundred percent. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.280 And not only that too. So much of the time, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:17.960 even some of the most acclaimed, most talented rookies, you 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.200 know they're not going to be able to make it 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.880 in the NFL. It's truly amazing. We've seen some massive 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.840 bus and especially from a player's perspective, right now, it's 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.560 one of the hardest things for me to do is 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.040 look at a rookie and expect him to come in 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:39.080 and actually change anything, let alone everything. And it's because 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.640 of how many failures I've seen. I don't know about you. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.920 How do you feel about that? Now? You're right and 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.560 to me, look, I'm far from being a qualified GM. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.280 But but character, to me, matters just about as much 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.440 as the measurables. I mean again, you know, I know 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.240 you guys have talked about this in the past, but 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.320 you know I would have taking Aidan Hutchinson with the 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.400 number one pick overall last year just because of you know, 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.200 he's got a motor. You know he's going to show 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.040 up every day in practice. You know the kind of 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.880 guy he is, and you know, the more time passes, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:15.560 I think these gms and these coaches get so enamored 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:20.280 with measurables, with forty times, with hand size, with arm length, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.320 with you know, trying to break down every little piece 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.880 of film. To me, it's the character. And with this 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.840 coaching staff and with Jonathan Gannon, I think it is 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:36.040 ultra important, especially since most of the free agent either 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.440 the players we retained or the additions or one or 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.840 two year contracts. So you want character guys that have 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.120 you know the three, the four, the five year contracts, 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.440 because they can be the cornerstone. They're the guys that 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.560 can help build your organization. And and to me, this 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.480 team needs to first establish that culture. They need to 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.320 have guys that are high character guys, high motor, guys 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.440 that know hot, be professionals. And then that's how you 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.920 build the team. First. You don't just add still players 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.840 in hope that the culture can develop within them. You 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.960 bring in the character guys, You establish the culture, and 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.120 then you figure out where we need to upgrade talent. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.120 All right, So we'll get into the Cardinals here specifically 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.040 in a minute. But as long as we're talking character, 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.920 we got to talk Jalen Carter. There are two kinds 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.480 of gms right now in the NFL. Either you would 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.040 or would not take Jalen Carter in the top ten. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.760 Drew stand earlier this week on the Red c Report 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:39.920 said absolutely not. What says you, KBB, I wouldn't either. Look, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.440 I'm assuming that I don't know this for a fact, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.640 and I haven't heard. I'm assuming this team will probably 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.920 be mostly four to three, probably go in and out 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.960 of some odde fronts. But you know, I've always said, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.760 the most important player in that four three is your 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:01.120 three technique. You need a dominant, explosive, disrupt the three technique. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.959 That is exactly what Jalen Carter is now saying that again. 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:09.920 You know, I think the worst thing you can do 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.159 with as much change that this team has seen is 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.159 is draft the guy and hope, hope he matures, Hope 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.119 he decides to make the correct decisions in the future 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:25.080 when maybe he hasn't in the past. And the worst 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.920 thing you could do is take a guy with high 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:32.040 expectations that sucks the energy out of the room, that 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.239 doesn't always want to be there, that doesn't play with 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.879 all out effort on every play. And I'm you know, 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.600 I'm not here to criticize Jalen Carter. Um. You know, 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.280 I think I've played with guys that we're not high character, 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.520 guys that were phenomenal players, that were game changers, but 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.359 more times than not they will fizzle out. So um, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.760 you know, I really respect his game. I think he 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:59.000 will you know, he will probably be a dominant three 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.600 technique or at least stay consistent three technique in the 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:08.480 National Football League. If I'm GM, you know, with the 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.639 inexperience that this team will have on the defensive line. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.680 I just don't know that I'm counting on a guy 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.680 that has a bit of a checker pass. Well, here's 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.480 what Marcus Spears on ESPN had to say recently about 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:22.240 Jalen Carter and just why he'd make an immediate impact. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.240 One of the things you talk about defensive lineman, especially 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.440 when they're young, is one how polished they are at 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:30.840 the point of contact. How much balance do you have 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.200 when you're getting bumped by other offensive lineman and the 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.399 trash and the things that are around you. His feet 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.280 stays off the ground, he never gets stuck, and his 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.919 lower body, his laura have, doesn't get knocked off of 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.960 his path to the football. That is immediate impact football 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.200 players on the next level, and he'll be that for 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.720 whoever takes him. So there you going, Marcus Spears on us, 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.080 And look Wolf, if the Cardinals trade down, Let's say 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.400 they make that trade with Tennessee and they're sitting there 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.520 at eleven, they might have to contemplate that scenario where 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.199 Jalen Carter is by far the best player on the board. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:10.119 But do they risk the character investment? Yeah, Paully, that 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.439 is the big question right there, And I kind of 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.880 fall with Kyle on this one right here. I just don't. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.320 I've just seen too many guys that had all the 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.879 talent in the world and could not put it together. 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.639 It really is the threefold nature of man polly, body, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.240 soul and spirit that has to be lined up and 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.320 aligned to Goid and actually have success, sustained success on 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.080 the field and off the field. And because of that, 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.560 once again, I would just say, beware, how many guys 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.520 have we already seen even in the organization. Robert Kimdici 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.879 was a guy that, my goodness, I where the Arizona 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.119 Cardinals drafted him at the end of the first round. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.000 I felt like that was the that was the killer 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.440 pick of that first round. And we all know how 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.760 that ended for the most parts. And I would just 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.600 say beware right now, I want a football player's mentality. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.000 I want football character, and I'm sure Jag probably is 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.640 looking for the same thing, and so is Montie Austin Ford. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.960 All Right, it's a big red rage here, presented by 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.760 Santan Ford and Gilbert ron Wolfley. There Paul Calves he 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.160 joined by Kyle Vanabosh. Kyle, did you see the mel 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.639 Kiper latest mock draft this week, whereas a Cardinal's trading 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.000 down with Tennessee going from three to eleven and in return, 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.600 the Cardinals get number eleven, number forty one in this 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.640 year's draft, and then a twenty twenty four round one 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.840 pick and in two twenty five round one or round 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:43.720 two pick. Would you pull the trigger on that deal? Yeah, 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:49.720 it depends where Will Anderson falls in their eyes. To me, 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.040 he's a can't miss. He's he plays with consistency, and 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.199 I think he can be that dude. I think he 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.200 can be the cornerstone guy. He can be your difference 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.760 maker on the deep into line. Um. Now saying that 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.119 this is a team that has a lot of holes, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.400 I mean, you lose you know, maybe your top cover guy, 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:12.200 you lose your top two interior pass rushers, um, and 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.800 you know you've you've you can still upgrade a lot 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.040 of positions on this roster. And with that type of 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.040 draft capital um that you're that you'd get in return, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.120 I think it would be hard to turn down. Um. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:29.639 You know, to me again, which where this team's at. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.600 You know we're going to be trying to fill a 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.600 bunch of holes again next season and the next season 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.760 with the one or two year contracts that that we 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.119 offered in the free agents that we signed. UM signed, UM, 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.359 I think we want some a little bit of stability. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:46.080 I think we want some rookies that we have some control, 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.959 that we can develop, that will UM that we can 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.080 build this organization around and not have to be in 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.440 the same situation every year where you know, we've got 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.880 thirty thirty five pending free agents and we're costly trying 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:04.919 to replug holes in the damn so UM. You know 0:22:05.040 --> 0:22:07.520 that's I think that's where we need to get is UM. 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:11.600 You know, at least have enough guys on this roster, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.920 you know, six seven on offense, six seven on defense 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.680 that are under multi year contracts, and then you then 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.200 you're able to just fill the holes in and possibly 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:26.600 upgrade those other spots. Kyle, who are the best quarterbacks 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.080 in this draft? Can you rank them for us? The 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:35.000