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Speaker 1: But if you don't mind, Red Sea, and you would

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Speaker 1: davis Is two point mock draft came out today had

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals taking Tyree Wilson and number three. Chris Simms

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Speaker 1: that Tyree Wilson had a Will Anderson and a couple

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Speaker 1: other guys ahead a Will Anderson. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of that? And you think the Cardinals maybe if they're

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Speaker 1: sitting there a number three and there's no potential trade

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Speaker 1: offers and Will Anderson is on the board as everyone expects,

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Speaker 1: do you think maybe they go another direction? Yeah? So

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Speaker 1: to answer your question, what the first question? Again, I

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Speaker 1: think it's people over thinking it. I think people are

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Speaker 1: looking at measurables, thinking that they can get more out

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Speaker 1: of a player than they've seen in the past, which

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Speaker 1: which obviously you do you hope to do with every

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Speaker 1: single draft pick. But you know, to me, outside of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback position, there's no bigger slam dunk in this draft. No,

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Speaker 1: you know, I am not a betting man, but if

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Speaker 1: I had to put money down on which player other

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Speaker 1: than a quarterback will be a future Pro bowler, it

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Speaker 1: would be Will Anderson. I mean he to me, he

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Speaker 1: checks all the boxes. Especially he's not just a pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: but in his pass rush, he's got such an explosive

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Speaker 1: first step. He's able to bend, he's able to corner,

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Speaker 1: he can close quickly, and in spite of you know,

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Speaker 1: it looks like maybe he could add more weight to

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Speaker 1: his frame, he might not be stout. He's really good

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Speaker 1: with his hands, and he uses his leverage well and

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Speaker 1: plays the run game well. So you know, there's you

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Speaker 1: can just look at what he did, you can look

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Speaker 1: at his production. You can look at the fact that

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Speaker 1: he was SEC Defensive Player of the Year two years

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Speaker 1: in a row, which you know, you're talking about the

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Speaker 1: best conference in college football, or at least the most

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Speaker 1: talented conference in college football, and he's been the best

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Speaker 1: defender at two consecutive years. I think I think a

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Speaker 1: team is getting too cute when you're trying to pick

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Speaker 1: somebody or try to reason a way that another player

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Speaker 1: might be better, more productive and had to have a

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Speaker 1: better career than Williamson. Yeah, I'm with them one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Kyle's it's his football i Q and his football character

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Speaker 1: that I absolutely love and want to see the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals get out I'm in the danger zone when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Will Anderson. It's Will Anderson or bust to

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Speaker 1: me for the Arizona Cardinals, I want the guy that bad,

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Speaker 1: although I will tell you I'd like to see him

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Speaker 1: trade with the Colts, get down to number four, actually

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Speaker 1: pick up a couple of picks and still get Will

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Speaker 1: Anderson at number four. Oh you know what, Adam Schefter

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Speaker 1: tweeting to start this week, they've quote at least six

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Speaker 1: teams have inquired about trading for that number three pick,

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Speaker 1: and then someone through out there that Houston could take

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Speaker 1: will Anderson at number two and then go from twelve

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Speaker 1: to three with the Cardinals and take the QB after

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Speaker 1: will Anderson. So we've seen it and heard it all

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Speaker 1: at this point. It is silly season. There's no doubt. Kyle.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always, we appreciate it. Have a good rest

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Speaker 1: of a week. We continue with a big red rage

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Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert right after this, and

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Speaker 1: gives them line quickly snapping it to Murray. It's a

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Speaker 1: play fake. Murray setting up looking deep now takes off

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Speaker 1: running the right at the thirty five, at the forty

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Speaker 1: and dives to about the forty four yard line, a

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Speaker 1: gain of three for Kyler Murray and I'm injured hard now.

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Speaker 1: It's Kyler who went down very awkwardly that time as

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Speaker 1: he tried to cut, oh, no non contact, the cut right,

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Speaker 1: then tried to cut left and just buckle. And there

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Speaker 1: was a Patriot player right there who called to the

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Speaker 1: cardinal sideline to bring on the training staff. I think

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Speaker 1: we all remember where we were. I was right down

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Speaker 1: to the sideline. It was right in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Just the manner in which he went down. It was

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Speaker 1: so awkward, and I think it took a moment for

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Speaker 1: some folks, but the sideline knew it. They knew it

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Speaker 1: right away. And sure enough, a season ending knee injury

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Speaker 1: suffered by Kyler Murray late in the season. And he

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Speaker 1: is now three months into his rehab coming off knee

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Speaker 1: surgery and he he very much looks like he is

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Speaker 1: on schedule, if not beyond schedule at this point based

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Speaker 1: on what we have seen and heard. It is the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. We

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Speaker 1: are santan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron locally special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Kyle Vanabosh, and you know we let Kyle go because

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Speaker 1: of his hatred for quarterbacks, and that's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about right now, Walf and the old Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray things. So okay, just give me your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: what the challenge here is. You're trying to get the

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Speaker 1: reset button on everything in the organization, yet you're missing

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Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback for who knows how long, just the

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Speaker 1: uncertainty alone. What do you think that does for this

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Speaker 1: team at this moment? Yeah, Paul, you know it's not

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Speaker 1: good that much. I will tell you right now. You

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Speaker 1: would like to see him out there as you're trying

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Speaker 1: to install this brand new offense. You'd like to see

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Speaker 1: him be able to go out on the field and

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Speaker 1: execute the plays. It's one thing to sit in the

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Speaker 1: meeting room and get all the terminology down and these schemes,

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Speaker 1: of course, to be able to execute those schemes, but

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Speaker 1: it's quite another thing to actually go out onto the

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Speaker 1: field and do it. And you'd love to be able

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Speaker 1: to see Kyler do that. That is not going to

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Speaker 1: be the case right now, and I think that will

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Speaker 1: be the biggest challenge for him going forward, to learn

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Speaker 1: the system in the classroom and then not be able

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Speaker 1: to go out on the field and execute it. He's

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Speaker 1: going to have to imagine the way that is like

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Speaker 1: until he is able to go out on the field

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Speaker 1: and do that. I think that's going to be the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge for him going forward. And he has company

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Speaker 1: in the rehab department, especially when it comes to knee injury.

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Speaker 1: Zach Ertz, Cardinals tight end. He was talking to the

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Speaker 1: media today. He's also trying to make his own comeback

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Speaker 1: this offseason, and zach Ertz was asked about Kyler's rehab.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's programs different. Some people have people squatting early, some

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Speaker 1: people don't. Kyle looks good. He looks like he's in

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Speaker 1: great spirits. I don't know. I'm not a strength coach.

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Speaker 1: I can't say how the video looked. But I know

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Speaker 1: everyone left seeing it that he is attacking this thing.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone's surprised by that. He's talking

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Speaker 1: about the video posters of social media Kyler Murray in

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Speaker 1: the squat rack, right, And I mean, I know it

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Speaker 1: exceeded my expectations at this point, three months after knee

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Speaker 1: surgery and he's squatting a considerable amount of weight. So

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Speaker 1: but I guess My question is Wolf, how different is

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Speaker 1: his comeback just based on the style of quarterback he plays.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, we saw Joe Burrow come

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Speaker 1: back and Joe Burrow and it was a work in progress.

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Speaker 1: He certainly was not one hundred percent when he returned

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Speaker 1: mid season for the Bengals, but he operated almost primarily

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Speaker 1: from the pocket. That's not really Kyler's game. So what

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Speaker 1: do you think that means in terms of his comeback? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that is the question mark right there, PAULI, it really is.

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Speaker 1: There are no guarantees. I do believe that Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: needs to go under center. You know my take on this.

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Speaker 1: I've talked to you about it many many times. We've

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Speaker 1: had this conversation, and I think it ultimately will help him.

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Speaker 1: But whether he's under center, in the shotgun or in

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Speaker 1: the pistol all the time right now, the biggest adversary,

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Speaker 1: the biggest nemesis of Kyler Murray, is going to be

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Speaker 1: himself and what his brain is telling him. You've got

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Speaker 1: to get over this. It's a hard thing to do.

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Speaker 1: Every professional athlete that suffers a serious injury, and that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what Kyler suffered when he blew that acl out.

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Speaker 1: It's a serious injury. You've got to mentally be able

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Speaker 1: to get on top of it and overcome it. Physically

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Speaker 1: is one thing, and it looks like, based on the

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Speaker 1: footage we've seen, it looks like Kyler Murray is coming

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Speaker 1: along with this rehab and doing it beautifully right now,

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Speaker 1: and physically it looks like he's healing. Mental is what

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Speaker 1: matters the most, though. Mentally you've got to get on

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Speaker 1: top of it and get over it. When that happens

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Speaker 1: for Kyler, we'll see there's no MRI or x ray.

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Speaker 1: That's right, your mentals, as Marshawn Lynch might say, right. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a great unknown. Look, Kyler has been around the

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Speaker 1: building this offseason a lot, and so he's investing the

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Speaker 1: time in the rehab. Yet the Cardinals also know that

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be available right away for an

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Speaker 1: undetermined amount of time, So it is going to come

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Speaker 1: up to the backup quarterbacks, right And here's Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 1: when he was asked about QB two colt. I think

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Speaker 1: he's doing great. I mean he's gets a little extra

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Speaker 1: work here and there, but he's ready to go and

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Speaker 1: happy where Kyler's at David as well, So like where

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Speaker 1: that room's at and where they're going, is that going

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Speaker 1: to be a competition between Colt and David. Everything's a competition.

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Speaker 1: Let that hang for a minute. Everything is a competition.

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Speaker 1: And I was sitting right there in that presscome so

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Speaker 1: we said it. I mean, he just it had a

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Speaker 1: different intonation to it, had a different look when he

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Speaker 1: said everything is a competition. I'm guessing Wolf when in

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Speaker 1: doubt he's going to fall back on that in trying

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Speaker 1: to reset the culture of the Cardinals. Yeah, Paully, and

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Speaker 1: this is why it's so important that guys show up

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Speaker 1: and they buy into the program and they model the

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Speaker 1: culture that is going to be out there. He said that,

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Speaker 1: Paully with so much conviction and said it without any

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Speaker 1: hesitation whatsoever. But he also said it with in a

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Speaker 1: very matter of fact kind of way. Everything's a competition.

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Speaker 1: Guess what is going to be part of the culture

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Speaker 1: of the new Arizona Cardinals. Everything is a competition. And

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Speaker 1: I think of Ken Wizzenhunt immediately when Ken Wisenhunt came

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Speaker 1: in as the first year coach, second year coach of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, he really that was a point of

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Speaker 1: emphasis he brought to this team, and the team ultimately

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Speaker 1: responded to that. But he made everything a competition on

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Speaker 1: the field, and I think that's what JG's going to do.

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Speaker 1: On the field and off the field. Everything's going to

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Speaker 1: be a competition, and I love the matter of fact

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Speaker 1: way he set it, including the quarterback spot with Ken

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Speaker 1: wizzenunt right with Kurt Warner and Matt la that was

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Speaker 1: a big time competition Cardinals camp that year. So he

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Speaker 1: referenced Cole McCoy, who, by the way, has a side

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Speaker 1: hustle this offseason. He's an analyst on the USFL telecasts.

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Speaker 1: So Cole McCoy is gonna be working on the USFL broadcast,

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Speaker 1: So a good gig for him there. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing that on the weekends and then being Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: QB during the week David Blout an other quarterback, and

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Speaker 1: then we got news today reports at least that the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals tried out Jeff Driscoll, twenty nine year old NFL

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. Seven years in the league. He's had ten

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Speaker 1: starts five different teams. Cardinals most definitely are in the

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Speaker 1: market for another quarterback right well, if nothing else, they

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Speaker 1: just need another arm. Yeah, no, that's what it is

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Speaker 1: right now, Polly. I don't know who they're gonna get,

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Speaker 1: who they're going to go out and sign, but that's

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Speaker 1: basically what they're looking for. Definitely, it might not be

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Speaker 1: just one. It might be actually two arms they bring

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Speaker 1: in to camp as well, depending on Colt Coy and

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Speaker 1: how well he's healing and how quickly he's recovering. But

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, this is the way that it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go right up until training camp. Get ready for multiple quarterbacks, Paul.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, just the mention of Jeff Driscoll

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Speaker 1: brings me back to the Houston Texans and the draft

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Speaker 1: last year they played Davis Mills, Kyle Allen, and Jeff driscoll.

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me they're not taking a quarterback at

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Speaker 1: number two? Come on, of course they are. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis taking a quarterback at least at number four, if

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Speaker 1: not trading up to number three when they've started a

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying all this other noise and smoke screens

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Speaker 1: out there. By the way, the Cardinals home schedule includes

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Cowboys, Ravens, Falcons, Bengals. How about that Godasy

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Speaker 1: We continue with a Big Red Rage. We'll talk receiver next.

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Speaker 1: I'm the seventeen yard line of the Bengals loaning. The

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Speaker 1: There's a wine cry thrown near side, leaping two at it,

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Speaker 1: find out catching the end zone put for the Ram touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Odell Peckham Junior near shide of the end zone, leaping high,

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Speaker 1: bringing it down. Matthew Stafford is just throwing a seventeen

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Speaker 1: lead in Super Bowl fifty six. Well that Kevin Harland

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Speaker 1: Westwood won that flashback. That was the thrill of victory,

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Speaker 1: agony of injury for Odell Beckham Junior in that game

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Speaker 1: the touchdown, he also at a knee injury that wiped

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Speaker 1: out his two twenty two season as he needed surgery.

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Speaker 1: And now the big question is all right with OBJ

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Speaker 1: off the market, what does that mean for d hop

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up this edition to the Big Red

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Speaker 1: Paul kelbc, Ron Wolf Wan Odell Beckham Junior to the

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Speaker 1: Ravens a one year deal worth fifteen million guaranteed. He

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Speaker 1: got the big money up to eighteen million potentially for

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Speaker 1: the thirty year old coming off an ACL injury that

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Speaker 1: wiped out all of last season. Wolf. Just the degree

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Speaker 1: of surprise when you saw that transaction, Yeah, no, Pollie,

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Speaker 1: I was shocked. And you know, we tend to think

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Speaker 1: I think of OBJ is being this really young guy

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Speaker 1: when he's thirty years old. You know, he is thirty

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Speaker 1: years old, And I honestly was surprised that there was

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Speaker 1: this kind of resolution on OBJ when I think DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Hopkins is a much better receiver. That's just me. I

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Speaker 1: totally agree, And I really wonder what it makes the

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Speaker 1: other teams out there to think about the future DeAndre Hopkins.

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Speaker 1: How much more willing might they be to get a

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Speaker 1: deal done to pay the big money that you know

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Speaker 1: d Hop wants, but also give the Cardinals the compensation

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Speaker 1: they seek. In fact, here's Adam Schefter about how he

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Speaker 1: keeps hearing about d Hop from all the fans. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people stop me at gas stations. Hey,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo bill is gonna trade for DeAndre Hopkins. No,

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Speaker 1: they're not. They're not gonna trade for DeAndre Hopkins. And

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Speaker 1: they're Jet's gonna No. I don't believe they are either.

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Speaker 1: And so there are only really a select few teams

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Speaker 1: here that makes sense, that are realistic, and DeAndre Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: I think it's to dictate where he'd like to go.

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Speaker 1: And again, you've got to find a team with the space,

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Speaker 1: the need, the willingness to compensate hours. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of factors involved. Everybody looks at it and just says,

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Speaker 1: go get DeAndre Hopkins. And when you tweet something announced

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, it's just not as simple as that. As

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Speaker 1: great as he has been for as long as he's been,

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Speaker 1: all right, So the difference between OBJ and T hop

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Speaker 1: obviously is that not only do you have to pay him,

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Speaker 1: but you had to pay the team he's coming from,

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Speaker 1: sort of like the Sean Payton equation. If you wanted

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton as a head coach, you had to pay

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Speaker 1: him the big money, but he also had to give

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Speaker 1: the Saints compensation in terms of assets of some sort.

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Speaker 1: So if you're Kansas City, if you're New England, if

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Speaker 1: you're the Bills, the Jets, Tennessee, all teams that reportedly

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Speaker 1: have had interest in DeAndre Hopkins at some point, Well,

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Speaker 1: how viable do you think it still is that between

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Speaker 1: now and the draft a deal is done. Yeah. Probably,

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Speaker 1: it's a great question right there. But honestly, I still

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Speaker 1: think because of d hop because of his raw unmitigated talent,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be moved, and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be moved before the drafts if it's the draft day, possibly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: i'd be open to that. I think that's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: But I still think even before the draft, even the

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Speaker 1: day before or the week before the draft, I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be moved. This is right now, prime time,

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Speaker 1: This is the peak of the draft, supter feud season

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Speaker 1: right now, But I think D hop is going to

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Speaker 1: be moved before the draft, Paul, Because I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what a CALVC consulting shout out to Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Sean McDermott. Guess what. This is a shallow,

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Speaker 1: weak draft in terms of receivers. There is no certainty

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Speaker 1: you're going to find a rookie, especially who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: plug in play what's left on the free agent market.

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Speaker 1: It's really d Hop and a huge step down after that.

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Speaker 1: So I do believe that somebody will recognize the value

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Speaker 1: and we'll give up the assets and the salary needed

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Speaker 1: to get a deal done. So right now, the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: have eight picks. They might have nine or more just

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Speaker 1: based on a d Hop trade. They might even have

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Speaker 1: more than that if they trade out a number three wolf.

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Speaker 1: As we're two weeks away from NFL Draft twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: breakdown your best case scenario or two. Yeah, Paul, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, once again, what I'd love to see happen

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Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals. This is just pine the sky,

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Speaker 1: but it's what I'd love to see the Cardinals trade

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Speaker 1: with the Indianapolis Colts. They move back to number four,

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Speaker 1: they collect a couple of nice picks, and then suddenly

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Speaker 1: they draft Will Anderson at number four because the Colts

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Speaker 1: want to move up to number three to get a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And whether that's CJ. Stroud or it's Anthony Richardson, who

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Speaker 1: whether it's Bryce Young, we don't think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, but whatever it is, they move up to

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Speaker 1: number three and they get one of those quarterbacks, maybe

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Speaker 1: even Will love us right there, and the Cardinals get

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson at number four. Oh my goodness, Paul, wouldn't

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Speaker 1: that be great? That would that would be a dumb

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Speaker 1: move back and still get Will Anderson. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: we have a winner. Then the other scenario is very

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Speaker 1: interesting as well. What if Houston takes Will Anderson at

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Speaker 1: number two right in front of the Arizona Cardinals. That

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Speaker 1: means CJ. Stroud is still going to be out there,

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Speaker 1: or that might mean Bryce Young is still going to

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Speaker 1: be out there at number three, And that's when the

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Speaker 1: number three pick goes right through the ceiling. That's when

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the phone calls start coming in

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Speaker 1: and teams want to move up to that number three

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Speaker 1: spot and they give the Arizona Cardinals a boatload of picks.

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Speaker 1: That to me, would be the best case scenario. Because

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson is off the board. The Houston Texans took

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Speaker 1: him right in front of you. That makes it an

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Speaker 1: easy decision to say, that guy's off the board, let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and collect a boatload of picks and then

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Speaker 1: will draft guys. I that to me is scenario number two.

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Speaker 1: How about you? Yeah, two years ago the Niners went

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Speaker 1: from twelve to three and they gave up three first

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Speaker 1: round picks and they took Trey Lance. So that'll do.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that. Or what mel kiper once again throughout

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Speaker 1: there earlier this week that if the Cardinals went from

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Speaker 1: three to eleven, very similar to that Niners trade back

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Speaker 1: in the day with Miami, that the Cardinals will get

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Speaker 1: number eleven, number forty one, and then in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four round one pick and then in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: or round one or a round two. Right. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Meli even went a little bit farther and he said, okay,

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Speaker 1: he forecasts you the Ardinoalds would take this year that

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Speaker 1: at number eleven, they would go ahead and take Tyree

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Speaker 1: Wilson at number thirty four, their own second round pick,

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Speaker 1: they would take the receiver out of TCU Quentin Johnston,

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Speaker 1: big receiver X receiver, and then at forty one, which

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Speaker 1: they get from Tennessee, they would take that defensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: that game wrecker on the interior D line they need

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Speaker 1: so desperately from Michigan. Mazi Smith six three three twenty

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Speaker 1: three with ridiculous athleticism. So you know what, you look

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Speaker 1: at that scenario, plus you get a first rounder in

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Speaker 1: twenty four and potentially a first rounder in twenty five. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I would trade out at number three. Yeah, PAULI, that

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Speaker 1: would be just killer if you could actually do that.

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Speaker 1: But to me again, Will Anderson, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: still point player. I think he is a guy that

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Speaker 1: not only impacts the game in a very tangible kind

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Speaker 1: of way in between the white lines, but also intangibly.

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Speaker 1: I think the intangibles that he brings to a locker

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Speaker 1: room and the impact he would have on his teammates

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Speaker 1: around him. This is the perfect guy to build your

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Speaker 1: culture on and build your culture around him. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm so high on him. But having said that, once again,

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Speaker 1: if the Houston Texans are going to take him at

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Speaker 1: number two, man sell the farm. And once again, the

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Speaker 1: Texans the last few years have run the likes of

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Speaker 1: Davis Mills out there and Kyle Alan and Jeff Driscol.

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Speaker 1: You can't tell me now. Then again, Demiko Ryans, we

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Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, were we not wolf that

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Speaker 1: Damiko Ryans wants himself and Nick Bosa you know that,

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Speaker 1: and Will Anderson would be that guy, and Houston has

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Speaker 1: a reputation of overthinking it. What did they do last year?

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Speaker 1: They took Derek Stingley Junior ahead of Sauce Gardner. So

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Speaker 1: the Texans do have a history, Nick as Sario and

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Speaker 1: company of maybe overthinking and get a little paralysis by

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Speaker 1: over analysis. Hey at Season six, episode two, A Cardinal's

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