WEBVTT - All Ball - Transfer Portal + NIL ‘Free Agency’, Defending Kawhi, Lakers/Grizz, 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.520 Hey, what a welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.560 all ball and we got some great shows for you 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:15.560 upcoming with the more long form interviews over so many 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.120 of the coaches and players that you that you love 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.560 and like, I did want to do a quick little 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.520 pod on a couple of things that are that are 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.040 going on in the world of hoops, and I thought 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:27.240 it was I think, like this is like a super 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:32.240 important time, believe or not, just because so many of you, 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.880 like me, we love basketball, surround, watch basketball, read social media, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.599 which has like kind of become our right like our 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:45.360 daily newspaper sort of thing, and if you read, you know, 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:47.960 now with everybody's comments being kind of judged the same, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.720 the freak out over colleges and their portal situation or 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.720 their rosters with the new world of the nil is 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.200 is really interesting and I want to get to that 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.320 in a second. We'll also talk a little bit about 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.720 the media, which I'm a member of. I'm not one 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.400 of these guys I hate get people that are in 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.480 the media and they'll say, like, you know the media, Like, well, hey, dude, 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.080 you're actually in the media, so whatever narrative is being set, 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:13.920 you are setting said narrative. So in the media which 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:17.520 I'm a part of, and our treatment of Kawhi Leonard 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.520 more specifically of how we break down the NBA, how 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.319 the NBA is covered. It's really interesting as you watch 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:26.600 kind of the polar opposite style coming from the NCAA 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.240 tournament to watching the NBA playoffs in terms of style 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.840 of coverage, and you know who people go after and 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.959 why they go after them. And then I thought we 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:38.520 could also do a little something, a little something on 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.480 the NBA draft as we're going to kind of crank 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.200 up closer and closer to the draft and some of 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.319 the coaching hires have been made. So let's start with 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.400 anil because I'll give you a couple of things that 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:55.160 are just like interesting. You know, with Nemhart going to 0:01:55.320 --> 0:02:01.080 Gonzaga Arizona, Twitter Nation is freaking out because the premise 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.480 of what people thought was Ryan Emhart's at Creighton. He 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.400 would only leave to go play somewhere that you can 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.440 maybe win a national championship or become like his brother 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.799 or pro And because his brother was supposedly recruited by 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.040 Tommy Lloyd, then of course he's going to go to 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.639 follow Tommy Lloyd to Arizona because Arizona lost Kirk Carrisa 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.120 and Kirk Carisa, by the way, signs at West Virginia, 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:32.320 which just feels I can odd fit. But I mean, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.200 Huggi and his group, they've done a really good job 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:37.120 in terms of NIL. They've gotten after it, They've got 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.480 the center from Syracuse, and they're they're rolling in terms 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.639 of kind of their new group as they're trying to 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:47.280 put it together. Let's just kind of explain sort of 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.160 how it works again, And this is because I've tried 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.359 to do a little bit of a deep dive into 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.040 NIL stuff, into the market and how it works by 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.840 talking to coaches, players, agents and really kind of informing 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.720 my because I knew or a thought I knew, But 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.880 the more you you listen and learn, you're like, wow, 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.280 it's kind of eye opening that it's not exactly as 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.920 it's perceived by most fans and by the media, and 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.600 maybe even my perception on some level is off as 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.840 not being as inside as somebody who's actually a college coach. 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.440 But generally, you know, you have different sorts of guys 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.440 that enter the portal, and many of these players that 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.600 enter the portal, the number one reason they enter the 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:34.240 portal is they're looking for more money. That's it. And 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.120 that's where we talk about free agency and the odd 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.640 part about calling college basketball in twenty twenty three free 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.080 agency is the difference in free agency and college basketball, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.640 and the difference in free agency in the real world 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.680 professional athletics is you actually have to fulfill your contract 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.800 before you can become a free agent. You know, like 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.480 in Major League baseball, think how many years you have 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.480 to play. Really, you got to play up to five 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.400 or six years of Major Lee League baseball time, not 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.600 even count the minor league to become an actual free age. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.720 And yet here in college basketball, I mean, then the 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:16.359 everything has gone from I thought a reasonable share in power, right, Like, 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:22.440 as much as it felt in the media like there 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.240 was an imbalance empower in coaches and administrators had this 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:30.200 ability to stop a player's career, the reality is, you know, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.080 for the longest time, if you felt like you were 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.479 being treated poorly, you could get out of your deal, 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:36.560 you could get to a new school, and you can 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.800 get to a place where you fit in better. Right 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.920 Whereas now there's a complete imbalance. There's you know, if 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.240 you want out of your national letter of intent, you 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.120 just ask out and they let you out. If not. 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.000 The just social media and social pressure is so great 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.839 regards to the fact that like no one forced you 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.800 to sign no one, no one forces anybody to sign 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.440 a national letter of intent. And yet when a team 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.840 goes out and gets a player in the portal that 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.880 plays your position, and you feel like you're not going 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.600 to play as much right away, you ask out and 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.719 generally get out, and then you're a free agent and 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.440 you can renegotiate a new deal with a new school. 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:18.240 That part is crazy. So if we start from the 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.160 ground level, right, we start from high school recruiting changing dramatically, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.680 where many college coaches will tell you like, man, I 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:27.880 still like recruiting high school kids, but I have to 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.000 go in knowing that there are some kids who you know. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.680 Hopefully if you get a top hundred, get top fifty kid, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.359 you think he can stay for a year or two. 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.000 And then outside of that, you got to either just 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.840 get guys that you know at the numbers game. How 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.480 many can you hold onto? What type of kid is he? 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:48.240 Is he willing a red shirt? Because you're going to 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:53.080 can be competing against you know, college players, grown men, 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:57.800 who have developed and honed their game, and whether or 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.800 not they were as highly tauted or have the upside 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.680 of your high school kid, you'd prefer them because he's 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.440 already been coached, he's already been in the weight room, 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.280 he's already played a college season, and at this point 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:09.960 in time, many of these kids that played at the 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.040 low major mid major level, all they want to do 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:13.839 is come in and win and think get a little 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.560 bit bigger check than the kid staying where they were previously. 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.720 So how it affects the high school recruiting is going 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.800 to be interesting moving forward because you know, how much 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.880 do you recruit high school kids, you know, because you're 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.840 signing them to eventually play on somebody else's roster. That's 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.080 just the reality to it. Look at the high school kids, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.560 and you know, if you talked to college coaches, they'll 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.719 tell you, like, you know, I can, maybe you play 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.239 a freshman, but having two on the court at one time, 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.920 unless they're an absolute pro, like, you're going to get 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:50.360 destroyed because you still have COVID six years, seventh year kids. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.039 You have low major mid majors that people missed on 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.719 because of the COVID years where they were just recruited 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.919 off of a off of a huddle video which was dated. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.800 I mean, it's a it's a hard thing. So high 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.040 school recruiting has changed dramatically, and now with the live 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.760 events going on, it's like a lot of these coaches. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:09.160 You talked to him like, yeah, I'm going there, but 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.200 I don't know do I go all in on any 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.679 of these high school kids knowing that I'm really recruiting 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.480 out of the portal and I and in the short term, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.080 that's what the sport actually looks like. I think that 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.080 that element to it is interesting. But let's just take 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:29.640 the Nemhart situation, right, like, whatever whatever you say publicly 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.200 has nothing to do with what's going on private. Right, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.880 you have to go all in on a player, you 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.320 go through an agent, which again completely legal. You go 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.560 all in, and then you know, at some point you 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.680 got to have kind of a backup plan. And when 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.320 Nemhart's brother shows, you know, is pushing him to go 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.920 to Gonzaga, it does show that it doesn't really have 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.000 to do with his relationship with Tommy Lloyd. And it's 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.320 not a negative towards Tommy Lloyd. It's just the reality 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.239 the kid had a great experience there and he wants 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.160 his brother to have a similar experience, you know. And 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.160 then Creighton goes out and they sign a kid who 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.360 I think is as valuable in the portal and Steven Ashworth. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:11.600 Now I'm interested as to whether or not Steven can 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.680 play the point full time because he's kind of like 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.800 a college version of Steph Curry where he can play 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.800 both point and off the ball. And then, you know, Creighton, 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.200 you get Baylor Shireman pack with Steven Ashworth pack and 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.880 holy cow, can you shoot the ball. And now it 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.960 comes down to what do you surround him with? Could 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.240 Creighton be better off? Even though Nemhart is a better 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.240 pure point guard than Steven Ashworth in terms of fit 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.600 and what you need and how you play, it does 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.240 feel like Creighton's going to return to the more totally 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.280 offensive mine had spread your court, shoot the three short 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.719 a team than they have been maybe the past year 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.520 and a half, and maybe that fits them better. Maybe 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.280 that's who they are. And what happens to Gonzaga is 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.880 Gonzaga looks like they're kind of back roll in here 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.680 getting high level recruits at high level transversely, like everybody's 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:03.400 talking about all these all the kids coming in from 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.360 the from the portal. For Gonzaga, he's Dusty Stromer's big time. 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.520 He'll play right away. And depending upon who else they 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.160 get to come back, you know, if they get Anton 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:15.760 Watson or maybe they go ahead and get another portal, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.640 big guy. I think I think Gonzaga is going to 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.360 be interesting, but I don't know if they're I think 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.640 they're better, you know, on the perimeter they were last year. 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.000 What happens to does Drew Timmy come back? He can? 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.640 He said, he doesn't want to say he's gone, but 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.880 he sounds the right to change his mind unless he's 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.240 actually signed. There's two different contracts, right There's the the 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.520 agent representative contract for college. Then there's the agent representative 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.320 for pro and unless you switch that contract over, you 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.040 can still return. It's it's just the craziest kind of 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.800 set of base rules that aren't crazy binding, with a 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:52.840 couple exceptions. Anyway, if you follow on social media, you'd 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.320 think that the end is near for Arizona hoops, and 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.960 it's reasonable to be concerned at this point in time. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.280 But here's you have to understand about the portal. There 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.840 are waves to it, and there's another wave coming right, 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.560 you have the first wave, which is kids, some of 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.440 whom were asked to leave, some of whom put their 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.360 name in hoping their current school would increase what they 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.200 were making in NIL and some kids that just want 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.120 to leave because they want to go make money elsewhere. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.840 They want to be that free agent. And then you 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.360 have the kids that have put their name in the 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:31.080 NBA Draft while maintaining their college eligibility. What does that 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:33.040 allow you to do? That allows you to be in 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.840 what you call the dark portal? Right in the portal 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.800 agents talking to people but not really talking to people, right, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.000 that would be illegal and that would be frowned upon, 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.240 but for just having a conversation and it doesn't involve 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:45.800 the player. And if he pulls this name out of 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.560 the draft, I mean, look at all the kids that 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.360 have put their names in the draft. So now what 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.160 happens The second wave of the portal is players go, 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.040 they have a workout. The feedback they get is, hey, dude, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.680 go back to college. You can make more money in 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.640 college now than and maybe you ever will as a pro. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.400 Stay as long as you can, and so some will 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.920 go do that. Additionally, there'll be a wave of players 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.560 who are at their current school chose to tell the 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.720 coach they were coming back, whether they renegotiated ANIO or not, 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.360 but we're probably told, hey, your role will be bigger, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.079 everything will be better next year, don't worry. And then 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.680 that same coach has a kid they take in the 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.080 portal and the current player gets nervous or doesn't like 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.240 the idea that there's another guy come in to compete 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.800 those minutes for those field goal attempts, and they put 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.200 themselves in the portal. Right, so there's at least another 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:39.120 wave or two coming from the portal, And my advice 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.959 to Arizona Wildcat fans is like, don't freak out. Tommy's 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.960 going to have a team. My guess is they'll be 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.440 pretty good. He's obviously been very good at international recruiting. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.360 That was his jam when he was at Contaga. And 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.480 there isn't the portal for those kids. There's all sorts 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.040 of and there are other kids that you may look 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.520 and say, no game changers in the portal, which is 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.679 not true. To Ron Armstrong, the kid who played at 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:08.120 Cal Baptist. I mean he's an elite point guard. He's 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.439 in the portal. Many people think he'll end up at Providence. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.640 But you know, now Arizona they have I'm sure money 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.840 to play with. They need a point guard and it's 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:17.880 been point guard you forever. Is that a place that 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.600 they would go Just a lot of different interesting elements 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.839 to it, which you know without talking to each coach. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.320 And again, even when you talk to the coaches, they're 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.559 not going to necessarily share with you their plan A, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.360 their plan B, their plan C. But any of these 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.199 guys that have been in this game for long enough, no, 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.440 you actually have to have about five guys at each 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.760 spot that you're recruiting at any time, and the second 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.920 they commit elsewhere, you got to go to the next 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.200 man up. And some of these deals, believe it or not, 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.960 our package deals, just like they've always been, only now 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.440 it's a package deal through an agency where you go 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.120 and the agency says, look, all right, if you give 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.040 me six hundred, you know, we get six hundred. We'll 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:00.280 get these three kids, you know, and one of the 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:01.959 kids could be a two fifty kid, one of the 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:03.839 kid can be one hundred kid, one of the kids 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.160 could be a one to fifty kid, right, and maybe 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.800 you overpace that you get all three in once like 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:14.360 that legitimately happens. So the message to the college basketball 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.920 fan out there is not every kid that doesn't choose 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.360 your school, your school completely wanted. Like, I know, I'm 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.880 not going to crush kids, but you know, I was 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.680 talking to one of the coaches of a top ten 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.480 team earlier this week and I asked him about one 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.800 of the higher level mid major low major players in 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.640 the portal that they had had on a visit that 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.960 they had reportedly offered, and his response was like, yeah, 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.120 we're not getting him, And I just ended of the 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.319 day I didn't really want him because he doesn't totally 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.800 fit with how I like to play. I mean, he's 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.120 like I like him, but he doesn't necessarily fit. You know, 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.200 whether it's a lot of these kids that played at 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.600 the lower levels because they're the star player, they haven't 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.720 played the level of defense you need to to compete 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.640 at the higher level, you know, or they've just you know, 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:08.439 they've been they've been dominant at that level. And now 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.600 you get to where there's like athletes, but guys that 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.960 are way more committed defensively, and can you hide that 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.080 while understanding that as talented as they are offensively, it's 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:20.960 not going to be as profound as you're playing against 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.560 high level competition in a higher level athlete. I think 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:28.320 all of that is is super super complex. And again 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.640 the message is like I didn't say I like it, 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.320 but understand that the process has changed dramatically, and I'm 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.280 just using Arizona as the perfect kind of jumping off point. Well, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.240 like four guys on a roster. Well last year at 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.400 the final four, so shortly thereafter, Kansas State had two 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:48.600 players on their roster, one of whom was Marquise Nohell, 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.720 who nobody was doing backflip flips to keep. And you know, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:55.040 they went out, used their connections and figured out a 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.040 way to put together a roster and how you're going 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.920 to do it again this year. So I just don't 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.000 freak out. Let's wait. You got to almost wait until August, 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:05.560 and by August you look at your roster and even 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.040 then you don't really know how good any of these 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.040 players are. You know, you talk to a coach, you're like, hey, 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.960 have you seen him? Yeah? I watched him on Synergy 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.760 And sometimes it's really hard to tell what does that 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.920 look like against an SEC Big ten, PAC twelve, Big 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.640 twelve level of athlete ACC level of athlete. It's like 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.160 a different sport, you know. So I think that part 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.240 is fascinating. And for these kids, many of the players 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.840 are very bright and they understand, hey, I'm never going 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.120 to be an NBA player. My path is going to 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.920 be overseas. It's not like overseas money out of the 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.080 gate is mid to high six figures. It's not a 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.360 lot of these guys that played at mid majors. You know, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.120 your first job is going to be less than one 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.120 hundred grand, you know, fifty to one hundred, and so 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 if you can make you know, one hundred one hundred 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.760 and fifty two hundred for one more year in college, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.440 why wouldn't you do that? Give yourself a little cushion 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.360 so that you can take your first job overseas and 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.960 you know, be able to still send money home and 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:05.120 take care of yourself and all of this now they'rein, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.880 by the way, lies kind of the rub and where 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.520 we're setting kids up for failure is the numbers being 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:16.600 thrown around are so obscene and really not realistic. You know, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.360 oftentimes you'll hear numbers in the six figures, and then 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:25.240 how they actually get to it is you combined Alston money, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.840 cost of attendance money. You know, you kind of piecemeal 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.520 it together and it ends up being close to that 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:37.160 number if and only if they achieve, said Marx. But 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:39.080 it's going to be interesting when these guys get out 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.760 of college, the reality that hits them when there's no NBA, 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.680 the G League is filled up with dudes and you 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.240 got to go overseas and you're like, wait, you want 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:49.800 me to play for what I made more than that 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.840 in college? Yes, you did. And then the last part 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.600 to it, which is really interesting, is going to be 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:59.520 how are these guys remembered and where is their quote 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:03.680 unquote basketball home, right. I mean, that part's really interesting. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.440 Like take Hunter Dickinson. You know, I know he can 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:10.520 put on the WWE character, you know, be the heel 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.119 sort of guy, but the reality is, I mean, he's 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.240 a hell of a player at Michigan. So reportedly he's 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.720 you know, he was kicking the tires on Maryland, kicking 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.919 the tires on Georgetown because he's from the area. What 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.600 does he do there? And now he's being recruited by 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:28.600 Kentucky and Kansas, and I kind of think that's one 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.720 of the two places that he'll end up, right and 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.679 if you're gonna leave Michigan and Juwan Howard as a 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.399 four year starter, you're gonna leave one. Not it's just 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.040 for the most money, but a place where you feel 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.040 like you can win a national championship, and those two 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:44.159 places you can. And he's probably more important, frank to 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:49.600 Kentucky than he is to Kansas because self always finds 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.359 a way, right whereas cal there's a little bit of 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.159 desperation there and Al is banking on his recruiting class 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.480 and going back to the start of the Nile discussion, 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.399 can you really win with eighteen, nineteen twenty year olds 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.640 against twenty three twenty four year olds. You know that's hard. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.040 And he's a I believe he's a winning player, a 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.960 damn good one, a really tough one. And though yeah, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.720 he can be a bit of a dick you need that, right, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.120 He's just you do you need an older player that's 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.200 not not afraid to make big plays, to be himself 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.840 to lead a team on the road, And that's Hunter Dickinson. 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.240 But I mean, you know again, think about Hunter Dickinson, like, 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:28.719 is he an NBA player? He was an NBA player, 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.720 he would have left for the NBA draft a long 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.639 time ago, so you know, on many levels, it's smart. 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.600 Hey dude, you can play another year. You can make 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.960 well into mid six figures, maybe seven figures. He goes 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.560 to Kentucky or Kansas, right, I mean, that's a legitimate 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.120 thought that how much that he can get, and it's 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.720 smart to do so. On the other hand, when it's 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.119 all said and done, is he an Kentucky guy or 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.119 a Kansas guy? Right? Like? Is he? You know, like 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.560 that's part of your basketball family, that's everything you do. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.920 And how welcome does he at Michigan as a Michigan man. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.560 Keep in mind, he I believe has a Michigan degree. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:15.040 So he fulfilled his service. But he could also have 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:16.800 stayed there for another year. He can still go back 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.240 there for another year. It's just going to be interesting 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.439 to look at this point right now, fast forward to 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.879 ten years from now, because every guy I know still 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.239 feels associated and tied to the schools that they went to. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.360 And when things go bad or they want to, you know, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.359 redo their life or get into coaching or you know, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.280 do pharmaceuticals, he goes whatever. The people you call on 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.439 are the people who cheered for you or played with 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.280 you in college. Right, What happens to these guys that 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.919 played four or five years at a good school and 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.040 then they left him played, you know, for nine months 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:54.439 at another good school. Where's their home? That's fascinating to me. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.679 We'll talk about that more in future pods. I have 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.840 one coming up my next spot with Darren Heighten, who 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.520 negotiates a lot of these nil deals, and you'll get 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.479 a much greater insight into how it works from his 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.919 perspective as a lawyer and agent and representative of some 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:09.760 of these players. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:13.080 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.480 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.720 dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:21.480 listen live. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.280 Let's talk NBA for a second. I'm really bothered by 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.520 the coverage and treatment of Kawhi Leonard. I saw Steven A. 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.119 Smith say that always he's the worst superstar ever and 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.119 he's done with him. He should just go retire, Like, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.960 how have we gotten to this place where it's ever acceptable? 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.920 I am just like anybody else. I hate the load management. 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:47.560 And my belief is that basketball players play basketball right 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.520 like you're gonna play. Most basketball players play basketball six 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:55.840 days in a week, you know, and twice on Central. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.639