1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: The fields on a group proudly presents Huddle Up with 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. J P. Shadrick, John Ojer and NFL Network 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: analyst and former Jaguar Buckey Brooks bring you the latest 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: on your jackson Ville Jaguars. Everything's got to be about 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: the future, has gotta be about tomorrow and bringing all 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: that into focus as we, you know, attacked the season. 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks starts right now. Welcome in 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. Today's Wednesday, May eighteen. J P. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Shadrick with the NFL Network analyst Buckey Brooks, Jaguars dot 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: Com senior writer John Oser. Give us a listen yes 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: on the podcast page imagine that at Jaguars dot com 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: or on the Official Jaguars podcast network, on iHeart Radio, Apple, Spotify, 13 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. John and Bucky. Hello, 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: how we doing? What's up? John? How are you feeling great? 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we had two days of Rookie Minicamp, which 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: for me, you know, it's Heaven Vacations and then Rookie 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: Minicamp in that order. It's heaven for him, Bucky. The 18 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: coverage was extensive, it was thorough. I could tell that 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: there was a lot of thought and contemplation put in that. 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: I love the fact that you were out there dealing 21 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: with the elements and stuff. I was able to get 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: pictures to back up to bring the words to life. 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: It was very compelling, very compelling. I felt like I 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: was right there. I felt like I was writing in 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: an O four a lot of observations. I'm not criticizing 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: the concept of rookie minicamp. My point on this is, however, 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: it's important for the people involved with it, for the 28 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: teaching that goes on, for the reality of what we do, 29 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: which is to observe. I get that Bucky's the scout 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: and he could probably see things that we don't see. 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: But for the purpose of trying to observe, you can 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: walk out there. You can see if they can run, 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: you can see if they're big, you can see if 34 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: they will strong. But a rookie man, especially in this 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: day and age, it's fine. You gotta be there, you 36 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: talk to them. But to think you're actually evaluating anything, 37 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: is you know, well, I mean, I would say this Bucky. 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: Apparently they did evaluate some things, because they signed four 39 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: tryout players from the camp over the weekends so that 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: means they're evaluating something, always, always evaluating. Every opportunity is 41 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to impress somebody. And so what I liked 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: about what I heard from the practices they were individual sessions, 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: a lot of individual work because you guys got on 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: me about hey, you know, we can't compete no team 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: or whatever. So a lot of individual drill work. You 46 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: get a chance to see you guys. You can chance 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: see if they move. The number one thing in rookie 48 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: minicamp you want to see if the guys belong. Does 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: anyone look out of place? Um? Is anything different from 50 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: what you thought they would be based on how you 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: evaluated them off film and the workouts? Did you put 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: them out there? Did they look like NFL caliber players? 53 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: If they can't look the part, that gives him a chance. 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: And so as long as they didn't appear to be 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: any egregious misses. When it came to the draftees, it's 56 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: a fairly successful in mini camp. The only news you 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: can get as bad news and recommending yeah we've seen that, Yeah, 58 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: I've seen that again. I was really impressed with Trayvon Walker. 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: Oh he looks at six five to seventy two. He's 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: all of that. But I probably would have been impressed 61 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: had I seen him out front on the field to 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: be impressed. But he was really impressive on the field. 63 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: It's impressive about tray Lion. That was an unpadded practice. 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: When you watched him, you weren't sure because he looked 65 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: like he had on pats. He's that Yeah, he's taller 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: than I thought he was, Bucky. I'll be honest with you, 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize he was that tall. Yeah. 68 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: I got a chance see some of the clips from 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: him going around the bags like they were doing like 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: a little pass rest drill and he's attacking the dummy 71 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: to dummy that has the ball kind of thing, but 72 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: the tomahawk chocking. I'm just looking at the length that 73 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: he uh that he has. And I also can understand 74 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: just in watching the movement skills, the little blurbs that 75 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: I had a chance to see, I can see why 76 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: scouts would be fascinated by him because he looks exactly 77 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: how you want him to look like. If he if 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: we're getting off the bus and he's the first one 79 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: off the bus, you're like, yep, that's how they're supposed 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: to look and so um, you know a lot of 81 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: you made about like the production and the sack production 82 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: in those things. But if he's available, if he's disruptive 83 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: and helps the defense play at a much better level 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: than they played in the past couple of years, look, 85 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: man would be well worth to pick. Yeah, I mean 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of sense. I also like 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: the Devin Lloyd debut this past weekend. On the field, 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: you you know what he is, you know his resume 89 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: at Utah, But then you get to talk to him 90 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: a little more extensively in a media session and hear 91 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: about his already working with Josh Allen and the one 92 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: smooth off to the side on his own own before 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: he even shows up a rookie mini camp. That that 94 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: tells you his head's in the right place. And then 95 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: you hear this guy talk and I mean he could 96 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: be John you said a few a number of times, 97 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: he can be a star in this marketplace, and then 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: obviously on the field too, he can do some great 99 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: I think he'd be a star in any marketplace. I 100 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of went with this marketplace because he had said 101 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: duval on draft night, and that was really cool and 102 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: really fun Uh. Look, I always defer to Bucky on 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: this guy, because Bucky was writing about him for the 104 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: website two weeks for the draft and ranking him higher 105 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: than any other linebacker in the draft period, regardless of 106 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: edge off the ball whatever. He much like the other 107 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: four and I'm referring to four at the two round 108 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: three guys, two round one guys. Uh, very impressive people 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: to talk to. Uh, Trayvon Walker was impressive. I mean 110 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: he's not gonna be Devin Lloyd in terms of being 111 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: the dynamic guy that gets on stage and yells do vall. 112 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: He's not gonna probably embrace fans when he sees them. 113 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: And you know, I live in Springfield and Devin Lloyd 114 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: was over at an ice cream shop in Springfield the 115 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: other day and taking picture. I mean he's a man 116 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: of the people and and he loves that. I don't 117 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: think Traylon Walker is going to be quite that outgoing 118 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: different personality. It's okay, But to listen to all four 119 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: of these guys, Fortner, Muma, Walker and Lloyd, they're impressive kids. 120 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: And I get weary of the cliche. They love ball. 121 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: You know, you hear that all the time. Bucky loves that. 122 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: Along with Swiss Army Knife. You know that they love ball. 123 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: But these guys you can tell in their personality they 124 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: want to they want to be here, they want to 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: be a part of it. You can see why a 126 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: new coach, new regime would want this group as part 127 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: of their core. So on that front, you do get 128 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: a lot of work minicamp. And I like these guys 129 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: personality wise. They look like guys who if they don't succeed, 130 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: it won't be because they didn't put forth all the 131 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: effort to do it. Yeah, I think the big part 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: of it when you're trying to rebuild a team in 133 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: the organization, you want to make sure that you bring 134 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: the right kinds of guys. In uh, what is the 135 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: old business book, UH Good to Great, Jim Collins talks 136 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: about you got to get the who right before you 137 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: can do to what. So you got to get the 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: right people on the bus before you can figure out 139 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: where we're going. And so when you think about those 140 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: guys and the character, the football character that they exhibit, 141 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: and the intelligence, the toughness that you see, um, the 142 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: the kind of passion that comes out in terms of 143 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: like how much football means to them, how they prioritize it. 144 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Those are the things that you want, and whether they 145 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: can play or not, you can feel good with the 146 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: draftic knowing that at least they've got the right kind 147 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: of guys, the kind that look it means a lot 148 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: to them. They're can pour into it. They're gonna try 149 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: and do everything in their power to kind of maximize 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: as their talents and if it works out, great, If 151 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't, you can live with it because at least 152 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: you did the research. Unleash. You try to bring in 153 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: the right kinds of people into the organization, and if 154 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: you get enough of the right kind of people, the 155 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: team will turn around. And the turnaround will be felt 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: immediately because everyone is pulling the boat in the same direction. Well, 157 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: every draft pick, to a degree is a crap shoot, 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: and you can see what you want about a dead 159 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: solid lock. Every draft pick has an element of risk 160 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: because you don't know how they're gonna play against the league. 161 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: So having that character on that front, I always say, 162 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: if the draft is a percentage game, having that knowing 163 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: that they will maximize their ability reduces your risks. So 164 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm always all four guys who are good guys when 165 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: they come in enthusiastic. Uh. You know, they just gotta 166 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: package that with being able to punch a guy them out. Yeah, yeah, 167 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: that's what you want. You want some guys that are relentless. Uh. 168 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: We hear about it all the time in sports. You 169 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: won't guys who have dog mentality, you know, like they're tough, 170 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: they give great effort. There's a little bit of relentlessness 171 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: about him. I know that that little phrase like made 172 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: Jo likes it. I like the dog mentality. But yeah, 173 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: that's what you're looking for. You looking for people that, 174 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: um come in. It means a lot to him. Um, 175 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: they want to play at a high level, and they're privful, 176 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: they're proful in their performance and so this class man 177 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: I really really like. I really like those guys. Look. 178 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: I have an unabashed uh Devin Lloyd fan, but look, 179 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: my affinity for him is matched by my affinity for 180 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: MoMA and what he brings. And I think from a 181 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: defensive standpoint, Trayvon Walker, if you put him in the 182 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: right position to play to his strengths, I think those 183 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: three guys would be foundational pieces for defense. That is 184 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: good for a long time and a question for the 185 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: scout here. Oh good idea for the scout. Um, it 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: feels like we've been over this a lot, but a 187 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 1: podcast is a long form content. You can go over 188 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: whatever you want. Tell me again, Bucky, how you see 189 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Muma and Lloyd both being able to contribute? Uh? Why 190 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: do they work together? How can they work? Because I 191 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: get it, We've talked about it, but that's still the 192 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: question that I get over and over and over again. 193 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: Did they draft the same player? You know? Do you 194 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: draft one guy's back up? I don't think so, But 195 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: you're better at explaining that than I am. Stylistically, they're 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: different players. Devin Lloyd is more of UM, a hybrid 197 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: player that can come off the edge while also being 198 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: an off the ball linebacker. UM, he's not the same stylistically, 199 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: but Devin Lloyd can do some of the Michael Parsons stuff, 200 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: meaning that he can blitz from the second level, He 201 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: can play in space and cover. He can come off 202 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: the edge if you need him to, and be a 203 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: stand up rusher in sub packages and situations and get 204 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. And the great thing about him is 205 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: he has production on paper that backs up those things 206 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: that show up on tape. So when you watch him 207 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: move around and you watched our Utah use them. His 208 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: production shows that, man, this is a guy that can 209 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: do a bunch of different things and can do it 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: at a high level. MoMA is uh what I call 211 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: a new school linebacker that has all the traits that 212 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: you have to have to play at a high level 213 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: in this league. Now as an off the ball linebacker, UM, 214 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: he has outstanding instincts, diagnostic skills, great communicator, high I 215 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: q uh. You watch him play, he gets his hands 216 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: on the ball in the passing game. He rarely misses tackles. 217 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: As a sideline the sideline defender, he is UM. Look, 218 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: I think he can play well, but he's a perfect 219 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: mic linebacker. I think in a perfect situation where we're 220 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: looking at the new UH three linebackers, Devin Lloyd is 221 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: a same linebacker. Strong side linebacker that can sometimes come 222 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: down hand come down and maybe you walk him over 223 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: to tight end. Can be heavy handed. Sometimes you walk 224 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: him and let him do his thing. I think Muma 225 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: can play Mike and even play will you know, and 226 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: like treason editions is just another good player. And I 227 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 1: think what what happens is draft philosophy. They always talk 228 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: about take the best player available, And then what you 229 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: do is when you take the best player available in 230 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: every round, it gives you an opportunity to have a 231 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: team for the really good players. And then it's on 232 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: the coaches to figure out, Okay, how do we get 233 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: all these pieces? How we how we put these guys 234 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: on the field. What kind of packaging can we create? 235 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: What what do we do? Do we now play maybe 236 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: uh two four five defense where we have two D 237 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: alignment on the field, four linebackers moving around and roving, 238 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: uh to maximize the speed and the talent that we have. 239 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 1: Do we do three three five? There are a number 240 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: of combinations, But what you want to do is put 241 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: your best guys on the field. And so the first 242 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: thing to get a bunch of good guys and then 243 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: figured it out later. And that could change week to week, right, 244 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: I mean depending on the opponent. You're gonna play a 245 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: different brand of defense against the Titans with Derrick Henry 246 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: than you are against the Chiefs. Yeah, it can't change, 247 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: And a lot of it depends on what the guys 248 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: can handle. When it comes to uh, how much of 249 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: the playbook can they pick up? How do the coaches 250 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: give them the playbook? Do they make it where all 251 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: of a sudden, we now look at the defense that 252 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: operates utilizing what we call snowflake game plans, where each 253 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: and every week is a different plan. It's not the 254 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: same defense. We don't see them line up in a 255 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: four or three cover two and play that from today 256 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: into the Cows come home. Maybe one week they're more 257 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: of a four three team, the next week there three 258 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: or four team. The week after that they played primarily 259 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: in a variety of nickel packages. That might be the 260 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: way that they go down. But you know, the better 261 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: the players, the more flexibility you have, and the more 262 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: creativity the defensive coordinator can kind of bring to the table. 263 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: Right I, for one, jp A, I am worn out 264 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: on there being so many good players around here. So 265 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's why I'm mad about the 266 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: moment pick because we've had too many others. Has been 267 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: a problem for these coaching staff for uh for decades 268 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: is figuring out where to put good players. Well, I think, 269 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: so here's the thing, Like the best time, the last 270 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: time we saw a really good defense and a really 271 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: good team was twenty seventeen. Look at the linebackers that 272 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: was that were on that squad and how they utilized 273 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: them Telvin and Jack and Paud, like, they found a 274 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: way to utilize the talents and they put him on 275 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: the field. I think you could have a similar situation. 276 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're going to recreate Saxonville, because 277 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: I still think we're lacking a little bit when from 278 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: the past fresh aspect, But that defense had a lot 279 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: of speed, a lot of athleticism, and a lot of versatility, 280 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: and they were able to use that to their advantage. 281 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Remember JP on that two has a seventeen team. Uh, 282 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: you know Dante Fowler. I don't know that he really 283 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: had a true position on that team. You know, he wouldn't. 284 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: I guess he was a starter, not really over yawn, 285 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: you know, like they're really well, I mean except for 286 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: when he didn't Yeah, but he really didn't you look back. 287 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: He really didn't never roll per se. But he had 288 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: ten sacks and forced a bunch of fumbles. And he 289 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: wasn't the best player in the defense, but good enough 290 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: to find a place for him. Aaron Coleman was the 291 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: nickel you know, and played something you know, so uh, 292 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm into what Bucky's saying. I mean, it's when you 293 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: I've never known a team in the NFL that two 294 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: whine about having too many guys who could play. Certainly 295 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: haven't known it around here. So to me, the Moment 296 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: pick was a huge step in the right direction philosophically 297 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: for that reason. You know, yeah, I think I think 298 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: it will pay dividends down a lot. This is a 299 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: really good player, man. I hate to keep comparing him 300 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: to his my teammate, Logan Wilson and what Logan Wilson 301 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: has been able to do for the Cincinnati Bengals, but 302 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: you have to compare him because stylistically, man, they play 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: so similarly in terms of the way that they control 304 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: the middlefield, the way they're able to play in coverage, 305 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: the way they get their hands on the ball, and 306 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: they make a ton of disruptive plays. Moment strikes me 307 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: as the same kind of player. And what was impressive 308 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: And I know sometimes like this stuff can be for show, 309 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: but how quickly he wanted to dive into the playbook, 310 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: how he wanted to playbook right away, and how he 311 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: wanted ownership and how I think ball. He was the 312 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: one that mentioned, hey, he's a green dot player and 313 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: people have to understand the green Dot player is the 314 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: one who makes all the calls. He's the one that 315 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: communicates with the coaches. He has the UH mike and 316 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: the earpiece in the helmet. He's the traffic cop. And 317 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: for him to want to embrace that and to do 318 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: what he's always done to me, that makes it easy 319 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: because if he does become that, then it frees up 320 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: the other guys to just focusing on plane and that 321 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: allows them to play fast. That allows them to play free, 322 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully it leads to a bunch of plays, bunch 323 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: of splash plays. This is the Huddle Up Podcast J P. Shadrick, 324 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: John Osan and Bucky Brooks and a dog in the background. Bucky, 325 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: what's what's the lay of the land with the dog situation? 326 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: That dog has that dog has a dog dog mentality 327 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: over there, dog metelli so that that might be Luna, 328 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's Luna or if there's Parmesan, 329 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: because Parmesan is the dog next door. And so sometimes 330 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: they get to going. And so today I think you 331 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: have the gardeners running around people all over the place. 332 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: So has a gardener? Wow, must be nice? Yeah, that's 333 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: uh okay, Hey, Bucky, how's the gardener? Then? I didn't 334 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: see big as your garden, did it was my garden. 335 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: There's a gardener running around next as a gardener. That 336 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: somebody who would name their dog Parmesan. It's fair, and 337 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: that's not my dog. Luna is my dog, is the 338 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: neighbor's dog. We'll come back in a moment, a hiring 339 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: for general manager Trent Ballky and the personnel department, and 340 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: look ahead to organize team activities. The Jaguars are future 341 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: focused and ready for a new look in twenty two. 342 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: Join us of the bank. This season plenty of great 343 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: home games in Jacksonville as head coach Doug Peterson and 344 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: quarterback Trevor Lawrence lead the charge. Visit Jaguars dot com 345 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: slash tickets. We're called nine oh four six three three, 346 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: two thousand more after this. Welcome back to the Huddle 347 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: Up Podcast. J P Shadrick, Bucky Books, John Ozier. The 348 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: Dailies Place schedule is Redlumineers. Last night. They're playing again 349 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: tonight on Wednesday at Daily's Place. May twenty, that's Friday. 350 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: I believe Sting will be here May Chicago, June four. 351 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Taco and Margharita Festival tickets and information at 352 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: Daily's Place dot com. Staying on Friday. Buck on Friday, 353 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: but I want to know about the talk with Margharita theme. 354 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: What was the date on June four? Two days? Might 355 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: be might be a trip you might to make it. 356 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: Come in and check out O T s h. It's 357 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: a Saturday. Yeah, check out. See if we can find 358 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: a little spot down at the beach, you know, make 359 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: sure and get some tacos and you know, and then 360 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: maybe a little football on top of that. Huh okay good? 361 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, by the way to Yeah, we have all 362 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: that dating. Just do it all at this day. Come 363 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: check it out because I think there's an open media 364 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: O T A that next Monday or Tuesday, I believe, so, 365 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, full weekend. Yeah that's a little full weekend. 366 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: Get a full weekend. Get all that and then to 367 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: come back on Monday and see what's going on. I 368 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: like it. I don't know how you'll be able to 369 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: handle all that schedule. But here staying staying for the 370 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: for the Taco Night a couple of weeks around around town. 371 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: He's moving it around. He's a big taco busy. Thanks Um, so, hey, 372 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: there was a hiring in the personnel department earlier this week, 373 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: in fact, I think today on Wednesday, they announced that 374 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: the Jaguars hired Ethan Waugh as assistant general manager. He 375 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: was with Trent Bulky out in San Francisco. He was 376 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: the VP of player personnel with the forty Niners. The 377 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: last year or so, he was the director of college 378 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: scouting and football systems for the team as well. What 379 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: do you know about wa Bucky, Well, obviously, like Trent 380 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: Parking once is around himself with guys who look at 381 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: the game through similar eyes. And so while comes from 382 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: San Francisco, we understand the success that the Niners have 383 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: had is a team that has gone to the Super Bowl. Um, 384 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: they've put together rosters that everyone around the league would 385 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: certainly say among the most talented in the league. And 386 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,959 Speaker 1: so you get another guy who understands what championship caliber 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: football looks like. And so because he has a relationship 388 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: with Trent, that you have those guys work in lockstep 389 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: to make sure that they for ified the roster with 390 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: enough uh what were called blue chip players to give 391 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: the Jaguar as a chance. And so as we kind 392 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: of look at this from a long term vision. For 393 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: the Aguars to be able to play at the championship level, 394 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: you have to have tended till blue chip players, players 395 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: that you would consider top five, top ten of their 396 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: respective positions. And so you have to have guys in 397 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: the building that know what that looks like and can 398 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: find a way to acquire that kind of talent. All right, 399 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: joining the team. Um, now we didn't ask you, Bucky. 400 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: We haven't had you since the schedule came out that 401 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: came out on Thursday. What do you What do you 402 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: think of the Jaguars schedule? Well, I mean I like 403 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: the schedule. Um, you know, like yesterday I got a 404 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a debate on total access with willim 405 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: Aginnis because we were breaking down the Colts schedule and 406 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: early in the season the Jaguars playing him twice within 407 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: the first eight games, you know, and so I was like, oh, 408 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: two dubs were Jacksonville right there? Considering the matchup and 409 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: the robbery and all that other stuff. You don't you 410 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: don't come into Jacksonville if you're the Colts. I mean 411 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: it's been a while, okay, yeah, so they can talk 412 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: about it being a thing, But now I feel I 413 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: feel good about it. Obviously there's some tough games. It's 414 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: a tough slate, but um, it's about getting the quarterback 415 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: up and going. If you get Trevor Lawrence up and 416 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: going with the veteran receivers and those things, if the 417 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: offense can jump and begin to score some points and 418 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: do some stuff, it's about building momentum. So look, I 419 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: got attack the first quarter to season and see where 420 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: we stand. But hopefully you just get better and better 421 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: over the course of the year and you feel good 422 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: about the results at the end. I ain't intriguing sched 423 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: We talked about a lot last week, but four out 424 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: of the first six on the road, those two home 425 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: games or against I believe Houston and the Colts you 426 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: better get those. I mean, it's it sets up. I'm 427 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: not a big believer that you truly know scheduled difficulty 428 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: until about five or six weeks in because the league 429 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: changes so much now. But logistically, to me, this is 430 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: a tough schedule because of the four six away early 431 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: and then four or five away late. Uh, you know 432 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: it's uh, those are the elements that make it tricky 433 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: to me. And then you've got November staring at you, 434 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: which history tells you that the Chiefs and the Ravens, 435 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: which are in that group, they don't really go up 436 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 1: and down. Even when the Ravens, even last year when 437 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: they struggled, they're they're never an easy out. I I 438 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's really tough, and I think 439 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: it's really important for them to get off to they 440 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: play the first eight games, they have one postseason team 441 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: from the correct I think it's tied for the second 442 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: in the league of easiest schedule from last year's wins 443 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: losses over the first eight games. But do this. But's 444 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: the problem with that stat is you have one out 445 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: of eight postseason teams from last year. Three of the 446 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: ones that didn't make it are the Colts, Colts and Chargers. Well, 447 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, I would I would have said last year 448 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: eye test, there were ten long stretches where they seem 449 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: like postseason teams to me. So it's the NFL bucket 450 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: ain't supposed to be easy. No, that's supposed to be easy. 451 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: But I think you could make like, look, they start 452 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: out with Washington, and Washington has a quarterback that just 453 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: struggled against the team that quarterback ahead and give you 454 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: a dub for that one. He's locking it down. He's 455 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: be locking a w okay Bucky. Yeah. So then we 456 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: get the Colts coming to Jacksonville automatic horror. So right 457 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: now we're looking at maybe a two and old start 458 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: good start. What you got next to get chance to 459 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: come to the neighborhood, chance to come to l a. 460 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: You some some tacos. I get some fish tacos out 461 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: this way, you know, celebrate a little bit. But that's 462 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna be a tough one. The Eagles, We'll be tough 463 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: in week four because the running game is a little 464 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: complex with Jalen Hurts and those things that can be 465 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: a rough one. Texans we owe them from last year. 466 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Then we played the Colts again. So if you think 467 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: about the first games, theres some ends pop up and 468 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: if you get some Doug gets the team playing well. 469 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: Didn't get the Giants? Did? We go to Wimbley and 470 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,239 Speaker 1: we play the Broncos and everyone is talking about how 471 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: good the Broncos is gonna be, But I don't know 472 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: how good they're gonna be. Like, I mean, I don't 473 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: know Russell is there, but I don't know how great 474 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the team is. I'm just saying that 475 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: if you get a chance to start out fast and 476 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: just win a couple of games, a couple of games, 477 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: get a little momentum, start feeling good. Who knows you 478 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: just Scinnati Bengal thing. You know what I just heard. 479 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: There was six and two in the first date. That's 480 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: what I heard come out of your mouth. Six and two. Uh, 481 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: six and two. Let's go. Here's here's what I go. 482 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I go Watchington, I go Coats. We'll split with the 483 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: Colts Texans. So that's three. There's three and three giants. 484 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: That's four. I think we can get four out of 485 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: the first aide four and four amazing and amazing. I 486 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: mean I a shot at four and four. I think 487 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: the schedule sets up that they should be competing. They're 488 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: playing well, yeah, I can get that. I think about 489 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: Let the seventeen team just go back a little bit. 490 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: They were three and three, and they were fighting earlier 491 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: in the year, and then also they caught fire late. 492 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: It was a December schedule. They got going and Blake 493 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: was playing. That was you know, my experience in the league, 494 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: which unfortunately is going on twenty eight years. Typically these 495 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: conversations the schedule especially I'll couch us by saying I 496 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: was gonna say, you never know how that season is 497 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: going to go. Well for the jag Wars of late, 498 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: you you have sort of know it's gone bad. But 499 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: when a team is good, uh, more times than not, 500 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: everything that you talked about before the season, you rip 501 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: it up once you're three games in and and you're 502 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: fighting through it. The stretch that you thought was going 503 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: to be quote easy, you lose one and then you 504 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: run off. Yeah. So uh the amazing Charger statu to me, 505 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: everybody talks about certain teams to give teams problems. The 506 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: jag Wars last five games out there out West against 507 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: San Diego, they've lost by eighteen points a game. They 508 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: have gotten throttled by the Chargers out there, and now 509 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: it's over a long period of time, feel but they've 510 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: never won out there, and they have gotten handled so 511 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: until Mike. Mike McCoy's here now, so we got that 512 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: we have McCoy a good guy. All right, Well, well, John, 513 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: you know what you just did. You just just ruined 514 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: the post game spread that I was gonna lay out 515 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: for us in l A. So now if we're gonna 516 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: do anything, we need to be in a celebratory move 517 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 1: before the game. So we have to eat before the game. 518 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: We can't eat after the game because you're talking about 519 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: eighteen point losses every time we venture out to l 520 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: A Like, that's not gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, 521 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: can get you early again. I started go back to 522 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: sometimes with the Jags or the last ten years. Is 523 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: those stats you can throw them out about a lot 524 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: of them, a lot of opponents. So yeah, but the Chargers, 525 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: for one, have been a a tough matchup. But going 526 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: out west has been tough for this team. So it's 527 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: sort of the same stat if you were going a 528 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of places. So the one thing, yeah, the one 529 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: thing decision is coming back to London, trip and then 530 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: playing a game, not getting to buy. I know people 531 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: sometimes trip off of that. They played the Broncos, didn't 532 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: come right back and play the Raiders. Um, they played 533 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: the Raiders early. As you like, John, everything is at 534 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: one o'clock with the exception of one game, Like, everything 535 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: is early. The only year we've had to buy, I mean, 536 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: the only year we haven't had to buy after London 537 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: was seventeen. That's right. They went up to New York. 538 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: They lost that game. But and actually Doug Peterson requested 539 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: that Bucky they they the Jaguars had the chance to say, hey, 540 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: we want to buy after right after that game. Coach 541 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: Peterson said, you know what, no, we we want to 542 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: We don't want to buy that early. We'd like it 543 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: a little bit later. And it worked out where they 544 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: have two games immediately after London and then the bye week, 545 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: so a little later by and that's coach pep, as 546 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: long as you get the home game the next week. 547 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: I did think the year that they had them fly 548 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: back and then go to New York. Uh, that seemed 549 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: like a lot. I was leapy, Ye, it's all about John. 550 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: What makes you first? You ready to go? Maybe maybe 551 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: we can get you in massage table, get your hydrated, 552 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: to get your recovered, get your fully ready. Make sure 553 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: you're you're ready post post London International game. I'm a 554 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm big h copping that. That's John's thing. I think 555 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: all get your cupped everything, phone roller, make sure make 556 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: sure John takes the phone roller on the flight it 557 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: make sure you roll pre impost if. I er if 558 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: I walked through the aisle of the plane and John 559 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: Oser's laying in the aisle rolling is a leg out. 560 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: That's it. I'm done here. It's very dusty. Yeah, make 561 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: sure we get you right before we go over to 562 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,719 Speaker 1: Wimbley take old Russell, all those guys. Alright. Final thoughts 563 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: here on the Huddle Up Podcast. O t A start 564 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: next week, final week of Phase two. This week they're 565 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: running out on the field, no helmets, super individual, they're 566 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: doing some things. That's fine, and then next week it's 567 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: O t A s so um ten O t A 568 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: practices in a three week span. No pads except me 569 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: and elbow and helmets are allowed. There's no live contact. 570 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: You can do seven on seven, nine on seven, and 571 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven, but no live contact and only six 572 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: hours a day permitted. So here we go, Bucky O 573 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: t AS finally here next week. Well, one thing that 574 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: I certainly hope you guys will do is because I 575 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: think it's very important because I'm not there, I hope 576 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: you're tracking completions and and big plays and all that 577 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: stuff doing those open media session because that stuff really matters. 578 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: I really wanna see Ficient eight and all of that. 579 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: So let's make sure we're staying up today with that. 580 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: Since we've got a little teamwork. There's a competitive there's 581 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: a competitive period eleven on eleven, nine or seven and 582 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: one on ones. That is important, John, So make sure 583 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: you have the uh, the pencil in the pad right there. 584 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: Keep me updated. How are you with dealing with disappointment? 585 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: But because because you're probably gonna be disappointed at I'm 586 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: not big on on the completions during O T A S. 587 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: I am big on the eye test during O T 588 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: A S. If you're us and I assume you'll be 589 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: in for one because you know it's works network. Uh, 590 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: what are you looking to see? How a Trevor from 591 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: by the end of T S. What do you want 592 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: to see that would make you feel good about it? Okay, 593 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: let's gonna sound this because we talked about not tracking completions. 594 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: But John, you've been around high level quarterbacks and I'm 595 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: sure when you spend your time with the Coats there 596 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: were days when you watch Payton Man and the ball 597 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: didn't hit the ground. Um, there's a level of expectation. 598 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: Haven't been around Doug having kind of been raised in 599 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: the same system with coach Homer, which was part of 600 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: the Bill Wash thing. It should be a point somewhere 601 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: in the summertime and training camp where the ball shouldn't 602 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: hit the ground. Like when we're in these periods, the 603 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: ball should look snap, ball goes to check down or whatever, 604 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: but the ball should not hit the ground because then 605 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: you're operating down the level of efficiency that looks like 606 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: a championship caliber team, And so you should get a 607 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: sense that the team feels different because of the execution. 608 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: The execution is at a high level. So by the 609 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: end of the o T A period, I would like 610 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: to see flashes of that where their days where Trevor 611 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: is what twenty of twenty two, when the ball just 612 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: looks like he just sprang it all over and everyone 613 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: is getting touched. You see Za Jones and Marvin Jones 614 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: and Evan Ingram and maybe Travis and ten, all those 615 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: guys feeling like they're part of the offense even though 616 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: it's in practice. Because as those things happen in practice, 617 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: they begin to translate to success in games. And so 618 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: I would put the pressure on Travor to see, like, hey, 619 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: let's operate at a high level. You know, let's let's 620 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: let's see what it looks like. Let's move around drill 621 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: to drill and kind of operate like a first class 622 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: um organization. So it looks it looks like they made 623 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: a turn. There are days where it all to look easy. Yeah, 624 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. And it may not 625 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: be John out there keeping track of completions, but somebody 626 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: out there will be, and there will be reports of 627 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: that throughout the at least the open there's one open 628 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: each week. I tweet, Yeah, okay, I appreciate that. And 629 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: and and if you snack some of the little snazzy 630 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: videos that JP sometimes put out there, like who's who 631 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: and what's what, like if there's like little sightings and 632 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: stuff like that, like I like to get that information 633 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: to I mean, look, I'm following JPN you, but like 634 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I like this stuff personal. It makes me feel 635 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: good when you guys send it to me directly. Did 636 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: they cancel a bunch of fights? I mean, you're still 637 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: an airport in l A last I check. I mean, 638 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: but the open sessions, I don't know when no possessions are, 639 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: Like you know, I like to be able to go 640 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: and check it out. Look, you said to me so 641 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: many days and open sessions. I'll be right there on 642 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: the Jaguars don't have your email address I'm sure you 643 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: were on that chain. Plus, it's a free website. Free website, 644 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: you can check it out jaguars dot com dates are 645 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: check it out. See if I can see if I 646 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: can get get the itinerary and stuff. Sit sit there, 647 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, find me a spot with a little turn 648 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: down service, you know, chocolate on the pillow so I 649 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: can get up and feel good about it. You know. 650 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: Make sure you tell your gardener you're leaving for a 651 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: few days. Make sure you board plow. Look, I'll make 652 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: sure at the farmer John, I will go. I'm gonna 653 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: go when when we fetish the pot, I'm gonna go 654 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 1: and walk over and make sure Pomesan is okay because 655 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 1: Parmesan is messing up Luna. Luna goes on the early 656 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: morning walking, likes to sleep for most of the day. 657 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: When you have a little pit bull that you know, 658 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 1: they don't like to do a whole lot of expending energy. 659 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: That's that's Luna. Luna doesn't want to spend a whole 660 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: lot of energy. So Parmesan gotta riled up and now 661 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: she'll sleep for the rest of the day. I like 662 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: Luna's a dog's name. Got I got a question partmerjan Man. 663 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: I know we're calling out Bucky's neighbor here, but that 664 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: that's uh hey, look it's not the thing like like 665 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why Parmesan like that's not that's not popular. 666 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: It's not really ferocious or anything like like, that's that's 667 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: a tough one. That dog's got some identity issues. Yeah, 668 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: Luna dog Luna, Luna goes and gets it. Dog mentell, 669 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: dog mentell, dog meant tell you gotta have a dog mentell. 670 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: We certainly have that here on the Huddle Up Podcast. 671 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: That will do it for our show today or thanks 672 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: to Joe Fortunato and for John Osier and Bucky Brooks. 673 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm j P. Shadrick will catch you next time. I'm 674 00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: a Huddle Up Podcast five