1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Think is great Thanksgiving really begin key, I could be 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast lost turkey. Oh yes, it's Thanksgiving, 3 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: one of the great times on the calendar, and we 4 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: do have so much to be thankful for here on 5 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL Podcast, Dan Hansas with Heroes, Greg Rosenthal, 6 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. Um, boys, how are you? It's doing wonderful, 7 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: feeling great. Thanksgiving is a national holiday celebrated on various 8 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: states in the United States, Canada, Granada, Granada, St. Lucia, 9 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: and Liberia fun facts. Celebrated on the second Monday of 10 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: October in Canada. So sorry, guys, we missed that fourth 11 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: Thursday of November in the US. Now, Ricky Jump in 12 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: annual preview show quiz Time. What is the And I 13 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: don't want to, you know, get into any culture wars here, 14 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: but I want to hear the traditional belief what was 15 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: the beginning of Thanksgiving? The beginning of Thanksgiving that people 16 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: think is that when the Native Americans and the pilgrims 17 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: came together, they finally shared all their food together, and 18 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: they had a big feast together and friends and happy 19 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: and everything was good and nice. All right, that's pretty good. 20 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: That's like the you know, nineteen forties to nineteen nineties 21 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: school um version of it. But after doing some further research, 22 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like a East coast West coast 23 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: UH nineties hip hop feud going on here between Virginia 24 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: and Massachusetts. Were you guys, Hail, Greg and Ricky and 25 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: the Massachusetts people said, you know, it started in the 26 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. The Pilgrims came over from England, and then 27 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: they gave their food to two Native American tribes in 28 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: exchange for protection from another, uh Native American tribe. The 29 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: people in Virginia say it's a religious holiday, so that 30 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: is the history of it. Well, how is that a 31 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: religion or how did a religion spring up out of that? 32 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean people were undreds. I mean yeah, there's so 33 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: few Jews in Massachusetts. I remember someone once asked me 34 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: if we celebrated Thanksgiving and it was my favorite, I 35 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: would say the number one on my Mark's favorite for sure. 36 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: All the food, and I mean food, the last I 37 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: grew up, loving my family. My wife and kids go 38 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: away to her parents house during this these stints where 39 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: I covered you know, these games with you guys, so 40 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: literally sits out Thanksgiving because he hates food so much. 41 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I will allow you to say whatever you wish. Um. 42 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not like I'm a magnetus. What 43 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: do you eat? Where are you gonna eat tomorrow? I 44 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: don't know, like an apple? I mean, I'm not I'm 45 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: not sitting around creating like mincemeat pies in my house 46 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: or something. No one else is literally no one else's 47 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: and by the way, everyone else seems to be meat pies. 48 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Well whatever, fill in the blank, whatever it is. You know, 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: everyone's debating over like the worst side dish. It's like 50 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: chill out. It's a nice holiday. I have nothing but 51 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: opinions on food. Because he hasn't had an opinion on 52 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: food since he has an opinion. It's just kind of that. 53 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: It's terrible. That's the one that covers it all. That 54 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: covers it all, and I should just say the whole 55 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: Massachusetts vir Gina debate. In sixty three, two weeks before 56 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: he was assassinated, JFK made a statement striking a compromise 57 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: between the of the Rivals Era era era over three 58 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: centuries ago, off of fathers in Virginia and Massachusetts. Ra 59 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: Ra Ra far from home in a lonely wilderness arra arra, 60 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: set aside up Thanksgiving Arara. They will now be celebrated 61 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: to gaba arra arra. Wait a minute, what was the 62 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: era business? What was that? What was that all about? That? 63 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: That's JFK, that's what he sounded like. Um, all right, 64 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: A lot to get to. We got three Thanksgiving games 65 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: to preview. We have the rest of the week, holy god, 66 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: twelve games to dig into. UM and yes, since Thanksgiving, Greg, 67 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: by the way, is the traditional UM start of the 68 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: holiday season, I do have a gift for you, Like 69 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: the first gift of the holiday season comes from me, 70 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: the old juser to Greggy and it's from uh was 71 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: take And from the latest edition of The Power Rankings 72 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: television show, there's a segment called Player Pushback. Originally it 73 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: was William mc ginnis and Derek Carr and they it's 74 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: like a three minute segment where they pushed back on 75 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: the rankings in one way or the other. Willie after 76 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: like two episodes, is like he's gotten somebody's here and 77 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: said I ain't doing this anymore, and they got They got. 78 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: Mariyuchi involves Steve Mariuchi and we love Mooch and Mooch 79 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: comes on in the segment and usually just uh talks 80 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: about one of the teams in the top three and 81 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: why they're good. Uh. But you should know, uh that 82 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals were his subject on the latest Power rankings, 83 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: and he had this to say, all right, you know 84 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 1: they should be on the top of the list because 85 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: your record says you know who you are, right, But 86 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you know what. The most important position in football obviously 87 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: is the quarterback, but I think the second most important 88 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: position is your backup quarterback, and your third most important 89 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: position is your third string quarterback. He even said it 90 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: with the little the little Chaz cast Relee pizzazz there. 91 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: You think he was doing an impression. And the fourth 92 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: most important person in your group as your quarterback coach, 93 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: and your fifth most important player on your roster is 94 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: your first thing quarterbacks mother. I mean, he's sneaky lifting 95 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: up cult McCoy as he as he should be doing. 96 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: So appreciate it, Culte McCoy. So that was for you, Greg, 97 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed. I did. I did, all right. 98 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: Let's hope our new listeners who are like, what are 99 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: they talking about? Um? Just go back listen to all 100 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: our episodes and find our Charlie Casserly references from season six. 101 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: You're now probably four through eight, episode four hundred and thirteen. 102 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: You dug into it, um with with a distinct, you know, 103 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: exploratory vibe. All right, let's start with the Thanksgiving games 104 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: and um, just a little program note, we will be 105 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: uh delivering a mini pod it goes. We'll go up 106 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: late Thursday, Thanksgiving night, um recapping all three of the 107 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: games are about to preview. So let's get into the 108 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: first one. We don't need to dwell on it because 109 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: it's almost become overdone. Now how terrible these teams are 110 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: and how bad this game is. And I've already said 111 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: my piece that the line shouldn't be on Thanksgiving, but 112 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: they are, and that's just the way it is. So 113 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: you get the three and seven Browns on a five 114 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: game losing streak, with the coach halfway out the door, 115 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: going to Ford Field to face the O nine and 116 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: one Lions. Uh so the Lions coming off a narrow 117 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: loss to the Browns, they should have Jared goff back. 118 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Tim Boyle was wretched uh playing or you know, the 119 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: blowhard nation was up in arms. I know that Mark 120 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: because Boil was brutal and Jared Goff should be back 121 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: in the lineup. Unfortunately, the one thing that would have 122 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: maybe made this game somewhat intriguing as a neutral fan 123 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: would be Justin Fields in this spot. But he ain't playing. 124 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: He's got bad ribs. So Andy Dalton is the starter. 125 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: So digging on this on Turkey Day, I mean, the 126 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Bears have faced uh and Matt Naggy like the darkest 127 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of the darkest timelines he could possibly be in. There 128 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: was literally a headline from the Associated Press Naggy denies 129 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: report of his own firing. It's like, oh, we have that. 130 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Let's listen to poor Matagi who had to h speak 131 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: to that because of the Chicago press, Like the rest 132 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: of the people in the Midwest right now are out 133 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: for blood. You've been performed the year last game as person. 134 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: That is not accurate. You know, I have not um 135 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: You know, I have great communication with ownership with George 136 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: and Ted and Ryan, but I have not had any discussions. 137 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: It makes me think, um, Greg because it usually this 138 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: happens to one coach every year, and you really and 139 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: I feel like Adam Gates was kind of the guy 140 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: last year. But the guy think of the most is 141 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: Chuck Pogano And it was one of Chris Wessling's favorite quotes. 142 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: When I knew he was finished in Indie and the 143 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: same situation was happening before the acts fell on him, 144 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: he had a very kind of zen way of looking 145 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: at it. He refused to get kind of caught up 146 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: in the misery of it all. And he said to 147 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: the media, they can fire you, but they can't eat you, 148 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: and they can't eat that Naggie, but they will fire him, 149 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: and the rest of the city wants about as well. 150 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: They're kind of eating him though, Just to put this 151 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: into context. Number One, that report was from some non 152 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: sports reporter on Patch dot com. Hey, how about like 153 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: the rest of us, don't give the Patch dot com guy. Well, 154 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm a former Patch alone understand sports reporter, so it's weird. 155 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: Number Two, Matt Naggy was at a football game, his 156 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: son's football game this week, and some kids there started 157 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: a chance to fire Naggie. That was on money, like 158 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: fire Naggi, and the the organization or the whoever runs 159 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: the game's up, you know, sent out an apology without 160 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: mentioning Naggie his name because they were trying to make 161 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: it not into a bigger story. Then it came out 162 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: later Tuesday. Naggie actually did meet with ownership on Tuesday. 163 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: This was after this report, and after the meeting with ownership, 164 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: he canceled meetings for the rest of the day. So 165 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: that is just leading me to the point that this 166 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: is a mercy firing. It's time to go um. Matt. 167 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: Patricia had faced these reports last year too, before Thanksgiving, 168 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: and they proved to be right. I think the proper 169 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: way for him to go out um is to lose 170 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: and to give Dan Campbell and all of us a 171 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: nice moment on the on Thanksgiving. Lose this game, and 172 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: that's why I'm locking up the Windlass Lions. Oh I 173 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: like that a lot. By the way, you're not You're 174 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: not the only person or a group of people locking 175 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: up the early Thursday game hit it. Ricky. Oh my gosh, 176 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: hello gentlemen, Nicky here again. I was out of commission 177 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: for the last two weeks. Emboided my brothers blew it 178 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: while I was gone. The Columbus Westlings are now oh 179 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: and three on the year, which means the Cincy Westlings 180 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: are a salad six and two. Speaking of the Cincy Westlings. 181 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: We've seen Andy Dalton on national TV enough to know 182 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: he stinks the Lions. Keep fighting, get a legendary eight 183 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: to five win on Thanksgiving over Dough Bears. Lock it up, 184 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: Good day, Happy Thanksgiving to Nick and the entire Westling family. 185 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: You guys are the best. Did this just happen? Do 186 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: we have to t two groups locking up the windless 187 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: Lions in late November? I unn, I mean the whole 188 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: point of locking that up is you know, that was 189 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: like a special thing to lock up a do and 190 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: nine d Even now now two of us are that's 191 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: too bad. But I believe in this DeAndre Swift led 192 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Lions offense. Let's get it done. I mean, the Bears 193 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: have been a disaster. They've lost five straight. Um, there's 194 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: utter chaos unfolding. Yet it would be an even bigger 195 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: disappointment with Andy Dalton to go into the Troit and 196 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: lose this game. I know that Detroit has been frisky 197 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: in the sense of keeping it close, and you know, 198 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: four games against opponents where you can look at the 199 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: opponent and say, if you knew before the season, you 200 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: think the lines will be better than they were. But 201 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: I look at the Bears and say you still have 202 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, you still have Roquan Smith, who was insane 203 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: last week against Baltimore. I mean, if he had a 204 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: career high seventeen tackles all over the place, and Andy 205 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: Dalton was not a disaster in that game. I it 206 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: sounds like you're not gonna Allen Robinson, Darnell Mooney is 207 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: making plays. But this is the better team. If you 208 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: can't beat if you cannot beat the Tyler Huntley, read 209 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: Lead Ravens, and that team is in all those players. 210 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: They stink Chicago. I mean, yeah, I'm not. I think 211 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: it's good to both sides of this. I I get you, Mark, 212 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: and there are players that have been favorite. Yeah, they're 213 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: certainly heavily the Bears in this game. They SAPs on defense. 214 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: It's a short turnaround. I kind of think Dalton gives 215 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: them maybe a slightly better chance. Maybe that's heretical to say, um, 216 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: but I'm in too deep now. They just wanted to 217 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: faith in Jared Goff, who they also, by the way, 218 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: had net seventy seven yards passing in that Steelers game too. 219 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: It wasn't just Tim Boyle. When's the last time a 220 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: team had seventy seven yards passing two games in a row. 221 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: I mean this, this might shock you, but I don't 222 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: really have that much faith in the Lions. I'm just 223 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: having some fun here. The middle game, the bank is 224 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: giving up on the locks. That's what's happened. Well. The 225 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Raiders five and five, riding a three game 226 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: losing streak out of there by good job Boys travel 227 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: to Jaral World to face the Cowboys, who have lost 228 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: two of three, including that disappointing nineteen to nine loss 229 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: to the Chiefs at Arrow Head. Uh. This game sets 230 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: up extremely well, uh for the Cowboys, given how poorly 231 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Vegas is playing and has played for the better part 232 00:13:54,400 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: of a month. However, Amari Cooper is not playing because 233 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: he got COVID and did not get vaccinated, and Jerry 234 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: Jones gave him some public grief for that UH this week, 235 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: saying it's a team sport and that was not a 236 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: team decision. Uh. And Amari Cooper as of this taping, 237 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: UH is still working his way back from a concussion 238 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: on a short week, so the Dallas offense could be shorthanded. Uh, Greg, 239 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: do you have concerns about dak post cash strain at 240 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: all to two of his worst three games of the season. Certainly, 241 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: I think Tyrone Smith being out was a huge part 242 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: of that, but he also just missed throws and he 243 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: he was like the opposite of poised and understanding what 244 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: the defense was sending him in two of those games, 245 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: which was surprising. Um. You know you mentioned Seedee Lamb 246 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: might not play. He's trending towards playing, and so is 247 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: Tyrone Smith. And that makes me think that they can 248 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: cover this seven points spread here because the Raiders just 249 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: aren't pulling off any big plays over the last three weeks. Yeah. 250 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean the splits for Dak Prescott with and without 251 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: Tyrone Smith, the lineup or noticed are are notable, um, 252 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: and gets huge to have them back. Um. You know 253 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: they were eating up by the past Rush a week ago. 254 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: But I when I watched the Raiders, you know, I 255 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: was gonna block up the Bengals, um or the the 256 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: Steelers over the Bengals. And when I watched what Cincinnati 257 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: did to Las Vegas, I changed my mind entirely because 258 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: that game was close at the end. Um, I just 259 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: look at the Raiders team that I think beyond the 260 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: off the field, Uh, you know, tragedy of it all. 261 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: Losing Henry Ruggs in the offense has really allowed defenses 262 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: to basically put everything on Darren Waller. And there was 263 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: a terrible car pick against the Bengals late in the game. 264 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: I think it was twenty two to thirteen where he 265 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: floated it to Waller and it was just taken away. 266 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: And it's like they just don't have a lot of 267 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: other weapons on that team. They're depleted. Their run game 268 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: isn't very good. They've got three offensive lineman who ranked 269 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: in the bottom ten percent of performance by PFF right now. 270 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: I think they're missing Richie Incognito. They just, you know, 271 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: it's like it isn't the same as the other Raiders 272 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: collapses necessarily, but they're falling apart. And when you get 273 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: Derek Carr mistakes um tacked onto the depleted roster, I 274 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: don't think they can survive. And this is you know, 275 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't I can't believe we're back in a Cowboys 276 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: bounce back spot. But this is a great bounce back 277 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: spot for Dallas. You know, I think this is a 278 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: very important final six, seven game stretch here for Derek Carr. 279 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Also because I think we all saw how well he 280 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: played Um in the first two months of the season, 281 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: but he he's kind of gonna find himself back in 282 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: the same place if this season spirals and goes completely south. Um, 283 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: because I think you're seeing with Ryan Tannehill and Nashville 284 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: as well, where he's a quarterback. He was a very 285 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: good quarterback, but he's lost pieces around him. And then 286 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, he threw four interceptions last week, and you wonder, oh, 287 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: is he a type of guy that gets exposed a 288 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: little bit when he doesn't have the right supporting cast 289 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: around him. Car is gonna have to answer that. I think, Um, 290 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: if this offense doesn't get going again, if he truly 291 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: is you know, a top twelve, uh, you know, back 292 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: into the top ten quarterback quarterback, then he will get 293 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: this offense going again. If he doesn't, I think it's 294 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: very telling at the stage of his career. I mean, 295 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: he's he's not transcendent. I don't think he's been the 296 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: biggest problem over the last few weeks. He's thrown some 297 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: bad plays once they were down a couple of scores late. 298 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: Other than that, he's kind of looked similar. I just 299 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: think it's problem. It's some regression to the mean from 300 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: his play. We've seen him enough that probably wasn't going 301 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: to keep it that level. And I think it's a 302 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: lot of regression from the offense just generally. I don't 303 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: think you can put it all on rugs. We've seen 304 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: other teams lose pieces, they don't collapse like this. I 305 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: guess my point would be every quarterback is a function 306 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: of the players around him. Tom Brady Um was getting 307 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: his grave was being danced on at the end of 308 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: ten because the players around him were so bad. Like 309 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: no one thought he was a top ten quarterback. We 310 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: were like joking on this podcast of what a joke 311 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: he was essentially Um And now he's back to being 312 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: like the number one quarterback in the league because he's 313 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: got a great surrounding situation. That's all. Oh, or is 314 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: this say Greg nothing really matters response? In general? I'm saying, 315 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: maybe there's three or four quarterbacks who could survive, you know, 316 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of regression to the mean. I 317 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: think he's having a very good season and actually hasn't 318 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: played that bad over the last couple of weeks. His 319 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: problem is so then put it this way, because you 320 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: were leading the charge about how great Derek Carr was 321 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: earlier this season above anyone else really, uh in the 322 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: national media, I kinda can state I think that is 323 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: he just the same Derek Car Then ultimately this isn't 324 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: a better version of the players. He's the same guy 325 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: has always been and now that his players are gone, 326 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: he's gone. Is like a real functional, high level quarterback. 327 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: I think he can't overcome what's around him now and 328 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: that him playing at that level was was unsustainable for 329 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: just anyone but for another contract with if he like 330 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: I get that, you can say that's every quarterback, But 331 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: I can't equate Derek Carr with Tom Brady. I hear you. 332 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just saying, like, who hasn't fallen victim 333 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: to that this year to some degree, like Josh Allen 334 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: is playing much worse, like I, I just haven't looked 335 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: He's not gonna overcome his surroundings. He did for five 336 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: or six or seven weeks, and that that probably was 337 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: not the real Derek Carr. That's a fair point. The 338 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: three games out of the bye for the Raiders at 339 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Giants sixteen points, home against Kansas City fourteen points home 340 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: against Cincinnati thirteen points. So uh, you know, they gotta 341 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: show up against Alice and Michael Parsons, who's playing at 342 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: a level that's maybe even transcending defensive player there. He 343 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: could be in the defense defensive Rookie of the Year, 344 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: I should say it could be entering into defensive Player 345 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: of the Year territory, especially with a big performance in 346 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: an Island game on Thanksgiving, which takes us to the 347 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: final game on Thursday. After this, the Buffalo Bills panic 348 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: in the streets of Orchard Park after at fifteen thumping 349 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: at the hands of the Colts on Sunday. Now they 350 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: head to the Superdome UH to face a Saints team 351 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: that has not won UH since Halloween and Mark this 352 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: is This is kind of a tough one because, you know, 353 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: it makes sense that the Bills if you think the 354 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: Bills are a team that is going through things, but 355 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: ultimately it is very talented and well coached and understands 356 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: the stakes of a game like this. They should go 357 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: to New Orleans and take care of business. But there's 358 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: been so much evidence over the past month or so 359 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: that there's something really wrong here. Where do you come 360 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: down on this one? Well, I would say this that 361 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the Saints have been one of the feistiest, more enjoyably watchable, 362 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: tough nosed teams around, but they are struggling right now. 363 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: I like this spot for Buffalo just based on health alone. 364 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got it's Alvin Kamara's probably not happening, 365 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: mark Ingram's not practicing. Ryan Ramscheck is not around right now. 366 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: Toron Armstead will see on him, but even his backup 367 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: land and Young has has not missed practiced this week. 368 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: So they are the season he broke his foot. They're 369 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: about as banged up as possible. And we I think 370 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: last the last couple of weeks. What we see with 371 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: the Saints is they're pushing as hard as they can 372 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: to stay in these games. But two weeks ago, um 373 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: killer mistakes down the stretch. It happened this past week 374 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: the floor starts to fall out. Um. Yeah, Buffalo is 375 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: back and forth, but but I think they're clearly the 376 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: better team and it would be kind of stunning to 377 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: see them fall in this situation. To Trevor Simeon that said, 378 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: the only thing that I kind of feel, and this 379 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: is has nothing to do with next gen stats or 380 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: anything else. I just see visions of like a totally celebratory, 381 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: um super Dome on fire, lathered up on Thanksgiving night, 382 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: and maybe sometimes things like that can happen where the 383 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: Bills get lost to the moment a little bit. But 384 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: that's not a logic base, that's just sort of a dream, right. 385 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: I was ready to pick the Saints to win this 386 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: game because of that, because I think I think they've 387 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: been so mentally tough, and I think their defense has 388 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: a chance to have a great game against Buffalo, who 389 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: has been all over the place. The Bills have the 390 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: highest variants of any team in the history of football outsiders, 391 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: so just they're putting a number on it. But basically 392 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: they are literally the most inconsistent team they've ever recorded. 393 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: That they're good, games are insanely good, and they're bad. 394 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: Games are insanely bad, which which passes the eye tests. 395 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: And the Saints could could win a game like that 396 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: if they had their guys, But they went over the 397 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: cliff last week in terms of injuries. Like it was 398 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: cute too, like Trevor Simeon and Sean Payton's cooking up 399 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: plays and like, yeah, that all makes sense when you 400 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: have to all pro tackles and Alvin Kamara with the 401 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: worst collection of skill position talent on the outside of 402 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: any team in the NFL. Now you just have the 403 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: least talented offense in the NFL period. Maybe armsteads back, 404 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound like Camara's ingram might be out 405 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: that Marcus Davenport has been their best defensive line it 406 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: might be out too on. Even so, even if you 407 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: get like a great defensive effort, this is this is it, 408 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: I would I would rank them thirty two of thirty 409 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: two teams in terms of offensive talent, Like where that's 410 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: a lot to overcome. Yeah, without those three times, where 411 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: would you have ranked up at the start of the year, 412 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: Because I'd say start of the year they were still 413 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: in the twins. Yeah, I would say they were in 414 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: the twenties. But you when you have to all tackles 415 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: and a really good center and Alvin Kamara and a 416 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: great coach, it's like they were finding ways to get 417 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: it done. And now I just I don't think anyone 418 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: could get to coach up for seventeen straight games. At 419 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: some point, it's, you know, talent's got to take over. 420 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: If the Saints, um, you know, can make it happen, 421 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: because notoriously they never seemed to have a lot of 422 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: salary cap space. Maybe that's changing. I haven't checked in 423 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: on there. I haven't checked there, like sixty overgoing into 424 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: next yeah me, because I was gonna say, they make 425 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: so much sense as a team that would have a 426 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: really hyper aggressive offseason beefing up that offense, but perhaps 427 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: financially that is not an option. But then they will 428 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: use the draft obviously um to add pieces because yeah, 429 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: with Kamara out there, ordinary if you take Ingram out, 430 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: who's got a bad knee and he's he didn't practice 431 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: on Tuesday after practicing Monday, which is not a great sign. Uh, 432 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: then you really get into a dark place. So I 433 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: think there's this situation here where I think Buffalo can 434 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: not necessarily overcome their offensive issues but still win like 435 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: a seventeen to ten type game. But I think uh 436 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: Bills fans might be sweating this one out. And if 437 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: you look at their schedule, man, you know, they had 438 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: a great win way back in Week five on October 439 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: t they beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead thirty and that 440 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: was the fourth straight win. They had beaten the Texans 441 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: forties before that, blown out Washington Miami before that, and 442 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: they were, you know, pretty much seen as the best 443 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: team in the a f C. Since then, they lose 444 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: the Tennessee By by a field goal thirty one, they 445 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: hit their by, they beat Miami, and they beat the 446 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: Jets Miami when they were at their lowest, and they've 447 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: lost to Jacksonville in Indianapolis. Uh So there's just not 448 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: been a lot of signature wins for this team in 449 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: quite a long time. So the concern, if you're his 450 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: Bills fan, is real. But I'm also I'm not ready 451 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: to jump off ship here. I think this is a 452 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: team that it's all there, they just need to put 453 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: it together. I think that in this game, even a 454 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: week go, you know, they're being called the best team 455 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: in the a f C. And well that's by default 456 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: though that's because the a f C is so weird, 457 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: right right, But default doesn't exist at this point in 458 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: my mind. For me, I like, I'll I'm find crowning 459 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: no one with that title this moment. But they were 460 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: like embarrassed by the Cults. They knew what the cults 461 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: were gonna do with the Cults just went and did 462 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: it to them. Um, yeah, we're you know. Their defense 463 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: was was a non factor it was a negative factor. 464 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: I just to me, I totally see what Greg is 465 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: saying about the variance. When they're lad, they look completely 466 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: unprepared for prime time on any level. Well, they're very 467 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: lightweight team just in general. They are light fast defense. 468 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: And you do look at the a f C and 469 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: you look at the other teams in it Tennessee, New England, Baltimore, 470 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: Cleveland if they got there, these are power running teams, 471 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: and I think that could be a problem for for 472 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: the Bills and some matchups Colts. All right, let's start 473 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: the draft. Let's get into it. Mark, you have the 474 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: first overall pick. Well, I'm going to go with the 475 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: game that just this is what I did last week 476 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: and it it delivered one of my favorite um weeks 477 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: of the season. I'm just gonna go after simply what 478 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: I enjoy the most, and it's Minnesota at San Francisco. 479 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: I think it is arguably the game of the week 480 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: to me. I mean this, by the way, this week 481 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: is special Week twelve. It is the first time in 482 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: NFL history were nine games feature one five plus team 483 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: versus another five hundred plus team in Week twelve or 484 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: beyond that, we've waited for a week like this, so 485 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: let's see if it delivers or if it's history in 486 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: the making. Have history in the making, yes, but I 487 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: think with the Vikings, you know at this point having 488 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: to go to San Francisco, that would scare me in 489 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: the past. What we are seeing right now is a 490 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: Vikings team playing at the height of their powers. Watching 491 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: that Green Bay Minnesota game was a total delight. And 492 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, I don't know what else we can say 493 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: about what he's showing on tape. Who he is. He 494 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: is one of the more fascinating athletes around today, and 495 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: that they've used the past two games to focus on 496 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,719 Speaker 1: him to such a degree it changes who they are. 497 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: It's changed Kirk Cousins, Greg, this is notable to you 498 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: that Mike Zimmer. They asked, what is going on with 499 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. Are you happy with him being as aggressive 500 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: as he is? And he said yes. He said, also, 501 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: our relationship has changed. Greg has been tracking the Cousins 502 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: Zimmer relationship all season. It has obviously been fraught. They 503 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: seem at times to be hugging slash punching each other 504 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: at the same time. But Zimmer, I think is on 505 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: board with what's happening, and they they can play this way, 506 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: they can beat anyone in the league, and I'm willing 507 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: to say they can probably lose to a lot of 508 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: teams too, if you get the old version of the vikings. 509 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: But what I also find appealing is that you are 510 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: getting the Niners right now at the height of their power, 511 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: and their season is still hanging in the balance, around 512 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: the fringe of the NFC playoff race, but very much 513 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: alive if they took this game or next. The way 514 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: they've been running the ball um eating up forty minutes 515 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: of time of possession a week, They've been utterly dominant. 516 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the Jaguars, it was over the ram. 517 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: And you've got Deebo Samuel, who's gonna want to go 518 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: do what Davonte Adams did to Xavier Woods a week ago. 519 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: But Deebo Samuel so versatile that he led the team 520 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: in rushing a week ago, he led them in receiving 521 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. I think this, to me is the 522 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: greatest game out through this week. I'm all board, I'm 523 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 1: all about it. It makes sense to me you had 524 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: to take this now because it's the team of zeus 525 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: til versus a team of Sestio. I think, yeah, this 526 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: wasn't making it back around, kind of kind of like 527 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: your your second teams that that you both enjoyed watching 528 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: an impossible game to pick. I love it. I don't 529 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: necessarily think it's a I see San Francisco's favorite, which 530 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: surprised me just because I don't know. I know, but 531 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: like they haven't been good at home. I know they 532 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: were last week, and I just feel like Minnesota has 533 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: shown more this season than the Niners. But I guess 534 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: you just gotta put a lot into what's happened the 535 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. It's a great matchup, and I 536 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: do I do want to see quietly Jimmy g has 537 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: put together is his longest run of solid play. I 538 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: know he had a terrible miss on that twenty play 539 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: drive it should have been a touchdown, but in general, 540 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: he's been better and he's staying on the field. Um. 541 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: I love how they're using Deebo Samuel Um. That is 542 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: excellent usage of him. But yeah, I think the Vikings 543 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: are just a team that you know, no matter what 544 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: happens here, this isn't gonna be a blowout. They've now 545 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: shown that this is who they are. They are going 546 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: to score points. They're going to have stretches where perhaps 547 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: the offense goes cold and the defense UH struggles that 548 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: lets teams back in games. And I think that's what 549 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: makes them so fun, that they always are involved in 550 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: UH high scoring affairs and they always give the other 551 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: team a chance to win it. So I think this 552 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: is not a game that I would lock as much 553 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: as I like the Vikings, because they just haven't earned 554 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: the trust of the lock. But at the same time, 555 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: I do like their chances because I still think they 556 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: are as good as anybody in the NFC UM right now. 557 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: I have them number ten in the power rankings at 558 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: five and five, which again speaks to what's going on 559 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: in the league right now more than anything else. That 560 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: there's the parody is so strong the season, but that 561 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: is my feeling. I'm all in on the Bikes. I 562 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: like him, but I don't trust them. Well, I don't 563 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: trust them this week too, because that's you know, an 564 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: emotional division win, big game. You go on the road 565 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: and you're gonna be missing two starters I assume on 566 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: the defensive line, one Dalvin Tomlinson, who's probably their best 567 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: run stopper is out. And then Everson Griffin who was 568 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: involved in a incident which required police, which is still 569 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: unfolding as we're taping this, but he posted some messages 570 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: on social media that we're disturbing and he was afraid 571 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: that people were and shoot him. So he's had mental 572 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: health scares before and this seems very serious and you 573 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: obviously just hope he's okay. But just like in terms 574 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: of the matchup, those two guys being gone versus a 575 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: San Francisco offensive line that's just killing it. Um p 576 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: F noted, like Trent william says, the highest grade of 577 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: any run blocker in history of them grading right now 578 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: he is, I mean an epic season. They also are 579 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: number one in e p A expected points um you know, 580 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:17,239 Speaker 1: per play. Since the moment that Kyle Shanahan was on 581 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: the fence about starting Jimmy Garoppolo, the moment where I 582 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: think he would have gone to Trey Lance actually was 583 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: after that Colts game, but Tree Lance wasn't healthy enough 584 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: to play that week. Remember, he was like they asked him, 585 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: and he was like, I would guess. So when they 586 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: when he asked if Jimmy g would start but tree 587 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: Lance wasn't ready that week, and since then their number 588 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: one in E p A with these long, slow drives 589 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: that gets Marco and and it is fun to watch. 590 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: It is funny though, to think of this matchup as like, 591 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's Kyle versus the one that got away. 592 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: You know, he's watching this Kirk Cousins having his best 593 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: season ever tape and being like, man, if we had 594 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: that guy, we'd win the super Bowl. He was so 595 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: fascinated with Husins for so long and he never got 596 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Cousins would do this in spurts, but right 597 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: now you're getting like an unbridled bad boy version of 598 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousin that, uh, he's winning me over. I used 599 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: to the Packers had like held onto either of those 600 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: interceptions that he almost threw, and I thought he played 601 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: a really good game overall. But then just like the 602 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: story is different coming out of that. And that was 603 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: why Zimmer was asked about it, because Kirk Cousins said 604 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: after the game, maybe I shouldn't have been so aggressive, 605 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: and and Zimmer's whole thing was and now you're getting 606 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: the sense maybe it's more about Kirk than the offense. 607 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: Zimmer said, like We've been telling him to be aggressive 608 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: all season, like we want him to keep taking those 609 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: shots and throw it to Jefferson will be better off 610 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: that way. That sports. I know what you're saying. I 611 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: saw other people saying, Oh, it wasn't a great game 612 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: by Cousins. That was a good game. The way it works, 613 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: it's the way it works. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes 614 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: you don't. Um they're attacking downfield and that's made the 615 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: offense so much better. All right, Greg, You're up next. 616 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: I am, and I'm gonna take the the Homer pick. 617 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm taking Titans. I'm taking Patriots. I'm taking Vrabel versus 618 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: the man who taught him how to set an edge, 619 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: Bill Belonship. H Uh. The Titans are so weird. It's 620 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: someone noted in like their last eight games, the team 621 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: that had left fewer yards you know, one six of 622 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: those eight. They just have these bizarre games like they 623 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: did a week ago, and a lot of times they 624 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: were coming out on top of these games where they 625 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: would look like they were outplayed and then they'd win 626 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: the game. I just think they're in a similar situation 627 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: right now. If A. J. Brown is out as we're 628 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: taping this we don't know. But not only do you 629 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: lose a j Brown, Marcus Johnson, who had stepped up 630 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: nicely in Julio jones absence, is out for the season. Um. 631 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: This team is so injured that they're doing walkthroughs on Wednesdays, 632 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: which is you know, some teams do that, but it's unconventional. 633 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: But in Brabel doesn't want to do that. He just 634 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: is saying, we're so injured right now, we really can't 635 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 1: hold like a full practice. And I think what is 636 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: helping to um come out now that Henry is not 637 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: there is that their past protection stinks. It's one thing 638 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: for Tannehill to try to carry this team without the players, 639 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: but this is one of the worst offensive lines in 640 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: the entire league in terms of protection, and that's like 641 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: a big change from previous years. And I think this 642 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: is a Patriots team on defense with actual pass rushers 643 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: that can take advantage of bad offensive lines more more 644 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: than any Patriots team I've seen a while. This is 645 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: a terrible spot for the Titans. I mean, it is 646 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: really bad. They you know, they're still in good shape 647 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: and that division to keep an eye on the cults 648 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: here surging Um. The fact that they are missing these players, 649 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: the fact that they have a bit of an identity 650 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: crisis post Derrick Henry, the fact that the Patriots get 651 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: after you as a quarterback in Tannehill just came off 652 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: that game where he's throwing the ball to the other 653 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 1: team repeatedly when they had chances to get back in 654 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: that game. I just think this is a bad, bad 655 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: timing for the Titans. I'm locking up the Patriots here. 656 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: I think this is uh, this is a game that 657 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: they are going to continue to roll. They will roll 658 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: into Orchard Park at eight and four and in first place, 659 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: because I think they're catching the Titans at the exact 660 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: right time. And the Titans, if they are fortunate enough 661 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs, which they taught probably will if 662 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: they're healthy and they see New England again, maybe even 663 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: up in Foxboro, I might feel differently about the game, 664 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: but right now I think this is a really well 665 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: set up situation for Belichick and friends. Yeah. I mean 666 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: one of the biggest non stories of the season was 667 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson, who was let go by the team. And 668 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: I hear you that the Saints on paper right now 669 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: look like the worst offense, But the Titans are getting 670 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: close with the bodies they're putting out there, and I like, 671 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: who do you trust the most in this contest? I'm 672 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: looking at the Patriots defense that week to week is 673 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: throttling people left and right, and on offense, just keep 674 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,359 Speaker 1: running the ball and get you know, lower mistakes from 675 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: Matt from Matt Jones than what the Titans offer. And 676 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: we're good here. I mean this this really there's no 677 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: excuse for New England not to win this thing. Great. 678 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: I don't totally dismiss the Titans in this game because 679 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: their defense and Rabel's coaching has earned such a great 680 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I'm surprised the Patriots are almost 681 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: a touchdown favored in this game. It's keeps going up. 682 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: It's up to six and a half, which I you know, 683 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: I I think I think it would be, but now 684 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't earlier. And it's just people. People see these 685 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: injuries and they're and they're worried about. And yet I 686 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: don't feel entirely comfortable because I do think the Titans 687 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: have something you can't measure. They're also the team I 688 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: think that helped rebuild this entire Patriots organization when they 689 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: beat up on the Patriots in that game, not that 690 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: Tom Brady was necessarily coming back, but in that playoff 691 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: game a year and a half ago, I think Bill 692 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: Belichick left and hated the fact that the Titans were 693 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 1: like the bigger, stronger, more physical team, better looking team 694 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: coming off a bus. Not that Tom Brady would be 695 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: there now. But you look at the way the Patriots 696 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 1: are built now, big dudes. I think they're so different 697 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: with Trent Brown in the lineup to they're just a 698 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: mawelling group upfront, but on both sides, it's like they're 699 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: they're trying to be like the Titans, and I think 700 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: right now they're a little better version of what One 701 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: little thing on Trent Brown and is it just me? Um, 702 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: he looks like an adult baby to me, Like he 703 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: looks like he has a baby's head on an adult body. 704 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: I'll leave the comment right there, but I whenever he 705 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: is unhelmeted, is my takeaway on his appearance. I see 706 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: where you're going quote. Can we get that quote to 707 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: Trent Brown? Well, it's, by the way, that's not to 708 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: suggest that he's not a good looking man. It's just 709 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,479 Speaker 1: that he he has sort of a baby is face. 710 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: That's not I mean, there's a difference between saying somebody 711 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: has a baby face, like a Zach Wilson type and 712 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 1: saying he actually looks like he has a baby's head. Well, 713 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: i can't win on this show today, but I'm not 714 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: trying to kill the guy just said. It is an 715 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: observation that I've made, and you know, it is not 716 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: an attack on anyone. I wouldn't argue. And yet I 717 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: also would never say that if I knew Trent Brown 718 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: could possibly hear it. He is six eight, he is 719 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five pounds, and yet he is 720 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: faster than all of us. That that is quite a combination. 721 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: It's stunning to me, though, that I see a baby's 722 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 1: head on top of a six ft eight body. So, 723 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, every day, just that the streets are rumbling 724 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 1: with my you know, insanely, which powers about whichever team 725 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: I lock, other one wins. And I feel like I should, 726 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, use this time to lock the Titans. But 727 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: I am actually so afraid of this game that I'm 728 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 1: I'm actually afraid, okay, but it's working every week when 729 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: you lock against True and but I just feel so 730 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: bad for Justin and you know, but Dan, I love you. 731 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: You you picked the Patriots, So I just feel like 732 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: it's fair if I locked the Titans. You know that 733 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: that always that leads to good things for the person 734 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ledger. Another lockoff between 735 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: Ricky and I. All right, let's hit pause here, we'll 736 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 1: be right back. All right, let's move on. I will 737 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: grab a eight game the Rams at the Packers. Yeah, 738 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: I want to see this all, you know, after the 739 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: Rams hit the bye week, and the whole thing about 740 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 1: the Rams is they can't even tackle anybody. They're so soft. 741 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: There's a week and I wonder if Sean McVeigh is 742 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: a great head coach. Uh didn't clip off a few 743 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: of those conversations that have been had in the mainstream 744 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: media about how the Rams aren't a real rugged team, 745 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: They're not a real football team. They're not gonna be 746 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: able to handle it uh in the crucible of the 747 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: playoffs and all that stuff. I mean, I feel like 748 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: that's pretty good motivation. UH. And now you get a 749 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: test right off the bat. You go to lambeau Field 750 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: to face the Packers. UM, and I just think, this is, 751 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: this is a great game, and this is and I know, 752 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: right now, uh, you look at the NFC and the 753 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: Cardinals are deservedly so seen as the best team in 754 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,839 Speaker 1: that conference. But I wonder if at top gear, if 755 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: the two best teams still ultimately are the Rams and Packers, 756 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: and whether it will play out that way in January. 757 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: And I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility 758 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: that that these teams have that ceiling to be playing 759 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: in the NFC title game. So I kind of see 760 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: that as potential preview of that. I think this is 761 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: another coin flip game. It's gonna be a lot of 762 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: fun to see it. And if you're a Rams fan, 763 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: you want to see Matthew Stafford rise to the challenge 764 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: here after a couple of down weeks and go toe 765 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,399 Speaker 1: to toe with Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers with a bad toe, 766 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,320 Speaker 1: by the way, so you got two healthy toes against 767 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: one healthy toe advantage Los Angeles. I just I'd also 768 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: think toe or not. Aaron Rodgers last week looked insane. 769 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: I thought one of the best games I've seen him 770 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,439 Speaker 1: playing a long time. I mean some of the throws 771 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: he was making, the one across his body to Josiah 772 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: Degra for his first touchdown ever was wild. I mean 773 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 1: just that he was all over the place. But if 774 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 1: you're Matthew Stafford, if you're Cooper Cup, if you're Sean McVeigh, 775 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: you have to also like what the Vikings did to 776 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: that defense, You've got to think there's opportunities there. I thought, 777 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, who is you know? I thought after that 778 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl loss, we were at the combine, Sean McVeigh 779 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: was up on the Good Morning Football Risers doing an 780 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: interview with Peter Schraeger and friends, and like, to me, 781 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: it just seemed like it's still haunted him. There was 782 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: something gone in his swagger, and you know he's gotten 783 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: it back here and there. But after that loss to 784 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: the Niners and going to to the bye week, his comments, 785 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: where I thought, is telling and desperate and humbled as 786 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: i've heard a coach at least from him at all. 787 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that they probably are coming out, 788 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: to your point, Dan, hyper determined to reverse the narrative 789 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: that they are that they're a soft team inside this 790 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: NFC playoff race. I don't buy that. I don't think 791 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: any of us truly do. We're talking about guys like 792 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, but they were pushed around. Legitimately, this is 793 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: not this kind of The Packers aren't going to do 794 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,879 Speaker 1: it to you the same way as those teams might have. 795 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: But this is a dangerous scenario because if they suddenly 796 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: dropped this game the Rams, a lot of questions are raised. 797 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 1: I think the Packers like have something about them that 798 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: you can't quite measure this season, you know, whether you 799 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: wanta called mojo or camaraderie, I don't know what it is. 800 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: Like They've won in such tough situations, and I think 801 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: that does build up over the course of the season. 802 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if the Rams have had that. Like 803 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,320 Speaker 1: the Rams seem worse than their numbers, the Packers seemed 804 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: better than their numbers. And yet this week, even if 805 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: I like the Packers better long term, is a nice 806 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: week to catch Green Bay, who's kind of limping to 807 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: their bye week. They have one of these late buys, Jenkins. 808 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins is out for the season. We know Bactr 809 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: had a setback in his knee recovery and he had 810 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: another surgery, and they still hope he's going to come 811 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: back this season, but it's not for this game. So 812 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: the offensive line is very thin, and yet I'm with you, Mark, 813 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 1: like that that Rogers performance was at like a warning 814 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: to the rest of the NFC, because I thought that 815 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: was the best game he had all the season. It's 816 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: been like Aaron Rodgers game manager all year, and that 817 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: was just like Aaron Rodgers v I don't give an 818 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: the last the last four possessions, he threw four touchdowns 819 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: and like it was one of those things where the 820 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: Vikings only chance was that the clock played out the 821 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: way it did and they had the ball last and 822 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: they kept Rogers off the field. So yeah, I think 823 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be a fun to watch. I mean 824 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: he did. He did pump it up um the serious 825 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: nature of the toe issue um after the game, so 826 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: I guess it is worth watching. But it certainly didn't 827 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: seem to bother him in that game. It seems like 828 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: Mason Crosby has ten injured toes to me, But no, 829 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: that's a whole different conversation. Know, he's only on that team. 830 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: Let's face it, he's been so bad. He's only on 831 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: a team because of the relationships he's established there with 832 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the trust he's earned over being as 833 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: good as he's been overall in his career, but he's 834 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 1: become a major liability for them. You wonder if it's 835 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: at this point the auditioning for kickers has to be 836 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: one bad game away at this point. Um, all right, 837 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: this draft really set up well here, UM, I will 838 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,240 Speaker 1: grab and I will run to Tampa Bay at Indianapolis. 839 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: Um in the early window. Great, great game the Bucks 840 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,000 Speaker 1: on Monday night. Uh, really it was clinical. It was 841 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,640 Speaker 1: exactly the type of win that you want. They started 842 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: six and one, they hit that bump in the road 843 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: with back to back losses. They hit the by and 844 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: then come back and just take care of a Giant's 845 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: team that was totally lost. And we'll get to the 846 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: Giants and the Jason Garrett news when we get to 847 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: their game. But Tampa was just more of the same. 848 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: I thought that they're just taking care of business, biding 849 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: their time. They're gonna get there, you know, eleven, twelve, 850 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: thirteen wins, and then we'll be see you in January 851 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: and they're gonna they'll be ready to roll barring any 852 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: serious injury. I feel so good about them on a 853 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: week to week basis, even with the somewhat recent struggles. However, 854 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: they go to Indianapolis and face a Cults team that 855 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: fears nothing, fears no God right now because they have 856 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: the most unstoppable player in the league at this time 857 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: unless you, you know, want to go on Justin Jefferson 858 00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: corner um. Jonathan Taylor is such a beast and it 859 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680 Speaker 1: will be a great challenge. I don't know where Vidavea is. 860 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: It sounds like he he sounds like he's gonna play. 861 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: He's such an important part of their run defense and 862 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: really everything that Tampa does. But Taylor has I believe, 863 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: eight straight games now with over one yards from scrimmage. 864 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: He was completely unstoppable in Buffalo. So you have a 865 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: great Bucks team, a champion on the road against the 866 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: Colts team that's feeling itself pumping in my veins with 867 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: the fourth over. Yeah, that's a great one. It's it's 868 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: too really good run defenses. The Colts are top two 869 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: I think right now in the in the Bucks are 870 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: always great, but doesn't feel like one matters more than 871 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: the other. It's like, yeah, if if you stop the 872 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: Bucks riding so hot, you know, if if if the 873 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: Bucks doesn't matter, if you can slow down Jonathan Taylor running, 874 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: then then they're in big trouble, even a guy as 875 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: good as Jonathan Taylor. To me, it's football. It's like 876 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 1: he's partly a function of his surroundings. Early in the season, 877 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: the offensive lines totally banged up. He's pretty much held 878 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: in check the first month of the year. Now that 879 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: like the numbers show that he's not getting touched before 880 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 1: contact sometimes until four yards per carry per play, which 881 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,600 Speaker 1: is insane. It's like two yards more than any other team. 882 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: It's because that offensive line is playing so well, and 883 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: and he's the most talented, i think, best pure runner 884 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: that there is in terms of making people missbreaking tackles, 885 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: going long, so that combination is unstoppable. I don't think 886 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: the Cults will be one of those teams like the 887 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: Patriots are and other teams that that look at the 888 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: Bucks and they're like, oh, we're not gonna run. They're 889 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 1: still going to try to run. It's just like, who's 890 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: going to be better. Well, it was a week ago 891 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: we were talking about Buffalo's defense and how you know 892 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,280 Speaker 1: the railroad probably stopped at that point for Indy. Andy 893 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: went and said, we're just gonna continue to do it 894 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,400 Speaker 1: more and more, and they blew the doors off of Buffalo. 895 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, on the blocking front, Nate Tice had to 896 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: I thought he was pointed out very in good fashion. 897 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,040 Speaker 1: How Jack Doyle has been a huge part of that 898 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: as well for Jonathan Taylor. They they are suddenly this 899 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: team that I think could beat anyone in the A 900 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,920 Speaker 1: f C. I mean, they look phenomenal. I don't know 901 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: if it's a Hard Knox HBO type of spiritual metaphysical 902 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: bump they're receiving, but it's real, and it's the rare 903 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: game where I feel like Tom Brady, this doesn't happen. 904 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: It's not really the A storyline. It is Jonathan Taylor 905 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: and the one thing I knowed about the Bucks, and 906 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: when they get hot, they get hot, so who cares. 907 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,719 Speaker 1: But they have been huge variance wise in home and 908 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: away splits. They're scoring fifteen fewer points per game on 909 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: the road and allowing eleven more points per game away 910 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,560 Speaker 1: from Raymond James Stadium. It's been happening all year long. 911 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 1: So from that angle, I kind of like the idea 912 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,320 Speaker 1: that the Colts just can keep doing what they're doing 913 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: and say, come bring it, Tom Brady, but we're gonna 914 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: bring something back your way too. You got a disguise 915 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: stuff though defensively, and they can do it more than 916 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: the Giants did Monday night. I know we didn't get 917 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: a chance to recap that game, but it's crazy just 918 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: how well Brady is moving right now. And I swear, 919 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: and maybe it's just like memory, I'm maybe I'm wrong. 920 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: I swear I've watched every Brady started his career right 921 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: and like he moves better now than he did in 922 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: two thousand one. There's just no question. People joke about 923 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: that twelve yard game head which was all fired up 924 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: about like he is faster now I think than he 925 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: was in O one oh three oh four, and he's 926 00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: absolutely as good in terms of moving around in the pocket. 927 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: It's it's insane. He's the m D p F. Jonathan 928 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 1: Taylor him. Wow, that's strong. Um, I guess I would. 929 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm dubious. I would like this take the stop Watch 930 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: out one or twenty four verse forty four. But at 931 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,760 Speaker 1: the same time, like man who knows he's he's obviously 932 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: put in a lot of work. Um, I think maybe 933 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,399 Speaker 1: what makes him seem more nimble is just how much 934 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,080 Speaker 1: he uh you know, dominates in terms of the mental 935 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: side of things and his ability to quickly react more 936 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: quickly than most quarterbacks, knowing when to now flee the 937 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 1: pocket or when to step up. He just everything is 938 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: in slow motion for Brady obviously, um and he just 939 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: seems more nimble as a result. I don't know, it's 940 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,840 Speaker 1: it's it's obviously one of the great uh medical marvels 941 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: in the history of professional sports in our country. About 942 00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 1: that taking it up a notch? All right, great game, 943 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: we love it. Let's pick that game. What the hell 944 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: I took the bucks on? No old the NFL dot 945 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: com slash game picks do it? By the way? In 946 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: that in general, are you're having as it has to 947 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: be a very difficult season to pick games obviously, I 948 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: mean it's hard to not great against the spread? Is 949 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: like six or seven over, which is which is not 950 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: great but not terrible either. What's like industry average? Are 951 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: you in that in the I have no idea. I'm 952 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: sure my my straight up picks are probably badly against 953 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: the spread. I would think average would be close to five. 954 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: I'm slightly above that. Nothing. Who's killing you? Who's killing 955 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: you week after week? The team that every time you 956 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: pick them to cover, they don't? I think that I 957 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,680 Speaker 1: like gave up on the Eagles right when they became good, 958 00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: after having way too much faith in them for a while. 959 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 1: I mean, if you finished without a troubling record at 960 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: the end of the season, what happens in house? Does 961 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: you know? Ali bun Pori? Yeah, you're taking you on 962 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,600 Speaker 1: the hand or something. You're taking over. You've got it 963 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: next time? Why you get two columns instead of on? Um? 964 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on, Gregg. It has worked its 965 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: way back to you after the snake slithers away. All right, 966 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: I'll take the remaining late game on the docket. That's 967 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,400 Speaker 1: Chargers Broncos and what are you gonna do? You know? 968 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,319 Speaker 1: Two teams I don't have any feel for whatsoever, like 969 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: to total old disappointments, Um. Two defenses that are very 970 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 1: similar in their strengths in which they don't really have 971 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,840 Speaker 1: right now, in their weaknesses which are built in Brandon's 972 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: Daley got to where he is because of Vick Fongio. 973 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: Came from a small college school to work for him 974 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: in Chicago, uh, and then in Denver too, So he's 975 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: been on this Bronco staff. Brandon's Dalely, it's amazing how 976 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,719 Speaker 1: quickly like his career rose he was like a linebackers 977 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: coach a couple of years ago, and their defenses are 978 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: both terrible. And I trust Justin Herbert more in this 979 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: game than I do Uh Teddy, of course, but I 980 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: kind of just expect both offenses to win. I expect 981 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 1: it to be a high scoring game. You can't fall 982 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: here if you're if you're l A, you can't. You can't. 983 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: This is your six and four. You'd be seven and 984 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: forward put you in a great spot. You've got the 985 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,800 Speaker 1: Bengals and Giants after that, and then you're often running. 986 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: And like Justin Herbert, which we we we watched with 987 00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,879 Speaker 1: our eyes live on Sunday night. I mean, I think 988 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,400 Speaker 1: it's not just his arm, it's what he did with 989 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: his legs in that game. He he is someone that's 990 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: going to challenge Denver in every possible way. And I 991 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of love these coaches when they know each other 992 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,280 Speaker 1: this well, and it is mentor verse, you know, pupil 993 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: versus teacher. Um. You know that these things don't always 994 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,520 Speaker 1: amount to much, but it's kind of spicy going in. 995 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,200 Speaker 1: I think it's you might be trying to project that 996 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 1: into the world. The Broncos can engage in a shootout, Greg, 997 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I know l A wasn't overly impressive 998 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 1: on defense. I mean, the Steelers just engaged in a shootout. Yeah, 999 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: but Broncos are an above average offense or an average 1000 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 1: offense just by the numbers they put thirty on the 1001 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: Cowboys a few weeks ago. I just mean, like anyone 1002 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: can get in a shoot out with this Chargers defense 1003 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,680 Speaker 1: right now. I know that. But if you look at 1004 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: even the game last week against Pittsburgh, Um, some of 1005 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,200 Speaker 1: those drives weren't exactly marathon marches down the field for Pittsburgh. 1006 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,520 Speaker 1: I know they were able to tally up points. Um. 1007 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,360 Speaker 1: I understand that you may not trust l A, but 1008 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't think Teddy and the Broncos really have shown 1009 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: that they can go toe to toe. If it's one 1010 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: of those good days for the Chargers offense, I guess 1011 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: I want to see consistency from the Los Angeles attack. 1012 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 1: We saw it obviously against a deeply underman Pittsburgh defense. 1013 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: That's a totally different game of t J. Watts playing. 1014 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: It's a totally different game of of making Fitzpatrick's playing 1015 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: and Joe Hayden's on the field. So show it to me, 1016 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 1: show me that you can do it back to back 1017 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: weeks and and really start gaining some momentum in the season. 1018 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a really important game for the Chargers 1019 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: if they want us to kind of take them seriously 1020 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,920 Speaker 1: as a credible a f C contender. I think it's 1021 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: fair because, like they rolled against Pittsburgh five and thirty 1022 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,680 Speaker 1: three yards, but that came a week after they put 1023 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: up to fifty against the Vikings. They had two hundred 1024 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: against the Ravens, and this was what we thought. I mean, defense, 1025 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: we'll see, but we thought this offense had a chance 1026 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: with Herbert to to shine and it's been somewhat disappointing. 1027 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: But if they look like they did last week, that 1028 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: Steelers defense was seen a lot of guys too, so 1029 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't put everything on that game, but they're starting 1030 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: to warm up. We should point out since we last 1031 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,240 Speaker 1: talked Broncos, they've signed Courtland Sutton and Tim Patrick, both 1032 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,960 Speaker 1: two big long term deals. Love Tim Patrick. What a 1033 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: story to bounced around the league. Undrafted guy gets a 1034 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: nice contract. I think a nice deal for Denver. Frankly 1035 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,360 Speaker 1: was almost underpaid, but I get taken the guarantee and 1036 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: Sutton stay in long term too. And you got Jerry 1037 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,319 Speaker 1: Judy obviously under that rookie contract for another uh three 1038 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: years after this season if you picked up his option. 1039 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: It's almost like really well set up for them to go, 1040 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: whether you know it's a draft or free agency or 1041 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: trade to say, hey, we have pieces here, come here 1042 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: and be our Matt stafford um that they're kind of 1043 00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 1: setting things up that way, it seems. Unless Teddy can 1044 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 1: go on a heater or here and keep himself in 1045 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: the mix, we shall see. Still a lot of football 1046 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: to play in the season. By the way, I asked 1047 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,720 Speaker 1: Ricky to look it up for me, and she, uh, 1048 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: she did it. She did a nice job with it. 1049 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: We talked about it last week, get length about how 1050 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: home teams were actually under five hundred through ten weeks 1051 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: of the season. Things did not get better in week 1052 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,359 Speaker 1: or leve. Then the home teams won six games uh 1053 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 1: and lost nine. So six and nine they went last week. 1054 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,480 Speaker 1: So they're now four games under five hundred as we 1055 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,399 Speaker 1: hit Thanksgiving. So keep an eye on that. Doesn't matter 1056 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 1: if the Broncos are home, doesn't matter that anybody's home 1057 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: in this strange What about what about the air? People 1058 00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: like to talk a lot about they get tired. That's 1059 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: the advantage, all right, Mark, that's have you ever gone 1060 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: skiing or something like that in Denver as a kid 1061 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,560 Speaker 1: like I didn't like you are hideously sick for about 1062 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I'm just telling you it's real, the 1063 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: real phenomenon. I know. I just feel like, um, you 1064 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,200 Speaker 1: don't hear as much about it when like the Broncos 1065 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: are getting drilled by the Eagles left, No, it seems 1066 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: to not play as much then, Um, all right, you 1067 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: want me to pick a game, I'll do it. I 1068 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: would like to. I'm going Pittsburgh at Cincinnati in the 1069 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,800 Speaker 1: early time slot. There good old a f C North 1070 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: between two teams, and I think it's at a major 1071 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: turning point for both. I mean, the loser of this 1072 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,399 Speaker 1: is in a little bit of trouble. I they thought 1073 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati like they you know, that game was close against 1074 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,600 Speaker 1: the Raiders last week at the end. But Joe Mixon 1075 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: is not getting talked about enough. I don't know if 1076 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,600 Speaker 1: just because there's so many other running backs that are 1077 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,360 Speaker 1: having good seasons, but he's quietly you know, fourth in 1078 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,440 Speaker 1: the league and rushing you had a monster has had 1079 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,719 Speaker 1: a couple of my Monster game last week, and I 1080 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,600 Speaker 1: thought they just ran really hard and that you know, 1081 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: they didn't have him for ten games last year and 1082 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: they didn't have Burrows, So that this all leads to 1083 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,200 Speaker 1: why the transformations happened a little bit on offense and Chase, 1084 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, Jamar Chase. I want to see what happens 1085 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh because he's had three games in a row 1086 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,680 Speaker 1: where he's been under fifty yards and you know, Mike 1087 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,040 Speaker 1: Tomlin basically said yeah, because it's the product of a 1088 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: rookie showing that he's earned the respect of game planners 1089 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: and like they are. There was there was a play 1090 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,239 Speaker 1: last week where they threw him like a slant and 1091 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: like he had three guys on him. So it's gonna 1092 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,600 Speaker 1: be a different journey for him. But Pittsburgh, you know, 1093 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,400 Speaker 1: we just talked about that Chargers game and how they 1094 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,920 Speaker 1: rolled over this defense. T J. Watt coming back, make 1095 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,840 Speaker 1: it Fitzpatrick sounds like he's coming back. Joe Hayden. That 1096 00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,520 Speaker 1: helps a lot. I thought last week what they were 1097 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: able to do was basically put a ton of attention 1098 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,160 Speaker 1: on Cam Hayward, and it mostly worked when he wasn't 1099 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: batting a past that was intercepted, or punching Justin Herbert 1100 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: in the chest while he was on the ground. Obscene. 1101 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what even know why he's eligible this week? 1102 00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,480 Speaker 1: How are we getting away with that? But anyways, this 1103 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,040 Speaker 1: this is gonna be a blood bath right down to 1104 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,839 Speaker 1: the end. I almost locked up the Steelers, but I'm 1105 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,200 Speaker 1: a little too freaked out by they're like five point 1106 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: underdogs to know that. I think this is how I 1107 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: see the a f C North right now. Um So 1108 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,240 Speaker 1: in the power rings, I have Ravens at thirteen, Browns 1109 00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:38,719 Speaker 1: of fourteen Angles of fifteen, Steelers at nineteen. I think 1110 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 1: there is a difference. I think that the Steelers are 1111 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,919 Speaker 1: just a tick below these teams, certainly when they're compromised 1112 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,239 Speaker 1: as they were on Sunday. Um now, we'll see where 1113 00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 1: are we at physically on their defense, or we can 1114 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: have these guys back in the field, because that makes 1115 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,040 Speaker 1: obviously a big difference. But I just I don't like 1116 00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 1: their chances. Uh. If Cincinnati's moving the ball well and 1117 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,520 Speaker 1: they need big Ben in this offense to score points, 1118 00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 1: I just don't see it on a week to week basis. Uh, 1119 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: it just seems like an old team and It really 1120 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,319 Speaker 1: stood out to me. And this is you know, we're 1121 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: just talking about Tom Brady at age forty four appearing 1122 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 1: to be, by some eyes to be faster than he 1123 00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: was when he was twenty four. Uh, Big Ben. That 1124 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: is nobody saying that about him. And I think it 1125 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,120 Speaker 1: really stood out to me in that game against the 1126 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,360 Speaker 1: Chargers that when a play broke down for l A, 1127 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,880 Speaker 1: they had a young quarterback who was able to escape 1128 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 1: the pocket. He ran for ninety yards. That was the 1129 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: most yard ast you've ever seen in from a Charger's quarterback. Actually, 1130 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,760 Speaker 1: And when a play breaks down for the Steelers, when 1131 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,240 Speaker 1: things aren't set up perfectly right and the protection isn't there, 1132 00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: it's over. It's a rap. Because Ben is maybe the 1133 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: greatest and the most obvious stone age pony marks since 1134 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: late period Dan Dan Marino at the stage. So I 1135 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,120 Speaker 1: think that's a problem for Pittsburgh's offense that the quarterback 1136 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,280 Speaker 1: is so immobile that it takes away just any element 1137 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,560 Speaker 1: of surprise and getting plus plays out of negative situations. Well, 1138 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,120 Speaker 1: and he doesn't have the big arm to make up 1139 00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 1: for it. Now to you mentioned that play to Claypool 1140 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,640 Speaker 1: last week, Greet kind of under threw him deep. That's 1141 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:14,600 Speaker 1: that said, right, that said, I think their best to 1142 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: bend games of the year are the last two, and 1143 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,800 Speaker 1: I think the offense is at least trending up. You know, 1144 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,920 Speaker 1: you said like they didn't exactly light it up. Every 1145 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,960 Speaker 1: drive they had was successful until the last two. I 1146 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,480 Speaker 1: mean they got they got stuck at the two yard line, 1147 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,440 Speaker 1: but there's only three drives they had in the first half. 1148 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: They marched right down the field against the Chargers. Then 1149 00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 1: they put up a lot of points in short fields, 1150 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,440 Speaker 1: which is lucky, and they couldn't come through in the end, 1151 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: but they did move the ball pretty well. And I 1152 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: think they there's just something beyond like who's playing who's 1153 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: not that when I see Mike Tomlins speaking on Tuesday 1154 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: and I think about like the fact he's never had 1155 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: a losing record, and I I disagree with you in 1156 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,520 Speaker 1: terms of your power agains. Where I put this division. 1157 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,600 Speaker 1: I put the Ravens ahead of the pack and probably 1158 00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,919 Speaker 1: have them as about a top ten type of team eight, 1159 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,080 Speaker 1: eight or nine, and put the other three in a jumble, 1160 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,680 Speaker 1: all very equal. And there's something about this Steelers organization 1161 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 1: that there it's not about like XS and knows that. Like, 1162 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: I just look at this and I just feel like 1163 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,840 Speaker 1: there's something with this Steelers team and Tomlin that I 1164 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,680 Speaker 1: just I think they're gonna overachieve in the end. I 1165 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,960 Speaker 1: just in and overachieving is ten and seven and probably 1166 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: losing in the wild card round. But that that's the 1167 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: type of team I see with this, with this group, 1168 00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 1: you know what, you convinced me. I'm gonna go stick 1169 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,040 Speaker 1: with my initial instinct. I'm locking up Pittsburgh is the 1170 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of game they win. It's just the kind of 1171 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,600 Speaker 1: game they win. That's a good one. That's That's an 1172 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,040 Speaker 1: onion hanger right there, Mary, that is I like it. 1173 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,959 Speaker 1: We were going out underdogs across the board here on 1174 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,960 Speaker 1: on lock so far with Dan to go, West took 1175 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: on the Westley, I got, I got a favorite, a 1176 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: heavy favorite. As it turns out, I have Erica. Oh 1177 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,160 Speaker 1: that's right. Dan took the Patriots, Erica took one. I 1178 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 1: got the Lions. What a week and watch I'll be 1179 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:04,360 Speaker 1: the only one who loses, especially favorites, not only our 1180 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,800 Speaker 1: home teams losing favorites. I think have a losing record 1181 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,160 Speaker 1: over the last three weeks to combine. So that's pretty crazy. Alright, Mark, 1182 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: you have the snake here. After this, I do have 1183 01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: the snake. I'm gonna go Carolina at Miami. Um. You know, 1184 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I I typically try to take a game that is 1185 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,320 Speaker 1: like an ultra trash bag is my second early game. 1186 01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: But I'm intrigued by the Panthers as much as any 1187 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,919 Speaker 1: team around right now. And I don't think it's just 1188 01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Cam Newton's um arrival. I get that. So it's like 1189 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,480 Speaker 1: an ultra trash bag? Is that like the quality? Is 1190 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 1: it like a trash bag that it's on the top 1191 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:41,040 Speaker 1: shelf in the trash bag aisle of the grocery store 1192 01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: and it's really made of the type of materials that 1193 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,800 Speaker 1: it will not break, will never rip, will never let 1194 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: you down. Or is an ultra trash bag at the 1195 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,240 Speaker 1: bottom shelf and it's the one that's sold by the company. 1196 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: It's like the supermarket version of it, and you put 1197 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,680 Speaker 1: more than a certain amount of weight in it, it 1198 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: will just come crashing through the body. Because the top 1199 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,880 Speaker 1: of the shelf scenario sounds like a compliment. Um, I'm 1200 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,440 Speaker 1: thinking more like, you know, if you get your trash 1201 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,200 Speaker 1: picked up and it's the first like smelly bag of 1202 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: trash you put in the trash can and it's still 1203 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: there at the bottom. Um a week later when the 1204 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 1: trash trucks come back again and it's probably worse than ever. 1205 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,840 Speaker 1: That's well, that's it. And you know what, that's a 1206 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: different take on it. I didn't even consider looking it 1207 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: from that. So you're saying, like the physical placement of 1208 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,200 Speaker 1: the trash within the bin, Okay, yeah, the stench, I 1209 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,000 Speaker 1: mean the stench coming off a bad team. The first 1210 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: of all, it wouldn't be you know, rolled up in 1211 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: a nice little box. It would be it would it 1212 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,120 Speaker 1: would be hideous to the nose. Um. So I almost 1213 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, but then I almost went jets Houston. But 1214 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,400 Speaker 1: that's just too bad. I can't deal with that. But 1215 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,200 Speaker 1: I want to. I want to be interested in these teams. 1216 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,160 Speaker 1: It is Carolina to me. It's like I get that 1217 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,920 Speaker 1: it's Cam Newton is back, but it's Christian McCaffrey is 1218 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,120 Speaker 1: the real transformation on this offense. Like the idea that like, 1219 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, Donald went for weeks and weeks without him. 1220 01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: He's got his own issues, but it's the perfect timing 1221 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: to have him and Cam together them exactly. Um, they 1222 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: ran a couple of trick plays last week. I think 1223 01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: they're feeling themselves. But Matt Rule came out of that 1224 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,320 Speaker 1: game pretty furious actually, with the fact they give a 1225 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,920 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety yards rushing, saying that if you're in 1226 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: the race, good teams don't do that. They lead the 1227 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,520 Speaker 1: league in penalties as well, So they're not a perfect 1228 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 1: team on any spy any stretch. But I think that 1229 01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,080 Speaker 1: they the Panthers at this point are warming up a 1230 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: little bit um, as has the Dolphins defense to some degree. 1231 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of intrigued by that matchup. Um I'm 1232 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,360 Speaker 1: on the fringe of not buying into the Dolphins at all, 1233 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,960 Speaker 1: but these were two teams I picked for the playoffs, 1234 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,600 Speaker 1: So it's my which one will I'd be more right 1235 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: on by Sunday night. The Dolphins, You're not going to 1236 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,640 Speaker 1: be right on either way, because I know that we 1237 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,000 Speaker 1: keep making this case. They're like playing all these bad teams. 1238 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: There's still three games back right now in the lost 1239 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,920 Speaker 1: column with well, you never know you're going against type 1240 01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,080 Speaker 1: there by counting them out. At this point, they're still 1241 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 1: you know, seven six seven games together. You're right, they 1242 01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 1: they gotta win this one. In theory, they might have 1243 01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,520 Speaker 1: an offense that could do okay against Carolina because I 1244 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,640 Speaker 1: think to beat them in their pastors, either got to 1245 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: run the ball, and teams have done that pretty well 1246 01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 1: a handful of times. Or you gotta just have that 1247 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 1: quick passing game, which is what the Patriots were so 1248 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 1: afraid of, this pass rush that they everything was like 1249 01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,040 Speaker 1: a three step drop, and no one loves a three 1250 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 1: step drop more than two h two is very predictable 1251 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,640 Speaker 1: at this point. He is a He's really good at 1252 01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: the quick game. He makes the worst offensive line in 1253 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,920 Speaker 1: the league look better, which is not nothing. That's something. Uh. 1254 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,000 Speaker 1: And he can't do much down the field. It's just 1255 01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 1: like not gonna happen. But I think you could probably 1256 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: beat the Panthers that way. Thinking I would say now 1257 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: that we're starting to get a better look at to 1258 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: uh and you know, I'm keeping the door open that 1259 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,840 Speaker 1: he could really play well over the last month and 1260 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,680 Speaker 1: a half and and change some minds maybe in that building. 1261 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,640 Speaker 1: But he doesn't necessarily strike you as a special player. 1262 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, is it too soon to make a comment 1263 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,880 Speaker 1: like that. He doesn't have in the best case scenario, 1264 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:54,400 Speaker 1: He's like a poor man's Drew Brees, which never struck 1265 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,520 Speaker 1: you with physical to us, that was always his path. 1266 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can get there, but that's 1267 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 1: his path, all right. Market was that your second? That 1268 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 1: was my second? That was a snake. Okay, Gregg, it 1269 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: comes back to you. I'm trying to leave a game 1270 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 1: open for Shook, you know, just to make it all work. 1271 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 1: So I'm taking Falcons Jaguars as my second game. I 1272 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: said it, Uh not because I want to. It's sad 1273 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,240 Speaker 1: that when Jamal Agnew got hurt last week, he's out 1274 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,520 Speaker 1: for the season for the Jaguars, it was like, Oh, 1275 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,640 Speaker 1: their offense is really in trouble now. It's like this 1276 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,120 Speaker 1: guy was getting cut and was a sixth receiver on 1277 01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,840 Speaker 1: other teams, and he's a special teamer and he was 1278 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,520 Speaker 1: a really key part of their passing attack. It's been 1279 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,920 Speaker 1: it's been tough to watch them. And they look at 1280 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,840 Speaker 1: the Falcons this week and I'm sure they think, well, 1281 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: this is a team we can at least move the 1282 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,000 Speaker 1: ball against. We should be able to protect Trevor Lawrence, 1283 01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,240 Speaker 1: we should have a game. We have not seen much 1284 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,880 Speaker 1: progress out of this Jaguars offense, but this Falcons team, 1285 01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:57,160 Speaker 1: if they win this game, which they obviously can they 1286 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 1: got to be one of the worst five and six 1287 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,240 Speaker 1: teams we've had in a while. They are thirty second 1288 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,720 Speaker 1: in d v O A, by the way, right now 1289 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:05,000 Speaker 1: they are They're the worst team in the NFL according 1290 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,000 Speaker 1: to d v A, and yet they could be five 1291 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and six very realistically after that. I'd ask you this 1292 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,360 Speaker 1: because I've been up and down on the Falcons and 1293 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,919 Speaker 1: I was proven decisively well, but my battle is over 1294 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,840 Speaker 1: on the ups for the Pros to this point. Let's 1295 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,720 Speaker 1: put that way, But which program under first year head 1296 01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,040 Speaker 1: coaches do you have more faith in going forward? The 1297 01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Falcons just because they're not the Jaguars. I mean, if 1298 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,919 Speaker 1: if Ridley Hurst and Patterson were out there, I think 1299 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: you had and then you you pick some holes on 1300 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,280 Speaker 1: the offensive line, you've got an offense at least you 1301 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,960 Speaker 1: can cook with a little bit. But they're not out there. 1302 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,000 Speaker 1: They're not Trevor Lawrence versus probably having to replaced Matt 1303 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Ryan down right with program, And to me, I'm already 1304 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,600 Speaker 1: looking forward to the next Trevor Lawrence program. This is 1305 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,520 Speaker 1: it's a tough year for him. This has not been 1306 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,760 Speaker 1: what he expected his rookie seat him to look like. 1307 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,800 Speaker 1: I think he has eight touchdowns and three attempts uh 1308 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,040 Speaker 1: this season, but he needs help and he needs things 1309 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:08,680 Speaker 1: to get calmed down there. And there was too much 1310 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,200 Speaker 1: of a circus this season as a rookie. Um. And 1311 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 1: we're not even to Thanksgiving yet. But he was for 1312 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,640 Speaker 1: three for thirteen yards last week and the score was 1313 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,680 Speaker 1: seventeen nothing. He had literally done nothing wrong. It's like 1314 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,479 Speaker 1: it's it's tough to watch him because you know there's 1315 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,960 Speaker 1: really promising, potential superstar there and he's just trapped in 1316 01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,680 Speaker 1: a bad situation. I think the Falcons and Arthur Smith 1317 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 1: are in a very tough spot here because Matt Ryan 1318 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,520 Speaker 1: looks shot to me. I know he can do it 1319 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,160 Speaker 1: when you protect him, but he is right, he's in 1320 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,880 Speaker 1: that big Ben mold now as well. He's just too 1321 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,080 Speaker 1: old and he's aging like the quarterbacks used to age, 1322 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,200 Speaker 1: where he's in his mid thirties now, and he's just 1323 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,480 Speaker 1: if you get to him with a pass rush, he 1324 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,960 Speaker 1: will just get absolutely she lacked and the team will 1325 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 1: get blown out of the building. Um. I know he 1326 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,000 Speaker 1: can put together stretches and he still has the accuracy 1327 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,280 Speaker 1: and enough arm, but they own so much money still, 1328 01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,440 Speaker 1: but they also need to move on and get younger 1329 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and more dynamic and get with the times that I 1330 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,920 Speaker 1: think being the head coach of the Falcons at the 1331 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,480 Speaker 1: end of Matt Ryan's career is not a great safe 1332 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,480 Speaker 1: place to be because it's if he's the quarterback next year. Um, 1333 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Like, I don't care what you build up 1334 01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: around him. I think the season is gonna have a 1335 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,760 Speaker 1: similar look because he's just the player and decline. It 1336 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,560 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit. The situations are not exact, 1337 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 1: but the tough nature of it. When Jimmy Johnson took 1338 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,960 Speaker 1: over the Dolphins, like Jimmy Johnson and Dan Marino are 1339 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna take over the NFC, and like Dan Marino, you know, 1340 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,000 Speaker 1: like two years later lost his final game, like but 1341 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,240 Speaker 1: here's the difference. This is why this is a different situation. 1342 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson was one of the most heralded gets for 1343 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: any owner as a head coach in the last thirty 1344 01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,520 Speaker 1: years when he left the Cowboys and then ended up 1345 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,640 Speaker 1: with the Dolphins. So he had that that that job 1346 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 1: security to be able to withstand the end of that 1347 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,840 Speaker 1: era and then try to start a new one. It 1348 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,120 Speaker 1: didn't work out, obviously, Jimmy Johnson in Miami, but Arthur 1349 01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520 Speaker 1: Smith does not have the pelts on the wall. So 1350 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,920 Speaker 1: I just wonder if if this season goes the way 1351 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,920 Speaker 1: it's going and then he has another season where it 1352 01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: doesn't go well because you have an old quarterback you 1353 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,080 Speaker 1: can't move. Now, he's gonna be two years in. That's 1354 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,880 Speaker 1: what I mean by I think Arthur Smith's in a 1355 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,880 Speaker 1: little bit of danger based on the timing of Ryan's career. 1356 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,400 Speaker 1: They have a big They're gonna have a big offseason. 1357 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,559 Speaker 1: They're they're one team we could fork, even though I 1358 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,760 Speaker 1: know they're right in this all that said about Matt Ryan, 1359 01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,360 Speaker 1: and I don't totally just I don't disagree with what 1360 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,759 Speaker 1: you said, Dan, Like you put him on the Saints 1361 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: and they actually have their tackles in and stuff. It's 1362 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 1: like that team might go to the super Bowl. So 1363 01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,559 Speaker 1: it's like, I think Matt Ryan still something to give. 1364 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,120 Speaker 1: I really do. Now. I think he's better now than 1365 01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,080 Speaker 1: Big Bend, for instance, So he's not at that level, 1366 01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,200 Speaker 1: but he's also it's a problem and you saw it 1367 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,240 Speaker 1: against against New England for sure. All right, let's take 1368 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,960 Speaker 1: a time bomb sitting on deep deep down the train 1369 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,320 Speaker 1: tracks and the trains not they can't go left to right. 1370 01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: It just has to go over the bomb and he s, yeah, exactly. 1371 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,200 Speaker 1: He just stresses me out when he's rips off that 1372 01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 1: helmet and he's got that red face made. It's just like, God, 1373 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,200 Speaker 1: this is not gonna get better. Um, let's close it out. 1374 01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: You guys left me with the two New York teams. 1375 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: Who are they post fifteen straight prime time games? Uh? 1376 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,679 Speaker 1: New York Sports is in a really bad place, big 1377 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,720 Speaker 1: picture wise, but specifically in the NFL. Of course, I'll 1378 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,519 Speaker 1: grab the Jets at Houston. I'll be quick on this 1379 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,559 Speaker 1: because we don't need to dwell on the game because 1380 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,599 Speaker 1: who cares about the Texans. Good job getting that win 1381 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,040 Speaker 1: last week, but you also potentially cost yourself the number 1382 01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,759 Speaker 1: one overall pick. So bad job the Jets. It only 1383 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,360 Speaker 1: the only thing that matters is Zach Wilson's playing again. 1384 01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,880 Speaker 1: And it is notable that since Michael Lefloor the Brother 1385 01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the Bearded Boy um had other quarterbacks with more experience 1386 01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,440 Speaker 1: and had their heads on their shoulders more. Uh. Excluding 1387 01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,559 Speaker 1: the Buffalo game when Mike White completely bombed out, the 1388 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,640 Speaker 1: offense has been better since Zack Wilson left and There 1389 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of different factors in there that led 1390 01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 1: to it, but the play of Zack Wilson, obviously and 1391 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,760 Speaker 1: how poor it was was at the top of the list. 1392 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,320 Speaker 1: Does he come back, is he a better quarterback upon 1393 01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: his return? Does he grow and build uh down the 1394 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 1: stretch here, or does he have a really bad season 1395 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,120 Speaker 1: all the way through? And then if you're a Jets fan, 1396 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 1: you're asking questions about, oh God, is it happening again 1397 01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,920 Speaker 1: at quarterback? It's too early to make any decisions, But 1398 01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,200 Speaker 1: I will throw one thing out there, hypothetical. Me and 1399 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:28,160 Speaker 1: Claybourne were talking in the news room yesterday. Would you 1400 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,760 Speaker 1: we see what's happening in Seattle this day? You know 1401 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,479 Speaker 1: this is all nonsense, but fun Russell Wilson to the 1402 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:41,519 Speaker 1: Jets for Zack Wilson, and they also send back that 1403 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,439 Speaker 1: Seattle number one pick that they lost to Jamal Adams. 1404 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,080 Speaker 1: So Zach Wilson in a one to Seattle for Russell Wilson, 1405 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,080 Speaker 1: Who says yes? Who says no? I'm saying yes if 1406 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,839 Speaker 1: if I'm the Jets, say no. If I was Seattle, 1407 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: I think but um, because we have to see what 1408 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,599 Speaker 1: happens there. If I was the Jets I would say 1409 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,599 Speaker 1: yes to the second because I think there's no more 1410 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:08,040 Speaker 1: precious commodity in the league than a functional franchise also 1411 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 1: all pro type quarterback that you can build around immediately. 1412 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,639 Speaker 1: I mean, Zack Wilson remains an unknown project at this point, 1413 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,160 Speaker 1: like the idea of them. But but that's that's that 1414 01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,040 Speaker 1: gets people fired if it goes south, a little bit, 1415 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of feisty that trade, right, I like 1416 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,760 Speaker 1: it also like a lot of how what he has 1417 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,680 Speaker 1: seven starts to go, so that's just as many as 1418 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: we've seen. There's a lot of runway to evaluate him. 1419 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,400 Speaker 1: They were dead last in e p A when he 1420 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:34,840 Speaker 1: was the starter. They were ninth in offensive e p 1421 01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,439 Speaker 1: A in the starts that he missed missed overall. So 1422 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,040 Speaker 1: but there was a lot of other factors. I don't 1423 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 1: think that's all on him, but you you do want 1424 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,720 Speaker 1: to see him keep keep it rolling that they're at 1425 01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,800 Speaker 1: least competent, and it's good, good start for him to 1426 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,800 Speaker 1: start off with Houston. YEP. I agree, all right, we 1427 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,320 Speaker 1: have to u let's we got one more game and 1428 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,280 Speaker 1: then the primetime games. All right, the other Giants, the 1429 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,160 Speaker 1: other New York team, the Eagles at the meadow ends 1430 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:05,000 Speaker 1: against the Giants. Uh quick post mortem for the Giants 1431 01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:12,080 Speaker 1: after Monday night. The offense a total mess against the Bucks. 1432 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,000 Speaker 1: They have multiple opportunities to make that a game, to 1433 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,880 Speaker 1: maybe even steal that game, and they kept on getting 1434 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:22,519 Speaker 1: bogged down. And people like Brian Baldinger. Baldy called out 1435 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,280 Speaker 1: a specific play And I'm not saying this is what 1436 01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:28,240 Speaker 1: got Jason Garrett fired, but I thought it was interesting 1437 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,080 Speaker 1: that the internet seized on that one particular play when 1438 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,439 Speaker 1: the Giants against a three man rush um had three 1439 01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:40,639 Speaker 1: players all converging in the same spot eight yards down field. 1440 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,200 Speaker 1: Uh and they're basically ping ponging off each other and 1441 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,840 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has nowhere to go with the ball. And 1442 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett gets fired twenty four hours later. Uh so 1443 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,439 Speaker 1: the Giants they're starting over on offense. And I wonder, Mark, 1444 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,960 Speaker 1: if do you think that is gonna help Joe Judge 1445 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 1: now that Jason Garrett has been sacrificed to the fans. 1446 01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a terrible spot for a coach when 1447 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,040 Speaker 1: you're in no, it's November and you have to start 1448 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,000 Speaker 1: producing scapegoats. Not that Jason Garrett, uh, you know, didn't 1449 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,040 Speaker 1: deserve to be demoted slash let go. I think that's 1450 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 1: been you know, in the in the soup for a 1451 01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 1: long time. They've been talking about that happening. But I 1452 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,000 Speaker 1: don't think it saves Joe Judge or is a good 1453 01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,759 Speaker 1: thing for Joe Judge, because the overall makeup of this offense, 1454 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,960 Speaker 1: looking at who they have personnel wise, it's inexcusable what 1455 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,040 Speaker 1: they produced. Um A lot of them have been injured 1456 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: though too. I think a week ago we're saying we 1457 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,640 Speaker 1: can't judge Jason Garrett, we can't judge Joe Judge, we 1458 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,200 Speaker 1: can't judge Daniel Jones because who's not on the field. 1459 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,760 Speaker 1: And it's just like, look at at this point, like 1460 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,160 Speaker 1: Joe Judge is saving his own job by getting rid 1461 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,559 Speaker 1: of other people that usually now maybe not in the 1462 01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Giants organization, that usually is a stepping stone. Did weaving 1463 01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,800 Speaker 1: goodbye to him come January? Right? I think you know 1464 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,200 Speaker 1: it only helps him if the offense improves under Freddie Kitchens. 1465 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: I mean, is that's the real big story here. It's 1466 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,120 Speaker 1: the return of Freddie Kitchens to our life. Um. I 1467 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,879 Speaker 1: I think you could look at Calarious Tony's usage alone 1468 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,240 Speaker 1: and be like that's a fire able offense just because 1469 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,200 Speaker 1: you see him and I just see a super duperstar. 1470 01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,320 Speaker 1: It was just his movement is exactly what every team 1471 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:19,760 Speaker 1: in this sort of open nfls and they just haven't 1472 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,599 Speaker 1: figured out how to use it. There was another play 1473 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,280 Speaker 1: fourth and one where Tony Slayton and Gola Day weren't 1474 01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:29,559 Speaker 1: even on the field and they just throw the most 1475 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,320 Speaker 1: predictable like passed to their backup tight end and everyone 1476 01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,559 Speaker 1: was covered and Jones had no chance at that place. 1477 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,920 Speaker 1: So I think it made sense absolutely to change offenses 1478 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,719 Speaker 1: because it wasn't working and just try something different, because 1479 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,639 Speaker 1: I think everyone's getting swept out, including Judge if this continues. 1480 01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:50,400 Speaker 1: They are eighteen and forty under Gettleman and Ali talked 1481 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,760 Speaker 1: about which made everyone mad, was we want to run 1482 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,840 Speaker 1: the ball and we want to stop the run. They 1483 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,920 Speaker 1: are thirtieth in stopping the run this year. They're terrible 1484 01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,519 Speaker 1: at running the ball. So even that idea, which didn't 1485 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,680 Speaker 1: seem like a great idea, has not played out at all, 1486 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,720 Speaker 1: and I think they're all gone if if they don't 1487 01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,000 Speaker 1: turn it around in some fashion. I think you're right, 1488 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,720 Speaker 1: and I think they've made se Kwan Barkley boring, and 1489 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,439 Speaker 1: you know he's struggled to stay on the field, but 1490 01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:14,679 Speaker 1: even when he plays, he just he doesn't pop anymore 1491 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,800 Speaker 1: like he did initially. And Candarius Tony, we all see 1492 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:19,360 Speaker 1: the same thing. When the balls in his hands, he's 1493 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,480 Speaker 1: so much fun. And Kenny Golladay has been, uh previously 1494 01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:27,040 Speaker 1: in recent seasons one of the best downfield playmakers in 1495 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,960 Speaker 1: the NFL when healthy, and neither of those guys have 1496 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,800 Speaker 1: a single touchdown this year. So the Giants obviously, uh, 1497 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,680 Speaker 1: this was in a lot of ways overdue, even though 1498 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,559 Speaker 1: it happened in the middle of November. Right compared the 1499 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,880 Speaker 1: development of Candarius Tony to to Vonta Smith and Philly 1500 01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: who who they will see this week. I mean, it's 1501 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,680 Speaker 1: just like you've got a general manager in New York 1502 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,040 Speaker 1: who feels full of old ideas. They had a no 1503 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,280 Speaker 1: ce who was full of old ideas, and we're not 1504 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,800 Speaker 1: sure what Joe Judges ideas are. That's not a good mix. 1505 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: On the Philadelphia I don't trust any defense stopping this 1506 01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,559 Speaker 1: Eagles rushing attack right now unless they got something specially 1507 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,000 Speaker 1: going on, and the Giants do not. It does feel 1508 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: like the Eagles, who are playing with a lot of 1509 01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:09,320 Speaker 1: confidence right now, and they have they have a personality, 1510 01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,400 Speaker 1: they have a mindset that they're gonna run run you over. 1511 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,160 Speaker 1: I like their chances here. All right, let's say pause here, 1512 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,679 Speaker 1: we'll be right back prime Time. Start with Sunday Night football. 1513 01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,800 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns head to Baltimore against the Ravens. All right, Mark, 1514 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:25,960 Speaker 1: Well just tee it up for you, buddy. How you 1515 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: feeling on this one. I like the idea that they 1516 01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,800 Speaker 1: will have Kareem Hunt back, likely Jack Conklin back. I mean, 1517 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,360 Speaker 1: you get back to being who they were. Maybe that 1518 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,160 Speaker 1: can help Baker Mayfield coming off the worst game of 1519 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,679 Speaker 1: his career. But I put a lot of what's happened 1520 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,840 Speaker 1: on Baker Mayfield on Baker Mayfield, and this team is 1521 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,800 Speaker 1: in chaos. To me, I don't trust them right now. Um, 1522 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,200 Speaker 1: you asked who they were on our network show with 1523 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,439 Speaker 1: the real Cleveland Browns. Please stand up. Uh. I think 1524 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,080 Speaker 1: they are who they are. They're just a middling team 1525 01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:59,720 Speaker 1: right now that feels compared to a year ago. UM, discombobulated, disorganized. 1526 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't like watching them. They make me nervous, they 1527 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,479 Speaker 1: make me agitated. UM, I don't like the idea of 1528 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,160 Speaker 1: them going up against the Ravens team that you know, 1529 01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,879 Speaker 1: when put with their backs up against the wall, losing 1530 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,760 Speaker 1: the game, Tyler Huntley leads them to victory. That's who 1531 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:19,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens are and the Browns right now. I mean that, Yes, 1532 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:22,280 Speaker 1: they've been extremely banged up. They produced six pressures last 1533 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,800 Speaker 1: week against the Detroit Lions. On defense, you just even 1534 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,120 Speaker 1: even the defense it feels like is so hot and cold. 1535 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,160 Speaker 1: There were a couple of weeks We're thinking this could 1536 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 1: be one of the best defenses in the league. Then 1537 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,960 Speaker 1: they get utterly torched the next week. So I don't 1538 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,800 Speaker 1: see anything consistent from week to week. Their unpredictable. I 1539 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,479 Speaker 1: don't like them in this game. I don't like that 1540 01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,240 Speaker 1: they have this that a bye week than another Ravens game. 1541 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,240 Speaker 1: I see. It's very possible they lose both and their 1542 01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: season I don't care about mathematically, their seasons spiritually and 1543 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,320 Speaker 1: emotionally would be over at that point. Can they surprise us? 1544 01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,519 Speaker 1: Can they pull it out? I'm very close to switching 1545 01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,080 Speaker 1: my lock to the Ravens because I'm very annoyed with 1546 01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,519 Speaker 1: what's happen. Really, because I was gonna locked the Ravens 1547 01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,880 Speaker 1: the only reason I didn't was just out of like, 1548 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 1: that's mean to Mark. I am locking him up forget 1549 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,120 Speaker 1: to steal, un locking up the Ravens because you know 1550 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,599 Speaker 1: what they put They have put me in the They've 1551 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,439 Speaker 1: put me in this position at this point. Are you 1552 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,240 Speaker 1: punishing the Browns right now? Well, remember what I said 1553 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,599 Speaker 1: to them on our show, obey me, do not get 1554 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,200 Speaker 1: whacked a couple of weeks ago against that opponent. They 1555 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,040 Speaker 1: got destroyed. And it's like they don't answer the call 1556 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,040 Speaker 1: of the fans. Um. I look at I love Kevin Stefancy, 1557 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,880 Speaker 1: and I like the I don't answer the call of 1558 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,920 Speaker 1: the fans. I mean, what do you want him to do? 1559 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,360 Speaker 1: And I were just an interviewer. He said, I don't 1560 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,760 Speaker 1: care about what the fans say. So I guess that checks. Well, 1561 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,479 Speaker 1: that's the other thing I hear. Now, it's where at 1562 01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,120 Speaker 1: the point where everyone is suggesting, and I'm not saying 1563 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:44,120 Speaker 1: it's a looney suggestion that you ride case Keenum. Now, 1564 01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,920 Speaker 1: the question I'd have is that is because you want 1565 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,280 Speaker 1: to get Baker Mayfield healthy. If you want to try 1566 01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 1: to get him healthy, he's got one injury that's not 1567 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,400 Speaker 1: going away the season no matter what I think the 1568 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,120 Speaker 1: case Keenum fetish would would quell once you get a 1569 01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:00,960 Speaker 1: couple of games of case Keenum. That I have a 1570 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,040 Speaker 1: not an especially healthy comp here um in terms of 1571 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,600 Speaker 1: mental health. But when I was watching Baker play this 1572 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,360 Speaker 1: past Sunday, he reminded me of like Mark Sanchez when 1573 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,480 Speaker 1: things really turned sour for the Jets. I mean, missing throws, 1574 01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,120 Speaker 1: just the offense being stuck in mud, no energy to 1575 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,600 Speaker 1: the drives, no rhythm. I don't think it's crazy. I 1576 01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,400 Speaker 1: don't know what do we really think that Baker if 1577 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,120 Speaker 1: he really is as bad as he's been. Uh, and 1578 01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot of it comes back to injuries. Case Keendom 1579 01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:32,599 Speaker 1: is one of the highest paid backups in the league. 1580 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,320 Speaker 1: We we really don't think case Keendom can run this 1581 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,960 Speaker 1: offense better than Baker in this current state. I mean, 1582 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,559 Speaker 1: it's it's crazy to bench Baker because I know he's hurt. 1583 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,120 Speaker 1: He moved pretty well last week at points. He had 1584 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,680 Speaker 1: some dimes in that game. And so that's where I 1585 01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,240 Speaker 1: have at struggle with, like, well, he's hurt, so he's 1586 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:59,680 Speaker 1: missing throws, or like the that's not why he's necessarily 1587 01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 1: making bad decisions. Maybe it is. I don't know. Maybe 1588 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,679 Speaker 1: he is to her and that's the reason to bench, 1589 01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:05,880 Speaker 1: but that that would be it. Like he had a 1590 01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,680 Speaker 1: couple of throws in that game that were awesome, he 1591 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,200 Speaker 1: just had about fifteen more that were head scratchers. Like 1592 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,280 Speaker 1: he's leaving the pocket at the first sign of trouble. 1593 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,240 Speaker 1: That goes back to his his rookie year. That's not 1594 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,000 Speaker 1: an injury thing. I I do think that the Patriots 1595 01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,680 Speaker 1: game might have exposed a couple of things too, and 1596 01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,960 Speaker 1: how to attack this defense up the middle. In terms 1597 01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,040 Speaker 1: of the running game that the Lions had some success, 1598 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:30,800 Speaker 1: They're they're letting clown like um Garrett fly by. Clowney's 1599 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:34,120 Speaker 1: turned totally silent. He had six games in a row 1600 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,320 Speaker 1: with at least four pressures. He has three total in 1601 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,000 Speaker 1: the last four, so that's been a big decline. The 1602 01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,679 Speaker 1: Malik's up front, Mcdoalen Jackson are kind of getting pushed around. 1603 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,240 Speaker 1: I I hate this game for the Browns. I was like, 1604 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,920 Speaker 1: I said, I was gonna lock it up Mark, but 1605 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,640 Speaker 1: I just thought that'd be mean spirited. But now you 1606 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,479 Speaker 1: just locked it upside. I was just like, well, I'm 1607 01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,240 Speaker 1: not like I'm not at the point where if you 1608 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,240 Speaker 1: go anti Browns with a take or something else that 1609 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: I can't have disorbit, I get it, but I see 1610 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,439 Speaker 1: I'm done this, you know, I'm I'm I'm so buried 1611 01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,080 Speaker 1: in last place that at this point I just wanted 1612 01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,160 Speaker 1: to like keep you, you know, stay on your good 1613 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:13,200 Speaker 1: side seems more important Lions express if you'd like him 1614 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 1: right well, plus me locking is putting the stink on them, 1615 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,559 Speaker 1: so maybe that's good. I don't even know the final 1616 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:25,559 Speaker 1: games Monday Night football the Seattle Seahawks at Washington Football Team. 1617 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,240 Speaker 1: All right, I mean the Seahawks basically need to We're 1618 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,920 Speaker 1: getting into win out territory if they flex this. They 1619 01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,160 Speaker 1: did flex the Seahawks out of next week next Sunday 1620 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,599 Speaker 1: Nights game. First flex of the year. But yes, that's good. 1621 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,679 Speaker 1: What what got flex then? Not even a particularly great game, 1622 01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,200 Speaker 1: just not the Seahawks Chiefs. Not a great game, but 1623 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,559 Speaker 1: it involves the Chiefs that the Seattle Seahawks travel to 1624 01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:53,960 Speaker 1: FedEx Field. Taylor Heineke coming off a excellent performance in 1625 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,679 Speaker 1: that win over the Panthers, and uh, he's fun to watch. 1626 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,400 Speaker 1: I that might take away watching that game was Heineke 1627 01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,479 Speaker 1: is just like you know, he knows his whole career 1628 01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,120 Speaker 1: he's been you know, look down upon and seeing as 1629 01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,160 Speaker 1: somebody that is not to be taken seriously, and you 1630 01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,240 Speaker 1: see it, and just the way he carries himself, the 1631 01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,639 Speaker 1: way he bounces up when he gets hit, the way 1632 01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: he celebrates a big play. The guy plays as cliche 1633 01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 1: as it sounds, with a chip on his shoulder, and uh, 1634 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,360 Speaker 1: I think the team thrives off that. I think he's 1635 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 1: a really passionate player. I like those type of guys. 1636 01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,400 Speaker 1: Uh so Team Heinek, even if he is ultimately limited 1637 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,200 Speaker 1: in that Ryan Fitzpatrick mold it's not all there physically, 1638 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,240 Speaker 1: but I think he makes up with it, makes for 1639 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,960 Speaker 1: up with it, up for it with the way he 1640 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,000 Speaker 1: carries himself. But that's what I'll be watching the game 1641 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,920 Speaker 1: because there's no passion coming out of the Seahawks operation. No, 1642 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,360 Speaker 1: they're they're incredibly tough on the eyes. Um they're an eyebleader. 1643 01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,160 Speaker 1: But I could not side and agree with you more 1644 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,559 Speaker 1: on Taylor Heineke. You know, we want like we watched 1645 01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,599 Speaker 1: these games during the week and a lot of times 1646 01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,000 Speaker 1: just like sitting on a couch, you know, watching in 1647 01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,080 Speaker 1: silence taking No, it's Taylor Heineke is like the one 1648 01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:03,639 Speaker 1: guy that got me kind of I needed to take 1649 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,639 Speaker 1: a break after the game and get up and walk around. Um, 1650 01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 1: he fired me up. I love his demeanor. I think 1651 01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,120 Speaker 1: that he's also fearless. He made a couple of throws. 1652 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,240 Speaker 1: There was one through dense traffic to Cam Sims, uh 1653 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,280 Speaker 1: touchdown pass that just showed his arm strength. Um, he 1654 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,400 Speaker 1: saw the field really well on a throw to John 1655 01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,559 Speaker 1: Bates where he looked like he was gonna get knocked around. 1656 01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,000 Speaker 1: He's scrambling, he's running as he's gonna take off, and 1657 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,280 Speaker 1: he saw the second third option and it's just like 1658 01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,280 Speaker 1: he's doing things that show growth and progression. And I 1659 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 1: think it's you know, they're in a place to where 1660 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:35,960 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to always bring up Scott Turner, 1661 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,200 Speaker 1: It's not a joke. I think that they found a 1662 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,639 Speaker 1: way to answer drives over and over. They got more 1663 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,759 Speaker 1: from the ground game. Uh, Antonio Gibson outside of the fumble, 1664 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 1: looked good to me. They at this point sounds like 1665 01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,880 Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel might finally play this week part exactly like 1666 01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:52,800 Speaker 1: he he is. He has done a nice job of 1667 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,360 Speaker 1: getting paid a lot of money and not doing a 1668 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,639 Speaker 1: lot for it. But getting him back would be great. 1669 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,599 Speaker 1: This team is on the rise. I understand like that. 1670 01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:01,559 Speaker 1: You know they think they can start every season two 1671 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,559 Speaker 1: and six. Well, it's working, and I want DeAndre Carter. 1672 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,240 Speaker 1: One last guy I wanted to mention. I looked up 1673 01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,360 Speaker 1: because he looks so small to me. He is my height. 1674 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,400 Speaker 1: He has five eight and weighs forty five more pounds 1675 01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,680 Speaker 1: in me, and that is not fatty tissue. So I 1676 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:19,679 Speaker 1: that tells you how these football players are built breaking. 1677 01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,559 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, such a little jitterbug. And I was like, 1678 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,479 Speaker 1: how tall is that guy? And it was like super 1679 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,360 Speaker 1: excited that he was my height? But did he have 1680 01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:30,759 Speaker 1: a baby head? No, he did not know. It is crazy. 1681 01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,519 Speaker 1: I mean I remember interviewing m J D when he 1682 01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,880 Speaker 1: was like a Pro Bowl running back and he's he's 1683 01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:40,120 Speaker 1: five six or seven and he's like two fifteen and 1684 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,040 Speaker 1: and that that was like his legs were bigger than 1685 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,280 Speaker 1: in my entire body. It's wild. This is this is 1686 01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,360 Speaker 1: the low moment of the Pete Carroll era by far 1687 01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:54,519 Speaker 1: that almost goes without saying their their defense, Uh, just 1688 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,639 Speaker 1: has so many guys you can pick on in coverage. 1689 01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:01,519 Speaker 1: Wagner is getting picked on sometimes two even Brooks certainly 1690 01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:05,080 Speaker 1: at your boy Adams with a huge penalty last week, Dan, 1691 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: like he you know, they have they play this old 1692 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,479 Speaker 1: school defense where they keep the linebackers on the field 1693 01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,479 Speaker 1: and they kind of have a strong safety that you know, 1694 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,720 Speaker 1: it's not great in coverage and it's like you can 1695 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,679 Speaker 1: find mismatches and yet I don't know, there's something about 1696 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,760 Speaker 1: I can't imagine them going three and eight and I 1697 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I was not in on them last week 1698 01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,639 Speaker 1: bouncing back, but this, like losing this game with everyone 1699 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,360 Speaker 1: watching and Russell Wilson going to three and a it's 1700 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,000 Speaker 1: like a bridge too far for me. Yeah, you know, 1701 01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,920 Speaker 1: this is not dancing on the Jamal adams grave situation, 1702 01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:39,880 Speaker 1: but it is. It is a bit of a cautionary 1703 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,759 Speaker 1: tale that because Seattle is in such a tough spot 1704 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,240 Speaker 1: and obviously the Jets have only gotten worse since he left. 1705 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,320 Speaker 1: But you know when you kind of say, I can't 1706 01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:50,000 Speaker 1: take the losing. I gotta get out of here. I 1707 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:51,800 Speaker 1: don't want to be part of this operation. I want 1708 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,320 Speaker 1: to go play for a winner. Well that doesn't always 1709 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,479 Speaker 1: work out. I mean, we'll see if Jamal Adams is 1710 01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,879 Speaker 1: playing for a winner now. He just signed a huge contract. 1711 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,680 Speaker 1: I think ultimately that's what it was all about. He 1712 01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,599 Speaker 1: wanted to get he wanted to maximize his potential as 1713 01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,120 Speaker 1: earning potential, and you can't sagren him for that. But 1714 01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,120 Speaker 1: the other part of it was I'm sick of losing. 1715 01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:09,439 Speaker 1: Get me out of here. I want to go to 1716 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,640 Speaker 1: a proven winner. I don't know what Seattle looks like 1717 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,559 Speaker 1: over the next five years, especially given the quarterback situation. 1718 01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,439 Speaker 1: But that was also a we're one player away self 1719 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:22,160 Speaker 1: evaluation of the roster um, a very expensive move, and 1720 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:26,000 Speaker 1: they are about twelve players fifteen players away, because that 1721 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,439 Speaker 1: was the whole the whole hook of that trade was 1722 01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,960 Speaker 1: exactly that that we are a very good team. We 1723 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,679 Speaker 1: are a playoff team, but we are one big time 1724 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,599 Speaker 1: defender away from being a super Bowl team. And they 1725 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,759 Speaker 1: have just went down since then. It's not adams fault, 1726 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:44,200 Speaker 1: per se, but it is notable that they kind of 1727 01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,479 Speaker 1: misread the whole situation and put themselves put themselves in 1728 01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:52,800 Speaker 1: a very difficult situation. Going symbolizes it. It's after all 1729 01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,080 Speaker 1: that happen. I did think Russ looked better in that game. 1730 01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:57,840 Speaker 1: They put him in such tough spots. I just it's 1731 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,200 Speaker 1: still funny to me in year thirteen or what. Every 1732 01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,599 Speaker 1: reason that like they refused to throw it when it's 1733 01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,559 Speaker 1: third and twenty or third and fifteen. It's just like, 1734 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,679 Speaker 1: let him let him throw. So boring, they're so boring. 1735 01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:12,040 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf did not come down with a couple contested 1736 01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,920 Speaker 1: catches that were pretty well placed that could have helped 1737 01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,320 Speaker 1: out of us. I think I think he'll come around, 1738 01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,240 Speaker 1: is what I'm saying with Russell Wilson. I don't think 1739 01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,519 Speaker 1: he's gonna be suddenly terrible. If I had to pick 1740 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,559 Speaker 1: one wide receiver on the field in this game to 1741 01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,280 Speaker 1: start a team with, it would be your boy, Terry 1742 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:33,000 Speaker 1: McLarin It, no doubt not Metcalf. He is excellent. All Right, 1743 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,640 Speaker 1: there you go, Week twelve. That's the preview show. We 1744 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,040 Speaker 1: hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving if you celebrate it. Uh, 1745 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:46,080 Speaker 1: and we'll be back on Sunday night when we recap 1746 01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,639 Speaker 1: all these games. Well that's actually not true. Thursday night, 1747 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,920 Speaker 1: we will have our recap of the three Thanksgiving games, 1748 01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:56,240 Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out, and then Sunday 1749 01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:04,639 Speaker 1: we will complete the recaps with our flagship show. Alright, boys, 1750 01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,800 Speaker 1: thankful for you. You know, we got our TV show 1751 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,560 Speaker 1: too on on Saturday on NFL. We're not going to 1752 01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:18,080 Speaker 1: do that that week right weekend? Tune in you DVR it. Um. 1753 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,799 Speaker 1: It's on early in the morning on the East Coast 1754 01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 1: late night. I know, I know some people that watch 1755 01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:28,920 Speaker 1: it on the Saturday night. I don't think I'm gonna go. Okay, okay, 1756 01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,000 Speaker 1: so are you okay, You're just not gonna show up 1757 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,360 Speaker 1: at all? But that just be Greg and I have 1758 01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:34,160 Speaker 1: to do a lot more though. Yeah. I think I'm 1759 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,640 Speaker 1: just gonna enjoy the holiday weekend like everybody else, like 1760 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:42,759 Speaker 1: you know, so good luck, guys. And I'm totally bailing 1761 01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,720 Speaker 1: if you're not, Like, there's no way I'm going. If 1762 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:48,120 Speaker 1: you're not going, Greg, it is your show. It's got me. 1763 01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:52,679 Speaker 1: Ricky and the Grave Digger. Actually, Ricky are you yeah? 1764 01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,240 Speaker 1: You available you around Friday Friday? Yeah, I'm here, Yeah, okay, 1765 01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,000 Speaker 1: all right. I would never miss something in football seats 1766 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:05,839 Speaker 1: and have heard all right? Good again, Happy Thanksgiving everybody. 1767 01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,720 Speaker 1: Uh Dan had to starting off a quiet storm the 1768 01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:12,960 Speaker 1: old Boss Ronicky Hollywood behind the Virtual Glass sun Still 1769 01:29:13,640 --> 01:30:10,479 Speaker 1: Thursday night, He's the call eight