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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little known fascinating

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Speaker 1: facts about your favorite music, movies, TV shows, and more.

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Speaker 1: We're two guys with too much free time on our hands.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jordan run Tog and I'm alexael. I

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Speaker 1: love your intros for yourself. Have like a tenth of

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Speaker 1: my caffeine level. It's like my co host Alex Heigel's

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Speaker 1: joining us from the waiting room of H and R Block.

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Speaker 1: That's our dynamic buddy. Get used to it. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: and I love it. I love it. Uh. And speaking

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Speaker 1: of great buddy buddy dynamics here, that brings us to

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Speaker 1: our topic for today. We're gonna talk about Oceans eleven,

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Speaker 1: Steven Soderbergh's remake of the nineteen sixty crime Caper, which

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Speaker 1: turned twenty years old in December one. That is crazy

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Speaker 1: the passage of time. I know, it's got to be

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Speaker 1: one of the most beloved movies of the last few decades.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not like this movie. Everyone

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Speaker 1: this is like the sting for our generation, the great

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Speaker 1: I think for better for Worse made George Clooney and

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Speaker 1: and what are you gonna say? I mean, Steven Soderberg's

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Speaker 1: retro touch has made this an instant classic that inspired

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Speaker 1: god knows how many people to pursue a lucrative life

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Speaker 1: of crime. Really you think about it, what do you

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Speaker 1: think about this movie? Ah, there are so few perfect films.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: is like I wouldn't put this as like an art film,

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Speaker 1: but it's such a delight, you know. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: It's one of those things that like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: just like, no notes. You know, It's just such a fun,

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a bad thing. It's weird that you

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Speaker 1: that about Cluney and Pitt. Cluney is one of those

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Speaker 1: for you. There are reasons I'm doing I'm doing finger

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reds in like that tracks. I mean, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: against it, but it's it's too likable to count that

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Speaker 1: other side of the argument for doing this episode. I

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Speaker 1: read a bunch of negative reviews from when it first

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Speaker 1: of heist movies. They do a rip on Oceans. But

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Speaker 1: you didn't know about Oceans eleven. It's interesting that Steven

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Speaker 1: Soderberg chose to make this movie because he was just

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Speaker 1: So he sets his sights on remaking this nineties sixty

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Speaker 1: and and that scans it's it's not a great movie.

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Speaker 1: But all those kind of slagging off the original movie

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Speaker 1: There will only ever be one rat Pack. It's a joke.

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Speaker 1: Como Pleasure Dome or whatever it is. Uh anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 1: He apparently bought her a Vietnamese pot belly pig Max. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, is with Casey Affleck Virgil one of the

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Speaker 1: Gearhead brothers. I think it was Virgil. Uh, they were

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Speaker 1: together in Good Will Hunting. You know, obviously Ben Atflex brother.

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Speaker 1: But Matt Damo's movie debut was A Mystic Pizza with

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Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, and he's in it. He's like a kid

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Speaker 1: in it. He's probably like he's got to be like

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Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen. He's the little brother of the rich guy

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Speaker 1: that Julia Roberts character is dating, and they have a

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Speaker 1: scene together. Which is like this awkward family dinner and

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Speaker 1: speaking of connections between cast members, and yet we're working

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Speaker 1: towards a unified theory of the Oceans eleven cinematic universe.

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Speaker 1: There are four actors and actresses from this movie who

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Speaker 1: appeared in Friends Clooney, Pitt Roberts all are in special

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Speaker 1: guest episodes. But what's more interesting to me is that

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Speaker 1: Elliott Gould is Monica and Ross Keller's father who does

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Speaker 1: appear throughout the series, which I choose to believe he

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Speaker 1: went into hiding in New York City. His character from

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Speaker 1: Oceans eleven went into hiding in New York City. Um.

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Speaker 1: And there's Godfather connections to which you know, we love

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Speaker 1: a Godfather connection. Oh, I love this so much. Are

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Speaker 1: Virgil and Turk Malloy are named after the god Father

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Speaker 1: character Virgil the Turk Salazzo. And of course Scott Kahn,

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Speaker 1: who plays one of them, is the son of James Kahn,

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Speaker 1: who plays Sonny in the Godfather. And Andy Garcia is

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Speaker 1: in Godfather Part three, which we don't talk about. UM.

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Speaker 1: And Carl's son Rob Reiner famed Spinal Tap director Rob

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Speaker 1: Briner directed James Kahn and Misery which we rewatched recently.

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Speaker 1: Missery holds up great film um. And then, of course

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Speaker 1: there's also the Network Television clearing House. George Clooney was

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Speaker 1: obviously an e er for five seasons of that show.

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Speaker 1: Don Cheatle guest stars in the ninth season as a

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Speaker 1: surgical student named Nathan uh Carl Reiner. While we're on

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Speaker 1: the Rhiners, Carl Reiner snagged this roll five days before

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Speaker 1: the shooting for this movie started. Alan Arkin was originally

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Speaker 1: cast in the role of Saul Bloom but dropped out

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Speaker 1: due to personal reasons and then I wish this had

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Speaker 1: gone through Rickles Don Rickles was an early choice to

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Speaker 1: play that character, which would have been high. Lauria U

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Speaker 1: and Uhberg one of the actors to hang out on

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Speaker 1: the set to kind of get that group chemistry vibe going,

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Speaker 1: which worked, and they would just apparently the the cast

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Speaker 1: would just gravitate towards Carl Reiner when they weren't filing,

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Speaker 1: to just when they weren't filming, to listen to all

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Speaker 1: of his stories. It was like gather no Grandpa, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, yeah. And the scene at his house is

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Speaker 1: apparently one of the first scenes that the entire cast

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Speaker 1: is together and it has one of Ruben's house. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Rubben's house. One of my favorite lines from this film,

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Speaker 1: which is Elliot Gold walks up to Matt Damn when

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Speaker 1: he's like, Um, you're so and so skid, aren't you.

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Speaker 1: You're having a good time. That's wonderful getting the house

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Speaker 1: so funny. We're going to take a quick break, but

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more too much information in

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Speaker 1: just a moment. Unsurprisingly for a film based in Vegas,

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Speaker 1: the cast got a to some some extracurricular activities. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: why don't you why don't you run that down for us? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean shooting in Vegas was kind of one of

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Speaker 1: the scariest parts of doing this whole project for Soderbergh,

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Speaker 1: because casinos really don't like you filming there, and they

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Speaker 1: usually really only let you do it in like just

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Speaker 1: ungodly late hours, like between I think midnight and six

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Speaker 1: am during the week is when they let you shoot,

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Speaker 1: which is a pretty tough time to shoot around. But

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Speaker 1: apparently the Bellagio was more than happy to uh, to

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Speaker 1: let them more or less take over. I think they

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Speaker 1: read something like they were using like at any given time,

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Speaker 1: like thirty of the casino floor. They closed down the

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Speaker 1: valet parking like even like the high casino rollers had

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Speaker 1: to go use the parking garage, which I guess is

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Speaker 1: Vegas is like on the heard Heard of. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and it makes sense because the movie is basically a

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Speaker 1: two hour commercial for Las Vegas in general, but the

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Speaker 1: Blaggio in particular. They even choreographed, you know, the famous

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Speaker 1: dancing fountains out front that are you know that's in

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Speaker 1: the big finale scene in the movie. They choreographed a

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Speaker 1: special piece of music for the film with those fountains,

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Speaker 1: So the Blagio really worked with them and um, in

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Speaker 1: addition to kind of having a basically one giant ad

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Speaker 1: for the hotel, they made a decent amount of money

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Speaker 1: off the cast. At the blackjack table. Apparently George Clooney

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Speaker 1: lost twenty five straight hands of black jack at the

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Speaker 1: at the table, so that's not good. That's good. Um,

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Speaker 1: but he threw it, But he says, George Clooney has

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Speaker 1: this weird competitive streak. I remember reading on Batman Forever.

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Speaker 1: He and Chris O'Donnell apparently like would get into really

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Speaker 1: competitive games of basketball while filming. I guess anyway, George

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Speaker 1: Clooney says, Matt Dame is the best, the best, uh gambler.

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Speaker 1: I could see that. Didn't Damon do like some kind

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Speaker 1: of counting cards movie? Oh? Good question? Did you do

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Speaker 1: twenty one or something like that? Rounders rounders, yes, yes, yes, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Talking about famous movie accents, Malkovich's Russian in that movie

512
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Speaker 1: famously awful. I splithed the balldle in my club when

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Speaker 1: they want my favorite bad accent when I worked at VH,

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Speaker 1: when I did a whole article in Leonardo DiCaprio's just

515
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Speaker 1: completely bonkers accents in various movies. My all time favorite

516
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Speaker 1: bad accent. Blood. Yeah, we're gonna get your family back.

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Speaker 1: Helicopter up, you can, helicopter go boom bing bang down

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Speaker 1: here at bang bang. That's that's the best. Come on,

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Speaker 1: come on, Leo. But the Blagio very big Hotel, Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: there we go. Yeah, it's nuts how much the Blagio

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Speaker 1: Hotel management played ball with this production. They even let

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Speaker 1: them use security system footage, Like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: security camp footage in the movie was real from the

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Speaker 1: casino floor, which seems crazy to me. I guess, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I guess it's not really that too much

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Speaker 1: of a security breach that you can get from just

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Speaker 1: like seeing hallways and stuff. But that just seems nuts

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Speaker 1: to me. The only thing that was kind of a

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Speaker 1: major letdown for Soderbergh was he he asked to film

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Speaker 1: in the Casino vault and they were basically like, there

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Speaker 1: is no casino vault. That's not that's that's something that

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Speaker 1: happens in the movies. And Soderberg said, it was like

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Speaker 1: in Pewee's Big Adventure when he goes to the Alamo

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Speaker 1: and asked to see the basement, and I love that

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Speaker 1: formed that there's no basement at the Alamo. So they

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Speaker 1: built their own. But they built their own vault on

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Speaker 1: a sound stage, and you'll notice it's really just thinking

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Speaker 1: because there are lights on the floor, and it kind

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Speaker 1: of creates this whole weird like retrofuturist look thing going.

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Speaker 1: And that was basically the result of an accident. Soderberg

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Speaker 1: have looked at the concept design and he had the

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Speaker 1: piece of paper upside down so that the lights that

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Speaker 1: were supposed to be on the ceiling were on the floor.

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Speaker 1: And by the time he realized that he was mistaken,

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Speaker 1: he had just fallen in love with that look, so

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Speaker 1: the set designers built it upside down. That's why there

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Speaker 1: are lights on bum bum bum bum bum bump bum

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Speaker 1: I wish we at the curb theme on on soundboard. Um.

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Speaker 1: They filmed the great deal of the movie on location

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Speaker 1: in Las Vegas and at the Blagio, but they created

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Speaker 1: replica versions of the suites on a sound stage, and

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Speaker 1: they were apparently so close to the real rooms that

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Speaker 1: the cast and crew had been staying in that there

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Speaker 1: are often cases of like people on the set reaching

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Speaker 1: for like the room service menu that was in there,

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Speaker 1: and like going through it as if they were going

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Speaker 1: to call down and order something to eat, and then

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Speaker 1: they realized that they're actually on a sound stage in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of miles away. It's like in Doctor Strange Love

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Speaker 1: when um Kubrick made the inside of that the bomber

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Speaker 1: so accurate that the Air Force after the fact was like,

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Speaker 1: do we have a mole meet the design for that?

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Speaker 1: They really they thought it was like a security breach. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of food, can't talk about oceans and Brad Pitt

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Speaker 1: without talking about Brad Pitt's heroic eating habit, which is

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Speaker 1: just passed into the stuff of like Hollywood legend at

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Speaker 1: this point. Um in nearly every scene that Rusty is in,

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Speaker 1: he's eating something, and Pitt has sort of reverse engineered

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Speaker 1: this as an artistic choice because he said that this, yeah, amen,

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Speaker 1: he said this character was so busy that they'd rarely

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Speaker 1: be able to eat. So he was like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: they would just he would just be snacking all the time.

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Speaker 1: But it plays off at the end of the film

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Speaker 1: because Rusty is like eating like a big greasy burger

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Speaker 1: and he gets heartburning, like you see him like pound

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Speaker 1: his chest and burp and then tosses the burger. And

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Speaker 1: I just remember this in like Fight Club where they talk.

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Speaker 1: I think Edward Norton is like he said something about

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Speaker 1: like Brad Pitt's eating ability is heroic and on that

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Speaker 1: film particularly, like you know, he has like no fat

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Speaker 1: on his body throughout that film, and Edward Norton's like

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Speaker 1: I was sitting there starving myself and working out constantly,

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Speaker 1: and Brad Pitt was just posted up at the craft

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Speaker 1: service table just eating the whole film and not gaining

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Speaker 1: a single pound, infuriating when did the whole Brad Pitt

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Speaker 1: is always eating in movies things, so was it Oceans

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Speaker 1: leven was the beginning of that or I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I you know, the Theo's Pulitzer candidates at Rancor have

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Speaker 1: assembled a list of all over the eating choices that

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Speaker 1: he's made in his films. I think I remember coming

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Speaker 1: up in Moneyball, like he's just always eating in Moneyball,

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Speaker 1: like French fries. But somebody had said that assassination of

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Speaker 1: Jesse James. He's like horking food down just almost every

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Speaker 1: film apparently. But the real record in this is in

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Speaker 1: that scene when they're watching Rusty and Linus or Julia

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Speaker 1: Roberts first appearance, right when she comes down the stairs,

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Speaker 1: Rusty is eating a shrimp cocktail, and throughout the course

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Speaker 1: of this filming he ate forty shrimp, which is a

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Speaker 1: lot of shrimp, just for that one scene in the ones,

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Speaker 1: So in one afternoon he ate forty shrimp. I was

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Speaker 1: just reading another another bit. I guess John Cena in

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Speaker 1: Suicide Squad, his character eats an empanada and he made

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Speaker 1: the choice to just eat it in one take, in

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Speaker 1: like one like literally cramming entire and but not into

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Speaker 1: his mouth, and they shot it like thirty times. So

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Speaker 1: he ate something like thirty empanadas while filming that um,

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Speaker 1: which is again just another cool hand looke callback of

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Speaker 1: George Kennedy being like, nobody can eat fifty eggs. My

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Speaker 1: boy says he could eat fifty eggs. He could eat

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Speaker 1: fifty eggs. Brad Pitt could eat forty shrimp. That's gotta

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Speaker 1: be like six pounds. Man's gut can't hold that. And

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Speaker 1: now time to my favorite segment of too much information

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Speaker 1: that longtime listeners of the show will recognize. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to bring you down to a place I like to

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Speaker 1: call the Julie Roberts Corner, the Julie Roberts foot fetish Corner. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I it's strange that this is one episode four

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Speaker 1: and we've already had to Julie Roberts feet sections. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry that this is not you know who's not sorry

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Speaker 1: about that? As Quentin Tarantino, he's at home listening to this,

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Speaker 1: rubbing his hands together. Julia Roberts filmed all of her

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Speaker 1: scenes for this film in just two weeks, which is

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Speaker 1: she's not in it that much. She doesn't pop in

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Speaker 1: until forty five minutes into the movie, which Soderberg says

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Speaker 1: was an artistic choice. Because there is so many there's

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Speaker 1: so many character introductions having happening. I guess he was

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Speaker 1: concerned that people and this is pre social media, so

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Speaker 1: our attention spans were stronger back then, but he did

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Speaker 1: not have faith in the viewers that they'd be able

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Speaker 1: to keep all of these people, keep track of all

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Speaker 1: these characters. And it's funny. Is a lot it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a big you know, so much going on. But

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Speaker 1: apparently in that scene when she's descending the staircase, she's barefoot,

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Speaker 1: which would have been you know, it makes sense, it

634
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Speaker 1: would have been hard to walk down a spiral staircase

635
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: and high heels. And apparently twenty million a picture will

636
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: buy you the right to film all of your scenes barefoot,

637
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: because she was just she's when any scene when she's

638
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: filmed from the waist up, she is barefoot. She was

639
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: also barefoot throughout her entire role on the filming of Hook,

640
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: and during that she had a dedicated foot attendant on

641
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: hand to give her foot rubs, um the foot rubs

642
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: or just just like exfoliant or I don't know, whatever

643
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: it is that you do to keep your feet looking good. Yeah,

644
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also don't know. My feet hurt

645
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: all the time. The funny the funny thing about that

646
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: is is is it Carl Reiner or Elliot could who says,

647
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: like when they're talking about Terry Benedict and she says, oh,

648
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: test is too he's too to offer, She's too tall

649
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: for him. She's five nine. Andy Garcia has five ten,

650
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Make of that what you will.

651
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm five ten. Does that mean that I'm not tall enough? Today?

652
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the multiverse, I am dating Julia Roberts and

653
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: I am only five ten, So I I still believe

654
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: Jordan's all right, let's get into this, this prank round up.

655
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: You can't talk about this, You can't talk about any

656
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: George Clooney film without getting into all of his rakish pranks.

657
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: So let's do this. Yeah. We said earlier that Julia

658
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: Roberts was only in a set for about two weeks,

659
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: which really is probably for the best, because it seems

660
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: like Clooney and Brad uh and their compulsive pranking made

661
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: her life a bit of a living hell. Sometimes they

662
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: left five am wake up calls for her when she

663
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: didn't need to be on set until like noon. She

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Speaker 1: even claimed that she was afraid to go into a

665
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: room at night for fear of booby traps or some

666
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: kind of prank. Uh. And you know, obviously she pointed

667
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: to Clooney as being the ringleader, in the instigator of

668
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff, although she was very diplomatic doing interviews

669
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Speaker 1: for this and saying that she bore no ill will

670
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: towards anybody. This isn't really a prank. But in the

671
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: credits for the movie, they credit Julie Roberts with the

672
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: words and introducing, which is a production joke because they

673
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: really only do the you know, introducing thing for someone's

674
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: first ever on screen role or their first big role.

675
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: And by the time Ocean's Eleven came out, Julie Roberts

676
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: had been a star for a decade and was, like

677
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: we said, the highest paid actress in history and already

678
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: an Oscar winner. So that was just then being cheeky, uh,

679
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: disrespectful if you want to view it a different way.

680
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: She got her She got hers though. Yeah. So the

681
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: whole prank thing really escalated during the sequels of this movie.

682
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: And I guess when they got to the hotel they

683
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: were staying out in Rome for Oceans twelve, she like

684
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: lugged her suitcase to her room, which is kind of

685
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: endearing that she carries her own suitcase at that stage

686
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: like that. But it was like it was super super

687
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: for heavy, and her shoulder killed And by the time

688
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: she got the room, she opened it up and it

689
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: had been stuffed with like lead weights and dumbbells and

690
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: like a bronze statue. And she said she almost burst

691
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: into tears. And apparently Cluney misfired he was intending to

692
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: do that to brad Pitt and got the suitcases mixed up.

693
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, Julie Roberts got her revenge on Clooney. She

694
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Speaker 1: didn't go into specific details, but she mentioned that it

695
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: involved itching powder and neosporin, which which sounds vindictive. Yeah

696
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: that's better less, yeah, but yeah, as you may have imagined,

697
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: the real prank war was played out between Cluney and

698
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: brad Pitt, probably fueled by the keg of guinness that

699
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Clooney had installed in his dressing room, and some of

700
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: this whole you know, competitive spirit made it into the film,

701
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, the sort of the verbal sparring when Clooney

702
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: gets out of prison at the end, you know, he's

703
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: in his tucks and Brad Pitt says, I hope you

704
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: were with the grill. Cluney fires back. Ted Nugent called

705
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: he wants his shirt back? That was was improvised? Is

706
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: that ground zero for that joke? What was the construction

707
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: of of the so and so called they want there

708
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: such and such back? Oh, it has to predate that.

709
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: That's like that. I could. I think there's been scenes

710
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: of like David Spade doing his Hollywood Minute thing on

711
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: SNL where he was talking about that stuff. I could.

712
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: I bet you that's like a lot older than this,

713
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: but but still well played. Yeah, oh, here you go.

714
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, in a ranking of the best Saturday Night

715
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Live cast members credited David Spade with that joke format. Wow.

716
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he actually created that. I just remember

717
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: him doing it. Wow. Good for Spade. It wasn't he

718
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: the source of the Eddie Murphy feud on SNL? Yeah?

719
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: He uh, he murdered He murdered him live on air.

720
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: He murdered Eddie Murphy savagely. I think it was. I

721
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: remember this exact joke. It was either after Boomerang or

722
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: Vampire in Brooklyn, like two legendary bombs right after one,

723
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: right after the other, if I remember it correctly, but

724
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: they just he just put up a picture of Eddie

725
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 1: Murphy and said, look, kids, a falling star, which ouch,

726
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and yeah, Eddie Murphy took that to heart and did

727
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: not come back to that show for years untill the

728
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: anniversary whatever one was a couple of years ago. Forty. Yeah, anyway,

729
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: this is maybe my favorite prank. Brad Pitt had recently

730
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: bought a Prius when they were filming Oceans eleven and yeah,

731
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: and Clooney had bought a bumper sticker in the shape

732
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: of a of a weed plant that said f Cops

733
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: and he put it on the back of his car

734
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: and he and Cluney said, and I think he gave

735
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Speaker 1: an interview to Vanity Affair and he was like, yeah,

736
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: no way, You're not getting arrested with that. But Brad

737
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: Pitt can still dish it back, though really nowhere near

738
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: as good as Clooney. He once convinced Italian shopkeepers when

739
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: they were filming Oceans twelve that George Clooney insisted on

740
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: being known as Danny Ocean, and um, that's really it, actually,

741
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: I think about it. That's really it's a pretty damn,

742
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: Because again I was saying earlier Clooney sent Meryl So

743
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: I guess it was Brad did a movie with Meryl Streep,

744
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: or maybe it was just unprompted, But George Clooney sent

745
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep a DVD of Like from a Dialect Coach

746
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: and signed it as a from Brad Pitt. And he

747
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: also sent Tom Cruise and other celebrities pitch letters for

748
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: like various bad projects and also signed Brad Pitt's name. Oh,

749
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: this is so funny. Do you know what the text

750
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: of the letter actually was like the pitch letters? Yeah,

751
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: according to I mean I this is according to Pop Sugar,

752
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: apparently he stole stationary from Brad Pitt at one point,

753
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: with either his production company credit or just from the

754
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: desk of Brad Pitt, which because probably funnier with it

755
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: with a little like al Hirshfeld like face on it. Yeah. So, uh,

756
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: George Clooney sends Meryl Streep this letter on Brad Pitt

757
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: stationary because she was going to be doing The Iron Lady,

758
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: and this is and and and this is after Brad

759
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: Pitt did Troy. So it says the note Iron Lady

760
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: was was market that was the market arket pracer and

761
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: and and I guess Brad Pitt's doing like a pseudo

762
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: British Greek by way of Greece accent like sword and

763
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: sandals accent from in Troy. And this letter read, I

764
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: hear you're going to be doing the Iron Lady soon.

765
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: This guy helped me with my dialect in Troy, so

766
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: I thought this would help. That's so good, But Cordon

767
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: Co cluding, at least the best is yet to come.

768
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: He's said that, Uh, he gave an interview whe he

769
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: said that I'm working on a prank that will end

770
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: Brad's career. If you take the time, you're willing to

771
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: sit on this one for a couple of years and

772
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: just plant the seed. There's no rush. He's going to

773
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: frame him for killing the queen. Oh. As you meditate

774
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: on that, we'll be right back with more too much

775
00:41:50,440 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: information after these messages. All right, we're moving out of

776
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: the world of the No. I don't have a segue

777
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: for this talk about out of the prank and into

778
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: the pinch. We're going into the the science part of

779
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: Oceans eleven. Steven Soderberg really wanted all the devices in

780
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: this movie to be based on things that were possible,

781
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: and that's sort of the case with the pinch, the

782
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: phenomenon that knocks out all the lights on the strip,

783
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: and the mechanism that Don Cheeto's character uses to knock

784
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: out Las Vegas power is based on a device called

785
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: the Z pinch, which creates a burst of energy I

786
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: think it's X rays by using a magnetic field that

787
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: pinches a column of charged gas particles. And the production

788
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: designer guy in the name of film Messina later said

789
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: that they contacted scientists on the Internet and started talking

790
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: to people in all these really high end scientist forums

791
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: and posed all these design questions and they actually even

792
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: visited a lab in northern California that had a real

793
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: Z pinch and they brought back photographs and diagrams. This

794
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: feels like the setup to so like another heist movie is, Oh, yeah,

795
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: we're making a movie where we're used this like really

796
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: destructive energy force. Can you tell us how you do that? So?

797
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: Can you give us a lot of pictures of this

798
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: device please? Like? But um, apparently that's what they did.

799
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: They got what they needed and they designed a somewhat

800
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: reasonable facts simile of this real life device. But It's

801
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: strays from reality in a number of ways. One, the

802
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: z pinch is much too big to fit in the

803
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: back of a van, you know, like Basher had it

804
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: um and you need a lot more power than a

805
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: couple of car batteries, which is what Basher had. And

806
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: even with the power source from an actual Z pinch,

807
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: it's not enough to lock out all of the lights

808
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: in town. I mean, it's basically barely enough to knock

809
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: out power from an electronic device from across the room.

810
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: The only thing capable of knocking out a city's power

811
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: is a real nuclear explosion. It's not the plot of

812
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: Golden Eye. He wants to use in the MP to

813
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: like knock out the world's credit ratings and like bring

814
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: everyone back to zero or something. It sounds like a

815
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: very low risk bonds. Uh, well, it's it's also the

816
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: plot of That's it, you know, taking it back to

817
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt's Torso and fight Club. That's what he doesn't

818
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: fight club, right, he bombs the credit card people. Speaking

819
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: of explosions. I can't tell if these transitions are endearing

820
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: or annoying, so we'll find out at US. Yeah, was

821
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: what was the hashtag we used? Earlier. Um, it doesn't matter,

822
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: let's cooin a new one using the hashtag introducing Julia

823
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: Roberts um famously, you will remember that they watched this

824
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: demolition of the of a hotel in Vegas being blown up.

825
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: Imploded hotel. Yeah, that's why he hits. Uh. So they

826
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: had a hotel called the New York New York Hotel

827
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: and Casino being blown up. But this was it felt

828
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: to be in poor taste in the aftermath of the

829
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: nine eleven attacks, and also the image just being a

830
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: little too a little too close to close to the bone.

831
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: And the hotel looks like the New York Skyline. There's

832
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of very famous buildings there. So yeah, bad,

833
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: bad look and released uh something like three months after

834
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Speaker 1: nine even Uh not good. So they just went c G.

835
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: I had a new backdrop in with the fictional hotel

836
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: called the Zanna Do, which I'm sure has some kind

837
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: of references a significant call back to that famous film.

838
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, I guess if you're like this kind of guy,

839
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: you can go and watch the pre nine eleven version

840
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: of that sequence on the DVD and blu ray. Seems weird,

841
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: But if you're a building demolition completest, go nuts. It's

842
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: out there um in happier news. Probably my favorite sequence

843
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: of this film was actually improvised. It's the post heist sequence,

844
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: my introduction to debuc Um. That beautiful scene at the

845
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Bellaggio fountains set to Claire to Loon, and it was

846
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: going to be kind of like a Usual Suspects sort

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00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: of thing where they're just like doing a walk down

848
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Speaker 1: the street and they kind peel off. I think that's

849
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,919
Speaker 1: how the original one ended, if I remember. I think

850
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Speaker 1: that was how it was, just on the sidewalk and

851
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: they each kind of went on, Yeah, I think, And

852
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Soderberg says he couldn't figure out how to stage it,

853
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: so he went and went for a walk by the

854
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: Bellaggio fountain to clear his head, and there and then

855
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: the scene came for him, and he just told the

856
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: guys to just line up however they wanted and leave

857
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: when they wanted, and that's that's how they did it.

858
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: I just love that scene. It's so it's so it's

859
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: great evocative, and Carl Reiner's face, he pull off one

860
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: last big con he didn't think he added in him,

861
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: but he oh that, I mean, that was great. His

862
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: character arc and that in the beginning, thinking that he

863
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, he checked out, he's retired, he's done. The

864
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: son of a bitch, I'm in Yeah, rising to the occasion.

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Speaker 1: This is actually making me like Soderbergh Moore, at least personally.

866
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: There's so many little easter eggs to like the film,

867
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: the history of film and this. You know. The code

868
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: that Damon punches into is eight, which is a tribute

869
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: to George Lucas is first film th X on one

870
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: three eight, which at this point is probably more famous

871
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: for the sound system named after it than for being

872
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: like an actual film that was named after that movie

873
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: X Yeah. I didn't know that. Wow, Yeah, Lucas founded it.

874
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: The wig Brad Pitt wears when he's in disguise is

875
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: apparently the same wig used by Mike Myers during rehearsals

876
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: for Austin Powers. I. The one thing that this film

877
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: stretches my belief for is that late nineties, early two

878
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: thousands Brad Pitt is just wandering around this hotel and

879
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: no one spots him. I mean, light bends around that

880
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: man's jawline and people are just like, oh that guy.

881
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: He just fades into the background. Anyway, uh, Soderberg does

882
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: the classic Hitchcock cameo. You know, he's one of the

883
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: thieves who bombed the vault. Um, so he is in there.

884
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't know which one he is. This is a

885
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: weird thing that you brought up here. I don't understand why.

886
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you about it. In the no

887
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: cameras in this room scene, Cluney's lines were written on

888
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: ends stomachs. Yeah, it's the scene where he's basically being

889
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: roughed up by the I think his name is like

890
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: Punishers or something, Bruiser, Yes, that's right. Yeah, I guess.

891
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if the scene was written in the

892
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: last minute and he didn't have time to learn his

893
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: lines and what, but apparently his lines were written on

894
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, well, just like was there there's a paucity

895
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: of Q cards going around Vegas at the time that

896
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: you didn't have a dry erase board on hand. I mean,

897
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: the only thing I do know about this scene in

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00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: a little more detail is that I guess, just as

899
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: a joke, the moment when Bruiser, who's this like nine

900
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: ft tall giant mountain of a man, walks him, was

901
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 1: supposed to walk in they got the smallest stage hand

902
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: on set, just like five ft one guy to come

903
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: walk through the door, and everybody laughed and they reashot

904
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: the scene. A good time was had by all, A

905
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: good times had by all. I don't know why Clooney's

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00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: lines are written on men's stomachs. Um, we could potentially

907
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: cut this, but we won't. Okay. So this line that

908
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: Andy Garcia says, if you should be picked up buying

909
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar sports car in Newport Beach, I'm

910
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: going to be supremely disappointment. That is an inside baseball

911
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 1: reference to the kidnapping of casino casino Magnate, a Vegas,

912
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Vegas big wheel. Steve Win, the casino rang Nagnato would say, Okay,

913
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. This is a late stage admission. The

914
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: only time I've been to Vegas was like a two

915
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: hour layover in the Vegas airport, which is surely one

916
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: of the lower circles of hell. Anyway, the kidnappers were

917
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: caught trying to spend some of the ransom money for

918
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: Steve Win's daughter in Newport Beach, attempting to buy very

919
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: expensive car in cash. I just a little reading about

920
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: this case. These men were not MENSA candidates. Some of

921
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: the phone call records were traced to pay phones in

922
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: a local bar called Sunny's Saloon and Carl Jr. So, yeah,

923
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: you're conducting your Vegas kidnapping ransom calls from a Carl's Jr.

924
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: You might be your redneck? Where else are you gonna

925
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: get though? I mean, you can't do it in a

926
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: drive plays because they can trace you to it. I

927
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: guess Benendez brothers also buy like a Rolex, a Lamborghini,

928
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and one of them bought like a Fried Chicken franchise

929
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: restaurant or something after they after they killed their parents

930
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: and got all this money. Good lord, anyway, that's fun. Well,

931
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: speaking of pat aside, damn it. Transitions have really failed

932
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: us for this one, this whole episode really, So it's

933
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: pretty unlikely that we're gonna get a sequel with the

934
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Speaker 1: with the Oceans eleven cast or the almost said the

935
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: original Oceans eleven. But you know, Clooney brad pitt Led,

936
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: the way Disney is doing things, they're gonna give us

937
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: a digitally d aged like a fake c g I

938
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,760
Speaker 1: rat pack sooner rather than later. Well, until that day comes.

939
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: We almost got a moment where Matt Damon's character had

940
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: a cameo in the Oceans eight movie, which had an

941
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: incredible cast of actresses Cape Blanchett, Sandra Bullock. Sandra Bullock,

942
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I think she played Danny Ocean's sister, right, she was

943
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Debbi Ocean. Um and you had Cate Blanchette, Sarah Paulson

944
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: and Hathaway, Mindy Kaling, Helena Bonham, Carter Rihanna and the

945
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: comedian Aquafina. What an amazing cast. And they were gonna

946
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: have Damon's character Lioness appear, and just as kind of

947
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: you know, the link this movie with the with the

948
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: keep it in the Clooney universe, as you know, we

949
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: all should, we all should be so lucky to live

950
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: in the Clooney universe. But uh, apparently Matt Damon had

951
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: given comments to uh the Hollywood Reporter in the wake

952
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: of the Harvey Weinstein scandal that I forget exactly what

953
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: he said, but they were assuredly ill advised, and in

954
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: the midst of the backlash they wrote his his cameo

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00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: out of the movie. All right, give me your summation

956
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: of from this winding transition free Oceans eleven. Bit. Yeah,

957
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: I think I think we pretty much have done Oceans eleven,

958
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: and you know we were talking about this earlier. It's

959
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: it's sort of impossible not to love this movie. And

960
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: just because I don't want to say that there's a

961
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: message in this movie, but you know, in Las Vegas,

962
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 1: there's a sense that there's the system in place that's

963
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: designed to screw you. Um not even in Vegas, in

964
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: the world really, uh so everyone loves to see, you know,

965
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: Vegas get screwed back. Steven Soderberg gave an interview when

966
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: he said, when I say Oceans eleven is a throwback

967
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: to an earlier period in cinema, I mean that the

968
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: movie is never mean, it's never gratuitous, nobody's killed, nobody's

969
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 1: humiliated for no reason, to the butt of a joke.

970
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: It's probably the least threatening film I've ever made in

971
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: a way that was conscious on my part. I wanted

972
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: it to be light entertainment, and I didn't think darker

973
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: or meaner ideas had a place in a movie like this.

974
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be sparkling. I love that slowly

975
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: cue in Jordan and I are going to slowly walk

976
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: off to uh to a beautiful a beautiful Mont in

977
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: front of the bellagio. We're flying to the flying to

978
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: the bellaccio. Can you charge that to I heeart? Oh boy?

979
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: All right, folks, thank you for joining us. This has

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