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Speaker 1: High Nuts World podcast listeners Giano Calledwell Here. I'm part

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Speaker 1: this week working on finishing his new book, Beyond Biden,

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Speaker 1: Rebuilding the America We Love, so he's asked me to

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Speaker 1: take this opportunity to fill in for him by introducing

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Speaker 1: one of my recent episodes from my podcast, Outlied with

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Speaker 1: Giano called Well. New episodes of Outlied with Giano called

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Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Now Here's Outlied with

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Speaker 1: Giano Caldwell. The Women of the Bible with Shannon Breen.

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Speaker 1: People who don't read scripture often ensuing women play little

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Speaker 1: to no role in the Bible. In fact, some critics

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Speaker 1: even claimed the Bible's outright sexist. Today we learn the

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Speaker 1: truth with the one and only Shannon Breen. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Llo with Gianno Caldwell. I'm Gianno Caldwell and I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited for this week's show. My guest is someone

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Speaker 1: who I'm a big fan of and I'm sure you've

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Speaker 1: seen on TV Fox News Channel, Shannon Brain. Shannon has

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Speaker 1: been a pillar at Fox News for years and She

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Speaker 1: currently works as an anchor in the network's chief legal correspondent.

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Speaker 1: Shannon is also a New York Times bestselling author, number

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Speaker 1: The Women of the Bible Speak The Wisdom of Sixteen

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Speaker 1: Women and their Lessons for Today, it rose to the

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Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller list number one over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Such a good read. Today, I want to discuss Shannon's

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Speaker 1: latest book and examine faith more broadly. I also asked

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Speaker 1: career in years of reporting on the nation's highest court.

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Speaker 1: Plus we discuss family and get a bit into Shannon's

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Speaker 1: personal life. With that, I want to welcome Shannon bringing

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Speaker 1: to the show. Thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 1: all with Gianno calledwell Jano, it is my honor. I've

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Speaker 1: been just so blown away watching you over the years

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Speaker 1: and just all the amazing things that you're doing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm always cheering for you and so interesting to know

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Speaker 1: you were the first person I've ever met who worked

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Speaker 1: at Fox News Channel. I think it was the Hills

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Speaker 1: most Beautiful event, and you received the honor of that

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Speaker 1: year and I was able to say hello I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: interested in doing Telivion, and I think I was doing

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Speaker 1: TV at that point. I think it was more on

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Speaker 1: you to give me your email address and correspond with me,

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Speaker 1: and here we are now colleagues at the same network.

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Speaker 1: I love it. And that's such a cheeseball Washington thing

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Speaker 1: that we would be at a party for the Hills,

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Speaker 1: most beautiful people, but I love it. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: that was an opportunity to meet you, if nothing else,

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Speaker 1: exactly exactly, So, I want to get into something that

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Speaker 1: I think has certainly woken people up to women in

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Speaker 1: the Bible today. I think especially in our day and

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Speaker 1: moving towards darkness. If I'm being honest with you, they're

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Speaker 1: not necessarily utilizing the Bible as a tool to get

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Speaker 1: through those very difficult times. In some cases, they're shunning

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Speaker 1: the Bible in any religious teachings. And you came out

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Speaker 1: Bible Speak, which New York Times best Selling author, number

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Speaker 1: earlier this year. And the book is titled The Women

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Speaker 1: and because they are a Catholic church based group, they

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Speaker 1: don't actively place children with same sex couples. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit over that now pending, and i'd know that

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Speaker 1: for the case, and the record shows there's never been

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Speaker 1: a same sex couple who's gone to Catholic Charities to

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Speaker 1: try to be part of the foster program and been

436
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Speaker 1: turned away. So the case is based on something that

437
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Speaker 1: hasn't actually happened yet. But I think that's going to

438
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Speaker 1: be one of those very tricky places where the Court's

439
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Speaker 1: going to try to find this balance of respecting the

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Speaker 1: rights of everyone involved. Can you find that balance? And

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Speaker 1: we'll get that case in a number of days, and

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I think there are a lot of important

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Speaker 1: conversations on that space that are happening in the legal world. Now.

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Speaker 1: We've seen in recent years that each nominee, that each

445
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Speaker 1: new nominee to the Supreme Court becomes a political circus.

446
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Speaker 1: We saw that with Brett comin all Amy Coney Barrett,

447
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Speaker 1: which they try to really really derail her nomination as

448
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Speaker 1: well as Brett. Why has the Supreme Court become such

449
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Speaker 1: a politically expulsive, explosive point of contention. Is it healthy

450
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Speaker 1: for the republic I think it's tricky because the justices

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Speaker 1: themselves don't want to be viewed as partisan. They know

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Speaker 1: that either a Republican or a Democrat president nominated them,

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Speaker 1: but they very much want to be seen as untethered

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Speaker 1: from that. They have no obligations, they make no promises

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Speaker 1: to any president who interviews them or considers them for nomination,

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Speaker 1: And so you see them across the ideological spectrum. I

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Speaker 1: think it's healthy to have justices, all nine of them

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Speaker 1: across the board, different ones now speaking up and saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, Justice Briar, who's viewed as a part of

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Speaker 1: the liberal wing, he comes from a Democratic nomination President Clinton,

461
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Speaker 1: to say, this court is not political. We do not

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Speaker 1: want to be viewed that way. We've for the Chief

463
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Speaker 1: Justice John Roberts, obviously a Republican nominee, say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: We as the court or above that separate from that,

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Speaker 1: and we don't operate that way. They've, you know, many

466
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Speaker 1: of them have said things that have indicated they're not

467
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Speaker 1: happy about this talk of packing the court by Democrats

468
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Speaker 1: and progressives who are really pushing that. So when you

469
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Speaker 1: have even Stephen Bryer coming out as a Democratic, democratically

470
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Speaker 1: nominated nominee who votes primarily with the liberal wing, to say,

471
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Speaker 1: stop talking about packing the court. You're undermining the institution

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Speaker 1: and making it look political, where we make every effort

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Speaker 1: to not beat political. And I think they genuinely do that.

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Speaker 1: But I think because they're the highest court in the land.

475
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Speaker 1: There's so much at stake for every seat that changes,

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Speaker 1: and so right now they're just like we saw with

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Speaker 1: Justice Ginsburg, We're seeing a number of people step up

478
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Speaker 1: on the left and write these articles and give these

479
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Speaker 1: interviews saying it's time for Justice Briar to go. And

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Speaker 1: my experience has been that the more that happens with

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Speaker 1: the Justice, the more likely they dig their heels in

482
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Speaker 1: and they don't want to leave. So it's really tricky.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things we watch for

484
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Speaker 1: is I'm now coming to the end of the term

485
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Speaker 1: for the Supreme Court, which ends the end of June.

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Speaker 1: We always watch for those retirement announcements, and there are

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Speaker 1: always rumors, but we haven't heard anything concrete from Justice

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Speaker 1: Brian and I suspect the more the left calls for

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Speaker 1: him to go, the longer he's going to stay. Yeah, unlikely. Now,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about Mitch McConnell's latest statement saying

491
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Speaker 1: that if Republicans take over the Senate and he becomes

492
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Speaker 1: the majority leader again, he's not going to allow any

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden nominees to get a hearing. And that's clearly

494
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Speaker 1: if someone were to retire at this point. Yeah, he says,

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Speaker 1: in election year twenty twenty four, if that happens now,

496
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Speaker 1: he'll say to you that that is consistent with what

497
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Speaker 1: he did with this open seat of Justice Scalia, when

498
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Speaker 1: there was an election coming and the Senate was in

499
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Speaker 1: a different political party's hands than the White House. He says,

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Speaker 1: what's consistent is to wait for the election and let

501
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Speaker 1: the voters tell you who they want to fill that seat.

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Speaker 1: So it's really wonky, is very nuanced, but he says

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Speaker 1: that's been his consistent argument the whole time. And listen,

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Speaker 1: he and President Trump, their lasting legacy, I think will

505
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Speaker 1: be the enormous number of federal judges they got seated

506
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Speaker 1: to the bench during President Trump's year or his term.

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Speaker 1: That he absolutely so that is what Mitch McConnell is about.

508
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Speaker 1: That's what President drump was about, was getting those seats filled.

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Speaker 1: So listen, I think it's tricky Democrats are looking ahead

510
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Speaker 1: to next year and knowing that twenty twenty two, you know,

511
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Speaker 1: historically it's not a good year for the party whose

512
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Speaker 1: president holds the White House. So I think that the

513
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Speaker 1: House is very much in play. I think the Senate

514
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Speaker 1: less so. But again, you know, looking ahead to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Who knows what the political landscape is going

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Speaker 1: to be, But Mitch McConnell says this statement he made

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Speaker 1: this week is consistent with what he did certainly sixteen No.

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Speaker 1: I want to close out our interview by asking a

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Speaker 1: couple of questions about you, beyond Fox News and your

520
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 1: best selling books. You've spoken before about your eye condition

521
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Speaker 1: that you may you had to endure extremely dry eye,

522
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Speaker 1: and how painful it was for you. You describe waking

523
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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and feeling like

524
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Speaker 1: someone was literally stabbing your eyes. For our listeners who

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Speaker 1: may not know, what was that experience like and what lessons,

526
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Speaker 1: if any, that you learned from it, It was clearly

527
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Speaker 1: the darkest part of my life. I'm very open in

528
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Speaker 1: my first book talking about that and how when you

529
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Speaker 1: live with chronic pain. And I'm sure a number of

530
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Speaker 1: people listening to this know what that's like, or they

531
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Speaker 1: have someone they love who know knows what that's like.

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Speaker 1: Every day you're questioning, how do I get through this day?

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Speaker 1: And what is the purpose? I mean, if my whole

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Speaker 1: life is going to be nothing but trying to survive

535
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: excruciating pain every day of my life. Why should I

536
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Speaker 1: go on living? And I was really asking myself those questions,

537
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Speaker 1: and I went from doctor to doctor with this excruciating

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Speaker 1: eye pain. Finally, and I had gotten to a really

539
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Speaker 1: dark place and just kind of had a breakdown with

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Speaker 1: my husband, like I can't go on like this, I

541
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Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. And when I log onto message

542
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Speaker 1: boards for people who are suffering the way that I

543
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: am with these same eye conditions, people are talking about suicide,

544
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't sound crazy to me. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: it would be a relief in some ways. And I

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00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: knew in my head, even though I was exhausted and

547
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: going through constant pain and emotionally exhausted, that that wasn't

548
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Speaker 1: clear thinking. I knew that, and so leveling with my

549
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Speaker 1: husband and having this conversation and deciding that I was

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Speaker 1: going to start the hunt again for another doctor, and

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00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: praying that God would lead me to somebody. Listen, if

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00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: you're not going to heal me, may not be your plan.

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Speaker 1: Please just lead me to somebody that can get me

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Speaker 1: through this. And the very next day I found the

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Speaker 1: doctor who finally diagnosed me. And I always embarrass him

556
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Speaker 1: when I see him. I'm like, you know you're an

557
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: answer to prayer, and he's sort of like, he laughs

558
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortably, like, okay, thanks, but he really is.

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Speaker 1: And what he diagnosed me with was not only the

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Speaker 1: dry eye that I was struggling with, and I hate

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Speaker 1: this because I know millions of people around the world

562
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Speaker 1: struggle with this, but on top of that, I had

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Speaker 1: a genetic condition to my corneas that is not curable.

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Speaker 1: It's manageable, but there is no cure for it. So

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Speaker 1: that was a blow when he told me that. It

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Speaker 1: was such a high to hear that he knew what

567
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: I had finally, but you know, really difficult to hear

568
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Speaker 1: that you're never going to be free of this. You're

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Speaker 1: going to manage this the rest of your life. And

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Speaker 1: with his help and God's grace, I have been able

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Speaker 1: to get out of that chronic pain situation and found

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Speaker 1: such relief and help where ninety five percent of the

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Speaker 1: time I'm doing amazing and I'm so greatful. So you

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Speaker 1: ask about lessons, and that's such a great question because

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Speaker 1: a couple of things made me way more empathetic to

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Speaker 1: other people. Because I would think sometimes at the gym

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Speaker 1: when I'm on the tread mill or something and just

578
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: can barely hang on. I'm like, I don't you know

579
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Speaker 1: the person next to me has no idea what I'm

580
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Speaker 1: struggling with. How do I know what they're struggling with.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they are in depression, maybe they have lost someone

582
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Speaker 1: they love, maybe they're unemployed and terrified. I mean, you

583
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know what people are going through. It doesn't have

584
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: to be physical. It can be mental and emotional. We're

585
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: all struggling with those things of the last year. So

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00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: it's made me much more empathetic to other people's pain,

587
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Speaker 1: which is a good place to be, to be humble

588
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: and to care about other people. But it also gave

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Speaker 1: me great hope and deep in my faith because there

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Speaker 1: came a point where after I found out that there

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Speaker 1: was no cure for this, that I was in my

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Speaker 1: car just sobbing, having left the doctor's office and saying, God,

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Speaker 1: how can this be? You know, I feel like this

594
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Speaker 1: guy's my answer to prayer. But what do you mean

595
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Speaker 1: there's no cure? And as I'm thinking I just can't

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Speaker 1: do it, I felt him say to me not out loud.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like I've ever heard God's voice out loud,

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Speaker 1: although I believe you know, people can. For me, my

599
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: experience was sort of feeling him say in my spirit,

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Speaker 1: but it was very clear saying I will be with you.

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Speaker 1: Those words not I'm going to take you out of this,

602
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna heal it, or it's all going to

603
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Speaker 1: be rainbows and sunshine, but I'm going to be with you.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's a truth that we can all

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Speaker 1: claim whatever we're walking through, that he promises us to

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Speaker 1: be with us in the best and worst of it.

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Speaker 1: So I would never want to relive those years, but

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot and I'm thankful for what I

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Speaker 1: learned through them. Wow. Thank you for sharing that story.

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Speaker 1: And it's so interesting. You mentioned your husband, Sheldon, and

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Speaker 1: I see you all's marriage. You will be married. I

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Speaker 1: guess it'll be thirty years in a few years from now,

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Speaker 1: like maybe three years. Yeah. We just we celebrated our

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth and twenty five okay, so five years from now, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you know what we always say, we are an

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Speaker 1: imperfect but we're perfect for each other and our faith

617
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: is the foundation of what keeps us together. Like everyone

618
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: has been married for longer than five minutes, you've had

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Speaker 1: an argument you've had ups and downs, real world struggles

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Speaker 1: and real crises in your marriage, and so we don't

621
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Speaker 1: ever want to act like we've got it totally together

622
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: and it's perfect to bliss for twenty five years, but

623
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Speaker 1: we know that you can make it through tough things.

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Speaker 1: And I am his number one fan and I think

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Speaker 1: he's mine too. And I think if you come from

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00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: a place of where you're sharing for your spouse and

627
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: you want the best for them, because listen, we're all

628
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: born selfish beings. I think we come out of the

629
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Speaker 1: womb that way, and marriage really makes you fight that

630
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: you have to want the other person's, you know, benefit,

631
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: before your own. And if you're constantly trying to serve

632
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: and care for each other, it's going to be a

633
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: beautiful circle where you're taking care of each other. And

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00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: it feels like a really nice place to kind of

635
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: have shelter in your own home against the rest of

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Speaker 1: the world because you know you have someone who has

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Speaker 1: your back and you have theirs, and that's and I

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00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you for sharing that. And as someone

639
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: who's certainly looking to get married at some point in

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00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: the future, maybe even the near future, who knows the

641
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: near future. Yeah, I would love that. But for me,

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00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: it's it's you got to really beyond everything looking okay,

643
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: if a person has, you know, all the things in

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Speaker 1: which you desire and a mate, it's also this this instinct,

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Speaker 1: that's such a good question, and I've wrestled with that

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Speaker 1: You know, some people it's a gift of singleness and

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's my person. But I don't want

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Speaker 1: I'm going to marry the wrong person. Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's like, oh, if you don't get

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Speaker 1: I've been wrestling with that question myself, and I think

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Speaker 1: will let's say no or not, move on, and God'll

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Speaker 1: place somebody else in your life. So I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's amazing and I really appreciate you sharing that.

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Speaker 1: And before we go, do you have any big projects

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Speaker 1: And where can they find you on social media and elsewhere? Well,

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Speaker 1: you can find me at Shannon Bream on Facebook and

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Speaker 1: Twitter and instaff. I drew the line at like TikTok.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm too old for that. That is not true.

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Speaker 1: amazing stories about dogs that go into battle, or their

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Speaker 1: that's just kind of a feel good story. Those are

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Speaker 1: on Fox Nation. They've just been released. Now this you know,

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Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks are going to be crazy

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Speaker 1: covering the Supreme Court, and I'm feeling it for Brett

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Speaker 1: it gets busy, and of course at midnight, we're there

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Speaker 1: I hope so too. Thank you, Shannon Brain for sharing

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Speaker 1: with us today. We really appreciate your valuable insight, my pleasure.

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