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Speaker 1: And when I try to figure out why my story

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Speaker 1: you gotta have something to write about Sis.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to episode five point fifty two with may Estis.

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Speaker 2: You can follow her on Instagram even just to see

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Speaker 2: what she looks like.

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Speaker 3: M A e E. S t E. S. May Estes.

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Speaker 2: She's got a self titled heap that came out October tenth.

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Speaker 2: You can check out her music and obviously I liked

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Speaker 2: her also great merch. I've been wearing her hats for

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Speaker 2: like week and a half now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, two colors of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. At the end, she was like, hey, I brought

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Speaker 2: you a couple of hats. And people do bring stuff sometimes,

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Speaker 2: and most stuff it just goes in the pile. But

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Speaker 2: she actually made some really cool hats, so I've been

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Speaker 2: and he was like, she's great. And then he's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, she's like you and I was like, uh,

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Speaker 2: this Henderson State University. She's from a small town like

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Speaker 3: And so did a little digging. Obviously. I like what

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Speaker 2: Also sometimes don't want to like get ahead of it

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Speaker 2: and put somebody on before they really have something there.

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Speaker 3: But no, this was good. I was glad we did then.

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Speaker 2: And then she's also just a really cool artist and

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody checks her out.

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Speaker 3: So this is may Estus. Anything you want to say,

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Speaker 3: Mike is like meeting you in the multiverse A little.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if yeah, I agree, if I was born a girl,

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Speaker 2: yeah or not? I mean, it could also be just

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Speaker 3: You know what get you?

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Speaker 2: A may Estis hat like I often wear. Uh, there

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Speaker 2: you go, that's it here she is may Estes.

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Speaker 3: May welcome, good to see you.

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Speaker 2: I know about you a bit well, mostly because I

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Speaker 2: started doing some investigating the first time someone said something

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Speaker 2: was It was mostly like, are you and may related?

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Speaker 2: Because my real last name is almost your last name.

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Speaker 2: Because my real last name is Estel, which is E.

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Speaker 3: S T E L. Yours is Estes.

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Speaker 2: People think because we're from Arkansas and we have the

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Speaker 3: I said, no, I don't. I'm not related to her.

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Speaker 2: We're from basically the same part of the state, school everything.

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Speaker 2: And then one of my dear friends, we were flying

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Speaker 2: I asked, George Burgh, I said, do you like Maiestas

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Speaker 2: And he was like, she is the best, and I

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Speaker 3: So George, your thoughts on all of.

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Speaker 1: That, well, Bobby, you are a legend where we come from.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a few of the only few

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, And your story has been inspirational to me

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Speaker 1: even from a distance, as far as like you don't

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Speaker 1: And so a lot of our story is similar in

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Speaker 2: Well, that's nice of you. You're from Hope, Hope, Ark

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Speaker 3: I think you guys were like three A or four A.

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Speaker 2: My best friend and my one of my groom's been

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Speaker 1: I was the Hope Watermelon Idol. One year you were

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Speaker 3: They had the watermelon idol.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it took me about five years to win it.

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Speaker 1: They kept letting this like seventy five year old man

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Speaker 1: No, and I was still young and cute and had

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Speaker 1: I was like about to move to Nashville. I was

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Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on that. I'm sorry didn't get to tell

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Speaker 2: did you go to whole high school?

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Speaker 2: And whenever you're growing up and I don't know your

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Speaker 1: That is the whole other podcast. I'm afraid, but my

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Speaker 2: So I have that doesn't even sound weird to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, Ye, you're.

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Speaker 1: Honestly one of the people. I was like, you know

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Speaker 1: And when I try to figure out why my story

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Speaker 1: you gotta have something to write about sis.

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Speaker 3: He was giving you material.

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Speaker 1: That's and when I'm in my most positive monset, that's

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Speaker 2: I have double cousins and that I have my sister

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Speaker 3: I don't really call my dad but his brother.

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Speaker 2: So we had two sisters marry and two brothers, so

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Speaker 2: I have to say that, Oh, we're not inbred.

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Speaker 1: But it's like Arkansas is thick in here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're double cousins.

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Speaker 2: We're as as much cousin as you could possibly be

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Speaker 1: I graduated from Hope, Hi and wanted to go to Belmont.

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Speaker 3: Day we might be just the same person in a

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much to creep you out with

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Speaker 2: When you moved to Nashville? Would you finish school? And

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Speaker 2: So I drove every day because I worked. Every day,

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Speaker 2: We call that the Awful Waffle And I spent so

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Speaker 2: There was a bank in Arkadelphia. I haven't thought about

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Speaker 1: My mom's dad was in a bluegrass band before I

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Speaker 3: What'd you do here? What jobs?

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Speaker 1: It'd be easier to tell you what I didn't. I

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Speaker 3: It's still that for me, and I have it, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you how much. I had a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think at least with me, sure it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so and that was hard for me. But I

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Speaker 3: I'm going to show up before other people.

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Speaker 3: And I think that gave me a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Whenever they were like, hey, you gotta get a business manager,

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Speaker 1: Mine's also safety based. I think maybe in a similar

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Speaker 1: don't want to depend on anybody but me.

439
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Speaker 2: Forever, because somebody you should be able to depend on,

440
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:53,760
Speaker 2: you weren't able to depend on.

441
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the first lesson I learned as soon as

442
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Speaker 1: I was old enough for my brain to develop. It

443
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Speaker 1: was Yeah, it's a sucky lesson, Yeah, but it's but

444
00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: if you use it right, you know. And it also

445
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm able to relate to people in a way I

446
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,880
Speaker 1: couldn't without that perspective.

447
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think empathy is again another superpower. Perspective is

448
00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 2: also one that you don't really sign up because you

449
00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 2: want nobody wants. It's nice to have perspective once it's there,

450
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,560
Speaker 2: but no one likes to gain it because you only

451
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,159
Speaker 2: gain it through struggle. But you also get again, you

452
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,159
Speaker 2: write songs from perspective, yep. And I think you know,

453
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Speaker 2: a lot of the music that you're writing comes from

454
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Speaker 2: places that you've been or seen or been exposed to.

455
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Speaker 2: And like you said, I think a lot of the

456
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Speaker 2: situations that you've been through have created the creative that

457
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Speaker 2: you are. And yeah, I think it's super interesting because again,

458
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Speaker 2: I think we have a lot of similarities in how

459
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: we got here. I can just imagine from Arcadela, I

460
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:52,000
Speaker 2: went to Austin from Arkadelphia, so similar type city to

461
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Speaker 2: go do a job that I didn't know anybody.

462
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Speaker 3: I moved there. It was kind of crazy because but

463
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Speaker 3: I was.

464
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Speaker 2: Also going to do what I thought I was supposed

465
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Speaker 2: to do, Like I was leaving to go to Austin

466
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Speaker 2: to really start my career. And that was the same thing.

467
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Speaker 2: When you moved here to Nashville. What do you do

468
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Speaker 2: when you get here? I know you're working, but like,

469
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Speaker 2: how do you do music?

470
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Speaker 3: Stuff? Like where do you start?

471
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Speaker 1: I'm still not sure. I was hoping you could tell.

472
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Speaker 3: Me I'm out today. Yeah, I know nothing.

473
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Speaker 1: What the next step is? I just dove in. I

474
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Speaker 1: have that same I'm not trying to say I'm your cousin,

475
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,679
Speaker 1: but it's really looking like it because I have the

476
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 1: exact same work ethic. And so I got here and

477
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: anyone who would meet with me, talk to me, give

478
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: me good advice, bad advice, would let me play a show,

479
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: would let me sing two seconds for them, if I

480
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 1: could work a job, make some money, like cause you don't.

481
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 1: Nashville is this magical mecca to me and just larger

482
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Speaker 1: than life. And I thought all I had figured out

483
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Speaker 1: at this time was that I had been given some

484
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Speaker 1: kind of God given gift to connect with complete strangers

485
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: and it made me feel seen and made them feel seen.

486
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 1: It was a physical release, like that's singing for me.

487
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Speaker 1: And then I think Nashville was probably the whole safety perspective.

488
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: I was like, the people in Nashville can tell me

489
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Speaker 1: how to make this a career where I'm able to

490
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Speaker 1: take care of myself forever, take care of my family forever,

491
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Speaker 1: have a stability of some sort, which is hilarious to

492
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Speaker 1: ever think you're going to get that from the music industry,

493
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Speaker 1: but I think that's my small town naivete was Nashville

494
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Speaker 1: is the place to take this small gift and change

495
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Speaker 1: my life with it.

496
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

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Speaker 4: SPONSOROW and.

498
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Speaker 3: We're back on the Bobby Cast. Was it weird to

499
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Speaker 3: have like minded people around?

500
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Speaker 1: Oh? That was incredible because I very much. You know, Arkansas,

501
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: there was no music scene. I started singing the national

502
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 1: anthem at rodeos I was in when I was little.

503
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Speaker 1: That's where my first performances were. I became the national

504
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 1: anthem girl for the Arkletexts and then no one I.

505
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Speaker 2: Means everybody listening is Arkansas, Louise and Texas. It's like

506
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Speaker 2: that whole area where it all kind of hits each other,

507
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 2: little corner, yeah, yeah.

508
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Speaker 1: And that's all there was. No one was writing original music.

509
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Speaker 1: There were some Opry's and hay Rides. I played the

510
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Speaker 1: Oaklawn Opry in Texaskana all the time, and we drove

511
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Speaker 1: to glen Wood for an AM radio show. But those

512
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: were all classic country songs. And I was ten years

513
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: old singing Don't Come Home and drinking was loving on

514
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Speaker 1: your mind and having to learn all these old classics,

515
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to sing Carrie Underwood

516
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: and I hated it at the time, and now I'm

517
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Speaker 1: so old school. I'm like all I love is classic country.

518
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Speaker 1: But that's all there was around me. And so I

519
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Speaker 1: knew if I wanted to have a career in country music,

520
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Speaker 1: I could not do it in Hope, Arkansas. We're Rockadelphia, Arkansas,

521
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: and I wanted two so bad, but it wasn't realistic.

522
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Speaker 1: This was the hub. No one I knew did it,

523
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Speaker 1: And I had to come here to learn the business.

524
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Speaker 2: When you get and you have a job, and it

525
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: can be the tavern, it could be at the mall,

526
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Speaker 2: it's other people trying to make it too, that have

527
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Speaker 2: jobs like that so they can make it, and to

528
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Speaker 2: be around other people that were also trying to do

529
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Speaker 2: the same thing. I'm sure it was both refreshing and

530
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Speaker 2: even maybe a bit intimidating if they've been doing it

531
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Speaker 2: for a long time and still haven't broken out yet.

532
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And well, you just feel crazy as a

533
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: creative if you're not in the right spot. And so

534
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Speaker 1: it was cool to just I think we I couldn't

535
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: confirm we're all crazy now, but at least we're all

536
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: in it together. But also that ambition. I feel like

537
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 1: my hometown still and I don't mean this negative at all,

538
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: but they don't really know how to dream. I feel

539
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: like my hometown discourages any kind of out of the

540
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: box thinking or like you want to start your own business,

541
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Speaker 1: do it? Like that's not a thing where I come from.

542
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Speaker 1: And so when I got here, I met other people

543
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: who were like, I want this, it doesn't exist, let's

544
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Speaker 1: make it. And so that was incredible. But there is

545
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: that other part of like everybody here is unbelievably talented.

546
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Speaker 3: That's a truth.

547
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: And charismatic and beautiful and also rich felt like everybody's

548
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: freaking parents were rich and had three lake houses and

549
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Speaker 1: all kinds of shit. When I got here and I

550
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: was like, when we start talking retreats and stuff, it

551
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: was like, well, shit, I ain't got y'all want to

552
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: come to the Deer campus a shed. It ain't got

553
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: no electricity even, But if y'all want to come, we

554
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: can write some songs. And so at first I was

555
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: so intimidated by that because I was like, damn, I'm

556
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: not gonna fit in this. But then I was like, oh, well, now,

557
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: like times have even changed where it feels like people

558
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: are chasing that. Like people want to sing about a

559
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: trailer house. Now I grew up in a damn trailerhouse.

560
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: They want to fake poor even if they weren't, because

561
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Speaker 3: they want.

562
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Speaker 1: A small town and like authenticity, and I used to

563
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Speaker 1: feel like I needed to hide that part of it.

564
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: So then I found my people here and it was like,

565
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Speaker 1: I think I'm authentically what some people wish they were,

566
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Speaker 1: which is interesting. And then just I had to learn

567
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: to surround myself with people that are better than me,

568
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: and I try to do that every single day. Just

569
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Speaker 1: kill my ego. I should be the worst person in

570
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Speaker 1: the room, and that's how I feel. If I'm worth

571
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: the damn at all in my talent, it's because those

572
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Speaker 1: people kept making me level up for the last ten years.

573
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Speaker 3: You're so right. I've said this.

574
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Speaker 2: A lot of people creatives that move to this town,

575
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: most of them are rich or poor. Very rarely is

576
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Speaker 2: it a middle class kid who moves here that has

577
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Speaker 2: some stability.

578
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: Its went to a pretty good school. Like, you either have.

579
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Speaker 2: To have mom and daddy's money, because this job has

580
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: no stability.

581
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 3: You move here, you're just on your own. The wind's blowing.

582
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: You could be awesome and never make it.

583
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: And that could still be impossible with mom and dad's

584
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Speaker 1: money too.

585
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 2: I found, Yes, but with mom and dad's money, theirs

586
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: stability because you've got the money to.

587
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Speaker 3: Pay the bills.

588
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: Or it's somebody who's completely poor, has nothing to lose, Yeah,

589
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: and a dream, and you know what if they're going

590
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: to be poor, Okay, I've been poor before. I'm gonna

591
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: keep being poor, but I'm still gonna do what I

592
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 2: dream of doing while being poor. And so it's usually

593
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: those two kinds of people that move here as a

594
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: creative that want to make as an artist, you either

595
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: got some money or you got no money, And rarely

596
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 2: is it in the middle, because in the middle, you're

597
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: kind of comfortable, and if you're comfortable, it's hard to

598
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Speaker 2: take yourself to a place that's not comfortable anymore. Yeah,

599
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: And I think even when people get success that had

600
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: we'll just say no money.

601
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: It's hard once you've made it.

602
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: And I struggled with this for a while because I

603
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: started to go, man, I've kind of made it. I

604
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: don't want to really, you know, do anything to you know,

605
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: rattle the cages.

606
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: Now.

607
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Speaker 3: I don't want to lose all this. I now I'm

608
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: past that stage again.

609
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: But I started to be comfortable because I didn't want

610
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: to lose what I had. And so, yes, it's one

611
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: of two kinds of people. And I could see where

612
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: that would be intimidating moving here. And it's a bunch

613
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Speaker 2: of well, it's a lot of like rich kids who

614
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: can come and just ride all day because they don't

615
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: have to have a job, because they don't have to

616
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: pay their freaking car insurance and all that stuff's got

617
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: to be paid first before you can do any before

618
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: you can even go.

619
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Speaker 3: And write songs. Who is here like in your class?

620
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Speaker 2: And I say that, as you know, when I moved here,

621
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: there were five or six or seven of us who

622
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: moved here around the same time, like the Dan and shay'se.

623
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Speaker 2: That's like my class. We all moved here at the

624
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 2: same time. Who moved here kind of when you moved

625
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: here that you remember well.

626
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Speaker 1: I feel like the artist commune is something I'm just

627
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: now trying to tap into. I haven't had a lot

628
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: of artist friends because we've been running opposite directions at

629
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: the same speed, and we're also in our own like

630
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: I don't have I'm like, good for you, but I'm

631
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: so focused on my own stuff I can't even have

632
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: that kind of So I had a lot of songwriter

633
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: friends initially. But Emily Anne Roberts, do you know her?

634
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: She we've just recently become friends, but she moved about

635
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: the same time. But we've been really good support systems

636
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: for each other and have very different journey. She was

637
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: on the Voice and had the TV show and like,

638
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: had a very different journey. But yeah, we're and we

639
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: both kind of are feeling a little bit of a

640
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: buzz this year around the same time. But I think

641
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: that ten year mark is just kind of what I

642
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: believed is the Bible, because it was some kind of

643
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: comfort even if I was like, I don't know, it's

644
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: just kind of this mark for me, so I'll I

645
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: will be completely honest. The tenure has been a mental

646
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: breakdown for me because I was like, what did I

647
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: want this year to be?

648
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: What did you want this year to be?

649
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think I've spent a

650
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: lot of my journey in Nashville. Somewhere along the way.

651
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: I let the industry and the town help me make

652
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: my list of goals and what success is.

653
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: Because you're singing around you and what other people are doing.

654
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Yep, and because people validate certain things like this is

655
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: an incredible opportunity to me because we come from the

656
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: same place. I wanted to have a conversation with you.

657
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: But there are opportunities like this that mean a lot

658
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: to your label or something and don't fill your cup

659
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: at all. And that's what I'm in currently, is this

660
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: looking at my whole life and career in a different

661
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: way because I think I've gotten close enough. I've seen

662
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: the wizard, and I have gotten close enough to know

663
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: that the glitter is not gold.

664
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: Man, it is not at all.

665
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: It is not but I do think there's incredible beauty

666
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: in this, and I think there's obviously something in my

667
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: heart that made me sacrifice everything in the whole world

668
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: to chase this. I still believe that's there, but I

669
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: think I've gotten a little distracted on what success or

670
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: even stability is for me, and so it's been crippling

671
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: to be honest with myself and be like, since you

672
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: might have gotten it wrong, Well.

673
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: You know what the glitter is.

674
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: The glitterus fulfillment, and and it's hard to think of

675
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: that when you're just trying to pay the bills. Yeah,

676
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: because you can't pay the bills off fulfillment.

677
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: You also can't I feel like I'm such a control

678
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: freak that I have like had my life by like this,

679
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: and you can't accept even if f financial opportunities were coming,

680
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm not looking for them. I've already decided they're not

681
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: coming to me. And that's like not a not a

682
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: productive mindset.

683
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?

684
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I think it's a protective pessimism. I don't expect to

685
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: just be like if I trust the process, Oh, somebody's

686
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: gonna call me tomorrow and it's gonna be a check

687
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: that's gonna pay my mortgage this month if I decide

688
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: to let go of everything that doesn't feel good to me.

689
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: And I love that, and I have friends that actually

690
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: have experienced that, but I have this part of my

691
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: brain that is always going to fight that because my

692
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: life has not been that way. I've seen that the

693
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: world is not fair, and just because you work hard

694
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: for something, or you think you deserve something, or you're

695
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: a good person, nobody gives a shit. That's not how

696
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: it works.

697
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: You're right. The only one that does is you.

698
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I work so hard to depend

699
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: only on myself. But it's another hard truth I've learned

700
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: this year is I don't think you can do this

701
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: shit by yourself, unfortunately.

702
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: And it's also hard to find the people, though, that

703
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: can do it with you, that care about you enough

704
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: to put in an effort, like a real effort, like

705
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: a real team.

706
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: That's why my team's been there for twenty years.

707
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Like all my people, they don't if you come in,

708
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: you almost rarely leave, like my co hosts on my

709
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: radio show twenty years, even like Morgan, who's my manager

710
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: and runs my podcast network. I was speaking out a

711
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: college here thirteen years ago and she just emailed me

712
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: from the board and I was like, yeah, I mean

713
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: I was also like I don't know how all that was,

714
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: but and so she came in. She was an intern

715
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: and assistant producer, executive. But it's like once you get

716
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: like five or six of those people that it matters

717
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 2: to as well, Like that's where the real currency is

718
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: because you can trust them, you can trust that they

719
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: trust you, and you can trust them and you know

720
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: that they'll work for it as well. It's hard to

721
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: find that.

722
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the beginning stages of that

723
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: where you feel like people are just pouring into you.

724
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, for example, like a manager is getting

725
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: fifteen percent of what you're doing, but that ain't nothing

726
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Like I struggle so much with people

727
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: because that's something else is I've had a lot of

728
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: people hold things over my head in my life. That's

729
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: why I'm so independent and I don't want anyone to

730
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: do anything for me ever, But I struggle with those

731
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: champions that come on early and accepting that love and

732
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: help and investment, And believe, have you ever struggled with

733
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: that or you just found the people that jumped on board,

734
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: and you knew you were gonna work until it was

735
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: beneficial for everybody.

736
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: I don't think I why don't think I've jumped on board. Ah,

737
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody has a different story about working with me.

738
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: And also I'm to interview.

739
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: I'm so reluctant to let anybody in at all, Like

740
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: it's hard to get in, and everybody that's been with

741
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: me now is for the most part of my whole

742
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: team is plus over ten years in different capacities, so

743
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: it's really hard to get in.

744
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: It's like a gang. I gotta jump you in, I

745
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: got to jump you out.

746
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: So it's almost like there's got to be something really

747
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: traumatic that happens for me to believe you even want

748
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 2: to actually be here and not just make the money.

749
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: And then the opposite as well, like you really got

750
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 2: to like stab my wife for me to fire you,

751
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: Like it's one of the two.

752
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about my marriage. Was like because

753
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm married, which is shocking to me. I did not

754
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: think you got to have a spouse in this, but

755
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: I actively tried to just like jump scare him off.

756
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a pain in the ass, and my

757
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: wife I'm difficult and stubborn, and no one in the

758
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: God's green earth should put up with me, especially when

759
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred thousand percent committed to this dream and

760
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: we'll put it above you every time forever. And I

761
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: got to be honest about that. But I tried to

762
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: be like, you don't want this, you don't want this,

763
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: and he would not go away. And we've been together

764
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: eight years now, married five wow, and he's the best

765
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: thing in the whole world. But that, I think that

766
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: is going to be the same approach maybe in my

767
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: business team is I'm going to be like, you can't

768
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: handle me, I'm too crazy. You know, one should put

769
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: up with me, and they're going to be like, no,

770
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm in this. You don't scare me.

771
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: That's so unhealthy. And I do it too.

772
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: I'll I give you another example of a very similar situation.

773
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: I have had a very dear friend of mine that

774
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: has he's an excellent artist at singer, one of the

775
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: best singers, one of the best guitar players that I know,

776
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: and he toured for ten years with me and was

777
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: actually a really good friend. And I was looking for

778
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: a position inside of my little internal group, a very

779
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: tight group and it was a position that he had

780
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: never done. But he had done a lot of like

781
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: written a lot of songs for TV shows, written a

782
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: lot of songs for commercials. He does a lot of

783
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: producing for other artists. But I needed a job that

784
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: was like that. But for me, it's like all capacities

785
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: video audio. I just needed like a create a creative

786
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: by my side that there wasn't a defined job except

787
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: the definition is man. We just got to figure everything out.

788
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: And I know I never thought of them for this

789
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 2: because he was so overqualified. And I was looking because

790
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: my guy read left and he hit me up and

791
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: he was like, Hey, would you ever consider me for

792
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: this job?

793
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't think so.

794
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: I think you're it's I don't think it's you because

795
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: you don't want to work with me in that capacity.

796
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 3: And had every one of.

797
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: My people call him, and I told them all my

798
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: closest friends, and he also knew all my closest friends.

799
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: I don't call him and try to convince I'm not

800
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: to work with me. I would tell, like Eddie, my

801
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: best friend who knew I say, hey, call him and

802
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: tell him the worst parts about working with me. I

803
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 2: think I had five different people call and convince him

804
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: not to take the job, and then it's the end.

805
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: He called and he was like, dude, I've worked with

806
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 2: you for ten years. I've toward as you like, I

807
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 2: get it, you're crazy in a way, but like I'm good,

808
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: let's go.

809
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: But I did the same thing.

810
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: I tried to convince them not to work for me

811
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: because it's like, you don't want you don't want to

812
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: have to be around this all the time, because it's

813
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: it's insane and I'm insane. And that same guy as

814
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: your husband, Yeah, we have the same We did the

815
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: same thing. But I feel like that's what you did

816
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: with him. I mean I feel like you're like, you

817
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: don't how can we You don't want to be with me?

818
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: But I try to do that in relationships.

819
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you just expect. When you love people,

820
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: you think they deserve the best in the world, and

821
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: when you have a poor self image. I one hundred

822
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: percent I'm trying to love myself. It's going to take

823
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: me the rest of my life to figure that out.

824
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, me too.

825
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: But when other people love you before you know how

826
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: to love yourself, it is the most confusing thing in

827
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: the world.

828
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: You think it's because your dad left, because I think

829
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: a lot of us because my dad left.

830
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: I try not to give that man any damn credit.

831
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: But the older I get, the more I'm like, those

832
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: abandonment issues are a large I have a whole lot

833
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: of I got a box full of issues. But I

834
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: think the abandoned when abandonmant one. Yeah, but I think again,

835
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd be sitting right here. I don't

836
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: think I would have that. I'm doing it, and you

837
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: gave it. You were the first person to give up

838
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: on me. So I think there is a part of

839
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: me that's like proving you wrong.

840
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: I agree.

841
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: I think two things can be true at the same time.

842
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: I think it can because I think for me, that's

843
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: a big part of why I'm here. My dad left

844
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: when I was five. You know, I lived with my grandma.

845
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: Some mom left for a bit. Mom, you know, died

846
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: from drugs, and I know she loved me. But you know,

847
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot of that, and I think I delivered

848
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: all I have all these you know, weapons because of that.

849
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: And it's awesome and it's awful, And I think two

850
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: things can be true at the same time.

851
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: And I think like you said, you just try to

852
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: manage it.

853
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: You try to walk that an impossible line because you

854
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: can't walk it right. But it's at least knowing that

855
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: you can't walk it right that makes it somewhat healthy.

856
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: People have to want to understand you. That is what

857
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: my husband Chad has taught me the most is I

858
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: mean I got every kind of like letter you could have,

859
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: adhd OCD, all the things, depression, anxiety, I am like

860
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 1: all over it, and I feel misunderstood permanently. That's where

861
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: I turned to music was as a child having feelings

862
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: and things was like, well, that's not how that happened,

863
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: or that's not real. I had my emotions dismissed constantly,

864
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: and so I started writing diary entries and poetry that

865
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: eventually turned into songs because that piece of paper never

866
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: talked back and never said what you're feeling is wrong.

867
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: So that's where it all started, was having those feelings

868
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: in that validation.

869
00:37:47,680 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

870
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

871
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: How do you do with praise? Let's say somebody praises

872
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: to you and they're like, hey man, you're really good,

873
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: Like how wow, you're killing it? How does it make

874
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: you feel this.

875
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Is so funny that you and I finally get to

876
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: talk in this time of my life when I'm having

877
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: a spiral and relooking at everything. But uh, I have

878
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome like most people do. I'm really struggling on

879
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: how to fill my cup in the praise area because

880
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: my talent, Like if you were to compliment my work ethic.

881
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: And because you can control your work ethic.

882
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: And resilience and determination, you can control that, then I'm flattered.

883
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Same if you compliment my talent, I opened my I

884
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: am not scared of anything. I can talk to a

885
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: fence post, not shy. My mama was playing the lee

886
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: Ane Rhyme's version of the National Anthem at the rodeo

887
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, turn that tape off. You got

888
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: the real deal in the flesh right here. Give me

889
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: a microphone and let me try and saying the National Anthem.

890
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: I have no control. I know my voice very well

891
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: off and a lot of time saying I never shut up,

892
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: so I know my instrument. But I I had nothing

893
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: to do with this gift and songwriting. I think you

894
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: can learn the craft. But having feelings pour out of

895
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: me so much that I feel like I'm gonna die

896
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: if I don't do something with them. That's also out

897
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: of my control. So I just feel like the talent

898
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: part is such a god given, ethereal thing that it's

899
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: like it's like saying I don't know. It's like compliment

900
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: something you had nothing to do with.

901
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 2: As if someone tells you they you're a great singer

902
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: and a great songwriter to your face, how do you feel.

903
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: Nom Is that good or bad?

904
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: I think it's bad, so you don't accept it.

905
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: It plays a small validation for me that like, I

906
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: think I'm more excited that they've heard of me.

907
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: What if someone says they don't think you're very good, it.

908
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't hurt me as bad?

909
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: Numb ummm.

910
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: That'll probably get to me before the good if I'm honest.

911
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that often does. When people tell me I'm talented,

912
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: I get offended.

913
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: I do know that because I listen to your stuff

914
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and I've heard you do that a million times. And

915
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: I was like, how am I going to compliment him

916
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: when I finally meet him, because he's gonna fight me.

917
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: But I am the same. I think it is that same,

918
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: like humble and like how we are.

919
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: Just I don't know that I'm humble. May I'm be

920
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: honest with you. I don't think I'm humble, really not

921
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: really have you ever been? I think I'm humble in

922
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: some areas.

923
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: I think I don't allow myself to be humble in

924
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: the creative space because I think I have control to

925
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: tell people when i'm good and tell people when I'm bad,

926
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: and I don't want anybody else telling me anything.

927
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I think my humbleness might have held me back in

928
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: some situations because, for example, recently, Ashley McBride has become

929
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: a big mentor of mine. I think she's somebody who

930
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: holds her integrity really close and I have learned a

931
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: lot from her. And we got to play the AIMPS together.

932
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, the Association of Independent

933
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: Music Publishers. Okay, it's an award show most like industry focused,

934
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: and I haven't got to do a lot of award

935
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: shows yet. So I got to perform for that one

936
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: and won an award, and it was a big deal

937
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: in me and Ashley were in the same green room

938
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: getting ready and she was like, how do you feel

939
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: about these award shows? And it's like, honestly, I am

940
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: just so excited to be included. I can't believe I

941
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: have my name on a green room I got invited

942
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 1: to this, Like, I'm grateful to friacking be here, and

943
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: she was like, I get that, but I'm going to

944
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: pass down some advice that Miranda gave to me. You

945
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: better start acting like you belong here. She was like,

946
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have these opportunities if they weren't meant for you,

947
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: and the whole I'm just so happy to be here.

948
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to lock that up. And we had

949
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: that conversation earlier this year, and I've been really looking

950
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: at the way I walk into opportunities lately because I

951
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: am super confident in at least my ability that I'm

952
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: giving you. I'm giving it. Hell, if you put a

953
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: microphone in front of my face, I have never ever

954
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: held back. And if I can find confidence in that,

955
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: then I think I can and like believe that I

956
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: deserve the praise.

957
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I think mine is. I don't want anybody

958
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: to control any narrative of me at.

959
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: All, So you don't want them to even like your

960
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: opinion doesn't matter.

961
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Don't talk good about me, don't talk about it. I

962
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: mean I'll do both. I'll do plenty of both. I'll

963
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: tell you how good am, I'll tell you how terrible

964
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: I am. I don't want anybody saying anything about me.

965
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: What's the good at?

966
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 3: Though?

967
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: When it's a subjective thing, how are you able to say?

968
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not saying it's healthier right by the way,

969
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that. So I didn't mean to interrupt you.

970
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Go ahead, No, I mean That's another thing, is like,

971
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: even if I feel I am very talented, but do

972
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: you need the like do I need everyone in the

973
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Why doesn't everyone know who I am? Why am I

974
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: not rich? Why don't I have a million? Number ones?

975
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: Like?

976
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: It feels like the talent part of it in this

977
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: industry is such an interesting spot because people just think

978
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: you're so talented and you should have all of these things,

979
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: when really those things have nothing to do with your talent.

980
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: What a mind.

981
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: It's a weird Venn diagram of being actually being really

982
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: good and then being rewarded for the good that everybody

983
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: thinks you are.

984
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.

985
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't there's not an answer to it because there's

986
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: no formula. Because I know people that are awesome that

987
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: for some reason didn't pop through. I know people that

988
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: are very mid that have massive careers, and it's crazy,

989
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: like there are people that have a bunch of number

990
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: ones that I know they're not a very good singer

991
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: and they have no charisma on stage, but they met

992
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: the right person. Yeah, they met the right person who

993
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: needed this type of artist and decided to push them through.

994
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: And then I have people who I know that are

995
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: a freaking plus who just never got that break.

996
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: And then it's the opposite. I know people who are.

997
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Awesome who got it, who figured it out. And so

998
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that there is a formula or I

999
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: think if there was a formula, all the best, the

1000
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: literal best at what they do, would be the ones

1001
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: that have all the awards. But then I think it's

1002
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: such a it's a human thing too, meaning people gotta

1003
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: like you.

1004
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: Like people have to like you or you're not going

1005
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: to make it.

1006
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: And not even just people in this business that's a

1007
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: big part of it, but also people that are like

1008
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: watching you on social media or they're watching your videos

1009
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: that are you know, come and spending money to come

1010
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: to a concert, Like if they don't like you, you

1011
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: can be the absolute best singer in the world. Like

1012
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: I was on American Idol for a bunch of years

1013
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: and the best singer never won, but the person that

1014
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: the people like the most ended up being a really

1015
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: good singer, but it was the most likable person. It's like,

1016
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: you have to be really good in like four or

1017
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: five areas. When I won Dancing with the Stars, I

1018
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: was a bad dancer, but people.

1019
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: Like me the most.

1020
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: And that's such a valuable part of well life in general.

1021
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: I don't care if you want to get a bank

1022
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: or a dairy farm or here. If people like you,

1023
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: they want to be around you, and so they're going

1024
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: to do things for you to hopefully be around you

1025
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: more and help you get to those positions. And so

1026
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: I think that's been a hard lesson for me. It's

1027
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: not just show up and work the hardest in everybody else.

1028
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: It's also you got to kind of be likable too.

1029
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: Which sucks. And let me ask you, like, do you

1030
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: think I have so many questions? My brain is I'm

1031
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: so eighty I need to pop another atter all currently,

1032
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: probably what did you just say that?

1033
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 3: Was? You know what's funny about Aderall?

1034
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: I was talking to Brett Eldridge on this about it

1035
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: where I had ad a few strokes, like a schemic strokes.

1036
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: That's not casual.

1037
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: It's not.

1038
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: But I was telling him because he's not never taken Adderall.

1039
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm actually on Ridlin, not Adderall.

1040
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: I've never had Ridlin.

1041
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying some things out.

1042
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: I loved Adderall for it like popped me back. I

1043
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: haven't taken it in maybe years at this point, but man,

1044
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: it popped me back into shape. It is like it

1045
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: it stimulated my brain back for the first time after

1046
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: my strokes.

1047
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: So how do you take it regularly? Because that's what

1048
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: I find interesting about ADHD is I go to the

1049
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: doctor and I'm like, I can't remember to eat food.

1050
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm losing weight so drastically, because that's how the issues

1051
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: I have with my attention, and they're like, cool, start

1052
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: taking this pill every single morning and every night or sometimes.

1053
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: In the I'm phone reminders.

1054
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: My problem is I can't do anything regularly. So now

1055
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: you want me to take three pills a day on

1056
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: top of it?

1057
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: Sounds good, it's off phone reminders, it's just to tell

1058
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: it to do that. What's so you take rid aline slow?

1059
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 2: Really is rittling slow release?

1060
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I started on slow release, and now I am on

1061
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: a lower dose that I can take twice a day.

1062
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: Songwriter schedules are in a touring artist, I know two

1063
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: days are the same for me. I'm not like waking

1064
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: up at the same time every day. If I had

1065
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: a late show and didn't get to my next venue

1066
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: till three am, I'm sleeping as long as I possibly can.

1067
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: And so I was taking that extended release sometimes at

1068
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: eleven am, and it was keeping up forever. So we're

1069
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: trying this now. But man, I'm stubborn, and I self

1070
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: sabotage like nobody's business, because if I go ahead and

1071
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: make things hard for myself, there's a comfort in that

1072
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: for me, which I know is insane, but like, I

1073
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: expect things to be hard, and if I control the

1074
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: hard then somehow that's a mon thing I've made up,

1075
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: and so I sabotage myself. Is your husband in the business, No,

1076
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: he's a mobile mechanic and.

1077
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: He is is that as Is that awesome for you?

1078
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, but also horrible because you have a

1079
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: person who is just using basic knowledge of the world

1080
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: and doesn't have the subtle things that Nashville and the

1081
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,959
Speaker 1: music industry have taught us. So when something, I mean,

1082
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: any contract you sign in this town is stupid. It

1083
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: makes no sense in business if you take out the

1084
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: potential things that signing a record deal or something could

1085
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: do for you. If you're just talking to somebody who

1086
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: doesn't know about me, that is the dumbest thing you

1087
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: could do. So that is the worst thing about having

1088
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: him is he does pull me out of when I

1089
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: get in this like Nashville world, He's like, does that

1090
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: even make sense? Or is that just the way they

1091
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Why do we do things that way? But mostly he

1092
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: is He's super quiet where opposites in the best way.

1093
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm an enneagram eight. Do you know your aneagram? Oh

1094
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: my god.

1095
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1096
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: We're either going to be best friends or do challenge

1097
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: every Yes forever. I challenge everything, and I can actually

1098
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: argue points I don't even agree with.

1099
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 3: I do it all the time.

1100
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: Sometimes I commit to it and I'm like, I know

1101
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, but man, I'm already committed.

1102
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: So we love a healthy debate. I want to just

1103
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: have friends that I can just be like, let's pick something,

1104
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: go at it, and be like, all right, see you later.

1105
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: But my husband is not that at all. He is

1106
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: so passive and he doesn't I don't mean to say

1107
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't care about He just wants me to be

1108
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: happy and chase my dream and supports me. So he

1109
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: doesn't you have. It's funny this town. Like he's been

1110
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: on tour with me this year, stepping in as my team.

1111
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm still I'm getting big opportunities now and don't have

1112
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: the team in place that I need. So we're just

1113
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: trying to do the best that we can. And I've

1114
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: had people be like, your husband on the road with

1115
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: you is weird, or like you can't have your husband

1116
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: around this, Like everyone's gonna think he makes all your

1117
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: decisions for you, and like, well, who cares, because he don't.

1118
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: He is my partner in life and supports me. And

1119
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: if I want his opinion, I'll get it. But this

1120
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: is my business and I'm running it and I don't

1121
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: care what you think. He's also like an emotional support

1122
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: human on the road. And we're going to states I've

1123
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: never he's from Arkadelphia. We met when I was in

1124
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: school at Henderson and we've never been to Maine, and

1125
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, all these places, and we're getting to do

1126
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: that together. And so that's another, like, it's just it's

1127
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: constantly fighting what I think this has to be like,

1128
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: And for the first time ever, I'm like, what what

1129
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: if I could just make all my own damn rules.

1130
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: So my wife is great about sometimes separating me from

1131
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: the because it's not reality, but from what I think

1132
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: is reality, yes, and her going, hey, that's not real world.

1133
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: You you know, I know you're concerned about this, but

1134
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 2: that's actually not really what matters the most, Like there

1135
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: are fundamental things that we should care about, and this

1136
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: is not one of them. You're spending way too much

1137
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: time invested in something that doesn't matter a lick or

1138
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: even goals. Like I'm at my wife and you know,

1139
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: she has no interest in this business. She does not

1140
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 2: want to be public. She is, you know, somebody comes

1141
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: from like she did, like a oil and gas commodity.

1142
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: So everything with her is she's very, very smart, but

1143
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: lending you. And so I am not lenear at all.

1144
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,479
Speaker 2: Nothing about this job is lenear. I can't do something

1145
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 2: and just know if I do a good job that

1146
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: it's going to be wildly successful. You got to do

1147
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: a good job and hope or sometimes you do a

1148
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: bad job and it turns out wildly successful.

1149
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 3: There's there's really no you know, rhyme or reason to

1150
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 3: a lot of this.

1151
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: Stuff, and especially when it comes to like family, when

1152
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: it comes to things that will be here in ten years,

1153
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: she resets me a lot where she's like, you are

1154
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: investing a lot of emotional energy and something that's not

1155
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: going to matter to you in six days, and you're

1156
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: giving it a month's worth of emotional energy and it

1157
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: is not going to matter to you in anything more

1158
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: than six days. And for me, because she's not in

1159
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: this world, yep, that's been great. Now there are times

1160
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: where it's frustrating because she just doesn't understand, like my

1161
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 2: brain and why it works the way it does. But

1162
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: it's like a ninety three percent success rate at our

1163
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: relationship and her not being in the business helping me

1164
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 2: sometimes recenter myself.

1165
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think. I mean, I've written songs about

1166
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: how I think in I've seen romantic relationships go wrong

1167
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: every possible way they could. I ain't seen a lot

1168
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: of them go right. But I have learned in my

1169
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: own marriage, I don't think your spouse is supposed to

1170
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: be your everything. You're not gonna get everything you need

1171
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: out of this one person. And so I have my

1172
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: music community of people I can talk to, and when

1173
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: they're talking, I know they actually get a certain part

1174
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: of it. But you know, when I want to ask

1175
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: them certain questions, I know they're just as their view

1176
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: is as tarnished as mine is. So then I have

1177
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: my friends who are not in music at all. But

1178
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: like I think, it's just about having that community around

1179
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: you and not putting that pressure on your spouse to

1180
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: be your absolute every kind of intellectual stimulation and advice

1181
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: like you could ever need, because I don't think I

1182
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: can't be that for him. He's got to have people

1183
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: to explain engines too, because I try to act like

1184
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: I know what's happened and I don't. But yeah, I mean,

1185
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: it's crucial to have those people in our life, and

1186
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know about you, but I definitely

1187
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: did not think. I mean, I had chosen to be

1188
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: lonely for this entire thing, because oh.

1189
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: I never thought I was going to get married. Never, No,

1190
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: because I didn't think anyone. I thought people would want

1191
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: to marry me just because if I got.

1192
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: There's that, there's that would you say you're not humble?

1193
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: Here's an example.

1194
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: Well, listen.

1195
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: I thought everyone would. I didn't think I was trouble

1196
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: bag and a girl like they right.

1197
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: I didn't because I was starting to get rich and

1198
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: I was starting to get famous. Well, and that's when

1199
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: it got easy and so I and so then it's

1200
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 2: like experience, it's it's it's different, it's different.

1201
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, somebody will want to marry me,

1202
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: but they'll be never.

1203
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: There won't be anybody wants to marry me for like me,

1204
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 2: like the actual human part of.

1205
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: Me, because we're ugly and inside and out.

1206
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 2: Then once I found it, I was like, why what's

1207
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: wrong with you to want to marry me or want

1208
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: to be with me? I struggle with that for a

1209
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: long time because I was like, you're actually awesome. Why

1210
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: in the world would you want to be with me

1211
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: whenever you can and like see the real parts of me?

1212
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: And that that was a difficult, uh, like a seminar

1213
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: I had to like put myself into. And then it's like, well,

1214
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: if she loves me, why do I not love me?

1215
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: Like there's got to be something here that's redeemable because

1216
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: I don't feel like anything is really that redeemable about

1217
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: me because I've just been doing it by myself, very

1218
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: selfish really and not selfishly as I want to keep everything.

1219
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: But like it was only I only cared really about

1220
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: me because I was the only one to care about.

1221
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think her, her not being creative brained

1222
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: like as a job, helped me tremendously.

1223
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: Like family.

1224
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: I never had a family, so her coming in with

1225
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 2: a strong family and like, hey, this is important to me.

1226
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 3: And I fought it hard.

1227
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: I thought, even after we got married, like hey, I'm

1228
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: just going to go off for a couple of days,

1229
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: go towards she'said, well, no, no, no, we talk about this stuff,

1230
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: like we both have something to say, you know, we

1231
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: don't just run off, and she cares about and I

1232
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: like would push back hard, like no, no, I'm an adult.

1233
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Those type of situations are eight.

1234
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: You can't oh god, don't try to hold us down.

1235
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I challenge everything, and now she will challenge me

1236
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: in the opposite direction that she actually wants because she

1237
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: knows I will push back, but the actual way I'm

1238
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: pushing is the way that she wants, so she'll just

1239
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 2: it's but I do that with her being late places.

1240
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: They can spin us around. Yeah, that's the worst when

1241
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: you get so vulnerable with somebody, I'm like, you can

1242
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,720
Speaker 1: spin me around.

1243
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

1244
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1245
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: What's been going good for you?

1246
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Well? Exposure. I think that's what I've tried to set

1247
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: my sights on because I do believe in my gift

1248
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: and my talent and my story. So I feel like

1249
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm trying to get it to people.

1250
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: I know it's not for everybody, but I know it's

1251
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: for a lot of people and they just don't even

1252
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: know it exists, is how I feel. I've been like

1253
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: screaming my name from the rooftops, trying to find my people.

1254
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: So it feels like I've been given a few industry

1255
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: opportunities lately, specifically that have put me in front of

1256
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people, and that is validation. I will

1257
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: say that that getting to play like we got to

1258
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: go on tour with Luke Bryan this summer, which was

1259
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: the biggest opportunity I've gotten, touring twenty thousand people a

1260
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: night that did not come to see me. Half of

1261
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: them could care less I'm up there, but it is

1262
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: a chance for me to if anybody is listening to

1263
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: get them and to see the people that then you

1264
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: have a physical thing to hang on to, Like I

1265
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: see those people go follow me on socials and they

1266
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: all start commenting I saw you and so and so,

1267
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: and I saw you and so and so and so.

1268
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,479
Speaker 1: That has been something I can actually hold on to lately,

1269
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: where I'm like, Okay, if I can get in front

1270
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: of somebody, I can win them over and like. But

1271
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: obviously that's discouraging too when you're like, I gotta build

1272
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: them one at a time. This is gonna take me.

1273
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on my wall talker at eighty years old,

1274
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: like I finally a sustainable audience.

1275
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 3: So Luke's awesome, though, huh.

1276
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: Luke is a wild man. Luke brought us on stage

1277
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: for our first night to sing with him. It was

1278
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: me George, which, thank god George is.

1279
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that was that's how George.

1280
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: Well, you guys might not you a lot of ways.

1281
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that's how you guys know each other.

1282
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: George and I wrote have written songs together for several years.

1283
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: But he was good buddies with my producer and one

1284
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: of my best friends Paul Sykes, who also wrote a

1285
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: bunch of Matt Stell's stuff. But George was out there

1286
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 1: and Cole Goodwin and Luke wouldn't tell us what song

1287
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: we were singing before we went out, and was just

1288
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: like being so funny, like you guys better get ready,

1289
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm about to throw you in the fire. And so

1290
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: everyone's just kind of like, oh, and that's again I'm

1291
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: grateful for the resilience, because I was like, Luke Brian,

1292
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: I have been waiting on this moment my whole damn life.

1293
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: You do whatever you think you need to do. You're

1294
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: not finna scare me or embarrass me. I am finna

1295
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: blow your mind. Let's go. And luckily I know just

1296
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: about every song that's ever existed. I'm that's where a

1297
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: lot of my common sense was supposed to be. I'm afraid.

1298
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: But we got out there and we did pick up

1299
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: man and and nobody knew what verse. We were all

1300
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, can you imagine, like it's chaos

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00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: and there's twenty thousand people screaming and Luke Bryan, who

1302
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: you haven't even met, is here and he just looks

1303
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: at you and you're like, all right, take the verse

1304
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: we did that one we did courtesy of the Red, White,

1305
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: and Blue, and he like lifts me up and puts

1306
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: me on a speaker and has me do the big note,

1307
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: and I'm just like I'm ready, I'm ready, and then

1308
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: he goes into living on a Prayer. Bon Jovi and

1309
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: George Burge and Cole Good when both look at me

1310
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: and panic and they're like, oh no, I don't know

1311
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: this one. And I'm like, step aside, boys, and I

1312
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: got my friends skirt on, and I'm like, here I go,

1313
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: and me and Luke just like rocked it and it

1314
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: was all out of body. But that's the only way

1315
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: this stuff comes to me is I get no prep

1316
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't get to like I could knock it out

1317
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: of the park if I could be prepared for the opportunities.

1318
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: But that's never how they come to me. They are like,

1319
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: you better be ready, and you better just believe that

1320
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: it ain't going to be perfect, but you're meant for

1321
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: the opportunity when it hits you. And so that Looke

1322
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: tour was like that, and I studied him so close,

1323
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: and you talk about a crew that's like been together.

1324
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: A long time and so really good people.

1325
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at is it's important to know how

1326
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: to build your team, and especially when you have the

1327
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: personalities we do, like I am difficult in a lot

1328
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: of ways. I have really high expectations for myself and

1329
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: that transfers to the people around me. And I don't

1330
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: know how that works out for me because I can't

1331
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: expect everyone around me to have the same absolute insanity

1332
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: work ethic. But I do have to make sure I

1333
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: like have my people that match me in the same way.

1334
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: I guess you have found something like that in your

1335
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: team that you've built.

1336
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Speaker 3: Did you ever do the Barn thing where you just

1337
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: sing all the covers all the time?

1338
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: Nope. I started chasing a publishing deal as soon as

1339
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: I got here because I was in a friend group

1340
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: of people who never did the Broadway thing. They were

1341
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: session musicians and staff songwriters, and I was convinced if

1342
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: I got down on Broadway it was going to take

1343
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: me away from my original career and then I would

1344
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: get sucked into it. Yeah, which now I don't. I

1345
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: think everybody has their own path. I don't think there's

1346
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: anything wrong with Broadway. I think those are some of

1347
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: the best performers. You're ever going to see because they

1348
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: have done it, they could do it in their sleep.

1349
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: They're entertaining a crowd, a party crowd, every day. So

1350
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: I think there are skills you can only learn on Broadway.

1351
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just I worked. I folded panties at

1352
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret instead of playing cover gigs, and built my

1353
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: catalog of songs.

1354
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: Which one of these songs because I was your your

1355
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: EP's your name, it's Sele's self title? Which one of

1356
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 2: the songs? And maybe they're in for places has the

1357
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 2: most traction? And are they different? Because sometimes you know,

1358
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 2: it'll something I'll blow up on TikTok and really won't

1359
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: do much on Instagram, but it'll stream it and like

1360
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: where's all that set?

1361
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is it depends where where the

1362
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 1: traction is. Like my mom called me two days ago

1363
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: and goes, how's the EP doing? And I was like,

1364
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: in what context? Because I don't even know how to

1365
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: answer that these days.

1366
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 2: And that was even a hard question to ask because

1367
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: now I know what you mean. It can be SI,

1368
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: there can be a we'll just do a song. There

1369
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: can be a song like will mister fix it? Right?

1370
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister fix it was a TikTok pop off.

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 3: For sure, it crushes and you're like, man, I really

1372
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: thought it would do.

1373
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: Better, but streams don't reflect it yet, right. But I

1374
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: had three thousand uh you know ugcs within two hours

1375
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: of posting that song with me singing it in my

1376
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: car before I ever recorded it for the first time,

1377
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: like that kind of engagement, but it doesn't translate to streams.

1378
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: And then my song I better go off. The ep

1379
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: I hear just got out to Diehard Countries Women of

1380
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: Country which way, that's me my first time to have

1381
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: a song played on them.

1382
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 3: You're welcome radio.

1383
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, thank you sir. That is a gigantic deal

1384
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: for me. And so that song is showing it's you know,

1385
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: raising a hand. The Highway just added it to on

1386
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: the horizon. This is my first song to ever have

1387
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: on the Highway. And I've been beating these doors down

1388
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: for ten years in this town.

1389
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 3: So it's crazy.

1390
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: One can do one place and another does another. But

1391
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 2: currencies all eyeballs and earballs at this point, like it

1392
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how you get them.

1393
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: That drives me insane.

1394
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter how you.

1395
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: Get like you got to it's gotta be cool, And

1396
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: like or.

1397
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: You can be so not cool that it's cool, Like

1398
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 3: that's also cool.

1399
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: I think I just have to stop caring, yes so much,

1400
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: And I'm almost there.

1401
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: And I read Amy Poeler's book once and she was like, yeah,

1402
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 2: I really made it once I stopped caring, that I

1403
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: made it, and I was like, I think about that

1404
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: all the time because I can't. I can get close

1405
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: to not caring and just be like, f I don't care,

1406
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: but I can't get there.

1407
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: But is that even healthy for people like us? If

1408
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: if I stop caring, I think I'm dead in the water.

1409
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: If I stop caring, Like I have to have bankle

1410
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: surgery coming up in a couple of weeks, and I'm like,

1411
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 2: you know what, cause I stay pretty active and workout.

1412
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm who cares, I'm not gonna work out

1413
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: at all because I'm gonna have bankle surgery and I'm

1414
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 2: after like a month where I'm not doing anything, so

1415
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 2: like I don't even want to walk anywhere now, not

1416
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: because I'm e cool, because.

1417
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: I'm like that's too much exercise.

1418
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: Like when I don't care about something at all, it's

1419
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: like I don't even I don't think.

1420
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: So if I stop caring. I think I just won't

1421
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 3: do anything.

1422
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that part of our personality is black and white,

1423
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: all or nothing. We don't, which is good about us,

1424
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: but also bad if we have.

1425
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: Are you a the addictive personality?

1426
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, but luckily I haven't tried any hard

1427
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: drugs or I would really lock them me too.

1428
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 3: We should do them together.

1429
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm done.

1430
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 3: I guess I'm heroin. I bring it in for the

1431
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 3: first time for both of us.

1432
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: I think we should do meth or something to nod to.

1433
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 2: Our art, not to all the trailers and campers that

1434
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: blew up from where we're from.

1435
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: I am proud that we both made it out with

1436
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: auto meth addiction.

1437
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 3: That is, you know, I understand what's you know?

1438
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: The wild thing about that is when people talk about

1439
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: the opioid crisis like it's to me and like I

1440
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: get it. I understand why and how people get addicted

1441
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: to opioids.

1442
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 3: They're cheap.

1443
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: Life sucks, and why would you not make it life

1444
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: feel good for a couple of minutes cheaply when life

1445
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: sucks so.

1446
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: Bad, especially when you're doctor prescribed it to you because

1447
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: you had a surgery, and then they are making money

1448
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: and like there's a whole crooked system. But that's the

1449
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I make music about. Like that is

1450
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: why my story is so important and why I feel

1451
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: so convicted to keep writing songs and get them out

1452
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: to people and do all this fruit through glam and

1453
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: part of this that I hate. I'm a horrible girl.

1454
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: I hate all of that showman politician stuff. But I

1455
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: believe I got something to say, and I believe I

1456
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: can make people feel understood or less alone or something

1457
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: that I'm searching for, and so I think that's somehow

1458
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: the motivation. But I sing about that stuff. I have

1459
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: a song called Leave that's begging my dad to leave

1460
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 1: my mom, never ever look back, just take your shit

1461
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: and get gone. And I thought that was so personal

1462
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: and people are able to put all their own stories

1463
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: into it. And I've sing about the drug addiction. You

1464
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: know that's I have friends that were born into it

1465
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: and had no chance in hell of ever not becoming

1466
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: an addict. There was no way unless they took off

1467
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: on foot and never came back. They were born into

1468
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: it and there was no way around it.

1469
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: When you say that, I had one of those type

1470
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: moments when I wrote my first book and I wrote

1471
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: a lot about different parts of my life growing up,

1472
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: and I was there's a fine line between sharing and

1473
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: being embarrassed of it. And I wrote some stuff and

1474
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: I really had to consider if I wanted to put

1475
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: it in. But I wanted to be completely honest with

1476
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: my story, so I'll put it in. I felt like

1477
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have represented me as a whole package. How

1478
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: to not put these certain stories in the book? And

1479
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 2: a lot of it was my mom's drug abuse and

1480
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: a lot of the situations that happened from that, not

1481
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: even just the drugs. And I was like, man, I

1482
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: don't people to feel sorry for me either. But it

1483
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: turns out it was the exact opposite the things I

1484
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: thought nobody would relate to. It wasn't even they exactly

1485
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: lived the same life or had the same shared experience,

1486
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: but it was very similar. And they'd say, hey, I

1487
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: read your book. You know what really struck me? And

1488
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: it would be that one or two things. I'd be

1489
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: really it was almost embarrassed about writing that I thought

1490
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: nobody would relate to. Either they would think I was weird,

1491
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: or they would feel sorry for me. I didn't want either,

1492
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 2: And it turns out that was the most relatable thing

1493
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 2: that I could have written. And that was a real

1494
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 2: learning lesson for me because I did it and it

1495
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 2: felt really uncomfortable. But then and I thought, nobody relates

1496
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: except everybody. Everybody that I would talk to would be like,

1497
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 2: that's like the main thing. So when you say that

1498
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 2: about songs and you're going, man, it feels super personal

1499
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: and people are like they've assigned their own story to

1500
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: your songs very similar.

1501
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even the validation you get because sometimes it's

1502
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: not even about the song or like, like I talk

1503
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: about how your journey inspired me. That is something I'm

1504
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: starting to learn is the bravery that I have to

1505
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: potentially fail at this over and over again. People have

1506
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: told me that inspires them that when they're like, I'm

1507
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: scared to take this tiny step, Like your story and

1508
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: your just dream chasing and audacity has inspired me to

1509
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: ask for a raise at my job for a random

1510
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: example in my head. But like, it is way bigger

1511
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 1: than you and I could even fathom the way that

1512
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: we are truly able to affect people. And that's an

1513
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: enormous amount of pressure that can crush me on some days,

1514
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: and some days it's like this is magic we truly

1515
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: have a magical power if we can figure out how

1516
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: to harness it.

1517
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 2: We have perspective, and we didn't want it, we got it. Yep,

1518
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 2: we would I wouldn't have signed up for it. I

1519
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gone up.

1520
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: You know, everybody about to be born. Here's what's up.

1521
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 3: Sign over this line.

1522
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: You can get dash of abandonment.

1523
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: I think I want to not signed up for any

1524
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 3: of that.

1525
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: But you know, we took what was handed to us,

1526
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: and so far you know where they say we we uh,

1527
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: what are they?

1528
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: We're making the money?

1529
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's another one a little little grosser than that.

1530
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 2: But yes, well look, it's super awesome to get to

1531
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: spend some time with you again. You come highly recommended,

1532
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: not from people going which is a great singer, because

1533
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: everybody's a great singer.

1534
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,479
Speaker 3: Here you are you know that you're really good.

1535
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 2: You're great even, but like people that really like you,

1536
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: and like I said, you have to be liked. And

1537
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: my friends that I trust, George just wanted them.

1538
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 3: There's a few of them.

1539
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't need to say them all here, but we're like, hey,

1540
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: you should talk to me. She's really amazing, and so yeah,

1541
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 2: I see it now.

1542
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: I was going to say, what's your verdict?

1543
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 2: Honest, people, my verdict doesn't matter, is what my verdict is.

1544
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 2: But like, I'm rooting for you. That's my verdict.

1545
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1546
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for you because.

1547
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 2: Man, it sucks and it's hard and it's awesome and

1548
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: all of that, all that can be true. I think

1549
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: my wife taught me that that multiple things can be

1550
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: true at once. Yeah, I definitely did not think that

1551
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: it was it was only one way. I was gonna

1552
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 2: sign myself to the way. Whatever it was was the way,

1553
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: and that's it. But multiple things can be true at once,

1554
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 2: and it's really hard and it's really awesome in some

1555
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: days more than others, and both can be true at

1556
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 2: the same time. Yeah, congratulations on everything.

1557
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Amazing.

1558
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: What's up?

1559
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: So, what's what's I hate this question because I get

1560
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 2: asked it and there's not a good answer to it.

1561
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna ask it to you because it's miserable, Like,

1562
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 2: what's what's next.

1563
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna keep touring our butts off, and anybody

1564
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: who will call me and take me on tour, I'm

1565
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna be out there. We're going to see to see

1566
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,879
Speaker 1: the first time, so we'll go overseas and super excited

1567
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: about that. I want to make my first record so desperately.

1568
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 3: Does this not count because an EP who cares about records?

1569
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: This is I care about a record?

1570
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 2: Well, that's because, oh this is perfect. We're gonna do

1571
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 2: five more minutes on this, Because why do you care.

1572
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 3: About a record? Because you've always cared about a record?

1573
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: Because I care about having your attention for more than

1574
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: three and a half minutes, because I got a bigger

1575
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: story to tell, and I feel like the small gaps

1576
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: of like, and I know our attention spans. You can't

1577
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: keep my attention for longer than that. Like, But I

1578
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: think it's if.

1579
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 3: You always wanted a record for fifteen years.

1580
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to leave a record behind.

1581
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: Okay, I've always wanted to host an award show. My

1582
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: wife came to me, and I would just get want

1583
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: to like stab my eyeballs out with a fork when

1584
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get the job hosting the awards, or I

1585
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: would get a job and they'd pull it, or you know,

1586
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: with the ACMs, I'm like Reba's right hand man, but

1587
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: I'm not the host, and my wife's like, I know

1588
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: that's been your thing for like fifteen years, but you

1589
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: do You've done things way bigger than that, and you're

1590
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: still so assigned to that because it's what you like

1591
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 2: attached yourself to fifteen years ago, and you feel like

1592
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 2: if you change that that you're somehow a failure.

1593
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 3: Like you gotta let that go. I'm not saying I

1594
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 3: don'tant to make a record. Be awesome, to make a record.

1595
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: Your wife looking for another therapy.

1596
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 2: So I think she has to get me there because

1597
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: I go crazy, like I'm constantly she sounds amazing, I'm

1598
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: constantly miserable and going I'm miserable. It's over and with

1599
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 2: a life you built, I'm washed up. It's craziest, it's

1600
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 2: over all of that. But I was so assigned to

1601
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to host a freaking award show, and if

1602
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: I don't, I suck. And if you don't ever make

1603
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: a record and you make songs, that's awesome, you're right,

1604
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right, But make a record, like

1605
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: I still want to host an award show.

1606
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, and you'll make a record and it'll be great.

1607
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 3: But it ain't all about the record.

1608
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: You've wanted to make a record for a long time,

1609
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: and you've attached your success to making that freaking record.

1610
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 3: It ain't about the record, No.

1611
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: My goal for the next year is to learn to

1612
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: like myself half as much as a whole lot of

1613
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: people do, and believe some of the nice things they

1614
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: say about me, keep being honest and vulnerable in my

1615
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: music more than I'm I feel like I have been

1616
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: so much, but I think I've actually been really holding

1617
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: back because I'm in the same way you were, or like,

1618
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: I'm terrified to let that ugly out because I show

1619
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 1: a lot of my ugly and I'm already like people

1620
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: acknowledge the rough around the edges, but I'm like, no,

1621
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: I could really scare you. But I got to tap

1622
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: into that. I want to keep getting less and less

1623
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: of a filter and being unapologetic and honest and in

1624
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: every facet of that I want. I want to make money.

1625
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: I want to not be worried about paying my bills,

1626
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: and I want to be able to take care of

1627
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: people I love if they need me. And I want

1628
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: to afford the ability to take time off if I

1629
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: need it. Like, those are my goals, and so I

1630
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: think you're right. I need to focus on those instead

1631
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 1: of it's a number one song, it's a record, it's

1632
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: an award show, it's somebody in this town totaling me.

1633
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: I matter. I'm in the process of shifting all of

1634
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: those goals.

1635
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 2: You'll never shift totally away from it, but at least

1636
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 2: having the awareness that that shouldn't always be the focus.

1637
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 3: Because I'm the same.

1638
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: I still want all the same stuff, but I when

1639
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't get it, I can go. You've assigned too

1640
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 2: much value to it.

1641
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: It took me ten years, but I'm getting there.

1642
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: Oh you're in ten more years, you'll be like and

1643
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: I was such You're like I was so naive even

1644
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: ten years ago. I'm proud of you. I'm proud for you.

1645
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm not proud of you. I'm proud for you. There's

1646
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: a difference and make a record. I can't wait for

1647
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 2: you make a record, but that I hope that's not

1648
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: what you're assigned to as far as like that success

1649
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: is making a record.

1650
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: I think you made a record. You have five songs.

1651
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm super proud of it.

1652
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Yeah, good to talk with you. Everybody

1653
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: likes you that I know, and so I like you,

1654
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: and I like you now. But sometimes people come in

1655
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 2: here and I like, and then I leave and I'm like, oh,

1656
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 2: that wasn't even really. Then, if you walk out here

1657
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 2: with a British accent, I'm a totally feel played.

1658
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 1: I was about to say, if you check out anything

1659
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: I do, ever, I think you don't know exactly who

1660
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: I am. I don't. I would be a lot further

1661
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: along if I knew how to fake it.

1662
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,799
Speaker 2: I believe that I used to try. I just couldn't

1663
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 2: remember the lies I was telling, so I had to

1664
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 2: stop lying.

1665
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: You could just see it all. It's a physical reaction

1666
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: when I'm having to fake it. That's why I'm horrible

1667
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: in this industry is it's like, go schmooze. This dinner

1668
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: is just about getting them.

1669
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 3: To like you did you do radio tour thing?

1670
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: Loosely? The last two years, every show I've played, we've made.

1671
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: I kind of love that stuff, Bobby. I'm actually I'm

1672
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: a people person.

1673
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:08,879
Speaker 3: I'm not a people person.

1674
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: But I want to be real with them. I don't

1675
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: want I don't want you to. You're not gonna sit

1676
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: here and just lie to me and bullshit me and

1677
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: me do that back. I can't do that, but I

1678
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: can connect with anybody on anything. And so that's why

1679
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: I have this naive thing that like I can talk

1680
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: to a radio person and be like I interned at

1681
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: a radio station. I went to school for radio. Like

1682
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: what brought you to this? You got the same crazy

1683
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,759
Speaker 1: I do, and somehow a passion you're chasing. Let's bond

1684
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,120
Speaker 1: on that. But you got to fight people because they

1685
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: have their like thing put up where it's I don't

1686
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: know people. People can only be as honest with you

1687
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: as they are with themselves. And that is the biggest

1688
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 1: thing I have learned in the political networking part of this.

1689
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not good at that. And you got who

1690
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: you are today. That's who I am, and I know

1691
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: that with you, and that's what I respect about you.

1692
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: And so when you say when you say a compliment

1693
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,839
Speaker 1: or something, I actually it does have more weight because

1694
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 1: I know you don't just throw that stuff around.

1695
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 3: Well, keep going, that's all. Keep going. It's awesome.

1696
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,719
Speaker 2: I think you're going to continue to be an inspiration

1697
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: to a lot of people who are thinking about doing

1698
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: this and end up doing this because they saw someone

1699
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 2: like you do this that didn't come from a place

1700
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,480
Speaker 2: where it was offered.

1701
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe this would work out

1702
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: for me. I have no reason to believe I can

1703
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: do this all right.

1704
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 3: I'll be watching, keep watching, all right.

1705
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 4: Thanks man, Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production