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Speaker 1: which I you know, I tried to throw out there

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Speaker 1: the door open. Um. You know, at one point the

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Speaker 1: Russians were providing air strikes for the Kurds and Afron

425
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Speaker 1: because at that point they were fighting ISIS and other

426
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Speaker 1: bad guys. Um, but this is because we never went

427
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Speaker 1: into Afrina and we as Americans, that kind of has

428
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Speaker 1: left the door open for Turkey to attack, Like the

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Speaker 1: Turks can't go and attack the other cantons because there's

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Speaker 1: American troops there, right and uh, and the you know,

431
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Speaker 1: Department of Defense and Rex Tillerson at the Department of State,

432
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Speaker 1: they've all said, like, we might actually make permanent bases here. Well,

433
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Speaker 1: I mean it would make sense too, because I mean

434
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Speaker 1: you can kind of see that playing out because they

435
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Speaker 1: are as of right now, our only real staging point

436
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Speaker 1: in the Middle East is Turkey. And and I feel

437
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Speaker 1: like our long term goal was kind of in backing

438
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Speaker 1: the Serian courage is like, hey, yeah, we're gonna we

439
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: want a presence here because Seri is like that's perfect,

440
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: that's uh, that puts some range of a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah,

441
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: well Turkey would be important. And you have to remember

442
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Speaker 1: that this is on the minds in the back of

443
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Speaker 1: the minds of people in the Pentagon, is that in

444
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Speaker 1: Sirlick is where we allegedly have nuclear weapons stored in case,

445
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Speaker 1: you know, something popped off. And also that Turkey would

446
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: be a pretty big staging ground if we ever did

447
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Speaker 1: go and to go to war with Iran or who

448
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: knows what other bad actor in the Middle East. So yeah,

449
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if Yeah, you have to

450
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: wonder what the strategic thinking is, UM. Are they really

451
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Speaker 1: thinking like, oh, we're going to move our logistical hub

452
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: from Turkey to northern Syria? Like I don't think that.

453
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't think we're that far along with anything. But

454
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Speaker 1: what what I in my opinion anyway, is I think

455
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: it's an attempt at strategic ambiguity that we're going to

456
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Speaker 1: keep troops there and it keeps every all the players

457
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: in the region off base, like they don't really know

458
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Speaker 1: what to think. They don't really know what our next

459
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: move is going to be, and that's kind of the intention.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a that's I think that's actually a

461
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Speaker 1: very smart way of looking at my my two cents anyway,

462
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure other people have differing opinions. Time will definitely tell. Yeah.

463
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Speaker 1: And then another thing I wanted to get into with you,

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Speaker 1: UM that I thought was interesting, and you wrote an

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Speaker 1: article about Peshmerga has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 1: You wrote an article about this UM where it talks

467
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Speaker 1: about him Monshoe Gulatia, lawmaker for Norway's Progressive Party, making

468
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Speaker 1: the nominations pesch Murga have been crucial to the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have been able to fight Isis, which I

470
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: believe is the greatest enemy of humanity. Without the sacrifices

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Speaker 1: of the pesch Murga victims of the front line of

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Speaker 1: the on the battle against Isis, Isis probably would be

473
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Speaker 1: bigger and more powerful than they are today. Um. And

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Speaker 1: then you're kind of joking about this with me yesterday

475
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: and the phone were like, if they get a Nobel

476
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Speaker 1: Peace Prize, do I get a Nobel Peace Prize because

477
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty cool. Uh No, it was funny because uh, well,

478
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: I mean one, it's it's Um. I think it's excellent

479
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Speaker 1: for the Uh. Uh they should be nominated because the Peschmurga,

480
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, fought and blended, did a lot of good

481
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Speaker 1: things and a lot of putting a lot of manpower

482
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Speaker 1: and time into fighting Isis in their their region. Uh.

483
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Speaker 1: You know, it is interesting that they haven't. He didn't

484
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Speaker 1: mentioned the Syrian Curds because I feel like they have

485
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: done as much apart as the Peshmerga have, and they

486
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Speaker 1: were Almos they were also a unified front from all

487
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: the way down and kirk Cook all the way up

488
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Speaker 1: north through the KRG and then across the border into

489
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Syria Um and that that front ended, you know, over

490
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: where Kobani is because Afrin and Kobani were geographically separated.

491
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Speaker 1: There are a bunch of bad guys in between them,

492
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Speaker 1: but they're the Syrian Curds and the Iraqi Curds had

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Speaker 1: a unified front. I just want to point that out right. Yeah,

494
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: and they they held their own I mean, they took

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00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: some fallbacks initially with what was it sin Jar when

496
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: they lost the hilltop, but then they went back and

497
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: took it, retook it um and they got pushed back

498
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: a little bit of in kirk Cook in Uh at

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Speaker 1: the end of two thousand and fourteen during the initial attacks,

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Speaker 1: and then went back and re pushed them back again.

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: And they it's important to remember because you know, quite

502
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: some time amount of time its passed, but they were

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00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: the only ones who were like kicking ass while the

504
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: Iraqi army was getting pushed back city by city. Yeah,

505
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: like not even not even just like battle, but like

506
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Speaker 1: city by city made in the Ambar province. So I

507
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: mean the Curds really did hold their own considering they

508
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Speaker 1: we they had almost no coalition support or very little,

509
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: um and we're just it was just them and like

510
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: they're they're bands of politically affiliated grunts so to speak,

511
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah they I think they did well anyway.

512
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: But I do think yeah, it's ah, I will it'll be.

513
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: It remains to be seen if the nomination goes anywhere,

514
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: but um, it is an interesting development. Yeah. I was

515
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: joking though. It was like, so if all the past

516
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: Murga get uh get a Nobel Peace Prize, does that

517
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: mean all the volunteers do to or But uh, not likely.

518
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I would just say for those who you know, haven't

519
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: caught up with, like the earlier podcasts, you want to,

520
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: you know, just briefly give a background of going from

521
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: being a US marineto volunteering with the paste Murga, because

522
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty interesting in itself. You you always

523
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: see these like keyboard commando type I'll go over there

524
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: and fight, and you actually did it. I got my

525
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: ices hunting permit. Oh man, the isis hunting permit? Yeah no,

526
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: actually there's quite a few of them around up where

527
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: I live. So zink he actually gave them out when

528
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: he was running for Congress. I know he gave one

529
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Speaker 1: to Welco. So yeah. I got out of the Marine

530
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Speaker 1: Corps in two thousand and twelve. Um Um a four

531
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Speaker 1: year marine, have a background on logistics. UM. I went

532
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: to college for a little while and while I was

533
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: in school, UM, the Islamic State start. You know, they

534
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: took Fallujah and that was the big one because it

535
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: was all over the news. UM. And this was you know,

536
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: post Libyan revolution and the war in Syria could already

537
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: kind of started to go UM, and they just started

538
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: getting traction UM. And at one point, so I knew

539
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to fight UM. And I guess the first

540
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: thing I saw was footage of the French Foreign Legion

541
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Speaker 1: fighting in Africa or in Mali against Islamic terrorists, and

542
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: so I decided that's what I was gonna do. I

543
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: bought a plane ticket and went off to France. UM

544
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and got there and did not make it, which was

545
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: kind of a pain in the ass because I mean

546
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I flew all the way. It went all the way

547
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: to France like all my own went down to Oban

548
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: like she handed a passport and uh, I got turned away.

549
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: Later um and went back home kind of defeated. And

550
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: then it was weird because I didn't really have any

551
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: direction and out of nowhere I had already hit them,

552
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: messaged them. The Lions of Java got back to me

553
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: and said, hey, brother, here's what you need to do, this,

554
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: that and this. So I uh, yeah, I did what

555
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: they told me to do, got my plane ticket. Um

556
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: was about a week from going out, like flying to Suli,

557
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: and a Pesh Murder group of foreign volunteers messaged me

558
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: back five and said, hey, what are you going to

559
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: get here? And I'm like, oh, on a week I

560
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: already got like plan to the whitepgs like no, come

561
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: to us and yeah. And then next thing you know,

562
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: I was with the Pesh Murga Uh. Totally different course. Um. Yeah,

563
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: showed up in Kurdistan, stayed for two years, hopped around

564
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: to a couple different units. Um. Uh, did some private

565
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: security stuff in Iraq, uh here and there. Um and

566
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: uh did a little bit of time in Ukraine. And

567
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: now I'm a journalist. Yeah, now Kurt's working for us

568
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: right in full time. Yeah. And you've said it before

569
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: on and I know Benny has like YPG and pect

570
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Murga very different politics Um, depends. Well, Kurt, why don't

571
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: you before we even get to that. That's a good point.

572
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: But before we even get there, Kurt, why don't you

573
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: break down the difference between because there's basically two Pesh

574
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: Murga's and people don't realize that at all. When you

575
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: say the Kurds, people are just like, okay, the Kurds,

576
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: as if they're one single entity. I know. That's the

577
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: hard part. Like it's hard to like get into this

578
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: stuff and tell people I was with the Kurds and

579
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: like not be like, well, let me break it down

580
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: for you real quick. There's two to nationality or two nationalities,

581
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: one ethnicity, five or five different political parties. Yeah. Um

582
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: so with the Pesh Murder. And this is where I'm

583
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: glad you're getting into this because Syria I'm pretty good.

584
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm okay with Syria. But this is where I specialized,

585
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: obviously because I spent a lot of time there. Um

586
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: So with the Pesh Murger there are two major political parties,

587
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: the PUK which is the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan and

588
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: they have traditionally seen more Iranian support. I would say, Um,

589
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: it's hard, you know, it's it's it's loose, but it's there. Um.

590
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: And then you have the KDP, which is the Kurdish

591
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: Diplomatic Party, and they are a bit more rightist, would

592
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you say, Jack, They're more capitalist leaning for sure, yeah. Um.

593
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: And they have they have a decent, decent ties with

594
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Turkey and they're the ones who are really i would say,

595
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: doing the leg work and as far as communicating with

596
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: the Iraqi government within the Kurdish Regional government, which both

597
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: these parties belong to. Um. And then they are actually

598
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: Pesh murder units. They are strictly affiliated to these and

599
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: actually that's a very interesting thing where what's going on

600
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: right now is that the KRG is trying to nationalize

601
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: the Pesh murder turned into Yes, they're trying to turn

602
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: into federal force and unite all these different sub political

603
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: brigades and unify them under one banner. And um, yeah,

604
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: second brigade they want to include like the Tsaravani and

605
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: all of them in it. I think they're at the

606
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: end goal. Um. The also the Gorn Party while I

607
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: was there, Um, they they joined up with the PUK

608
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: like officially I didn't. Actually Goran was the like the

609
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: Pesh Murga political party wasn't it. Yes, man, I'm not.

610
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm not as good with the subparties because they're kind

611
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: of like they really don't matter. It's say, but they

612
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: literally have no say. They're just kind of like the

613
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: annoying kid in the room that sometimes sides with the

614
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: two big big ones. Um. But they did. That's exactly

615
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: what happened. They joined up at the UK while I

616
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: was there. Actually the ceremony of the grown political leader

617
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: and uh, them joining up happened at my brigades chow Hall. Yeah,

618
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I walked by. I was walking by, like on my

619
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: way to the Kurdish p X, the pm p X,

620
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: and I was like what I saw the Sergeant Major

621
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: of the Brigades Stales side, like what's going on in there?

622
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: And he did like the pantomiming of his hands of

623
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: goron Puk and did like the hand together thing. I'm like, oh,

624
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: do you think will that be a good thing if

625
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: they federalized the Peshmerga, because I mean, the way it

626
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: is now, it's almost as if, like imagine if in

627
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: America there were two armies, the Republicans had one army

628
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: and the Democrats had one arm me. That's exactly what

629
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I used to compare to I was like, how bizarre

630
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: would that be? Um? So yes, I do, because people

631
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: forget before isis uh and before the Iraq War, they

632
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: had a civil war where they legit puk and KTP

633
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: were killing each other in the streets. Yeah in the nineties,

634
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: right the yeah, the actually the brigade brigade, the brigade

635
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: general of the last unit I was with, under orders

636
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: from Talibani, went down to U Sulemannia and slit the

637
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: governor's throat, like and his wife like murdered his the

638
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: governor's wife and like yeah, straight up like during the

639
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: civil war. And that's why he's uh like right hand

640
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: general to Costa Russa Ali, who is essentially the vice

641
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: president of the puk Um wild stuff. So yes, I

642
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: do believe that unification is something they need to do

643
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: if they want to progress as a nation and really

644
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: climb that ladder, because right now, you know, the more

645
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: unified they uh they are as the Kurdish Autanas region

646
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: of Iraq, the more uh pole they're going to have

647
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: with the international community, Iraqi government, you know, they become reputable.

648
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: I think it seems like it's going to be pretty

649
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: difficult to do. I mean, Barzani doesn't seem like he's

650
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: really reached across party lines. Sure, no, and he's not

651
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: favored by anyone UM near chervan Is, which is his

652
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: son is now the current UM I want to say,

653
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the current acting president of Kurdistan within the carriage, or

654
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: at least he's the prime uh, one of the one

655
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: of the major prime ministers. Their governmental system is a

656
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: little uh, a little hard to wrap my head around

657
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: at times, but it's still very similar to uh, you know,

658
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 1: the structure of ours, with these family dynasties. Yeah, well

659
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: we used to say they're like it's like the mafia,

660
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: like you you literally have associates and right hand men,

661
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: loyal people like you know, made men who were like

662
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: guys like that general I just spoke of who went

663
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: down and like killed the governor on orders like those

664
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: are like you know, and it's like this hierarchy and

665
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: then you know it's weird. It's weird. You definitely see

666
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: it within the ranks, like down to the lower ranks,

667
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: like if somebody if one of the Peshmerga, it doesn't

668
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: matter if his squad leader or his n c O is. However,

669
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: many years in the Peesh Murger has ranked. If that

670
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: kid under him, if his uncle is somebody important within

671
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: the party, it doesn't matter. He'll be like yeah yeah,

672
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: half right face bits, you know, like he won't care. Yeah.

673
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I remember a friend of mine telling me he was

674
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna go and set up He had linked up with

675
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: a with a local with a Curd and they were

676
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: pitching a business deal. They were trying to do some

677
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: business with like the Kurdish Ministry of Defense or something

678
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: like that, and the deal didn't go through, even though

679
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: it would have been great for really all parties concerned,

680
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: except for one thing. The concern from these higher ups

681
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: in their defense establishment was that if they agreed to

682
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: this deal, the Curd this American was working with his

683
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: family would come to have more power. And now you

684
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: don't want that, because now you're upsetting the hierarchy, right. Uh. Interesting. Yeah,

685
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: it's just a totally different way of doing things than

686
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: here in the US of A. Yeah, yeah, well, and

687
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: it's funny because like that, on our level that would

688
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: be viewed as insane amounts of corruption. But but there,

689
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: that's just how they do business. There's nothing they don't

690
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: There is no like you know, it's funny. That's one

691
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: of those things like being like a foreign volunteer, you've

692
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: got to go over and catered at their cultural relevance,

693
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 1: just like in anthropology or something. Um. You know, you

694
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: have to take away your your system and kind of

695
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: look at it from there's and it's like, well, you know,

696
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: I could be like wow, that's really screwed up, or

697
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: it could be like, well, you know what, that's how

698
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: their culture has been doing it for generations. It's not

699
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: weird to them. That's just the way it is. Yeah,

700
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: you're not going to change it anytime soon, right right. Yeah.

701
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 1: It's interesting as Americans we often we don't see those

702
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: like relationships and foreign cultures. The relationships between people seem

703
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: to mean a lot more abroad, and then like in America,

704
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: it seems like the business relationship is more important, but

705
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: in foreign countries oftentimes the familial relationships are even more important. Oh,

706
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I would say exponentially more so. Ye. That which is

707
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: why you know another thing as a foreign volunteer, you

708
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: literally like the majority of your time is spent building

709
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: report relationships with people, um, because it's going to get

710
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: you further, It doesn't. They don't they care about who

711
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: you are and what your capabilities are, but more so

712
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: about who you are as an individual and how you

713
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: treat them and you know, what you can do even

714
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: in uh in Europe, I mean like you're doing business

715
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: in Europe. I mean, I think we've talked about this

716
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: in the past. I mean, it's just so different than

717
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: the United States. Personal relationships means so much more than

718
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: they do here. Yeah, I I could see that as well.

719
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: Definitely in America, we we do things like kind of

720
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: by the seat of our pants, and you know, huge

721
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: amounts of money change hands on a handshake. Yeah, happen

722
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: time capitalism. Chalk up another win for capitalism, baby, I

723
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: love it. Why change it if it works? Yeah? Yeah,

724
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: I always say that, you know, for people who do

725
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: bash capitalism, I feel like it's just a natural order

726
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: of things of just you know, I'll trade you this

727
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: for this amount of money, and to not have some

728
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: bureaucrat in charge of it all, well, yeah, to me,

729
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: it's better than having like royal families and ship like that.

730
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're like living in the times of

731
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: like the Sheriff of Nottingham and Robin Hood. You know,

732
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with all that, which, you know,

733
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: to get to the political side of things that probably

734
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: conflicts with the whole patch Murga thing. You know, their

735
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: their views on capitalism. Well it's look, even even the

736
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: communist Chinese embraced capitalism to an extent right when it

737
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: works for their advantage. So there's a whole fields called

738
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: political economy, which it says that economics isn't just about

739
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: tick marks on a ledger, that it's also about the

740
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: social aspect. It's about the bureaucrats, the families, whoever has

741
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: access to these pools of resources and if you want

742
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: to access those resources. Is not just about the numbers.

743
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: It's not just about the currency. It's also about the

744
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: personalities who control those resources. So to get to those resources,

745
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: you have to go through the person, and the person

746
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: isn't going to help you unless there's something in it

747
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: for them. So it's just one way to study economics.

748
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,919
Speaker 1: I mean, if that makes sense. Yeah, I've just seen

749
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: a credit anything. Oh no, I yeah, definitely, that's a

750
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: little out of my specialization, but definitely, yeah, makes sense.

751
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: And uh, the last thing that gets you is that

752
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: I hear you're working on a memoir, which should be

753
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Yeah, I was kind of volunte old but no, um, yeah,

754
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting ready to write a book. It's uh,

755
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: it's nothing official yet. I'm still waiting on the contract,

756
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm gonna do a pretty much a memoir

757
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: of the start of how I began, the journey to

758
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: Kurtistan and everything that happened from there or up until

759
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: the the departure. I think that would be a pretty

760
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: good read. Um, I'm right now, I'm leaning towards more

761
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: of a first person perspective, with a little bit of

762
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: reminiscent reminiscing from that perspective as well. Um, and uh yeah,

763
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm I'm pretty excited. I've been taking notes, so,

764
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's weird because initially I had

765
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: always said I was never going to write a book,

766
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of, I don't know, now,

767
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: it just kind of happened. So yeah, I felt the same.

768
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I know someone in a similar

769
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: predicament in front of me. I uh, yeah, you'll see,

770
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: to Kurt, once you sit down and start writing this thing,

771
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: it'll just kind of flow off the page, you know,

772
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Like I've been writing about recently about this deployment I

773
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: was on with fifth Group in two thousand and nine,

774
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: and even the other two deployments I wrote about in

775
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: this in this book, Like I thought like, oh, you know,

776
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't have that much to say about any of that,

777
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: And then like the second I sit down and I

778
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: start writing, it's like page after page after page, like I,

779
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 1: actually I do have a lot to say about that. Yeah, yeah,

780
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: I know. I'm uh, well, I've we we've gotten a

781
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: bit of a sneak preview of some of your your

782
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: work on the book and uh read it. Yeah, I

783
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 1: shot some of it over to you guys. Um. Yeah,

784
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm still working on it. And and as I write,

785
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: like the more stuff I remember, Like actually, on the

786
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: subway on the way here today, I remembered this whole

787
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: story about some of our interpreters, and I'd like to

788
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: tell their story a little bit of it. And we

789
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: were teaching English to this one of our terms. See,

790
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: so we hired him as an interpreter, but really he

791
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: just cleaned up our mess on the base after us.

792
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Um we called him Mickelvin, that was his nickname, and

793
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: I he actually hit me up in the comments mclovin did, Yeah, yeah,

794
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, I oh no, it was in

795
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: the Life beat with Irwin. I was like, mclovin, where

796
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: do I arrow whatever? Where do I know? It was

797
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: his real name, Like, dude, where do I know you from?

798
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: And he's like, you call me mcgloven like Jack talked about,

799
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: mclovin is the man, and uh so we were teaching

800
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: him like these he learned English are very very quickly,

801
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: very intelligent person because he was picking it up just

802
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: from listening to us. Um. But then we taught him

803
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: all kinds of ship that probably we shouldn't have um.

804
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: And so like one day, uh you know, he was

805
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: thrown out trash and the dumpster outside our compound and

806
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: some of like first sergeant from the military police units.

807
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: So this like Iraqi unescorted walking around by himself, was

808
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: like who the fund is this guy? And he goes

809
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: up to him. He's like, hey, hey, who are you?

810
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: And mcgloffin looks at him, he's like, who am I?

811
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: You want to know who I am? I am the

812
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: grand shake of pounding badge. Holy fucking dude. Wow, yeah

813
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: that's a grand shake of pounding badge. UM. But anyway, him,

814
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: he was y z D um so is his brother

815
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: who is a legit interpreter for us, you know, actually

816
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: doing the job. And they came to America. Then their wives,

817
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: their kids, they all came to America before Isis went down.

818
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: And it's like thank God because their their extended family

819
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: got wiped out, like they like cousins, aunts, uncles, father's

820
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: grandfather that they don't know what the funk happened to

821
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: those people. They're they're they're probably I mean sadly, they're

822
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: probably in a mass grave somewhere. It's fucking terrible. It's

823
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: it's fucking horrible, you know. And that comes back to that,

824
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: you know, why they're trying to give a group of

825
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: Kurdish fighters the petch Marks, specifically the Noble Peace Prize.

826
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: Is it when they when he spoke about Isis being

827
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: that evil against like anti humanity, like the anti Christ,

828
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: like the fact that they were in this day and age,

829
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, rounding up entire groups of people, village whole

830
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: villages and just putting them ask graves. You know. It's

831
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: just yeah, and it's uh, the way the press refers

832
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: to Isis too. They would call them, they're like barbaric,

833
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: they're out of the Middle Ages, you know, all this

834
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of stuff like it, there's this temporal displacement. But really,

835
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: if you think about it, it's not out of the

836
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: Middle Ages. This ship happened just now. So what does

837
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: that really tell us about the world that it's not

838
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: out of the Middle Ages. It's not some you know,

839
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: these ancient barbarians. This is happening now. And maybe these attitudes,

840
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 1: these approaches, these ideas are not as far and away

841
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: as we think. Do you think it's just that someone

842
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: to argue that, you know, the the initial values of

843
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: Islam are they're using something from a time period ages

844
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: ago even then. I mean it's kind of debatable, I

845
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: mean at different points, and and uh, you know, they

846
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: constantly try to use the Koran and Shariah as like

847
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: the guideline, like we are you know, we are enforcing

848
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Sharia law, and we are you know, everything we do

849
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: is in the Koran. Every you know, like the Kurdish

850
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,439
Speaker 1: people are Muslim, uh, And literally they would sit there

851
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: like ah Mr Mr Kurt is like dash and no Muslim,

852
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: and you know, basically they always say something to that effect,

853
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: and even they know they're just they're just using it

854
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: as a scapegoat to be a group of psychopaths. Yeah,

855
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: it's just a vehicle. Yeah, but it's weird. Like then

856
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you got to start asking, So if there isn't it,

857
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: that really isn't the great unifier? What what is drawn

858
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: this collective of mass murder? Like that's it's insane, especially

859
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: in the age of like you said, it's not on

860
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. Everybody in Iraq has a cellphone. Not

861
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: just a cell phone, but a fucking smartphone and iPhone

862
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: six h or whatever. They could be living in a

863
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: mudhead and they have one. It's it's common now. Like

864
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: so in an age of information and you know, technology,

865
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: this is still happening. What attracts all these young people

866
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: to go and join ice this and do all this

867
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: crazy ship beheadings and raping women and filling up mass graves.

868
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck? Like there were people who

869
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: traveled from all over the Middle East to participate in

870
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: this kind of ship. There were more foreign fighters going

871
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: to Isis than the word of the Kurds. Yeah, like

872
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: we were outnumbered. We we were estimated as far as

873
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: foreign fighters go. I think to be like a couple

874
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: of hundred and Isis was had, Like what was it

875
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: like ten thousand foreign fighters at one point it was estimated.

876
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: It seems like, I mean, there's like more than the

877
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: West World, but you know, still international community. You know,

878
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: for sure, there's a perversion of religion that carries the

879
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: water for these idiots and makes them and they try

880
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: to make themselves sound virtuous and you know, God is

881
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: on my side. I'm sure poverty plays some role in

882
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: that there aren't other opportunities for these guys. Blah blah blah. Yeah,

883
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: I got that, But there's also like this this element

884
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: of just like it seems like they're like angry children,

885
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, and they don't have anywhere else to express it.

886
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: And uh and and someone made a comment to me

887
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, it's really weird to think

888
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: about the concept of going war to have sex, but

889
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: that's actually what it was about. For a good at

890
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: least that's partially what it was about. Because this was

891
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: like the way these guys could access women. You know,

892
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: you can you get yourself an Isis bride, you get

893
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: the rape girls, and probably back in their slum in Egypt,

894
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: no one was ever going to marry them. No one

895
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: would ever give a funk about them. So this was

896
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: like their way to actually have sex with women. That's

897
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: a really weird thing to think about. And I don't

898
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: think I could. I don't know how to quantify that,

899
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: Like how big a role did that play in the conflict.

900
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 1: I think it's in there for sure. I don't know,

901
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, I don't know how we could quantify

902
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: as far as the percentages go, but I definitely think

903
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: things like that, and I'm sure there it was a

904
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: multi I mean, what about all the uh you know,

905
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: the Eastern European or not excuse me, Western European kids,

906
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: uh girls going over to the Isis brides. Yeah, Australian

907
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: kid who went over at like what was the sixteen.

908
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: Of course, they stuck him right in a V bed

909
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: because like literally he had been there a week and

910
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: they said, yeah, go blow yourself up. I mean what

911
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean that that's what they did with most of

912
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: the foreigners. They used them as suicide bombers. Well that's

913
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: because they were all stupid civilians. Like, what are they

914
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: gonna do with that as a military power? What would

915
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: you do with some piste off teenager who has no

916
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: military training, never even shout a rifle before he's not

917
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: a fighter, he's not one of your top commandos. Going

918
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: to send him as a you know, he'll do more

919
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: damage in a v bed than he would on the

920
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: front lawn. Yeah, Yeah, you find some way to get

921
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: rid of him, which is uh propaganda, propaganda, you know,

922
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: And that reminds me of, Yeah, the whole propaganda thing

923
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: reminds me of We've talked about this on the podcast before,

924
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: how there's always this big cry to end Guantanamo, to

925
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: let these guys, you know, not be a part of

926
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: this person that we have in Cuba. But it's never

927
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: gonna happen because every single congressman is like, you're not

928
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: going to release these guys into my district, because these

929
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: guys are gonna radical wise just regular prisoners who were

930
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 1: in there. It's gonna continue spreading this message to people

931
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: who are hopeless, people have no purpose in living. Yeah,

932
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of the people who are I don't

933
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: know a lot. I mean we can actually find out

934
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: what number, but there's uh, there is a not insignificant

935
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: number of get MO inmates who have been released and

936
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: went on to become suicide bombers. Yeah, it's kind of surprising. Well,

937
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: what was it when we did when we traded bird

938
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Doll for those five guys, like three of them, like

939
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: within a couple of months, were top ices commanders. There

940
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: is a huge backstory to that, um that I found out,

941
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: and I would love to write this story someday and

942
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just go ahead and blast it out there. Um.

943
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: The gist of it, those guys we released for bird Doll,

944
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: we did not release them for bird Doll. It was

945
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: not a trade. That was a huge disinformation campaign that

946
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: the State Department and others ran to fool the Taliban

947
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, to fool the Hakani network into giving

948
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: up bird Doll. Those guys were they were scheduled for

949
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: release anyway, and they would have been released regardless of

950
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: what happened. It was basically, Yeah, it was a trick

951
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: to make the Hakani network feel that they weren't going

952
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: to get these dudes back unless they released bird Doll.

953
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: You gotta get that out there, because I have I've

954
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: never read about this, maybe you never will, so write it.

955
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: It's well to get the people to you know, get

956
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: all the right sources and to get the people to

957
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: uh to go on the record. It's difficult to do. Yeah, sure,

958
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: and it's one that that would be one of many

959
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: stories that um, I'm already working on a on a

960
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: big story right now. You know. It's funny. I know

961
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: so many people listening to this podcast, where like the

962
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: New York Times and different you know, because they follow

963
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: us on Twitter, just different other journalists. Yeah, they're listening.

964
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm thinking that they're gonna get on this.

965
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: So if you don't write it, someone's gonna write it. Yeah,

966
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna take an excerpt from this show

967
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: and put it on. Sometimes it's like you lead a

968
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: horse the water and they still don't know what the

969
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: fucking do with it, you know. And uh, I mean

970
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: The New York Times does some good work sometimes, but like,

971
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to their writing about the intelligence community,

972
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: when I read their stuff, their articles, it's and I

973
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: look at it and it actually hurts my head because

974
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: it's not like they have it's not biased in the

975
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: sense that I think they're like left wing or right wing,

976
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: or that I think they're like pro CIA or anti CIA.

977
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: It's like I read their articles about the intelligence world

978
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: and it's like they're not even on planet Earth. It's like,

979
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: what the funk are you writing like this doesn't make sense?

980
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: And it's almost as if The New York Times has

981
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: a willing intent to not be able to connect the dots.

982
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: It's almost intentional, and I think I think part of

983
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: it is because so much of the stuff they publish

984
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: is stuff the CIA wants out there, and they wanted

985
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: out there on their terms. And they have journalists at

986
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: the New York Times who don't want to burn access,

987
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: so they just there's no critical thinking involved. They just

988
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: kind of like put the it's it's basically a c

989
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: I a press release, but it looks as if it's

990
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,479
Speaker 1: some sort of New York Times investigative journalism or something

991
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, that's my rant about the New

992
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: York Times. You know, good luck with you guys writing about,

993
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, the bird doll disinformation campaign. If you yeah,

994
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: if you need any help, you give me a call,

995
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, hit me, hit me up on Twitter. We'll

996
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: call at jack or if you are g R. By

997
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: the way, wait, since yeah, did either of you see

998
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: called fucking maddest uh Secretary of State? Who did you?

999
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 1: I did? Yeah? I got the internet roasted me alive. Dude,

1000
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: there's your Freudian slit. Yeah, well I was. It was

1001
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: the headliner. I just I don't know why. I just

1002
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: had a brain part and was like secretary State madness,

1003
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: blah blah blah headline and god damnit Kurt Dude. Yeah

1004
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I know. But there's a thing. No one caught it. Yeah, no,

1005
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: we we we make mistakes to um yeah no, no

1006
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: question about it. But anyway, Yeah, that was my mess

1007
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: up for the month. So the last thing I was

1008
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: going to mention is that you could see hurt On

1009
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: inside the team room, the pech Murga one that's on

1010
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: soccerp TV. I also have the audio op if you

1011
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: look up inside the team room in your podcast app

1012
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcast, it's there. So check that out. You

1013
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: look very confused. Yeah, I'm trying. We did a Peesh

1014
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: Murga inside the team room. You did it inside the

1015
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 1: team room with him and Joey Joey Yeah, oh the

1016
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: one we did in Kirk Cook. Yeah yeah, it's in

1017
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: Solomon Ea. Sorry, yeah, I I just blank that out

1018
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: because I did it abroad. It wasn't like in a

1019
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: bar here, and no it was also you could even

1020
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: tell from the audio. It's not the quality of like

1021
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: the full photo shoots. That was Yeah, that was kind

1022
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: of like a realist style in the field. By the way,

1023
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: uh mentioning Joey, it was funny. I was going to say,

1024
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: because your your interpreter story and teaching people bad English.

1025
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: So Joey and his crew when they went over to

1026
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: rujava Um to join the YPG, they were there for

1027
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: a few months anyway, they taught all the Curds because

1028
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: there were some of the first volunteers there. They taught

1029
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: all the Curds and their two boor that uh, taco

1030
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: bello meant good night. So they all slept in like

1031
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: a big room with blankets and stuff, you know, and

1032
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: like as a group, and like they'd be like everybody.

1033
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: They'd be like Taco bello and all the Kurds are

1034
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: on the room. We go Taco bello, Taco bello. Yeah,

1035
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: the culture clashes hilarious. Man. I remember watching, Um, what

1036
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: movie was I watching with the iraqis one time in

1037
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: uh uh to offer actually on fop psychs. It might

1038
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: have been like that last Rambo movie where he's a brama.

1039
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: It was some movie like that, or no, no, no,

1040
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: it was um, oh shit, it was something like die

1041
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: Hard where they're in America and uh, one of the

1042
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: one of the Iraqi dudes turns to me, he's like, wow,

1043
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: America is really violent. The stuff like this happened off

1044
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: and over there, and you know, you look at him

1045
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, not every day, you know, like

1046
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: maybe once a week something like that happens to me.

1047
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: You know. I got that. We had a PlayStation for

1048
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: a while and we gave it to some of our

1049
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 1: Kurdish instructors, and I forgot there's some zombie video game

1050
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: on there. But he's like playing it and dowto. I

1051
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: remember that. He looks over me goes He's like, in

1052
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: America many zombies. So I trained and I was like, yeah, bro,

1053
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: when you get off that plane, you better be running

1054
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: all right, VSA passport whatever. There was um oh man

1055
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: what and now see you got me thinking, now I

1056
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: need to put this in the book. Now. There was

1057
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: I walked in on the on the Iraqi swat team

1058
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: one day that I was training and they were staying

1059
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: in these choose there like what cargo containers walk in there?

1060
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: And these dudes have pirated satellite TV, Like they figured

1061
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: out how to do it. They pirated satellite TV and

1062
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: they're watching the Penthouse Channel. And so the Swat team

1063
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: commander and a couple of the other like n c

1064
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: O s are sitting in this their hot box in it.

1065
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: They don't smoke marijuana, but they're smoking cigarettes like hot

1066
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: box and the ship out of this container, there's a

1067
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: cigarettes smoke everywhere. And they're just sitting there staring at

1068
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: the Penthouse Channel and like no, in their heads, yeah,

1069
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: this girl is just like getting filled in by like

1070
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: a twelve inch dong. You know. It's like, I mean,

1071
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can imagine what's going on in the

1072
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: Penthouse Channel. And uh, and theyre, oh, Mr Jack, Captain Jack,

1073
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: come in, come in. So I come in, I sit down.

1074
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm watching the Penthouse Channel with these dudes. And uh,

1075
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't understand how Americans can fuck this long,

1076
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Like we can't funk anywhere near this long. And you know,

1077
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: I play it off like, oh, well, you know, it's

1078
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: a it's an acquired skill, right, we practice of practice.

1079
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's funny. Actually, the funny and almost forgotten

1080
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: and the other things. A Swat team command of looks

1081
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: over at me and just totally nonchalantly is like you

1082
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: know these girls they're just in it for the money.

1083
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, damn, bro, how do you know so

1084
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: much about porn? Yeah? Yeah, that was a very astute comment.

1085
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like like he understood like the l a

1086
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: porn scene, like knew how it worked immediately, Like wow,

1087
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: that's I mean, I don't think most most American teenagers

1088
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: have figured that out for a couple of years, you know,

1089
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: like hreck Ranky figured it out a couple of minutes.

1090
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Um no, when So Justin, which I interviewed him in

1091
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: an article, was Joey's buddy, and they went over to

1092
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: sere together. So they were sitting around eating. Yeah, there's

1093
00:59:55,960 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: one of those disconnects. And uh, the they were given peaches,

1094
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: like canned peaches. So Justin looks at it, looks at

1095
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: the can. He goes, oh, peaches, and like smiles, and

1096
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: but all the currents are like the men look kind

1097
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: of terrified, the women all look piste and he's like,

1098
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: what it's peaches, And they look at they look like

1099
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: they're getting madder. And finally the guy he speaks a

1100
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: little bit like no, no, no, no, there's no peaches.

1101
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: Pet He says this peaches and he's like peaches means

1102
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: and he basically told it means horror, like like like

1103
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: prostitute or whatever. So he's standing there, sitting there for

1104
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of white PJ and he's like, oh prostitutes. Yeah, yeah,

1105
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: so sear muta? Uh that's uh yeah what No, it's

1106
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: uh is muta? Ice cream? Which one is? Which one is?

1107
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: Ice cream? Around around me? They would always say scream

1108
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: and I get, I get. I'd start getting irritated with

1109
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: him because I'm like, what are you trying? I know

1110
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: my Arabic is bad, but I'm like, what are you

1111
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: trying to ask me? That kept your jack scream? Scream?

1112
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: And I realized ice cream Yeah yeah, yeah, No, multi

1113
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: means ice cream, but if you use it in the

1114
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: correct context, it also means like you're telling the dude

1115
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: he likes the cream. So it could be insulting or

1116
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: actual just description. Um. Yeah, especially the guys who went

1117
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: over there and they were hanging out around the you know,

1118
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: the y p j uh female Kurdish soldiers like got

1119
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: into some dicey situations, but purely because of like translation issues,

1120
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the well in Arabic, dude means gay.

1121
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: So I was walking around in Iraq, I was like,

1122
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: what's up, dude, And then if people are looking at

1123
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: me like what the hell you just called me? The

1124
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: other culturally significant things probabe, no, is that they told

1125
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: me that, um, giving someone the thumbs up over there,

1126
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: it's like the middle finger. Uh yeah, I know, No,

1127
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: I know that was an Afghanistan for sure. They warned

1128
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: us of that when we went over to Helmond. They

1129
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 1: were like straight up like, don't thumb up. Give people

1130
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: the thumbs up. It does not mean what you think

1131
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: it means. Yeah. I think now they they've like everybody's

1132
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: got it, like they up symbols enough. Yeah, they know

1133
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: we don't insult them, like, you know, absolutely, like the

1134
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: Iraqis that have been working with Americans, even like the

1135
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: guys I worked with, if I gave him the thumbs up,

1136
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: they wouldn't get offended by it. They understood. They had

1137
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: been working around us long enough that you know they understand. Um.

1138
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: You know. It's really funny when you talk to like

1139
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: our interpreters, Like I meet people over in Iraq who

1140
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: worked as interpreters for the Americans for a long time,

1141
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: and they're like so Americanized. They'll come up to you

1142
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, dude, remember rippets And it's like,

1143
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, what if we created Yeah yeah the monsters.

1144
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: They're literally deployment babies, like yeah yeah, and they're they're

1145
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: all nostalgic for the past, you know, they're like like

1146
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: we are. They're a bro remember the rippits. Yeah, they'll

1147
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: they'll fit in with the VET community perfect, Yeah, exactly.

1148
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: The Yeah, we had this one terping and Curtis Stam

1149
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: working for one of the companies um back and he's

1150
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: probably not listening about wish he was. He's a cool guy.

1151
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: He's still trying to get over here, but yeah, he's

1152
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: like he was an interpreter with you guys the SF

1153
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, hey, dude, so

1154
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: like what you do as a terp with the with

1155
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: the special boxes? And he goes, we killed motherfucker's I

1156
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: was like, oh ship, yeah, man. I mean some of

1157
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: our interpreters like some I mean it depends like team

1158
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: the team, but like some O d as are pretty

1159
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: rough to work with, you know, and like these terps,

1160
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot of them developed like seriously thick skin man.

1161
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, well um yeah, the uh man I

1162
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: forgot I was going with that, but uh yeah, funny stuff.

1163
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: Oh the captain thing because he's and Captain Jack. Yeah,

1164
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: everybody everybody calls you captain. Now show up an advisor role.

1165
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: Like even the Kurds they just and I think it's

1166
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: a soccer or a football thing for in our case. Um,

1167
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: it's because in the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi culture,

1168
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: like you're either an officer or you're nothing. So like

1169
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: if you're if you're not an officer, you're just some

1170
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: dude with a shovel that digs for four years of

1171
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: his time in the military like a Like, I don't

1172
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: know if they I mean I guess they did have

1173
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: n c o s, but they're like nothing like sergeants

1174
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: are in the U. S Military. Yeah, I think you

1175
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 1: actually might. You know, if you were an officer in

1176
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: the Peshburga you were like yeah, yeah yeah. So I

1177
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: mean when we went over there, we all had to

1178
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 1: assume the fictional rank of captain just out of necessity.

1179
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: And again, these the swap guys had worked with us

1180
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: so long they knew they knew that we weren't captains,

1181
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: like at least like their commanders and stuff. They knew

1182
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: that I was an n c O. You know, it

1183
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: didn't bother them. They understood as long as they could

1184
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: stand like at their level that you knew more and

1185
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: knew enough to Yeah, no, they did. And they told

1186
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: me that too. They're like, you know, a sergeant and

1187
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 1: you know US Special Forces knows like ten times more

1188
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: than an Iraqi officer. I was like, well, yeah, basically,

1189
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: I think we might have talked about this the last

1190
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: full episode you were on. But the story of you

1191
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: guys meeting is is pretty cool. You were telling me

1192
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: about while we were over at shot show. Yeah. Actually,

1193
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: I uh. I was at one of my local gun

1194
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 1: stores the other day and uh, the guy was like,

1195
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: uh he saw my T shirt and he's like, do

1196
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: you read soft Roup? Like no, I write for them man,

1197
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,919
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh sweet, I read you guys every morning.

1198
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: And he's he's like, well were they like? And I

1199
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: was he was like, how did you get that job?

1200
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, so, uh I was. Remember we

1201
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: joked that when we were at a shot show. I

1202
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: was like everybody's like everybody I was like, everybody else

1203
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: has like a master's degree in journalism. Jack pretty much

1204
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: just found me when I was homeless and wanted hey

1205
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: man on a job. Um was running around in the

1206
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 1: Peshburga and we were in kirk Cook or actually doc Cook,

1207
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: which is just south of it Um, and we were

1208
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: taking two villages, which I believe the first one was

1209
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: zaga Um and Uh it was. It was a very

1210
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: really successful day for us because all we had to

1211
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: do was deal with I D S. Which that was

1212
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: Jack brought up the point what was it, uh in

1213
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 1: depth defense and thank you depth defense and depth They

1214
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: were practicing that pretty much. They You know, there was

1215
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: some brief fighting at the beginning of the day, but

1216
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: then everybody sucked off as far as ices goes, and

1217
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: we just kept pushing. So anyway, were sitting on the

1218
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 1: side of the road watching our fifty five blow by

1219
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: and blasting us with exhaust Um and down down comes

1220
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: into the street. I see uh, Jack and Benny and

1221
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: some other guy walking up. I'm like I was sitting

1222
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 1: there with Joe and I'm like, hey, I know this guy.

1223
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: What's hot man? And walked over and yeah. We hung

1224
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: out for a good part of the day. Then we

1225
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: shot off to go take the last village real quick,

1226
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: Um and then we met up later at the our

1227
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: Basis Training Center. Kurt and I had talked a little

1228
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: bit over Facebook, I think, and we were trying to

1229
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: like arrange to meet each other because I was I

1230
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Kurt, I'm inter Rack and we meet

1231
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: like face to face and oh yeah cool. So like

1232
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: we were trying to facilitate that, figure out how that

1233
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: was gonna work out. And the meanwhile, we've Benny and

1234
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 1: I find out there's this big battle going down and

1235
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: kirk Cook. We're like, we need to go there. So

1236
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: we rushed down there. We take We're driving it like

1237
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: three in the morning from her Bill down to kirk Cook.

1238
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: We get there, Um the battle started. That was. That

1239
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: was when we were driving and sorry, our driver asks

1240
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: um at a checkpoint which way to the battle and

1241
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, just drive that way until you get

1242
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: to the dash and you'll know you're there. Like holy fuck. Anyway,

1243
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: we get there and um, it's really foggy that morning

1244
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: as we got there and I e d went off

1245
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: like maybe a hundred meters in front of us and

1246
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: killed the Peshmerga guy. Remember, and yeah, curtis down there.

1247
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, me and Benny were walking all through the

1248
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: morning right behind the front lines of the pesh And

1249
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you said you're completely unarmed. Yeah,

1250
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: I was completely unarmed, and um, yeah I had a

1251
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: caram bit. I guess that would help. Um. And as

1252
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: we're walking, yeah, I come up and oh no, I

1253
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: ran into a Curd who had been working with some

1254
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: American volunteers and I got to talking about that and

1255
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah American volunteer. Yeah, I have something here.

1256
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: You want to meet them? I'm like yeah, sure. So

1257
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 1: he starts walking us further down the road a little

1258
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: bit and there's Curt and Joey's sitting on the side

1259
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,560
Speaker 1: of the road and Kurt's like, hey, I know you.

1260
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: So that's how we ended up meeting face to face.

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01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: I didn't expect for it to be. There's cool. Yeah

1262
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: they're small, small, Curtis doan. Yeah, well that'll that will

1263
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: definitely be in the book obviously. But when I get

1264
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: right in it. Um, but yeah, that I e d

1265
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: that went off. So we were it was Joey and

1266
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: I were down there and like right in the blast

1267
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: and for some reason, we're lucky as ship we never

1268
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: got hit, but like guys around us got hit, and

1269
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it was funny. We were actually standing on

1270
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: the berm that blew up, and then we we pulled

1271
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: back in the one of the bulldozers they used to

1272
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: do route clearance. It hit it. Oh yeah, I got

1273
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: there like a couple of minutes after that. I think

1274
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 1: I believe that when I walked down there, the Peshmerga,

1275
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: we're actually moving in and starting to clear the houses

1276
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 1: in that little village right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1277
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: that was they well. Uh and then I know there

1278
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 1: was that one kid who was wearing all Curtish guard

1279
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: and show wall and stuff. Uh, he hit a G

1280
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: three and he was some other random volunteer. We didn't know.

1281
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: He just kind of showed up with another curd and

1282
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: he ran out in the field by himself and started

1283
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: shooting up our Peshmerga as they came into that village.

1284
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: She's yeah. And then of course the commander ran over

1285
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: and like screamed at him. They took his rifle and

1286
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: threw him out of the you know, running back to

1287
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: the staging area and kicked him out. You know. I

1288
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: also saw as I came up there, there's like a

1289
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: humpy full of and I could see them right away.

1290
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: They were they were foreigners. There were Americans and they

1291
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: were all dressed up like Robin stage role players, and

1292
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: they were wearing balaclavas and all that kind of ship.

1293
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: They were wearing the staf masks that would have been

1294
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: Shake Joffers. Guys. There is a team of Mircondo's um.

1295
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 1: They seemed like a bunch of googers and they were

1296
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: like making cat calls at Benny and stuff like this.

1297
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, this is fucking amateur hour out here. Yeah. Yeah,

1298
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: well that's why they they were been the back in

1299
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: the in the rear with the trucks. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1300
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: I got that impression. Yeah, that's the that's the thing.

1301
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 1: Like the guy that ran out there and shot up

1302
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: a peshimerga, like or those dudes who were sitting around

1303
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 1: cat calling and stuff. I mean, it just makes it

1304
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: it's so much harder to be a volunteer, especially when

1305
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: you're trying to do it, do it the right way

1306
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: and be serious about it and like because you gotta remember,

1307
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: like it's just like, you know what we got. I

1308
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: don't know if they told us in the Army, but

1309
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: in the Marines, they're like, you don't represent you anymore.

1310
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: You represent the whole marine coup. And it's the same

1311
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: thing with a volunteer, like you represent every American ever

1312
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: to these guys or every foreign volunteer that comes over

1313
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: and tries to do this. So like when one person

1314
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: bucks up or you get the fraught artists like that

1315
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: Alan Duncan cat or whoever. Yeah, that's what they think

1316
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 1: of you, and you have to work past that. It

1317
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: makes just more barriers. It's terrible. That's oh man, I

1318
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,839
Speaker 1: mean you could I know you and I know Irwin

1319
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 1: could tell stories all day about all the strange cats

1320
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: that showed up, weirdos out the yin Yang. I never

1321
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: realized like how many weirdos showed up to this kind

1322
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: of party. Yeah, I guess us included. But still like

1323
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, I've an article, like one

1324
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: of my first articles was like bitching about like stop

1325
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: coming over here, Like if you're here for Instagram, you're wrong.

1326
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: Remember remember that chick what was her name, like cat

1327
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 1: Argo or something like that man cat Argo and the

1328
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: qui Quackum Bosham whatever. Yeah, the French guy. He was

1329
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: like some crazy like French right winger who was in

1330
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: Ukraine with the separatists. Yes, that's what's weird the separatists,

1331
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: the Russian separatists, an ultra nationalist, Well it makes sense,

1332
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: and a certain well there's a certain breed of these people,

1333
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 1: and they see Russia as being confronting the um you know,

1334
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: like the New World Order. So these like people. There

1335
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,719
Speaker 1: are people on the far right who are aligned with Russia,

1336
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: and that's the only way I can imagine that shook out.

1337
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: But I also heard from some people who are in

1338
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: the military in the U. S Military with cat Argo,

1339
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: and they were like, that woman is a nut, Like

1340
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: just stay away from her. Yeah, well, I mean they

1341
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: what caught me onto it was the stuff they were

1342
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: claiming they were doing one and then the stuff they

1343
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: had on their like go bund means and things like that.

1344
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: We're talking about doing deep behind in me lines, extracting

1345
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: when injured Peshmerga. They talked about weird techniques employed and

1346
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 1: Kirk Cook of like daily catapults of propane tanks like

1347
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: the The Havoc Journal wrote this like a glowing article

1348
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: about about so did the Army Times, So do the

1349
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 1: Arty Times, And then there's there. I was just like,

1350
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 1: idiot's never gone on the ground of these people. I

1351
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: will tell you. Everybody that's with them right now that

1352
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: isn't part of their group knows their fun wads. And

1353
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: there's my French. And then there was there's that other

1354
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: woman that showed up and she hooked up with the

1355
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 1: Italian dude and she was over there for a while.

1356
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: Samantha J. Yeah. I don't think she was nearly as

1357
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: malicious as those other guys she was, but she was definitely, uh,

1358
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: definitely there for the fame, I think, you know, and uh,

1359
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 1: and like there were other outlets that I mean, if

1360
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: you were like a girl, especially if you're a pretty girl,

1361
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Daily Mail and all of them,

1362
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: they're like all over that kind of stuff. Yeah. Well,

1363
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: I mean she was posting like picture or swimsuit and stuff,

1364
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: and like, you know, she had this big following. You know,

1365
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 1: maybe she had other reasons. We're going, but I don't,

1366
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: you know, I think she's just one of the fame

1367
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: the glory ones, like look at me, I'm doing something.

1368
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: She was one of the she was one of the army, uh,

1369
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 1: the people coming out of the army who didn't do

1370
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: the whole war bit and felt they needed to maybe

1371
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,719
Speaker 1: And then when there were some interesting women who showed

1372
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: up foreigners who showed up. Jill Rosenberg was the other

1373
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 1: one who was a big scam artist and got a

1374
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. Yeah, I remember hearing about that. I

1375
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: mean I heard rumors some about some really bad stuff,

1376
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: but nothing that I know for a fact. She showed

1377
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 1: up to a we knew a contractor friend in her

1378
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: bill and we went down there for some R and R.

1379
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: So we were partying and we had a pool there,

1380
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: like a bunch of beer and it sounds like an

1381
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: s F party, how Jack, I deny everything. Yeah, yeah,

1382
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: there you go. No. So anyways, she shows up with

1383
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: a fucking gun in her waistband and like in city's

1384
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: like and we're like, what the funk? And I like

1385
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 1: a guy who ran the own the compound. He like

1386
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't leave his m for all night. He's like, dude,

1387
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, And it was just it was weird.

1388
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: It was weird. There was also that Danish woman who

1389
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: showed up with the y p J and then she

1390
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: was like making claims that she had slain like a

1391
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: hundred of ices people when she was a sniper over there. Yeah,

1392
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: a liar man, because I wrote an article tell him

1393
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 1: saying that was bullshit. Yeah. Man, every time I read

1394
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: this person was a sniper, I start to a zone out,

1395
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: like because literally we we had this joke in Ukraine,

1396
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: like we were trying to decide who was gonna do

1397
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 1: like the little sniper course Joey and I were gonna

1398
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: go to and uh this guy, uh, one of the

1399
01:15:57,360 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: one of the other Forders. He's like, well, ay, I'll

1400
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 1: do best accident I can. And he's Greek, but he's like, well, coach,

1401
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: here was a sniper with the best murga. So but

1402
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: it's it's funny because like everybody was a sniper with

1403
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,799
Speaker 1: a beshmurger, you know what I mean. Everybody's a sniper.

1404
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: Everybody's an operator, you know, it's yeah, everyone's my My

1405
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 1: My running joke is it's the it's the Russian way

1406
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: of determining your sniper, Like, oh, come, you have scoop

1407
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: on the rifle, now you're a sniper. Well it's an

1408
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: Iraq too. I mean everyone's wearing the Special Force. It's patch.

1409
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah everywhere. Well the Pasha Murga there they and I

1410
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: mean they do have commando brigades, but everybody's wearing the

1411
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: red Commando brig Yeah, the Cobra is there. Cobras are

1412
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 1: pretty good. They're like, well, here's the thing. So like

1413
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: basically it's just structured just like ours you really look

1414
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: at it. They have their uh, the ctgs and the

1415
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 1: counter terror groups and things like that of either party,

1416
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: and they're like our you know, SF Delta high speed dudes.

1417
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: And then these Cobras and Third Special Brigades and things

1418
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: like that are like the rangers to those units. They'll

1419
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: go in and do the big smash and direct action

1420
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: and take over villages while these guys go hit the

1421
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: specifics um because they usually do go in together. When

1422
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: they every time Third Brigade went in to do a

1423
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: village or when we took a sheer, CTG was off

1424
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: on the left side doing their thing. Yes. CTG complained

1425
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: about that. When I was there. They were like, we

1426
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 1: want to do counter terrorism, not the conventional fighting. But

1427
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 1: they you know, felt obligated to play their part too

1428
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: and you know, help out. Sure. Sure, well, I mean

1429
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: you read that article I wrote about how they were

1430
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: doing the prison transports closing down the old castle. That

1431
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: was interesting. Yeah, dude, they smoked a whole group of

1432
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: them apparently, like and this is kind of hearsay, but

1433
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: apparently they were like kitchen workers who were disgruntled about

1434
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: not getting paid. Yeah, Like it wasn't even ices trying

1435
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 1: to snatch up their own prisoners. It was like some

1436
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: angry kitchen workers who staged an elaborate ambush. That's not

1437
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: such an Iraq story, you know, yeah, yeah, very very

1438
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: people People are always like that could be that doesn't

1439
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: make any sense. I'm like, well, if you've been to Iraq,

1440
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Like that's the thing about you know,

1441
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 1: war as uh you know, and I know I've said

1442
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: this before on the podcast, is that, you know, people

1443
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: ask what the differences between fact and fiction or we

1444
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: are writing fiction and writing nonfiction. I tell them, you know,

1445
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: fiction has to make sense. Yeah yeah, those ships. No, seriously,

1446
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: war stranger than fiction every every time, Like, yeah, people

1447
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: do ship that doesn't make any sense at all. It's

1448
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: irrational and things happen that are random and weird. That's

1449
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: why I said if I always said like I'm never

1450
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 1: writing a book. If I write a book, no one's

1451
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: gonna fucking believe me, like it's gonna be there's just

1452
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: it's just wild. Like all when I really look at

1453
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:52,560
Speaker 1: all the weird things that have gone on in the

1454
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 1: strange stories and things I could go on about, like

1455
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's bizarre. It's just bizarre. It's because like

1456
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 1: movies and television and all that has created like an

1457
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: expectation in the minds of civilians of like what war

1458
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: is supposed to be like. And then and then if

1459
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: reality doesn't deliver that expectation, they're like, oh, this must

1460
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: be fake. Can't be like Battlefield and Call of Duty

1461
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: and video games. Yeah, for sure. Well, I mean because

1462
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean if you really look at like the you know,

1463
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: it's like they you know, even on like the they say,

1464
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm pretty big into the tacticle shooting community. You see

1465
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: like the promo videos for companies and they look cool

1466
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: and they got their sweet plate carries and their ops

1467
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: scores and they're sweeping corners and kicking doors and it

1468
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: all looks fluid and smooth. And then you look at

1469
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: a guy's go pro footage or like even some of

1470
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 1: my mind, and it just looks like a like a

1471
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: ship show. But I mean it's works and it's getting

1472
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: the job done and dudes are doing their ship, but

1473
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: it just does not look as clean. You know what

1474
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: I mean, nowhere nearest clean is the you know, the

1475
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: media will make it out to be. Yeah, I mean

1476
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: the guy who has the most kills is probably some

1477
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:01,480
Speaker 1: specialist in the army that fucking has like an antiquated

1478
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: M six two out of the arms room. Yeah yeah,

1479
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, you're not gonna hear that. No, no, definitely not.

1480
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: So I think people are gonna really look forward to

1481
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: this book. I have to say I had a great

1482
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: time hanging with Kurt at shot show. He was the

1483
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: first person I saw getting off the plane and first

1484
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: time hanging with you, and we shared some awesome stories,

1485
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: both both of us apparently diagnosed with a d D

1486
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: as kids. Maybe not surprising like hardcore. Yeah, well you were,

1487
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you were a d h D.

1488
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: I was a d D. So I was just like

1489
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: staring at the window. I was not like the hyperactive part.

1490
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh me, you know, I I have a d D

1491
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit a d h D. When you

1492
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: were in the same yeah, you were in the same

1493
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,679
Speaker 1: category as me. No, I couldn't pay attention at school.

1494
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: I was a terrible student. College was hard as well,

1495
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: even though it was a little more disciplined. But like

1496
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, you stick me in front of something like

1497
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about whether it be you know what done

1498
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: recently or um, we're ready for software. I'm getting to

1499
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: write about things that I love talking about. It's you know,

1500
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in the exact same vote as you,

1501
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: which is what we're talking about. Before you even got there,

1502
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: Jack was like the first night we got in a

1503
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: whole discussion about this and uh the Odyssey and was

1504
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: talking about his son having those same issues. Um, but yeah,

1505
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: great happening on. We got to do this more often

1506
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: if you're ever in New York, will do it in

1507
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: studio any You don't have any social media, do you,

1508
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: other than your own like private Facebook page? Well, um,

1509
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: I am gonna probably go on right now and finally

1510
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: get off my ass about this. I need to get

1511
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: you get off your ass to make a social media

1512
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, well you know, but I need Yeah,

1513
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 1: I do need to do a writer's Facebook page where

1514
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: you can just follow me or something. Yeah, you should

1515
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: do it. Get a Twitter account so you can tweet

1516
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: about fucking memos and collusion all day like everybody else

1517
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: on there. I don't know, maybe I'll get an Instagram.

1518
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll be honest, I haven't followed the

1519
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 1: memos stuff at all. People come over and they're like,

1520
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: what do you think about the memo, and I'm like,

1521
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm completely in the dark about it. It's a memo

1522
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: about a dossier that we all knew was fake the

1523
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: second we saw it. Like Jesus, Yeah, I I have

1524
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: not been following. But it's because I don't watch the

1525
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: mainstream media. I mean when I see what I see

1526
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: on Twitter, but I kind of avoid. Twitter is just

1527
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: such a cess pool. Yeah, it's like something I don't

1528
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: want to jump into. But I will say, scrolling through

1529
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: Twitter for like fifteen minutes, you're gonna get what's covered

1530
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: on Fox for several hours or any network. I'm not

1531
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: targeting Fox, Yeah, you know, because all you're gonna get

1532
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: is people debating the issue before you even know what

1533
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: the issue is, talked about it before. But yeah, I

1534
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: mean I use Twitter to get a lot of my news.

1535
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie, really, Yeah, I I just I see

1536
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: what people are talking about. I mean, I don't take

1537
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: it if it's from the Daily Mail, I don't take

1538
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 1: it as fact, but I at least like to get

1539
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 1: a I don't know, get an overview of what people

1540
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: are talking about. Twitter just seems to me like it's

1541
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people trying really hard to convince everybody

1542
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: that they're an expert on something subject. You know, I'm

1543
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: the subject matter expert, and it just comes across as

1544
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: kind of like desperate and sad. It's like, why, what's

1545
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: what's the point of this? What's the point of this

1546
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 1: communications medium? But also created so much phony outrage. I mean,

1547
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: I think the whole me too movement is probably more

1548
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 1: Twitter than anything else, and it's gotten to the point where,

1549
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, I saw like Ben Shapiro debating this Sun

1550
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: Fox Um, I was watching a clip of that, but

1551
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: how it went from a guy like Harvey Weinstein, who

1552
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: obviously is out of control and should be in prison,

1553
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: to a guy like as he's I'm sorry where it's

1554
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: just like, was this date I had a bad date?

1555
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: Part of the thing the woman wrote was that that

1556
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: she didn't like the disease I'm sorry picked red wine

1557
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: over white wine, And I was just like, is this

1558
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 1: really could you really put this in the same categories? Yeah,

1559
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 1: it sounds like you just regretted sleeping with this guy.

1560
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like to me too, and yeah,

1561
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: I think that whole thing. When that article was published, Yeah,

1562
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: it was like reading this like I felt uncomfortable, but

1563
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. What Yeah, it really doesn't disserve.

1564
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: It's it's weird that Twitter, like tweets alone are being

1565
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: like one of the source of like all these articles

1566
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 1: that are flooding us now. Like literally someone tweets something,

1567
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: it's like, we could write a whole article about this,

1568
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 1: Like it's how about the night of the super Bowl.

1569
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 1: The number one thing trending part of that night was

1570
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: that Kylie Jenner had a baby over the super Bowl. Really, yeah,

1571
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: more Americans care about that. I wonder what was what

1572
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: were the ratings for the Super Bowl? Like because I

1573
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: don't care anyway, but where people? Is it true that

1574
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 1: like people are kind of tuning out of the NFL

1575
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: now because of their whole issues with patriotic you know,

1576
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: I think things. I think a lot of those people

1577
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: tuned out for the season, but then they'll still if

1578
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: they're a football fan, they're probably still going to watch

1579
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I would think. I do know the

1580
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: NFL didn't allow and add like a veteran and run

1581
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: group ad that said you know, police stand and they

1582
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 1: said it was too political, they wouldn't run it, huh,

1583
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: which I I do think it is bullshit, regardless of

1584
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: like you're feeling on the issue itself. But because you

1585
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: and I we've talked about this, it's definitely not a

1586
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: priority in my mind. But the fact that like they're

1587
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: allowed to kneel for the national anthem, but they weren't

1588
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: allowed to put on a patch for like a police

1589
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: officer who died, Like you're either going to politicize it

1590
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: or not politicize at all, you know. So yeah, I

1591
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 1: don't fucking care myself, but whatever, I think Vince McMahon

1592
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 1: is probably doing a smart thing by saying he's coming

1593
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 1: out with the XFL. Didn't he already tried that once? Yeah,

1594
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: he's doing it again. Yeah, because this is perfect timing

1595
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 1: with all the politicization and all the people saying like,

1596
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna watch I bet you, Vince McMahon is

1597
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna be like, we're gonna have hot, skippy cheerleaders. You're

1598
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: probably gonna need to stand for the national anthem. He'll

1599
01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: probably have Donald Trump be involved somehow. I'd rather that, Yeah,

1600
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 1: why not? But you know, he did do it one

1601
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: season and failed. There was a great thirty for thirty

1602
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: on it. But I bet you he sees it. I

1603
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: talked about it on the episode with Stobolos Jerry. I'm

1604
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 1: not like a football fan, but he probably sees a

1605
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: big opening in the marketplace with all this protesting, all

1606
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: this politicization, and he'll probably just be like, I'm gonna

1607
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: do what men want to see, not politicize shit. Between

1608
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: that and t b I, it seems like the NFL

1609
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: they're heading in a bad direction, Like like I would

1610
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: not buy stock in the NFL, I'll put it that way. Yeah.

1611
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: I think also a lot of it is the media

1612
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: when they say that, um you know, NFL ratings are

1613
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: growing down. I think it's it's sports in general. I

1614
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 1: think people are even watching watch TV in general. Yeah,

1615
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 1: the internet is taking over because who wants to sit

1616
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: and watch all his ads and all this bullshit on there? Yeah.

1617
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: I I also, um you know, there's a lot of people,

1618
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: I feel like my dad's age who will watch every

1619
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: single met game, every single Knick Nick game, even sports

1620
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: fanatics age like I don't think I would rather just

1621
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 1: like spending night watching YouTube videos than watching television like

1622
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: cable TV, Like, who watches that? Yeah, yeah, that's pretty

1623
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: much what I do anyway. Actually, especially the show on Tesla.

1624
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: Who watches that? Terrible? Apparently nobody because they moved it

1625
01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: to the Science Channel. I didn't. I didn't even be

1626
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, I didn't even know there was a

1627
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:30,480
Speaker 1: Science channel. Yeah, nobody does they dude, they like sabotage

1628
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,400
Speaker 1: that show because they and for those who don't pick

1629
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: up on the sarcasm, I'm obviously joking that. You know

1630
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: about five episodes they played the first three, episode four,

1631
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: they changed the time slot. Episode five, they changed the

1632
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: time slot and the network. That's not a good sign. Yeah,

1633
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: and well they told me the first episode did great.

1634
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,799
Speaker 1: They were like, we did. We beat everything in ratings

1635
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: except for except for professional sports, which is like we're

1636
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: never going to beat that. Yeah, but then something up

1637
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: in between then and now and and I feel like

1638
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 1: they never even gave the show a chance. They also,

1639
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 1: like I've said in the past, like they're advertising. Um

1640
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: approach is like in the Stone Age, and they're acting

1641
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 1: like it's still seven. I mean, I'm shocked by how

1642
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: bad they are when it comes to advertising. Yeah, So

1643
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: whatever they need to get the advertisement that Kurt and

1644
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: I were talking about with Tonto and the sunglasses. Oh,

1645
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: I see that ad I saw that add on on

1646
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: the TV when I had lunch with Jim. I see

1647
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: it all the time. I was at the gym suite

1648
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: as far as the marketing department, but I almost man.

1649
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: I saw him at range day at shot and I

1650
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: was just like, I was gonna be like, Hey, Tontos,

1651
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:47,880
Speaker 1: you're wearing them HD sunglasses. You know, you know, you

1652
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: should you should go, you should go say hi to him.

1653
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: Though Chris is a he's a really nice guy. Oh no,

1654
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I did say hi to him. He is a phenomenally nice,

1655
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: down to her earth guy. Like like every I met

1656
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 1: a few, well I rate and didn't see him met,

1657
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: but I noticed quite a few. Uh So, we say

1658
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 1: tactical celebrities that shot show, and a lot of them

1659
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: have big egos and just um yeah. But Chris was

1660
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: just man. He was awesome, really nice guy. He took

1661
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: the time to bullshit with two of our load at

1662
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: room writers who were in Second Bad as well with

1663
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: the Rangers. So um, I love really nice guy. I'd

1664
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: love to have him back on the show when he

1665
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: comes through town again. Sometime. Yeah, really cool guy. I'm

1666
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: very well he does and he does so many of

1667
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: these speaking engagements and all. But yeah, that that that

1668
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: sunglasses commercial is pretty funny. But hey, he's can't you know,

1669
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I can't knock it. He's making money, so hey, dude

1670
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: pays the bill, so be it. You know. Yeah, I'm right,

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Speaker 1: damn Ryan, And I mean I haven't I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: R A stickers hot dogs. Get your hot dogs. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks as always Kurt, and we'll definitely have you back soon.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys for good talking with you.

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Speaker 1: And on there. Although you forgot about it is the

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Speaker 1: Peshmerga inside the team room which curtis on So yes,

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Speaker 1: you can check that out on softwarep TV. And like

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Speaker 1: I said, if you want to just hear the audio

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Speaker 1: I have all the audio strip and people will actually

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Speaker 1: have commented before they're like, why does the audio suck

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Speaker 1: there's some really cool stuff in there. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: talk about Korea, right, Yeah, I definitely will talk about

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Speaker 1: in studio this time. Yeah. I honestly think between UM,

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Speaker 1: to have Jack Divine back in studio, well in studio

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Speaker 1: this time for the first time. UM. And then you

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Speaker 1: us because Dwayne Evans will be on soon. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: be a great interview, I think. Yeah. And as I

1761
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Speaker 1: mentioned in a previous episode, I gotta get Pat McNamara

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Speaker 1: on here. I've gotten so many people say get pack

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Speaker 1: mcnavera on Jason Everman. You said we'll be able to

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Speaker 1: have on at some point hopefully, Yeah, I think so. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's been a big request. Yeah, in the future, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna try to line that up, and um, I can't

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Speaker 1: promise Pat McNamara, Sorry, he's a great dude. Um, but

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Speaker 1: I'll ask the question. We'll see if he's interested. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Odissean is a very good impression of him. Namara. Yeah,

1770
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Speaker 1: he was doing it in the car with us. I

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Speaker 1: would not do a Pat McNamara impression. I met Pat

1772
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Speaker 1: in a bar once in North Carolina. Uh, super nice guy,

1773
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Speaker 1: but that guy could pick me up and my body

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Speaker 1: slamming into the ceiling. Yeah he looks huge. Yeah he's

1775
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Speaker 1: he's not that tall, but yeah he's like Jack. Yeah

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Speaker 1: he's he's a big guy. I would not want to

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