1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 4: Yes? 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 5: Are you ready for a break? 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 6: Absolutely? 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: Ready for a break? 9 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so much for that. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker, and Derek Eagleton. 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 7: It is Tuesday, August first, twenty twenty three, season nineteen, 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 7: episode number thirteen. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 7: We are alive from Oxnard, California. Cowboys are heavy into 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 7: training camp at this point. Pat's came on yesterday, so 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 7: we got a lot to talk about here today, got Brian, 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 7: Patrick Amber here with me. We'll get into some news 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 7: and notes, some injury updates. Jery had some comments about 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 7: Zach Martin that I think will mention talk a little 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 7: bit about. We'll get some standout moments from these guys. 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 7: It's things that they've seen here through on the first 22 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 7: day of paddick practice yesterday, and then we're going to 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 7: talk about the defense. I really want to find out 24 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 7: from you guys. This defense is ready to take that 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 7: next step and be elite I'm talking very top of 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 7: the league and what is required of them. 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 8: In order to get there. We'll talk about that in 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 8: the final segment. So let's get rolling. 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 7: Let's start first with some news and notes. Yesterday we 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 7: find out Ronald Jones facing a suspension. Patrick, what do 31 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 7: we know? 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 9: Ronald Jones suspended the first two games of the of 33 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 9: the coming regular season by the league for violation of 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 9: the performance Enhancing Drug Substance Abuse policy, not substance abuse 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 9: with PD policy better way to say it. So he's 36 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 9: definitely going to be out the first two weeks, and 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 9: it is key to remember, folks that he can still practice, 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 9: being all team meetings, that he can participate in preseason games. 39 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 9: It's just a two game regular game suspension. Of course, 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 9: that's going to sense shock waves down the depth chart. 41 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 9: As far as the Cowboys already needing to sort out 42 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 9: things behind Tony Pollard, that suspension is going to give 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 9: some guys like douce Von Hunter, Libkey Malik Davis, Rico 44 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 9: Dowdle some leverage that they did not have on Monday. 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 9: So interesting to see how that plays out as far 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 9: as how the Cowboys handle Ronald Jones going forward. 47 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 7: Oh, y'all think that's going to affect this running back 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 7: position battle really at the as the backup in the 49 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 7: backup role right now behind Tony Pollard. 50 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 10: Yeah, if you felt like that that you were looking 51 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 10: for a veteran presence, this affects. 52 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: You in that way. 53 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 10: Now, Malik Davis and Dowdell are veteran guys, but if 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 10: you're talking about guys that you know. With Ronald Jones, 55 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 10: he was a guy that has carried the ball a 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 10: lot in the National Football League, So if you were 57 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 10: counting on him as being one of the three, potentially 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 10: that kind of throws things into a little bit of 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 10: a I felt like though that this was a position 60 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 10: as we got into it that we all really needed 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 10: to keep an eye on. Anyway, could the veterans, you know, 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 10: show that they're good enough behind Pollard, you know, And 63 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 10: if that wasn't the case, I was thinking, Okay, well, 64 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 10: there's always that Ezekiel Elliott, you know, players situation, and 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 10: let's see what happens in New England. But there was 66 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 10: always kind of going to be that fallback position or 67 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 10: maybe go out and trade for somebody. So yeah, I 68 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 10: you know, as long as he can continue to practice, 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 10: I feel like that you could at least get an 70 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 10: idea of what you could have with him, you know, 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 10: now the first two games, I mean that's that's that's 72 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 10: pretty significant. You only play so many games. So yeah, 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 10: like Patrick says, it's going to be up now to 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 10: doubt Old, to Davis, to those guys Lipkey to step 75 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 10: up and say, Okay, we could do this better than 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 10: what ron If you've had this idea about what Ronald 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 10: Jones is, then we need to like change your mind 78 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 10: about him and put ourselves in that picture. 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 11: Yeah, and so far, just in general, and I know 80 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 11: the Paths just came on yesterday, and I don't know 81 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 11: if you guys feel the same way, But based on 82 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 11: what I've seen so far, I haven't seen much that 83 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 11: has been impressive to me. As far as the running 84 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 11: back group as a whole. There have been moments and 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 11: guys like Deuce Von he's shown like his size. There 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 11: has been moments where he no, it was the phrase 87 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 11: I was gonna use anyways, he's stop stop stop, Okay, 88 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 11: I'm gonna refocus. He has had moments where he's shown 89 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 11: speed and you know, he's been able to despite his 90 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 11: size on the field He's been a guy that you 91 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 11: notice regardless, so that has been good. But just overall, 92 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 11: I think that passing game has been way better so 93 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 11: far rather than the running game. And we'll see how 94 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 11: it develops. And you know, prior to the first padded practice, 95 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 11: you see them running and guys couldn't really tackle or anything, 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 11: and you see them playing. But overall, I'm I'm lacking 97 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 11: a little bit more from the running back group, and 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 11: I hope that moving forward we can start seeing a 99 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 11: lot more from that group, and also the O line, 100 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 11: how they're opening holes for them. 101 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 9: I think it when it comes to Ronald Jones, just 102 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 9: like Brian said, the Cowboys brought him in after the 103 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 9: Ezekiel Elliott release because they want that veteran presence, but 104 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 9: also he's more of the traditional back. He can give 105 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 9: you the power formations and short yardage. But I'm kind 106 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 9: of torn on this because on one side of it, 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 9: you say, well, it's not costing you much to keep 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 9: him around to see how that fleshes out, and that's 109 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 9: a valid argument, but you could also make the argument 110 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 9: that you know for a fact now he's not going 111 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 9: to be available for the first two games, so you 112 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 9: probably should give those camp reps to some of the 113 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 9: guys that could make the roster and will be available 114 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 9: those first two games. And like you said, Ambar, although 115 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 9: the running back room as a whole isn't necessarily standing 116 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 9: out just yet. And I think a lot of that 117 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 9: is because the Cowboys are testing that pass game, that 118 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 9: deep threat. That's why you see so many connections. Dak cooks, 119 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 9: Dak Lamb, that gallop down the field. But duce Vaughan 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 9: is really showing me something both as a receiver out 121 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 9: of the backfield on those screen routes, but also up 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 9: those A and B gaps, something that I've been hammering 123 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 9: to fans since the Cowboys acquired duce Vaughan. 124 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 5: Don't let that size fool you. 125 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 9: He teleports from behind the line of scrimmage, suddenly he's 126 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 9: at the second level. 127 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 5: They can't find him. 128 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 9: So if duce Von can continue to show things like that, 129 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 9: it just makes it that much more challenging for Ronald Jones. 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 10: You know, I know I was on the other end 131 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 10: of the field when they ran nine on seven, which 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 10: is an entirely run period, So you did see and 133 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 10: I know with Patrick you and I appreciate we're talking 134 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 10: about this a little bit that the first offensive line 135 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 10: versus like the two's and the threes on defense, you know, 136 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 10: and then with Harper and Cox playing the linebackers, they 137 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 10: took the ball down hill on that front seven for 138 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 10: the backup guys and you know, and and it was 139 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 10: you could see the backs hitting the hole and there 140 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 10: were holes there they did. The line did a really 141 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 10: nice job of opening up stuff in the running game 142 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 10: for that period. There was two times where Golston had 143 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 10: like a tackle for loss and then OsO Diggy's Awah 144 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 10: had a tackle for loss. But it was one of 145 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 10: those periods where I was like, I felt good about 146 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 10: the running backs at least taking the ball downhill and 147 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 10: physical at the at the defense, and the line did 148 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 10: a good job with that. But Embar, you're mentioning this 149 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 10: stuff about with with Deuce, they're using a lot of 150 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 10: different thing thing. I've seen him on the field with 151 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 10: Pollard Pollard in the backfield and then Deuce playing as 152 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 10: a slot And they actually ran a couple of screen 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,239 Speaker 10: passes yesterday that were that actually worked. 154 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: The timing looked good. 155 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 10: So anything to get these backs more involved with the 156 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 10: passing game. I mentioned too about Ric o' dabell. There 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 10: was one time where Isaiah Land came off the edge. 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 10: Doubt'll just destroyed him. I mean knocked him to the ground. 159 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 10: And you're like going, oh, okay, that's a full padded 160 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 10: practice play right there. You know the fact and Land learned. 161 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 10: It's like, listen, you know, you just can't come running 162 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 10: around the corner expect to be free. These backs are 163 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 10: gonna step up and tag and tag you and stuff. 164 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 10: So I think, for overall, for the for I saw 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 10: more because the pads yesterday than I had the previous 166 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 10: practices with these guys. 167 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, I will say this too. 168 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 7: When it comes to practice and training camp versus games, 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 7: linebackers and running backs, those are two positions. In my opinion, 170 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 7: it's most difficult to be able to evaluate right because 171 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 7: the primary role of both doesn't happen until you can 172 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 7: actually have live contact. Now you're taking people to the ground. 173 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 7: It is I'm evading your tackle and I'm trying to 174 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 7: tackle you, and neither one of those two things can 175 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 7: really happen out here in training camp. Practice a whole 176 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 7: hold on being able to make that final determination on 177 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 7: what the running backs are just yet. But again, some 178 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 7: small things I think you can't pick up on right now. 179 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 10: Well, there were just a couple of things that just 180 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 10: those little those flashes. When you watch practice, you're trying 181 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 10: to just take everything in and there's things that you miss. 182 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: I know that. 183 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 10: Parsons had a sack here practice yesterday, Yeah exactly, and 184 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 10: I was watching it but I couldn't figure out who 185 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 10: it was. And then all of a sudden, all these 186 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 10: folks to do a great job with their socials, you 187 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 10: know that that do the clips, I'm like. 188 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: Oh, Piren Smith's playing on Smith, Aron Smith playing on 189 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: one foot today. 190 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 10: So yeah, you know, sometimes you're watching practice and you're like, 191 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 10: what did I miss? You know, what did I miss 192 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 10: in that particular thing? So yeah, but you're right, it 193 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 10: shows up with the linebackers and running backsmen. 194 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 5: It's just the news. 195 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 9: The timing of the news on Ronald Jones, for him, 196 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 9: could not have come much of a worse time, because 197 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 9: a few hours prior, Mike McCarthy stood on that podium 198 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 9: and pointed at ric o'dowdell. He said, we're thrilled to 199 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 9: have him back and pointed at Maliite Davison. Now he 200 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 9: looks like he's ready to make the year two jump, 201 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 9: and then a few hours after McCarthy says that the 202 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 9: suspension comes so. 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 8: It ain't helping it. 204 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 5: It ain't helping, all right, Let's move on. 205 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 8: Let's get some injury updates. 206 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 7: We had a couple guys on the injury report yesterday 207 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 7: or added to the injury report. One person that seemed 208 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 7: like he might be making some strides to come back 209 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 7: from the injury report, Patri Quarter. 210 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 9: We know right now Trevon Diggs currently battling a sore 211 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 9: slash bruise tow He was doing individual drills on Monday. 212 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 9: Late last week, spoke with Mike McCarthy and he said 213 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 9: he expected that Trayvon could potentially be back as early 214 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 9: as this week. 215 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 5: He's trending in that direction. Trayvon is so good news there. 216 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 9: Cowboys, though, are being deliberately cautious with their ninety seven 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 9: million dollar manning. That just makes sense this early in camp. 218 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 9: Sam Williams he exited practice on yesterday first padded practice, 219 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 9: which with what is being described as a shoulder strain, 220 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 9: cowboys are don't show concern for it. I saw Sam 221 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 9: walking around yesterday. There's no type of apparatus on his shoulder. 222 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 9: He looks to be okay, but I don't know that 223 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 9: I expect to see him on the field today. Maybe 224 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 9: they'll be cautious with him as well. Durrence Armstrong didn't 225 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 9: practice yesterday. He was with the rehab group. Hamstring tightness 226 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 9: is what it's being told. Brian was able to get 227 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 9: on that. Cowboys are not concerned about that as well. 228 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 9: But again, now it's the time to be cautious on 229 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 9: some of these key players. We'll see if Durrance can 230 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 9: get back on the field at any point this week 231 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 9: for practice. 232 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 8: All right, let's go ahead real quick. 233 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 7: I wanted to move on to a topic that we've 234 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 7: talked about last week, Zach Martin not showing up at 235 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 7: training camp, presumably holding out for a new deal. Jerry 236 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 7: had a comment a couple of days ago that I 237 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 7: thought was worth mentioning and talking about. 238 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 8: Here was this quote. 239 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 7: He said, he's been at the top of the money 240 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 7: the whole time talking about Zach Barden. If you make 241 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 7: that adjustment, then you don't have the money to pay 242 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 7: the guys on their first contract. If it has nothing 243 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 7: to do with him. It's not about precedent, it's about facts. 244 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 7: We need the money to pay Parsons. We need the 245 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 7: money to pay the players that we got to pay 246 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 7: in the future. 247 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 8: That's a fact. What are your thoughts on that comment. 248 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 10: I kind of feel like though that this reminded me 249 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 10: very much of the Joe I think have learned their 250 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 10: lesson on this one. And it goes back to Derek. 251 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 10: You sent me to the Combine one year and it 252 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 10: was when Ezekiel Elliott's contract was kind of in flux. 253 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 10: So we did an interview with Steven Jones and he 254 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 10: was talking about. 255 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: It starts with Todd Gurley. It's gonna be Todd Gurley and. 256 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 10: This is where it's gonna start, and we're all kind 257 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 10: of looking at each other, like, does it really have 258 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 10: to start it that much? 259 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 4: You know? 260 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: Kind of a thing. I think the Joneses, I think 261 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: they they know they can't come out and talk. 262 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 10: They'd say, this is a Hall of Fame player, we 263 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 10: have to have this guy. This is a Ring of 264 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 10: honor guy. If we're going to the super Bowl, we 265 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 10: have He can't really say that because I think it's 266 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 10: come back on them before on some of these contracts. 267 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 10: So I think Jerry holding the line. They know what 268 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 10: Zach Martin is. I talked to somebody before practice yesterday 269 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 10: kind of know what was going on with things, and 270 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 10: they were just not sure, you know, when this would all. 271 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 10: You know, they didn't anticipate in missing any games, but 272 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 10: we don't know right now. 273 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: I don't think he will. 274 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 10: But the thing about it is, I think the was 275 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 10: have to play things really close to the vest on 276 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 10: this one. Jerry's right about the contracts he's got mean, 277 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 10: they got that DIGS contract then. 278 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was going to be an easy 279 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: one for them to do. 280 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 10: And the fact of the matter is they got it 281 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 10: done less than market value. Wasn't the highest paid player 282 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 10: at the position. That's right in Stephen Jones and out 283 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 10: of Pacifica's wheelhouse right there. 284 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: You give us a little wiggle. 285 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 10: Room that we could play with here, and I think 286 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 10: the same thing with Zach Morton a little bit. Maybe 287 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 10: they'll find a way to find some wiggle room. But 288 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 10: I think Jerry and Steven Mike McCarthy have to be 289 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 10: careful about talking about Zach in a way that we 290 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 10: all know what Zach really really is. 291 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: I think that burned them in the past. 292 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 10: I don't think they want that to be used against 293 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 10: them in this particular time that they're doing with him. 294 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 5: Pay the man, Pay the man. 295 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 9: I understand what Jerry is doing, and I think Brian's 296 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 9: right in that the Cowboys are probably probably leveraging the 297 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 9: situation in the media more than they might have in 298 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 9: the past. I think when it comes to a player 299 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 9: like Zach Martin, everyone knows the consensus is even despite 300 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 9: what Jerry might say in front of a camera, in 301 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 9: front of a hot mike, the consistent consensus inside of 302 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 9: the building is the same outside of the building. Zach 303 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 9: Martin is the best player on this team, and he 304 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 9: also has the leverage because he's on an offensive line 305 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 9: that is still trying to sort itself out. He's the 306 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 9: only thing that you can count on that you can 307 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 9: point out right now and say he's ready to go. 308 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 9: Terrence still looks good, but we're still working him back. 309 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 9: Tyron Smith and Tyler Smith on the left side. Tyron 310 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 9: said yesterday, Tyrn said yesterday he's working to get chemistry 311 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 9: with the young man. So again, the only thing you 312 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 9: can really point at, shouts out to Tyler Beatis as well, 313 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 9: is say Zach Martin, Zach Martin, Zach Martin. So the 314 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 9: leverage is there, the caliber of player is there, you 315 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 9: pay that man. 316 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 5: But then, while it's true that you. 317 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 9: Also have to pay Micaeh and then CD is coming due, 318 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 9: when you have these other things to worry about. Durrance 319 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 9: is another guy. He's coming up do as well for 320 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 9: another contract. You can massage the salary cap however you 321 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 9: need to in a crunch. We've seen teams do it 322 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 9: on a perennial basis. But then also to that point, 323 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 9: if you know you need to pay Michael and you 324 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 9: know you need to pay CD. Example, Zach Martin is 325 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 9: set to hit the salary cap for eleven million dollars 326 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 9: this year, twenty three million dollars next year. If you 327 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 9: get a long term, another long term deal done with 328 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 9: Zach Martin, you can theoretically reduce the cap hit for 329 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 9: year one and two, especially definitely year one, and that 330 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 9: allows you more leverage to be able to start negotiating 331 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 9: with Micah, negotiating with Lamb, so it can be worked. 332 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 9: I understand what Jerry's doing, but to quote Dak Prescott again, 333 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 9: pay the man before you before you go. 334 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: Lambert. 335 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 7: I have a question for you, though you said the 336 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 7: leverage is there, when you were talking about Zach, where's 337 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 7: their leverage? Because the way I the way I look 338 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 7: at it now, I agree with a lot of Now 339 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 7: I'm sorry, go ahead and take your comar. 340 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 11: Come, we're about to say the same. Okay, We've had 341 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 11: this conversation off the air, and we went through the math. 342 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 11: You did the calculation and all of that, and initially 343 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 11: I was with you, Patrick, I'm like, to me, he 344 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 11: had all the Leverage's Zach freaking Martin, what are you 345 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 11: talking about? Just pay him? And that was my thought 346 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 11: at the beginning of camp. But the longer we go 347 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 11: and another day goes by, you start thinking about it 348 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 11: from the Cowboys perspective and you're like, Okay, they really 349 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 11: are the ones who have the upper hand here because 350 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 11: we know that every practice that he's not here, that's 351 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 11: fifty thousand dollars off. What do you call this? Fine? 352 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 11: And fine? Derek did the math. It came to about. 353 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 8: Camp is gonna be over a million dollars, over. 354 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 11: A million dollars for the whole for whole training camp now, and. 355 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 7: I'm talking about training camp in Oxnard. I'm not talking 356 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 7: about even get back, which is insane. 357 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 11: But as soon as you get into the regular season, 358 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 11: that's a whole Yeah, yeah, that's insane amount. 359 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 8: Of a lot of money. 360 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 11: But again, from cowboy's perspective, you look at it, we 361 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 11: talk about the other the chances that it gives these 362 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 11: other guys to get in reps and practice time. We 363 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 11: know stach Martin is a veteran, we know how professional 364 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 11: he is. We know you're you're not doubting in his game, 365 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 11: like you're not doubting him, and you know he's that 366 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 11: type of guy that can be plugged in right away whenever. 367 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 11: So I keep thinking, I'm like, Okay, does sac really 368 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 11: have any kind of leverage unless there's an injury that 369 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 11: occurs out here and you're like, oh, okay, that might 370 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 11: be a brief. 371 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 7: Ultimately, the only leverage I think he has is if 372 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 7: he's at a point in his life where he's like, 373 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 7: I'll retire. 374 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the only leverage he has. 375 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 7: If he's not will to retire, all he's doing is 376 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 7: is just hemorrhaging money. And I'm just gonna tell you, 377 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 7: from my perspective, I got a wife at home and 378 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 7: kids at home, and they're gonna be like, Dad, why 379 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 7: are you sitting at home and losing money For the family, like, 380 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 7: you need to get back to work. 381 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 8: I don't see that being much leverage around. 382 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 10: He retires, he has to pay money back something else. 383 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 10: Everything's gonna cost him where everything's gonna cost him at 384 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 10: the end of the day. 385 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: I think that maybe the Cowboys can do this. I 386 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: know there's a seven. 387 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 10: Million dollar valley between the top guy and what Zach's 388 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 10: looking at right now. Could the Cowboys find a way 389 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 10: to go halfway on that? You know, could you just 390 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 10: old school, Hey, we'll give you, we'll give you, We'll 391 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 10: give you a two and a half million dollar bump, 392 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 10: you know, here we go. Would that would that be 393 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 10: something that would would work for you? But yeah, I 394 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 10: mean it's it's clear. You watch practice out here. You 395 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 10: notice he's. 396 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: Not there, correct, You notice it? 397 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 10: I mean, and I and I appreciate what Farniac has done, 398 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 10: but there's others that haven't been so good. And I 399 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 10: there's a side of me that's like him and Steel 400 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 10: work really well together, they really do. And I'm I 401 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 10: was excited about seeing that once again. But uh yeah, 402 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 10: he's him sit at home and they're kind of like, 403 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 10: we just don't know. He's gonna have to make the. 404 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: Decision on I don't. 405 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 9: I don't think Zach is looking to reset the market. 406 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 9: I think he's just looking for, like you said, an 407 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 9: increase that better shows the appreciation of what he brings 408 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 9: to the team and to the league. But then as 409 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 9: far as the leverage part goes, I don't believe he 410 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 9: has one hundred percent leverage because whenever their fine is involved, 411 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 9: the team is always going. 412 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 5: To have that leverage that they can hold over the player. 413 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 9: But as practices go along and you see Zach absent 414 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 9: and again, farniyok, he's coming along. But this season is 415 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 9: so pivotal, I can't stress it enough. You talk about 416 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 9: the acquisition of Brandon Cooks and Gilmore on the defensive 417 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 9: side of the ball, the pieces have been added. 418 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 5: The expectation is there. 419 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 9: Dak is working with these wide receivers, Tobart maybe taking 420 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 9: a step forward. Gallup's supposed to have a bounce back season. 421 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 9: It's now Mike has taken over the play calling duties. 422 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 9: So are you really from Jerry's perspective, you have to 423 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 9: look at me and say, am I really willing to 424 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 9: push this to the limit and potentially risk the entire 425 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 9: season by not having Zach Martin even for one or 426 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 9: two games, because those first two games, I mean the 427 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 9: first one is a division game. 428 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, so his leverage will be if something happens to 429 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 10: Tyron Smith, That's where his leverage will be, because what 430 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 10: will happen is it'll force him to move Tyler Smith. 431 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: Now, you got two guards, you got a film. Do 432 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 2: you think that'll be at. 433 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 11: Even consider it missing a first regular season game? 434 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm Zack, so I haven't. I haven't been. 435 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 9: I don't know because if if I'm Zach, if I 436 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 9: allow them to believe I won't, then I might as 437 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 9: well report right now. 438 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 5: Right. 439 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 7: But that also goes back to the point like Brian, 440 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 7: when you said, Okay, what they decide they're going to 441 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 7: give him something, yes, two or three million, Well guess 442 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 7: what if he misses all the way through the first game, 443 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 7: he's probably already chewed into over a million over two 444 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 7: million at that point of money that he's lost. So 445 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 7: whatever they give it, if they give him two million, 446 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 7: that point, he just basically is just paying for fines. 447 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 7: At that point, he's just miss He's missed the game. Check, 448 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 7: he's missed all the training camp. Like that's a lot 449 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 7: of money. So for every day he's out here, he's 450 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 7: actually losing money, and whatever the Cowboys give him would 451 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 7: then only be subtracted that you don't be subtracting. 452 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 10: Well, he's got two more weeks of camp right here, 453 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 10: right you we got this week. We had three weeks, 454 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 10: so you know, if he gets to this week and 455 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 10: then reports next week, then you know, then the fines 456 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 10: that everything we're talking about. It's not the number of 457 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 10: the million dollars, which you've done the math correctly. 458 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 9: And also keep in mind the team doesn't have to 459 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 9: levy those finds. 460 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: They they do. 461 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 11: Used to. 462 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 7: It. It is a cutting, it is. It has to happen. 463 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 7: Every day you missed, you are going to be fine. 464 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 5: So it's a race against the money. 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Nominate yourself or another 523 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 10: today at Dallascowboys dot com slash Fan of the Air 524 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 10: Welcome Back. 525 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 7: It is the second segment of the Break Life, Maxnard, California. 526 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 7: This segment brought to you by blockchain dot Com. Boo, 527 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 7: all right, let's let's get some standout moments. I want 528 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 7: to get a standout moment, standout player, something that caught 529 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 7: your eye, particularly yesterday when the Cowboys at their first 530 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 7: padded practice. 531 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 8: Amber, I'm gonna start with. 532 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 11: You, Okay. I don't want to sound like a broken 533 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 11: record because it happens every single year out here at 534 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 11: training camp. And that's the wide receivers. They always stand 535 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 11: out at training camp. That's how it is. It's just 536 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 11: more to their benefit the way these practices go. Something 537 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 11: about this time though, that I see a certain spark 538 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,719 Speaker 11: speed from the wide receivers group. Yesterday a guy that 539 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 11: really stood out for me was Kevanta Turping Turping. He's 540 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 11: a guy that even last year you were wondering, Okay, 541 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 11: how can he be that tool, that little gadget weapon 542 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 11: in the offense, how can the Cowboys use him? And 543 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 11: they're really trying him out out here in different ways, 544 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 11: and he has been speedy, he has been good with 545 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 11: his hands catching the ball. And also to point out 546 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 11: for the quarterbacks that I think he's had some great throws. 547 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 11: But also Will Greer he has stood out to me 548 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 11: as far as like he's kind of moving up ahead 549 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 11: so far, he's had a better training camp than Cooper Rush. 550 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 11: Greer is looking really really good and some of those 551 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 11: throws has been pretty impressive to me. 552 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 9: For me, I'm going to one of the positions that 553 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 9: all Oyds are on, and that's the kicker competition between 554 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 9: Tristan Viska and no and brand to Aubrey. Yeah, they're 555 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 9: not out here because you notice the camera still camera 556 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 9: still standard. After what was a rough warm up late 557 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 9: last week, they quitted themselves very well yesterday in the 558 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 9: Mojo Moment. Both Aubrey and Viscaino went three for three 559 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 9: respectively in the Mojo Moment from thirty eight, forty four 560 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 9: and forty eight. 561 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 5: So long road ahead. 562 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 9: As far as this competition is concerned, but very promised 563 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 9: and start, especially coming off of what we saw when 564 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 9: we were doing our last show. 565 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 5: So it looks like they're on the right track. 566 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 9: But again I'm still of the mindset that the Cowboys 567 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 9: are very willing to add a veteran later in camp 568 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 9: if that competition doesn't go well. And then I'm also 569 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 9: looking at Jabril Cox, and I know I mentioned this before, 570 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 9: but Jabril Cox just looks like the LSU version of 571 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 9: Jabril Cox. 572 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: He looks quicker, he looks more decisive. 573 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 9: He's playing with muscle memory and not overthinking it, and 574 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 9: he's really making an impact every time I happened to 575 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 9: look over at him to see what he's doing. 576 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 5: He's reading, he's reacting. So things look good there. 577 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 9: And if they can get Jabril Cox the LSU version, 578 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 9: which is the version they were hoping to get in 579 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 9: the fourth round, then you've slved the LB three equation 580 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 9: and then you work for depth behind that. 581 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 10: These offensive tackles need Michael Parsons to take a day off, 582 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 10: they really do. 583 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: He needs a veteran day. I think there actually were. 584 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 10: I saw him walk in as a group over to 585 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy's dorm room over here. 586 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they want MIKEAE to take a day off. Yeah, 587 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: And that's always the low. 588 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 10: Hanging fruit when you talk about players with the Dallas Cowboys. 589 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 10: But it's the thing that comes to mind for me 590 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 10: is we saw so many posts this summer with Michael 591 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 10: Parsons doing things, whether in Austin or other parts of 592 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 10: the country, training with people, meeting with Andrew Whitworth, the 593 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 10: offensive tackle, the very fine tackle, super Bowl winning tackle, 594 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 10: about how to break guys down, how to manipulate his. 595 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Rush and stuff like that. 596 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 10: It's just showing you what he's doing out here. All 597 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 10: that stuff that he did, the rope, you know, pulls, 598 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 10: the running, the jumping, everything he did is showing up 599 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 10: here on this field. And it came on when the 600 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 10: when the pads were on, and you know he's he's 601 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 10: understanding this. He gets tiring Smith's weight all the way 602 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 10: out on his left foot and he just Reggie White 603 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 10: hump moves him. 604 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: You know that boo that hump move and it. 605 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 10: Gets him knocked off, you know, and he's just he's 606 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 10: being this disruptive and that's what cowboy fans are, like, 607 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 10: what more can Micah do? 608 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: How high can he continue to raise the bar as 609 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 2: a player? 610 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 10: Because you're seeing it out here right now, You're seeing 611 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 10: everything he did this summer is showing up on this 612 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 10: field behind us right now. And again that's the low 613 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 10: hanging fruit. 614 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 11: Yeah, yesterday, watching practice. Typically, when you're watching these practices, 615 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 11: I mean, you tend to root more for the offense 616 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 11: just because those are the exciting plays that are happening, 617 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 11: the flashy plays and all that. And I'm watching this, 618 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 11: I'm like, oh, all right, there's Micah Parsons again, as 619 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 11: if that was a bad thing. But he would end 620 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 11: that play right after or as soon as it started, 621 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 11: so he and also DeMarcus Lawrence getting there. 622 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Parsons is just unreal. U. 623 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 9: And there was one particular play, the play where he 624 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 9: was lined up on the right edge against Tyron and 625 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 9: then Michael Gallup was gonna chip and both Gallop and 626 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 9: Tyron just got walked. I mean Micah did the inside 627 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 9: step and teleported in the backfield and that was the 628 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 9: end of the play. And I literally, without even realizing it, 629 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 9: I cursed out loud because I was like, holy blank 630 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 9: based on what I saw, Like Michael Parsons, no matter 631 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 9: where they line him up, no matter who they line 632 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 9: him up against, he is just owning it. So, like 633 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 9: Brian said, there might be a petition going around for 634 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 9: a veteran day for Micah. 635 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 636 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, actually. 637 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 10: To your quarterback through the ball, Well, yes, I know 638 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,239 Speaker 10: there was a clip about the interception and stuff like 639 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 10: that that you know, I mean, you know, Reid say 640 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 10: what you one on that, But overall I thought Dak 641 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 10: threw the ball. Well, if you watch how the routes 642 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 10: were were developing, and you know, guys, whether it was Cooks, 643 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 10: whether I'll tell you what the guy's kind of catching. 644 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 10: And Ambar brought this up about but Jalen Brooks, the 645 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 10: rookie from South Carolina who they drafted late, He's shown 646 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 10: up not only when the non padded practices catching the ball, 647 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 10: but in these in the pad practice yesterday catching the football. 648 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 10: Good route runner, knows where he needs to be, not 649 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 10: making mistakes. You know, I was watching, Yeah, I was 650 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 10: watching these guys. I was watching these guys, you know, 651 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 10: over on the platform standing by the receivers, and they 652 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 10: are really working tirelessly on steps, driving on the ball, 653 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 10: but also extended you know, not body catching or anything 654 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 10: like that. So, you know, good job by Young Brooks 655 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 10: and the other wide receivers and Dak. I felt like 656 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 10: with the exception of the pass that Hooker intercepted, I 657 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 10: finally felt like Dak was just trying to throw that 658 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 10: one away because it was just so poorly thrown at 659 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 10: that time. But still the rest of the day, I 660 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 10: thought he was pin where he needed to. 661 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 5: Be boss coming out. Huh. 662 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 9: Also, keep an eye on Neville Galimore. First padded practice. 663 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 9: Galimore had a very strong practice. You know, you talked 664 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 9: about Chauncey Golston making a play, and we know Osa 665 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 9: is gonna make a play coming off a career year, 666 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 9: but pivotal year for Neville Galimore, especially with the addition 667 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 9: of Mazzie Smith. And there will be packages where Hankins 668 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 9: and Masira up a line side by side. 669 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 5: What does that mean for Galimore? Yesterday? 670 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 9: On at least one particular rep Galimore versus Tyler Smith, 671 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 9: that's some real strength that he's going against. 672 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 5: He got Tyler going. 673 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 9: Full body to the left and then he just threw 674 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 9: him to the ground, and there was Tyler on the 675 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 9: ground and Neville was already in the backfield. So good day, 676 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 9: Good start the padded practice for Galamore as well. 677 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 7: All right, we're gonna take our final break. Let's come back. 678 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 7: Let's talk about this defense. We've mentioned Michael Parsons. 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Mission 734 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 10: is free for four More information, visit Dallas Cowboys dot com. 735 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 10: Slash Training Camp one of the hottest ox Snard practices 736 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 10: we've had right training camps. 737 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 5: We've been here a long time. It's been in the eighties. 738 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: I mean I shouldn't complain because it's been back home. 739 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 2: It's yeah, triple back home. 740 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 10: It's one hundred and seven every day, and it's nice 741 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 10: out here at night and all that. But this is 742 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 10: one of the warmest ones we've had. 743 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's you're here all day long. 744 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. But do you feel like they practiced a long time? 745 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 10: I felt like with Garrett we were out here for 746 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 10: like three days practice and. 747 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 5: A half two hours yesterday. 748 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 9: Did feel I felt it was over pretty quickly. 749 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, Praks did so. 750 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: Man, I could have had all my filmwork done by 751 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: the time. 752 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 7: I'm just thinking about I'm thinking about what it used 753 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 7: to be in Witstaf Falls, when it was two practice. 754 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 2: I was every day. 755 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 7: I was with you two hours, one in the morning, 756 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 7: one in the afternoon, full pass for both, Like it 757 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 7: was a difference. 758 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 2: I was with you. 759 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 10: The reason we're here in Oxnard is because of Wichita Falls. 760 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll remember. 761 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 10: I'll never forget Jerry Jones standing on that tower. It 762 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 10: was myself from Larry Lacewell. 763 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 8: You were still working in it's. 764 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 10: Still working scouting and I was standing on that tower 765 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 10: with Jerry and he looked at Lace and goes, this 766 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 10: is madness. 767 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 2: This is absolutely madness. What it was. Either it was 768 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: Death Valley, California or Wichitaal Falls were the two hottest 769 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 2: places in the country when we were training. We're lucky 770 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 2: we didn't have a player go down. 771 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 7: And there was no in, no bubble or anything that 772 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 7: they were practicing outside. Outside of these practices, it was 773 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 7: at least mid nineties, maybe one hundred. 774 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,839 Speaker 2: It was hot. 775 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 5: It was really There was some. 776 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 10: Days where it's like one hundred and two hundred and 777 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 10: three hundred and seven hundred and eight. 778 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 2: It was different. They remember that they had all those 779 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 2: real quick they had all those IVY beds. 780 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 10: You went into the locker room and there were fifty 781 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 10: beds that were ready. 782 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 8: It was like, you're gonna need it. 783 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like they had these like just lay down, 784 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: you need an IVY. I'm like in the personnel department, 785 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 2: laying in the ivy man. 786 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 7: It is the third segment of the regular Lifebox California. 787 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: They're running it. 788 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 8: We're gonna talk defense now. We got a little bit 789 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 8: of time here. 790 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 7: I want to get into this defense and I want 791 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 7: to figure out what this defense needs to do at 792 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 7: this point to take that next step, because I think 793 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 7: they're considered across the league to be one of the 794 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 7: better defenses in the league. I don't think they're at 795 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 7: the point where they're considered the best defense in the league. 796 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,479 Speaker 7: San Francisco forty nine ers our team where I think 797 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 7: most team most people think that's probably the head of 798 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 7: the class. But what does Dallas need to do? What 799 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 7: is if you had one thing that they had to 800 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 7: improve on from last year, what do they need to 801 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 7: do in order to take them to that? 802 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: Can I give you two real quick? 803 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 8: Give me too. 804 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 10: I'll try and do too quick, you know me. I'm 805 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 10: never quick at doing anything. I think they need to 806 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 10: find out. They need to get de Mont Clark playing well, 807 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 10: and they're gonna need to get Sam Williams playing well. 808 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 10: If those two things, if those two things hit for them, 809 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 10: because I think everything else is kind of in place. 810 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 10: I think the corners room place, the safeties are in place. 811 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 10: I'm just worried about, Like I said, gimme Damon Clark 812 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 10: playing at a really high level with Leyton vander ash 813 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 10: and gimme Sam Williams unblockable. That was making like in 814 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 10: his short reps that he was getting tackles for loss, 815 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 10: double digit tackles for loss. Give me those two things. 816 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 10: This defense has got a chance to be that top defense. 817 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 9: And two things for me, because they're going to take 818 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 9: the ball away. That feels like a four goinge conclusion. 819 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 9: Point Number one, stay healthy, which now means get healthy 820 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 9: when you talk about Donovan Izzy tray Von Sam So 821 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 9: get healthy and stay healthy because on a paper on paper, 822 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 9: you have arguably the best defense in the league on paper, right. 823 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 9: So that's the first and primary part of the equation. 824 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 9: Second part of the equation is stop the run. That's 825 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 9: what you got Jonathan Hankins for via trade last year. 826 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 9: That's why you doubled down and used the first round 827 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 9: pick on Mazzie Smith. 828 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 5: Stop the run. 829 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 9: If this team with this personnel said, and this defensive 830 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 9: coordinator can stop the run, was teams to pass and 831 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 9: deal with Michael Parsons and DeMarcus Lawrence in that pass 832 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 9: rush and deal with if Demon Clark has the year 833 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,720 Speaker 9: to jump, a healthy Layton vander USh and then forcing 834 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 9: the ball out to the boundaries inside Nickel Cornet, Deron 835 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 9: Jordan when he comes back, Trevon Diggs Stefan on the 836 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 9: boundaries and in the back you got Dono Jyron Curse 837 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 9: flexing and you got Malie Hooker. So again for me, 838 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 9: it starts with stopping the ball. And if they can 839 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 9: do that, where do you go Because you can't run, 840 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 9: but you can't pass, so good luck, so stay healthy 841 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 9: and then stop the run. 842 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 11: Those were gonna be my exact two points. So thank 843 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 11: you Patrick for already explaining. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I mean, 844 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 11: I don't know what else I could even add to 845 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 11: all of that you guys said, I absolutely agree with 846 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 11: all of it. The only thing I would say, just 847 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 11: keep being able to create takeaways, get your hands on 848 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 11: the ball. We saw that last year and how well 849 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 11: it worked for them and how much it'd actually well 850 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 11: they had to help the offense. Las we still don't 851 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 11: know what this offense is going to look like once 852 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 11: they start playing in the regular season and how much 853 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 11: more productive can they be. But let's say, if Dak 854 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 11: keeps throwing the balls or the receivers don't catch or 855 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 11: let it bounce from him and then give the ball away, 856 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 11: you're gonna need to have your defense there to kind 857 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 11: of help get that ball back for you. So just 858 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 11: being good with their hands once again and creating those takeaways, 859 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 11: creating interceptions and helping your offense as much as you 860 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 11: can in that way. 861 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 10: Amber makes a really good point though about that, because 862 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 10: how about Mike McCarthy helped this defense. You know, how 863 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 10: he calls plays, how he manipulates offense, how they score points, 864 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 10: how they control the ball. You know those are all 865 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 10: things that can you know, all of a sudden you 866 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 10: make opponents one dimensional. What's the one thing Dallas could 867 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 10: do and get after the pass and come after you 868 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 10: there and they could cover on the back end. So absolutely, 869 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy can help you a lot if you're Dan 870 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 10: Quinn on that defense. 871 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 7: What does Michael Parson's We know he's a phenomenal players, 872 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 7: been in the running for Defensive Player of the Year 873 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 7: in each of his first two years, But what parts 874 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 7: of his game can you identify with you? You're like, man, 875 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 7: this is where if Michaeh does this, he's going to 876 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 7: be easily as he says, he wants to be that 877 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 7: unanimous decision or a defensive Player of the Year. What 878 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 7: is that thing that if he does it, it'll get 879 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 7: him there. 880 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 10: If you start, if he starts creating turnovers, if all 881 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 10: of a sudden he is going into the pocket and 882 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,319 Speaker 10: he's slamming the ball out of quarterback's hands, or he's 883 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 10: on the rush and he doesn't quite get there. Now 884 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 10: he's tipping a ball in the air. If he becomes 885 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 10: the guy that can can do that to where all 886 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 10: of a sudden, every time that he's near the quarterback, 887 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 10: it's a potential turnover, That's the thing for me with 888 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 10: Michael Parsons. He does everything else so well. He tackles, 889 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,480 Speaker 10: he finishes, can he create turnovers? And if he's creating turnovers, 890 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 10: this defense will go a long way to be in 891 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 10: that top defense. 892 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 2: Again we're talking. 893 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 5: About I'm right there with that. 894 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 9: I think that if he adds that to his repertoire, 895 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 9: I mean, best player in the league. And I mean 896 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 9: that's even if you factor in Aaron Donald. And this 897 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 9: is something that Michael talked about this offseason. He wants 898 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 9: to be the disruptive player. He wants to be in 899 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 9: the Aaron Donald type conversation. And that's not always going 900 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 9: to mean that you have to get, you know, fifteen 901 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 9: to twenty sacks a season. Sometimes that means recognizing that 902 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 9: you need to get your hands up in the passing 903 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,399 Speaker 9: lane and do a JJ Watt and you know, create 904 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 9: a tip drill for I got to get that takeaway. 905 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 9: So if he can do that, and I will also 906 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,799 Speaker 9: say he's improving in his run defense, but if he 907 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 9: can learn when to change gears from going or teeing 908 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 9: off on a quarterback to saying okay, I recognize this 909 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 9: play midway and I peel off and I, you know, 910 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 9: track this running back down towards the sideline. If he 911 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 9: can improve upon that as well, he'll be unstoppable. And 912 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 9: we saw him and teleport in the backfield yesterday. I 913 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 9: pad a practice to shut down the running back so 914 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 9: he looks like he's on track. For that second thing I. 915 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 11: Said, I would say the only other thing that I 916 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 11: can think of, just to say something, it would be 917 00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 11: to stay level, like maintaining his ego, because so far 918 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,839 Speaker 11: we've seen opposing teams not really being able to take 919 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,839 Speaker 11: him away and handle him. But let's say year what three, 920 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 11: three three, We're in year three, and now teams maybe 921 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 11: start figuring out how to kind of stop him for 922 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 11: a few more seconds and handle him. But then that's 923 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 11: messing with his head. And we know that's one thing 924 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,919 Speaker 11: that when he gets two in his head, it can 925 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 11: throw him off a little bit. And also what happens 926 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 11: when let's say that creates opportunities for other guys on 927 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 11: the line. You know, that makes him upset. We're all 928 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,279 Speaker 11: on the same team. But you know how he is. 929 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 11: He's such a competitive nature. So just stay in level, 930 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 11: keep going at it and not letting anything that happens 931 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:45,959 Speaker 11: just get to his head. 932 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 9: Like he didn't want to come off the field in 933 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 9: Minnesota for example. 934 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, again, Amber makes a really really good 935 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 10: point about that, because we did see a team take 936 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 10: him out of a game. 937 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 2: We did see Philadelphia take. 938 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 10: Him out of a game where all of a sudden 939 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 10: they aid him play indecisive. You know, so maybe to 940 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 10: Ambar's point again, but you making the last point, you 941 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,440 Speaker 10: make the best point that so the to me, the 942 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 10: the ability to to for him to have that awareness that, Okay, 943 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 10: this is what they're trying to do to me. 944 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,720 Speaker 2: They they're trying to make me play slow. 945 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 10: They're not letting me play quick, and so him his 946 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 10: ability to adapt to what teams are trying to do 947 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 10: to him. 948 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, well, we'll said on your part. 949 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 11: Here, I was just saying something to say something. Turns 950 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 11: out you're neverthing I think. 951 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: I think It's actually maybe the best point I really do. 952 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 10: That's one they made him play slow. How do you 953 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 10: stop Michael persons? You make him play slow? Philadelphia made 954 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 10: him play slow. 955 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 11: And that's one thing can be his weakness. It's just 956 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,399 Speaker 11: the mental part of the game, because he does tend 957 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 11: to get frustrated. 958 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, if he can aggressive. 959 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 11: Yeah he is, but sometimes it gets the better out 960 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 11: of it. 961 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 5: You can work. 962 00:43:59,280 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 4: No. 963 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 7: Absolutely great, that that was actually where I was gonna go. 964 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 7: If you didn't, was that that Philly game showed you something? 965 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 7: And best believe in the NFL, when teams show you, 966 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 7: when teams show you a way to do something against 967 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 7: a particular player, other teams are looking at that and 968 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 7: they're like, how can we take advantage of that? Not 969 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,759 Speaker 7: everybody has adjailent hurts, so not everybody's gonna be able 970 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 7: to do what Philadelphia did. But that being said, there 971 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 7: will be teams that will look for those types of plays, 972 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 7: those types of scenarios to get him in those moments 973 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 7: when he can be indecisive, and if they can make 974 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 7: him in decisive that slows him down, that helps the offense. 975 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 5: I believe Michael looked at that filmy. 976 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely as. 977 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 7: You gotta, you gotta, you gotta get yourself to put 978 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 7: you understand where your weaknesses are and you gotta be 979 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 7: working on those because they're gonna exploit them. 980 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 981 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys joinings. We'll be back on Thursday. 982 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 7: Get into a little bit more. We got some more 983 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 7: padded practices and got padded practice today and then walk 984 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 7: through tomorrow, then another practice on Thursday, so till then. 985 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 7: For Brian Brodis, Patrick Walker, Ambergarcia, I'm Derek Eagleton. This 986 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 7: has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 987 00:44:59,680 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 5: Ready. 988 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 989 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,280 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club