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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast. AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about psychokinesis and manifestation. How

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Speaker 2: did they combine?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, George, psychokinesis is the same thing as telekinesis,

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Speaker 3: affecting your matter with your intention or your consciousness. And

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Speaker 3: that would be kind of things like bending metal.

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Speaker 4: We have bent plastic.

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Speaker 3: Even have a picture of somebody putting a number two

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Speaker 3: pencil into a curly queue. And we also grow seeds

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Speaker 3: in our hand and two minutes inch and a half

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Speaker 3: root growth lighting light bulbs like fluorescent bulbs. And with

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Speaker 3: your energy, we've measured four hundred volts.

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Speaker 4: Off our hands there.

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Speaker 3: And all kinds of things there that are using energy

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Speaker 3: to affect the physical. Also, energy healing and manifestation is

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Speaker 3: another way to affec the physical. So I think it's

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Speaker 3: the same energy we're talking about for energy healing and

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Speaker 3: b K. When we go and create results in our lives,

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Speaker 3: and if our energy's really clear and directed, and yet

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Speaker 3: we also know how to let go and let the

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Speaker 3: best come in for us, that's when things flow really

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Speaker 3: really well.

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Speaker 2: Joseph, are these some of the techniques that mentalist uri

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Speaker 2: Geller uses, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yuri was interesting, seventeen year old guy coming over from Israel.

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Speaker 3: And I know some people that seen him in laboratories

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Speaker 3: at independent universities, and they'd have master magicians watching him

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Speaker 3: and high speed cameras, and he was able to bend

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Speaker 3: metal well. They could jam watches with aluminum foil and

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Speaker 3: he'd get them to work again. One of the people

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Speaker 3: who worked at Montroe in with me as a trainer

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Speaker 3: was hosting him down in Florida, and she saw reports

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Speaker 3: seeing things fly around the room when he was when

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Speaker 3: he was frustrated, and she was going to lunch, and

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Speaker 3: on the way back, she felt really good having been

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Speaker 3: with him, and started drizzling a little bit, and she said, oh,

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Speaker 3: pennies from heaven, and a whole bunch of pennies came

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Speaker 3: showering up over her in the street as she walked

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Speaker 3: back from lunch. So he had a lot of interesting

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Speaker 3: phenomena associated with him.

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Speaker 2: He was on our program several years ago when he

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Speaker 2: had people bring their dead watches and clocks to the

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Speaker 2: close to this of the radio. He would go run, run, run, work, work, work,

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Speaker 2: And I was getting emails from people saying, my watch

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Speaker 2: is working it hasn't worked in years. Yeah, or my

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Speaker 2: clock with a dead battery is working. And then let's

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Speaker 2: jump ahead about two years later. We re ran the

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Speaker 2: program on one of our weekend slots and I'm getting

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Speaker 2: and all these emails the next day from people saying,

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Speaker 2: my watches are working. What this is incredible? And it

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Speaker 2: dawned on me it was an urry show. It even

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Speaker 2: works when he's not online.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's a real weird thing.

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Speaker 3: When people would watch him sometimes on TV, then they'd

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Speaker 3: go to get their silverware, maybe they're having a cup

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Speaker 3: of coffee, and they opened the silverware drawer and there

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Speaker 3: would be bent silver in their silverware drawers when they

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Speaker 3: weren't even trying.

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Speaker 2: Now, tell us about this Liquid Luck meditation where the

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Speaker 2: lottery winner one quarter of a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, as you probably remember, George, I've been in

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Speaker 3: this manifestation work in psychokinesis for over thirty years, and

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Speaker 3: I wanted some way to distill that into a half

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Speaker 3: hour experience to give people a taste of this, and

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Speaker 3: I came out with a meditation I called Liquid Luck,

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Speaker 3: And so that.

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Speaker 4: Came out many years ago.

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Speaker 3: When it did, I got stories coming in immediately of

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Speaker 3: people winning lotteries and selling businesses that have been languishing,

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Speaker 3: solving invention problems.

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Speaker 4: All kinds of things.

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Speaker 3: And that's just continued from people listening to the meditation

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Speaker 3: and sometimes reading the book I wrote about all the

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Speaker 3: results of this, And as I mentioned just last week,

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Speaker 3: I usually like to get some new stories for you.

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Speaker 3: I've been on fifteen times, so I got await and

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Speaker 3: see the new stories come in here. And this week

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Speaker 3: one came and the fella said, this happened a while

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Speaker 3: ago for him, but she never thought of telling me.

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Speaker 3: And he wrote me that he concentrated on a local

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Speaker 3: state lottery and he succeeded in winning two hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty five. I'm going to leave the state off because

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Speaker 3: I want to keep his confidentiality. He was pretty excited

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Speaker 3: about that, pretty pleased.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty done good. What about people rolling dice and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that? Can you influence that?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've started a new workshop we'll talk about later

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Speaker 3: in in Vegas Virtual and we're rolling dice and getting

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Speaker 3: PK in that. But I got a story from somebody

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Speaker 3: about liquid luck, and he decided to use the liquid

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Speaker 3: luck process to try to roll twelves or double six's

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Speaker 3: two dice, six on each dice, and he planned to

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Speaker 3: roll one hundred rolls, and when he got to one

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Speaker 3: hundred rolls.

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Speaker 4: He still hadn't rolled the twelve.

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Speaker 3: Statistically, twelve should be rolled about once every thirty six times,

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Speaker 3: so that's really weird. So he decided to continue, and

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Speaker 3: when he counted how many rolls it took him to

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Speaker 3: get his first twelve, he was one hundred and forty four,

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Speaker 3: which is of course twelve times twelve. So that really

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Speaker 3: puzzled him, and he said to me, Joe, any insight

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Speaker 3: what the universe is trying to tell me or what

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Speaker 3: I might learn from that? George I responded, basically, universe

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Speaker 3: is trying to tell you it has a sense.

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Speaker 4: Of humor, because you might have a goal, like to.

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Speaker 3: Prove this works by rolling twelve, and they gave that

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Speaker 3: to you even more strongly than you expected by making

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Speaker 3: your answer exactly twelve times twelve. So that was kind

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Speaker 3: of an interesting one to come in.

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Speaker 2: Well with clinical psychologist doctor Joseph Gallenberger. Joseph, what is

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Speaker 2: science doing about this anything?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you have what usually is known to the public,

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Speaker 3: and it's not coinciding, you know, in terms of the

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Speaker 3: proof that we are seeing in rigorous science. Science usually

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Speaker 3: focuses on what we call micropiquet, meaning rapid events that

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Speaker 3: are very small, like random number generators.

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Speaker 4: Which is kind of like.

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Speaker 3: Tossing a coin heads and tails a thousand times a

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Speaker 3: second and it should come out equal heads and tails

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Speaker 3: if it's a true coin. So random number generators work

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Speaker 3: that way. And when they look at the meta analysis

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Speaker 3: of the studies over the last twenty years or so,

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Speaker 3: we would say PK has become a six sigma event,

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Speaker 3: meaning the results would not even have occurred once in

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Speaker 3: a billion by chance. So I think we can now

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Speaker 3: say PK is real. The MACROPK, the large PK stuff

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Speaker 3: I talked about, like metal bending and accelerated sea growth

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Speaker 3: and lighting light bulbs and stuff, is tougher to study

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Speaker 3: in a lab, but they still do studies with that,

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Speaker 3: and they're getting very elegant in the energy healing area,

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Speaker 3: where people can the direct energy, say to a vile

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Speaker 3: of bacteria and protect it from the effects of antibiotics

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Speaker 3: in a four way double blind study. So that's a

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Speaker 3: nice study because there's no placebo effect as we know

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Speaker 3: in bacteria. So the studies are getting more and more elegant,

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Speaker 3: and I think the results are getting clear and clear.

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Speaker 2: So so how did you get involved in all this?

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Speaker 3: Well, George, actually I was more involved in out of

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Speaker 3: body stuff as a kid, some other kinds of oneness experiences.

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Speaker 3: I was in a monastery when I was thirteen fourteen,

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Speaker 3: and that spe sparked my interest, and I went to

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Speaker 3: Monroe Institute, which is mainly known internationally for out of body,

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Speaker 3: but they do a lot with consciousness. And while I

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Speaker 3: was there working with Bob Monroe a little bit, he

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Speaker 3: was one of the Bettery thirty five years ago, we

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Speaker 3: began to see some demonstration of energy healing and then

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Speaker 3: pique and that got me. I loved how it felt

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Speaker 3: and it got me really interested as a scientist. So

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Speaker 3: I went from there to Vegas to get a black belt,

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Speaker 3: if you will, in PK, having to learn it myself

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Speaker 3: how it works. And so I ended up out there

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Speaker 3: and did ninety nine workshops before COVID that I called

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Speaker 3: Inner Vegas Adventure, and I could teach it to other

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Speaker 3: people as well, and that continues now up at Monroe

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Speaker 3: Still Department of University of Virginia Department of Perceptual Studies

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Speaker 3: has studied over a decade of the mc squared programs

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Speaker 3: that I developed for Monroe, which stands for Manifestation Creations

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Speaker 3: What could weared? And they have a great box there

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Speaker 3: and as the group focus in for healing, for activating

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Speaker 3: the sensors in the box, those kind of things. The

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Speaker 3: box is totally shield from electromagnetic and everything, and there's

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Speaker 3: some theory that it may be that we can affect

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Speaker 3: the amount of cosmic rays coming in the box and

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Speaker 3: so the sensors jump. And there's a pilot study out

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Speaker 3: now for publication showing significant statistical results with the work

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Speaker 3: we've done there. So we continue to work with this

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Speaker 3: stuff in laboratories. My first lab was Princeton, Princeton Engineering

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Speaker 3: and Anmalos Research, and I had a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: changing the height of a fountain with my energy and

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Speaker 3: also influencing what pixels a computer would pick between two

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Speaker 3: different pictures like kitty kat and pyramid. And I got

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Speaker 3: that at thirty thousand and one by chance. So I

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Speaker 3: like to continue the research basis because there's room for

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Speaker 3: self delusion in this and there's room for fraud and

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Speaker 3: other things. So working with reputable universities helps strengthen.

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Speaker 4: That this is true.

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Speaker 3: There's an interesting book by Chris Carter and he talks

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Speaker 3: a little bit it's psychic phenomena, follow the House of Skeptics.

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Speaker 3: Why maybe the public doesn't believe it so much because

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Speaker 3: there are some groups that would rather this not be true.

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Speaker 3: Fundamentalist religious don't like it, it might be of the devil.

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Speaker 3: Materialistic scientists don't like anything that's not physically measurable. So

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Speaker 3: debunk this stuff, and they do have the Year of

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Speaker 3: Government and most media outlets, But if you look at

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Speaker 3: the pure science, George, it's powerful.

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