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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling revalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth revely. That's good.

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Speaker 1: So I loved meeting the Barbie Glias, Mike and Joe

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Speaker 1: all weirdly Italian? Is I don't know? They were. Mike

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Speaker 1: Mike ended up being the stand up comedian. But Joe,

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Speaker 1: We had a love fast on Conan for a bit.

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Speaker 1: They grew up in Massachusetts, four siblings. And Mike's podcast

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Speaker 1: is called Working it Out. I'm sure some people have

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Speaker 1: heard it. If not, it's it's really great. He's great,

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Speaker 1: and yeah they work. He's a worker. They're just worker

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Speaker 1: you know that. That's what was interesting too about Mike

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Speaker 1: your sisters, you've got an eleven year older sister. You you

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Speaker 1: you guys are pretty pretty spread out. Yeah yeah, I

475
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of kids, a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know what it's like to have kids that are

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Speaker 1: really spaced apart. Was she kind of pulling her hair

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Speaker 1: out a little bit. I don't remember my parents being

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Speaker 1: around that much. I say word around Okay, No, I

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481
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Speaker 1: saying this about by the time they, you know, Joe

482
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Speaker 1: came around, they were tired by the time I came around.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they were just like they clocked out

484
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,080
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485
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: it was good. But you know, my mom, uh you know,

486
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Speaker 1: my mom is a great she was a she's a

487
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: great mom. But but uh, yeah, I don't think that.

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00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, it was, yeah, my mom

489
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: was around a bit. Uh, my dad was just at

490
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Speaker 1: work and my dad in his free time when I

491
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Speaker 1: was a teenager, went and got his law degree even

492
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: though he was already a doctor. And if anyone wants

493
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: to know how to avoid their own children, it's uh,

494
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: be a doctor full time and in your free time

495
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: get a law degree. Wow. What an overachiever he really,

496
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing and an over avoid of peril. Hold

497
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Speaker 1: on one second. That being said, Mike is very much

498
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Speaker 1: his father's son, right, He's really NonStop, always adding more

499
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: things to his plate. Let's do this, let's write a book.

500
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: I remember Mike early on in his career was just

501
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: like they make it impossible to take to tape a

502
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503
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Speaker 1: they make it impossible because it all happens in March

504
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: and April. It's like, yeah, those are multiple jobs, like you,

505
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 1: there are only so many months. Make it impossible. Oh wait, okay,

506
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: now I need to know when's your birthdays? Oh, June twentieth,

507
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like you, I'm like cancer, I'm April. Oh

508
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: you're in aries yeah? Oh okay, oh interesting? What was

509
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: the sibling dynamic like that? It was it was so

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00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: space to part, you know, I mean it was like

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Speaker 1: one was leaving and then the other one's sort of

512
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Speaker 1: coming and you know, was there cohesion there? Where there?

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Speaker 1: Did did where there? You know, we're two closer than other,

514
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: and how did that? How did that whole dynamic work? Yeah,

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00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: it's close call. I mean I one dynamic was that

516
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: my my sister Gina was eleven years older than me,

517
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Speaker 1: so in some ways she was like my second mom,

518
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: like mini mom. And uh and and and then Patty.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I didn't see a lot of Patty

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Speaker 1: when she was in high school, like she was off

521
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Speaker 1: doing like student government things, and like she was a overcheer.

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Speaker 1: And then but then Joe. I feel like the dynamic

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Speaker 1: with me and Joe is that Joe taught me how

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of things. He taught me how

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Speaker 1: to play soccer, He taught me, you know, how to

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Speaker 1: write satire, comedy, you know, like all this kind of stuff.

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00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: And so I was always trying to follow in Joe's footsteps.

528
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Speaker 1: And then what how that sort of manifested itself. Was

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Speaker 1: that by the time I, you know, was nineteen twenty

530
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: years years old, I was performing on stage because I

531
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: had I'm convinced. I say this in Sleepwalk with Me,

532
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: and I've said it before, but it's like, I can't.

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00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that to be a to be a performer,

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00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: you have to be a little bit delusional. You have

535
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: to convince yourself it's going well when it's not going well.

536
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Speaker 1: Otherwise you just wouldn't do it again early on, because

537
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Speaker 1: early on you're just not that good. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that's one of the big differences that Joe and

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Speaker 1: I have. Joe doesn't have that thing. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the thing in him that that's delusional, that it's like,

541
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: this is going well when it's not. Yeah, does he

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00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: does he? Joe? Do you tell him? I'll give a

543
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: perfect early on? Early on, I met Mike in New

544
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: York when I still was in corporate America. I still

545
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: dress like I'm in corporate America written all over you.

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00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: So early on Mike is performing, I'm in the corporate world.

547
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: But I'm seeing Mike on the at his shows as

548
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: he's started trying to pick up some steam. And I

549
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: go see him in a hotel lobby on like seventeenth

550
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: Street in Manhattan, and it's funny because there have to

551
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: be you know, four or five comedians, and actually I

552
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: remember Dimitri Martin was one of the comedians, and there

553
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: were about eleven audience members. Okay, so almost as many

554
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: audience members as comedians, and the set does not go well.

555
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Mike's running his usual stuff. This is many, you know,

556
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen years ago, and I'm like, oh wow, I'm

557
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: really gonna have to cheer this guy up afterwards and

558
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: encourage him. And we get out on the on the

559
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: I've never heard I never heard this story this sidewalk,

560
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and he's just like, well, this went well, this is

561
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna work, this is per I'm like, what what audience

562
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: were you watching? I was not watching and that's that.

563
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: And he was right, you know, and yeah, but but

564
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: but but but are you But you're okay saying to

565
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: my hey, it wasn't good, Like you have to understand what.

566
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: I was not gonna say that, and I were not. No.

567
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: I was going to try to help his ego and

568
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: just be positive. But I didn't mean it positive because

569
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: he was already so delusional about this set. But can't

570
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: But can you be up front and straight up and

571
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: honest with him and just tell him point blank, dude,

572
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: you're a really funny guy, but this is death did

573
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: not work. Just generally, can you can you have that

574
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: now twenty twenty one? Sure? Yeah, yeah. You got to

575
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: pick your spots, and you know, give feedback in the

576
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: right way. And some when he wants feedback, some things work,

577
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: so it's better to tell him what's working right and

578
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: then you push. But Mike, would you want Joe to

579
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: tell you? I mean, would you want him to be

580
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: straight up with you? Or do you like that he

581
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: handles you? Well? I view feedback. I mean so much

582
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: of what I do as feedback. Right when you when

583
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: you write and perform your own autobiographical work, you're hearing

584
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: what the audience is saying, You're hearing what your brother's saying,

585
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: You're hearing what your director's saying, and you're sort of

586
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: taking all the feedback and you have to look at

587
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: it through the bias of where they're coming from. So

588
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: like with Joe, for example, like Joe, Joe airs, Joe's

589
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: extremely you know, witty, you know, super smart, like has

590
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: a great sense for story. But he's also my brother,

591
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: and so, like I reveal, a lot of my shows

592
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: are confessional. I'm talking about my parents, I'm talking about

593
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: my relationships with my ex girlfriend or this, that, and

594
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: it's like it cuts very close to the bone. Like

595
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: if you watch my shows, it's like there's not that

596
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: much that's so different from my journal, you know what

597
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's it but it has jokes in it,

598
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: but it's also very personal, and so I have to

599
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: know that Joe. One of Joe's biases on his criticism

600
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: is always like like he'll be like, I'd pull back

601
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: on saying that, you know, and it's like I have

602
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, I I Joe, I hear you.

603
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I know you don't want me to say that as

604
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: my brother, but I'm just gonna have to push your

605
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: head with it or get opinions from like my director Examplar,

606
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: or like Ira Glass or other people we work with.

607
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: Because our dad will see the set and he won't

608
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: complain to Mike. He'll call me be like why do

609
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: you say that? Why is he out there saying this thing?

610
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, you know you have you have

611
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Mike's number. I can put you through. You know, is

612
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: there anything off limits though? You know? I mean, is

613
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: a do you Mike? Do you just let it fly?

614
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: Or are there are things like well, no, I can't

615
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: talk about that or Joe's saying, Hey, but you know,

616
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Speaker 1: I know you like to cut to the bone, but

617
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: let's not say that. Well, typically I I Joe. If

618
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: you notice, like in my last special on Netflix, it's

619
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: called a New One, and it's all about deciding to

620
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: have a child, even though I never want to have

621
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: a child. And there's a point at which Joe's I said, Joe,

622
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, what is it like, you know, having kids?

623
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: Because he has two kids, and he has two kids,

624
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: and and he gets you know, he gets this sort

625
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: of glassy look in his eyes and he just says

626
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: it's relentless, and like that's a true thing that he said.

627
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: But we do this thing where we if you notice,

628
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: in the shows, we tend to err on the side

629
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: of like Joe being a character who says a lot

630
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: of the things that in a movie, like a counselor

631
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: character would say, or like a best friend character would say.

632
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Speaker 1: And as because we because Joe and I work through

633
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Speaker 1: it together, we know that he's comfortable with it, I'm

634
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, and that kind of thing. When it

635
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 1: comes to other people who are like a third party

636
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: to these things, I try to vet them through everybody,

637
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: which some times gets me into trouble, like I if

638
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't vet them. Like on my podcast Working It Out,

639
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I had David Sedaris on and I told him this

640
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: story about my sister. My sister's like partying in high school.

641
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: And then I get a call from Gina and she's like, uh, hey,

642
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: my daughter is a teenager and I don't really think

643
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: that I want her to find out about me partying.

644
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: Like on your podcast talking to David Sedara Oliver, you

645
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: were asking though about like feedback, and one early one

646
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: that really turned a little This is a I don't

647
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: know if I've mentioned this to you in a while.

648
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: Mike turns down of funny is that fifteen years ago

649
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: Mike and a creative partner of his really wanted to

650
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: produce a show about a comedy sketch show set in prison, right,

651
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: And I'm, oh, yeah, And I was just like not

652
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: feeling it. Like his pitches. I was like, you know,

653
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: the prison industrial complex and like the prison population's a

654
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: very sensitive topic, and like it's just not a great

655
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: source for comedy. You know, it's not, so I was.

656
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 1: I sort of shut down on it. He takes the

657
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: show to Comedy Central to pitch and they say Mike,

658
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: we really want to work with you, but we don't

659
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: want that show, you know. But their strangest twist though

660
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: to the story is cut to thirteen years later and

661
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Jenji calls him to be on O. It's just a

662
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: New Black, which is you know, yeah, which as a

663
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: show set in prison with comedic sensibilities and you know,

664
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: human or human stories. So yeah, it was just a

665
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: strange twist. Wow. Well, but that's that's the nature I

666
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: feel like of our town anyway. It's like, you know,

667
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: the good ideas are usually the ones that kind of

668
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: they're on the edge, and everyone's so scared to do,

669
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: you know, anything that might people might turn against them,

670
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: and so they're very quick to say no until something

671
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: comes along with someone that they feel like they can't

672
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: say no to, like Genji, who's just a genius, you know.

673
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: And I had that kid, I had that with I

674
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: had that with Transparent, Like they called me about Transparent

675
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: and I was like, and it wasn't the script itself

676
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: that I didn't connect with. It was it's gonna be

677
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: on the bookseller website right right, I swear to god.

678
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: I was like's gonna be on Amazon dot Com. Like

679
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm very busy, so money. It's true though, I mean

680
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: I get that. You know, it's like, what, Yeah, you

681
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: talk a lot in your in your work about Catholicism

682
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: and growing up Catholic and your mom there you you

683
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: kind of told this story about how your your mom,

684
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: how why you like why you were like no to religion.

685
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: You know, I can't I can't follow this, yes, based

686
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: on your mom's experiences with it. Well, yeah, I I

687
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: tell this joke sometimes. I told this joke in Sleepwalk

688
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: with Me, which is that I was an altar boy

689
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: as a kid. And the answer is no, I wasn't.

690
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: And I think it's because they knew I was a talker.

691
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: I have that look about me. But I I my

692
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: experience with I have two negative experiences with Cathosicism. One is,

693
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: of course, that which is the abuse of the Catholic Church,

694
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: which you know is extraordinarily well uh sort of documented

695
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: in uh Spotlight Tom McCarthy's film, and which which crushed me.

696
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean that film just absolutely crushed me because I

697
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to you know, just did not be assaulted.

698
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: But but statistically I know that many people were around

699
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: me and and it was devastating to find that out,

700
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, to see that dramatized on the screen. And

701
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: then the other thing is that, Yeah, at a certain point,

702
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: my mom said to me when she was sick at

703
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: the time, unfortunately, you know, she got better, that she

704
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: was worried that she was going to go to Hell.

705
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: And I just thought, gosh, I anything. And my mom

706
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: is so extraordinarily generous and kind and Christian in the

707
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: true sense of the word, which is has been bastardized

708
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: to some degree, but in the is truly a Christian

709
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: person and generous and giving. And the idea that she

710
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: would be think for a second that she would be

711
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: the person who would go to hell to me, I

712
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm out, I'm out on this. Yeah,

713
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: there's no Yeah, what's wrong with this sort of construct

714
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: that my mom could ever think that she's going to go? Yeah? Yeah,

715
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: we were raised with a quite a healthy dose of

716
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: the Catholic guilt. Yeah, we just were. H And are

717
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: your parents still religious? And is are your siblings religious?

718
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: My mom still is? My mom still goes to church.

719
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: My dad, I think would would say that he is.

720
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what is I'm not going to check

721
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: his attendance record on Sundays. But but yeah, I don't know,

722
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, and then and then the siblings

723
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I think are maybe maybe a little less so, but

724
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, to some degree, I'm pretty much I'm pretty

725
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: much out. I'm pretty much. You had five years left

726
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: alone when your brother left. Five years apart in a

727
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: school sense, is a lot of years. So you're like

728
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 1: in eighth grade, in your seventh grade and your brother's leaving, right,

729
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: it was a little after that, But yeah, was that

730
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: just devastating to you? I mean, who did you have

731
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: to run around with? And what was like? I mean,

732
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: everybody was gone. Yeah that you know, it's so funny, kad,

733
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about that in so long, But yeah,

734
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: that was That was a strange thing. Joe went to

735
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: Middlebury College in Vermont, and he became like completely immersed

736
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: in writing for the college satire paper, which is what

737
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: was called the Crampus. It was just a parody of

738
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: the campus. And uh and yeah, I yeah, I think

739
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 1: my high school became gosh when I when I think

740
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: back on it, it just became so I became so

741
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: uh uh tunnel visioned on succeeding enough in high school,

742
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: in school enough to sort of whatever, get into a

743
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: good college or whatever. And I guess, I I guess

744
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I never registered that. But but high school was high

745
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: school was tough. I mean I think about that. You know,

746
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: my last show, the New One, is all about like

747
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: all the reasons I never want to have a child,

748
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: uh before I had a child, and and one of

749
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: them was just imagining having a child go through what

750
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: I went through in high school, which is this extreme

751
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: sense of like pressure and how am I gonna do

752
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: all of these things that are that people expect of me?

753
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: And and yeah, I just I don't have like super

754
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: fond memories of high school. I I fonder memories of college.

755
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: I think I would I would have thought, I mean

756
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: I would think, but I guess maybe you didn't experience that,

757
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: but that it would just feel a little lonely that

758
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: your family, Yeah, that everybody was gone and in their

759
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: college experience or out of college and working. And yeah,

760
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this the other day. I

761
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: don't have that. I don't have that many friends from

762
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: high school. I was gonna say, Mike, I think really

763
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: threw him, But you also threw yourself into high school.

764
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: You know. Theatrical performances soccer teams is a very Mike

765
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: was a very good, strong tennis player. It is really

766
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: he was like I like to tell my kids like that,

767
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: I want our family to be a family of doers.

768
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: Like Mike and I and our siblings. We were like doers,

769
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: were like joiners. We did things filled up. We do

770
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: better when we really fill up our schedules. So when

771
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: you started performing, that was in college, not in high school. Yeah,

772
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: although I did like little bit parts and plays in

773
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: high school, basically because it was the classes were easy,

774
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Like the drama class in high school is the easiest,

775
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: the easiest possible class, Like it's so so unsubstantial. Oh

776
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: that that that that that that backfired. That backfired on

777
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: me because in college I went to I went to

778
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,439
Speaker 1: Boulder for two years and then I was out of there.

779
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: But my sophomore year, I was like, I'm gonna I'm

780
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: gonna take drama and I'm I just gonna get an

781
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: easy A or whatever. I ended up getting like a

782
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: D minus. And and it was crazy. I mean, we

783
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: were rolling around on the floor in some kind of

784
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: small ball roll. It was so far from what drama was,

785
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: at least in my head. And and and I got

786
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: a D minus. I became an actor. Two years later,

787
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,479
Speaker 1: I got my first levision show where I was the lead.

788
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: I was like the star of it called My Guide

789
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: to Becoming a Rock Star for the WB I was

790
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: in like Vanity Fair, and I had all these articles

791
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: and you know, all the bullshit. I comprised the clippings.

792
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: I sent it to Boulders and said thanks for the

793
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: D minus. Oh, oh my gosh, Wow, that's such a weird.

794
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: That's hilarious. He wrote me back. He was cool. It's

795
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: like congratulations, Oh my god, Oliver, I got my helix.

796
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: Oh you did, congratulate on it. And I love it.

797
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801
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00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Midnight Lucks sounds like my vibe on the weekends. But

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Speaker 1: you don't need to take our word for it. But

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Speaker 1: what were you going to say, Oliver? Oh oh? Right

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Speaker 1: It is a furniture online furniture company. It combines the

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Speaker 1: every night, having to connect. I mean, it's just I

865
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Speaker 1: think it's the hardest most like relentless. It's almost like torture.

866
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Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys do it sometimes, you know,

867
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't part yeah, part, you know. It's but part

868
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: of the reason that we even have our production company

869
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: is that, like I would say, what tw twelve years

870
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: ago and eight or thirteen years ago, I had a

871
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: failed CBS sitcom pilot based on my life. It was

872
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: like the untitled Mike pro Biglia Project, And it was

873
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: one of those things where and I think there's even

874
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Speaker 1: movies about this plotline basically, which is like you bring

875
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: your personal story to like a network in a studio,

876
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: and then it churns through the machine of Hollywood, and

877
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: then by the time the pilot is filmed, it's like

878
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: someone else's life, Like, oh, I shouldn't be the Mike

879
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: Verbigley at project. It should be someone else's name. Yeah,

880
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: who am? I? Who am? It's like lest moon vesus

881
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: love interest is playing opposite Mic yeah yeah yeah, and

882
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: so then like and so then part in some ways

883
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: that doubled us down on our company because I came

884
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: back from Hollywood, and I was like after living there

885
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: for what two months or something, and just was like, oh,

886
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm never doing that again, Like I'm never making a

887
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: sitcoment base in my life, never doing anything where there's

888
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: a studio or network involved with deciding what I'm what

889
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: my personal output is that's autobiographical, And actually, to this day,

890
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: I would never do that. I've really I sent you

891
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: stuck to that. Oh yeah, yeah. So we've made our

892
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: company has made two independent features, Sleepwalk with Me and

893
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: Don't Think Twice. We made four off Broadway shows, Sleepwalk

894
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: with Me, My Girlfriend's Boyfriend, Thank God for Jokes, and

895
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: the new one, which into Broadway two years ago, and

896
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: everything that we do is in house because I had

897
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: such a repulsive reaction to people creating a narrative for me,

898
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: because I was just like, this is not worth it,

899
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: Like I don't even want to be in show business

900
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: and people are going to invent their own narrative for

901
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: what my life is. I always say too, you know.

902
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: It's also like the creative and the commerce don't really

903
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: have a very good marriage. No, no, oh no, you know,

904
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: and I think it's a very hard time for most

905
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: stand ups, right now because it's there's such a pressure

906
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: cooker of sensitivity. Yeah, there's something right now which is odd,

907
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: which is that stand up already had the feedback loop

908
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: of getting feedback from an audience. Oh Okay, they don't

909
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: like it, let me try something else, et cetera. But

910
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: now it has the added feedback loop of the Internet

911
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: and Twitter and social media in this way that like

912
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: it's almost overwhelming for the art form because because actually,

913
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: like you know, let's say ten people tweet about something

914
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: that they're angry about. Well, there's millions of people on Twitter.

915
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: So the amount of people who are upset about that

916
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: joke or this or that is point zero zero zero

917
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: zero one. And in Norah, you know, when I started

918
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, you wouldn't clock point zero zero zero

919
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: one of an audience reaction and go, well, I guess

920
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'll keep an eye. Yeah, yeah, And that's

921
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: what George Carlin said something to that effect, which is like,

922
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: there's three hundred million Americans or whatever, I only need

923
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: to appeal to half of them percent, you know, right

924
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: to like to buy into what I'm doing, to have

925
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: a care. Yeah, man, I used to I used to

926
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: run into George Carlin's at breakfast all the time, and

927
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: he'd sit there alone and I'd just stare at him,

928
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: like he's my favorite. I love him. It's so funny

929
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: because you also I heard you on Conan's podcast and

930
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: Kate and uh, it's so funny you that you also

931
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: run into Conan in your neighborho. Yeah, yeah, Conan I

932
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: think is one of the funniest people on the planet.

933
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: Did work with Conan? We Joe and I both interned

934
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: for Conan. Uh yeah, uh when we were in college

935
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: at separate times. I was a control room intern and

936
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: Joe was just a production intern. He's the best. He

937
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: is so funny, like underrated sort of funny, sneaky funny

938
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: but not I mean, he's just so fucking funny. But

939
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: before I want to get into this, the the you know,

940
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: anxiety and depression. I know I'm bringing it down, but

941
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: I think it's important and how when you started dealing

942
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: with this, how you decided to turn that into sort

943
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: of art in a sense, and then even now and

944
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: moving forward sort of how that plays into your life

945
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: and your career. I think one of the uh, the

946
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: most momentous thing that occurred in terms of my mental

947
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: health was that. And when I was I think about

948
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: twenty five years old, I had a sleepwalking incident that

949
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I made a movie about, I wrote a book about.

950
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: But it's about how I sleepwalked through a second story

951
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: window on tour in Walla Walla, Washington, at a La

952
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: Quinta Inn and Lakinta in and it's it was an

953
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: extraordinary thing to happen. I told it, you know, I

954
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: told the story on this American life, and that's sort

955
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: of how I met Ira Glass and he and I

956
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: started working together as well, and and it was, I

957
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: don't know, it was just this thing where this really

958
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: extraordinary thing happened because I had so much kind of

959
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: bubbling up inside of me and I wasn't dealing with

960
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: you know something you know, physiological sleepwalking, but also psychological

961
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: having to do with anxiety. And and it sort of

962
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: crescendoed with jumping through this window, and it became the

963
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: source of a lot of art and it sort of

964
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: actually in some ways broke open my comfort in telling

965
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: personal stories because at first I was like, well, I

966
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about this because people are going

967
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: to think that I'm insane. I remember when it happened.

968
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember when I jumped through the window.

969
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, you know, I ended up in the

970
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: emergency room. They put you know, thirty three stitches in

971
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: my legs and my arms, and and you know, the glass.

972
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 1: I went through it like the Hulk. I mean, the

973
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: glass was shattered and it was close to my They

974
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: took glass out of my legs at the emergency room

975
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: and wlah lah walla, and the doctor you know, he

976
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you should be dead, and he goes,

977
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: the glass is an inch froment, you know, a centimeter

978
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: from my femeral artery, and if I would have bled

979
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: out if I had hit there, and I just died right.

980
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: And uh, as a writer, when something like that happens,

981
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: there's a part of you that just goes, well, I'm

982
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: going to talk about this eventually, either either either as

983
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 1: me or it's going to be a character that does

984
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: this or whatever it is. But it did take me,

985
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: like I said, probably six months to feel comfortable like

986
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: saying yeah, yeah, I'll throw this on stage and I'll

987
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: see how this goes. I was in Montreal Comedy Festival

988
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: and there was a show called Confessing It. It's myself

989
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: and Kathleen Maddig and Doug stan Hope and a handful

990
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: of other comedians and I told that story. I think

991
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: it was the first time I told that story on stage,

992
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: and it was It was a really interesting experience because

993
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: the audience wasn't just laughing. They were sort of enthralled

994
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: with like, what's gonna happen next? You know, how does

995
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: this story end? And that was like a huge pivot,

996
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, pivotal moment for me because I was like, Oh,

997
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: I want to do this which just tell stories more

998
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: than I want to just tell jokes. Do you feel

999
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: like talking about it and actually creating art from it

1000
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: helps just on a personal level dealing with depression and anxiety?

1001
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean it's certainly. I mean it's

1002
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: funny because whenever you do autobiographical work, it's always straddling

1003
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: that line of like therapy versus art, for therapy versus art.

1004
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: I think that for me, it's easier to navigate that

1005
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: than other art forms because if they laugh, it's art.

1006
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: If they don't laugh. I think that should be a

1007
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: quote that just me. But it really is like this

1008
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: weird thing where it's like Joe and I really spend

1009
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: a lot of time making sure that there are jokes

1010
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: that punctuate the stories all throughout, and it'll go you know,

1011
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: it goes you know, it goes very dark. I talk

1012
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: about how I was once hit by a drunk driver

1013
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: in my car, you know, I jumped through a second

1014
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: story window, how I was you know, how I never

1015
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: wanted to have a child and then I had a child.

1016
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: I mean, these really sort of like dark thoughts, dark feelings.

1017
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: But I believe strongly about that that that that's sort

1018
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: of where the best comedy, the best comedy lies, or

1019
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: at least I should say that's where my favorite comedy lies.

1020
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: That those are the comedians I like to watch. It's

1021
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: a lot of calibration, a lot of calibration because Mike

1022
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: will tell a very riveting story, but then the joke

1023
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: and the punchline sort of deflate tension, right, So it's

1024
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: like Mike's like inflating a balloon and then we popped

1025
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: it and so I don't know, it's it's a fun exercise,

1026
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: and Mike is, uh, you know, Mike leads leads that

1027
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: siblings that work together, what do you guys think the

1028
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: other's superpower is? As a team. Maybe you can start, Joe,

1029
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: I have a lot, I have a lot of answers,

1030
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: but but maybe you start. Mike has the number of superpowers.

1031
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's excellent performer, writer, he handles. I don't know,

1032
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: it's extremely ambitious. I don't know. Gosh a secret. I

1033
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: guess what's the secret? Sauce, you know what I mean? Like,

1034
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: how do you guys work well together? Like what is

1035
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: it about the two of you as siblings? Because that

1036
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: can go that can go fucking south. You know, how

1037
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: do you maintain you? Here's here's here's how I put

1038
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: it in a nutshell. This is me in a nutshell.

1039
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: But I've never really had this question. That's why it's

1040
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: actually like it's valuable for even for Jonah to talk

1041
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: out as an exercise therapy. Hopefully there's a free Hopefully

1042
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: we'll find some jokes in it. But I would describe

1043
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 1: myself as I work seven days a week, twenty four

1044
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: hours a day, and and it is all over the place,

1045
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: and and anything can happen, and I can spin out.

1046
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: And I think that Joe is five days a week,

1047
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: and he's a very focused and very effective, and I

1048
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: think that the combination of those two elements create something

1049
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: that work, just works for whatever reason that makes sense.

1050
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 1: You're the structure Joe a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I'm

1051
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: a little more balanced. Left brain right brain. Like I

1052
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: like Joe and I had to have a discussion like

1053
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 1: a probably five six years ago where Joe goes, could

1054
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: you not email me over the weekend? Emails like that? Right?

1055
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Email attext? Like when you're in a working capacity like this, now, boundaries, boundaries, right, yeah,

1056
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm learning those now, I'm learning. Now what's your spin out?

1057
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: What's your spin out moment? Like when you're just what

1058
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: is this is just too much in your brain? There's

1059
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: just too much shit going on and you just you're

1060
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: like I can't deal. Yeah, it's sporadic, which is to

1061
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: say that, which is to say that I'm always writing

1062
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: or consuming or being a dad or doing whatever I'm doing,

1063
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: and then my energy levels are not sometimes not focused,

1064
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: so like I'll just be like working a mile minute

1065
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: and then I must sleep on the couch, you know

1066
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's like I'm just gone, you know,

1067
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: and and that's hard, you know, Like when I'm working

1068
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: as an actor like on Billions or Orange is the

1069
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: New Black, I actually have to adopt more of what

1070
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: Joe has, which is like a focus, like you know

1071
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: when you got to hit your mark, You got to

1072
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: hit your mark and know your lines. Like it's much

1073
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: more focused. Even when I'm directing a movie, it's like

1074
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: much more focused. What what about your wife? Like, how

1075
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: does your wife deal with this? Oh? She left? She No? No,

1076
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: she's around, She's around. I mean she's a poet, and

1077
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: and she and I we did a book adaptation of

1078
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: the show, the New One, which is uh so with

1079
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: the subtitle is Painfully True Stories of her Reluctant Dad

1080
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: with poems by Jay Hopstein, and it sort of interweaves

1081
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: her poetry about the the mother point of view of

1082
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: the same experience as the father point of view, and

1083
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: it interweaves, and it's it's it's I think it's really lovely,

1084
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: and we're very proud of it. But because she's a poet,

1085
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: I think she one hundred percent gets that side of it.

1086
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: I think poets have shared that in common with comedians.

1087
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: Poets and comedians are not all that all that dissimilar,

1088
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: And so I feel like sometimes Jen and I need

1089
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: a Joe in our life to make sure that someone

1090
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: pays the electric bill. So that uh so, I like

1091
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: to I like to refer to myself as the adult

1092
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: in their marriage. Oh, this is you found the perfect partner.

1093
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: Your accounts are the marriage and you are you married?

1094
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: I am, Yes, I'm almost twenty years and I have

1095
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: two sons, fourteen and twelve. Okay, so you're like in that,

1096
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: you're in that, You're like really in the teen yeah,

1097
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know at fourteen and twelve. Now, my children

1098
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: are sort of confused about my job, just like my dad,

1099
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: just like their dad. Oh my god, what do you

1100
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: do all day? Are your parents better grandparents than they

1101
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: were kids? I mean, we're kids your parents parents. Yeah,

1102
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: they're more present, I think. So what do you think,

1103
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: Joe when you were at my house yes, yesterday for

1104
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: another's day. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, they're very engaged, especially once

1105
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: the you know, I think parents and grandparents sometimes they

1106
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: have an age of a child where they lock in

1107
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: a little more like they relate to It's like, yeah,

1108
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, call me when you're thirteen and we can

1109
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: talk about math, you know, something that's a little more sophisticated.

1110
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: And I think I'm seeing that with my dad. With

1111
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: my older son, he's getting more locked in now that

1112
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: it was in high school. It's more sophisticated things they

1113
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: can talk about. What about, Mike, when you know you

1114
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: have one kid, obviously you talk about sort of not

1115
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: wanting children and then wanting a kid or having a

1116
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: kid coming from you know, a family with four siblings,

1117
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: and how important a sibling relationship and dynamics are. Are

1118
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: you at all interested in creating a little being for

1119
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: your child to have a sibling that. There's a line

1120
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: in the New One where I say our daughter's name

1121
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: is Una, which means one, as in we're only having one,

1122
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's sort of where we're at. Yeah, but

1123
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: she has a lot of friends. She's very social. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

1124
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: she loves loves other kids. Yeah. I want to get

1125
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: to our speed round because this usually takes longer than

1126
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: just a speed round. This is the second hour our podcast.

1127
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 1: It's never speedy, okay. One word to describe the other

1128
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: sharp generous, So Mike Joe is sharp, and Joe said

1129
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: Mike is generous. One word to describe your relationship, Uh,

1130
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: oddly close. I don't think you're not allowed to say fraternal,

1131
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: are you? I would say, I would say, well, it's

1132
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: two words but I would say positive friction, and yeah,

1133
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: that's good. Positive friction. I like positive friction. It's like

1134
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: a name of a band, a book, a book or

1135
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: a band. Well you know, but you know that there's

1136
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: this great book that will recommend by Adam Grant called

1137
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Think Again, and it's all about how conflict, positive conflict

1138
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: in a work situation creates ultimately a better result. It's

1139
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: only when something that's that's that's becomes work it becomes

1140
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 1: personal conflict where you're taking personal attacks of the person,

1141
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: that it becomes negative. Yeah, who's the biggest hypochondriac? Think me?

1142
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: It's me? Yeah, yeah, it's true. It was like at

1143
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: an eleven. He was at an eleven and I was

1144
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: like a four or five safe even close. Joe was like,

1145
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm going over to the YMCA pool. You want to come.

1146
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, in twenty twenty seven, then I'm going

1147
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: to Chipotle. My life well were you know, we're performers

1148
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: where our body is our instrument and we don't want

1149
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: to have a long hauler tuba for the rest of

1150
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: our lives. Right, mm hmm, that's right. Who gossips the

1151
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: most Ooh? I think Joe does. I think Joe, does

1152
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: I think me? I think me. You like a little

1153
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: bit of gossip with the with the siblings, Yeah, we

1154
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: have to. I have to lock Joe down sometimes because

1155
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: he gossips too much. But I've had some fumbles. I'm

1156
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, Jos had some fumbles over the years

1157
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: where I have to call him and be like this

1158
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: got back to me that you said this, and it's

1159
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: kind of crazy and like you shouldn't say that. So

1160
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: you're the one that like nobody really like they'll tell

1161
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: you if they know that they want everybody to know

1162
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: in the family. But really if it's yeah, the back channels,

1163
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 1: it's all about back tumbles, the family. Back channel shit

1164
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: is so crazy, it's so insane. It's so funny. It's

1165
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: important business and family. What what do you guys fight

1166
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: about the most? If you were to pick something like

1167
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: that just causes the most tension. Not money, Not money, No, really,

1168
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: that's true. True. I think it's the I personal illness

1169
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: of material right, Joe, we don't really fight about that.

1170
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of fights. Well, what about

1171
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: what about what we had one? We had one fight? Okay,

1172
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: we had one fight this winter over the virtual shows. Can't.

1173
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 1: It's funny. We were doing we were doing virtual shows,

1174
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: and but we did them in Joe's office because it

1175
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: was the biggest office that we had and it had

1176
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: the most ability to have equipment. You know, we live.

1177
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: We did like a four camera shoot in Joe's office,

1178
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: and so we sort of took over his office and

1179
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: made it like a TV studio. And at one point

1180
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 1: he had, uh, moved some c stands or somethings. Why

1181
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: did I do that? Because it's your office. Job was

1182
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: to get a fully decorated set painted a different color

1183
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: and move everything back in the exact same spot. Okay,

1184
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: which is why you mark, which is why you market.

1185
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: That's why you got a This is a real fights.

1186
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: That's not that often I have a fight. There wasn't

1187
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: months ago? Yeah, what how long you the fight last?

1188
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: That was literally five minutes? It was five minutes. Joe

1189
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: snapped at me. I understood why he was mad off.

1190
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: There's a pandemic. I don't give a shit about your

1191
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: lighting kit that is off by three inches, right right?

1192
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, but we got we got through that.

1193
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: We weathered that. One who ends up apologizing more, I

1194
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 1: apologize much more than Joe. Joe I think has an

1195
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: apology policy that is, like he doesn't like to apologize

1196
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 1: that much as a policy, and I am much more.

1197
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: I apologize like fifteen times in two minutes without even

1198
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: realizing I said, I'm sorry. That's fair. I think That's

1199
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: one thing I learned though, in corporate America, was like

1200
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: an apology can be a sign of weakness in a

1201
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: business setting, So you want to be very careful with

1202
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: the apology. The other person better really deserve that apology,

1203
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's a little bit of weakness.

1204
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, what do you guys think you

1205
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: stress out about most? Like what's your what's the stressor

1206
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,640
Speaker 1: in each other's in your life? It's such I mean everything,

1207
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: just everything all the time is so stressful. I mean

1208
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 1: in the business, in the business, or like the other night,

1209
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: for example, like I did my first outdoor show the

1210
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: other night in Connecticut, and I had nightmares all night,

1211
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: which were classic actors nightmare, which is I'm on stage,

1212
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember my jokes or stories. And that dream

1213
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: lasted as far as I could, it felt like it

1214
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: lasted ten hours. You were you were actually performing as

1215
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: you were dreaming. Yes, exactly. I think I think our

1216
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: classic worry, or at least maybe mine is because I'm

1217
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: like to kids house in the suburbs, to dogs is

1218
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've been working with Mike for fifteen years,

1219
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: and how long can we keep these plates spinning? You know,

1220
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. You know, it's really cool.

1221
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: So you know, we do a lot of long range planning,

1222
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:05,759
Speaker 1: but it's entertainment. You can only plan so far. That's

1223
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: that's another corporate part of you. You're you're sort of

1224
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: like you're thinking, what's the endgame? And artists is like death?

1225
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Yeah, exactly, that's what my whole

1226
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 1: new show. Literally, that's funny about I have one funny

1227
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 1: story about when we were early on in Mike's career,

1228
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: when I was I brainstormed this story today where I

1229
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: was trying to coach Mike on how to begin his career.

1230
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: He was opening. He was traveling around Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati

1231
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: opening making like two hundred and fifty bucks a week,

1232
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: and I said, Mike, what you can do is you

1233
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 1: can register in temp agencies in the various cities, so

1234
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: when you're there for the week, you can get some

1235
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: life filing, you know, get eight hours, you know, book

1236
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: thirty hours of clerical work to pay your bills and

1237
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: then do comedy in the evening. And Mike says to me,

1238
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: He's like, Joe, that's the stupidest fucking idea I've ever

1239
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 1: heard of. So I'm doing that. And as soon as

1240
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: he said it, I was like, oh, yeah, he's right. Yeah, Like,

1241
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: that's that's not what you do. No, do you remember

1242
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: that conversation. No, that's hilarious. I'm writing that down. That'll

1243
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 1: be in the next book. What is the most rebellious

1244
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: moment you had as kids? Oh, I mean this is

1245
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: this puts me in the territory of getting in trouble

1246
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: with my sister Gina because she'll say you shouldn't tell

1247
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: stories like this. Yeah that my my daughter and son

1248
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: can hear. I just think, like the biggest thing for

1249
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: me is like thinking about how like I would tell

1250
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: my parents like I hate them, and I was like

1251
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: smoking pot of doing all these things that like, looking back,

1252
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 1: I'm like that was very dangerous when I was doing. Actually,

1253
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: like I remember like walking home from a party that

1254
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: was on like an island, where like I was like

1255
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 1: walking along the highway and I remember and I was

1256
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: like stone, and I remember seeing like a like a

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Speaker 1: drunk driver, almost like in a movie, just swerve back

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Speaker 1: and forth like it's pitch dark and I'm just seeing

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Speaker 1: the lights and swerve, swerve, and I literally I didn't

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Speaker 1: know what to do. I dove off the highway and

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Speaker 1: tumbled down a hill, tumbled down a hill, and I

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Speaker 1: lost my birkenstock. I had birkinstock. And I look back

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Speaker 1: and I go, I'm so stupid, Like why would I

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Speaker 1: do that? So the things we do when we're in

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Speaker 1: high school, they're so stupid. Yeah, and it scares me

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Speaker 1: for my child. You know, I have a great one,

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Speaker 1: which is about our other sibling is Patty. I visited

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Speaker 1: Patty at eighteen years old at at Colgate University with

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, went to rugby practice, played rugby

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Speaker 1: with a women's rugby team, had the best time, sang songs,

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Speaker 1: got extremely drunk, and then for some reason they thought

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Speaker 1: it would be fun to have a baby gun and

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Speaker 1: my friend Seth and I aimed at a bar across

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Speaker 1: the street all night long and shot at cars and

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Speaker 1: the windows of this bar. My sister gets a rested

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Speaker 1: the next day and my parents because she took it,

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Speaker 1: because she took the wrap for she took me so

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have to drive five hours back to Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: New York. And she never was I mean, she was

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Speaker 1: kind of mad because you had to do like one

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Speaker 1: hundred hours of community service. But the fact that we're

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Speaker 1: still quite tight today is you can I just see

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Speaker 1: something I would never have done that for Oliver ever,

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Speaker 1: you know, don't you go to jail, okay for one

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Speaker 1: hundred hours of community service? Jeezus. First celebrity crush, Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: I had so many. I mean I'm trying to think

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Speaker 1: of that. What the age group was when I was

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Speaker 1: even thinking about Sam. Hmmm, Joe, what's yours? I'm going

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Speaker 1: to say when on a ryder, Oh that's a really

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01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. Then like Beetle Juice era reality bites,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I used to love one on a

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Speaker 1: ride or two. Yes, of course, yeah, that's a really

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Speaker 1: good one. I'll agree with Joe. I agree with Joe. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So last, but never least all, you want to ask

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Speaker 1: the last questions? Sure, we asked. We asked this to everybody.

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Speaker 1: So it's sort of a two part question, the first

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Speaker 1: part being what is that thing that if you could

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Speaker 1: alleviate from your brother just to take away their life,

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Speaker 1: what would that be to make their life a little

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Speaker 1: bit better? On the flip side of that, what would

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Speaker 1: you take from your brother that they have that you

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Speaker 1: wish that you had wanted to emulate more of? You know? Oh? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, the thing I would say, like if

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Speaker 1: you don't mind, no, The thing I would definitely take

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Speaker 1: away from Mike is some of his workload. Like I

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Speaker 1: wish I could go on stage four him in some

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Speaker 1: of these places because he he puts so much upon

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Speaker 1: himself and I can't do that. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: my job running the business is like what can I

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Speaker 1: take office plate? You know, because I know he's worked

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Speaker 1: he does work so hard. Yeah, And then my first

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Speaker 1: part for Joe, for Joe would be just I would

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Speaker 1: just alleviate the stress because a lot of times I

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Speaker 1: feel like like stress in terms of like the two year,

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Speaker 1: the five year, the ten year picture of everything. I'm

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Speaker 1: always like I always wanted to say, like Joe, like

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Speaker 1: we'll be fine, Like you have like plan B, Plan C,

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Speaker 1: Plan D, Plan E, Like they're all fine, yeah, plan involved, right,

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Speaker 1: plan And what's the other part of the question, what

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Speaker 1: would you like to emulate? What would you what would

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Speaker 1: a quality that your brother has that wish you had

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Speaker 1: more of? Joe has a Joe has a a thirst

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Speaker 1: for uh for living sort of a balanced and fruitful,

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Speaker 1: like exciting life as though it was that's that's to

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Speaker 1: the point of being artful. He has an artful approach

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Speaker 1: to his life, existence and family. M hm. Cool. And

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Speaker 1: Mike's thing that I wish I had is uh. I

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Speaker 1: think his his belief in himself to completely like start

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Speaker 1: a project, do the middle of the project, to the

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Speaker 1: end of the project, sell the project like that determination

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Speaker 1: is uh. You know, and self belief is very admirable

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Speaker 1: and it functions at a very high level and is

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Speaker 1: a testament to how to the success of him and

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Speaker 1: of our company. I love that. Oh you guys, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on and talking about your life with us.

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Speaker 1: This is so fun. We love it. We love it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Take care. Sibling Revelry is executive produced

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Speaker 1: by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is Alison. President,

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark.

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