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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome. I am Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: Rob King. We are live from Saint Vincent College here

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Speaker 2: in beautiful Lake Trope, where the Steelers just wrapped up

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Speaker 2: their padded practice today and we saw a ramp up

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Speaker 2: by the quarterback Russell Wilson today taking part in seven shots,

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Speaker 2: throwing a beautiful touchdown pass to George Pickens. Had also

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Speaker 2: three handoffs and that dro men, you know, kind of

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Speaker 2: mixed in and some of the other stuff as well.

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Speaker 2: But four shots at four shot seven shots, I should

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Speaker 2: say for Russell Wilson and the Steelers scored all on

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Speaker 2: three of the four and those were the only ones

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Speaker 2: the offense scored on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my apologies, I'm sweating hearts beating a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's hot here. I mean, I had to hustle back

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Speaker 3: from lunch. You know, mister King needed smoothie and I

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Speaker 3: didn't want him waiting.

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Speaker 2: I wondered if I wondered, he went from door to door.

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Speaker 3: And I wanted to apologize. I didn't get to your

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Speaker 3: your lawn this morning. But I'll get it mode after

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Speaker 3: the show, right, you know. But the ones, folks, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think we're back to normal here, and the first

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Speaker 3: round pick looks like he's uh running with the ones

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Speaker 3: too at right tackle a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit of that today as well. So, Uh,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers unveiling some stuff there today, and you know,

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Speaker 2: you wonder if maybe they saved that look on the

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Speaker 2: offensive line for the days when the quarterback is out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I hadn't thought of that part of the equation.

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Speaker 3: I guess that makes some sense. And we knew that

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Speaker 3: we were going to rush any of the rookies into

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Speaker 3: the mix, they're going to start to earn it. And

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Speaker 3: I think we all agree that the tackle situation we

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Speaker 3: want to see is Jones on the left, Tanu on

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Speaker 3: the right. And that's on a knock on Dan Moore,

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Speaker 3: who got a lot of first team reps today at

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Speaker 3: left tackle from what I saw as well, But I

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Speaker 3: think he's slowly getting phased out for the two super

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Speaker 3: talented players, you know, it's what you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And uh, again, I don't know that you know,

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Speaker 2: people may look at that and the same thing at

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Speaker 2: the center position and say, well, you know, why haven't

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Speaker 2: the rookies taken over at this point yet? The guys

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Speaker 2: that they're trying to push out of there. You know,

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Speaker 2: Dan Moore started a lot of games in this league,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know when you when you look at

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Speaker 2: you know, the situation at center, I understand that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a new center there, you know in

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Speaker 2: Nate Herbig. But those guys have done nothing wrong to

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Speaker 2: this point that I've seen that. You know, I said, oh,

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Speaker 2: you got to make a move. Now, you got to

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Speaker 2: do it and just get it over.

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Speaker 3: With m And I think it's interesting more and more

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Speaker 3: about the tackle situation. Is it's pretty clear that Moore

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Speaker 3: only plays the left side. Yeah, that's really been the

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Speaker 3: case now for years. Fine Jones, though I used to

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Speaker 3: think this is crazy, but I'm starting to come around

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Speaker 3: the idea that he doesn't really care if he's right

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Speaker 3: or left. I mean he seems oh he does, Oh

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Speaker 3: does he Okay, I mean he seems equally comfortable there.

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Speaker 3: Maybe he cares, but I don't know that he's worse

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Speaker 3: or better in one spot or only has to wrap

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Speaker 3: one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he get preferred to be. He definitely

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Speaker 2: prefers to be on the left side. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I think to your point, yeah, he looks he looks

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Speaker 4: Really yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's a good problem to have, as as

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Speaker 5: coaches and gms like to say, it's a good problem

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Speaker 5: to have that you have a veteran and I think

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Speaker 5: that Look, the students won a lot of games. The

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Speaker 5: Steelers went to the playoffs last year with Dan Moore

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Speaker 5: as their starting left tackle, and I think the students

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Speaker 5: believe they could go to the playoffs with herbig as.

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Speaker 4: They're starting center.

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Speaker 5: So it's incumbent upon the young guys. Are using cumbent

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Speaker 5: twice in the same sentence. It's incumbent upon the young

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Speaker 5: guys to beat out the incumbents, isn't it. I mean

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Speaker 5: you have to go beat him out. I mean, no,

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Speaker 5: you're not just giving a job in the NFL. You

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Speaker 5: got to beat him out. And you know, when you're

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Speaker 5: when you're and I'm sure the coaches are seeing things differently,

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Speaker 5: but you know, when you're an offensive tackle and you're

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Speaker 5: you know, you're not laying your weight into them and

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Speaker 5: those sort of things. It's a little bit different than

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Speaker 5: now we're starting to see, you know, the physical nature

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Speaker 5: take part in what these guys can do.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 5: They have an opportunity to deliver a blow and and

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Speaker 5: get out there. I talked to Troy Fautano after practice today,

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Speaker 5: and it's easier, I think for the guys, and they

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Speaker 5: relish the opportunity to hit the guy across from him

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Speaker 5: and not just be like, Okay, you know, we're gonna

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Speaker 5: kind of handsy. And you know, now we call playing

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Speaker 5: patty cake because one of those, one of those shots

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Speaker 5: of the chest would knock me in the next week.

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Speaker 3: But you know, a little bit different yourself, a little

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Speaker 5: Exactly exactly how how are you beating out a guy

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Speaker 5: when you're just kind of doing that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The throw that Wilson had in the seven shots to

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Speaker 2: Pickens undefendable. Yeah, I mean, just perfectly thrown pass. Demantekse

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Speaker 2: was the was the defensive back and coverage which Pickens

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Speaker 2: was in the slot by the way as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and there's nothing you can do about that. It was

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Speaker 2: a perfectly thrown pass that was just his second pass

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Speaker 2: and eleven on eleven stuff in this training camp. The

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Speaker 2: first one came on Sunday when he when he was

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Speaker 2: out there and some inside run stuff and he checked

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Speaker 2: into a into a pass play. This was a pass

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Speaker 2: all the way and it was perfectly placed. And I

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Speaker 2: tweeted out that you know they did that, and and

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Speaker 2: of course, uh, you know, I said there were three

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Speaker 2: you know, he ran three running plays and then you know,

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Speaker 2: threw a pass for a touchdown and immediately, Uh, some

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Speaker 2: of the you know, some of these smart alec tweeters

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Speaker 2: out there that the Fantasy front office tweets out perfect

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Speaker 2: play call ratio to overcome Russ. Do these guys not

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Speaker 2: pay any attention at all, Fantasy Fantasy front office to

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Speaker 2: what Wilson has done in his career in a red

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Speaker 2: zone right right?

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Speaker 3: And you're also doing these drills from almost on the

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Speaker 3: goal line. You're gonna run the ball a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's just the way the nature of it all. We

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Speaker 3: couldn't talk about this enough, I mean, but we have

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Speaker 3: talked about it quite a bit. I mean, in terms

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Speaker 3: of this team, red zone passing, the ability to throw

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Speaker 3: touchdowns has been unbelievably lacking over two years and if

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Speaker 3: it can get to league average, you're going to see

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Speaker 3: a lot more points on the board, let alone where

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Speaker 3: Wilson has been at points of his career and for

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Speaker 3: much of his career throwing the ball into the end zone,

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Speaker 3: he's been excellent at it.

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Speaker 5: So, by the way, I thought that was a really

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Speaker 5: interesting alignment. So they showed a lot of you know,

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Speaker 5: two three tight end looks. Actually I think three tight

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Speaker 5: end looks are two tight ends and a full back

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Speaker 5: in those those seven on seven and the first play

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Speaker 5: think they look to me like pretty much identical. They moved,

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Speaker 5: you know, the full back from the slot to the

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Speaker 5: eye formation and then ran it. The first time was successful.

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Speaker 5: The second time I think was stopped short. But I

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Speaker 5: think your point dale about Pickens being in the slot,

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Speaker 5: so it's a tight formation. And now try to envision

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Speaker 5: that fade pattern to the to the receiver who split

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Speaker 5: out wide, and now you've got to throw that perfect

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Speaker 5: ball sort of across the field into the corner of

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Speaker 5: the end zone over the top of the receiver. Well

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Speaker 5: with that one, when he's when he's in tight to

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Speaker 5: the formation and it's single coverage, he has more room

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Speaker 5: to the outside. It doesn't right, it doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 5: It's well designed. It was a perfect throw, but I

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Speaker 5: think there's a little more grace, especially with the receiver

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Speaker 5: like Pickens for the quarterback in that position. So I'm

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Speaker 5: just trying to call attention to what I thought was

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Speaker 5: a really good play design. Yeah, the way it was

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Speaker 5: set up with Pickens in the slot like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you explained it well and from how I remember it,

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Speaker 3: and Dale's right, it's a perfect throw, but there's also

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Speaker 3: room for error with the three right exactly. If I

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Speaker 3: just put it in this area and trust my guy

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Speaker 3: like a veteran, it's great, you know. I mean, even

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Speaker 3: if it wasn't a perfect throw, it could still be

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Speaker 3: right because you're not trying to hit you know, a bebie.

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Speaker 5: You know, right envision this, So if he's slanting away

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Speaker 5: from the defensive back in this instance, KZ, you could

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Speaker 5: throw a pass that would lead him over his shoulder,

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Speaker 5: or if it came a little short, he could still

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Speaker 5: leap over the man. When it's along the sidelines, it

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Speaker 5: has to be that leap over the guy throw. It's

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Speaker 5: the only throw that's available to you.

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Speaker 3: And not to mention. I mean, I'm just thinking about

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Speaker 3: it from a defensive perspective. It's really hard to double him,

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Speaker 3: you know, with his with all the size they have,

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Speaker 3: you know there and on an outbreaking route. It'd be

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Speaker 3: different if he was going over the middle. Everyone's probably

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Speaker 3: looking run with that kind of personnel as well, you know,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's a well designed stuff and the quarterback

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Speaker 3: did it perfectly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot of things.

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Speaker 5: You know, we talked about it, you know, I wasn't

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Speaker 5: well obviously there was no practice yesterday, right, but the

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Speaker 5: Brandon Ayuk rumors, you know.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's close, he's almost this steel he's.

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Speaker 2: Got an I was gonna morph to that. Okay, jumping

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Speaker 2: the gun here.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I mean, I just think that there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of things you can do with the personnel

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Speaker 5: they have.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 5: Ideally you'd either like somebody to emerge or you'd like

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Speaker 5: to get you know, a veteran guy or some sort

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Speaker 5: of presence, some guy that's been there and done that

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Speaker 5: and bit a one or two in the league. I

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Speaker 5: understand that, but I also think there's a lot of

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Speaker 5: different things they can do with his personnel, and I

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Speaker 5: think that they're establishing an identity and an attitude offensively,

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Speaker 5: and I think it's been fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: It has been fun to watch, and to me, Pickens

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Speaker 2: has quietly had an outstanding camp. Yeah, he looks every

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Speaker 2: bit the number one receiver that they expect him to be.

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Speaker 2: You know, Matt and I have talked about in our

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Speaker 2: fantasy football segments. We think, you know, the fantasy community

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Speaker 2: is probably still way too low, or at least the

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Speaker 2: drafting community is way too low. And I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of analysts are are starting to catch on this

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Speaker 2: guy's going to be pretty good. Which takes me to

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Speaker 2: the to the Ayuk stuff. To me, when I saw

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Speaker 2: last night that the that well, first of all, all

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Speaker 2: the rumor stuff was ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh it's out of hand right now.

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Speaker 2: Or particularly a player at that position.

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Speaker 2: But they're still young guys.

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Speaker 3: They're still young guys. That Jennings is a player they like.

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Speaker 2: You're not worried about being better draft picks for next

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Speaker 3: Now, right, And Cooper would do certainly do the trick

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Speaker 2: You're just trading. You're shuffling chairs on the deck of

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Speaker 3: There's a phase two to it, if it's Pickings and

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Speaker 5: Picks, you know, hey, I mean the one thing would

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Speaker 5: When you think about, you know, a couple of things

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Speaker 5: that is a massive upgrade in scheme. It's a massive

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Speaker 4: Right I'm with you, Dale, whereas Ayuk is Ayuk.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think, aren't you hoping Pickens can be

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Speaker 2: I think by the end of this season, people might

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Speaker 2: Like Ayuk's in that reign. He's not in that top

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Speaker 2: look at what Pickens did last year, sixty three catches

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Speaker 2: That would be a bad year for Pickens this year.

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Speaker 3: So I'm greedy and I want them both, be very honest.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think there's any There's no way you're

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Speaker 3: No. I mean, if the only way you can get

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Speaker 3: And interestingly, there was a study on all the wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you look at the games that he

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Speaker 5: So but I agree, I think the biggest you know, look,

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Speaker 4: Can do that? Fully? Is he big enough, long enough?

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Speaker 5: Is he Are you putting him in ideal situations for

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Speaker 5: We trust what we're doing, we trust our scouts, We

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Speaker 5: George Pickens can be that kind of player. You're not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's the That's the biggest thing right now.

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Speaker 2: But but not at the expense of George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: No, that just doesn't make sense. I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: Seen other people saying, well, they could they could give

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Speaker 2: not interested in weakening my defense to make that offense

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Speaker 3: I I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know that at the end of the season, Matt,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that the the upgrade with Ayuk.

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Speaker 2: But is it is that worth it? Is that worth it?

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Speaker 3: It makes a weaker. But I mean that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: player in your locker room. That sends a bad message.

436
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 2: What's what's Cam Hayward gonna say? You know, you're, oh,

437
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 2: you're gonna give Ayuk all this money, But you wouldn't.

438
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 2: You wouldn't give me a new deal. Pat Fryermouth, any

439
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: of these guys, and then your.

440
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 3: Your heels might be coming. No, I mean, it's.

441
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 2: Still it upsets the Apple Car. It upsets the Apple cart,

442
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: and it's something that they believe in as an organization,

443
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 2: something that they don't do. They don't bring in an

444
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 2: outside guy. There was never going to be another defensive

445
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 2: back or a defensive player on this roster when they

446
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 2: had Troy Polamalu, who was getting paid more than Troy Polamalu.

447
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: You're not going to bring in Brandon Ayuk and immediately

448
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 2: make him the highest paid player on your team. So

449
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: when he's never done a thing for you.

450
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,120
Speaker 5: I would say this, I think, and again I could

451
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 5: be very wrong on this. First of all, he hasn't

452
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 5: been traded yet, so the clear they haven't gotten.

453
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: I think they's all posturing from the forty nine Ers.

454
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 4: They they haven't gotten what they wanted. Now.

455
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 5: He may be traded thirty seconds from now, but they

456
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 5: haven't gotten what they wanted yet. That's one thing, so

457
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 5: that the ship hasn't completely saled for me. But I

458
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 5: think if I'm looking at a receiver from the Steelers perspective,

459
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 5: I am looking at a rental. I don't know as

460
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 5: I'm trading for Ayuk and signing him to a massive,

461
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 5: huge contract, extension when I think I might have that

462
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Speaker 5: guy in my own team.

463
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Speaker 4: What is that telling.

464
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 5: Pickett We're not going to pay two guys, right, thirty

465
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 5: million dollars a year?

466
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Speaker 4: So I might value Ayuk as a really really good rental.

467
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Speaker 5: We'll pay for one year and then he's gone, Whereas

468
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Speaker 5: if you're the forty nine Ers, you're valuing him at

469
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Speaker 5: higher than that, and which could be part of the

470
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Speaker 5: reason that he hasn't been traded yet. But I mean,

471
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 5: if I'm miss Steelers, I'm looking for it. Okay, Look,

472
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 5: I got Roman Wilson. I'd like to see Calvin Austin

473
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 5: in this offense. I'll draft another one next year, right,

474
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna draft another receiver next year. And then I

475
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 5: think it also goes back to how much are you,

476
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Speaker 5: as an organization.

477
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Speaker 4: Willing to pay a top receiver. I'm I still am.

478
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Speaker 5: I've still got an eyebrow arched at the thought of

479
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 5: paying a receiver thirty to thirty five million dollars a year.

480
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 5: What is a salary cap to fifty ish yees, he's

481
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 5: like two forty Okay, so ish, So if I'm paying somebody,

482
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Speaker 5: if I'm paying one receiver twelve point five percent of

483
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 5: my one guy at a fifty three is getting what

484
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Speaker 5: was that? It was that shaky guy for me, and

485
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,919
Speaker 5: that'd spinach it that the brain's working well. So you know,

486
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Speaker 5: if you're paying somebody, you know, one guy that much

487
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Speaker 5: of your cap space. And I understand, I say, I

488
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 5: talk about this all the time, how one player benefits

489
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Speaker 5: so many others around him.

490
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Speaker 4: Still, you're talking.

491
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Speaker 5: About a guy who's, you know, touching the ball eight

492
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 5: times a game, and I know, magic stuff happens in

493
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 5: those He's he's accounting for one hundred yards.

494
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 4: A game and that's a lot of offense. But man,

495
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 4: that's a lot of money to.

496
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Speaker 2: But he already got that guy.

497
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Speaker 4: But but I'm saying cheaper, I'm not sure you right,

498
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Speaker 4: And I'm not sure.

499
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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what the organizational philosophy is

500
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Speaker 5: on that, because they don't have a guy that you're

501
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 5: gonna yet that.

502
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: Needs to be that.

503
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Speaker 2: They paid Antonio Brown, and I get it, he was,

504
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, one point the highest paid receiver in the game.

505
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Speaker 2: To your point, he changed the way teams defended them.

506
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Speaker 2: I don't know that. George again, adding Brandon Ayuk to

507
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: this offense, I don't know changes the whole complexion of

508
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: of how defenses defend them because they don't want to

509
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: throw the ball. They've shown us they want to run

510
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: the football here.

511
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Speaker 3: That's what I disagree with, because you would not see

512
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 3: eight man boxes with pickens and Ayuk.

513
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Speaker 2: I get it, but you have to want to throw

514
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Speaker 2: the ball as well.

515
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: You don't have to. I mean, if you're getting six

516
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: yards of carry instead of four point three yards of

517
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 3: carry just because Ayuke's out there doing wind sprints.

518
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Speaker 2: It's worth thirty million dollars in draft picks.

519
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Speaker 3: Heck, yeah, Alex Highsmith, high Smith and something small.

520
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: You know they're not gonna it's not gonna be something

521
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: small though to think because there are other teams involved

522
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: for this pick, they're not. Yeah, And I don't know

523
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: that the forty nine ers are gonna be interested in

524
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Speaker 2: doing this. If it doesn't include a first round pick.

525
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Speaker 2: You might have to pay for a quarterback next year.

526
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: You might need that first round pick for a quarterback

527
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: next year. We have no idea what the quarterback situation

528
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Speaker 2: this year.

529
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Speaker 3: No question. I would give them the Steelers first round pick.

530
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Speaker 3: I would give them high Smith in the first round pick.

531
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Speaker 3: I thought that's what you were saying I'd give them

532
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Speaker 3: high Smith any pick. Not at first, but I would.

533
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Speaker 3: I would have an offer on the table right now.

534
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 3: You can have our first round pick straight up for Ayuk.

535
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Speaker 3: If that's gonna get it done, great, I would do

536
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Speaker 3: it in Harp.

537
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna get it done. Obviously, it's

538
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: not gonna get it done. I just don't see the

539
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: Steelers mortgage in the future like that. Again, when you

540
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: don't know what your situation is a quarterback, they're not

541
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Speaker 2: gonna give up George Pickens, and that Pickings makes no sense.

542
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: And I don't see giving up Alex high Smith when

543
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: he signed to a what what's looking now like a

544
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: team friendly deal.

545
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 3: Isn't the way with every.

546
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Speaker 5: When it when a player is good, every deal becomes.

547
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 5: It starts out being he's the X amount of highest

548
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 5: paid player, and then it winds up being a team

549
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 5: friendly deal by the time it's over with, right, I

550
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 5: think Heismith's a terrific player, really really good player. The

551
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 5: sack numbers didn't follow last year, but I thought he

552
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Speaker 5: I thought he had another very good season.

553
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: I thought rushing the passer, he was as good as

554
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: he had been the previous year. The only difference was

555
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: on the previous year he was the main pass rusher.

556
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Last year he's racing TJ Watt to the quarterback and

557
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: what gets there first? A lot of times?

558
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't.

559
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 5: TJ doesn't play nice before you get there, I'm going

560
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Speaker 5: to put him on the ground.

561
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Speaker 4: How about that?

562
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Speaker 5: So I don't know. I just think there's a number

563
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Speaker 5: of reasons. Like to me, if you were looking at

564
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Speaker 5: and again, is I accept.

565
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Speaker 4: After this year? Right, this is last year of his deal.

566
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: But San Francisco they could franchise and they could do whatever

567
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: they want.

568
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Speaker 4: I think you're looking and the Steelers could do the

569
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 4: same thing. Are you're looking? I think you're looking at

570
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: a high value real quick?

571
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: Anyone the trades Forum is going to extend. Yeah, that's

572
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: part of the deal. I mean that's for some reason.

573
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 3: The Jets did not do that with us on Raddick,

574
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: which is bonkers. But everyone in the planet is going to.

575
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: Because all you be doing is training. You could be

576
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: doing a hold in here.

577
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 4: But you could get all right, all right, yea, because

578
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 4: holding in right. Yeah. So I don't know.

579
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Speaker 5: I I think I think because of that, you know,

580
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Speaker 5: I think that I don't know I mean, I would

581
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 5: be great to have clearly on the field. I'm not

582
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 5: saying that's a great players when you're when you're balancing

583
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 5: how much a guy's going to cost you an assets?

584
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: How much is going to cost you in money after

585
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: you've uh you know, forked over those assets. I still

586
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 5: think like a Tyler Lockett, I'd.

587
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Speaker 2: Like that would make a lot more sense.

588
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 4: Right, cost you less. Probably that's a.

589
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Speaker 3: Fifth round pick for Tyler Lockett. Yeah that's nothing, you

590
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean like that that makes all sense

591
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: the world.

592
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: Too, and I think that makes you would win.

593
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: I mean there's like we can name ten names, not

594
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: first round pick assets.

595
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: You know what else is going to be fun the

596
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 5: preseason games for that reason, like who's out there running around?

597
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: Who looks good?

598
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 5: As somebody separated themselves and Van Jefferson was the second

599
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 5: round pick and you can talk about Okay, well, uh

600
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 5: when he got healthy, they had Puka Tokua and Cooper

601
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: Cup so he became expendable, right was He was his

602
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 5: career moving in the right direction before he got hurt.

603
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I mean.

604
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 5: Yes, I would love to see this, the Steelers get

605
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 5: a number two guy, but let's let's there's time, let's

606
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 5: play it.

607
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: There's time, there's no reason to just eva to do it.

608
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Speaker 2: Absolutely that he is Rob King, that's Matt Williamson. I'm

609
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Speaker 2: Dale Lallie. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. We are live from Steelers training camp here

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Speaker 2: in Saint Vincent College. We'll be back with more here

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Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, your

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly here with

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Speaker 2: V Rob King and V Matt Williamson, live from Steelers'

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Speaker 2: training camp here at Saint Vincent College and Beautiful La Troupe.

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Speaker 2: Steelers got their practice in earlier today. It was hot, Yeah,

620
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: it was hot, just sticky hot.

621
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Speaker 3: Today.

622
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: This is supposed to rain, I guess tonight at some point.

623
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Speaker 2: Maybe that'll cool things off, or maybe it'll make it

624
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: even hotter tomorrow.

625
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: We shall see.

626
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but guys, looking at the division as a whole, Matt,

627
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: we haven't talked a lot about this yet. I wanted

628
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: to save this from Rob on for a show. We've

629
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: kind of danced around the pecking order of where we

630
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: think things are gonna are are gonna wind up this year,

631
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: but we haven't really come out and said one way

632
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: or the other. And obviously we can change our minds

633
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: about these things once we get into actual game. But

634
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: just given the way that Cleveland's been kind of hit

635
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 2: by injuries already.

636
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're probably getting hit the hardest in the league,

637
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Them in the Rams, them.

638
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: In the Rams. Yeah, I might be picking Cleveland fourth

639
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: in the division this year.

640
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: I've been leaning that way either way, to be honest

641
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: with you. And I think the defense is really good,

642
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: but it's also hard to be a top two or

643
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 3: three defense year after year. I mean, as chances are

644
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: you'll probably take a small step back on that regard.

645
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: And I think their quarterback situation is a real problem.

646
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 3: And I also think losing their offensive line coach is

647
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: an under reported massive deal for them. I think all

648
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: four teams are gonna be good, though, I mean I

649
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: think they all could be over five hundred. Again, I

650
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: think any of them could end up in the playoffs

651
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 3: and win playoff games. But I'm leaning towards Cleveland fourth.

652
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also you know, the AFC North teams

653
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: this year play nine road games, and as we saw

654
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: last year, Cleveland's defense on the road was not as

655
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: stout as it day. Yeah, it was night and day.

656
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: I think they gave up like fourteen or fifteen points

657
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: per game at home. They gave up like twenty nine

658
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: points per game on the road, which was you know,

659
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: if they did that over the course of the season,

660
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: would have been you know, like thirty first in points allowed.

661
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, including the playoff game, which is crazy.

662
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: When you think about it, that kind of split. Yeah.

663
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: I just think that, and we often you know, I

664
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: don't know that that franchise knows how to deal with success.

665
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: They've never proven to be able to. I mean, that's

666
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: definitely true. Another thing that I think is going on there,

667
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: which I understand, is if you're going to invest in Watson,

668
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: of course it looks like a terrible investment, but you

669
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: already did it. If I'm ownership, I'm going to say, well,

670
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: let's make his life as easy as humanly possible. Okay,

671
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: I understand that. Let's go get receivers, let's go three wide,

672
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: let's put him in the shotgun, let's spread the ball

673
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: around a little bit more. Let's let him use his legs. Okay,

674
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: but that's not what they've been good at. What they've

675
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: been good at is giving it the Nick Chubb behind

676
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: a really good line and pounding it out in Cleveland,

677
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And to change the way

678
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: you play offense and Chubbs now, I'm not really in

679
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: the equation, or it could be or who knows. To

680
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: fit this guy is almost like making a mistake on

681
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: top of another mistake.

682
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 5: Is there anything to be taken from the fact that

683
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 5: as bad as Deshaun Watson has looked, the Browns were

684
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 5: five and one last year with him as the quarterback,

685
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: and they're eight and four and they're two years with

686
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 5: him as the quarterback.

687
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: And I don't know if I don't know why that is?

688
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, but you know I see him playing and

689
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 5: he doesn't look like the same guy to me.

690
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: Now, I thought it was a bad deal when they

691
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 4: did it.

692
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 5: For a number of reasons. My view has not changed

693
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: that it's not a good deal. But I look at

694
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 5: that five and one record and think, hmmm, is there

695
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: something there?

696
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: Is he doing something?

697
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Somehow he largely played at home.

698
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: That was that helps man.

699
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: I don't know who the opponents were, but I mean,

700
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: maybe he has a little more fourth quarter magic than

701
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 3: some of the other dudes that they've had to play.

702
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't realize their record was that good

703
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: with him as a starter. But I also wouldn't look

704
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: too much into it either because I don't think he's

705
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: been the difference in those games.

706
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: No, he had the one good game last year they

707
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: beat Baltimore down and even that game, he threw for

708
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: two hundred thirteen yards in a touchdown. So it wasn't

709
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: like he did a great thing there. I'm just looking

710
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: here now. Yeah, his five and one record. Four of

711
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: those wins were at home. Well, their defense was ridiculous.

712
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: We just went through the numbers. They give up like

713
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: fifteen points a game at home. They give up thirty

714
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: points a game on the road. You know, they just

715
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: it was night and day. And I think, as they

716
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: showed last year, it didn't seemed to matter who they

717
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: started when they played at home.

718
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: That whole home roads stuff. You know, people less than

719
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: on Stale and I talk about it a lot because

720
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: it's so extreme. I don't know what to make of it.

721
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: And if I was a coaching I don't envy that

722
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: coaching staff or trying to figure it out either, because yes,

723
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: that's a hard place to play. Yes they get weather,

724
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: but of those road games, it wasn't like they were

725
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 3: in torrential downpours playing in slop time and time again either,

726
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it wasn't even typical awful Cleveland weather. Now,

727
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: if the Pirates had seventeen games and scored ten runs

728
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: a game at home and scored two runs a game

729
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: on the road, nobody would care, you know what I mean.

730
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it's just a fluke, or maybe there's

731
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: something with their communication or something that is a problem

732
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: that they It would be making me crazy though working

733
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: in that building to figure that out.

734
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 5: I do want to go back to DeShawn though, for

735
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 5: just a moment, because I think, like you guys, I

736
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 5: think we all agree about the deal. I didn't think

737
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 5: it to time is a good deal. But the quarterback position,

738
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 5: more than any other position in the NFL, is linked

739
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 5: with wins and losses. You pick a guy, You get

740
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 5: a guy because you think he can take you. He

741
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: can take a bad team in tournament to a good team.

742
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 5: He can take a good team and turn them to

743
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 5: the playoff team. He can turn a playoff team and

744
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 5: take a playoff team and tournament to a Super Bowl

745
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: winner five and one. I think if I'm Cleveland, if

746
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 5: I'm the front office, I'm saying, look, he's he's five

747
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 5: and look what we traded for.

748
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: We traded for a five and one quarterback.

749
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 3: We're going to be five.

750
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't I think. I don't know.

751
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 5: It's it's that division top to bottom. I mean, there's

752
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 5: nothing close, is there.

753
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: No? No, I don't think so.

754
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: No.

755
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: Looking at the other three teams, Baltimore, We've talked, you know,

756
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: a lot about this. That offensive line continues to be

757
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: something of a matt I saw a thing yesterday. I

758
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: was looking around at they were talking about the Ravens

759
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: and their you know, the rookie from last year. Yeah,

760
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 2: before he says one, uh has one starting job. Looks

761
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: like he's got that locked up, and then the other

762
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: the other starting guard.

763
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 3: Spot is and mccary's playing right tackle right now. Yeah.

764
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's where they're at at this stage

765
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: of the game. That's ugly, that's worrisome for sure. I

766
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: mean maybe some of it is kind of like the

767
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: Steelers here waiting for Rose Garden to take the right

768
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: tackle job and then you can move McCary the right guard.

769
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe. I also thinks, I know, you agree, it's

770
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: just not a tackle period. You know, maybe a NFL player.

771
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: I mean he's got NFL size, but that's about it.

772
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 2: That's about it.

773
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that needs to work yourself out, There's no question.

774
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 3: I also think their skill position depth is worrisome too.

775
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: They did you signed? They said they signed the receiver.

776
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: Today, Yeah, Russell Gage Gauge.

777
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 3: I mean I think they're looking for like a three

778
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: and a four they can count on too.

779
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's a Flowers or Shot Bateman

780
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: and Nelson Aguilar. Yeah.

781
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 3: I think they have reasonably high hopes for Bateman. Remember,

782
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have given him the money to be a two

783
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: or even a three with Andrews as the two. And

784
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, but then.

785
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, you're not there's not a lot of depth there.

786
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 5: And I think that that's you know, you look at

787
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: Cleveland and you think, Okay, how are they going to

788
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: run the ball, right, I mean, it's Jerome Ford.

789
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: Gonna be the guy? Yeah, you know, so that's a

790
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: big question.

791
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 5: What's their offensive scheme gonna be like it's Deshaun Watson

792
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: ever gonna be the Deshaun Watson that he was down

793
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 5: at Houston.

794
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: That's for good for them. He's coming off a shoulder injury.

795
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: They required surgery that they're still resting him in training camp.

796
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: With it's a shoulder they're still monitoring.

797
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: Like that's not that's done. You know. Uh, it's a

798
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 2: big deal.

799
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not what you want to have. No, you

800
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 5: don't have a shoulder injury. And and you're right, I mean,

801
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 5: who's gonna block for the forty nine ers? You went

802
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 5: out and got a you got a great running back,

803
00:36:58,760 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry.

804
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: He looks like he's still some tread left at the

805
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: tires but.

806
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 3: Up in the air. Another thing I think is massive

807
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: in the division and we kind of touched on it,

808
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 3: but the other three teams got hit really hard from

809
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: their coaching staff. Yeah, where we all think the Steelers

810
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: improved their coaching staff, you know from a year ago.

811
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: I mean, not only did the Ravens lose a defensive

812
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: coordinator became a head coach, but the next two top

813
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: assistants became defensive coordinators. Callahan, I mean, that's like wh

814
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: Munchak left. I mean, it's a big time, all time

815
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: great type O line coach. And then the Titans head

816
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: coach was from the Begels staff, you know. I mean,

817
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: so the rest of the vision suffered a lot behind

818
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: the scenes.

819
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I was actually reading a piece from Ravens

820
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: camp yesterday or the day before, and they were talking

821
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: about how Trenton Simpson but you know, he's he's having

822
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: a great camp. The other day he actually knocked down

823
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry during you know, tackled him to the ground.

824
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm like that was noteworthy. Yeah, like that happens every

825
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: day here. Like it just you know, I don't know.

826
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: I look at that that that Ravens defense now again,

827
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: and hey, Matta Bouquet is good, you know, Michael pierceon

828
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: and Travis Jones. I like both of those players. They're

829
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: counting on, oh way away and a Jabo and yeah,

830
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: I mean these guys haven't done it yet.

831
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: No, I mean, losing like a clowney I think hurts them.

832
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: He played really really well for them, and.

833
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: They're counting on Trent and Simpson to replace Petrick Queen. Yeah,

834
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's ready to do that.

835
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: And they lost Genostone the safety. I think they'll be

836
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: better at corner if Humphrey stays healthy. You know, they'd

837
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: use the first round pick there. But I'm more worried

838
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: about scheme defensively. I mean, they schemed a lot of

839
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: stuff up that worked out well. They're gonna be good.

840
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, I mean, no one thinks they're

841
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: gonna be four and twelve four no, No, like the

842
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Ravens are always gonna be good. Yeah, I mean, they'll

843
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: figure things out more than most teams, but they might

844
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 3: have more to figure out than any team of the division.

845
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 5: I think that they're one of those organizations that I

846
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: really think they modeled themselves after what this Deelers do.

847
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 5: You know, the consistency and the building through the draft

848
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: and developing your own players and there. It feels like

849
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 5: they might be in a little bit of a law period.

850
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: Like as well run as they are, that this might

851
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: be a bit of a lull. Whereas I think that

852
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 5: if you're Cincinnati, you're saying, yeah, we improve, we got

853
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow back. I mean, we're going to take a

854
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: massive step forward from where they were a year ago,

855
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 5: which was in the playoff hunt without him, And I

856
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: think if you're the Steelers, and again you know the

857
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: slow start obviously too. I think if you're the Steelers,

858
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 5: you're saying we've we've upgraded in a number of different

859
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 5: areas from a team that went to the playoffs. So

860
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: to me, there's more questions around Cleveland and Baltimore than

861
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 5: there are around the Steelers and the Bengals. Tho, it'll

862
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 5: be interesting to get that perception from the outside where

863
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: we have a quarterback battle if you read lots of

864
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 5: different websites and.

865
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: Other parts of people who haven't been here.

866
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 5: Right, But also, you know, I haven't been to Cleveland,

867
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 5: and I haven't been to Baltimore, and I haven't been

868
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 5: to Cincinnati, So it's hard to know what their own

869
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: internal perceptions are of those guys. And you know, again

870
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: we talk about self scouting. I have a lot of

871
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 5: respect for the Ravens organization, and maybe they believe some

872
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 5: of these guys are ready, and maybe they'll be right.

873
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: I mean, they drafted Simpson for a reason, of course,

874
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: I mean they've had the foresight to do that. I

875
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: think the old line kind of stuck up on him

876
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: a little bit, but especially with Stanley's injury as as

877
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: a guy they've been counting on. But I do believe

878
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: deep down that the most improved team in the division

879
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: is the one that plays on the fields in front

880
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: of us.

881
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know, have

882
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: they improved enough. That's why we're going to find out,

883
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 2: you know something We're going to find out here during

884
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: the season. But I just think, you know, the way

885
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: this division is, to your point, Rob, the best division

886
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: in football. Every game, all seventeen games are ridiculously meaningful

887
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: because you know, you know, look at it. Last year,

888
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: you know, the difference between being in last place and

889
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: second place was two games games.

890
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: Right right.

891
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: I also think an advantage with all respect to Harbaugh,

892
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 3: who I do think is a great coach and Stefanski's

893
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: one coach of the year, which I don't understand.

894
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 2: But without winning the division, I.

895
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 3: Sure like the Steelers starting with their head coach knowledge

896
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: of the other three teams more than vice versa. I mean,

897
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: to your point, Rob, I think for the majority of

898
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: our lives, those organizations have looked up at the Steelers.

899
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 3: We need to pattern ourselves this way. It doesn't mean

900
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: the Steelers are better than them every game every year

901
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. But I think they've strived to be the Steelers,

902
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: and there's a little bit of a big brother thing there.

903
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: Well I'm mind sure about that, but I do think

904
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: Tomlin and his staff has an amazing idea of what

905
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: those opponents do and how to beat them. Like Lamar

906
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 3: is the best example. Lamar kills everybody, but not really

907
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: the Steelers, you know.

908
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: What I mean, right, Yeah, Burrow's really great, but not

909
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: always against the Steelers.

910
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: You know, if you can have a winning record in

911
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: the North goes a long way in this division. And

912
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: they consistently do.

913
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 5: They consistently do and that is the best. I mean,

914
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: it's certainly the most competitive division in football. There's nobody

915
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: in which every single game in that division. I mean, man,

916
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 5: you you could, you know, it feels like you could

917
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 5: have a plus minus point differential of like eleven and

918
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 5: b zero to seven in the division. You don't remember

919
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 5: six in the division? Yeah, because I think they're all

920
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 5: going to be such close games.

921
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: The last time Stefanski bow it just one more thing

922
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: on the Browns. One coach of the year. They've gone

923
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: eleven and five in twenty twenty. The next year they

924
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: went eight to nine, So they took that step back.

925
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty two, seven and ten last year was

926
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: the you know they went. They finished eleven and six

927
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: last year. I wouldn't be surprised to see a losing

928
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: record this year of them again.

929
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 5: You know, well deserved Coach of the Year a couple

930
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: of years ago for him, and he certainly deserved to

931
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 5: be in the running.

932
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: I just I was. I didn't even pay any attention

933
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 4: to it because I just thought Demiko Ryans was.

934
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: I don't understand how to Maka Ryans didn't win it.

935
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 4: I thought he was going to be a shoeing for

936
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 4: the award. So I was like, whoa wow.

937
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: I mean, Sefanski definitely did a good job at Tamika

938
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: Ryan's and.

939
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 4: Now we'll see.

940
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 5: And here's the thing about Coach of the Year award, right,

941
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 5: so if they come out this year and they make

942
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 5: the playoffs again, you're winning. Winning Coach of the Year

943
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 5: is just open and closed.

944
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: Right.

945
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: You know you're never gonna win it again. You have

946
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 5: no chance of winning it again. I thought he did.

947
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 5: I mean, my goodness, he went from a you went

948
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 5: from a bad team that nobody thought was gonna do anything.

949
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 3: About Houston Houston.

950
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

951
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 4: Last year.

952
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: Oh, we were talking about them having a top five

953
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: pick at this point, right, you know, right, Like remember

954
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 3: they made the trade on draft Day for will Anderson

955
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: and instead of giving up their first, they gave up

956
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: Cleveland's first, and we're all like, that's bold, right, Well

957
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: they end up picking.

958
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: Later, they're right, Yeah, that's right, that's right.

959
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: Real quick on the Browns. And this doesn't apply to

960
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: this year, but because of the Watson trade, they've had

961
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 3: so few picks on Day one and two now for

962
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: I think three years going, that's gonna catch up.

963
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no doubt a batch.

964
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 3: Up this year, but it will catch up for sure.

965
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: That's why it wouldn't make sense for them to trade.

966
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: In some ways, I get it if they you know,

967
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: if they want to make a trade for Brandon Ayuk,

968
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: they're they're they're swapping out Amari Cooper for a younger, Yeah,

969
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: for young and a lot or years Yeah yeah, right,

970
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: but you're gonna have to pay him then. Oh you know,

971
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: Cooper's contract was expiring. They were had that one off

972
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: the books. Now you're gonna pay that guy thirty million

973
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: dollars a year.

974
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: I don't think Cooper will be a Brown next year

975
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: no matter what.

976
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so either. But you know, also

977
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: presuming then that you're adding draft picks to the equation

978
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: you haven't had draft picks, you know, all that you're

979
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: shorting yourself again.

980
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 3: You know, all the Bentons and Porters and guys like

981
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: that that don't kill your cap but get better and

982
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: you know, year two they're starters and then they're really

983
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: good players in year three. I mean they're lacking that.

984
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 3: That's hard to build around, man.

985
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 5: I mean to your point Dale earlier about hey, the Steelers,

986
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 5: you know, we don't know what's gonna happen at the

987
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 5: quarterback position.

988
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: Maybe next year it's Steelers have the cap room. Who

989
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 4: with the cap room to go out in free agency

990
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: and get a quarterback? That's pretty much nobody unless you're

991
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 4: doing it the way they've done it. I will say

992
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: this that the.

993
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 5: One team that seems to be flying in the face

994
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 5: of it with trading down and not having top picks,

995
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 5: and they gave up Son for Stafford. I don't know

996
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: how much of it's trading down and stuff, but the

997
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: Rams man they got a haul last year with like

998
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: they have I think did they have every pick in

999
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 5: the fifth round last year.

1000
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: You know, they but for a long you know, for

1001
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 2: several years there they were trading white draft picks for players,

1002
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: right and say and and the GM comes out and

1003
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: f those picks, you know. And last year they get

1004
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: they couldn't have enough draft picks, you know, and I

1005
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: don't know.

1006
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 5: But they're all they didn't have any in the top

1007
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 5: two rounds. I think, right, wasn't their top in the

1008
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 5: third round. Last year they drafted. This past year, they

1009
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 5: drafted Jared Verse in the first round.

1010
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 4: I meant the year before, I know, I know.

1011
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: But the most recent first round pick since then was

1012
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 3: Jared Goff. I mean, it was like ten years stretch

1013
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: between Golf and Verse, and they didn't have any first

1014
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: round pick during that whole stretch. But they're also a

1015
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: really smart organization, and they worked the comp game extremely

1016
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: well and had lots of mid round picks that whole time.

1017
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: You know, So, yeah, you can have the picks in

1018
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: terms of first rounders, but they made a lot of them.

1019
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 3: And even if you hit on one out of three

1020
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: fifth round picks, you're doing fine. You know, you get

1021
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: starting safety year, you.

1022
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 5: Know, right, and now we wonder and they hit on

1023
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: more than that last year. That a great draft, LA

1024
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 5: and we wonder now if those mid round picks are

1025
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: going to be an il affected now and whether those

1026
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 5: aren't going to.

1027
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 4: Be as valuable as they used to be.

1028
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: The other thing is when you win a Super Bowl,

1029
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 5: everything's far right right. But again, so we've talked about

1030
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 5: this in the past, but the fans that are saying, well,

1031
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 5: you got to push in all your chips and you

1032
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 5: gotta win a super Bowl. Just because you push in

1033
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: your chips doesn't mean you're gonna win. You're gonna win

1034
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. And will you take four years of

1035
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 5: almost for another six years of well, we have to

1036
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 5: rebuild it again.

1037
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Bucks with Brady pushed their chips

1038
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: in and one, the Rams push their chips in in one.

1039
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: The Browns chips are in, the Dolphins chips are in,

1040
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 3: the Jets chips or the Saints. Yeah, it's all I

1041
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: would say. That's about sayings. It's always Marty Gras in

1042
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 3: New Orleans, and they don't care about the hangover. They

1043
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 3: just push them in and push them in and push

1044
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: them in. But most often you don't end up with

1045
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 3: a ring. Right.

1046
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because it's just the reality of it.

1047
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: It's hard. You know, only one team gets to win it,

1048
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: and it's you know when when for a long time

1049
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: when you had to you know, Brady and now mahomes

1050
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: monopolizing on it. You know, the Buffalo Bills have been

1051
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: really good in this window.

1052
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they kind of pulled their chips out a little bit.

1053
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: That's the one I think about.

1054
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 5: It's like you've just lost you know, Pro Bowlers in

1055
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 5: the last couple of years, Pro Bowlers after Pro Bowlers,

1056
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 5: and is that window closing a little bit now? I

1057
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: think as long as Josh Allen's going to be there,

1058
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 5: there'll always be a time to throw open the window

1059
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 5: and you know, possibly win one. But uh, yeah, it's

1060
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 5: it's interesting and I think it's instructive for fans who

1061
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 5: think that just because you go for it, you're gonna

1062
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 5: win it, that they don't necessarily follow.

1063
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's uh, you know again, one team

1064
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: gets to win it, and uh, you know, it's not

1065
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 2: always going to be your team. You know, sometimes somebody

1066
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: else pulls puts their chips in. Sometimes the teams don't

1067
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: even put their you know, is Detroit are all Detroit

1068
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: chips in now because they've just.

1069
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: This offseason implies that, yeah, you know.

1070
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: But last year, you know, they make the you know,

1071
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: I don't know that anybody expected them to make the

1072
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game going into last year.

1073
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: Right right, I mean things change quick. The Texans are

1074
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 3: the perfect example. Yeah, you know, I mean, now they're

1075
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: going out and getting digs and Hunter and.

1076
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah big pushing those chips into the middle of the table. Right,

1077
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 2: but then almost you know, at some points you gotta

1078
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 2: pay the quarterback and that kind of you know, now

1079
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: you get now you gotta take some of the chips

1080
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: out of the middle.

1081
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 5: I think I brought it up on this show, but

1082
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 5: I still go back to that year that the Steelers

1083
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 5: at Plague Portals lost to the Jaguars at Van Heinz Field,

1084
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 5: and how many Jaguars had like seven Pro Bowlers and

1085
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 5: everyone's like, oh my goodness, this is the I bought in. Now,

1086
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is a this is a team that's

1087
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 5: got a lot of great players. Well, you're playing a

1088
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 5: last play schedule. You don't have a target on your back.

1089
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 5: There's there's any number of reasons a team can trip up,

1090
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 5: and they that group never did it.

1091
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 3: Again, they picked in the top ten like nine out

1092
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: of ten years, which helped the five.

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00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: I mean, think about where the Bengals will be right

1094
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: now if they didn't pick in the top five the

1095
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: year the Burrow and Chase came out. Sure, if that

1096
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: had been a different year and it's not Joe Burrow

1097
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: it's JaMarcus Russell instead, or even if they picked five.

1098
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: And end up with two instead of Burrow. Yeah, you know,

1099
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta take advantage of what's there, of course,

1100
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: you know, right.

1101
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 5: But absolutely timing, timing on being bad, not just being bad,

1102
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 5: but timing on being bad.

1103
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: Is very important. Absolutely, let's get to a break. He

1104
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: is Rob King, that's Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lelly. You're

1105
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: listening to the drive here on the Steelers Nation Radio

1106
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: and sports Pits. We we have our live training camp

1107
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: practices here at Saint Pencent College, a Steelers just wrapping

1108
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: up their practice a little bit ago. They'll be back

1109
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: on the field again tomorrow and then again on Thursday.

1110
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: So Ray, we're rare open practice the day before a game.

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00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: In fact, it's really rare. It's never happened before that,

1112
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: I recall. And then of course have their preseason opener

1113
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: at Acrosser Stadium on Friday. That's a seven o'clock start

1114
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: against the Houston Texans. We're gonna take a break. We'll

1115
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Speaker 2: be back with more on the Drive right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

1117
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: and GOLDNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly here with

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00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: the Rob King and the Matt Williams and we are

1121
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: live at Saint Vincent College here in beautiful Latrope with

1122
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: Steelers that wrapped up their practice session for the day

1123
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: a little bit ago. Of course, they're practicing in the morning,

1124
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: being weekdays now and practicing, you know, in the afternoon

1125
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: on the weekends. And guys, we have a power ranking

1126
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: here from Eric at Home on NFL dot Com, the

1127
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: first one of the preseason.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's dig in, all right, love it.

1129
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: Let's see where we're at here as we get the

1130
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: as we head into what is essentially week one of

1131
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: the preseason.

1132
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 3: Have you looked yet?

1133
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: I have not.

1134
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick bet. How many what's the all

1135
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: AFC North themes? We've had an AFC North session do

1136
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: you think they'll all be in the top twelve.

1137
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: Twelve, No, no, fourteen, top fourteen, Yes, I would say so. Yeah,

1138
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: I think that fourteen or fifteen. Yeah, okay, okay. At

1139
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 2: thirty two, Eric at Home on NFL dot Com has

1140
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers. Yeah.

1141
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I give them credit. They went out

1142
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: and put things around Bryce young Deontae two guards. But

1143
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 3: what no one's talking about is their defense suffered. Yeah,

1144
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: you like, their defense was bad, not horrible. Now, it

1145
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 3: could be horrible.

1146
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 5: But that's the right place to be. You have to

1147
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 5: you have to protect your young quarterback. You have to

1148
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 5: get him, You have to get them guys around and

1149
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: he can make place with.

1150
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I said this when the Steelers drafted Kenny Pickett,

1151
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: like the people that park your cars, the lunch lady

1152
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 3: has to be geared for making Kenny Pickett a hit,

1153
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: you know, like if you use the first pick in

1154
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 3: the draft, everything in the whole organization has to be

1155
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: towards making him as fruitful as possible.

1156
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Which is what the Bears didn't do with Justin Fields

1157
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: at all at all.

1158
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: Was criminal.

1159
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: At thirty one, the New England Patriots.

1160
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're pretty bad.

1161
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: They are pretty bad.

1162
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 4: They're hanging right off that tree next to Carolina.

1163
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna have to win games like nine to seven.

1164
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he good though reportedly Drake May struggling, not

1165
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 2: that that's a surprise. It looks like it's going to

1166
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: be Jacoby Brissette, which.

1167
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: We've said that all wrong most of the year.

1168
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just don't think Drake May. He's a project.

1169
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think in Minnesota. In New England, you might

1170
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: not see the rook for a while, quite a while.

1171
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it looks like they might be out without

1172
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 2: Christian Barmore for an extended period. He's dealing with blood clots.

1173
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.

1174
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: They just gave him money. They just gave him money.

1175
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: He's a good player, one.

1176
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: Of the best young defensive tackles in the league. Yeah,

1177
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 3: that's a big deal.

1178
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 4: Where in New England did you say the quarterbacks?

1179
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: We might not see the quarterbacks Minnesota? OK, thank you.

1180
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: I could see Darnold and Brissette holding down the four ably.

1181
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: At thirty, and this is down two spots from his

1182
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: previous rankings, which I guess he did at post draft

1183
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 2: the Denver broncosol.

1184
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: I think I'd rather be the GM of the Patriots

1185
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 3: and the Broncos. Yeah really yeah, Well, I like Baybe

1186
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: more than I like Bownicks Nicks for sure, and at

1187
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 3: least they have like cap space and the defense. Denver's

1188
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: got a bad roster.

1189
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: How about this. If bow Knicks happens to win the

1190
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: starting job this year for the Denver Broncos, he'll be

1191
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: verse thirteenth starting quarterback since Peyton Manning retired in twenty fifteen.

1192
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 3: Wow, it's not even ten years.

1193
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: Wow, that's brown Blike, yeah, I don't know it was

1194
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: that bad. They haven't made the playoffs since twenty fifteen.

1195
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 5: And this is absolutely one hundred percent. He was hired

1196
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 5: this way too, but he I mean Sean Payton, that's

1197
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 5: been scorched earth out there.

1198
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, really bad.

1199
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's an organization. It's won a lot

1200
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: of games in our lifetimes and playoff games and ol

1201
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: Way and Manning.

1202
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: They were on the They're one of the premier franchises

1203
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: in the AFC, and they haven't been for almost a

1204
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: decade now.

1205
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: I don't know this, but I think new owners lose

1206
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: a lot of games in this league. I really do.

1207
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: I think it's hard beating an NFL owner.

1208
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: At twenty nine, down two spots, the New York Football Giants.

1209
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: Had a lot of questions starting a quarterback.

1210
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 6: Jones is back, right, yeah, yeah, you know so at

1211
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 6: least he's practicing now.

1212
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was up in the air. He just didn't

1213
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: know where were they this time last year?

1214
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 4: Stable and all.

1215
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: Everybody was high, way too high on them though. They

1216
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: were one of those teams that had the surge out

1217
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: of nowhere because they played a week schedule.

1218
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: Day Ball was coach of the year. That's Rice point yep.

1219
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: And then you have your clear step Bounty.

1220
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Barkley and Jones were back and we're making

1221
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: strides and yeah, be careful.

1222
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 6: Another twenty eighth at twenty eight, top n Sorry, up

1223
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 6: two spots the Tennessee Titans.

1224
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 2: Somebody else went down. Somebody has to go up. I

1225
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: don't know what. The Titans are a good football team.

1226
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 3: So I was talking about this the other day. They

1227
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 3: just signed Quandary Digs to go with Adams.

1228
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: Reuniting that Seattle secondary.

1229
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: That wasn't much. I feel like all their moves draft aside,

1230
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: they're buying twenty twenty four players at thinking they're twenty

1231
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: twenty one players. Yeah, you know what I mean, like

1232
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 3: Ridley's thirty the secondary. I mean, all these guys they

1233
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 3: are investing in were recently good, but are trending the wrong.

1234
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: Not recently recently right, three years ago in the NFL

1235
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: or two years ago in the NFL is like a

1236
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: long time for guys who were light years on the

1237
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: wrong side of thirty as.

1238
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: Opposed to building youth with the young quarterback. You know,

1239
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: I think they're in for a long year.

1240
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 2: It's a little different if the guy's like twenty six

1241
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: or twenty seven and he had come off.

1242
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 3: The first contractor right right.

1243
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 2: At twenty seven down a spot. The Arizona Cardinals.

1244
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they lost some defensive lineman the.

1245
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: Other day, and yeah if you look at some injuries, Yeah.

1246
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: Their D line death chart is hideous. But I think

1247
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 3: their offense could be interesting.

1248
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: Well, it'll be different than what Kingsbury ran.

1249
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I thought it was. I thought that

1250
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: coaching staff way over its gieved last year for sure.

1251
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: Like to your point, Rob, at this point last year

1252
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: Arizona was thirty second by a mile. Yeah, they're gonna

1253
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: get Kleb Williams. What are they gonna do with Kyler.

1254
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you even have to play the season out?

1255
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: You know, and they overachieved.

1256
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: At twenty six up three spots. The Washington Commanders, I.

1257
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 3: Think they're gonna be really bad. Their aw lines awful,

1258
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 3: their pass rush is awful. Step one though, I mean,

1259
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: Rome wasn't built in day new ownership, new quarterback.

1260
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: I do think with Jayden Daniels, he at least steps

1261
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 2: into a situation where he has or Jaden Daniels, I

1262
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: should say he has some weapons around him, which is

1263
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: something that some of these other early quarterback picks haven't had. True.

1264
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 4: What did they do about their ole line?

1265
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 2: Nothing? Very little, But that would be a team if

1266
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: I'm the Steelers, if I'm Omar Khan, I'm calling them like, hey,

1267
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: we've got this excess of offensive lineman here. Uh, what

1268
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: are you doing with Johan Dotson?

1269
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Or McLaurin or yeah, right right right now? Agree

1270
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: that I like McLaurin. I think they need three starters

1271
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: on the other line.

1272
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 5: You know, I will say this, they changed out the

1273
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 5: enemy got fired, correct, Yeah, he's yeah, so there. I mean,

1274
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 5: I think there was some criticism of way too much

1275
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 5: drop back, way too much holding the ball, way too

1276
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 5: much predictability running or in passing the ball.

1277
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: So maybe this which works when he had Patrick Mahomes

1278
00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: that worked great.

1279
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 5: Yes, maybe maybe you scheme up a little bit better

1280
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 5: and Andy Reid by the way to be helping you.

1281
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 5: But yeah, along you know pretty good mine. Yeah, but

1282
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: maybe they're maybe they'll scheme up, so Daniel system just

1283
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 5: get clobber. We've run into a lot of bad football

1284
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 5: teams here. Yeah, not a bad tea, yeah.

1285
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,439
Speaker 3: But one. I mean to your point, though, Houston would

1286
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: have been here last year, right, that's right, someone's gonna

1287
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 3: be better when we think.

1288
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: Yep at twenty five down two spots the Raiders.

1289
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 3: I agree with that as well. I think their quarterback

1290
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: situation is problematic, right side of the old lines problematic.

1291
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: I know that he's easy to root for, but I

1292
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: worry about the head coach. I mean, he's been a

1293
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: coach at any level for like three years and gets

1294
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: the job halfway through the season. He's done some weird stuff.

1295
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 3: Since I know that the team loves him, that doesn't

1296
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: mean he's good as his job.

1297
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't. I don't love Zamir White as

1298
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: your feature back either. No, and I don't know that

1299
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: they have another answer there back seven. The defense needs

1300
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: a lot of work. Yeah, I mean they were a

1301
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: team that wants to run the football and Jamir White

1302
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 2: should lead. You got a lot of touches at twenty

1303
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,479
Speaker 2: four up a spot and I don't know what they've

1304
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: done to move up a spot. But that's the New

1305
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 2: Orleans Saints.

1306
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: They're very boring. But I think they're better than that.

1307
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: I think a coordinator change their helps. I think they're

1308
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 3: like the perennial seven win team, you know. I think

1309
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: they're good enough to do that year after year after

1310
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: year and maybe even compete in a bad division. But

1311
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: I don't know who I would. I wouldn't rank them

1312
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: high in power ranks right now. You know, their own

1313
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: lines really problematic.

1314
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 2: Really problematic. I think when we did the O line

1315
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: rankings the other day, they were like thirty one.

1316
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they should be. I mean, honestly, if

1317
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: you could send them Dan Moore and put Folaga at

1318
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: right tackle, or give them a guard to or I mean,

1319
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 3: you know, get Chris Lave from him. But I mean

1320
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: they should be looking to add o lineman much like Washington.

1321
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: At twenty three up a spot the Seattle Seahawks. I

1322
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: don't know how you move them up right now with

1323
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 2: Gino Smith not practicing.

1324
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, their line's pretty bad, but I'd probably take Geno

1325
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: over Car. I mean yeah, especially with the weapons around him.

1326
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: If he's practicing. But he's not practicing right now.

1327
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 3: That's that's about where they should be.

1328
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, at twenty two, down two spots. The Atlanta Falcons.

1329
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, I'm cool with that. I'm surprised Tampa's number

1330
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: one in that division. I probably would go Atlanta. So

1331
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: in the Football Outsiders now FTN Almanac, they project the

1332
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: Falcons DVOA to be the worst defense in the league.

1333
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: I see it.

1334
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: I can skid it. I mean, but they were a

1335
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 3: little better than that last year. They finally took a

1336
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: step forward.

1337
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: But TJ.

1338
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: Watt has more sacks than them from time to time

1339
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: for a year. Yeah, Like they haven't rushed the passer

1340
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: for a decade.

1341
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: And that was like before grade each year towards Acs.

1342
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

1343
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: They're putting a lot of stock in Kirk Cousins there,

1344
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 4: don't you think. Isn't that why they're.

1345
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 3: I think the offense could be really good. I mean,

1346
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 3: it's one of the lines in the league. Poor Arthur

1347
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: Smith had some horrendous quarterback situation last year. Right, so

1348
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 3: even Pennix could be better.

1349
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 4: They've got a great running back, yep. You know, they

1350
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: got weapons, yep, you.

1351
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: Know what, and they I would shoot out after shootout.

1352
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 4: Well we are.

1353
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 5: We talk about teams moving up, that they're not sexy

1354
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 5: teams to move up. But you know, if Seattle moved

1355
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 5: up and New Orleans moved up, I don't think I'd

1356
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 5: be totally shocked.

1357
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: No, they'll hang around.

1358
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if those teams won nine, I wouldn't

1359
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 5: be flabbergasted.

1360
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: Get a bounce or two or you know, right right.

1361
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, there seems to be a cutoff to me for

1362
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 5: those three teams in the first six or.

1363
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 4: Seven teams.

1364
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: They're better than yeah, Carolina.

1365
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: So guys looking here. So the Steelers, of course, open

1366
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: with the Falcons, who are in twenty second on this list.

1367
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: Then they get the Broncos who are below this. Then

1368
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: you have the Chargers them. I think the Chargers should

1369
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: have already been mentioned, but they're not.

1370
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1371
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: Then you get the Colts, the Cowboys, and then you

1372
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 2: play the Raiders, who are also down lowing this list.

1373
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: So three of your first five games are against teams

1374
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: that we've already talked about.

1375
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got better take advantage of it. Yeah.

1376
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Uh. At twenty one, well, there's the Colts.

1377
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 3: Okay, up a spot. I'm fine with that as well.

1378
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: I think they're real solid on both lines or both

1379
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: sides of the ball. They don't have a lot of

1380
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: star power, I mean, like superstar type guys, and Richardson's

1381
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: a question mark. Do you know to be kind? Ye,

1382
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 3: who knows. He's promising, but he's a question.

1383
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: So there's four of your first five opponents, or four

1384
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 2: of your first six, I should say. At twenty down

1385
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: a spot is Tampa Bay. Yeah, they might even have

1386
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: them a little lower to that's the number one team

1387
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: in the in the NFC.

1388
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 3: Just compare to the south of the FC North.

1389
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1390
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean we've mentioned four of one and zero.

1391
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 2: There's there are there teams are on the bottom.

1392
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 3: Twelve Yeah, all of them all on the battle Wow.

1393
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay. At nineteen down a spot is Minnesota. I

1394
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: still can't believe we haven't gotten to the Chargers yet.

1395
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: I think Minnesota's defense is held together by a really

1396
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 3: good coach and their quarterbacks not gonna be good this year.

1397
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 3: Problem mat Yeah, yeah, I mean they won't. They probably

1398
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 3: will not have a quarterback advantage many weeks.

1399
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good coach.

1400
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 3: He is. I think he's a really good coach. Yeah.

1401
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: I think O'Connell's a really good coach. I think Flora

1402
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 3: is a real good coach. On defense at eighteen down,

1403
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: two spots is Chicago, okay, I mean their rosters much improved.

1404
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 3: I don't love their like defensive tackle situation. I could

1405
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 3: see them getting run on and run on, and I

1406
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: think there's people are a little too high on their

1407
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 3: row line and Caleb Williams. I mean again, Field is

1408
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 3: probably looking at it like I wish I would have

1409
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 3: fallen into that situation, But quarterbacks.

1410
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: Would they be a better team right now had they stuck?

1411
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 2: And I'm not to contract a side. If Justin Fields

1412
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: is their quarterback right now, I don't know.

1413
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: I think that's a great question. I mean, do you

1414
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: think they'd win more games with Williams or Fields?

1415
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: I think Fields the hard to play again, much more experienced.

1416
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 2: They're going to struggle now through Caleb Williams rookie issues. Well,

1417
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: Field's already has all those behind him.

1418
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's this Stroud thing.

1419
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 5: But Chicago and who's the team Indianapolis? Because of the

1420
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 5: young quarterbacks, they'd be more fun teams to move. I

1421
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 5: just talking about Yeah New Orleans with car if they

1422
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 5: were nine and eight, it.

1423
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 3: Would be interesting, right yeah, yeah, yeah, one of them

1424
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 3: is gonna hit.

1425
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 2: How about this one arback? It's seventeen down three spots.

1426
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: The Jacksonville Jaguars.

1427
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 3: Wow, I think they're about as average as you get.

1428
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 2: I still can't believe we have named the Chargers on

1429
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: here though, no I know Chargers.

1430
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 3: I agree with you there, I think several I think

1431
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: the culture better than the Chargers.

1432
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. At sixteen down a spot, we finally get

1433
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 2: to the Los Angeles Chargers.

1434
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: And Dad what I talk about it all the time.

1435
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, even if Harbaugh is Vince Lombardi, I mean

1436
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: they still don't have any weapons. Their defensive line is

1437
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: really bad up the middle. Like, I still think there

1438
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 3: are year away and maybe a year away from being

1439
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 3: a year away. I just think everybody looks it's his

1440
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 3: culture change.

1441
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 2: Like the first thing that they talk about here is

1442
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 2: seeing a sixty year old Jim Harbaugh do reverse sled polls.

1443
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: Three hundred pounds early in the camp got me more

1444
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: jacked up, Like he's not playing.

1445
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he gets a lot out of his teams

1446
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 3: and he builds those lines, but doesn't happen overnight necessarily.

1447
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 3: I know the Niners made a big change.

1448
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 2: Joey Bosa just got hurt again, big shock.

1449
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of the guys they count on, including Herbert,

1450
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: have injury concerns.

1451
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 2: Right, It just I mean, it just seems to happen

1452
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:33,479
Speaker 2: every year with that team.

1453
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the receiving corps.

1454
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 3: It's the worst league.

1455
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: It's awful.

1456
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, awful.

1457
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: The only one that might be worse would be would

1458
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: be uh New England.

1459
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And then I mean they're tight ends, they're

1460
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 3: running backs. They have the worst skill in the league.

1461
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 4: You're looking at Gus Edwards or JK. Dobbins.

1462
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: JK Dobbins. They signed to like leak minimum because they're

1463
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: not counting him at all.

1464
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 4: Evidently he's really well thought up by his teammates. JK.

1465
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 3: Down Oh, I think it was ritten.

1466
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, everyone's I mean back in Baltimore and all that.

1467
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 4: I mean, for his sake, I hope he has a

1468
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 4: healthy year once.

1469
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: Loved him coming out of the draft, but that's been

1470
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: a long time ago.

1471
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I mean this is the contract indicates they

1472
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 3: are not counting on him for a lot.

1473
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: No. At fifteen up six spots, the New York Jets.

1474
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: Could be I worry a little bit about their defense

1475
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: because it's been so good and now it's just a

1476
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: little thinner, it's just little older. It's hard to be

1477
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 3: a top five defense three years in a row, you know.

1478
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 3: I mean, just history shows you'll probably sneak to the

1479
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 3: being the tenth best defense instead of the second, you

1480
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But the offense does look better.

1481
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's hilarious. It couldn't look worse.

1482
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 5: New York had hard knocks last year, which was entertaining.

1483
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: I still go back to the magician. I think that, Yeah,

1484
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 5: that was good. But I mean riders wouldn't to go

1485
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 5: see the pyramids or something during the Tazer.

1486
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, what an odd bird he is.

1487
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: At fourteen up three spots the Los Angeles Rams. We

1488
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: still haven't gotten any if right.

1489
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 4: Top fourteen good good call.

1490
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: Dale Rams are really banged up, though we talked about

1491
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 3: that earlier.

1492
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're off at three of their five starting five

1493
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: offensive linemen aren't going to practice here for the next

1494
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: few weeks. Pook and the coup I hurt, although Cooper

1495
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 2: Cupp is supposedly looking good.

1496
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 3: I've heard he looks back to being being himself. Still

1497
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: a weird defense too without Donald. Yeah.

1498
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: At thirteen, we get our first AFC North team, that

1499
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: being the Pittsburgh Steelers.

1500
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not gonna fight him on that. I think

1501
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 3: we'd have him right there with the Browns or maybe ahead,

1502
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 3: but I mean being thirteenth, it's cool with me.

1503
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirteen's pretty good.

1504
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1505
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: They take fourteen teams of the playoffs the last time

1506
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 2: I checked.

1507
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, good point, although I bet there's a lot of

1508
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: AFC that still be said.

1509
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 4: To the entire NFC South spoken for.

1510
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 3: At twelve, the Cleveland Browns, Okay, I we definitely have

1511
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: them the same tier. He was the one behind the

1512
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 3: Seilers we decided about. That was the Jets, Okay, I

1513
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: of the Jets not here two. At eleven the Miami Dolphins.

1514
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: I don't know problem with that either. I mean, I

1515
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 3: think they're really exciting. I think that they don't withstand

1516
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: the rigors of the season. Well. At all, they have

1517
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: a hard time playing the weather, and all his innovations,

1518
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 3: which are really really impressive, start to get stolen and

1519
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: figure out as the season goes on. Too. And frankly,

1520
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 3: I think their quarterbacks good not great. Yeah.

1521
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: At ten, the Dallas Cowboys, I worry they're going the

1522
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: wrong direction.

1523
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 3: I mean their offseason was really rough. Yeah, and they

1524
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 3: don't have any kind of running game at the moment. Yeah.

1525
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: Sam William's done for the year.

1526
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an important he would start for most teams. Yeah.

1527
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: Now they're counting on Maze Smith to he had a bad.

1528
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 3: Rookie year two. Yeah. Yeah, I might pick them not

1529
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 3: to go to the playoffs this year. Really, it's a

1530
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 3: lot that Well, if they're in the AFC, I would,

1531
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 3: but it's hard to come up with seven NFC teams.

1532
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 2: At nine, the Cincinnati Bengals.

1533
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 3: I would have them one on the division. I think

1534
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 3: you think I would too. Yeah. Yeah, I think they've

1535
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 3: you know, I don't see a lot of holes.

1536
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: No.

1537
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 3: No.

1538
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,520
Speaker 2: At eight, the Green Bay Packers.

1539
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 3: Ahead of the Bengals. I also think he's a good coach.

1540
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 3: I used to doubt that when he started, and I

1541
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 3: thought he inherited Rogers I think their defensive coordinator change

1542
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 3: could really pay off for the defense that's dripping with

1543
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 3: first round picks. And I'm a love believer.

1544
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 4: So there you go.

1545
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 5: Right, there's your two things, A new defensive coordinator and

1546
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 5: you're all in on Jordan Love.

1547
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 4: They're all in on Jordan Love.

1548
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's they could beat the lines.

1549
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: They love love love, love them some love.

1550
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 2: It's seven. The Buffalo Bills.

1551
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 3: Josh Allen carries an awful lot of weight he better carry,

1552
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 3: but he's gonna have every Superman. Yeah, to no end,

1553
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: I do think they'll run the ball better. I think

1554
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 3: they finally realized a better identity for the city that

1555
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 3: they live in. But some of those defensive changes are

1556
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: going to be hard to overcome. Yeah.

1557
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean they need a healthy Matt Mulano for him

1558
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,879
Speaker 2: to stay healthy, and even at that, a lot.

1559
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: Of change in the second area. Yeah, yeah, I'd probably

1560
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 3: have them lower at six.

1561
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: The Houston Texans.

1562
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a lot of faith.

1563
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 3: It's a lot of faith. They need to run the

1564
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 3: ball better.

1565
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 5: And you didn't like, you know, they got digs and

1566
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 5: they got Daniel Hunter, and you didn't love their offseason

1567
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 5: just because they had.

1568
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 3: So many resources, you know, like I would have done

1569
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 3: for a lot of old guys, some old guys, and

1570
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 3: they traded out around one before they even knew what

1571
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: was going to be there.

1572
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 4: And you know, do they trade for old guys or

1573
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: veteran leaders.

1574
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: Diggs is not a veteran.

1575
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,680
Speaker 2: No, that could blow up in their face in a

1576
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 2: in a very bad way.

1577
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think they're a good team, but it's so

1578
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 3: many times in history we've seen the team go from

1579
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 3: they called the plex last principle. If you go from

1580
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 3: a bottom five team to the tenth best team or

1581
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 3: eighth best team, you take five steps forward. Eight out

1582
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: of ten times you take one step back. You know,

1583
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 3: like you probably outkicked your coverage a little. And now

1584
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 3: you're playing a first place schedule where everyone knows who

1585
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 3: you are. You don't sneak up on anybody.

1586
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: What helps them, though, is that division they probably would

1587
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 2: not great.

1588
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 5: Right, So I agree with all that, except where does

1589
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 5: the PLEXI class come in?

1590
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 3: You hit the glass and you bounce back, bounce Oh okay, yeah, okay,

1591
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 3: all right, I didn't come up with it, but okay

1592
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: kind of makes me. You hit it. You took such

1593
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: a step forward, you bounce back.

1594
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 5: For all those reasons, I do believe it'll be an

1595
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 5: interesting They're an interesting team to keep an eye on.

1596
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 3: No question. They might have a coach and a quarterback

1597
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 3: and you know, youth.

1598
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:48,839
Speaker 2: At four as Detroit.

1599
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there are additions on defense. To me, I

1600
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: think you're gonna pay off huge reader three corners. They

1601
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 3: can play that aggressive style they want of those corners. Like,

1602
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 3: with all respect to camp Sutton, they used to leave

1603
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 3: him on islands and there's other corners on islands. They

1604
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 3: want to be a blitz heavy team. That's I mean

1605
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 3: that they didn't have the corners to do it. Gread

1606
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 3: O line grade o' line o coordinator coming back?

1607
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 4: Did they? Were they the number one line and when Yeah?

1608
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah that offensive line yeah yeah. Not surprised at three

1609
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: is Baltimore?

1610
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's too high. I do too.

1611
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 3: I just they get the benefit of doubt. But a

1612
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: lot of changes rewind half an hour we just talked

1613
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 3: about them.

1614
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 2: Like, I think, since he should be around five or six,

1615
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: I think Baltimore should be closer to Cleveland and Pittsburgh

1616
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 2: or Cleveland and yeah, Cleveland and Pittsburgh than they are

1617
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: the top.

1618
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 3: Of this I do believe that Baltimore was the best

1619
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: regular season team in the league last year, but the

1620
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 3: lots changed.

1621
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: It's not Yeah, it's not been the first time they've

1622
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 2: done that. And then they can't win the big one

1623
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: and they lost a lot. Yeah, yeah, I don't know

1624
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: about that offensive line. And just keep coming back to that.

1625
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 3: Lamar is awesome, but he gonna be the MVP again. Yeah,

1626
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like he almost says nowhere

1627
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: to go but down. I mean, like the chances of

1628
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: being the best player in the league next year as well.

1629
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: Keep hearing about a lot of interceptions in their camp.

1630
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 2: Oh really again, the thing I read the other day

1631
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: is though the Ravens have twenty two interceptions in training camp, Well,

1632
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 2: that's against your quarterbacks. Yeah, and I'll bet some of

1633
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: them were even Lamar.

1634
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 3: So oh, I'm sure.

1635
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 2: At number two is San Francisco and I'm sure the

1636
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: Chiefs are one, and the Chiefs are one, so that's

1637
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 2: one two.

1638
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: The Chiefs weren't a great regular season team last year. Nope,

1639
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: I mean it really matter, right if people talk about

1640
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 3: them like they're the Golden State Warriors and the regular

1641
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 3: season like, we'll just do what we have to do

1642
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 3: and then we'll step it up. I don't know if

1643
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 3: that league works that way, but they're pretty darn good

1644
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:56,520
Speaker 3: that defenses.

1645
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 2: Ye, So that is the Steelers thirteenth on that list.

1646
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,799
Speaker 2: They're the eighth AFC team listed.

1647
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 4: Interesting.

1648
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't mean to bring this up to get everybody

1649
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 3: wound up. Let's say Ayuk leaves the Niners. I don't

1650
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 3: care where he goes. Are they still second? Let's say

1651
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 3: trading for draft picks. Well, they're not going for draft picks.

1652
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 4: They traded him for Cooper.

1653
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 3: I think no matter what, if they trade him, they

1654
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 3: would go backwards. I don't know if that been make

1655
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 3: him go to three or four or five or six.

1656
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 3: But with him not on the team, they can't be

1657
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 3: better in my opinion. And more importantly to me is

1658
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 3: what happens with Trent Williams, And I bet that gets done. Yeah, yeah,

1659
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 3: but they're not gonna trade him for Penny.

1660
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, like, no, they're not going to do that.

1661
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 2: But does he decide you know what?

1662
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 3: I don't, I've had enough.

1663
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 5: No.

1664
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 3: I bet they get another year out of him in

1665
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: a big dollar and he's awesome and who knows, but

1666
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 3: they're a little bit fragile, bill too, and they all

1667
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 3: those expensive guys. Everybody in the team wants more money, everybody.

1668
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they gotta live in they gotta live in San Francisco. Yeah,

1669
01:14:59,360 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: it's not cheap.

1670
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: And then they're gonna pay party, you know right.

1671
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what's looming down the road for them.

1672
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: So again, by this standard, the Steelers would miss the playoffs.

1673
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 3: I guess it would. They would have been fourth in

1674
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 3: the division.

1675
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 2: Fourth in the division, and eighth in the overall standings.

1676
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 3: Because Miami's ahead of them too.

1677
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: Miami's ahead of them, Cleveland's ahead of them. I just don't.

1678
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: I don't see Cleveland being ahead of them. I just don't.

1679
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't see it.

1680
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,400
Speaker 3: I can paint the picture, but I trust one organization

1681
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 3: a lot more than the other. Yeah, winning games.

1682
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 2: It's just very it's it's a very fragile build in Cleveland.

1683
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 2: They don't have any depth. I mean, the counting on

1684
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: a quarterback who hasn't played well in four seasons.

1685
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 3: The nightmare is if the whole city and the whole

1686
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: locker room says Jameis Winston is our best quarterback, and

1687
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: I don't think that's insane, Like if it's obvious that

1688
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 3: he's their best quarterback. They're gonna implode because because.

1689
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: They still can't play them. That's the same that's the

1690
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 2: reason why they get rid of Flacco, right. They couldn't

1691
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 2: bring Flacco back because everybody's saying, well, he's better than Jamis.

1692
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joel Batonio and Miles Garrett might be like, I'd

1693
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: rather play with Flacco. Yeah, I guess that, right.

1694
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 5: I guess The other thing we have to consider with

1695
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 5: the Bengals, I mean, are the Steelers do the Steelers

1696
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 5: have ranked the number one hardest schedule in the league.

1697
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 3: Depends what metrics you use.

1698
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 5: It again, it's way up there. Yeah, so where Cincinnati

1699
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 5: where Cleveland that I.

1700
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: Mean Cleveland, Cleveland and Baltimore are very close to where

1701
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 2: the Steelers are at. Where Cincinnati's down.

1702
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: A little bit, right that.

1703
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 5: I think that that helps the Bengals obviously, you know,

1704
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 5: just a little bit. I mean, they could just be

1705
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 5: that fine of a difference. The schedule could be what

1706
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 5: makes a difference as far as who's going to the playoffs,

1707
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 5: who doesn't go to the playoffs.

1708
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 3: One thing that's interesting to really nerd out is when

1709
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,839
Speaker 3: you knew the opponents but you didn't know when you're playing.

1710
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 3: The Steelers were thirty second and the Bengals were like

1711
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,839
Speaker 3: twentieth in terms of schedule difficulty. But once the schedule

1712
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 3: can came out, the Bengals have a lot of rest disadvantages,

1713
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 3: like they're playing a team of seven days rest when

1714
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: they have six, or you know, they're often behind the

1715
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 3: eight ball in terms of rest. First, their opponent where

1716
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: the Ravens set the whole set the NFL record for

1717
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 3: having the best rest advantage in the whole league, which

1718
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 3: is crazy, Like they have fifteen more days rest than

1719
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 3: their opponent this year this upcoming year. Wow, which is

1720
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: a huge deal. I mean, you play a team with

1721
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 3: you know, you're coming off of bye and they're coming

1722
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 3: off a Thursday game or whatever, you know what I mean,

1723
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 3: it's a big deal.

1724
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But that was Eric at Holmes Rankings Power

1725
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: Rankings on NFL dot Com. Interesting to talk about anyways,

1726
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: even though nobody's played a game yet, right.

1727
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 5: You know, it is so true they should do a revision,

1728
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 5: a revised strength to schedule. What did that strength to

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Speaker 5: schedule look like after the season was over, They actually

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Speaker 5: played the games.

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Speaker 3: Well the way that I like strength to schedule and

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Speaker 3: what I was using was based off win totals that

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Speaker 3: you're projected in Vegas. What are you talking about tomorrow? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Yea, guys, that's going to do it for the show today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, absolutely, that's good stuff. We'll be back again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: He is Rob King. That's Matt Williamson h for our

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Speaker 2: Justin Miller Beack in Pittsburgh keeping us on the air.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale, Lelly. We thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: this edition of the Drive here live from Steelers training

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Speaker 2: camp on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steelers Nation Radio.