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Speaker 1: The lapd is deeply involved with this world. They all

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Speaker 1: they decided to make an example of me.

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Speaker 2: Heidi Flies.

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Speaker 3: Previously on Heidi World, Heidi Flies has been dragged through

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Speaker 3: but emerged, as always with a shrug, a smile, and

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Speaker 3: a good sense of humor about the whole thing. Welcome

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Speaker 3: to Heidi World, Chapter nine. Reality Television, How Heidi invented

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Speaker 3: Real Colity star Fame and her cousin Mike Klis invented

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Speaker 3: the Bachelor late nineties, early two thousand's Welcome back to

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Speaker 3: Heidi World. I'm your host Molly Lambert and the year

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Speaker 3: is now nineteen ninety six. Heidiflice is still out on

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Speaker 3: bail after getting convicted in both of her trials for

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Speaker 3: pandering and lying to the irs, but she's traded in

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Speaker 3: the escort game for the streetwear game, and she's running

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Speaker 3: her new empire from the Hidiwear Store on the Third

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Speaker 3: Street Promenade, an open air mall in Santa Monica. At

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Speaker 3: the Hidiwear Store, they sell baby teas, long sleep shirts, bathrobes,

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Speaker 3: and the signature heidiwear boxers with a condom pocket, a

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Speaker 3: nod to the safe sex movement of the AIDS activism era. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 3: in the OJ Simpson trial, OJ says he kicked in

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Speaker 3: a door or at his ex wife, Nicole Simpson Brown's

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Speaker 3: was upset that she was associating with drug users and

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Speaker 3: sex workers. He says Nichole's friends included a Heidi Flies

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Speaker 3: what he thought of his low lifes around their kids.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about high flies and hookahs and drug people.

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Speaker 2: Some people who are on drugs are still on drugs, and.

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Speaker 4: Who were hookahs. We're hanging around the house at that time.

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Speaker 3: O J. Simpson, Football Star, February nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 5: I need to come up for air. Charlie Sheen.

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Speaker 3: After five months of marriage, Charlie Sheen gets divorced from

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Speaker 3: Donna Peel. Michael Gross, the dad from Family Ties, plays

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Speaker 3: produced by Dick Clark called The Good Doctor. The Paul

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Speaker 3: go ahead and assume is meant to be Paul Flie's

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Speaker 3: best friend, George DiCaprio. On May thirtieth, there's finally some

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Speaker 3: good news for Heidi. A state appeals court panel overturns

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Speaker 3: the pandering conviction on the grounds of germsconduct and vote

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Speaker 3: trading and orders a new trial. Thirty year old Heidi

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Speaker 3: has started attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings. She has elated that

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Speaker 2: You don't know what this means to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm relieved that the momentum atly seems to be going forward.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it will continue that way.

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Speaker 6: Jerry.

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Speaker 3: For woman Shila Matrowski is also thrilled. She now believes

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Speaker 3: that Heidi Fli's was set up for entrapment by the

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Speaker 3: cops and should never have been tried. Matrowski also now

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Speaker 3: sees the sexism in Heide's treatment and how confused most

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Speaker 3: of the jurors, including herself, actually were about the case

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Speaker 7: I can't tell you how delighted I am by this

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Speaker 7: justice was not served in the case. Three years in

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Speaker 7: prison for what she did. Give me a break. That's outrageous,

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Speaker 3: Honest with you.

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Speaker 7: A few of the male jurors decided she was guilty

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Speaker 7: before we even began deliberating, and others were simply confused

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Speaker 3: Sheila Matrowski, Heidi's lawyer, Anthony Brookler, wants authorities to drop

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Speaker 8: we're talking about consensual sex. Anthony Brooklyer, Heidie Flie's defense attorney.

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Speaker 3: District Attorney Gil Garcetti, also wants the whole thing to

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Speaker 3: the media circus around the Heidi trial makes Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine? Mike Brambles, forty seven, allegedly robbed a

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Speaker 3: Detective Mike Rambles was a teenage surfer who graduated from

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Speaker 3: Detective Rambles was accused of coaching a witness as part

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Speaker 4: I didn't set out to make a crusading film for Heidi,

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Speaker 4: but all of us who worked in the film really

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Speaker 3: In July, a documentary made by director Nick Broomfield comes

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Speaker 3: out called Heidi Flices Hollywood Madam. Nick Broomfield is a

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Speaker 3: In other words, he is also Heidi's type of guy.

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Speaker 3: Broomfield is very sympathetic to her cause and had made

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Speaker 4: The people in Heidi's world didn't do anything particularly wrong.

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Speaker 4: infinitely more sinister was the hypocrisy of the LAPD, the

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Speaker 4: Many police departments do these things, but the LAPD took

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Speaker 3: Nick Broomfield's Heidifly's documentary is being released directly to video

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Speaker 3: movie viewers hooked on nonfiction narratives. The Broomfield Heidi doc

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Speaker 4: If the wider implications of this case had been fought

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Speaker 4: head on, Heidi probably wouldn't have the problem she's got now.

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Speaker 4: She is the only instance of a madam or pimp

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Speaker 4: being prosecuted federally. Why Ivan gets away with things because

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Speaker 4: he's always had a madam who fronts for him. And

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Speaker 4: Madame Alex was an old pro who did what professional

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Speaker 4: because the DA has been so unsuccessful in getting any

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Speaker 4: high profile convictions, Heidie's case has taken on a significance

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Speaker 3: Nonfiction narrative books are also selling big, like Nancy Griffin

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Speaker 3: and Kim Master's book Hit and Run, How John Peters

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Speaker 3: and Peter Guber took Sony for a Ride in Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: People are increasingly interested in real stories told as entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Hid and Run is filled with behind the scenes gossip

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Speaker 3: TriStar that ended up costing them billions. Griffin and Masters

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Speaker 3: deflate the myth of the Hollywood power player to show

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Speaker 3: these people for what they are, Charlatan's hustlers who like Heidi,

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Speaker 3: understand how to work a room and more specifically, how

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Speaker 3: to charm people out of their money. Peter Gouber and

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Speaker 3: John Peters traded off the success of their biggest hits

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Speaker 3: Peter Gouber and John Peters are men of the seventies

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Speaker 3: when the major studio model will be upended yet again

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Speaker 3: by the success of countercultural independent films like Richard Linklater's

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Speaker 3: Slacker and Quentin Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs. By the time Miramax

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Speaker 3: baroque Eighties are finally coming to an end in Hollywood

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Speaker 3: as the cool grunge nineties arrive. The most influential film

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Speaker 3: the Disney Corporation since Pretty Woman. Made for eight and

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Speaker 3: Hollywood is back and the writing is on the wall

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Speaker 3: for Hollywood's aging eighties. Men Peter Gouber and John Peters

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Speaker 3: have a classic good cop bad cop dynamic on sets.

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Speaker 7: John Peters at least would scream and yell and you

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Speaker 7: knew what he was thinking.

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Speaker 2: Goober, you never knew what was going on with him.

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Speaker 3: Share actress singer Goddess Mad Max director George Miller calls

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Speaker 3: John Peters quote genuinely thought disordered, and the book described

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Speaker 3: joint therapy sessions with Goober and Peters were the formerly

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Speaker 3: platonic couples is not uncommon in Hollywood, and I have

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Speaker 3: platonic couples therapy. Stanley Kubrick and Kirk Douglas were ordered

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Speaker 3: to couple's therapy by the studio during the making of Spartacus,

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Speaker 3: where the psychotherapist gave Kubrick a book to read called

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Speaker 3: trom Novelle Dream Novel, which he would adapt decades later

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Speaker 3: into Eyes Wide Shut. Heidiflics appears briefly and Hit and Run,

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six, Heidi fails a drug test. She is

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Speaker 3: Street promenade after a drug test indicates she's been using meth,

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Speaker 3: which violates her bail terms. A judge orders her back

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Speaker 3: to a treatment center immediately. In October, the other most

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Speaker 3: outside the hospital is none other than doctor Paul Flice. Well,

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Speaker 3: he didn't deliver the baby himself. Doctor Paul Fly says

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Speaker 3: Yes, it should be funny that Nancy Reagan, the throat Goat,

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Speaker 3: and having sex with a million different women all the

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00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: time is cool and idealizable, even if it's clear that

430
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: it's probably killing him and at the very least puts

431
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: his sexual partners in extreme harm's way. We live in

432
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: a deeply misogynist world, and part of that is the

433
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: refusal to acknowledge that masculinity is also a prison November

434
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: of nineteen ninety eight, Heidi has been in federal prison

435
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: in Dublin, California for twenty one months. She is released

436
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: from prison and moved to a halfway house after three days.

437
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 3: She says she actually hates the halfway house so much

438
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: she'd rather go back to prison, And while in prison

439
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: she has a lot of time to think, she finds

440
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 3: herself getting oddly sentimental.

441
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: The strange part about everything is when I was in prison.

442
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: I thought back on my life and all the people

443
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: I had met. I really missed Madame Alex. I knew

444
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: she would have done what she could to make my

445
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: prison sentence easier, even though she helped put me there.

446
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: I love and miss her.

447
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety nine, the cops bust another La Madam,

448
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: a forty one year old woman named Jody Diane Baby

449
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: Doll Gibson, also known as Sasha of the Valley. Gibson

450
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: is originally from Westchester County, New York, and comes from

451
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: an East Coast entertainment family of Russian Jews. Her father

452
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: was a radio announcer for CBS in the nineteen forties,

453
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: and her where there was a talent manager who takes

454
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: full credit for being the first talent scout to discover

455
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: a young actor in New York fresh off the bus

456
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: from Kentucky named William Mappether, who would later become known

457
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: as Tom Cruise. See I brought it back to top gun.

458
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: Gibson's aunt was a jazz singer whose stage name was

459
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: Georgia Gibbs born Frieda Lipschitz, who achieved minor success with

460
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: whitewash covers of black artists' songs, most notably a cover

461
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: of Etta James the Wallflower retitled Dance with Me Henry.

462
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: Baby Doll says her aunt inspired her to pursue singing,

463
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: so Baby Doll Gibson moved from Manhattan to LA to

464
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: pursue modeling and music. She was occasionally featured on the

465
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: USA Network show Up All Night. Singing wasn't panning out,

466
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: so in nineteen ninety eight she started a modeling agency

467
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: that turned into an escort business. She eventually used her

468
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: money from Madam ing to finance a vanity pop star career.

469
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 3: I found a video on YouTube of Baby Doll in

470
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two giving a tour of with Robert Evans

471
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: by her side, where she shows off the new billboard

472
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: on Sansa Boulevard for her freestyle song which Will Flop.

473
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: While she was also known for running the Valley with

474
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: Heidi locked up, baby Doll was able to start running

475
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: escorts to the West Side. Gibson was also more under

476
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 3: the radar than Heidi. She ran her business out of

477
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: a hotel in the valley through a website called California

478
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: dream In that showcased photos of twenty to thirty models

479
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: and build itself as a modeling agency. Sasha's roster included

480
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: some adult film performers as well as some mainstream actresses.

481
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: Some of Sasha's girls were former Heidi girls who made

482
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: the jump to Sasha when Heidi went down. One of

483
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: Baby Doll Gibson's girls also rats on her tore the

484
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: cops who conduct a sting out of a West La

485
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: hotel to show that they are also coming for Heidi's successors.

486
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: Sasha in the Valley, she used to leave threatening messages

487
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: on the answering machine or find out what hotel we

488
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: were using in call. She once threatened to have the

489
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: irs come after.

490
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: Me in a twist that should not be too shocking.

491
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: At this point, Baby Doll Gibson aka Madam Sasha aka

492
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: Sasha of the Valley says she was having an affair

493
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 3: with one of the cops investigating her escort business, who

494
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: in turn protected her from the cops. When she ended

495
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: the relationship with the cop, she lost the cops protection.

496
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: Baby Doll just passed away recently, and Susan Orlean wrote

497
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: a short oh bit of her for The New Yorker.

498
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: Baby Doll herself, Rotegrate tell All called Secrets of a

499
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: Hollywood super Madam. September twenty second, nineteen ninety nine, Heidi

500
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 3: Flice is released from federal prison after serving her sentence

501
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 3: of three years. She is now thirty three years old.

502
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: She files for protection from bankruptcy. She owes legal fees

503
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: to affirm back rent for the Heidi World store in

504
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: Santa Monica and money for unsold Heidiwere inventory. But if

505
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: you were concerned and Heidi wouldn't immediately think of a

506
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: plan to drum up some money, you haven't been listening

507
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: to this show. At the end of nineteen ninety nine,

508
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: just in time for y two K, Heidi announces that

509
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: she is launching a website with Internet Entertainment Group, who

510
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: put out the Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee sextape. Heidi

511
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: plans to launch the site with an advice column media

512
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: featuring some brand new Heidi Girls, an emerged section of

513
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: Heidiwear lingerie Jody Baby Doll Gibson's case goes to trial,

514
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: once again targeting the Madam but ignoring the Johns. Gibson's

515
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: Black Book is a Rolodex card index of four hundred

516
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: names of alleged customers. Some of these customers are major

517
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: financial supporters of gil Garcetti, who's the DA on the case.

518
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: The lead investigator on the Baby Doll case, Detective Roz Curtinian,

519
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: also draws criticism for allegedly having had sex with Gibson's

520
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: girls multiple times during his ten month long undercover investigator.

521
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: Critinian cops to being naked around prostitutes, but denies having

522
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: had sex with them. Gibson calls out the police for

523
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: their hypocrisy. She suggests that prostitution should be legalized in

524
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, with a one percent tax going to pay

525
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: for housing for the homeless. In a court in Van Nuys,

526
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: Baby Doll is sentenced to three years in prison for

527
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: her high priced call girl ring. Heidi sues E Entertainment

528
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 3: Television for their Hollywood True Story episode about her, which

529
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 3: she said made her look like a police informant aka snitch,

530
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 3: therefore putting her life in danger. While she was in jail.

531
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: She also ends up launching her site at heidiwear dot net,

532
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: selling ceramic coffee cups she made in jail. The auction

533
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: prices for the cup start at fifteen hundred dollars, and

534
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: there's also a message board. Actor Robert Downey Junior is

535
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: making art in prison too, doing paintings while serving a

536
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 3: three year sentence in Corcoran for violating his drug probation. Well,

537
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: Heidi is in prison. The sex game is changing yet again.

538
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 3: The phone is no longer the cutting edge in sexual arrangement.

539
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: Now there's the Internet, which bypasses the need for a

540
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 3: madam to arrange sexual transactions. The Internet itself is the madam.

541
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 2: I was the last of the last.

542
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: You can get anything you want now online.

543
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: At the dawn of the twenty first century, Heidi reunites

544
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: with Sean Hubler. After prison, Heidi has moved into a

545
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: new place, still in the canyons of Hollywood, although much

546
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: less expensive than her old Tower Grove estate. She has

547
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: also gotten a post prison plastic surgery makeover.

548
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: Hey, my lips are still going down from the cosmetic surgery.

549
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: I had a lot done lips, eyes, boobs.

550
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: Being in prison with no skin care really does a

551
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: number on you. You're in that recreation yard, but the sun

552
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: beating down you, it really ages you. Prematurely write it

553
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: if you want, but be sure to put in the

554
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: name of my plastic surgeon, doctor Randall Hayworth.

555
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 3: Heidi has comeback out of prison to a different world.

556
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 3: She no longer wants to be a madam, even if

557
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: she could. She makes an investment deal with Seth Warshovski,

558
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: the shady Tommy Lee and Pam Anderson sex tape distributor

559
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: who runs internet entertainment group. He agrees to give her

560
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: money to open a new Heidiwear store, this time on Melrose.

561
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: Seth Wartowski is also a character in Hulu's Pam and

562
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: Tommy and yet another interesting huckster. He started in phone

563
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: sex and moved on to running one of the very

564
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 3: first camgirl operations, a website called clublove dot com. Warshovsky

565
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: purposely courted controversy first by distributing the Pam and Tommy

566
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 3: sex tape against the couple's wishes, but also by threatening

567
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: to distribute a Kelsey Grammar sex tape and putting up

568
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: a hoax website called Our First Time that purported to

569
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: show two virgins having sex for the first time live

570
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: on a webcam. Honestly, the Fraser sex tape sounds worse

571
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: than a stuff film. The post court TV culture of

572
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: twenty four hour content and coverage driven by morbid curiosity,

573
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: has spread to its final host, the Internet, where it

574
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: takes its final form of social media and clickbait. But

575
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: the deal between Seth, Warshovski and Heidi goes up in

576
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: flames when they get in a fight with a rabbi

577
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: landlord with one stipulation. Warshovski is also being investigated for

578
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: fraud at the exact moment, Heidi is trying to open

579
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: another store with his investment.

580
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: The landlord was a very religious guy who at one

581
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: point was going to be a rabbi. All he asked

582
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: was that I agree not to sell sex toys, which

583
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 1: was fine.

584
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: It was going to have a velvet roped VIP area.

585
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: We were going to do live webcasts with select elebrities

586
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: that Seth insisted.

587
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: He threatened to sue me, sue the landlord.

588
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: He was a great concept, but it fell apart over dildos.

589
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: Heidi tells Sean Hubler that in jail, she was once

590
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: put in solitary confinement for throwing a metal chair at

591
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 3: a guard.

592
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: I know this sounds really prison, but the officer was

593
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: humiliating me.

594
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: For my own safety. I have to prove I wasn't

595
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: a punk.

596
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: Going to prison has also changed Heidi in the same

597
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 3: way it changes most people, it has hardened her.

598
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: Let's just put it this way.

599
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: There's a lot of sex in prison and a lot

600
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: of people who get raked. Three guards were transferred while

601
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I was there for inappropriate behavior, but the women also

602
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: seduce the guards.

603
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: But in her unique fashion, Heidi still always tries to

604
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: find the silver lining in her situation with a shrugug

605
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: and a smile. Prison gave her time to reflect on

606
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 3: her own issues addiction and self hatred.

607
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: I had a spiritual awakening at one point watching an

608
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey video about loving yourself.

609
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen makes a comeback in the mainstream media, taking

610
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 3: over for Michael J. Fox on the hit ABC sitcom

611
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: Spin City. When Fox is Parkinson's disease symptoms advance, much

612
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: like Robert Downey Junior's post jail stint on Ali McBeal,

613
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: The Spin City gig is a way for people with

614
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: addiction scandals to prove that they are reliable and can

615
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: be employed again without becoming an insurance liability for big

616
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: entertainment companies. Remember Jacob Cookie Orgad, the ecstasy dealer who

617
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: went from working with JJ the Beeper King, to being

618
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: Heidie's enforcer. Cookie or Gad now forty four heads to

619
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: trial for conspiracy to import and distribute I legal drugs.

620
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 3: Even the special agents are impressed at the scope and

621
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 3: skillfulness of Orgad's ecstasy operation. The ring had been operating

622
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: for two years when customs officers at Lax caught two

623
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: couriers coming from Paris carrying one hundred and forty thousand

624
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: ecstasy pills in their luggage. The Dutch chemist who made

625
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: the ecstasy goes on the lamb. All in all, six

626
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand tablets of ecstasy with a value

627
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 3: of twenty million dollars are sees. The Los Angeles avant

628
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: garde artist Paul McCarthy makes a series of paintings and

629
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: video art about Heidi where he conflates Heidi Flies with

630
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: the German children's story of Heidi.

631
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 6: Heidi has a series of themes I'm interested in. It's

632
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 6: a kind of moral story with the purpose of conditioning

633
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: children to good and pure things. For me, Heidi Flies

634
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 6: represent this kind of Heidi in this land. It's sort

635
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 6: of strange innocence to her really, and so this piece

636
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 6: is a way of deconstructing media culture, like you know,

637
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 6: People magazine or whatever. Within the theme of Heidi, It's

638
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 6: really about consumption, consumerism. It's a lot about that. It's

639
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 6: the use of fantasy figures and how that kind of

640
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 6: permeates our culture as a spectacle or a conditioner. And

641
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 6: I point that out through the use of these characters

642
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 6: such as Heidi. They're almost fabrications. They're the culturalization of innocence,

643
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 6: which is generational passes down, it becomes you. You are

644
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 6: in culturalized into absurdity.

645
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Speaker 1: And I'm in it too.

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Speaker 6: Paul McCarthy artist.

647
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: And what about Ginger Allen, the adult star and former

648
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 3: girlfriend of Charlie Sheen. Gingerlyn Allen returns to adult films

649
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine. In two thousand, she stars in

650
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: new Wave Hooker, six installment in the franchise she originated.

651
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: Alan makes a few more adult films in the late

652
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: nineties and early two thousands, like Sunset Stripped, My First

653
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: Sex Teacher seventeen, Ginger Loves Girls, and a hardcore porn

654
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: parody of Saw. She also starts hosting a serious satellite

655
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: radio show for Playboy called I Swear to God. I

656
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: did not know this until right now Night Calls Radio.

657
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: When Heidi World returns Heidi gets a new boyfriend actor

658
00:42:36,600 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: Tom Sizemore. Welcome Back to Heidie World two thousand and one.

659
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: Heidi violates her parole by testing positive for methamphetamines. While

660
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 3: under house arrest for violating probation, she moonlights writing a

661
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 3: column for a website called laugh dot Com. Paul Flies

662
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: and George DiCaprio, still best friends, take a walk together

663
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: every morning around those feelists. They are inspired by a

664
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Speaker 3: neighbor's son who's doing a sit in at Harvard for

665
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: a living wage, and decide to throw a benefit fundraiser

666
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: together for a nonprofit group dedicated to raising wages. The

667
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 3: fundraiser gets covered in the local newspaper as a positive

668
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: local civic event, suggesting that doctor Paul Flice's reputation at

669
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: least has been somewhat redeemed. Meanwhile, his daughter, Heidi, is

670
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: trying to hustle a one woman show, an instructional DVD,

671
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: and a book profiling call girls that she wants to

672
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: call a hooker book. She also has a new boyfriend,

673
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: actor Tom Sizemore, known for playing Detectives and True Romance

674
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: and Natural Born Killers, and also appearing in movies like

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00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: Strange Days, and heat. The couple move in together after

676
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: dating for a year. How's it going so far?

677
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: So good? Relationships are more difficult than dieting.

678
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 9: And one doesn't pick or they fall in love with

679
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 9: Tom Sizemore.

680
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: Actor Heidi and Tom Sizemore agree to auction off a

681
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: dinner date with them as a couple for a Catholic

682
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: high school. When the previous year's celebrity guest, local newslegend

683
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: hughle Hauser, declines to repeat, there is an immediate backlash

684
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: from parents, and the magical night with Heidi and Tom

685
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 3: has taken off the auction block for the Catholic school fundraiser.

686
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 2: I can't believe this.

687
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Speaker 1: I didn't know I was in such a mand I

688
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: guess it was the rejection that created a bit of

689
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: a buzz.

690
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, Heidi and Tom Sizemore breakup.

691
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 2: Love is a sickness, a disease. Our behavior is completely different.

692
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: We get vulnerable, obsessed, delusional.

693
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: Charlie Sheen wins a Golden Globe for his work on

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00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 3: Spin City. Somewhere after nine to eleven, the media landscape

695
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 3: shifts completely yet again, to become more uptight and racist

696
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 3: than ever. But also increasingly raunchy. In tandem with the

697
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: twin phenomenons of a new wave of reality television and

698
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: the success of amateur internet pornography. Joe Francis's amateur flashing

699
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: at spring break series Girls Gone Wild, which began in

700
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,720
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, is peaking in sales in the early

701
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 3: two thousands. At the same time, a writer's strike leads

702
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 3: the television industry to invest heavily in the burgeoning form

703
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: of reality television. While MTV's The Real World was the first,

704
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: its social issue use format was not what these network

705
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 3: shows shows to copy about it, and by its early

706
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: two thousands Las Vegas season, even The Real World was

707
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: slipping and ditittilating hot tub territory. The early two thousands

708
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: wave of reality shows are network shows like competition, game

709
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: show Survivor. The industry likes these shows because they are

710
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: cheap to make and easy to evade traditional union protections,

711
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: with viewers like them because they are long and tawdry.

712
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: The American shows are a step down in tawdreness and

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Speaker 3: length from the European ones, which can show nudity in

714
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Speaker 3: shows like twenty four hour surveillance camshow Big Brother. Sometimes

715
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: the tawdreness goes over the line from fun to watch

716
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: into exploitation, and the viewer must contend with whether they

717
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: are complicit in America's new favorite fast time humiliating real

718
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: people on TV. How does this relate back to Heidi

719
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: Flies Well, the Heidi Trial in many ways set the

720
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: template for the sort of public stoning on camera that

721
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: reality television made its bread and butter on. But the

722
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: connection between the Flight's clan and reality television goes even

723
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: deeper all the way out to Fullerton, California, where Heidi

724
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: has a second cousin named Mike Fliss.

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Speaker 5: I like to take a topic that someone says you

726
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 5: can't put that on TV, and then I put it

727
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 5: on TV. I want to feel a little bit dangerous,

728
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 5: a tiny bit irresponsible probably, and it usually equals some controversy.

729
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 5: And that's sort of my stock and trait, Mike Flie's

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00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 5: reality television producer.

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00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: Mike Flis's mother is a nurse and his father owns

732
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: a Baskin Robbins franchise in nearby Lahabra. Much like his cousin, Heidi,

733
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: Mike Flis doesn't totally fit in with the other easy

734
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: going California kids at Fullerton's Sunny Hills High.

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00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: The girls were unbelievably hot, but I was the alienated

736
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: parking lot stoner man.

737
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: Nevertheless, he becomes class president. He also starts dating a

738
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: girl that he meets at local theme park, nots Berry Farm.

739
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: Then he goes to UC Berkeley, where he studies journalism.

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00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: He writes for the college paper there and wants to

741
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: become a sports writer. He works at the Sacramento Union,

742
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: then the Santa Rosa Press for about three hundred bucks

743
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: a week, but he spends all his time at the

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00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: office writing television specscripts and watching reruns of Married with Children.

745
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: The name Flice in German means industrious and hardworking, and

746
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: Mike has the same genetics that I have.

747
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: Mike Flice's bolt of inspiration comes when he sees a

748
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: sketch on the syndicated TV version of Howard Stern's radio show.

749
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 5: It was something called the Lesbian Dating Game, and I thought, damn,

750
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 5: they had completely creative freedom, and I was being restricted

751
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 5: by the facts all the time. I felt like if

752
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: I sat there with a bunch of old men, I've

753
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 5: become one of them. I flip my editor the bird

754
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: and I told him to fucking fire me, motherfucker.

755
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: His editor remembers it differently. He says he fired a

756
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: shocked Mike Flie for spending all of his time at

757
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: the office watching syndicated reruns of Married with Children and

758
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 3: not doing work. After getting laid off from the paper,

759
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: Mike fly sends out his television specscripts, which go nowhere.

760
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: Then he gets his wife pregnant.

761
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 5: I would kill a human being for this opportunity.

762
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: After being unemployed for a year with a baby on

763
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: the way, Mike Flis's big break comes when he wins

764
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: an audition to write for a Fox show called Totally

765
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: Hidden Video. He writes forty bits in one night and

766
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: gets the job, finding out he's hired while his wife

767
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 3: is giving birth to their son, who they name Aaron Flice,

768
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: after the legendary television producer Aaron Spelling, who produced, among

769
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: other things, Melrose Place. Totally Hidden Video gets canceled almost immediately,

770
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 3: but Mike Flies has gotten his foot in the door

771
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: of a gold mine during the old rush that is

772
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 3: reality TV in the early two thousands, Next, Mike Flie

773
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: links up with two prolific reality show producers named Bruce

774
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Nash and Mike Darnell. Mike Darnell's specialty is making shows

775
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: that he compares favorably to violent car crashes you Can't

776
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: look away from. Their new writer, Mike Flice, is tasked

777
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: with writing a script for a Fox special called Breaking

778
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 3: the Magician's Code Magic's Biggest Secrets Revealed. The special features

779
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: a mass magician explaining how tricks work. It's a huge

780
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 3: hit and leads to five sequalized Magician's Code specials, a

781
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: bunch of lawsuits and a lot of very angry magicians.

782
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 5: I wanted to do a show called The World's Meanus

783
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 5: People Caught on Tape and you have a bunch of

784
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 5: people doing mean stuff. We had a clip of a

785
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 5: bartender this one time and he was stirring a Martini

786
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 5: with his penis.

787
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Speaker 3: The Fox network, known for scraping the gutter even for

788
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: reality buys The World's Meanus Peace Caught on Tape idea.

789
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: It airs in nineteen ninety nine under the new title

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00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: Shocking Behavior Caught on Tape And So Mike Flies charges

791
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: into the wild West of reality shows, demonstrating that the

792
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: Fli's family genes for hustling work and good money out

793
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: of thin air are indeed very strong. Mike Flies produces

794
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: shows with titles like World's Scariest Police Shootouts. In two thousand,

795
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: he produces a Fox reality special called Who Wants to

796
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Marry a multi Millionaire, where fifty women compete in a

797
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: beauty contest to win marriage to a rich man. They

798
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 3: don't get to see the rich guy until they win

799
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 3: during the televised marriage ceremony. This kind of they can't

800
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: do this on camera? Can they? Reality show format lives

801
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 3: on even today, primarily on Netflix. Who Wants to Marry

802
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: a Multimillionaire is a controversy before it even airs, attracting

803
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: criticism from both conservative Christian groups and the National Organization

804
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: for Women. It's Mike's idea to further court the controversy

805
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: by staging the show like a beauty pageant.

806
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 5: Imagine what kind of self respecting multimillionaire would want to

807
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 5: marry a woman's sight on scene. I mean, thank go

808
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 5: for Rick Rockwell. It's quite possible he was the only

809
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 5: person on the planet who was willing to do it.

810
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: And our backup millionaire, he's trying to get me to

811
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 5: buy him a Mercedes five hundred e free and clear.

812
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 3: Rick Rockwell, the show's titular multimillionaire is revealed to have

813
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: lied about his net worth. It turns out he didn't

814
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 3: even have one million dollars, let alone several. The winner

815
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: of the show is a pretty blonde Air Force veteran

816
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: named Darvi Conger, whose mother was the minor nineteen fifties

817
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 3: actress Susan Harrison, best known for Sweet Smell of Success,

818
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: a movie about how corrosive and a moral the media

819
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: industries can be. Conger asks for an immediate annulment of

820
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 3: the on screen nuptials. She does a press tour where

821
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: she says she and Rockwell had not consummated the marriage

822
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: and that she regrets doing the show. She poses for

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00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 3: play Boy later that year and fights former Soviet Olympic

824
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 3: gymnast Olga Korbutt on an episode of Celebrity Boxing in

825
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 3: two thousand and two. Then she gives up on fame

826
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 3: and moves to northern California, where she's worked as a

827
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 3: nurse anesthecist ever since. Rick Rockwell claimed the show ruined

828
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 3: his life, but shortly afterwards a smokinggun dot com story

829
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 3: came out about how he had allegedly assaulted and threatened

830
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 3: a former fiance, who filed a restraining order on him.

831
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Speaker 3: In response to the scandal, the Fox network canceled some

832
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: planned upcoming boundary pushing reality shows like Plastic Surgery, Nightmares,

833
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 3: and Jumbo Jet Crash The Ultimate Safety Test. Fox purposely

834
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: has been courting this kind of controversy in the early

835
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 3: two thousands, right up until it starts to backfire, airing

836
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 3: shows whose outrage value right there in the titles drew

837
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: viewers in Fox aired reality shows like two thousand and

838
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 3: fours Horrific the Swan, where a bunch of normal women

839
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: get plastic surgery makeovers and then compete in a beauty contest,

840
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 3: on ran for two seasons and is to this day

841
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 3: the most fucked up thing I've ever seen on TV.

842
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 3: The late nineties content cycle has met the two thousands,

843
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: an era where a little bit of fame and controversy

844
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: can potentially be parlayed into a slightly larger amount of fame.

845
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: Anyone could become a professional dlister for at least a

846
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: brief amount of time. Despite the Rick Rockwell scandal, Mike

847
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: Flie gets back on the reality television horse, selling a

848
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: show called Battle of the Child Geniuses. He gets a

849
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,240
Speaker 3: new deal with CIA and becomes showrunner of an NBC

850
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: hidden camera show called Spy TV. He lands a seven

851
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 3: figure deal to develop new shows for Warner Brothers.

852
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 5: Here's Mail Order Bride's, which is an idea I think

853
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 5: someone is doing now. Intervention called Turkey is about people

854
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: trying to give up addictions. Spot your former lover, get

855
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: a room full of people. You slept with one of

856
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: these people, and now you've got to find that person.

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Speaker 5: Social Climbers. That's a title, kind of like and ruin

858
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 5: your Life. That's pretty good.

859
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 4: What does Ruin your Life about?

860
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 5: I don't even remember what's about.

861
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: After running through his first batch of insane ideas, inspiration

862
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 3: comes first. He invents a high school reunion reality show,

863
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: and then it comes to him like a bolt from

864
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: the blue.

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00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 5: The Bachelor, a dating show where you watch your relationship evolve.

866
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 5: I mean within fifteen minutes, I had the whole thing

867
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 5: in my head, the roses, the house, I mean everything.

868
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 5: I swear to God, it was like it hit me

869
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 5: in one flash.

870
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 3: The Bachelor is Mike Flie's turned towards I guess respectability.

871
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: At least it's a step away from the car crash

872
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 3: videos he made his name on The Bachelor also draws

873
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 3: obvious comparisons to his cousin, Heidi's former business. It's there's

874
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: a show about men choosing one beautiful woman out of

875
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 3: a lineup of beautiful women. The Bachelor is strangely chased

876
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 3: for a show that is so blatantly about sexual competition.

877
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: But by the time The Bachelor arrives there is an

878
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: entire class of actor who would settle for reality show fame.

879
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: Is it really exploitative if everyone involved has agreed to

880
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: be degraded on television consentually. I don't know. When I

881
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: announced that the name of this podcast was Heidi World,

882
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: some people asked if it was a podcast about Heidi Montag,

883
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: the star of the Hills, who got a bunch of

884
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: intense plastic surgery procedures very close together for attention and

885
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: publicity in the two thousands. I guess I'm trying to

886
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: say the answer is sort of also yes, Anthony Pelicano

887
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 3: is arrested for possessing heavy explosives and Charlie Sheen gets

888
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: married for a second time. I'm to actress Denise Richards,

889
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: Tom Sizemore's relationship with Heidi and so badly that Heidi

890
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: ends up the last place she would ever want to

891
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: be again, a courtroom. In May of two thousand and three,

892
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: Heidi files charges against Tom Sizemore for domestic violence and

893
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 3: intimidating witnesses. Sizemore is ordered to stay away from her.

894
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 3: Tom Sizemore's lawyer claims Heidi is just trying to get

895
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: revenge on his client for ending their relationship.

896
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 9: In recent months. I've permitted my personal demons to take

897
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 9: over my life. I don't want to make excuses, but

898
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 9: I'm convinced if I had not been under the influence

899
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 9: of drugs out of control my behavior, I believe I

900
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 9: can beat this scourge that it's afflicted me and become

901
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 9: a better man and better citizen, and remind you of

902
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 9: the Bard's praise of justice tempered with mercy, where he

903
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 9: benefits those who receive it and those who give it.

904
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: Tom Sizemore is already being charged in another trial with

905
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: domestic violence and intimidating witnesses by a different ex girlfriend.

906
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: In phone messages played for the jury, Sizemore allegedly tells

907
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: Heidi that no one will believe her because he is

908
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 3: a famous Hollywood actor and she is quote a convicted

909
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: felon and garbage whore end quote. Sizemore pleads not guilty

910
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 3: in this Heidi trial, but he is convicted and sentenced

911
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 3: to six months in jail.

912
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 9: I like to put this behind me now and do

913
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 9: what I've always loved doing, which is to make movies.

914
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 3: Heidi sells her life story to Paramount Pictures for a

915
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: movie that will supposedly star Nicole Kidman. The movie doesn't

916
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 3: get made, probably just development hell, but the studios also

917
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 3: just want the scandal to disappear. They may have even

918
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: bought the rights in order to bury the story and

919
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 3: stop it from resurfacing, which, well, too bad for them.

920
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: They didn't predict podcasts.

921
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: No relationship is easy. They are constantly a work in progress.

922
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: And because of my life's experiences and my years running

923
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: the sex business, I know more about the dynamics of

924
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: male and female behavior and the complexities of relationships than

925
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: someone who has spent years in a classroom, reading self

926
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: help books or going to a therapist. My advice may

927
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: not follow society's standards, but it is right.

928
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: Heidi writes and publishes two books. One is a dating

929
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: guide called The Player's Handbook. In the player's Handbook, she

930
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: gives advice about how to date like a powerful man

931
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: that feels very in step with the third wave feminism

932
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 3: of the late nineties and early two thousands. The casual

933
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: sex that came out of the nineteen sixties sexual revolution

934
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 3: had merged with eighties and nineties corporatism that happened to

935
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: be right on brand for Heidi. Flis be the best,

936
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: the most beautiful object you can be. Then use your

937
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: brain to make men pay for your extravagant lifestyle.

938
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: Don't deny your past. Your past is part of the

939
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: woman he loves. So if you were a stripper, hooker,

940
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: you fucked half the football team in high school, don't

941
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: deny what you have done and who you are. See

942
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: your past with humor. If your man finds out, laugh

943
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: it off.

944
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: It's also very much about Heidi's own specific taste. There's

945
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 3: an illustration of the ideal bachelorette pad where she describes

946
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: what a girl's apartment should look like.

947
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: A player's home should have soft ambience, beautiful mood lighting,

948
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: home feeder complete with all the classic player flicks, immaculate

949
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: bathroom complete with all types of hygiene products for men

950
01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: and women, abundance of special presence for each date, candles, pajamas,

951
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: glass animals that are all one of a kind except

952
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: for the extra fifty in the basement, fully loaded bar,

953
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: personal touches of player wisdom like rejection, breeds of session,

954
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: overall uberbimp, super slick furniture.

955
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: Art and ambience.

956
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: Heidi's other book is an autobiography called Pandering. Pandering is

957
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 3: a yearbook sized coffee table book that's basically a scrap

958
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: book of Heidi's exploits. As we learned, the girls were

959
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: all really into scrapbooking and kept careful records with ticket stubs, diaries,

960
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: and physical photos. Heidi seemingly kept everything Pandering in the

961
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 3: Player's Handbook. Both have some really wild graphic design in

962
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 3: this early Internet collage maximalist style. Meanwhile, Charlie Sheen gets

963
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: another starring role as an aging bachelor and a TV

964
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 3: show called Two and a Half Men. It's a huge hit,

965
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 3: providing Sheen with a mainstream career comeback as a sitcom

966
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 3: star after he's launched on Spin City, and also providing

967
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: him with absolutely ungodly amounts of network television sitcom money

968
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 3: while he cultivates his new image as a loving husband

969
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: and father married to America's sweetheart Denise Richards, Heidi Flace

970
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: completes her probation. Somehow she has finally come out of

971
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 3: her ordeal for good and she is a free woman.

972
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: But she has changed in the years since she first

973
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: took on the city of Los Angeles, and the city

974
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: of Los Angeles has changed in those years too, And

975
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: somehow Heidi has to figure out yet again how to

976
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: make a viable living. While she may no longer be

977
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 3: able or even interested in selling sex, she can still

978
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: sell notoriety. And where do notori as people go for

979
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: a second wind in their career alongside washed up famous people.

980
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: Why Reality TV? Of course. Next time on Heidi World,

981
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 3: Heidi moved to the Nevada Desert with a dream to

982
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 3: open a brothel for women called Heidie's Sud Farm in Parham,

983
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: where prostitution is legal.