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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a Kentucky woman found guilty

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Speaker 1: of murdering her on and off boyfriend who seemingly dumped

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Speaker 1: her for a date with Miss Ohio. Then video emerges

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Speaker 1: of her dancing and singing I did it, I did

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Speaker 1: it in the police interrogation room. I'm talking about none

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Speaker 1: other than twenty seven year old Shana Hubers, who was

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Speaker 1: obsessed with up and coming lawyer Ryan Posting. When he

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Speaker 1: and it's not like you did it behind her back.

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Speaker 1: He broke up with her. Apparently he tried to break

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Speaker 1: up with her many many times. This time she shot

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Speaker 1: him dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Joining me from Radar Online

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Alex's Terrez Chuck Alexa's not only did she

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Speaker 1: get a new trial after the murderer of Poston, she

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Speaker 1: was found guilty a second time. But I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about her life behind bars. What CI correctional institution

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Speaker 1: is she in? Shina is in prison in the Kentucky

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Speaker 1: Correctional Institute for Women. This is a maximum security prison.

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Speaker 1: It's in Shelby County. Kentucky and it houses adult female felon.

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Speaker 1: I understand she fell in love with another woman behind

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Speaker 1: meet a woman when she was in the Campbell County jail,

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Speaker 1: So the woman that she fell in love with actually

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Speaker 1: named Richard McBee. She changed her name to Unique Taylor,

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Speaker 1: and then the two of them got married in jail.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about their courtship and marriage. Well,

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Speaker 1: the courtship wasn't really unusual because they are locked up

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Speaker 1: while she was on trial. But they apparently fell in

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Speaker 1: love behind bars with each other. Is it true? Alexis

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Speaker 1: It was on June seventh, twenty eighteen. It was in

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Speaker 1: the Campbell County Court Hall. Less than a year later,

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Speaker 1: in just March of this year, March nineteenth of twenty

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Speaker 1: My goodness, Shane Hubers is we've been unlucky in love.

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Speaker 1: Shanda Hubers behind bars right now, but apparently living the

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Speaker 1: good life. But how did it land here? Shanda Huber's

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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, accused of cackling as she guns

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Speaker 1: so proud of him, Ryan Poston, shooting him six times,

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Speaker 1: That would be Audrey Bolt for a date. Okay, Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's quite the coincidence in the timing. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's see what we can learn. Take a listen to this, ma'am.

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Speaker 1: I haven't I killed my boyfriend and self? Okay, where

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Speaker 1: are you up? I'm not twelve? That old? Well? Stop

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Speaker 1: it right there, guys. Did you hear that? Jim l

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Speaker 1: joining me? Uh? City attorney well known in his region

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Speaker 1: hear that? She says, uh uh uh, I shot my

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Speaker 1: boyfriend in self defense and the dispatcher. The dispatcher says, mmmmmmm,

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Speaker 1: shot him in a self defense? Did you hear that?

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Speaker 1: Jim Elliott? Absolutely, absolutely, she was prepared for that call.

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Speaker 1: She scripted that before she called in, obviously. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I got to hear more of this nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: Roll that beautiful sound, ma'am. I have I haven't I

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Speaker 1: I'm not twelve metal Laide Island four one o seven seconds,

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Speaker 1: twelve medal lane. Are you in a house? An apartment? There? Apartment?

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Speaker 1: If apartments? Do anything else? Meadow of you or something? Okay, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: it again. I'm so sorry. But is she laughing or crying?

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Speaker 1: I mean to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator.

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt that she is highly inappropriate. This was

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Speaker 1: according to her cellmates, Francy Haigs, she bragged behind bars

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Speaker 1: that she quote gave Posting the nose job he always

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Speaker 1: exactly how cold blooded is that she was obviously bitter

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Speaker 1: having none of it. You don't break up with Shaney

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Speaker 1: Huber's she kills you instead. Mmmm. Okay, guys, I love

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Speaker 1: playing a nine one one call for a jury. It

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Speaker 1: everything went down. It's a it's a treasure trove of information.

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Speaker 1: Blood's hear some more of that nine one one call? Mean,

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Speaker 1: get what you in it? You're in it's not showing

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Speaker 1: you heal him with? God? A loaded gun in the house?

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Speaker 1: me what it's up. I laid it on the books

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Speaker 1: idea that this life was disposable. You know that this

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Speaker 1: So there's video of her and she was taken into custody.

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Speaker 1: it reminds me of Jody Arius. Remember her singing, I

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Speaker 1: on here, but you cannot be denied. You're right to

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Speaker 1: get married behind bars, so we are allowing it. Alexais,

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Speaker 1: what do you think was the strongest evidence a trial

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Speaker 1: that led to her conviction not once but twice. I

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Speaker 1: think it was her own text messages with him, that

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Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth where they talked about sex, sex, sex,

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Speaker 1: but nothing abusive was ever in there. I think her

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Speaker 1: own words were probably what were the things that the

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Speaker 1: jergs looked at the most and said, we have to

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Speaker 1: take her at her face value. This is this is

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Speaker 1: what happened Back to the night of the murder. What

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Speaker 1: happened to alexis so Shana said that when old to

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Speaker 1: Ryan's house and that he pressured her into having sex

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Speaker 1: and he was abusive to her, and she said that

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Speaker 1: he tried to force her into sex. She hit him

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Speaker 1: and then she killed him because he was trying to

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Speaker 1: attack her. Obviously, the prosecutor said that wasn't true, and

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Speaker 1: that she showed up and had planned to kill him

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Speaker 1: because he was leaving her and was having a date

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Speaker 1: with a beauty queen, beautiful woman. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 1: During the trial, I recall Ryan standing over me and

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Speaker 1: grabbing the gun that was sitting on the table and

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00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: pointing it at me and saying, I could just kill

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Speaker 1: me right now and get away with it. Nobody would

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Speaker 1: even know. How did you react to that? I was

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Speaker 1: I was shocked, I was afraid, and he was reaching

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Speaker 1: across the table and I don't know if he was

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Speaker 1: reaching for the gun or each for me. But I

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Speaker 1: was still sitting on the floor at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: and I got up off the floor and I grabbed

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Speaker 1: a gun and I shot him. He was first shot.

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Speaker 1: He let out a really loud noise that sounded like

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Speaker 1: an animal. It sounded like a bear, some type of

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Speaker 1: wild animal. It really freaked me out. You are hearing

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Speaker 1: Shane of Huber's testimony. She is describing what happened when

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Speaker 1: she shot her boyfriend dead six bullets. She claims self defense.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell you something I want to reveal,

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Speaker 1: something that came out. Ryan Poston's exasperation was growing. He

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Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, and he wrote a text

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Speaker 1: to his cousin, quote, this is getting to be restraining

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Speaker 1: order level crazy. She shown up at my condo like

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Speaker 1: three times. She refuses to leave each time, he writes, Literally,

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Speaker 1: probably the craziest thing person I have ever met. She

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Speaker 1: almost scares me. You know that's a big clue, Francie

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Speaker 1: Haigs that you need to break up and get that

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Speaker 1: restraining order. When you think maybe I should get a

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Speaker 1: restraining order, it's time to get a restraining order. If

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Speaker 1: you're at that level, it really is Nancy. And I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you that because he was a man, it really

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Speaker 1: didn't occur to him that he could be in physical danger.

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Speaker 1: And so he died. He died for the mistake in

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Speaker 1: not understanding, understandably, so not understanding who she was and

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Speaker 1: what she was capable of. But that text to his

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Speaker 1: between friends was a cry for help. And if he

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Speaker 1: had been a woman, if the shoe was on the

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Speaker 1: other foot, if he'd been a woman dealing with a

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Speaker 1: man with this kind of aggressive, crazy behavior, I don't

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Speaker 1: doubt for a minute that there would have been some

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Speaker 1: kind of court action and police call before. Now, well,

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Speaker 1: interesting to you, Jim Elliott, city attorney for one or Robbins,

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Speaker 1: she says to nine on one, as Joe Scott pointed out,

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Speaker 1: he beat me and tried to carry me out of

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Speaker 1: the house, and I came back to get my things.

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Speaker 1: He was right in front of me, reached down and

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Speaker 1: grabbed the gun. I grabbed out of his hand and

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Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. So she says, he beat me, but

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Speaker 1: there are no bruises or marks on her body. Nine

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Speaker 1: one one. How long ago did you shoot him? Hubers?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Fifteen ten, fifteen minutes ago, operator, fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes ago. Yeah, so let me ask you, why, Jim

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Speaker 1: does she wait fifteen minutes to call nine one one. Well,

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Speaker 1: Chateau put together the little scenes you're created and probably

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Speaker 1: come up with a story that you're going to tell,

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Speaker 1: and all those details that we just heard, that's how

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Speaker 1: the story that she crafted up. So, yeah, she needed

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Speaker 1: to take a beat and come up with that story.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Jim Elliott. Let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: what she says in her testimony about why she shot

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00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Posting six times. Listen. One was that when I

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Speaker 1: first shot him, he let out a really loud noise

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Speaker 1: that like an animal. It was a very animalistic noise.

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Speaker 1: It scared me, It friked me out. I also when

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Speaker 1: I first shot and wasn't sure where the shots had

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Speaker 1: entered or if I had just made him more angry

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Speaker 1: and therefore he was more of a threat and would

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Speaker 1: just it would make the situation even more severe. And

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Speaker 1: then thirdly, I had the mistaken belief that there was

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Speaker 1: another gun on the table. And you know now that

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Speaker 1: there it wasn't another gun on the table, but at

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Speaker 1: the time I thought that there was, And you were

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Speaker 1: concerned enough for mister Poston that he wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure he didn't have to live with a deformed faith,

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Speaker 1: worn't your I scept that. Listen. We have a shot

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Speaker 1: to the head, which is administered to the head and

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Speaker 1: is incapacitating with no stipling at a distance, which puts

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00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: the victim down on his face on the table. At

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Speaker 1: that point, the suspect moves forward. The victim was alive

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Speaker 1: for all of the shots, so I believe the first

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Speaker 1: three shots into themselves were very damaging, but he remained alive.

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Speaker 1: Until the last shot was given. You know Alexa's oft.

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Speaker 1: When we hear about domestic battering in a relationship, domestic violence,

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00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: it was actually her that had been beating him and

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Speaker 1: slapping him. That was what the prosecutor said, That she

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Speaker 1: was the one that was so enraged that she attacked

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00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 1: him multiple times, and that her defense was he pressured

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Speaker 1: me into sex, and that that was what turned him

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Speaker 1: on the post and tried over and over to break

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Speaker 1: up with her. In fact, he referred to her to

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Speaker 1: a friend as kind of like a creepy stalker. Remember

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Speaker 1: that he is exactly like poor Privis Alexander. That's what

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Speaker 1: everybody said about Joey Aarris, that she were the creepy

535
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Speaker 1: stalker too. These women do not give up. Instead of

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Speaker 1: just accepting that everybody goes through a heartbreak, you're side.

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Speaker 1: You want that person to love you. If they don't

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Speaker 1: love you, you have to move on. You cry to

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Speaker 1: your friend, you go to a bar and you cry

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00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: at the bar. You cry all the time, But you

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00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: don't keep stalking them and then plan to murder them

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00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: because they don't want you. It's insane enough. Why these

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00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: people are behind ours, These two kid breaking up and

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00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: getting together, breaking up, getting back together because she'd stalk

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Speaker 1: him and probably give in and get back together. But

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Speaker 1: as I often say to people that say should I

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00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: get back with my ex? I always say, there's a

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00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: reason they're your ex, you know, keep that in mind.

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00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: There's a reason you broke up to start with exactly.

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Speaker 1: And when these women start doing these things, and men

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Speaker 1: do it too, when xes start obsessively stalking people, that

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Speaker 1: is a concern. This is where it winds up Jody

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00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: and Shana planting to kill their boyfriends, not breaking up,

554
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: saying that things about them to their friends killing them.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. Chrissa Carlyle, Poston's cousin, said post and tried

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Speaker 1: numerous times to break up, and at one point he

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Speaker 1: even asked the cousin, Chrissa Carlyle, to tell you Bers

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Speaker 1: why the relationship was ending, because you know, she didn't

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00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: seem to get it. But Hebrews wouldn't hear it. She

560
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: would not hear it. Nope, she was twenty one years

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00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: old and obsessed with him. She had nothing on her

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00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: mind other than trying to get back with him and

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: to go out with him again. Could she explain to

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Speaker 1: me alexis why the defense spent so much time at

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Speaker 1: trial discussing why Hebrews was unhappy with their sex life.

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Speaker 1: What did that have to do with the murder? I

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Speaker 1: assume that the defense thought that by distracting with all

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00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: the sordid details, that it would somehow make him look bad,

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Speaker 1: and that they would they would think that he was

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Speaker 1: a sex pervert and that he had pressured into sex

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Speaker 1: and that was why she ended up killing him. Well,

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Speaker 1: she ever get out from behind bars, so she was

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Speaker 1: sentenced to forty years behind bars. She's already served six

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Speaker 1: of those years in the county jail while she was

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Speaker 1: on trial, so she's actually going to be eligible for

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Speaker 1: Pearle in just fourteen years. Nancy Grace Crime Stories Sliding Off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye Friend,