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Speaker 3: It is no wonder why she has truly skyrocketed within

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Speaker 2: Well, at first I was my mindset. I was shattered

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00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 2: when when it ended because I was one of the

444
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: last cuts from going into you know, the Olympic cycle

445
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 2: that year. So I was chasing this goal of playing

446
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: on the Olympic team. And though I had represented my

447
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: country on many different levels and teams, the goal was always.

448
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: Like this Olympic title, in this Olympic ring.

449
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Speaker 2: But I think again, when you're chasing this very clear,

450
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: vivid goal, it can be very detrimental because you're not

451
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 2: always celebrating the big wins and gains along the way.

452
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: And so when I was kind of forced with the

453
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 2: reality of my journey coming to an end, not on

454
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Speaker 2: my terms, but I was put in that position to

455
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: have those conversations and you start having all the voices

456
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: go in your head of like, Okay, you know I'm

457
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: not good enough, wasn't capable, wasn't deserving, you know, didn't

458
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: do this right, and you can easily dive down that

459
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Speaker 2: rabbit hole. And I did, Like I fell into the

460
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: hole of feeling all the real human feelings of feeling

461
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: like I was a failure. And though I had friends

462
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: and family, you know, sit with me in that space

463
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: of talking me through, like know all the things you've done,

464
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Speaker 2: but it wasn't even about the accolades in the end.

465
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Speaker 2: It was like when you're chasing this goal and then

466
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 2: you feel like you got to the mound, but you

467
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: couldn't get up the final step. That's how it just

468
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: felt like this void of not completing it and feeling

469
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 2: left empty with it. But I think I allowed myself

470
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: to really take the space to find myself naturally become

471
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Speaker 2: a coach. Interesting enough, when I was faced with that decision,

472
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Speaker 2: I actually called one of my former coaches who he

473
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Speaker 2: really helped catapult my playing career that I moved out

474
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: out to BC, and I called him right away and said,

475
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Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, and he was right away,

476
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: come coach for me, come work for me. And I

477
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not ready to do that. I'm not

478
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Speaker 2: ready to dive into it. I don't even think I

479
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: can coach anyone right now in the headspace that I'm in.

480
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: But he said something to me that was so formative

481
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: and still very clear to me. The stay said, remember

482
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Speaker 2: who you were as a player, when you love the game,

483
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: just show up and be a mentor to that girl,

484
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Speaker 2: like who you would need every day. And I think,

485
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: think you have the courage and ability to do that.

486
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hate you for saying this, because like

487
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: part of me did miss being on the ice, and

488
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: he's like, just do me a favor, come down, get

489
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: back on the ice, work with these kids.

490
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Speaker 1: And see how you feel and then decide.

491
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Speaker 2: And from that moment, I was packing up my playing

492
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: bag and grabbing my coaching skates and tracksuit and never

493
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: left the ice again as a coach, and I honestly

494
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 2: haven't laced up and put on my gear ever again,

495
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy. But I found myself completely

496
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: back in a space where I was able to still

497
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 2: almost shift the same passion and love I have for

498
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: the game, but in an avenue. Now that was still fulfilling.

499
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: That you're still gratifying to go through that process with

500
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 2: an athlete and learn all the.

501
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Speaker 1: Things along the way.

502
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: But just the role of being a coach, being a mentor,

503
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: and the power of having that. I mean, I still

504
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 2: looked all the great mentors and coaches I had in

505
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: my life and how they shape me, and now.

506
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Speaker 1: I realize it's the greatest privilege of my work.

507
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: Getting to be that for other people is so warding

508
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: and so fulfilling.

509
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Speaker 4: What makes you a good coach?

510
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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that I try to bring

511
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 2: to the table, and that separates me as my empathetic nature.

512
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: You know, I first and foremost see the human in

513
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: every athlete I work with, and this is beyond gender,

514
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: and I try to create a very real, honest and

515
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: vulnerable space with that person because I know that specially

516
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: through some of the things that I went through in life.

517
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: You know, this game is just the avenue of which

518
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: I can reach a person and work through a person.

519
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: But it's the relationship, it's the trust, it's the communication,

520
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: all of the gold of just being really authentic and

521
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: honest and able to listen, where you create a safe

522
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 2: space for an athlete to actually take step take steps

523
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: forward with the guidance of a coach. And I learned that,

524
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 2: and I took that from some of the best coaches

525
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: I had in all little different pieces, and I just

526
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: try to really show up in the most honest ways

527
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: that I can be myself so they know that I'm

528
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: willing to be seen so they can do the same.

529
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: And I've learned that, especially now in a male dominated

530
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: space or as a woman working with men, I still

531
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: try to create those spaces right away, like they know

532
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: they can be honest with me, they can be emotional,

533
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: they can have the hard conversations about maybe what they're

534
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: going through, and then we can get to business back

535
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: on the other side of the game, where there's a

536
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 2: mutual respect on I'm here to serve you, I'm here

537
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: to help you.

538
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with me.

539
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: How can I be there for you, and that has

540
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: to start with a real empathetic approach to understanding them

541
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: versus a person, and then realizing how you can help

542
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: them as a player.

543
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Speaker 3: I think it's a really commendable POV and such a

544
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: beautiful thing to articulate as your strength, especially because one

545
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: would assume that words like empathy and feelings and emotions

546
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: aren't the first thing a male hockey players want to

547
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 3: get into.

548
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 2: Right And you know, it's interesting at the end of

549
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: the day, every athlete and player, and I think I

550
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: could say this is true to most that I've played

551
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: with or the best teams have been part of with

552
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: great coaches, is they just want to have a coach

553
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: that they know is there for them and can help them.

554
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: And once you create that trust in bond and it

555
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: takes time sometimes for me some guys and some players

556
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: are easier than others. But I think when you show

557
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: up with authenticity and you create a space for people

558
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: to just be themselves, it's really unbelievable what you can

559
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: unlock and unpack. And I always say that one of

560
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: the first things I say to a player is like,

561
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: how do you like to be coached? And how can

562
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: I help you, like, how how can I be there

563
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: just support in your journey wherever you're at as a

564
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: younger player is an older player like what are the

565
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: ways that you need support? And you might not know

566
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: that answer right now, but I might identify a lot

567
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: the way and communicate certain ideas and ways and I've

568
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: figured out a lot of activities like to help a

569
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: player kind of get to that place. And it's a

570
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: really interesting process. But it's really cool when you create

571
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: those meaningful relationships and you realize and they look at

572
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: you like they start to have success and you're like, yeah,

573
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: we've been there, I get it. You know, you go

574
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: through that process with them. So it's been really special

575
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: to be able to bring that to the table and

576
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: to know that having voices like that and having maybe

577
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 2: a more of an emotional investment to the coaching process

578
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: is a good thing.

579
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Speaker 4: It's bigger than coaching, right. We all want to be seeing.

580
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: Right every day when you go into the world, like,

581
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 3: we all just want to feel safe and understood, and

582
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 3: so to be this let's call it light for so

583
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: many people that maybe don't take that same approach, it would,

584
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 3: I would assume, really benefit you as a coach and

585
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: as a figurehead to so many of these guys.

586
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and just the power of showing up, Like I

587
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: always say, just some people ask me too, I'm like,

588
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: I just so excited to get in the trenches and

589
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: do the work, Like being on the ice is my

590
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: happy place. And so much of the NHL now would

591
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: do play so many games, so we're so deep in

592
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: video and having to rely on using video to coach,

593
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: and that's a challenge in itself. But when you have

594
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: the ability when a player's going through something or when

595
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: they're at their peak and they're really feeling it to

596
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: be able to get in the trenches with them and

597
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: support them either to overcome it or to keep the momentum,

598
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: it's a really cool thing that you can leverage in

599
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: terms of relationship building. Because, like I said, the.

600
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Speaker 1: Power of showing up.

601
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Speaker 2: That's what I think about my mom showing up for

602
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 2: me as a young kid, Like she didn't have to

603
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: do that, she volunteered her time and she modeled that

604
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: a woman can do what traditionally has been a man's

605
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: job or dad's job. And what did that do for me?

606
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean put me in the National Hockey League, Whether

607
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: she believes it or not, so it's just show up

608
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: and see what happens.

609
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Speaker 3: Would you say that she is also the person and

610
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: that modeled the importance of empathy to you.

611
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And obviously, like some of the trauma we

612
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: went through as a family and kind of leaning and

613
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: grieving through some of that, I just saw her way

614
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: of healing and going through it and navigating it in

615
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, my young childhood self witnessing that she poured

616
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: into other people as her way to heal and help.

617
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: And so I think there's a lot of that in

618
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Speaker 2: me as a coach. Is you know what this Like

619
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Speaker 2: I said, my job as a coach is to support

620
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Speaker 2: And I think that honestly, you can lose sight of

621
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: like what a coach is supposed to do because there's

622
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: so many responsibilities and tasks and you're managing communication, you're

623
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: making decisions, or's doing all this all of these things

624
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: as a coach. And so I think she very much

625
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: modeled for me just how helping people and showing up

626
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: for other people lifts you to a better version of

627
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: yourself at the end of the day, or makes you

628
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: a stronger version of yourself. And so I know that

629
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: if I'm more inspired by helping the guys that I'm

630
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: going to be a better coach. I'm going to show

631
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: up as a more prepared, more eager, more hungry coach

632
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: and if I'm asking them to do the same. It's

633
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: this kind of cycle of just joy and filled with

634
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: passion and it's felt. You can feel it on both sides.

635
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: I think from as a player as a coach, and

636
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: it just creates, you know, a space where you could

637
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: screw up and bake mistakes and say like, I mess

638
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: that up, but I'm going to find the answers and

639
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: we're going to work through it. And you know, there's

640
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: some humanity that goes into.

641
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 3: That humanity and there's also so much value in that

642
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: accountability factor as well, something that not everyone feels comfortable

643
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: stepping up to the table and saying.

644
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Speaker 4: I've got this. It's on me.

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Speaker 4: Yea, and you get an email tell us about the email.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, oh gosh, that was now almost three ago.

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Speaker 4: Three years ago.

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00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just finished last year.

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00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: So I was sitting in Vegas running a junior hockey camp,

701
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: or oddly enough, we were in Vegas for this camp.

702
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: So I was preparing to go to the rink. And

703
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: I just actually returned from World Championships having coached the

704
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Speaker 2: German national team, which for me was the peak of

705
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: my career at that moment, to the highest level. And

706
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: so I was coming off of this really big high

707
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: and when I got back from Germany shortly now found

708
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: myself in Vegas back to coaching, I don't want to

709
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: say a lower level, but now I was coaching junior players,

710
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: and I was kind of faced with the reality of like,

711
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Speaker 2: what's next. I just got to experience this really big

712
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: moment for me in his career, and is it going

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Speaker 2: to continue on? And how do I, you know, find

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Speaker 2: that next step.

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Speaker 1: And how do I fit?

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00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: You know? Like that was still very much of a

717
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: reality of the barriers that were there. And I had

718
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: an email land on my you know, hockey power skating

719
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: random website, email like any parent would if they were

720
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Speaker 2: trying to sign up for lessons or hockey camp, and

721
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: it was from Stanley Cup winning coach, very renowned coach

722
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Speaker 2: Dan Balsma from his personal email. And it was like

723
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: one sentence coaching inquiry, looking to get in touch with

724
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Speaker 2: Jessica for a coaching opportunity. And I'm like, this has

725
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 2: to be s fan like, first of all, this is

726
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: too short, this is from a personal email.

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Speaker 1: Is this really the Dan Balsma?

728
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: And anyways, of course I responded, hoping it was all real,

729
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: and it was, and we got on a call and

730
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: pretty quickly, you know, he did his research and asked me,

731
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, he's interviewing for his staff, he took over

732
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: the new coaching staff in the AHL obviously the minor

733
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: league team to the Seattle Kraken, and wanted to know

734
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: if I'd be interested in interviewing in that. He had

735
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, conversation with other athletes I had worked with

736
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: and did some of his digging on me, and I

737
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: seemed like a candidate that he would want to have

738
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: on his team, and it obviously worked out, but super

739
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: crazy because I'm sitting there thinking like I have no

740
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 2: idea how I'm going to continue in pro sports, Like

741
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: where do I go from here? And I had to

742
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: move to Sweden then to Germany to find my start,

743
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: and now I'm back in North America where it should

744
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: be easier in a hockey you know market, and here

745
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: I am fronted with the harsh reality. But again, he

746
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 2: was a massive ally to me and the biggest, you know,

747
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: biggest green light for me to take my start in

748
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: coaching full time in pro hockey.

749
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: I got chills when you started the story and you

750
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: said I thought I was at the peak of my career.

751
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: What a beautiful illustration of you didn't know that there

752
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: was more for you. You hadn't seen someone who did

753
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: what you are currently doing, and so you felt limited

754
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: and not to put words in yourself, but maybe like

755
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: you were a little bit at kind of a dead end.

756
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: You're like, where do I go from here? So many

757
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: people can relate to that being at this place where

758
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Speaker 3: we're like I want to throw my hands up. I

759
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: feel like I have nothing else to give. It's all

760
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 3: no and also a testament to you. I think it's

761
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 3: so interesting that you use one of your strongest skill sets.

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00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: You're talking about like him coming through your personal website, right,

763
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: and like you were like, this is something I'm good at,

764
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765
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 3: how to be an entrepreneur. In that sense, you were

766
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Speaker 3: doing the best you could with everything that you had,

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00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: and I think that that for a lot of people

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00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: is a very frustrating thing because it's like you want more,

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Speaker 3: but you don't know how to get it, and until

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Speaker 3: you can articulate sometimes what that more is, I'm kind

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00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: of on the mindset that you don't get to get it.

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Speaker 3: But what happens is that someone needs to open the

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Speaker 4: When you.

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Speaker 3: Learned that this was possible for you, how did it

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00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: make you feel?

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00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh god, now I got chilled. I two moments happened

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00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: to me, or there's been many moments, but pinch me moments.

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00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: And when I was hearing the nose along the way

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Speaker 2: and people are always like network and figure out your

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Speaker 2: next you know your next move and knock on the door,

782
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, what if the door doesn't open,

783
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: or what if it's never been open before that we're

784
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: talking about the reality like a women's never coached and

785
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: but been behind the bench in pro hockey, and so

786
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: what if that you don't even know what that looks

787
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: like and in fact you've knocked and they've said no,

788
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: what do you do? And something that I found myself

789
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: doing and someone recently told me that I did it,

790
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I didn't realize I was doing it.

791
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: But my way of shifting through.

792
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 2: That was I just built my own house and seen

793
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: who would walk through the door, and created my own product,

794
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 2: started my own business. Was obviously an entrepreneur, but I

795
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: obviously in that process or in the journey of doing that,

796
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: I was able to define who I was going to

797
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: be in the hockey space, in the hockey market, the

798
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: product of my coaching, the services that I offered, the

799
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: type of communicator and obviously leader that I could be.

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00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: And when I started small too, I was working with

801
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: kids five years old and eight years old and boys

802
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: and girls, and then grew, you know, junior players started

803
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: showing up.

804
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is awesome. These guys are fun.

805
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: But after coming home from Sweden and Germany working with

806
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: you know some pro players there. The NHL guys started

807
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: to show up, and the opportunity.

808
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: For me completely changed.

809
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: And that was the Aha moment or the moment where

810
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: as they started to show up in numbers, not just

811
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Speaker 2: two three. I'm talking now there's twenty guys on the ice,

812
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: and I'm catching myself running this whole practice. I'm like,

813
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. And I remember a very clear conversation

814
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: I had with Brent Seberrock, who obviously in Canada is

815
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: the household name Stanley Cup champion playing for Chicago Blackhawks

816
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: at that time, a captain, very reputable person and leader.

817
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: And he asked me to do additional private sessions with

818
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 2: him to help his skating. And this is someone who's

819
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: been playing the game, skating the game for decades and

820
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: won and done it all, and he's coming to me,

821
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: a young coach and believes I can help him. For me,

822
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: that gave me one It gave me confidence, but it

823
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: also gave me conviction and what I was doing. And

824
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: he said to me flat out, you're going to coach

825
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: in the NHL someday. It's just a matter of time.

826
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: Don't know when or how, but you're going to do it.

827
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 2: And you're gonna do it on your own. And I

828
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: remember I called my dad right after and I told

829
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Speaker 2: him about that. I was emotional and he's like, it's amazing,

830
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 2: just keep going. And I still didn't know, Like we're

831
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: sitting here, I still didn't know what that looked like.

832
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: And a year and a half later then I get

833
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: that email from Dan to coach in the AHL, which

834
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: wasn't an NHL team, but it was a direct step

835
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: of doing things the right way into the NHL and

836
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: following my path to be prepared. But I still come

837
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: back every single day to my confidence as a coach

838
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: comes in the preparation and the work that I did

839
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: to start my business the way I did, because I

840
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: come back to those relationships, to the way I was

841
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: able to build my product, my voice, And that's the

842
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: leverage and the experience that I bring now to the

843
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: you know, being in the NHL full time, that has

844
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: just been so invaluable. And you know, the advice I

845
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: give to everyone is show up, do the work and

846
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: see where it takes. You. Don't worry about knocking on doors.

847
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, you got a network, you got to

848
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: meet people, You've got to find ways. But if you

849
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: just define yourself and focus on that process, eventually there

850
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: will be there will be a pivotal moment.

851
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Speaker 3: This is about sport, it's not about sport for everything

852
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: in life. When you start to do the work on yourself,

853
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 3: it will pay off tenfold and everything that you're going after.

854
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: It's so inspiring to hear from someone who truly just

855
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: said I am going to do the best I can

856
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: with what I have. That doesn't mean that you weren't

857
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Speaker 3: frustrated about the nose or the doors closing or none

858
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: of the doors opening, right, but it was just like,

859
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 3: instead of letting this get me down and prevent me

860
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: from moving forward, I'm going to figure out how to

861
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: move forward on my own terms. Now, you're a thirty

862
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: two year old coach in the NHL. There are players

863
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: that are older than you. What's that dynamic like for

864
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 3: you to show up and stand in your power not

865
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Speaker 3: only as a woman, but has a thirty two year

866
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Speaker 3: old coach.

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Speaker 4: Telling them what to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because I think obviously even you know,

869
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: I didn't play until I was thirty two obviously, or

870
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 2: even that late in my career, but I think that

871
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: the player changes a lot in their journey, especially as

872
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: a young athlete. And I got off a call with

873
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 2: one of our players who's twenty twenty two, just yesterday

874
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: and talking about his whole kind of was focus in

875
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: his plans, and it's a very different conversation. But some

876
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: of those older guys, the veteran guys, they're so mature

877
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: in there already philosophy understanding. They've had multiple coaches, they've

878
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: been coached probably in ways they've liked and not liked.

879
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: Coach has been hired and fired, and they've gone through

880
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: the cycle of or lived the real realities of being

881
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: a veteran player. And so they're actually, to me, they're

882
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: really easy guys to work with because they understand that,

883
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, every coach kind of enters in on a

884
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: certain point. For me obviously younger, but I think they

885
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: acknowledge right away is that I'm committed to helping players,

886
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: and how I help them looks a little bit different.

887
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: How I support them again is from a place like,

888
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: this is where you're at.

889
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: What can I do to help you unlock.

890
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: Maybe two percent here, ten percent here, Because if we

891
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: do that, that's massive gains for where you're at. So

892
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: it's a different conversation, but it's all again about just

893
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: showing up and them also seeing and learning right away,

894
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: like she's committed to helping players. Doesn't matter like age, gender,

895
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: you leave it out of it. She loves what she does.

896
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: She's prepared, she's creative.

897
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: I think that the work I put forward, I take

898
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: a lot of pride in being very detailed and organized,

899
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: and I think they feel that they see it and

900
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: doesn't matter whether they had that or not, their coaches

901
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 2: or not. I think they don't really have me to

902
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: compare to anyone, and that's always for me. The biggest

903
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,959
Speaker 2: gift in the beauty of being different is I feel

904
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: like I'm not compared a lot of times to my.

905
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Colleagues, though I'm sure I am.

906
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 2: At the same time, I don't feel that I feel

907
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 2: like I create my own path in relationships with each player.

908
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: So it goes beyond age.

909
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that two percent approach I want to talk about that.

910
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 3: It's hard to think in small incremental steps. Sometimes often

911
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 3: times there is a bigger picture goal and it's difficult

912
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: to think of the little amounts of progress and focusing

913
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 3: on those smaller benchmarks that can get you to where

914
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: you want to be. When working with players and trying

915
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 3: to instill that mentality. How do you even go about

916
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 3: explaining it or perhaps portraying the benefits of thinking small

917
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 3: to get to that bigger picture.

918
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of ways to do it. I

919
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: think that if you can do it, you're way ahead

920
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: of most. But something I do when I first work

921
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: with an athlete, as I sit down with them, obviously

922
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: I kind of do a little bit of my digging,

923
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: try to understand who they are as a player, do

924
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: my research of what they are, what type of role,

925
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: what type of identity they are. But I say with

926
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: them pretty much immediately and I create a one page document,

927
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: call it a contract between the two of us. But

928
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: I create, you know, a blueprint for them of who

929
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 2: are you at your best? And I let them tell

930
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: me who are you at your best? What does your

931
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: best game look like?

932
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: And we write it out. I jot it down.

933
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: I obviously have my own thoughts and written notes, but

934
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: I let them define, like my best game looks like X,

935
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: Y Z, And you know, at my best I feel

936
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: like this. You know, I walk away from the rink

937
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: thinking this, and what do I.

938
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Think I do well?

939
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: And what are the things that I think I can

940
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: work on and then we have this kind of conversation

941
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: where there's an ability for me to see them and

942
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: them to acknowledge that I am hearing and listening, and

943
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: then oftentimes I'm unlocking things for them that they haven't seen.

944
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 2: But you're saying you can't do this, but you do

945
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: this really well, and you know if you can shift

946
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: the framework for them to see, Wait a minute, like

947
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: this coach actually thinks I'm more than I am of myself.

948
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: There's this permission of oh wait, there's a whole other

949
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: level that I can reach, and that's something that like

950
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: I said, that process with a younger player is very

951
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: different than a veteran player. But when you sit and

952
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: you define it, then I just create weekly action items

953
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: or priorities like okay, if you want to be let's

954
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: just the centerman and the best in the face off circle,

955
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 2: then you need to be taking face offs every week

956
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: and working on so let's be committed to dropping twenty

957
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: pucks and working on a post practice like I'm going

958
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: to come find you or you come find.

959
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Me, and you lead it.

960
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: But there then an accountability piece of like you can

961
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: say you want to be these things but when you're

962
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: at your best, you're winning face offs. Therefore we can

963
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: define a plan, and that plan then highlights those little

964
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: goals that I think starts to unlock the one percent,

965
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: the two percent, the ten percent. But for me, it's

966
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: always what we come back to, especially after a bad game.

967
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: It's like, we know you weren't moving your feet and

968
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: that's that's not who you are. So it's already a

969
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: place from like an accountability. But then you can come

970
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: back to let's get back to work, let's focus where

971
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: we lost sight of. But it just becomes this bond

972
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 2: between coach and player to figure out what are those

973
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: one percent gains and how do we get to them

974
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: and how do we create that process of working on

975
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: it every day because that's how you get it.

976
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so fun to see you talk about enabling

977
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: the athlete to articulate who it is that they are,

978
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: however they see themselves, and then using that picture to

979
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this is how you see yourself, So

980
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: this is what the next step is.

981
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 4: Is right?

982
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: That baseline is super critical. When you're performing at your best,

983
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: what does that feel.

984
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: Like for you? Who?

985
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: Well, so much of our job is results based winning

986
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: and losing. So obviously after a win, when the team

987
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: performs to the x's and o's, that you drop as

988
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 2: a coach.

989
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the greatest feeling.

990
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: Because you give them a plan, they have the skill

991
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: and the ability to go out and execute it. So

992
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: when they do, and you know, you have that glance

993
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: on the bench, it's like there's a huge fulfillment.

994
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: I get it.

995
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: It's my teachers teach you see the impact. But these

996
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 2: are some of the best players in the world. So

997
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: when I can just make minor adjustments in their game,

998
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: they go out and do it and it makes a

999
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: difference to our team's result. I feel like, Okay, this

1000
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: is this is the golden coaching at the highest level.

1001
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: To find those details, define them, communicate them, give them

1002
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: the tools and confidence to go out and execute it.

1003
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: And it's so cool. It's really cool to watch that.

1004
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: And I love seeing, especially our younger players go and

1005
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 2: take steps that they have yet lived because it reminds

1006
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: me of myself so much of like, you haven't gone there,

1007
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 2: but when you get there.

1008
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: I know you're going to get there, you're in the process.

1009
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: But when you do and then they get there, there's

1010
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: a moment of like, this is what it's about, and

1011
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 2: like you said, there's still so much more to come.

1012
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: And they're so lucky to have someone that like gets

1013
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: excited for them in that way. You look back on

1014
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 3: your first year with the Kraken, what would you say

1015
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: has been the peach and the pit?

1016
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 2: Ooh oh man, Okay, Well, I think that the hockey

1017
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: season presents so many challenges and waves, like literally, you

1018
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: go through growing pains, you go through successes, you come together,

1019
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: you know, the team goes through all of It's like

1020
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: in a family would growing pains, and so you live

1021
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: that as the coaches, and so I think the pit

1022
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: for me to address first is that you carry it

1023
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: so much more as a coach and as a player

1024
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: you're in control and you would almost maybe think this

1025
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: was be flipped. But I can speak to this as

1026
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: a player, you don't feel losses the same way you

1027
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: do as a coach. As a coach, you go back home,

1028
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: you lose sleep over it, You go back to the

1029
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: drawing board, you try to find a new answer, but

1030
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: you realize the answer is what it was. You just

1031
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 2: got to stick to it or you have to ask

1032
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: harder questions and you just live in that. You have

1033
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 2: to live in that loss longer to navigate what's the

1034
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: next step or what's the answer. So for me, that

1035
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 2: was there was some challenges around going through that more

1036
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: emotionally on just the microscopic level of the National Hockey

1037
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: League where wins and losses are far more analyzed.

1038
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: Do you think that that is specific to you as

1039
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: a coach and your personality and being an empathetic person

1040
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: if you think that's across all coaches.

1041
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: I think every coach would attest that it's something real.

1042
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: For me, probably more because I carry a lot of

1043
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: I do everything wholeheartedly and try to pour myself into

1044
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: sometimes things that I realized the veteran coaches I'm taking

1045
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 2: mentorship from, they're like, you can't care so much, unlike

1046
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: you're right. So I'm learning the balance of like, you know,

1047
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: being like just a it's a double edged sword really

1048
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: to that approach.

1049
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: But it is real.

1050
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is real, Okay, the peach, it's pretty cool.

1051
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1052
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: This This year for me was obviously different from any

1053
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 2: hockey season because I was coaching and I was so

1054
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: in the trenches of being behind the bench and obviously

1055
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: doing my job. But then I felt like there was

1056
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: this whole other world and movement and thing happening behind me,

1057
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: with fan base and young girls and even young boys

1058
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: and women coming behind the bench and warm ups with

1059
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: signs and tears and Campbell shirts and things where.

1060
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: I never imagined that.

1061
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 2: You know, if you would have told me ten five,

1062
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: ten years ago that you'd be in this position, there

1063
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: would be little girls holding up signs, Sam, I can

1064
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: coach in the NHL someday, or I dream.

1065
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: Of being you, I would pinch me.

1066
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: But I never thought that that could ever be in

1067
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: the position of blazing a trail and doing it in

1068
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: a way where I get to do what I love

1069
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: every single day. You know, it's the greatest gift and honor,

1070
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: and I just feel so much pride and just motivated

1071
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: through having that purpose and intent behind what I do.

1072
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: Because anytime you get to lace up the skates for

1073
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: me and get to share my love and passion for hockey,

1074
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: it's already the greatest job in the world. But when

1075
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: you get to do it with knowing that something good

1076
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: can come of it, or a new dream can be

1077
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: you know, imagined, or a new conversation can be had

1078
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 2: at the dinner table after a game, or a new

1079
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 2: hockey fan becomes one just because they now see themselves

1080
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: in a space that they've never imagined before. And to

1081
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: do that in a city like Seattle, a new hockey market,

1082
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: where sometimes I see young kids it's their first game

1083
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: ever and they won't ever know a day in men's

1084
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: professional sports that a woman doesn't belong in it. And

1085
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: to me, that doesn't just say something to young girls

1086
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: a minute, it says something to young boys as well,

1087
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: and what leadership can look like, and that visibility is

1088
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: really not that important that you can still you can

1089
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: still have the permission to believe in dreams that seem crazy.

1090
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: And obviously I take back what I just said around

1091
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: visibility is not important, because it is important, but it

1092
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: doesn't truly matter in the end, because you can do

1093
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: things that look hard to others, are unimaginable, and I

1094
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: feel the greatest joy in the world they get to

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 2: do that in a city that takes a lot of.

1096
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 3: Pride in It's so awesome and I can't even imagine

1097
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: the feelings that come up as you are standing at

1098
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 3: that bench and you see signs behind you and young

1099
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: girls behind you, and it's just something.

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00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 4: That when you were a young girl, you didn't see right.

1101
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: And I couldn't.

1102
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: There's you know, there was a moment this year that

1103
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 2: kind of inspired this little creative movement.

1104
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: Through through my year.

1105
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: But there was a little girl that came to a

1106
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 2: first NHLD game in Dallas and she brought a friendship

1107
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: bracelet in it it said JC run the World on it.

1108
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: It was the cutest little thing and it had a

1109
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: number eight.

1110
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: She threw it over the glass.

1111
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: Her mom was like, you know, filming the whole thing,

1112
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: and she threw it all the way over the over

1113
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: the boards, landed on the ice. A couple of our

1114
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: guys skated over it, almost picked it up, brought it over,

1115
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: took a moment like had a good little chuckle and laugh,

1116
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: but you could see there was an acknowledgment of what

1117
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: that meant between our players, the little girl for me,

1118
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: and that was a moment where I realized, you know what,

1119
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: I have to do more.

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: I need to do my.

1121
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: Job, but I can do more of connecting with young kids.

1122
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 2: And so you know, my best friend started making friendship

1123
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: bracelets for me, and now you know, I try to

1124
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: give them out at every game when I can find

1125
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: a way to connect with a fan because you just

1126
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: never know. And I think to that little girl, if

1127
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: that was me, what that would have meant for me

1128
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: in that moment. So I'm trying to just be as

1129
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 2: present with it all, take it all in and learn

1130
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: along the way. But it is a crazy, beautiful journey

1131
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 2: and hockey's the best sport in the world.

1132
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: The doors are opening and it's exciting.

1133
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: And as you look ahead, now, what would you say

1134
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 3: are the goals on your horizon?

1135
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: I mean, my first goal and primary goal is I

1136
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: want to win a Stanley Cup. I really want to

1137
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: lift and hoists to Stanley Cup like I did and

1138
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: dreamt of as a kid. That would be the first

1139
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: primary focus.

1140
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: Beyond that, I mean, I don't know.

1141
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: I could see myself as a head coach one day

1142
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: and regardless of when and how, and just going to

1143
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: follow my path and try to develop as much as

1144
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: I can as.

1145
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: A coach and see where that goes. But I do.

1146
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: Believe still that there's some unknowns and some barriers to

1147
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: be broken, and maybe someone does it before.

1148
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: Me, that would be even greater.

1149
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're in a spot now, I think in

1150
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: sport and women are in our industry now holding the

1151
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 2: door open for others, and it's you know, We've had

1152
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: allies that have walked through the door with us, and

1153
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: seats are at the table, and I'm just one of

1154
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: many that I'm really proud of being on a long

1155
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: list of in the league. So to know what could come,

1156
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: I would be crazy to still say I don't know,

1157
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: but got to win a Stanley Cup.

1158
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: God. I mean, can you even imagine if you told

1159
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: yourself like ten years ago that you would be saying

1160
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: the sentence like one day aspire to be a head coach.

1161
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 4: In the NHL.

1162
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: No, I probably wouldn't have believed you, right, nor would

1163
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: many of people.

1164
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so it's so spectacular and so magical and truly, again,

1165
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: such a testament to your work ethic and how far

1166
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: that you've come. Right now, someone goes to your Instagram

1167
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: page and they see you standing as an assistant coach

1168
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 3: in the NHL, someone that is paving the way for

1169
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: so many. When they see you, they think that they

1170
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: too can aspire to be you and whatever that looks

1171
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: like for them in their own capacity.

1172
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 4: But when you look in.

1173
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 3: The mirror, Jessica, what is it that you see looking

1174
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: back at you.

1175
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: Wow. I don't know if anyone has asked me that

1176
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: question before. I see someone who is full of passion

1177
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: and drive and determination to be the best version of themself.

1178
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 4: Every day.

1179
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: I see someone who's vulnerable and.

1180
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 2: Failed a lot along the way. But in turn, I

1181
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 2: think I see strength. And I know that when I

1182
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: show up every day and I lace up my skates

1183
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: and again I look in the mirror and I tie

1184
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: my hairback, I know that I see that person. I

1185
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: see the person that can make a difference in someone

1186
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: else's lives, and that I have gifts and abilities given

1187
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: to me as a coach and as a leader to

1188
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 2: share it and to.

1189
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 1: Not hold it back.

1190
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: And you know, I always try to remind myself of

1191
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: that power, and I think that starts with who you

1192
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: look at, and being able to look in the mirror

1193
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: is sometimes harder, and having real conversations with yourself and

1194
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: letting go of some of the fears and the unknown

1195
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: and the things that I think can just completely distract

1196
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: what we're capable of doing, and looking at the core

1197
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: of who we are and how that can make up

1198
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: people better.

1199
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: That's who I see.

1200
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be your amans.

1201
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: I mean it sounds like you're feeling quite fulfilled in

1202
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: your professional career.

1203
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: How are you feeling personally?

1204
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: I am now in the off season.

1205
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we didn't make playoffs, so still discouraged by the

1206
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 2: way it ended. But at the same time, I feel

1207
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: hopeful and excited knowing you know, when you're under my belt,

1208
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: learned a lot, saw a lot, felt a lot. I

1209
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: would be lying if I didn't say I was tired.

1210
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally understanding.

1211
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: Probably can hear it to my voice.

1212
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm definitely trying to do a lot or reflecting. So

1213
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 2: I think I'm feeling a lot of emotions, especially as

1214
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: of late, of just navigating what the whole year meant,

1215
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: what's to come, and knowing how I can play a

1216
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: big part in the next step next year, but at

1217
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: the same time reflecting on how great this year was

1218
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: for me and allowing myself to feel the goods and

1219
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: the highs and the lows and come to a place say, okay,

1220
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: let's use that again.

1221
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: Is fuel to the fire, and you'll chase another year.

1222
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: Me.

1223
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 4: How do you feel personally?

1224
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 3: You let me talk about how I'm preparing for my

1225
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: next year of work.

1226
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I'm unpacked, as I haven't digesting it all,

1227
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: unpacking it.

1228
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm also preparing the beauty of coaching. You have no time,

1229
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: no time, no.

1230
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: I totally understand, and I am very much operating from

1231
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: the same engine.

1232
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 4: So I hear that.

1233
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 3: Well, as we wind down here right now, you have

1234
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 3: an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice. Let's

1235
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,439
Speaker 3: go back to the hurdle moment where you weren't sure

1236
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: what was going to happen for you next professionally. You

1237
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: know you were doing these workshops and hoping to figure

1238
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 3: it out, but it was well before you knew that

1239
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: that email was going to hit your inbox. Right now,

1240
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 3: knowing what you know now, what advice would you offer

1241
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 3: yourself going through that hurdle moment?

1242
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 2: I would say that usually the scariest moment is going

1243
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 2: to be the catalyst or the defining moment for what's

1244
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: the greatest thing to come and to embrace it. I

1245
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: think in that moment, I was terrified. I was concerned.

1246
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to live in that space and

1247
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 2: embrace that feeling. But I had to just trust and

1248
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: let go. And I'm not someone who's ever been good

1249
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: at just letting go and letting go of control, and

1250
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: so I would tell myself to let go and just

1251
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: trust and know that it's going to happen if it's

1252
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: meant to happen. If it doesn't happen, it will eventually

1253
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: read this will redirect you to what's supposed to happen.

1254
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: So trust that process and figure out how to let

1255
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: go of the fear and the anxiety that comes with

1256
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: not being able to control outcomes, because they're going to

1257
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 2: happen anyways, for the right reasons.

1258
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 4: They're going to happen anyways.

1259
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 3: Jessica Gamble, I'm so excited that we were able to

1260
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 3: do this today. For those that want to keep up

1261
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: with you, follow along with you. Where do they find

1262
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: you on the internet? Supio Weight that's it.

1263
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: That's it.

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcast.

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 3: Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys next time.