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Speaker 1: A K A hey shady lady from the boss Level Podcast,
Speaker 1: your twitch streamer, a Youtuber, Um, a colleague of my
Speaker 1: nemesis and also the editor of our podcasts, Daniel Yes yes,
Speaker 1: one day I will destroy him, but today he knows why, Sophie. Today, though,
Speaker 1: today we're talking about Dr William Sadler, his wife Lena
Speaker 1: and their career as pop psychologists slash eugenicists and, uh now,
Speaker 1: debunkers of automatic writing and mediumship. Final, Amena. So they've
Speaker 1: they've pivoted. As we hit part two now and we
Speaker 1: talked about automatic writing. Right, that is basically somebody claims
Speaker 1: to have been taken over by some sort of entity
Speaker 1: that is not them, that is writing using their body. Right,
Speaker 1: if you've ever seen six cents, they have the kid.
Speaker 1: I think it's the kid in sixth sense that does
Speaker 1: automatic writing. Um, I think that. I think Bruce Willis
Speaker 1: the therapist, tells him to like just write and eventually
Speaker 1: your real words that you need to say are going
Speaker 1: to come out, and then it's just all the ghosts angry,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the mom friends and she's like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, what's wrong with my kid? That's actually
Speaker 1: how I write all of these podcasts. Okay, yes, all
Speaker 1: of these podcasts are automatically written by me channeling various ghosts. Um,
Speaker 1: it's good ship. It's ghosts written by ghosts. This one
Speaker 1: oddly enough, written by the Ghost of Joseph Stalin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a lot more vulgar than I thought. Yeah, out,
Speaker 1: that's that's J stall so uh. Anyway, the most prominent
Speaker 1: proponent of automatic writing in the post war era was
Speaker 1: Sir Oliver Lodge, a well known physicist and a pioneer
Speaker 1: in the science of radio waves. Lodge lost a son
Speaker 1: in Belgium in Nineteen fifteen to a German artillery shell
Speaker 1: and then a younger brother to the flu in Nineteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: So he's kind of like the human embodiment of this
Speaker 1: like wave of grief that brings people to spiritualism in
Speaker 1: the post war era. He also lost a brother in
Speaker 1: law in Belgium in nineteen fourteen, but who gives a
Speaker 1: shit about brother in laws, right Um, anyway, so much
Speaker 1: loss spurs him to explore life after death and in
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixteen he writes a book about a series of
Speaker 1: contacts he claimed to have had with his dead son, Raymond.
Speaker 1: Lodge and his wife sat with several mediums who attempted
Speaker 1: to communicate with their boy through tactics like table tilting
Speaker 1: and automatic writing, and I write up history dot com
Speaker 1: notes and his messages Raymond offered a comforting vision of
Speaker 1: the great beyond, complete with flowers, trees, dogs, cats and birds.
Speaker 1: He repeatedly assured his parents that he was happy. He
Speaker 1: told them he'd reconnected with his great grandfather, with his
Speaker 1: great grandfather, with his late grandfather, plus a brother and
Speaker 1: sister who died in infancy, and made many new friends.
Speaker 1: He reported that soldiers who had lost an arm and
Speaker 1: battle found it magically restored, although those who had been
Speaker 1: blown to pieces took a bit longer to become whole.
Speaker 1: And I do love the vision of like an afterlife
Speaker 1: that's perfect. But also, if you get blown up, it
Speaker 1: takes a while to get unblown up. Like it's not
Speaker 1: that perfect. The afterlife there's still like ship they gotta
Speaker 1: deal with right. You gotta Wait To get rebuilt. If
Speaker 1: that happens to you, it's kind of cool. Um. Dr
Speaker 1: William Sadler heartily rejected the claims of supernatural experiences published
Speaker 1: by people like lodge, but he would later claim in
Speaker 1: nineteen eleven he was reached out to by a neighbor
Speaker 1: who was concerned that her husband would occasionally lapse into
Speaker 1: a deep sleep and breathe abnormally. She was unable to
Speaker 1: rouse him. During these episodes, the doctor Sadler agreed to
Speaker 1: sit with the sleeping subject, as he was known, and
Speaker 1: take notes on what he did. At some point he
Speaker 1: began to speak. In one party who was present at
Speaker 1: the time recorded what occurred. Quote. The subject was moistening
Speaker 1: his lips. Perhaps we should ask a question. How are
Speaker 1: you feeling? To the great astonishment of everyone, the subject spoke,
Speaker 1: but the voice was peculiar, not his normal voice. The
Speaker 1: voice identified itself as a student visitor on an observation
Speaker 1: mission from another planet. This being, apparently was conversing through
Speaker 1: the sleeping subject by some means, and this then became
Speaker 1: a common occurrence. So while he's like a debunker and
Speaker 1: going around and he's doing like these big show debunkings
Speaker 1: with his friend the magician, he starts talking with this
Speaker 1: visitor who claims to be like in the body of
Speaker 1: like a guy who lives in his apartment building Um,
Speaker 1: and they start taking notes on what this this being
Speaker 1: is saying. And again the timeline is all funked up here.
Speaker 1: The book that Saddler writes about this isn't published until
Speaker 1: the fifties. Most sources will say that the first visitation.
Speaker 1: The first time he talks to this guy will he's
Speaker 1: channeling someone. Happens in nineteen eleven. Some claims say nineteen
Speaker 1: O six. This probably never happened at all. So it's
Speaker 1: again entirely, you know, academic. But Sadler later claims it
Speaker 1: starts in like nineteen eleven or so Um, and his
Speaker 1: claim is that like this, this other, this person who's
Speaker 1: like being possessed in the night, is being possessed by
Speaker 1: a student visitor, basically an intern from these advanced spiritual
Speaker 1: beings who won't run like a Galactic Federation. So basically
Speaker 1: there's like intern is hanging out and looking at earth
Speaker 1: and like talking through this sleeping man to our buddy
Speaker 1: William Sadler. Starting in the sleepers switched from speaking with
Speaker 1: the voice of a visitor while passed out to doing
Speaker 1: automatic writing, producing voluminous handwritten documents with filled with fantastic
Speaker 1: stories about this alien civilization. So, against saddler claims, this
Speaker 1: goes on for decades. There's no evidence whatsoever of this. Um.
Speaker 1: The first writing that we have by Sadler on the
Speaker 1: matter was published in a nineteen twenty nine book the
Speaker 1: mind and mischief, which is mostly a debunking of mediums
Speaker 1: in psychics. In the appendix he wrote about two cases
Speaker 1: he could not adequately explain, including this one quote. The
Speaker 1: other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case
Speaker 1: of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify.
Speaker 1: I was brought into contact with it in the summer
Speaker 1: of nineteen eleven and I have had it under my
Speaker 1: observation more or less ever since, having been present at
Speaker 1: probably two and fifty of the night sessions, many of
Speaker 1: which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes.
Speaker 1: A thorough study of this case has convinced me that
Speaker 1: it is not one of ordinary trance. This man is
Speaker 1: utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place and, unless
Speaker 1: told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been
Speaker 1: used as a sort of clearing house for the coming
Speaker 1: and going of alleged extra planetary personalities. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive
Speaker 1: comparison failed to show that the written or spoken messages
Speaker 1: of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much
Speaker 1: of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary
Speaker 1: to his habits of thought, to the way in which
Speaker 1: he has been taught and to his entire philosophy. In fact,
Speaker 1: of much that we have secured, we have failed to
Speaker 1: find anything of its nature in existence. So basically he's
Speaker 1: like this guy is a normal, boring, asked Christian like
Speaker 1: me and he's telling all these fantastic stories about aliens.
Speaker 1: Clearly that means they're real. It's just you keep the word,
Speaker 1: you keep using as grift and it's all I'm thinking
Speaker 1: is this guy, saddler, has established himself as an expert
Speaker 1: on debunking spiritual psychic phenomena, except my friend over here,
Speaker 1: because WHO's legit? Yeah, and it's he claims nineteen eleven,
Speaker 1: because that puts it before the spiritual is the spiritualism
Speaker 1: like craze bursts. There's no evidence of him claiming that
Speaker 1: this guy exists to other people until like the late twenties,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't publish anything about this until the fifties.
Speaker 1: So again, I think he's I think he's made up
Speaker 1: a lot of this. Obviously, at some point there is
Speaker 1: a larger group of people that he's reportedly going back to.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second. So who the
Speaker 1: sleeping subject was has never been made clear. Saddler and
Speaker 1: his fall. Followers would later claim he had been, quote,
Speaker 1: a hard boiled businessman, member of the Board of Trade
Speaker 1: and Stock Exchange, in order to make him seem more credible.
Speaker 1: It was. It was one of Dr Harvey Kellogg's sons.
Speaker 1: It was like his brother in law. It was a
Speaker 1: Kellogg keeping the family yeah. At any rate, this right
Speaker 1: up from the rootledge text ufo religions, edited by Christopher Partridge,
Speaker 1: tells the next part of the story. Later, two other
Speaker 1: people were admitted to witness the events, one of whom
Speaker 1: became the secretary. Together, the six people involved became known
Speaker 1: as the contact commission, although it was only ever the
Speaker 1: sleeping subject who was used as the actual contact. William
Speaker 1: Sadler's initial explanation for the event was that it was
Speaker 1: being generated by the mind of the individual. However, he
Speaker 1: had abandoned this initial diagnosis of automatic speaking after examining
Speaker 1: the sleeping subject under hypnosis. Similarly, further attempts to find
Speaker 1: another scientific answer failed. The sleeping subject was also viewed
Speaker 1: by Sadler as being in good health and any notion
Speaker 1: of him suffering from any form of psychiatric ailment was
Speaker 1: refuted by Sadler. So again we know that this is
Speaker 1: real because we hypnotized him and he didn't admit to
Speaker 1: having faked it. Right, great, solid. That seems bulletproof. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler. So more detail on the contact commission comes
Speaker 1: from the Book God talk, which described and then that's
Speaker 1: by our buddy the gooch, which describes it, as quote,
Speaker 1: a tightly interwoven incestuous family units. So this contact commission,
Speaker 1: which is always described in these very business like terms
Speaker 1: in order to make it seem like well, as a scientist,
Speaker 1: I immediately put together a commission of people who can
Speaker 1: analyze this. It's all saddlers and Kellogg's right like. It's
Speaker 1: all family. It's a bunch of his like Kim The stenographer,
Speaker 1: is there adopted adult daughter Um. There's never any good
Speaker 1: reason given as to why Sadler found this example of
Speaker 1: automatic writing to be legitimate by but it rejected all
Speaker 1: other mediums and their ilk. Some sources claim he continued
Speaker 1: to doubt that this person was real, was really channeling
Speaker 1: anything up until nineteen thirty six, and that it was
Speaker 1: his wife, Lena who was the major impulse to keep
Speaker 1: having these conversations with aliens Um. And it's worth noting
Speaker 1: that there's only really two major differences between this case,
Speaker 1: which Sadler declared real, and other automatic writing claims from
Speaker 1: the same period. Number One, the sources here are intergalactic
Speaker 1: alien governmental interns and not spirits or divine entities, which
Speaker 1: is a change Um. And number two, the claims they
Speaker 1: make are replete with specific scientific claims. So they're making
Speaker 1: specific scientific claims about space and the universe. Um, some
Speaker 1: of these claims are very wrong. They claim that the
Speaker 1: Universe is eight hundred and fifty billion years old. It's
Speaker 1: it's not. I mean it's like fifty billions, something like that.
Speaker 1: They make claims about like how planets formed via a
Speaker 1: cretion where, which has also generally been debunked. Other claims
Speaker 1: are kind of weirdly close. They make a claim about
Speaker 1: the speed of light. That isn't far off. Um, had
Speaker 1: that already been established at that time? No, no, again,
Speaker 1: this is the fucking twenties and stuff that they're they're
Speaker 1: putting this out, although the book isn't published until the fifties.
Speaker 1: So then again, like when some of this has been
Speaker 1: it's a mix Um, but that is something that's different, right.
Speaker 1: Is there actually they're actually making like sci fi claims here,
Speaker 1: like it's like it's like star Trek technobabble stuff. It's
Speaker 1: nearly all bullshit, um, but the fact that they are
Speaker 1: putting out specific scientific claims in their automatic writing is
Speaker 1: really different, because nearly all of this is just kind
Speaker 1: of spiritual in nature as opposed to yeah, it just
Speaker 1: makes me think of like l Ron Hubbard and scientology.
Speaker 1: I don't have this kind of like like full I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to call it a philosophy
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I'm I'm very involved in the Tarot
Speaker 1: communities and the witchy magical realm or whatever, and as
Speaker 1: soon as somebody tells me that they're the only person
Speaker 1: that has contact with a specific alien, I run directions,
Speaker 1: as you're the only one that has access to this
Speaker 1: information and it's some you know, mystical being that only
Speaker 1: talks to you. Okay, I'm out ahead and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: You see what they're doing here. They're trying to make
Speaker 1: it not seem like that by saying, well, there's a
Speaker 1: commission of people, but and eventually it's a few hundred,
Speaker 1: but none of them talk directly to the subject. So
Speaker 1: the subject will write a bunch of ships and they'll
Speaker 1: present it to this big meeting of this forum of
Speaker 1: folks and then people will like write up questions or
Speaker 1: vote on questions to ask and they're just given another
Speaker 1: sheet the next week, but none of them get to
Speaker 1: see it get written. It's claimed to be this great
Speaker 1: mystery how the writing gets to anyone. Like the pages
Speaker 1: just appear the next morning and they say, like we
Speaker 1: had people watching over him while he was sleeping and
Speaker 1: then they turned their back for a second and there
Speaker 1: were pages. You know, like it's never clear exactly where
Speaker 1: the pages come from, but obviously nobody ever sees them, Um,
Speaker 1: get written. So that's that's fine. Um, again like spoilers.
Speaker 1: But it's probably Sadler who's writing. Everyone was gonna say
Speaker 1: it's fine because Sadler says it's okay. He's an expert here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Um, and yeah, you can see shades of
Speaker 1: Helena Blovotsky here, right, because she's and I think that
Speaker 1: that's probably who saddler is aping, because blovotsky again kind
Speaker 1: of comes into prominence in the late eighteen hundreds as
Speaker 1: an anti spiritualist, like pushing a very different set of things.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't believe that people are talking to the dead.
Speaker 1: They're talking to spirits, and like these spirits are telling
Speaker 1: people stories of this vaxed epic Spanning Racial History. Right,
Speaker 1: Blovotsky has got these ancient masters who are remnants of
Speaker 1: an underground super race who started civilization, whereas you can
Speaker 1: kind of see what what saddler is doing as a
Speaker 1: derivation of that. Right, because the people he's talking to
Speaker 1: are these like alien kind of spirits who are basically
Speaker 1: representatives of this Galactic Federation who are telling people, or
Speaker 1: who are telling humans about like, uh, what's actually happening
Speaker 1: in the universe and earth's place in it. Um, the
Speaker 1: the aliens who are controlling the subject's body and doing
Speaker 1: the automatic writing, are called midwayers. Uh, and yeah, they're
Speaker 1: they're giving out all this sci fi ship. So, according
Speaker 1: to the revelations given by the subject to the contact commission,
Speaker 1: which are eventually bundled into a collection of writing called
Speaker 1: the arantia papers, the center of the universe, Um is
Speaker 1: a perfect well, the center of the multiverse, because this
Speaker 1: is a multiverse thing too, right, there's a bunch of Universes,
Speaker 1: at the center of all the universes. The backstory of
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. Okay, yes, yes, very much so. So at
Speaker 1: the center of all of the UNIVERSES is a perfect
Speaker 1: universe called Hayvona, which is created by God to be
Speaker 1: the eternal core of perfection. It's basically heaven, but heaven's
Speaker 1: got like millions of worlds and trillions of people and
Speaker 1: it's like it's built to be perfect and it's always perfect.
Speaker 1: And then all of the other universes outside of it
Speaker 1: start out as chaotic and they're free and imperfect, and
Speaker 1: so people can choose good or evil and each isn't like.
Speaker 1: Each of these universes outside of Havona isn't created by God,
Speaker 1: they're created by one of his sons. He has a
Speaker 1: shipload of kids, like is fucking blasting out babies in
Speaker 1: this in this in this cosmology Um. And so the
Speaker 1: goal of each of these universes is to gradually work
Speaker 1: towards perfection and become as perfect as Havona. Um. In
Speaker 1: order to achieve this, God lays out an intricate interstellar
Speaker 1: bureaucracy between all the trillions of worlds and inhabited universes
Speaker 1: and ex worlds are grouped into this category. And then
Speaker 1: all of the different systems or this and then the
Speaker 1: different galaxies, Yada, Yada, Yada. The multiverse is a big bureaucracy. Um.
Speaker 1: The spirits go into detail about this, but it is
Speaker 1: not interesting. Um. As a general rule, the way things
Speaker 1: work is that life carriers seed each world with life
Speaker 1: and then different children of God guide each world towards
Speaker 1: perfection by sending light skinned, blue eyed aliens named Adam
Speaker 1: and eve down to upstep the natives by breeding with them.
Speaker 1: And lest they seem too area, and I should not
Speaker 1: know that Adam and eve are also eight feet tall
Speaker 1: and have shimmering bodies. Um, this is like an Anaki,
Speaker 1: like the that's where this comes from, Annochi, big and
Speaker 1: certain strains of q and on another kind of yeah, spiritual.
Speaker 1: This is again. This is in the thirties, right, so
Speaker 1: this is kind of precursor to all of that ship. Um. Now, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it's also includes a lot of eugenics, e ship, because again,
Speaker 1: the idea is that you have these life created on
Speaker 1: these planets and then Adam and Eve's are sent down,
Speaker 1: which is like Adam and Eve is a job, right,
Speaker 1: that certain perfect beings are given in order to upstep races.
Speaker 1: So they go in and they're supposed to interbreed with
Speaker 1: the natives enough that quote, inferior stocks will be eliminated
Speaker 1: and there will be one purified race, one language and
Speaker 1: one religion, according to Gardner's summary of things. Now, that's
Speaker 1: what's supposed to happen, but things go wrong on our world,
Speaker 1: which is known as Urantia, right, we're earth is ARANTIA. Now,
Speaker 1: Urantia is unique among the planets in the cosmos because
Speaker 1: it develops life independently from the children of God, and
Speaker 1: the Life Cedars are carriers. So the son of God
Speaker 1: who was supposed to manage upstepping life on earth is Lucifer,
Speaker 1: but he and his chief assistant, Satan, decided to rebel instead. Um,
Speaker 1: they advocate for, quote, self assertion and Liberty for themselves
Speaker 1: and the people on Arantia. And this is a bad thing, right.
Speaker 1: This is framed as a bad thing. Satan, are two
Speaker 1: different entities. There are two different entities and they are
Speaker 1: they are fucking shipped up on our idea. Yeah, I'M
Speaker 1: gonna quote next from the book ufo religions. Adam and Eve,
Speaker 1: a son and daughter of the local system, arrived and
Speaker 1: began the difficult task of attempting to untable the confused
Speaker 1: affairs of a planet retarded by rebellion and resting under
Speaker 1: the ban of spiritual isolation. According to the RANTIA papers,
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve were too impatient with the mission and
Speaker 1: wanted immediate results, but the results thus secured proved most
Speaker 1: disastrous both to themselves and to their world. That is,
Speaker 1: they failed to adhere to the mission God set out
Speaker 1: for them. Now, all that's a little confusing, and parsing
Speaker 1: language from the book of Rantia into regular people talk
Speaker 1: can be a little difficult, so I'm going to read
Speaker 1: a summary from a write up in inverse to clarify
Speaker 1: what is supposed to have happened. Adam and Eve messed up. So,
Speaker 1: having failed to achieve race harmonization by the edamic technique,
Speaker 1: part two, the local universe section of the book tells us,
Speaker 1: you must now work out your planetary problem of race
Speaker 1: improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control.
Speaker 1: In case there is any confusion as to what that means,
Speaker 1: paper fifty one of the Rantia book says the inferior
Speaker 1: and unfit are largely eliminated. It seems that you ought
Speaker 1: to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshipping of
Speaker 1: your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate and anti social stocks.
Speaker 1: Weird because, like the Q and on, and like the
Speaker 1: modern people that are like new age anti Semitic, they're
Speaker 1: afraid of this. They're not, generally speaking, they're not. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but from what I've seen of it,
Speaker 1: they're not for this behavior. They're like trying to wake
Speaker 1: up the people to the fact that this is what
Speaker 1: the conspiracy is behind the scenes, the deep state or
Speaker 1: whatever is actually doing. They are, although you might also
Speaker 1: note that at kind of the same time they're, UM,
Speaker 1: they're really paranoid about uh orright like. It might also
Speaker 1: be worth noting that, like, at the same time they
Speaker 1: are talking about like a purging of certain types of
Speaker 1: people from the planet, right like. That's always a major factor.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, interesting stuff, but yeah, that's that's UH.
Speaker 1: And it's also kind of worth noting that the term disfellowshipping,
Speaker 1: which is in the Rantia book, that's what it calls
Speaker 1: like the elimination of specific races, the biologic disfellowshipping. When
Speaker 1: you get kicked out of the seventh day adventist church,
Speaker 1: that's called disfellowshipping right. It's a very specific term that
Speaker 1: they use. The fellowship I'm familiar. So it's interesting again
Speaker 1: in terms of evidence, that it's Saddler who wrote this.
Speaker 1: These aliens write a lot like former seventh adventists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really interesting to see how much of
Speaker 1: like this lore was built in the late eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: to the early nine and the echoes are h still
Speaker 1: impacting us today in like the new age communities and
Speaker 1: stuff like. People are still echoing a lot of these
Speaker 1: beliefs as fact and it's like these people this like
Speaker 1: little intricate whatever the word, the phrase was, the incestuous
Speaker 1: family unit or created all of this and then still,
Speaker 1: a hundred years later, like it's still echoing throughout as fact. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's awesome and it's also cool that, like again you
Speaker 1: can see these aliens, which are supposedly like enlightened galactic beings,
Speaker 1: write an awful lot like a former seventh day adventist
Speaker 1: who superindo eugenics. Like, weirdly they seem to be that
Speaker 1: kind of they seem a lot like William Sadler. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say they probably just cluded on Sadler because
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, he gets us, yeah, he gets us. Well,
Speaker 1: that's what so they will later in the book that
Speaker 1: comes out of us. Will later claim that, like Sadler's
Speaker 1: whole life was manipulated by these aliens to prepare him
Speaker 1: for their revelations. So, like that's why he became and
Speaker 1: then left the seventh day adventist faith and got into eugenics,
Speaker 1: as they were, they were guiding him to being ready
Speaker 1: to be like a vessel for this stuff. But you
Speaker 1: know who else is a vessel for eugenics? The products
Speaker 1: and services that support this podcast, Sophie and I are
Speaker 1: entirely sponsored by big eugenics. So I would like to
Speaker 1: be excluded from this narrative. That's too bad, Sophie. I
Speaker 1: refuse to disfellowship you. You know, part of me is
Speaker 1: like all. But then you just accused me of eugenics.
Speaker 1: So No, just of being spawnsored, Sophie, of being sponsored
Speaker 1: by eugenics. No, I'm good. The thanks so hard. Pass
Speaker 1: on the sponsored by eugenics platform that you're standing on, Sophie.
Speaker 1: Look whom, Stamonga is not sponsored by the concept of Eugenics?
Speaker 1: That's what I had to ask. Well, not anymore. We're
Speaker 1: back and we're talking about our sponsors. Big Eugenics, big EUGENICS,
Speaker 1: let's give why not? Huh? That's the that's their mode.
Speaker 1: Why not? Huh? It's a good time. Okay, well, that's
Speaker 1: one opinion. Anyway. You might have noted from that last
Speaker 1: bit that, while most of the revelations we've talked about
Speaker 1: seemed to be like a harmless sci fi cookie shit,
Speaker 1: a lot of it kind of sounds like a genocidal
Speaker 1: rant about purging the world of like inferior races, like
Speaker 1: stuff that you could fit into Nazi propaganda pretty easily.
Speaker 1: And again, this is because it's all written by Dr
Speaker 1: William Sadler. Part of why we know this is that, Duh.
Speaker 1: Part of why we know this is that people who
Speaker 1: have analyzed the book since after its publication note that
Speaker 1: large segments of it are plagiarized almost word for word
Speaker 1: from other books, including his books about eugenics. Very big brain. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he didn't assume anyone would ever have like find and
Speaker 1: replace in a in a Um. So yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is basically a mix of his like
Speaker 1: adventist beliefs, his eugenicist beliefs in like pop psychology of
Speaker 1: the day, sandwiched between like weird pseudo Christian and like
Speaker 1: alien stuff. I'M gonna quote from inverse again. Starting around
Speaker 1: five thousand years ago, six colored races appeared on Orantia red, orange, yellow, green,
Speaker 1: blue and indigo. The earlier races are somewhat superior to
Speaker 1: the later, again because they're close to Adam and eve.
Speaker 1: The Red Man stands far ablow above the indigo or
Speaker 1: black race, says paper fifty one of the Orantia book,
Speaker 1: and each succeeding evolutionary manifestation of a distinct group of
Speaker 1: mortals represents variation at the expense of the original endowment. Furthermore,
Speaker 1: the Yellow Ray usually enslaves the green while the blue man,
Speaker 1: which corresponds to Caucasians, subdues the indigo or black. So
Speaker 1: the ORANTIA book does not limit its racism to oblique references,
Speaker 1: uh quote. In fact, pertext, evil in the form of
Speaker 1: illness and disease exists because unfit people's like Australian natives
Speaker 1: and the Bushman and pygmies of Africa. These miserable remnants
Speaker 1: of the Non Social Peoples of ancient times haven't been eliminated.
Speaker 1: Eugenics is the way to correct this error. So that's
Speaker 1: the RANTIA book saying that, like, basically indigenous people and
Speaker 1: Africans need to be eliminated. They were supposed to be
Speaker 1: eliminated by Satan and Lucifer, but in their rebellions, Satan
Speaker 1: and Lucifer and Adam and Eve didn't didn't do this.
Speaker 1: So we have, so we have to now, right. That's
Speaker 1: what Eugenics is necessary because earth isn't following interstellar law.
Speaker 1: But maybe it shouldn't, like I'm sitting here thinking about it,
Speaker 1: maybe Satan and Lucifer are right. Like the indigenous people
Speaker 1: of like Australia and Africa and wherever else, we're living
Speaker 1: in harmony with nature and as soon as it's like colonized,
Speaker 1: we start overproducing things and, you know, destroying the land
Speaker 1: and everything. So it sounds like these aliens are probably
Speaker 1: a pretty bad influence on on earth. It's yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds like Satan and Lucifer may have may have had
Speaker 1: things right. Anti colonial kings, say the devil and his
Speaker 1: friend Satan Um, which is cool. I do also like
Speaker 1: that in this cosmology, Jesus, who also exists and as
Speaker 1: a son of God is a brother of Lucifer, which
Speaker 1: is fun. And then like Satan's just like a guy
Speaker 1: that Lucifer works with, Um, but yeah, Satan and Lucifer again,
Speaker 1: pretty pretty based. Um. So the book goes on to
Speaker 1: note biologic renovation of the racial stocks, the selective elimination
Speaker 1: of inferior human strains, will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities.
Speaker 1: So basically all of our social inequality is caused by
Speaker 1: the fact that we haven't genocide it enough people. Good.
Speaker 1: That's uh, all right, we gotta honestly, it's a strong
Speaker 1: backing for a crazy sci fi novel where the main
Speaker 1: character is trying to overthrow all of this ship. It
Speaker 1: would be right. You can actually make a pretty cool
Speaker 1: story about this where you find out that, like, there's
Speaker 1: this giant intergalactic government, but they're all basically Nazis and
Speaker 1: the devil's Real, but he's a good guy who didn't
Speaker 1: want to wipe out like. Um. Yeah, anyway, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's cool stuff. Um. Now I should also note here
Speaker 1: that Jesus is just a huge part of the RANTIA book.
Speaker 1: There's a whole chunk of it called the Jesus papers.
Speaker 1: Now Jesus is a son of God, right, but he's
Speaker 1: not the son of God because, again, God, and this
Speaker 1: is like he's like Elon Musk's dad, right, he's just
Speaker 1: like fucking ship kids out everywhere. Yeah, he is. He
Speaker 1: is spewing children over the multiverse. To be specific, Jesus
Speaker 1: is one of seven hundred thousand Creator sons that got
Speaker 1: ejaculated out into the universe. So, like, he's not very special.
Speaker 1: At no seven kids, you wouldn't even remember their birthdays. Um,
Speaker 1: you have thousands of kids die and it wouldn't mean
Speaker 1: ship to you. So, as best as I can tell,
Speaker 1: Jesus in this book is a wise alien who came
Speaker 1: to Earth to correct the errors that Satan and Lucifer introduced,
Speaker 1: those errors being don't genocide indigenous people and black people.
Speaker 1: So Jesus is kind of a Nazi in this Um
Speaker 1: and he also has a pretty different backstory. And to
Speaker 1: give that backstory I'm going to quote again from the
Speaker 1: Book God talk by our Buddy the gooch. Quote the
Speaker 1: final section containing the Jesus papers, the most accessible part
Speaker 1: of the book, gives a day by day account of
Speaker 1: all incidents left out of the New Testament concerning Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: We learned that when Jesus was fourteen, his father died
Speaker 1: from a Derek collapsing on him, that Jesus visited a
Speaker 1: university in Athens where he thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato,
Speaker 1: that he toured must much of the Roman world with
Speaker 1: two natives of India, go not and Gann it, that
Speaker 1: his in the tomb was speeded forward to complete disintegration,
Speaker 1: while he appeared again and what was actually a reconstituted
Speaker 1: spiritual body. Along the way, a few the Christian theological,
Speaker 1: a few Keith Christian theological doctrines are handily abandoned. The
Speaker 1: fall of man, the Virgin Birth, atonement, bodily resurrection. One
Speaker 1: problem in understanding the book comes with its Dizzying Roll
Speaker 1: Call of other worldly officials go between functionaries, angels, near
Speaker 1: dear near Deities, spirits, bodies, planets, galaxies, stars, transport vehicles
Speaker 1: and communication devices, somehow linking together the various worlds separated
Speaker 1: by time, space and moral distance, and an updated version
Speaker 1: of the medieval chain of being to complicate matters, this
Speaker 1: cast of characters and locals are often given neologisms for
Speaker 1: their names and titles. The terms derived from a strange
Speaker 1: etymology that results in a kind of Indo European news speak,
Speaker 1: Calaghastia Orantia Nebadn Oravontan Morontia, each of the papers as
Speaker 1: its own presenter, identified by such theatrical names as brilliant
Speaker 1: evening star, my any messenger, vorondetic son or Malavata Melich's neck.
Speaker 1: The effect is of an exotic linguistic tissue laid over
Speaker 1: a nuts and bolts grit, and it's all like it's
Speaker 1: kind of unreadable. You have to kind of read translations
Speaker 1: of it from other people, because if you're not reading
Speaker 1: from page one, like all of these different names and aliens,
Speaker 1: it's just fucking nonsense. That's what we're not doing. A
Speaker 1: ton of different quotes from it, but this is a
Speaker 1: very poorly applied creative writing talent. Yes, this is somebody
Speaker 1: who should have been like l Ron Hubbard, submitting short
Speaker 1: stories to Shitty SCI FI magazine, but instead, for and
Speaker 1: this is going on for like twenty something years, they're
Speaker 1: they're submitting. You've got this forum and you've got this
Speaker 1: commission who are like submitting questions to the mighty Melich's
Speaker 1: neck or whatever. Then Melches Melcheseck or something, all these
Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous space aliens who are like coming back with
Speaker 1: answers and they're gradually building this collection of papers. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: if what saddler and his followers say happened can be trusted,
Speaker 1: which it can't, what's going on is that they're sleeping
Speaker 1: source of right ship. The council will come back with
Speaker 1: more questions, Um, and these will get like and it's
Speaker 1: never exactly clear how the answers get written out or
Speaker 1: how the questions get delivered to the aliens. They're very
Speaker 1: coy about the process. Um. But in nineteen twenty three
Speaker 1: the saddlers and the Kellogg's establish a forum, uh, to
Speaker 1: discuss the papers and propose better questions. I'M gonna quote
Speaker 1: from the Book Ufo Religions again here. In late nineteen five,
Speaker 1: the form became a closed group, with members signing a
Speaker 1: pledge of secrecy. The pledge read as follows. We acknowledge
Speaker 1: our pledge of secrecy, renewing our promise not to discuss
Speaker 1: the rantia revelations or their subject matter with anyone save
Speaker 1: active forum members and to take no notes of such
Speaker 1: matter as is read or discussed at the public sessions
Speaker 1: or make copies or notes of what we personally read.
Speaker 1: The forum held its last meeting in nineteen forty two.
Speaker 1: The ORANTIA book was published in Nineteen Five, and shortly
Speaker 1: after the publication of the RANTIA book, a final message
Speaker 1: from the MIDWARS was received by the contact commission. You
Speaker 1: are now on your own. After nearly fifty years, the
Speaker 1: connection between the mortals of our planet and the Unseen
Speaker 1: Midway Commission was severed and went dead. So that's that's
Speaker 1: the story of how the papers get transmitted right. It's
Speaker 1: all that. It's all taking place throughout his lifetime and
Speaker 1: it's wrapping up when he's reaching older age. He's getting old,
Speaker 1: is when it wraps up. Yeah, uh, and yeah, the
Speaker 1: forum eventually has, like there's about four hundred people involved
Speaker 1: in this overall thing, while the contact commissions against five
Speaker 1: or six people and they're all saddlers and Kellogg's Um.
Speaker 1: For years, the forum members were the only people who
Speaker 1: are allowed to read the papers. They had like a
Speaker 1: library that was operated by one of Kellogg's sons, who
Speaker 1: is also the guy that people believe is the person
Speaker 1: being channeled Um, and people could like check out papers,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't take them away from the premises. So
Speaker 1: that's the the way people are reading this for like
Speaker 1: thirty years, twenty or thirty years. Uh. William's wife, Lena
Speaker 1: was adamant that the papers had to be published, though.
Speaker 1: So she's a big advocate of like we have to
Speaker 1: put these together in a book and distribute them to
Speaker 1: the masses. So she starts collecting money to fund to
Speaker 1: printing and has raised twenty dollars when she dies in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine. When Lena falls out of the picture,
Speaker 1: the forum falls to in fighting. It seems like she
Speaker 1: was kind of the primary thing keeping this organized, and
Speaker 1: after that they start to be big personality conflicts. The
Speaker 1: chief instigator is an author named Harold Sherman. He's a
Speaker 1: sci Fi writer whose nineteen seventy six book the green
Speaker 1: man is the origin for the phrase little green men
Speaker 1: from Mars. It's that guy. So he kind of goes
Speaker 1: to war with Dr Sadler over control of the papers
Speaker 1: and in ninety two he alleges that Sadler has been
Speaker 1: tampering with the original transcripts by the midwys and altering things. Um,
Speaker 1: getting called out. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird,
Speaker 1: weird little, weird little fire within the cult, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote again from God talk. Sherman then exchanged a
Speaker 1: series of disgruntled letters with another disillusioned former associate of
Speaker 1: saddler's um former associate of Saddlers, Harry Jacob Luce, a
Speaker 1: Chicago police officer and self proclaimed psychic, who felt that
Speaker 1: something snapped in Dr Sadler at his wife's death. He
Speaker 1: characterized Sadler is a power mad SVENGALI. The truth is
Speaker 1: that Sadler is mentally unsound, loose, wrote to Sherman, a
Speaker 1: Paranoiac with a Religio power complex, feverishly grasping for greater
Speaker 1: jurisdiction over the mentalities of the many Oh that Dr
Speaker 1: Lena had lived. How different developments would have been today?
Speaker 1: Sadler has the usual evidence of long tat latent and
Speaker 1: those of later years aroused mental sadism, which is just
Speaker 1: as definite and fully recognized a condition as physical sadism.
Speaker 1: So that's what people who are in this forum claim,
Speaker 1: right and again. None of these papers are out for
Speaker 1: other people. Yet this is purely just like a fight
Speaker 1: between these weirdos. The girls are fighting. Oh, no, whatever,
Speaker 1: is the truth of this? Like conflict within the forum
Speaker 1: saddler winds and after twelve years of editing, from like
Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, which is the last transmission, to nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty five, they're just editing the papers together. He manages
Speaker 1: to raise the last eighty thousand dollars needed to print
Speaker 1: a first edition of the ORANTIA book on October Twelfth
Speaker 1: Nineteen Fifty Five. It is published by the R R
Speaker 1: Donnelly and sons company in Indianapolis. An organization, the Rantia Foundation,
Speaker 1: had been established to distribute the book. That mailed off
Speaker 1: copies to cultural leaders they thought might be sympathetic. Edward
Speaker 1: R Murrow, Aldous Huxley and Eleanor Roosevelt All received copies.
Speaker 1: Nobody read it. Um like interesting, don't worry none. Look,
Speaker 1: you get a two thousand page book called the Rantia
Speaker 1: Book About Space, aliens and the mail. I mean, I
Speaker 1: actually would read that. I know it's like, is it
Speaker 1: bad that I kind of want to copy? I'm just
Speaker 1: morbidly curious. It is. It is available. Here's one of
Speaker 1: the fun things. It is available for Free Online. The
Speaker 1: RANTIA foundation tried to keep a copyright, but somebody put
Speaker 1: it up digitally back in like the nineties, and then
Speaker 1: there was a lawsuit over it and the people who
Speaker 1: were putting it up online argued successfully in court that, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: they're claiming this is written by aliens, so they can't
Speaker 1: have a copyright for it. Yeah, this is like, Oh
Speaker 1: my God, okayright, yeah, this isn't their book. It's written
Speaker 1: by aliens. Why do they have a copy? which is awesome.
Speaker 1: That fucking rules. It's my favorite part of this story that, like,
Speaker 1: they successfully argue in court. Look, man, if aliens wrote
Speaker 1: this ship, they can't be the ones who hold the copyrights. Um.
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler actually survived fourteen years after the book's publication.
Speaker 1: This guy lives for fucking ever. Um, he lives long
Speaker 1: enough to see his son and grandson die, to see
Speaker 1: Kellogg's turn into a sugary breakfast cereal that makes people come,
Speaker 1: probably if I understand Dr Kellogg's science properly. Um. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: he ends to see like his publishing career fall apart.
Speaker 1: You know, people stop accepting his books. Um, but he
Speaker 1: seems to be good at the end. His last words
Speaker 1: are the world is very this world is very real,
Speaker 1: but the next one is much more real which is
Speaker 1: in line with the philosophy outline in the RANTIA book,
Speaker 1: which we're not going to get into in detail because
Speaker 1: it's silly. What matters is that Dr Sadler dies right
Speaker 1: on the cusp of the age that was turned his
Speaker 1: book into an underground hit, and we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about that next. But you know what else is an
Speaker 1: underground hit? Tie? What else is an underground hit? The
Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast. They're underground because
Speaker 1: they're all illegal. You know, every one of our products
Speaker 1: is smuggled into your town and or city by Burt
Speaker 1: Reynolds in a trans am, just just inches ahead of
Speaker 1: the evil sheriff Buford t justice. Oh we're back. So
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, the year Dr Sadler dies, is also
Speaker 1: obviously nineteen sixty nine, right. It's like the year that, like,
Speaker 1: the fucking New Age movement explodes. Hippies are all over
Speaker 1: the place, there's all these seekers interested Manson time, Charles
Speaker 1: Manson time, woodstock is huge explosion and interest in like Yoga, spiritualism,
Speaker 1: alternative religion, Buddhism, all of this stuff bursts in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty nine Um. And Yeah, the fact that the RANTIA book,
Speaker 1: which is filled with aliens but also like Jesus, is
Speaker 1: kind of like perfectly suited because again, the new age
Speaker 1: types here, they're not willing to go that far out
Speaker 1: of the box as they've been raised in. So if
Speaker 1: you're both talking about like aliens and eastern religion, but
Speaker 1: also you're throwing Jesus in there, that's going to appeal
Speaker 1: to an awful lot of hippies. Right. The same year
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler dies, a young man named Mo Seagel is
Speaker 1: living in Boulder, Colorado and serving Asian herbal tea to
Speaker 1: customers and a small shop that he had started. His
Speaker 1: business was completely novel to Americans and to Westerners in general.
Speaker 1: All mass market tea in the United States and Great
Speaker 1: Britain at this point was made from the actual tea plant,
Speaker 1: Camillius Senesis, and thus packaged packed a heavy wallop of caffeine. Right,
Speaker 1: tea is actually tea. At that point, herbal tea is
Speaker 1: not tea and that it does not contain the tea plant. Right,
Speaker 1: it's made up of basically any other plant. Right. But
Speaker 1: you can't buy herbal tea at that point. Obviously, indigenous
Speaker 1: people had a number of different herbal teas. The concept
Speaker 1: has existed, but nobody sells it. You can't go to
Speaker 1: a store and purchase an herbal tea. In nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: most seagel is the first guy who starts this as
Speaker 1: a business. Um So, herbal ty obviously is an ancient concept,
Speaker 1: but from a capitalist point of view it's entirely new.
Speaker 1: The same year that most starts his business, he happens
Speaker 1: across a copy of the arountia book in a shop
Speaker 1: near his house. He later wrote quote I thought it
Speaker 1: was just the goofiest thing I'd ever read. At to
Speaker 1: read it, I was not concerned about who had written
Speaker 1: it or how it had been written because it was
Speaker 1: so powerful. So he like starts reading this is just
Speaker 1: like wow, look at this fucking ridiculous thing, and then
Speaker 1: becomes deeply pilled, I guess you say, hopefully coersive reading
Speaker 1: into it. Um So, he's just kind of been selling
Speaker 1: a handful of teas at a tiny shop, but he
Speaker 1: he after reading this book, gets convinced that he needs
Speaker 1: to do something bigger. So he takes a group of
Speaker 1: his friends, who are all big fans of the RANTIA book,
Speaker 1: and they start hiking in the rockies and picking dozens
Speaker 1: of pounds of herbal tea at a time and mixing
Speaker 1: them together into hands owned bags and selling them, initially
Speaker 1: at local stores and then all across Colorado. The business
Speaker 1: takes off very quickly, and MOE claims that his desire
Speaker 1: to expand a nationwide is fueled by his interest in
Speaker 1: the RANTIA book. Quote. After studying the teachings in the
Speaker 1: ORANTIA book, I knew that I would feel selfish and
Speaker 1: wasteful to simply focus on material success. So, as a
Speaker 1: young man, when I began thinking about what I could
Speaker 1: do to make a living, I have innch, I immediately
Speaker 1: turned to the health food industry. So that's what leads
Speaker 1: Mo and his fellow flower children to turn their tea
Speaker 1: company into a real business. In honor of the celestial
Speaker 1: beings who had dictated the book they held so dear,
Speaker 1: they named it celestial seasonings. Now you'll hear a couple
Speaker 1: of different claims. They also say it's the name of
Speaker 1: like based on the flower name of one of the
Speaker 1: people who founded it, but there's debate about this. Uh.
Speaker 1: In short order, though, their sleepy time tea has become
Speaker 1: the number one best selling tea in the United States
Speaker 1: and is today the number one best selling specialty t
Speaker 1: of all time worldwide. Um each bag includes an inspirational
Speaker 1: message written on the tag, which initially were direct quotes
Speaker 1: from the Rante a book. For whatever reason, they tended
Speaker 1: to avoid the verses about eugenics and racial inferior at
Speaker 1: Crescent Celestial seasonings is the number one team manufacturer in
Speaker 1: the United States. Its products makes more than a hundred
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Mo continued to lead the company
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty nine up through a merger with craft,
Speaker 1: a corporate buy back and its eventual acquisition by the
Speaker 1: Haines celestial group. Along the way, Mo never forgot his roots,
Speaker 1: by which I mean doctor saddlers space genocide book, from
Speaker 1: a write up seagull made on the Rantia Book Fellowship
Speaker 1: website quote, and this is the founder of celestial seasonings.
Speaker 1: Illness and disease results from evil and cause suffering. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: several factors hinder progress towards the development of the disease
Speaker 1: free world. The Laws of genetics are immutable and form
Speaker 1: the physical cornerstone of evolution. At the present time, mankind
Speaker 1: loses about as much progress as it makes by ignoring eugenics,
Speaker 1: implying that we need to do eugenics. Yeah, yeah, we've
Speaker 1: gotta be doing more eugenic because we can't get rid
Speaker 1: of disease. The goal of the human race is to
Speaker 1: get rid of disease, which is why am is a
Speaker 1: big advocate of natural foods. Right. Natural Foods are healthier,
Speaker 1: they keep you from getting disease, but we can't eliminate
Speaker 1: disease until we eliminate certain kinds of people. That's in
Speaker 1: same yeah, we have to stop people who are differently
Speaker 1: able or whatever from breeding and we have to stop
Speaker 1: certain races from breeding in order to stop disease. That's
Speaker 1: the founder of sleepy time tea and that's like the
Speaker 1: problem with people that are like dipping their toes into
Speaker 1: the new age movement right now is they'll immediately be
Speaker 1: introduced to some of these concepts that, on the surface,
Speaker 1: don't seem like they're founded in Eugenics and ship like that.
Speaker 1: But once you just start like peeling the layer back,
Speaker 1: it's right there and it's unavoidable and then you're like
Speaker 1: what do I do? Like, yeah, it's it's very funny. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not funny. You can't say if you're if you
Speaker 1: go to bed sipping a sleepy time tea, you can think.
Speaker 1: You know if you're if you use a wheelchair, if
Speaker 1: your vision isn't perfect, if you're not a white nordic,
Speaker 1: for example, if you're one of the dreaded Alpine race.
Speaker 1: The guy you sit before bed doesn't want your round
Speaker 1: head to be breeding. Um. So that's cool. Probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: have guessed that when you woke up this morning you
Speaker 1: would apparently heard this die. I. So I do. Um,
Speaker 1: I do like a podcast called Celestial cafe actually, but
Speaker 1: it's with a couple of my we deep dive into
Speaker 1: like witchy, you know, Tarot, like Ac cult stuff and uh,
Speaker 1: we we start every episode talking about what drinks were drinking.
Speaker 1: So we all frequently are drinking teas and things like that,
Speaker 1: and celestial seasonings has been a topic of conversation amongst
Speaker 1: the four of us because it's literally one step back
Speaker 1: into the direction of that appealing back the layer and
Speaker 1: we're like hold up, now we have a second and
Speaker 1: that's why all of the teas on my shelf, I
Speaker 1: stopped buying celestial seasonings after that. Well good, Um, it
Speaker 1: is tasty, but yeah, it's you might be willing to,
Speaker 1: you might be able to keep buying it after this.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that a little at the end.
Speaker 1: So I will say too. I guess his credit, Mo
Speaker 1: never tried to hide the importance of the ARANTIA book
Speaker 1: to sleepy time tea or it's an fluence in his life.
Speaker 1: Nor did he try to hide the fact that he
Speaker 1: was a eugenicist like he's. He's not coy about this,
Speaker 1: he's not ashamed, he's proud. Nobody really notices until which
Speaker 1: is really weird. But that's not on Mo. He's very
Speaker 1: open about this. He authors several texts explaining the RANTIA
Speaker 1: book and boiling down its teachings, and he repeatedly credits
Speaker 1: the book with providing the moral companies the compass that
Speaker 1: he and his co workers started their company on. Quote.
Speaker 1: I had wanted bold, I found bold. I wanted spiritual
Speaker 1: adventure and I was on the right of my life.
Speaker 1: I was searching for Truth and the book was loaded
Speaker 1: with it. And there's no doubt that one of the
Speaker 1: truth's animating celestial seasonings and most Seagel was the need
Speaker 1: to purge a large amount of the human population through
Speaker 1: controlled breeding. And I'M gonna quote now from a write
Speaker 1: up by Megan Giller, and Megan Giller is the reason
Speaker 1: why people know this story. She writes an article for
Speaker 1: a now defunct website in two thousand fifteen, which is
Speaker 1: then republished more recently by inverse. It's Megan Giller who
Speaker 1: actually again, this was all out there for people to find.
Speaker 1: Megan is the first person and she's like a food
Speaker 1: journalist who like realizes, like why isn't anyone talking about this?
Speaker 1: This is nuts, what the fuck um? So credit to
Speaker 1: Megan broke this UM quote. The fellowship is putting its
Speaker 1: money where its mouth is too. In a two thousand
Speaker 1: ten email sent to readers with advanced information and forward
Speaker 1: looking perspectives that are not suited for being posted on
Speaker 1: the website, a follower named Martin Greenhood writes that the
Speaker 1: trustees have continuvened a panel on eugenics. He names all
Speaker 1: of the panel members, the most striking of which is
Speaker 1: Kerman Anderson, who at the time was the genetic screening
Speaker 1: program director at Kaiser Permanente in California and the author
Speaker 1: of much genetics research. So again, members of the Rantia Foundation,
Speaker 1: like people who are inspired by this book about Alien
Speaker 1: Eugenics are like in two thousand and ten include people
Speaker 1: who are doing genetic screening at Kaiser Permanente, directing programs,
Speaker 1: and they're like convening fucking panels and God knows, like
Speaker 1: some amount of sleepy time team money is funding because
Speaker 1: most Siegel is the president of the Orantia Foundation for
Speaker 1: a large chunk of the time that he is running
Speaker 1: celestial seasonings. You know, like they are not entirely separate.
Speaker 1: So there is a period at which celestial seasonings is
Speaker 1: to some extent aiding and funding the fucking Rantia Foundation,
Speaker 1: directly or indirectly. That's a little unclear. It's not like
Speaker 1: the company is directly handing money to them, but anyway,
Speaker 1: um or at least we don't know that they were.
Speaker 1: Now I should note for the purposes of accuracy and
Speaker 1: not getting sued, most Siegel is no longer directly involved
Speaker 1: with celestial seasonings. He's stole on the Board for the
Speaker 1: RANTIA Foundation. He retires from the company in two thousand two.
Speaker 1: His Co founder and fellow Ranti and John Hay Quentin
Speaker 1: nineteen five because he was offended by Siegel's desire to
Speaker 1: become like Coca Cola in the words of one colleague. Um,
Speaker 1: and in two thousand seagulls sells the company to Haines
Speaker 1: Celestial Group, whose name is actually a coincidence. It seems.
Speaker 1: Haine is basically the company that invinced the natural health
Speaker 1: food is a product category, and that's who runs it now. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of shady things about hayine. Broadly speaking,
Speaker 1: they seem to be in a better company than most
Speaker 1: within sort of the food industry. Um, you know, they
Speaker 1: they have a great rating from how good, Um, in
Speaker 1: terms of social and environmental impact. There have been a
Speaker 1: couple of scandals, none of which, you're super related to
Speaker 1: the RANTIA foundation stuff. So it's worth up until like
Speaker 1: two thousand two, you might view kind of celestial seasonings
Speaker 1: is sort of like the eugenics version of Chick Fil A. Now,
Speaker 1: probably not like it's unclear. Obviously I suspect that fucking seagull,
Speaker 1: who's still around, has stock in the in the company,
Speaker 1: and so probably because he's a big funder of the
Speaker 1: fucking foundation, you could argue that some amount of the
Speaker 1: money that celestial seasonings makes could go to the foundation,
Speaker 1: but there's not a direct connection anymore. They're they're pretty
Speaker 1: much corporate and obviously I don't think Haines's celestial group
Speaker 1: is funding the rantia foundation or anything like that. So
Speaker 1: you are probably safe buying sleepy time tea today, but
Speaker 1: this is where it comes from and it's it's again
Speaker 1: like all I all I'm thinking about listening to these
Speaker 1: stories is these companies were able to be so loved,
Speaker 1: I guess, by the people at the time, like back
Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, mid nineteen hundreds, that they
Speaker 1: are now titans in our food industry, like Kellogg's is
Speaker 1: still a titan here and it could never have grown
Speaker 1: that large if it weren't so widely supported in the
Speaker 1: beginning and when they were a lot more overt with
Speaker 1: their eugenicist beliefs and stuff. That means that it was
Speaker 1: also a reflection of society, like much more deeply at
Speaker 1: the time, and it's just really disheartening. Yeah, it's interesting because, like,
Speaker 1: I think it got kind often. I think most people
Speaker 1: who would have been aware of this to some extent
Speaker 1: the Ranti book would have just been like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a weird book about space aliens and then kind of
Speaker 1: that that's that's it. I I think it probably was
Speaker 1: not noticed by most people that like there's genocide ship
Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, Um, and again, I don't I should honestly,
Speaker 1: to be entirely honest, if you are a sleepy time
Speaker 1: tea consumer, I don't believe any of your money is
Speaker 1: going to help this anymore. Nobody really cares about the
Speaker 1: RANTIA book. They are not certainly not doing what chick
Speaker 1: fil a is doing right, like, which is actively contributing
Speaker 1: to direct harm. This is more just like in that
Speaker 1: weird your favorite tea comes from eugenics. Um, Wacky, Huh.
Speaker 1: It does, just make it have a sour taste to me.
Speaker 1: I'm just like there's so many other like Indie t
Speaker 1: companies I could be supporting or like smaller. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: and that's that's perfectly reasonable. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: like people have so many find so many reasons these
Speaker 1: days to be like. Oh, another thing I love is
Speaker 1: like fucked up. Yeah, there's a fund up history here.
Speaker 1: It's fine, right, like, you're not. If you have you
Speaker 1: don't go. You don't have to go throwing out your
Speaker 1: sleepy time tea. If it helps you go to sleep,
Speaker 1: you are it is not aiding at abetting eugenics at
Speaker 1: this point to consume sleepy time teath. I just I
Speaker 1: think it's a fun story right, like it is. It
Speaker 1: is kind of like fucking wild right that this is
Speaker 1: just like. Well, it also makes you wonder how many
Speaker 1: other just things in your cabinet have weird fucking backstories
Speaker 1: that you've never dug into. Yeah, exactly, like that's that's it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those. I read this great article by Megan,
Speaker 1: Oh Gosh, what's her Megan Giller Um, who again gets
Speaker 1: the credit for breaking the part of the story that
Speaker 1: it's connected to celestial seasonings, and I wanted to do
Speaker 1: that story. But there's not really a lot to say.
Speaker 1: Most SEAGEL definitely sucks. He's like an example of the
Speaker 1: kind of Hippie we don't talk about enough, which is
Speaker 1: like hippies that are super racist and bigoted and like
Speaker 1: believed terrible things about the world, which he does, because
Speaker 1: he writes about eugenics and that's fucked up Um. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day he made like herbal
Speaker 1: tea popular, which is not terrible and I don't think
Speaker 1: I can't really see how like, I don't know, there
Speaker 1: probably is if someone were to do more research, like
Speaker 1: the fact that that fucking Kaiser Permanente, director of genetic research,
Speaker 1: is an Irantean and in part of their eugenetics commission.
Speaker 1: That someone should look into that more. That does deserve investigation.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a worse story here, but as I looked
Speaker 1: into it I came to be like, Oh, the story
Speaker 1: here is about Dr William Sadler. This like piece of
Speaker 1: ship trend following eugenicist and like it's just it's interesting
Speaker 1: to me how this all came together. Um, so there's
Speaker 1: another piece of like good old fashioned American occult history
Speaker 1: for you. Beautiful, delicious no number. I hope you all
Speaker 1: found it delicious. Slip it on up, suck it down,
Speaker 1: lick a look at good by the Rantea tea bag.
Speaker 1: Get Yeah, as we always say at the end of episodes,
Speaker 1: get tea bag, Sophie. Are we still sponsored by the
Speaker 1: concept of getting tea bagged? We're not. We're not being sponsored. Okay,
Speaker 1: sponsorship that would never die, though. You'd always yeah, you know, big,
Speaker 1: big Um. Well, in any case, testicles and UH ty.
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Speaker 1: We've lived under his thumb long enough. It's time to
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Speaker 1: but but have you seen his puppy? It balances out.
Speaker 1: I have seen a good his puppy is pretty good.
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