1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Ah, am I supposed to all? Yeah, an atonal scream 2 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: is kind of thing. Look, I don't know why we 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: do this, but Sophie says this is critical for traffic. 4 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: You know, this is entirely so at Sophie's command. This 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: is following her orders. Yeah, you're welcome, listeners. Yeah, she 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: loves the ATONAL grunting. She says it's it's the only 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: reason people listen to this podcast. Welcome back to behind 8 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: the bastards, the podcast that is legally required to listen. 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: If you have friends who aren't listening, call the FBI 10 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: immediately and report them. Called CPS. You know, one way 11 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: or the other have the state do violence to them 12 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: for not listening to our show. We have to issue 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: them a citation. Yeah, funck him up with COPS. So tie. Hello, 14 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: how how are you doing in part two? I'm doing great. 15 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: I got a little Oreo Brownie bite. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah, 16 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: I had a fistful of blueberries from my front garden. Healthier, 17 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: A K A hey shady lady from the boss Level Podcast, 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: your twitch streamer, a Youtuber, Um, a colleague of my 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: nemesis and also the editor of our podcasts, Daniel Yes yes, 20 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: one day I will destroy him, but today he knows why, Sophie. Today, though, 21 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: today we're talking about Dr William Sadler, his wife Lena 22 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: and their career as pop psychologists slash eugenicists and, uh now, 23 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: debunkers of automatic writing and mediumship. Final, Amena. So they've 24 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: they've pivoted. As we hit part two now and we 25 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: talked about automatic writing. Right, that is basically somebody claims 26 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: to have been taken over by some sort of entity 27 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: that is not them, that is writing using their body. Right, 28 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: if you've ever seen six cents, they have the kid. 29 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I think it's the kid in sixth sense that does 30 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: automatic writing. Um, I think that. I think Bruce Willis 31 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: the therapist, tells him to like just write and eventually 32 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: your real words that you need to say are going 33 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,559 Speaker 1: to come out, and then it's just all the ghosts angry, 34 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, and then the mom friends and she's like, 35 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: holy sh it, what's wrong with my kid? That's actually 36 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: how I write all of these podcasts. Okay, yes, all 37 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: of these podcasts are automatically written by me channeling various ghosts. Um, 38 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: it's good ship. It's ghosts written by ghosts. This one 39 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: oddly enough, written by the Ghost of Joseph Stalin. Yeah, 40 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: he's a lot more vulgar than I thought. Yeah, out, 41 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: that's that's J stall so uh. Anyway, the most prominent 42 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: proponent of automatic writing in the post war era was 43 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: Sir Oliver Lodge, a well known physicist and a pioneer 44 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: in the science of radio waves. Lodge lost a son 45 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: in Belgium in Nineteen fifteen to a German artillery shell 46 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: and then a younger brother to the flu in Nineteen nineteen. 47 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: So he's kind of like the human embodiment of this 48 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: like wave of grief that brings people to spiritualism in 49 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the post war era. He also lost a brother in 50 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: law in Belgium in nineteen fourteen, but who gives a 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: shit about brother in laws, right Um, anyway, so much 52 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: loss spurs him to explore life after death and in 53 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Nineteen sixteen he writes a book about a series of 54 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: contacts he claimed to have had with his dead son, Raymond. 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Lodge and his wife sat with several mediums who attempted 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: to communicate with their boy through tactics like table tilting 57 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: and automatic writing, and I write up history dot com 58 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: notes and his messages Raymond offered a comforting vision of 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the great beyond, complete with flowers, trees, dogs, cats and birds. 60 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: He repeatedly assured his parents that he was happy. He 61 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: told them he'd reconnected with his great grandfather, with his 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: great grandfather, with his late grandfather, plus a brother and 63 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: sister who died in infancy, and made many new friends. 64 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: He reported that soldiers who had lost an arm and 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: battle found it magically restored, although those who had been 66 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: blown to pieces took a bit longer to become whole. 67 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: And I do love the vision of like an afterlife 68 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: that's perfect. But also, if you get blown up, it 69 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: takes a while to get unblown up. Like it's not 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: that perfect. The afterlife there's still like ship they gotta 71 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: deal with right. You gotta Wait To get rebuilt. If 72 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that happens to you, it's kind of cool. Um. Dr 73 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: William Sadler heartily rejected the claims of supernatural experiences published 74 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: by people like lodge, but he would later claim in 75 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven he was reached out to by a neighbor 76 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: who was concerned that her husband would occasionally lapse into 77 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: a deep sleep and breathe abnormally. She was unable to 78 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: rouse him. During these episodes, the doctor Sadler agreed to 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: sit with the sleeping subject, as he was known, and 80 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: take notes on what he did. At some point he 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: began to speak. In one party who was present at 82 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: the time recorded what occurred. Quote. The subject was moistening 83 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: his lips. Perhaps we should ask a question. How are 84 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: you feeling? To the great astonishment of everyone, the subject spoke, 85 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: but the voice was peculiar, not his normal voice. The 86 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: voice identified itself as a student visitor on an observation 87 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: mission from another planet. This being, apparently was conversing through 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: the sleeping subject by some means, and this then became 89 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: a common occurrence. So while he's like a debunker and 90 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: going around and he's doing like these big show debunkings 91 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: with his friend the magician, he starts talking with this 92 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: visitor who claims to be like in the body of 93 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: like a guy who lives in his apartment building Um, 94 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: and they start taking notes on what this this being 95 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: is saying. And again the timeline is all funked up here. 96 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: The book that Saddler writes about this isn't published until 97 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: the fifties. Most sources will say that the first visitation. 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: The first time he talks to this guy will he's 99 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: channeling someone. Happens in nineteen eleven. Some claims say nineteen 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: O six. This probably never happened at all. So it's 101 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: again entirely, you know, academic. But Sadler later claims it 102 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: starts in like nineteen eleven or so Um, and his 103 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: claim is that like this, this other, this person who's 104 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: like being possessed in the night, is being possessed by 105 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: a student visitor, basically an intern from these advanced spiritual 106 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: beings who won't run like a Galactic Federation. So basically 107 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: there's like intern is hanging out and looking at earth 108 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: and like talking through this sleeping man to our buddy 109 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: William Sadler. Starting in the sleepers switched from speaking with 110 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the voice of a visitor while passed out to doing 111 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: automatic writing, producing voluminous handwritten documents with filled with fantastic 112 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: stories about this alien civilization. So, against saddler claims, this 113 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: goes on for decades. There's no evidence whatsoever of this. Um. 114 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: The first writing that we have by Sadler on the 115 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: matter was published in a nineteen twenty nine book the 116 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: mind and mischief, which is mostly a debunking of mediums 117 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: in psychics. In the appendix he wrote about two cases 118 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: he could not adequately explain, including this one quote. The 119 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: other exception has to do with a rather peculiar case 120 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: of psychic phenomena, one which I find myself unable to classify. 121 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: I was brought into contact with it in the summer 122 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: of nineteen eleven and I have had it under my 123 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: observation more or less ever since, having been present at 124 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: probably two and fifty of the night sessions, many of 125 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: which have been attended by a stenographer who made voluminous notes. 126 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: A thorough study of this case has convinced me that 127 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: it is not one of ordinary trance. This man is 128 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: utterly unconscious, wholly oblivious to what takes place and, unless 129 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: told about it subsequently, never knows that he has been 130 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: used as a sort of clearing house for the coming 131 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and going of alleged extra planetary personalities. Psychoanalysis, hypnotism, intensive 132 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: comparison failed to show that the written or spoken messages 133 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: of this individual have origin in his own mind. Much 134 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: of the material secured through this subject is quite contrary 135 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: to his habits of thought, to the way in which 136 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: he has been taught and to his entire philosophy. In fact, 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: of much that we have secured, we have failed to 138 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: find anything of its nature in existence. So basically he's 139 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: like this guy is a normal, boring, asked Christian like 140 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: me and he's telling all these fantastic stories about aliens. 141 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Clearly that means they're real. It's just you keep the word, 142 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: you keep using as grift and it's all I'm thinking 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: is this guy, saddler, has established himself as an expert 144 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: on debunking spiritual psychic phenomena, except my friend over here, 145 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: because WHO's legit? Yeah, and it's he claims nineteen eleven, 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: because that puts it before the spiritual is the spiritualism 147 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: like craze bursts. There's no evidence of him claiming that 148 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 1: this guy exists to other people until like the late twenties, 149 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: and he doesn't publish anything about this until the fifties. 150 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: So again, I think he's I think he's made up 151 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: a lot of this. Obviously, at some point there is 152 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: a larger group of people that he's reportedly going back to. 153 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second. So who the 154 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: sleeping subject was has never been made clear. Saddler and 155 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: his fall. Followers would later claim he had been, quote, 156 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: a hard boiled businessman, member of the Board of Trade 157 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: and Stock Exchange, in order to make him seem more credible. 158 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: It was. It was one of Dr Harvey Kellogg's sons. 159 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: It was like his brother in law. It was a 160 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: Kellogg keeping the family yeah. At any rate, this right 161 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: up from the rootledge text ufo religions, edited by Christopher Partridge, 162 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: tells the next part of the story. Later, two other 163 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: people were admitted to witness the events, one of whom 164 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: became the secretary. Together, the six people involved became known 165 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: as the contact commission, although it was only ever the 166 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: sleeping subject who was used as the actual contact. William 167 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: Sadler's initial explanation for the event was that it was 168 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: being generated by the mind of the individual. However, he 169 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: had abandoned this initial diagnosis of automatic speaking after examining 170 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: the sleeping subject under hypnosis. Similarly, further attempts to find 171 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: another scientific answer failed. The sleeping subject was also viewed 172 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: by Sadler as being in good health and any notion 173 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: of him suffering from any form of psychiatric ailment was 174 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: refuted by Sadler. So again we know that this is 175 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: real because we hypnotized him and he didn't admit to 176 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: having faked it. Right, great, solid. That seems bulletproof. Thank you, 177 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: Dr Sadler. So more detail on the contact commission comes 178 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: from the Book God talk, which described and then that's 179 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: by our buddy the gooch, which describes it, as quote, 180 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: a tightly interwoven incestuous family units. So this contact commission, 181 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: which is always described in these very business like terms 182 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: in order to make it seem like well, as a scientist, 183 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: I immediately put together a commission of people who can 184 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: analyze this. It's all saddlers and Kellogg's right like. It's 185 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: all family. It's a bunch of his like Kim The stenographer, 186 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: is there adopted adult daughter Um. There's never any good 187 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: reason given as to why Sadler found this example of 188 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: automatic writing to be legitimate by but it rejected all 189 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: other mediums and their ilk. Some sources claim he continued 190 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: to doubt that this person was real, was really channeling 191 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: anything up until nineteen thirty six, and that it was 192 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: his wife, Lena who was the major impulse to keep 193 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: having these conversations with aliens Um. And it's worth noting 194 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: that there's only really two major differences between this case, 195 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: which Sadler declared real, and other automatic writing claims from 196 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: the same period. Number One, the sources here are intergalactic 197 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: alien governmental interns and not spirits or divine entities, which 198 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: is a change Um. And number two, the claims they 199 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: make are replete with specific scientific claims. So they're making 200 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: specific scientific claims about space and the universe. Um, some 201 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: of these claims are very wrong. They claim that the 202 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: Universe is eight hundred and fifty billion years old. It's 203 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: it's not. I mean it's like fifty billions, something like that. 204 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: They make claims about like how planets formed via a 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: cretion where, which has also generally been debunked. Other claims 206 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: are kind of weirdly close. They make a claim about 207 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: the speed of light. That isn't far off. Um, had 208 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: that already been established at that time? No, no, again, 209 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: this is the fucking twenties and stuff that they're they're 210 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: putting this out, although the book isn't published until the fifties. 211 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: So then again, like when some of this has been 212 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: it's a mix Um, but that is something that's different, right. 213 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: Is there actually they're actually making like sci fi claims here, 214 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: like it's like it's like star Trek technobabble stuff. It's 215 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: nearly all bullshit, um, but the fact that they are 216 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: putting out specific scientific claims in their automatic writing is 217 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: really different, because nearly all of this is just kind 218 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: of spiritual in nature as opposed to yeah, it just 219 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: makes me think of like l Ron Hubbard and scientology. 220 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't have this kind of like like full I 221 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: don't know if I want to call it a philosophy 222 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: or whatever, but I'm I'm very involved in the Tarot 223 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: communities and the witchy magical realm or whatever, and as 224 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: soon as somebody tells me that they're the only person 225 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: that has contact with a specific alien, I run directions, 226 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: as you're the only one that has access to this 227 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: information and it's some you know, mystical being that only 228 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: talks to you. Okay, I'm out ahead and it's interesting. 229 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: You see what they're doing here. They're trying to make 230 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: it not seem like that by saying, well, there's a 231 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: commission of people, but and eventually it's a few hundred, 232 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: but none of them talk directly to the subject. So 233 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: the subject will write a bunch of ships and they'll 234 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: present it to this big meeting of this forum of 235 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: folks and then people will like write up questions or 236 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: vote on questions to ask and they're just given another 237 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: sheet the next week, but none of them get to 238 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: see it get written. It's claimed to be this great 239 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: mystery how the writing gets to anyone. Like the pages 240 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: just appear the next morning and they say, like we 241 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: had people watching over him while he was sleeping and 242 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: then they turned their back for a second and there 243 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: were pages. You know, like it's never clear exactly where 244 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: the pages come from, but obviously nobody ever sees them, Um, 245 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: get written. So that's that's fine. Um, again like spoilers. 246 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: But it's probably Sadler who's writing. Everyone was gonna say 247 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: it's fine because Sadler says it's okay. He's an expert here. 248 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, Um, and yeah, you can see shades of 249 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,119 Speaker 1: Helena Blovotsky here, right, because she's and I think that 250 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: that's probably who saddler is aping, because blovotsky again kind 251 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: of comes into prominence in the late eighteen hundreds as 252 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: an anti spiritualist, like pushing a very different set of things. 253 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: So she doesn't believe that people are talking to the dead. 254 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: They're talking to spirits, and like these spirits are telling 255 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: people stories of this vaxed epic Spanning Racial History. Right, 256 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: Blovotsky has got these ancient masters who are remnants of 257 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: an underground super race who started civilization, whereas you can 258 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: kind of see what what saddler is doing as a 259 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: derivation of that. Right, because the people he's talking to 260 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: are these like alien kind of spirits who are basically 261 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: representatives of this Galactic Federation who are telling people, or 262 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: who are telling humans about like, uh, what's actually happening 263 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: in the universe and earth's place in it. Um, the 264 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: the aliens who are controlling the subject's body and doing 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: the automatic writing, are called midwayers. Uh, and yeah, they're 266 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: they're giving out all this sci fi ship. So, according 267 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: to the revelations given by the subject to the contact commission, 268 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: which are eventually bundled into a collection of writing called 269 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the arantia papers, the center of the universe, Um is 270 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: a perfect well, the center of the multiverse, because this 271 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: is a multiverse thing too, right, there's a bunch of Universes, 272 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: at the center of all the universes. The backstory of 273 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. Okay, yes, yes, very much so. So at 274 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: the center of all of the UNIVERSES is a perfect 275 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: universe called Hayvona, which is created by God to be 276 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: the eternal core of perfection. It's basically heaven, but heaven's 277 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: got like millions of worlds and trillions of people and 278 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: it's like it's built to be perfect and it's always perfect. 279 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: And then all of the other universes outside of it 280 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: start out as chaotic and they're free and imperfect, and 281 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: so people can choose good or evil and each isn't like. 282 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: Each of these universes outside of Havona isn't created by God, 283 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: they're created by one of his sons. He has a 284 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: shipload of kids, like is fucking blasting out babies in 285 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: this in this in this cosmology Um. And so the 286 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: goal of each of these universes is to gradually work 287 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: towards perfection and become as perfect as Havona. Um. In 288 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: order to achieve this, God lays out an intricate interstellar 289 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: bureaucracy between all the trillions of worlds and inhabited universes 290 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: and ex worlds are grouped into this category. And then 291 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: all of the different systems or this and then the 292 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: different galaxies, Yada, Yada, Yada. The multiverse is a big bureaucracy. Um. 293 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: The spirits go into detail about this, but it is 294 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: not interesting. Um. As a general rule, the way things 295 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: work is that life carriers seed each world with life 296 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: and then different children of God guide each world towards 297 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: perfection by sending light skinned, blue eyed aliens named Adam 298 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: and eve down to upstep the natives by breeding with them. 299 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: And lest they seem too area, and I should not 300 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: know that Adam and eve are also eight feet tall 301 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: and have shimmering bodies. Um, this is like an Anaki, 302 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: like the that's where this comes from, Annochi, big and 303 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: certain strains of q and on another kind of yeah, spiritual. 304 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: This is again. This is in the thirties, right, so 305 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: this is kind of precursor to all of that ship. Um. Now, unfortunately, 306 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: it's also includes a lot of eugenics, e ship, because again, 307 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: the idea is that you have these life created on 308 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: these planets and then Adam and Eve's are sent down, 309 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: which is like Adam and Eve is a job, right, 310 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: that certain perfect beings are given in order to upstep races. 311 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: So they go in and they're supposed to interbreed with 312 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: the natives enough that quote, inferior stocks will be eliminated 313 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: and there will be one purified race, one language and 314 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: one religion, according to Gardner's summary of things. Now, that's 315 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: what's supposed to happen, but things go wrong on our world, 316 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: which is known as Urantia, right, we're earth is ARANTIA. Now, 317 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: Urantia is unique among the planets in the cosmos because 318 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: it develops life independently from the children of God, and 319 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: the Life Cedars are carriers. So the son of God 320 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: who was supposed to manage upstepping life on earth is Lucifer, 321 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: but he and his chief assistant, Satan, decided to rebel instead. Um, 322 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: they advocate for, quote, self assertion and Liberty for themselves 323 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: and the people on Arantia. And this is a bad thing, right. 324 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: This is framed as a bad thing. Satan, are two 325 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: different entities. There are two different entities and they are 326 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 1: they are fucking shipped up on our idea. Yeah, I'M 327 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: gonna quote next from the book ufo religions. Adam and Eve, 328 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: a son and daughter of the local system, arrived and 329 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: began the difficult task of attempting to untable the confused 330 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: affairs of a planet retarded by rebellion and resting under 331 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: the ban of spiritual isolation. According to the RANTIA papers, 332 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Adam and Eve were too impatient with the mission and 333 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: wanted immediate results, but the results thus secured proved most 334 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: disastrous both to themselves and to their world. That is, 335 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: they failed to adhere to the mission God set out 336 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: for them. Now, all that's a little confusing, and parsing 337 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: language from the book of Rantia into regular people talk 338 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: can be a little difficult, so I'm going to read 339 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: a summary from a write up in inverse to clarify 340 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: what is supposed to have happened. Adam and Eve messed up. So, 341 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: having failed to achieve race harmonization by the edamic technique, 342 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: part two, the local universe section of the book tells us, 343 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: you must now work out your planetary problem of race 344 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control. 345 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 1: In case there is any confusion as to what that means, 346 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: paper fifty one of the Rantia book says the inferior 347 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: and unfit are largely eliminated. It seems that you ought 348 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshipping of 349 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate and anti social stocks. 350 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: Weird because, like the Q and on, and like the 351 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: modern people that are like new age anti Semitic, they're 352 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: afraid of this. They're not, generally speaking, they're not. I mean, 353 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: I don't know, but from what I've seen of it, 354 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: they're not for this behavior. They're like trying to wake 355 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: up the people to the fact that this is what 356 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: the conspiracy is behind the scenes, the deep state or 357 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: whatever is actually doing. They are, although you might also 358 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: note that at kind of the same time they're, UM, 359 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: they're really paranoid about uh orright like. It might also 360 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: be worth noting that, like, at the same time they 361 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: are talking about like a purging of certain types of 362 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: people from the planet, right like. That's always a major factor. 363 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, Um, interesting stuff, but yeah, that's that's UH. 364 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: And it's also kind of worth noting that the term disfellowshipping, 365 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: which is in the Rantia book, that's what it calls 366 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: like the elimination of specific races, the biologic disfellowshipping. When 367 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: you get kicked out of the seventh day adventist church, 368 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: that's called disfellowshipping right. It's a very specific term that 369 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: they use. The fellowship I'm familiar. So it's interesting again 370 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: in terms of evidence, that it's Saddler who wrote this. 371 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: These aliens write a lot like former seventh adventists. Yeah, 372 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's really interesting to see how much of 373 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: like this lore was built in the late eighteen hundreds 374 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: to the early nine and the echoes are h still 375 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: impacting us today in like the new age communities and 376 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: stuff like. People are still echoing a lot of these 377 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: beliefs as fact and it's like these people this like 378 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: little intricate whatever the word, the phrase was, the incestuous 379 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: family unit or created all of this and then still, 380 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: a hundred years later, like it's still echoing throughout as fact. Yeah, 381 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: it's awesome and it's also cool that, like again you 382 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: can see these aliens, which are supposedly like enlightened galactic beings, 383 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: write an awful lot like a former seventh day adventist 384 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: who superindo eugenics. Like, weirdly they seem to be that 385 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: kind of they seem a lot like William Sadler. I 386 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: was gonna say they probably just cluded on Sadler because 387 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: they're like, hey, he gets us, yeah, he gets us. Well, 388 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: that's what so they will later in the book that 389 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: comes out of us. Will later claim that, like Sadler's 390 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: whole life was manipulated by these aliens to prepare him 391 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: for their revelations. So, like that's why he became and 392 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: then left the seventh day adventist faith and got into eugenics, 393 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: as they were, they were guiding him to being ready 394 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: to be like a vessel for this stuff. But you 395 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: know who else is a vessel for eugenics? The products 396 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: and services that support this podcast, Sophie and I are 397 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: entirely sponsored by big eugenics. So I would like to 398 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: be excluded from this narrative. That's too bad, Sophie. I 399 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: refuse to disfellowship you. You know, part of me is 400 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: like all. But then you just accused me of eugenics. 401 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: So No, just of being spawnsored, Sophie, of being sponsored 402 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: by eugenics. No, I'm good. The thanks so hard. Pass 403 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: on the sponsored by eugenics platform that you're standing on, Sophie. 404 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: Look whom, Stamonga is not sponsored by the concept of Eugenics? 405 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: That's what I had to ask. Well, not anymore. We're 406 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: back and we're talking about our sponsors. Big Eugenics, big EUGENICS, 407 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: let's give why not? Huh? That's the that's their mode. 408 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: Why not? Huh? It's a good time. Okay, well, that's 409 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: one opinion. Anyway. You might have noted from that last 410 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: bit that, while most of the revelations we've talked about 411 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: seemed to be like a harmless sci fi cookie shit, 412 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of it kind of sounds like a genocidal 413 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: rant about purging the world of like inferior races, like 414 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: stuff that you could fit into Nazi propaganda pretty easily. 415 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: And again, this is because it's all written by Dr 416 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: William Sadler. Part of why we know this is that, Duh. 417 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: Part of why we know this is that people who 418 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: have analyzed the book since after its publication note that 419 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: large segments of it are plagiarized almost word for word 420 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: from other books, including his books about eugenics. Very big brain. Yeah, well, 421 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: he didn't assume anyone would ever have like find and 422 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: replace in a in a Um. So yeah, it's cool. 423 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: The whole thing is basically a mix of his like 424 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: adventist beliefs, his eugenicist beliefs in like pop psychology of 425 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: the day, sandwiched between like weird pseudo Christian and like 426 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: alien stuff. I'M gonna quote from inverse again. Starting around 427 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: five thousand years ago, six colored races appeared on Orantia red, orange, yellow, green, 428 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: blue and indigo. The earlier races are somewhat superior to 429 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: the later, again because they're close to Adam and eve. 430 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: The Red Man stands far ablow above the indigo or 431 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: black race, says paper fifty one of the Orantia book, 432 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: and each succeeding evolutionary manifestation of a distinct group of 433 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: mortals represents variation at the expense of the original endowment. Furthermore, 434 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: the Yellow Ray usually enslaves the green while the blue man, 435 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: which corresponds to Caucasians, subdues the indigo or black. So 436 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: the ORANTIA book does not limit its racism to oblique references, 437 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: uh quote. In fact, pertext, evil in the form of 438 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: illness and disease exists because unfit people's like Australian natives 439 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: and the Bushman and pygmies of Africa. These miserable remnants 440 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: of the Non Social Peoples of ancient times haven't been eliminated. 441 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: Eugenics is the way to correct this error. So that's 442 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: the RANTIA book saying that, like, basically indigenous people and 443 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: Africans need to be eliminated. They were supposed to be 444 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: eliminated by Satan and Lucifer, but in their rebellions, Satan 445 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: and Lucifer and Adam and Eve didn't didn't do this. 446 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: So we have, so we have to now, right. That's 447 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: what Eugenics is necessary because earth isn't following interstellar law. 448 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: But maybe it shouldn't, like I'm sitting here thinking about it, 449 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: maybe Satan and Lucifer are right. Like the indigenous people 450 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: of like Australia and Africa and wherever else, we're living 451 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: in harmony with nature and as soon as it's like colonized, 452 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: we start overproducing things and, you know, destroying the land 453 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: and everything. So it sounds like these aliens are probably 454 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: a pretty bad influence on on earth. It's yeah, it 455 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: sounds like Satan and Lucifer may have may have had 456 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: things right. Anti colonial kings, say the devil and his 457 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: friend Satan Um, which is cool. I do also like 458 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: that in this cosmology, Jesus, who also exists and as 459 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: a son of God is a brother of Lucifer, which 460 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: is fun. And then like Satan's just like a guy 461 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: that Lucifer works with, Um, but yeah, Satan and Lucifer again, 462 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: pretty pretty based. Um. So the book goes on to 463 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: note biologic renovation of the racial stocks, the selective elimination 464 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: of inferior human strains, will tend to eradicate many mortal inequalities. 465 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: So basically all of our social inequality is caused by 466 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: the fact that we haven't genocide it enough people. Good. 467 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: That's uh, all right, we gotta honestly, it's a strong 468 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: backing for a crazy sci fi novel where the main 469 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: character is trying to overthrow all of this ship. It 470 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: would be right. You can actually make a pretty cool 471 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: story about this where you find out that, like, there's 472 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: this giant intergalactic government, but they're all basically Nazis and 473 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: the devil's Real, but he's a good guy who didn't 474 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: want to wipe out like. Um. Yeah, anyway, it's it's 475 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: it's cool stuff. Um. Now I should also note here 476 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: that Jesus is just a huge part of the RANTIA book. 477 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: There's a whole chunk of it called the Jesus papers. 478 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: Now Jesus is a son of God, right, but he's 479 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: not the son of God because, again, God, and this 480 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: is like he's like Elon Musk's dad, right, he's just 481 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: like fucking ship kids out everywhere. Yeah, he is. He 482 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: is spewing children over the multiverse. To be specific, Jesus 483 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: is one of seven hundred thousand Creator sons that got 484 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: ejaculated out into the universe. So, like, he's not very special. 485 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: At no seven kids, you wouldn't even remember their birthdays. Um, 486 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: you have thousands of kids die and it wouldn't mean 487 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: ship to you. So, as best as I can tell, 488 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Jesus in this book is a wise alien who came 489 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: to Earth to correct the errors that Satan and Lucifer introduced, 490 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: those errors being don't genocide indigenous people and black people. 491 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: So Jesus is kind of a Nazi in this Um 492 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: and he also has a pretty different backstory. And to 493 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: give that backstory I'm going to quote again from the 494 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: Book God talk by our Buddy the gooch. Quote the 495 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: final section containing the Jesus papers, the most accessible part 496 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: of the book, gives a day by day account of 497 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: all incidents left out of the New Testament concerning Jesus Christ. 498 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: We learned that when Jesus was fourteen, his father died 499 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 1: from a Derek collapsing on him, that Jesus visited a 500 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: university in Athens where he thoroughly discussed the teachings of Plato, 501 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: that he toured must much of the Roman world with 502 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: two natives of India, go not and Gann it, that 503 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: his in the tomb was speeded forward to complete disintegration, 504 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: while he appeared again and what was actually a reconstituted 505 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: spiritual body. Along the way, a few the Christian theological, 506 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: a few Keith Christian theological doctrines are handily abandoned. The 507 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: fall of man, the Virgin Birth, atonement, bodily resurrection. One 508 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: problem in understanding the book comes with its Dizzying Roll 509 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: Call of other worldly officials go between functionaries, angels, near 510 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: dear near Deities, spirits, bodies, planets, galaxies, stars, transport vehicles 511 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: and communication devices, somehow linking together the various worlds separated 512 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: by time, space and moral distance, and an updated version 513 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: of the medieval chain of being to complicate matters, this 514 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: cast of characters and locals are often given neologisms for 515 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: their names and titles. The terms derived from a strange 516 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: etymology that results in a kind of Indo European news speak, 517 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: Calaghastia Orantia Nebadn Oravontan Morontia, each of the papers as 518 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: its own presenter, identified by such theatrical names as brilliant 519 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: evening star, my any messenger, vorondetic son or Malavata Melich's neck. 520 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: The effect is of an exotic linguistic tissue laid over 521 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: a nuts and bolts grit, and it's all like it's 522 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of unreadable. You have to kind of read translations 523 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: of it from other people, because if you're not reading 524 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: from page one, like all of these different names and aliens, 525 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: it's just fucking nonsense. That's what we're not doing. A 526 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: ton of different quotes from it, but this is a 527 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: very poorly applied creative writing talent. Yes, this is somebody 528 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: who should have been like l Ron Hubbard, submitting short 529 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: stories to Shitty SCI FI magazine, but instead, for and 530 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: this is going on for like twenty something years, they're 531 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: they're submitting. You've got this forum and you've got this 532 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: commission who are like submitting questions to the mighty Melich's 533 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: neck or whatever. Then Melches Melcheseck or something, all these 534 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: fucking ridiculous space aliens who are like coming back with 535 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: answers and they're gradually building this collection of papers. And Yeah, 536 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: if what saddler and his followers say happened can be trusted, 537 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: which it can't, what's going on is that they're sleeping 538 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: source of right ship. The council will come back with 539 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: more questions, Um, and these will get like and it's 540 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: never exactly clear how the answers get written out or 541 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: how the questions get delivered to the aliens. They're very 542 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: coy about the process. Um. But in nineteen twenty three 543 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: the saddlers and the Kellogg's establish a forum, uh, to 544 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: discuss the papers and propose better questions. I'M gonna quote 545 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: from the Book Ufo Religions again here. In late nineteen five, 546 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: the form became a closed group, with members signing a 547 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: pledge of secrecy. The pledge read as follows. We acknowledge 548 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: our pledge of secrecy, renewing our promise not to discuss 549 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: the rantia revelations or their subject matter with anyone save 550 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: active forum members and to take no notes of such 551 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: matter as is read or discussed at the public sessions 552 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: or make copies or notes of what we personally read. 553 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: The forum held its last meeting in nineteen forty two. 554 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: The ORANTIA book was published in Nineteen Five, and shortly 555 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: after the publication of the RANTIA book, a final message 556 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: from the MIDWARS was received by the contact commission. You 557 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: are now on your own. After nearly fifty years, the 558 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: connection between the mortals of our planet and the Unseen 559 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: Midway Commission was severed and went dead. So that's that's 560 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: the story of how the papers get transmitted right. It's 561 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: all that. It's all taking place throughout his lifetime and 562 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: it's wrapping up when he's reaching older age. He's getting old, 563 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: is when it wraps up. Yeah, uh, and yeah, the 564 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: forum eventually has, like there's about four hundred people involved 565 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: in this overall thing, while the contact commissions against five 566 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: or six people and they're all saddlers and Kellogg's Um. 567 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: For years, the forum members were the only people who 568 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: are allowed to read the papers. They had like a 569 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: library that was operated by one of Kellogg's sons, who 570 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: is also the guy that people believe is the person 571 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: being channeled Um, and people could like check out papers, 572 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: but they couldn't take them away from the premises. So 573 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: that's the the way people are reading this for like 574 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: thirty years, twenty or thirty years. Uh. William's wife, Lena 575 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: was adamant that the papers had to be published, though. 576 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: So she's a big advocate of like we have to 577 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: put these together in a book and distribute them to 578 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the masses. So she starts collecting money to fund to 579 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: printing and has raised twenty dollars when she dies in 580 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine. When Lena falls out of the picture, 581 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: the forum falls to in fighting. It seems like she 582 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: was kind of the primary thing keeping this organized, and 583 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: after that they start to be big personality conflicts. The 584 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: chief instigator is an author named Harold Sherman. He's a 585 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: sci Fi writer whose nineteen seventy six book the green 586 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: man is the origin for the phrase little green men 587 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: from Mars. It's that guy. So he kind of goes 588 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: to war with Dr Sadler over control of the papers 589 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: and in ninety two he alleges that Sadler has been 590 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: tampering with the original transcripts by the midwys and altering things. Um, 591 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: getting called out. Let's go. Yeah, yeah, it's like a weird, 592 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: weird little, weird little fire within the cult, and I'm 593 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: gonna quote again from God talk. Sherman then exchanged a 594 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: series of disgruntled letters with another disillusioned former associate of 595 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: saddler's um former associate of Saddlers, Harry Jacob Luce, a 596 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 1: Chicago police officer and self proclaimed psychic, who felt that 597 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: something snapped in Dr Sadler at his wife's death. He 598 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: characterized Sadler is a power mad SVENGALI. The truth is 599 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: that Sadler is mentally unsound, loose, wrote to Sherman, a 600 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: Paranoiac with a Religio power complex, feverishly grasping for greater 601 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: jurisdiction over the mentalities of the many Oh that Dr 602 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: Lena had lived. How different developments would have been today? 603 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: Sadler has the usual evidence of long tat latent and 604 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: those of later years aroused mental sadism, which is just 605 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: as definite and fully recognized a condition as physical sadism. 606 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: So that's what people who are in this forum claim, 607 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: right and again. None of these papers are out for 608 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: other people. Yet this is purely just like a fight 609 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: between these weirdos. The girls are fighting. Oh, no, whatever, 610 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: is the truth of this? Like conflict within the forum 611 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: saddler winds and after twelve years of editing, from like 612 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, which is the last transmission, to nineteen 613 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: fifty five, they're just editing the papers together. He manages 614 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: to raise the last eighty thousand dollars needed to print 615 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: a first edition of the ORANTIA book on October Twelfth 616 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 1: Nineteen Fifty Five. It is published by the R R 617 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: Donnelly and sons company in Indianapolis. An organization, the Rantia Foundation, 618 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: had been established to distribute the book. That mailed off 619 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: copies to cultural leaders they thought might be sympathetic. Edward 620 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: R Murrow, Aldous Huxley and Eleanor Roosevelt All received copies. 621 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: Nobody read it. Um like interesting, don't worry none. Look, 622 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: you get a two thousand page book called the Rantia 623 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: Book About Space, aliens and the mail. I mean, I 624 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: actually would read that. I know it's like, is it 625 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: bad that I kind of want to copy? I'm just 626 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: morbidly curious. It is. It is available. Here's one of 627 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: the fun things. It is available for Free Online. The 628 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: RANTIA foundation tried to keep a copyright, but somebody put 629 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: it up digitally back in like the nineties, and then 630 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: there was a lawsuit over it and the people who 631 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: were putting it up online argued successfully in court that, like, Hey, 632 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: they're claiming this is written by aliens, so they can't 633 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: have a copyright for it. Yeah, this is like, Oh 634 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: my God, okayright, yeah, this isn't their book. It's written 635 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: by aliens. Why do they have a copy? which is awesome. 636 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: That fucking rules. It's my favorite part of this story that, like, 637 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: they successfully argue in court. Look, man, if aliens wrote 638 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: this ship, they can't be the ones who hold the copyrights. Um. 639 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: Dr Sadler actually survived fourteen years after the book's publication. 640 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: This guy lives for fucking ever. Um, he lives long 641 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 1: enough to see his son and grandson die, to see 642 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: Kellogg's turn into a sugary breakfast cereal that makes people come, 643 00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: probably if I understand Dr Kellogg's science properly. Um. And Yeah, 644 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: he ends to see like his publishing career fall apart. 645 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: You know, people stop accepting his books. Um, but he 646 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: seems to be good at the end. His last words 647 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: are the world is very this world is very real, 648 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: but the next one is much more real which is 649 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: in line with the philosophy outline in the RANTIA book, 650 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: which we're not going to get into in detail because 651 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: it's silly. What matters is that Dr Sadler dies right 652 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: on the cusp of the age that was turned his 653 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: book into an underground hit, and we're going to talk 654 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: about that next. But you know what else is an 655 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: underground hit? Tie? What else is an underground hit? The 656 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: products and services that support this podcast. They're underground because 657 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: they're all illegal. You know, every one of our products 658 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: is smuggled into your town and or city by Burt 659 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: Reynolds in a trans am, just just inches ahead of 660 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: the evil sheriff Buford t justice. Oh we're back. So 661 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, the year Dr Sadler dies, is also 662 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: obviously nineteen sixty nine, right. It's like the year that, like, 663 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:14,359 Speaker 1: the fucking New Age movement explodes. Hippies are all over 664 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: the place, there's all these seekers interested Manson time, Charles 665 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: Manson time, woodstock is huge explosion and interest in like Yoga, spiritualism, 666 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,360 Speaker 1: alternative religion, Buddhism, all of this stuff bursts in nineteen 667 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: sixty nine Um. And Yeah, the fact that the RANTIA book, 668 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: which is filled with aliens but also like Jesus, is 669 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: kind of like perfectly suited because again, the new age 670 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: types here, they're not willing to go that far out 671 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: of the box as they've been raised in. So if 672 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: you're both talking about like aliens and eastern religion, but 673 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 1: also you're throwing Jesus in there, that's going to appeal 674 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: to an awful lot of hippies. Right. The same year 675 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: Dr Sadler dies, a young man named Mo Seagel is 676 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 1: living in Boulder, Colorado and serving Asian herbal tea to 677 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: customers and a small shop that he had started. His 678 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: business was completely novel to Americans and to Westerners in general. 679 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: All mass market tea in the United States and Great 680 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: Britain at this point was made from the actual tea plant, 681 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: Camillius Senesis, and thus packaged packed a heavy wallop of caffeine. Right, 682 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: tea is actually tea. At that point, herbal tea is 683 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: not tea and that it does not contain the tea plant. Right, 684 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 1: it's made up of basically any other plant. Right. But 685 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: you can't buy herbal tea at that point. Obviously, indigenous 686 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: people had a number of different herbal teas. The concept 687 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: has existed, but nobody sells it. You can't go to 688 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: a store and purchase an herbal tea. In nineteen sixty nine, 689 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: most seagel is the first guy who starts this as 690 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: a business. Um So, herbal ty obviously is an ancient concept, 691 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: but from a capitalist point of view it's entirely new. 692 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: The same year that most starts his business, he happens 693 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: across a copy of the arountia book in a shop 694 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: near his house. He later wrote quote I thought it 695 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: was just the goofiest thing I'd ever read. At to 696 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: read it, I was not concerned about who had written 697 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: it or how it had been written because it was 698 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: so powerful. So he like starts reading this is just 699 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: like wow, look at this fucking ridiculous thing, and then 700 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,839 Speaker 1: becomes deeply pilled, I guess you say, hopefully coersive reading 701 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: into it. Um So, he's just kind of been selling 702 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: a handful of teas at a tiny shop, but he 703 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: he after reading this book, gets convinced that he needs 704 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: to do something bigger. So he takes a group of 705 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: his friends, who are all big fans of the RANTIA book, 706 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: and they start hiking in the rockies and picking dozens 707 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: of pounds of herbal tea at a time and mixing 708 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: them together into hands owned bags and selling them, initially 709 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: at local stores and then all across Colorado. The business 710 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 1: takes off very quickly, and MOE claims that his desire 711 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,279 Speaker 1: to expand a nationwide is fueled by his interest in 712 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,520 Speaker 1: the RANTIA book. Quote. After studying the teachings in the 713 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: ORANTIA book, I knew that I would feel selfish and 714 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: wasteful to simply focus on material success. So, as a 715 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: young man, when I began thinking about what I could 716 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: do to make a living, I have innch, I immediately 717 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: turned to the health food industry. So that's what leads 718 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: Mo and his fellow flower children to turn their tea 719 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: company into a real business. In honor of the celestial 720 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: beings who had dictated the book they held so dear, 721 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: they named it celestial seasonings. Now you'll hear a couple 722 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: of different claims. They also say it's the name of 723 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 1: like based on the flower name of one of the 724 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: people who founded it, but there's debate about this. Uh. 725 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: In short order, though, their sleepy time tea has become 726 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: the number one best selling tea in the United States 727 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: and is today the number one best selling specialty t 728 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: of all time worldwide. Um each bag includes an inspirational 729 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: message written on the tag, which initially were direct quotes 730 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: from the Rante a book. For whatever reason, they tended 731 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: to avoid the verses about eugenics and racial inferior at 732 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: Crescent Celestial seasonings is the number one team manufacturer in 733 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: the United States. Its products makes more than a hundred 734 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: million dollars a year. Mo continued to lead the company 735 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty nine up through a merger with craft, 736 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,800 Speaker 1: a corporate buy back and its eventual acquisition by the 737 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: Haines celestial group. Along the way, Mo never forgot his roots, 738 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 1: by which I mean doctor saddlers space genocide book, from 739 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: a write up seagull made on the Rantia Book Fellowship 740 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: website quote, and this is the founder of celestial seasonings. 741 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: Illness and disease results from evil and cause suffering. Unfortunately, 742 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: several factors hinder progress towards the development of the disease 743 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: free world. The Laws of genetics are immutable and form 744 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: the physical cornerstone of evolution. At the present time, mankind 745 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: loses about as much progress as it makes by ignoring eugenics, 746 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: implying that we need to do eugenics. Yeah, yeah, we've 747 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: gotta be doing more eugenic because we can't get rid 748 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: of disease. The goal of the human race is to 749 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: get rid of disease, which is why am is a 750 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: big advocate of natural foods. Right. Natural Foods are healthier, 751 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: they keep you from getting disease, but we can't eliminate 752 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,840 Speaker 1: disease until we eliminate certain kinds of people. That's in 753 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: same yeah, we have to stop people who are differently 754 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: able or whatever from breeding and we have to stop 755 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,959 Speaker 1: certain races from breeding in order to stop disease. That's 756 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 1: the founder of sleepy time tea and that's like the 757 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,439 Speaker 1: problem with people that are like dipping their toes into 758 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: the new age movement right now is they'll immediately be 759 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: introduced to some of these concepts that, on the surface, 760 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: don't seem like they're founded in Eugenics and ship like that. 761 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: But once you just start like peeling the layer back, 762 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: it's right there and it's unavoidable and then you're like 763 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: what do I do? Like, yeah, it's it's very funny. Um, 764 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: it's not funny. You can't say if you're if you 765 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,439 Speaker 1: go to bed sipping a sleepy time tea, you can think. 766 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: You know if you're if you use a wheelchair, if 767 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: your vision isn't perfect, if you're not a white nordic, 768 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: for example, if you're one of the dreaded Alpine race. 769 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: The guy you sit before bed doesn't want your round 770 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,880 Speaker 1: head to be breeding. Um. So that's cool. Probably wouldn't 771 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: have guessed that when you woke up this morning you 772 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: would apparently heard this die. I. So I do. Um, 773 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: I do like a podcast called Celestial cafe actually, but 774 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: it's with a couple of my we deep dive into 775 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: like witchy, you know, Tarot, like Ac cult stuff and uh, 776 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: we we start every episode talking about what drinks were drinking. 777 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 1: So we all frequently are drinking teas and things like that, 778 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: and celestial seasonings has been a topic of conversation amongst 779 00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: the four of us because it's literally one step back 780 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 1: into the direction of that appealing back the layer and 781 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: we're like hold up, now we have a second and 782 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 1: that's why all of the teas on my shelf, I 783 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,600 Speaker 1: stopped buying celestial seasonings after that. Well good, Um, it 784 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: is tasty, but yeah, it's you might be willing to, 785 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,840 Speaker 1: you might be able to keep buying it after this. 786 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that a little at the end. 787 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: So I will say too. I guess his credit, Mo 788 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: never tried to hide the importance of the ARANTIA book 789 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: to sleepy time tea or it's an fluence in his life. 790 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: Nor did he try to hide the fact that he 791 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: was a eugenicist like he's. He's not coy about this, 792 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: he's not ashamed, he's proud. Nobody really notices until which 793 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: is really weird. But that's not on Mo. He's very 794 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: open about this. He authors several texts explaining the RANTIA 795 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: book and boiling down its teachings, and he repeatedly credits 796 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: the book with providing the moral companies the compass that 797 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: he and his co workers started their company on. Quote. 798 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 1: I had wanted bold, I found bold. I wanted spiritual 799 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: adventure and I was on the right of my life. 800 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: I was searching for Truth and the book was loaded 801 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: with it. And there's no doubt that one of the 802 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: truth's animating celestial seasonings and most Seagel was the need 803 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: to purge a large amount of the human population through 804 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: controlled breeding. And I'M gonna quote now from a write 805 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: up by Megan Giller, and Megan Giller is the reason 806 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: why people know this story. She writes an article for 807 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: a now defunct website in two thousand fifteen, which is 808 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: then republished more recently by inverse. It's Megan Giller who 809 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,319 Speaker 1: actually again, this was all out there for people to find. 810 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: Megan is the first person and she's like a food 811 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,440 Speaker 1: journalist who like realizes, like why isn't anyone talking about this? 812 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: This is nuts, what the fuck um? So credit to 813 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: Megan broke this UM quote. The fellowship is putting its 814 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: money where its mouth is too. In a two thousand 815 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,720 Speaker 1: ten email sent to readers with advanced information and forward 816 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: looking perspectives that are not suited for being posted on 817 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: the website, a follower named Martin Greenhood writes that the 818 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: trustees have continuvened a panel on eugenics. He names all 819 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,759 Speaker 1: of the panel members, the most striking of which is 820 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: Kerman Anderson, who at the time was the genetic screening 821 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: program director at Kaiser Permanente in California and the author 822 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: of much genetics research. So again, members of the Rantia Foundation, 823 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: like people who are inspired by this book about Alien 824 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: Eugenics are like in two thousand and ten include people 825 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 1: who are doing genetic screening at Kaiser Permanente, directing programs, 826 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: and they're like convening fucking panels and God knows, like 827 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: some amount of sleepy time team money is funding because 828 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: most Siegel is the president of the Orantia Foundation for 829 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: a large chunk of the time that he is running 830 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,040 Speaker 1: celestial seasonings. You know, like they are not entirely separate. 831 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: So there is a period at which celestial seasonings is 832 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: to some extent aiding and funding the fucking Rantia Foundation, 833 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: directly or indirectly. That's a little unclear. It's not like 834 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,280 Speaker 1: the company is directly handing money to them, but anyway, 835 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 1: um or at least we don't know that they were. 836 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: Now I should note for the purposes of accuracy and 837 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: not getting sued, most Siegel is no longer directly involved 838 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: with celestial seasonings. He's stole on the Board for the 839 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: RANTIA Foundation. He retires from the company in two thousand two. 840 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: His Co founder and fellow Ranti and John Hay Quentin 841 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,360 Speaker 1: nineteen five because he was offended by Siegel's desire to 842 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: become like Coca Cola in the words of one colleague. Um, 843 00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,479 Speaker 1: and in two thousand seagulls sells the company to Haines 844 00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 1: Celestial Group, whose name is actually a coincidence. It seems. 845 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: Haine is basically the company that invinced the natural health 846 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: food is a product category, and that's who runs it now. Um, 847 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,160 Speaker 1: there's a couple of shady things about hayine. Broadly speaking, 848 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,040 Speaker 1: they seem to be in a better company than most 849 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,480 Speaker 1: within sort of the food industry. Um, you know, they 850 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: they have a great rating from how good, Um, in 851 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: terms of social and environmental impact. There have been a 852 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: couple of scandals, none of which, you're super related to 853 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,800 Speaker 1: the RANTIA foundation stuff. So it's worth up until like 854 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 1: two thousand two, you might view kind of celestial seasonings 855 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: is sort of like the eugenics version of Chick Fil A. Now, 856 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: probably not like it's unclear. Obviously I suspect that fucking seagull, 857 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: who's still around, has stock in the in the company, 858 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: and so probably because he's a big funder of the 859 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,719 Speaker 1: fucking foundation, you could argue that some amount of the 860 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: money that celestial seasonings makes could go to the foundation, 861 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: but there's not a direct connection anymore. They're they're pretty 862 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: much corporate and obviously I don't think Haines's celestial group 863 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: is funding the rantia foundation or anything like that. So 864 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: you are probably safe buying sleepy time tea today, but 865 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 1: this is where it comes from and it's it's again 866 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,759 Speaker 1: like all I all I'm thinking about listening to these 867 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: stories is these companies were able to be so loved, 868 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: I guess, by the people at the time, like back 869 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,440 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen hundreds, mid nineteen hundreds, that they 870 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: are now titans in our food industry, like Kellogg's is 871 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: still a titan here and it could never have grown 872 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,719 Speaker 1: that large if it weren't so widely supported in the 873 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: beginning and when they were a lot more overt with 874 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,080 Speaker 1: their eugenicist beliefs and stuff. That means that it was 875 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: also a reflection of society, like much more deeply at 876 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 1: the time, and it's just really disheartening. Yeah, it's interesting because, like, 877 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: I think it got kind often. I think most people 878 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: who would have been aware of this to some extent 879 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: the Ranti book would have just been like, oh, it's 880 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: a weird book about space aliens and then kind of 881 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,840 Speaker 1: that that's that's it. I I think it probably was 882 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: not noticed by most people that like there's genocide ship 883 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: in here. Yeah, Um, and again, I don't I should honestly, 884 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: to be entirely honest, if you are a sleepy time 885 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: tea consumer, I don't believe any of your money is 886 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,759 Speaker 1: going to help this anymore. Nobody really cares about the 887 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 1: RANTIA book. They are not certainly not doing what chick 888 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,880 Speaker 1: fil a is doing right, like, which is actively contributing 889 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680 Speaker 1: to direct harm. This is more just like in that 890 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: weird your favorite tea comes from eugenics. Um, Wacky, Huh. 891 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: It does, just make it have a sour taste to me. 892 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: I'm just like there's so many other like Indie t 893 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: companies I could be supporting or like smaller. Sure, sure, 894 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: and that's that's perfectly reasonable. I don't want to do 895 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: like people have so many find so many reasons these 896 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: days to be like. Oh, another thing I love is 897 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,040 Speaker 1: like fucked up. Yeah, there's a fund up history here. 898 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: It's fine, right, like, you're not. If you have you 899 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: don't go. You don't have to go throwing out your 900 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,800 Speaker 1: sleepy time tea. If it helps you go to sleep, 901 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: you are it is not aiding at abetting eugenics at 902 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 1: this point to consume sleepy time teath. I just I 903 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: think it's a fun story right, like it is. It 904 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,800 Speaker 1: is kind of like fucking wild right that this is 905 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,799 Speaker 1: just like. Well, it also makes you wonder how many 906 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,320 Speaker 1: other just things in your cabinet have weird fucking backstories 907 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: that you've never dug into. Yeah, exactly, like that's that's it. 908 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,320 Speaker 1: It's one of those. I read this great article by Megan, 909 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,359 Speaker 1: Oh Gosh, what's her Megan Giller Um, who again gets 910 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: the credit for breaking the part of the story that 911 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: it's connected to celestial seasonings, and I wanted to do 912 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: that story. But there's not really a lot to say. 913 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 1: Most SEAGEL definitely sucks. He's like an example of the 914 00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,920 Speaker 1: kind of Hippie we don't talk about enough, which is 915 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: like hippies that are super racist and bigoted and like 916 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 1: believed terrible things about the world, which he does, because 917 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,759 Speaker 1: he writes about eugenics and that's fucked up Um. But 918 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day he made like herbal 919 00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 1: tea popular, which is not terrible and I don't think 920 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: I can't really see how like, I don't know, there 921 00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: probably is if someone were to do more research, like 922 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: the fact that that fucking Kaiser Permanente, director of genetic research, 923 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 1: is an Irantean and in part of their eugenetics commission. 924 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: That someone should look into that more. That does deserve investigation. 925 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 1: Maybe there's a worse story here, but as I looked 926 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,200 Speaker 1: into it I came to be like, Oh, the story 927 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: here is about Dr William Sadler. This like piece of 928 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: ship trend following eugenicist and like it's just it's interesting 929 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,920 Speaker 1: to me how this all came together. Um, so there's 930 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: another piece of like good old fashioned American occult history 931 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,080 Speaker 1: for you. Beautiful, delicious no number. I hope you all 932 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,800 Speaker 1: found it delicious. Slip it on up, suck it down, 933 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: lick a look at good by the Rantea tea bag. 934 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 1: Get Yeah, as we always say at the end of episodes, 935 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,800 Speaker 1: get tea bag, Sophie. Are we still sponsored by the 936 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,919 Speaker 1: concept of getting tea bagged? We're not. We're not being sponsored. Okay, 937 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,839 Speaker 1: sponsorship that would never die, though. You'd always yeah, you know, big, 938 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: big Um. Well, in any case, testicles and UH ty. 939 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,239 Speaker 1: Do you have anything you want to plug at the 940 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: end here? Um, come check us out over on boss level. 941 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,879 Speaker 1: PODCAST we're interviewing a lot of fun people. I believe 942 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: we've got to have a wonderful conversation with Sophie over 943 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: there a week or two ago. Um, is that right? 944 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Daniel Danial just designs me things, okay, Um, 945 00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, we interview a lot of great people in 946 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,960 Speaker 1: the broadcasting, gaming streaming industry and chat about how you 947 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 1: can be your own boss, how to become boss level. Uh, 948 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,080 Speaker 1: it's it's very empowering, very very girl boss gaslight gate. 949 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:57,880 Speaker 1: Keep like Helena Blovotsky. I'm just kidding, Helena Blovotsky. We 950 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: stand a queen. Alright, well, check out tie Um and 951 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,480 Speaker 1: and send death threats to her partner, Danieal on my behalf. 952 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,240 Speaker 1: We'll take him down together, everybody. Don't do that, Sophie. 953 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: We've lived under his thumb long enough. It's time to 954 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:24,879 Speaker 1: be free. You know, I can't. Danil's perfect, perfect monster. Yeah, 955 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,759 Speaker 1: but but have you seen his puppy? It balances out. 956 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 1: I have seen a good his puppy is pretty good. 957 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,400 Speaker 1: But what do you what? What if I mean, have 958 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:42,840 Speaker 1: you considered asking the aliens that run? And that's the episode. Wow, sophie, 959 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 1: fucked up, Baby. I was born, Hubbard Baby, always be Hubbard, 960 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,360 Speaker 1: and all right behind the bastards. Is a production of 961 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,439 Speaker 1: cool zone media. 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