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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and multiple polls have shown President Trump's

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Speaker 1: approval rating plummeting. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today, the one the only. George Conway stops by

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Speaker 1: to talk about Trump's terrible strategy in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Mom's Demand Action founder Shannon Watts

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Speaker 1: about her new book, Fired Up, How to turn your

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Speaker 1: spark into a flame and come alive at any age.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Molly, you know what I would be doing if I

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Speaker 3: was at this administration. Well, funny enough, it's exactly what

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Speaker 3: they're doing. Blame Biden for everything because their people will

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Speaker 3: buy it. And boy, they really can't stop blaming Biden

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Speaker 3: for everything. I think I saw the weather got blamed

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Speaker 3: on Biden this week.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson wrote a book which said

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Speaker 1: that there was some huge conspiracy. Okay, I have not

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Speaker 1: seen this huge conspiracy, and the fact that my man

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Speaker 2: Doesn't matter irrelevant, right.

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Speaker 1: What is relevant is that now the GOP super psyched,

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Speaker 1: right because they finally have something to run on, which

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Speaker 1: is Joe Biden being old. Joe Biden has stage four

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Speaker 1: cancer melanoma that has metastasized to his bones. So he

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Speaker 1: He has lost reelection, so he's not president. He's not

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Speaker 1: going to have a run again. This is all just

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Speaker 1: torturing a man. And I have to say I saw

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Speaker 1: a clip today of Tapper and another pundit talking about

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Speaker 1: how maybe Joe Biden wasn't as good a person as

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Speaker 1: he was advertised to be. Who the fuck cares? Okay,

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Speaker 1: who the fuck cares? Joe Biden is not present. He's

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Speaker 1: not going to be president again, period. Paragraph you know

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Speaker 1: who is President, Donald fucking Trump. So this is so dumb.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that it is helpful Republicans because

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Speaker 1: I think it's so stupid. And the truth is Joe

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Speaker 1: going to just this is just so disgusting. Anyway, So

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Speaker 1: Senator John Cordon from Texas and Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri,

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Speaker 1: those two co chair a judicial Committee, and they have

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Speaker 1: a hearing next week titled Unfit to Serve How the

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Speaker 1: Biden cover up in endangered America and undermine the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: just bombed a ran right because he saw on Fox

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Speaker 1: News that he should. If you're not absolutely furious about this,

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Speaker 1: then I mean, this is a direct result of Jake

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Speaker 1: Tapper's book. Okay, and I'm glad that he made millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars because God bless them. I mean, it's hard

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Speaker 1: enough being a TV anchor, but this is really just disgusting.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not even the.

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Speaker 1: Biggest Biden fan, but I think what Jake Tapper has

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Speaker 1: done here is just beyond appalling. And I work really

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Speaker 1: this is just grotesque. So Comer is going to interview

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Speaker 1: former White House Staff Secretary ne Or Tanden Joe Biden's

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Speaker 1: and Donnelly and Anita Dunn and Ron Klain, Steve Eshetty.

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Speaker 1: He's going to bring out everyone, and you know what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna say. Some days he was good and some

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Speaker 1: days he was bad because he was old, and you

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Speaker 3: Jesse g Now, would it be this man that some

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Speaker 3: people say is orange and bad?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Orangeman bad retweet If truth, this is as angry as

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Speaker 2: And also it's quite cool.

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Speaker 1: You know. I am really just so glad that Jake

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Speaker 1: Tapper was able to make a ton of money. Congrat

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Speaker 1: radulations Jake Tapper on doing.

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Speaker 4: All of this, Well, Molly.

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Speaker 2: Little, are you a little surprised that I did that?

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Speaker 3: No, speaking of choices of who to blame, obviously, there's

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Speaker 3: since I think they're absolutely terrible and it's reprehensible the

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Speaker 3: and the Democrats have chosen Robert Garcia, despite much of

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Speaker 3: the base wanting to see Representative Jasmine Crockett to get

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Speaker 3: this seat. What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: I am a big Jasmine Crockett fan. But I am

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Speaker 1: also a big Robert Garcia fan because he and I

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Speaker 1: as Jasmine Grappit and I do think there really is

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Speaker 1: which is a you should give the most charismatic, most

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Speaker 3: In the corporate world, one would say is we're hiring

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Speaker 3: for the skill set needed for the job, right.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I agree, But I do think like there

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Speaker 1: were some really old people who wanted the job, Steven

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Speaker 3: But both in their seventies. We should say, whereas Robert

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Speaker 3: Garcia is a spry forty seven, just like you and I,

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Speaker 1: Know, three years older than Jasmine, but he's a pretty

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Speaker 1: good communicator. He's not as good as Jasmine capturing the spotlight,

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Speaker 2: He's done a pretty good job in California.

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Speaker 1: And I think that you know, this is this idea

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Speaker 1: happen to be a big Jasmine Crockett fan too, but

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Speaker 1: I think that what they're doing at least is they're

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Speaker 1: this is too little, too late.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, mai. Now we have a walk on cameo

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Speaker 3: from one of our favorite stars of what we discuss

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Speaker 3: the Senate Parliamentarian. It turns out that Senate Republicans cannot

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Speaker 3: force the US Postal Service to scrap electrical vehicles because

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Speaker 3: apparently performative moronics is not a part of the Parliamentarian's

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Speaker 3: rules and bylaws.

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Speaker 1: Yes, formative moronics is not. I mean, look, it's like

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Speaker 1: I vacillate between being just so depressed and also like

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Speaker 1: this is so ridiculously you know, I vacillated between being

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Parliamentarian.

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Speaker 1: Should strike a lot of the bullshit and the bill out,

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Speaker 3: The public lands sales, the public lands.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, this is a wreck. I think we

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Speaker 1: forget that the BBB is being passed through reconciliation. Reconciliation

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Speaker 1: So good for the parliamentarian. You'll remember, this is the

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Speaker 1: So they're going to scrap all these evs because they

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Speaker 1: don't believe climate change is real. It will cost millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars. It will be expensive, fucked up, totally stupid.

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Speaker 3: And just cost more money and add to the budget

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Speaker 1: Tend to care about exactly. So good on the parliamentarian

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Speaker 1: for not letting the report publicans do something totally stupid

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Speaker 3: Speaking of stupid and fucked up, Ice has deported dozens

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the new Supreme Court decision should make them

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Speaker 3: Which Supreme Court decision is that, Molly, since we didn't

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Speaker 1: So Supreme Court has lifted limits on Trump deporting migrants

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Speaker 1: as according to Justice Sonia so to my Er and

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Speaker 1: I think this is a really good point. It is

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Speaker 1: it's legalizing their lawlessness. So Demayer said, the Court is

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Speaker 2: To do more really really bad staff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure this is just going to bolden their

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Speaker 3: recklessness and Stephen Miller's extreme enthusiasm towards that. That's the

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Speaker 1: George Conway is the host of George Conway explains it all.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Fast Politics. George Conway.

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Speaker 4: Bye, If I start a fight with you and we

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Speaker 4: yell and scream at each other and then I declare

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Speaker 4: a ceasefire, can I get a Nobel Peace Prize?

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Speaker 2: Only one?

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Speaker 1: You only want one Nobel Peace prize.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'll take as many as they give me.

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Speaker 2: You're not going to get a Nobel Peace Prize because

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about Donald Trump, who I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've heard of him. He is the president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. He has brought world peace. So what

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Speaker 4: I mean, there is basically what my take on it,

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Speaker 4: And you have to sort of oho is the problem

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Speaker 4: this like a rational military operation where you're attacking somebody

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Speaker 4: to achieve some military objective, like a valid military objective.

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Speaker 4: Let's leave apart the question of international law, but a

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Speaker 4: clear military objective would be destruction of as much as

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Speaker 4: that requires the use of centrifuges. Right, so I've got one.

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Speaker 4: So basically you've got facilities with the centrifuges where Iran

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Speaker 1: So you're saying Obama, Yes, who's saying yeah, who's saying

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Speaker 1: black guys?

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Speaker 4: The black guy that that some people don't like because

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Speaker 4: he's black guys black?

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Speaker 4: And then you've got these centrifuges in a mountain a

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Speaker 4: It goes through this whole thing of I'm going to

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Speaker 4: is my question because I feel like I understand that

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Speaker 4: we see different countries trying to work Trump right, thinking

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Speaker 4: they've cracked the code. They're doing it in different ways,

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Speaker 4: but they're all doing it.

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Speaker 1: But my question for you is Peter Navarro, who you

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Speaker 1: may remember from earlier this season, seems to have disappeared.

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Speaker 1: We were promised ninety deals in ninety days. We have

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Speaker 1: one outline of a deal, so that's like maybe sixty

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Speaker 1: so we have like zero point six of a deal.

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Speaker 1: If they're working him, why aren't they better at it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the problem is he likes he likes having

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Speaker 4: these towers out there because it makes him feel powerful.

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Speaker 4: And the way the way you buy him off is

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Speaker 4: not necessarily by something that benefits the United States, but

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Speaker 4: by by you know, playing to his ego. How they're

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Speaker 4: managing that, I don't know, I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 1: But do you think I mean, do you do you

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Speaker 1: think like mid July is the deadline? So like, do

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Speaker 1: you think it just keeps getting punted? I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think they're it is?

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Speaker 2: I see?

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Speaker 4: The problem is you can't look at this rationally, right

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Speaker 4: because you don't know what's going to satisfy him. Okay,

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Speaker 4: that's not what you would satisfy you. It's what strikes

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Speaker 4: him in the moment as beneficial to him. And you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't know what that's going to be at any

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Speaker 4: given moment.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that Trump actually launched those nukes because

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Speaker 1: he tends to taco, right. Trump always chickens out. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this is a sort of new, slightly

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Speaker 1: more aggressive Trump than in one point zero?

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Speaker 4: Oh well, it's it's he's more aggressive in the sense

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Speaker 4: that there's nobody tell him telling him, nobody in a

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Speaker 4: position to tell him not. This new stupid basis right

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Speaker 4: in that sense. He's chicken in the sense that he's indecisive,

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Speaker 4: and he's indecisive because he doesn't understay, and he's way

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Speaker 4: over his head and he can't think right. He doesn't think.

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Speaker 4: Everybody thinks he's got this strategy for everything. There is

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Speaker 4: no never a strike. It's pure impulse, and one moment

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Speaker 4: the impulse goes one way, one moment the impulse goes

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Speaker 4: the other way, which is what we saw. And then

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Speaker 4: but also that impulsiveness and that erratic nature is enhanced

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Speaker 4: by the fact that every time he changes his mind,

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Speaker 4: he gets attention, right. I mean, it's like Stalin used

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Speaker 4: to Here's what Stalin used to do. Stalin used to say,

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Speaker 4: you know, take his minions and basically, you know, get

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Speaker 4: mad at them and say I'm going to put you, you know,

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Speaker 4: biring squad for you right right, and and then you know,

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Speaker 4: and everybody's.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Secretary, and then they he give them reprieve because it

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Speaker 4: made him feel powerful. And that's what is that's the

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Speaker 4: erratic nature of Trump. It's why he basically thowdled about

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Speaker 4: bombing Iran, even though you could argue there was no

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Speaker 4: street the actual military benefit to doing that if the

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Speaker 4: if in fact, you're giving them time to move the

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Speaker 4: centril fuge is and you're not bombing the place where

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Speaker 4: the enriched uranium is, and they could move the rich

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Speaker 4: rainium probably easier than they could move the center viewes.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's all about what makes him feel good

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Speaker 4: at any given time, which can change hour by hour.

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Speaker 4: And that's the that's it's more that than chickening out

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Speaker 4: right that the the tariffs were. He he wants to

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Speaker 4: do it because he gets some attention and not doing attention.

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Speaker 4: And yes, he's also you know, to some extent, they

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Speaker 4: got through to him saying, well, you know, we're going

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Speaker 4: to have a recession. And those numbers, the numbers at

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Speaker 4: the end of this, I guess it was the first quarter,

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Speaker 4: were pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, so you know, there there is some degree of

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Speaker 4: you know, he is fearful that it's going to blow

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Speaker 4: up in his face, the same way he was fearful that,

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Speaker 4: you know, of being attacked for launching some greater war,

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Speaker 4: which you know he was willing to risk. But he

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Speaker 4: figured he could just declare victory, which is what he does,

511
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Speaker 4: and he creates and that's what he does. So you know,

512
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Speaker 4: this is his whole this is his whole modus operandi

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Speaker 4: of creating crisis and then declaring that he solved the

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Speaker 4: crisis that he created. He loves to do that. He's

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Speaker 4: been doing that with the tariffs, and then he's been

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Speaker 4: doing that with with Iran, and you know, we may

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Speaker 4: see that again with the tariffs. He may he may

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Speaker 4: just to.

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Speaker 2: We're out of time. Thank you, Thank you, George Gonway,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 1: Channon Watts is the founder of Mom's Demand Action and

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Speaker 1: the author of Fired Up, How To turn your spark

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Speaker 1: into a flame and come alive at any need. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about this book, tell us why you decided to

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Speaker 1: do this were you came into my life as one

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Speaker 1: of the most important activists about guns, and you continue

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Speaker 1: to do that work.

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Speaker 2: But tell me about this new book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 6: I I spent eleven years as the leader of Mom's

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Speaker 6: Men Action after founding it in twenty twelve after the

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Speaker 6: Sandy Hook School shooting. And it was in twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: two that I decided, Okay, this is my last year,

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Speaker 6: and it's a long time to be a full time

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Speaker 6: volunteer and I just wanted to take a break. I

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Speaker 6: was running on the treadmill one night and I looked

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Speaker 6: down on my phone. It was Maria Shreiver, who I

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Speaker 6: didn't know, and she said, hey, I would love for

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Speaker 6: you to write a book for my imprint. And I said, well,

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Speaker 6: that's an amazing opportunity. What do you want me to

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Speaker 6: write about? And she said, what have you learned about women? Look,

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Speaker 6: that could be you know, a trilogy. But I ended

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Speaker 6: up synthesizing it into this metaphor about fire, and I

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Speaker 6: interviewed over seventy other women and it's this idea of

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Speaker 6: boiling it down to really, men are taught to fulfill

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Speaker 6: their desires and women are taught to fill their obligations.

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Speaker 6: And how do we shift that paradigm so that women

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Speaker 6: get to the end of their lives and feel like burned,

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Speaker 6: like they pursued the things that were important to them.

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Speaker 6: And so I go through all the re seas that

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Speaker 6: women don't and how they can break through those obstacles.

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Speaker 1: That's so important and I love that story. I also

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Speaker 1: so I wonder You've been such an important activist and

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Speaker 1: you have such a good and I feel like, at

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Speaker 1: this moment your story is so important because there are

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Speaker 1: many many women in this country and men too, who

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Speaker 1: are having the moment that you.

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Speaker 2: Had after Sandy Hook.

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Speaker 1: I know the story, but I wonder if you could

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Speaker 1: just sort of quickly sum up how you got there,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's very important. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I was forty one years old. I had taken a

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Speaker 6: five year break from my career in corporate communications because

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Speaker 6: I had just remarried, and I was blending our family

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Speaker 6: of five kids, very cold day in Indiana and folding

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Speaker 6: laundry in my bedroom and I see a Cairn on

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Speaker 6: the television that there's an active shooter inside in elementary

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Speaker 6: school in Connecticut, And like I'm sure you and others listening,

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Speaker 6: I sort of just sat down on the side of

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Speaker 6: my bed and was devastated. I mean, I went to

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Speaker 6: bed sobbing, and at some point in the middle of

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Speaker 6: the night that sadness turned into abject rage. When I

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Speaker 6: woke up, I just was so agitated I had to

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Speaker 6: do something. Now, keep in mind, back in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 6: Facebook was very popular with middle aged women, and so

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Speaker 6: I knew how to start a Facebook page, and I

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Speaker 6: did not have a focus group in my kitchen. So

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Speaker 6: I called it one Million Moms for Gun Control until

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Speaker 6: my kid, who's gay, told me one million Moms is

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Speaker 6: like an anti gay group, and no one says gun control.

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Speaker 6: We quickly changed the name, but that was really the

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Speaker 6: genesis of what became the largest women led nonprofit in

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Speaker 6: the country, if not the world.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's really cute. By the way, I feel

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Speaker 1: like the gun safety movement has actually really benefited from

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Speaker 1: your work, which is amazing to be able to say

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Speaker 1: that because we spend so much time with members of

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Speaker 1: Congress complaining about how I mean, I heard a member

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Speaker 1: of Congress the other day complaining about how there was

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Speaker 1: no fact checking on the internet.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, couldn't you have been.

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Speaker 1: The fucking person to have created a fat right? But whatever,

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if you could just tell us how

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Speaker 1: what the sort of ways in which you feel you

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Speaker 1: were able to enact change.

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Speaker 6: Well, so I want to be clear, and this is

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Speaker 6: what I talk about in my book Fired Up, is

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Speaker 6: that you know, I am not a unicorn. We all

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Speaker 6: have value, skills and desires that can help us meet

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Speaker 6: the moment right now, and we all should be doing that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the world needs us, especially women, to be

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Speaker 6: doing that right now. I was a forty one year

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Speaker 6: old woman who knew little to nothing about organizing legislation

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Speaker 6: gun violence. I had untreated severe ADHD, and I had

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Speaker 6: a debilitating fear of public speaking, like not someone you

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Speaker 6: would point to and say, oh, that woman should take

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Speaker 6: on the most powerful, wealthy special interests ever existed, right,

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Speaker 6: And yet I was exactly the right person for the job.

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Speaker 6: And that's really what I want people to take away,

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Speaker 6: which is we all need to do something in this moment.

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Speaker 6: But I was grateful and lucky that so many perfect

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Speaker 6: strangers across the country brought their skills to the table

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Speaker 6: and helped me. I had the ability as a communicator

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Speaker 6: to tell a story and create messaging and build a brand,

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Speaker 6: but so many other people brought their skills to the table,

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Speaker 6: and in a decade, you know, we passed five hundred

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Speaker 6: good gun laws, We passed the first federal gun safety legislation,

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Speaker 6: and a generation we elected thousands of gun sense candidates

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Speaker 6: to office, including our own volunteers, people like Hungresswoman Lucy McBath,

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Speaker 6: and we really changed the culture around this issue. There

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Speaker 6: was a very vocal base of small base of extremists

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Speaker 6: who were holding sway over our state legislatures and our

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Speaker 6: city councils who no longer have that power.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of amazing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think now in this moment, like it seems

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Speaker 1: like so many things are completely insurmountable, And I think

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Speaker 1: back to Sandy Hook, and I feel like the lesson

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Speaker 1: there is that.

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Speaker 2: You really can do more than you think. Is that right?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely? You know, this is a democracy, at least for now,

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Speaker 6: and that means that it doesn't work unless we all

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Speaker 6: get off the sidelines. And I had watched shooting tragedy

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Speaker 6: after shooting tragedy, and no one did anything, and so finally,

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Speaker 6: after the shooting at Sandy Hook School, I thought I

635
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 6: have to do something now. I thought I was just

636
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Speaker 6: going to join an organization like Mother's again in drug driving,

637
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Speaker 6: but it did not exist, and so that's where Facebook

638
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Speaker 6: came into page into play. But we all have power,

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Speaker 6: and democracy only works if we all exercise it, right.

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Speaker 6: I think of democracy as like a sick kid, you know,

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Speaker 6: as a mom, if your kid is throwing up at

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Speaker 6: three am, you don't say, you know, I'm exhausted. You're

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Speaker 6: going to have to do this and I'll touch base

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Speaker 6: with you in the morning, right, and you hold their

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Speaker 6: hand until they're better. And I think democracy is the

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Speaker 6: same way. We all have to figure out what are

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Speaker 6: our values, ability and desires and how do we bring

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Speaker 6: them to bear in this moment?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you, because this is something

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Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time thinking about, why didn't

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Speaker 1: you run for office? Do you think about running for office?

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Speaker 1: Because like, one of the things that I'm struck by

654
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Speaker 1: with you is there are some really talented people and

655
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Speaker 1: I think of you as one of them, but they

656
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Speaker 1: don't run for office. So I'm curious why you didn't

657
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Speaker 1: run for office because you are as public a figure

658
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Speaker 1: as you would be if you were a senator.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's fine. The reason I'm laughing is because

660
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Speaker 6: I had a conversation with Katie Kirk recently where she

661
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Speaker 6: went from will you to why won't you? Like I

662
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Speaker 6: think she's daring me and taunting me. Now, I would

663
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Speaker 6: never say never, And really that's what my book is about,

664
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Speaker 6: is like in the second half of your life, there's

665
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Speaker 6: a whole new world. You know, Unlike our mothers, we

666
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Speaker 6: don't have to disappear. And at fifty four, I kind

667
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Speaker 6: of feel like I'm just getting started. I don't know

668
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Speaker 6: if you know this, but I moved from California to

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Speaker 6: Florida recently, and to me, that's exactly the right place

670
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Speaker 6: to be. I would much rather be a blue dot

671
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Speaker 6: in a red state trying to make change than in

672
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Speaker 6: a blue state. So I'm not ruling it out at all.

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Speaker 6: I'm kind of looking at the landscape and figuring out

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Speaker 6: what's next.

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Speaker 1: I am honestly so happy to hear you say that,

676
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Speaker 1: because I live in this district in New York where

677
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Speaker 1: I there just is a very old, very nice member

678
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Speaker 1: of Congress there. But he has left his committees because

679
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Speaker 1: he's too old, and so we all know that. That

680
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Speaker 1: is the lesson from the twenty twenty four Psycho is that,

681
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Speaker 1: you know, if democracy is on the ballot, we have

682
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Speaker 1: to stop being nice and just have people who are

683
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Speaker 1: really competent in those positions.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I would just say, Mollie to that.

685
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Speaker 6: I think that's such an important point. We should be

686
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Speaker 6: having more conversations about power. If you're brilliant and you

687
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Speaker 6: run for office at seventy, I have no issue with that.

688
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Speaker 6: My issue is hoarding power. I talk about this in

689
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Speaker 6: the book. When I started Mom's Demand Action, I wanted

690
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Speaker 6: this to be an exercise in managing my ego. I

691
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Speaker 6: did not want the organization to become about me. There's

692
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Speaker 6: this thing called founder syndrome if you don't know if

693
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Speaker 6: you've heard of it, but basically, you're ego becomes so

694
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Speaker 6: entangled that if you leave, it fails or you want

695
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Speaker 6: to burn it down because you can't stand for it.

696
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Speaker 6: So I did not want that, and every year I

697
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Speaker 6: ask myself, is this the year I leave? And finally

698
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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty two it was the right time. But

699
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Speaker 6: I want our elected officials to have. This is not

700
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Speaker 6: a job that you were supposed to have for your

701
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Speaker 6: entire life until you literally die at your desk. You

702
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Speaker 6: should serve a finite amount of time and know when

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Speaker 6: it's time to hand the power over.

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Speaker 1: And I also think, you know, we've heard older congress

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Speaker 1: people say things like I don't want to give this up,

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Speaker 1: you know, And it's not supposed to be like that.

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be you are a public servant, and

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Speaker 1: you serve the public.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's disappointing.

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Speaker 1: It is disappointing, and it's different than Trump is own right.

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Speaker 1: It's not trying to overthrow the federal government.

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Speaker 2: But it's problematic.

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Speaker 6: It's damaging to democracy.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad you're talking about being a woman who's

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Speaker 1: a little bit older and having two I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: neither of us are old, but we're in a death

718
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Speaker 1: from period in our lives where our kids are grown up.

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Speaker 1: And I wonder if you could talk There are so

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Speaker 1: many women I know from my book staff where they

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Speaker 1: come to me and they are furious and they want

722
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Speaker 1: to do stuff and they don't know how to start.

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Speaker 1: So can you give a few ideas on how they

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Speaker 1: can start?

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Speaker 6: Yes, and I just want to tell a story really quick.

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Speaker 6: From the book, I interview women at all. I kind

727
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Speaker 6: of think of four archetypes. This book is for, you know,

728
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Speaker 6: young women who've just graduated from high school, college, women

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Speaker 6: who have small kids, or they're young in their career

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Speaker 6: and they're overwhelmed, women who are empty nesters, and women

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Speaker 6: who are retired and beyond right. And there's this great story.

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Speaker 6: I interview a woman named Carol Frick. He always wanted

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Speaker 6: to be an author. She ended up being a gym

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Speaker 6: teacher for thirty years to pay the bills. And when

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Speaker 6: she retires, she volunteered in an animal shelter and came

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Speaker 6: up with this idea of writing a book about a

737
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Speaker 6: couple group balls in love at an animal shelter. She

738
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Speaker 6: taught herself how to write dialogue, how to create a book.

739
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Speaker 6: She decided she deserved to have it published. She didn't

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Speaker 6: want to self publish. She sent it to two hundred

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Speaker 6: and eighteen publishers and was rejected every time until the

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Speaker 6: two hundred and nineteenth time. She got a book deal

743
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Speaker 6: and became a published author in her seventies. Like it

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Speaker 6: is never too late and you are never too old

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Speaker 6: right to do anything. And I think there's so many

746
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Speaker 6: stories out there right now, like Julia Louis Dreyvis has

747
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Speaker 6: a great podcast about all the amazing things women are

748
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Speaker 6: doing in midlife, what they're doing. My book is really

749
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Speaker 6: the how how do you get there? And that starts

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Speaker 6: with identifying your values, your abilities, and desires. A lot

751
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Speaker 6: of us haven't gone through those exercises. It's something we

752
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Speaker 6: could do annually, honestly. The next thing is taking those

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Speaker 6: steps forward toward what it is you want, maybe acquiring

754
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Speaker 6: skills you need, maybe finding the right set of people.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of a practice where you try this formula

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Speaker 6: again and again and then binding your people. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I think that's such an important part of this, given

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Speaker 6: the pandemic, given social media, given how polarized we are,

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Speaker 6: binding your people is a huge part of figuring out

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Speaker 6: what it is you have to bring to bear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really true, and also being able

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Speaker 1: to sort of explain why what your goal is right, Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I mean, no one should get to the end of

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Speaker 6: their life and feel like they didn't burn. We talk

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Speaker 6: about legacy a lot. It's like this very loaded word.

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Speaker 6: What does legacy mean? Your name on a building, or

767
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Speaker 6: you create a philanthropy. It's not that. It's just getting

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Speaker 6: to the end of your life and knowing you lived

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Speaker 6: a life that was authentic to you, that you the

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Speaker 6: dormant desires that you had you were acted on. And

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Speaker 6: I guess I want you to guess. When I asked

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Speaker 6: these women I interviewed, most of whom were moms, what

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Speaker 6: their biggest fear of their death threat that regret would be.

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Speaker 6: What do you think They said that they pursued what

775
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Speaker 6: they wanted at the expense of their children. In other words,

776
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Speaker 6: that doing what they wanted living on fire made them

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Speaker 6: a bad mom. And men don't say that. Men never

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Speaker 6: say that. And you know I'm on the other side

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Speaker 6: of that chasm because I have all adult children. I

780
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Speaker 6: can tell you two things. One, my kids were grateful

781
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Speaker 6: that I had something to focus on other than just them.

782
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Speaker 6: Oh one a lot of pressure. And two they feel

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Speaker 6: like I set an example for them on how they

784
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Speaker 6: can go after what they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that is for sure. I see that

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Speaker 1: with my kids too. They want me out. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if you could talk a little bit about how like

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Speaker 1: you guys passed legislation and I think about technology and

789
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Speaker 1: how the government is really treating tech companies the way

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Speaker 1: they treated oil companies, the way they treated tobacco companies,

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Speaker 1: really letting them get away with it. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: you see a way to sort of I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: we still have major gun problems in this country, but

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Speaker 1: I wonder if you see a way to sort of

795
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Speaker 1: use what you've done with Mom's demand in those absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I mean, look, we have defeated so many special interests

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Speaker 6: in this country, and people thought that the gun industry

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Speaker 6: was immune. I mean, they had been given immunity by

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Speaker 6: by Congress in the nineties for being sued for their product,

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Speaker 6: unlike any other manufacturing organization in the world. And so

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Speaker 6: the ENTERI really learned the lessons of what had brought

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Speaker 6: other special interests down. They didn't want to be able

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Speaker 6: to be sued. They wanted to make sure that states

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Speaker 6: couldn't make laws that were different than federal laws. They

805
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Speaker 6: had all of these protections that people thought made them untouchable.

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Speaker 6: And what we did was, you know, our theory of change.

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Speaker 6: Sunlight is the best disinfectant. We are going to shed

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Speaker 6: a light on how they are misusing donors dollars for

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Speaker 6: Italian suits and vacations abroad. You know, we're going to

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Speaker 6: sue them ourselves, through our volunteers in different states where

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Speaker 6: they operate. We are going to hold them accountable in

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Speaker 6: the courts. We've gone into state legislatures and unturned, overturned

813
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Speaker 6: the laws that the federal government still has in place. Right,

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Speaker 6: you can sue the NRA and the gun industry in

815
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Speaker 6: many states, even if you can't at a federal level.

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Speaker 6: So I do think it is a blueprint for how

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Speaker 6: special interests can be taken on. And Congress has just

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Speaker 6: absolutely abdicated its responsibility in the tech industry. It's shameful

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Speaker 6: how they put their head in the sand. And I

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Speaker 6: mean it comes full circle to conversation we had, which

821
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Speaker 6: is if we had younger representatives, you know that understood

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Speaker 6: how the tech world operated, you know, we would be

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Speaker 6: better off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: What's next for you?

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure, you know. I'm on this tour. I'm

827
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Speaker 6: going to two dozen states. I'm so excited to have

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Speaker 6: a conversation with other women about this book. There's going

829
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Speaker 6: to be something called Buyers Starter University, which is based

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Speaker 6: on the book. It will start in September. It's a

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Speaker 6: year long course and that people can enroll in when

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Speaker 6: they buy the book. We've already got six hundred people

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Speaker 6: signed up, which is astounding to me. And it's a

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Speaker 6: year long online course where we go through the book together.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these people will be your community. And what

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Speaker 6: I think is really interesting is that there are so

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Speaker 6: many women, including months of men, actual volunteers, who are

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Speaker 6: starting local groups based on the book, not about gun safety,

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Speaker 6: but just about personal, professional, political empowerment.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: In my mind, that's that's an important piece of this

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Speaker 6: whole picture because when we look at the election, a

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Speaker 6: big divide was between college educated and non college educated women.

844
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Speaker 6: And we have to have conversations in our communities with

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Speaker 6: our neighbors and to know one another, and I hope

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Speaker 6: this book is a piece of that.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I'm so excited for you. Thank you

848
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Speaker 2: so much, Anaman.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Mollie. Such a joy to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: A moment.

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Speaker 3: Second, Jesse Cannon Smiley, this is one of those ones that,

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Speaker 3: like it happened over the weekend, but I had to

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Speaker 3: get in the show. A Pro Life Caucus co chair

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Speaker 3: and Republican representative Chemick had a topic pregnancy and couldn't

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Speaker 3: get care in Florida, and now she's blaming the wok left.

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Speaker 1: For fear mongering and refusing to call her operation an abortion.

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Speaker 1: Still the Wall Street Journal that she found out she had,

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Speaker 1: I want to point out a topic pregnancy is never, ever,

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Speaker 1: ever ever going to result in a baby.

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Speaker 2: That's just how that works. She ended up having to

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Speaker 2: call the governor.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work, but fine a Florida alarmmakers clarified that

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Speaker 1: doctors could act in cases such as hers because the

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Speaker 1: topic pregnancies never ever, ever, ever result in a child.

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Speaker 1: Now that said, somehow the party that makes the abortion

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Speaker 1: bands is not responsible for the problems not getting abortions.

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Speaker 2: It's left.

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Speaker 1: Look these people can do. They're very good at spinning

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Speaker 1: things to fit their narrative. If you think there's going

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Speaker 1: to be some come to Jesus moment where these people

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Speaker 1: get honest, it's not happening. That's it for this episode

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Speaker 1: of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and

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Speaker 1: Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make sense

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening,