Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio.
Speaker 2: He's Rich Eisen, host to the Rich Eisen Show on
Speaker 2: ESPN Radio. He'll be hosting the Pro Football Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame induction ceremony on Saturday. Rich joins us from Canton.
Speaker 2: Actually where are you right now?
Speaker 3: I am in the presentation center inside the Pro Football
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame Museum in Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 4: I'll be doing my show from here at noon Eastern.
Speaker 3: And you know, this is giving you a little behind
Speaker 3: the scenes bts and I'm you know, just hold on
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 4: Can you hold all the work please? You know you
Speaker 4: taught me to do.
Speaker 3: That a long time ago, just to make sure everyone
Speaker 3: we're live, you know, like, can you hold the And
Speaker 3: they've held the work, Dan, They've held the work.
Speaker 4: And that's the scene. That's the scene set. That's my
Speaker 4: scene set.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 2: Are you comfortable saying that's the greatest Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: game in NFL history?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there aren't many walkoffs, right, we don't
Speaker 3: have any walkoffs. Tarico and Collinsworth called it as if
Speaker 3: it was the Super Bowl. That was fun, But that
Speaker 3: was great, Yeah, I mean, you know, we we saw
Speaker 3: deep ball leading to a big, massive hit, So you know,
Speaker 3: it definitely allows us all to say football's back.
Speaker 4: That that was a fun finish.
Speaker 3: And Haines King preesteing the end zone with no time
Speaker 3: left out have been great. If Dave Canalis like, we're
Speaker 3: just going to kick the field, let's play for overtime,
Speaker 3: you know, that'd been fun.
Speaker 4: But that was that was good. I mean, and the
Speaker 4: folks here in Ken deserve it.
Speaker 2: Dan Sure, dude, Uh, it feels like, you know, we tried,
Speaker 2: we remind ourself, don't over reac, don't over reen. But
Speaker 2: if you're a Cardinal fan, can is it okay to
Speaker 2: overreact just a little bit that you saw Carson Beck
Speaker 2: play really well?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 3: Of course, I mean, there's lots to be excited about that.
Speaker 3: Carson Beck is possibly the next quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 4: That they did get their guy.
Speaker 3: That's the renewal of hope that we get every single year,
Speaker 3: whether it's at the combine. People watch the combine, they're like,
Speaker 3: that guy, that's the guy I need on my team
Speaker 3: because he can change the fortunes. And whether it's a
Speaker 3: draft or or its preseason and then the realities of
Speaker 3: football for many teams unfortunately arrive. One of them could
Speaker 3: be you know, Arizona looking around in their neighborhood and
Speaker 3: seeing the defending super Bowl champs and the team that
Speaker 3: that team beats, that could have been to the super Bowl,
Speaker 3: that has the MVP and Miles Garrett and possibly Aaron Donald.
Speaker 3: At any moment in time, we could check our watches
Speaker 3: and then obviously San Francisco is no pushover. But for
Speaker 3: the time being, sure, take take your time, take it in.
Speaker 3: You got a new coach, you got a new quarterback
Speaker 3: potentially for the future, You've got a new running back.
Speaker 4: You've got a lot to be hopeful for. That's what
Speaker 4: this time of year's about.
Speaker 2: Foregun conclusion, Aaron Donald's coming back.
Speaker 3: Okay, we have a segment on my show Dan we've
Speaker 3: called it. Is he back yet? That's what it's called
Speaker 3: because I mean, if you're gonna go through the paces,
Speaker 3: you're gonna go start doing this now, You're gonna start
Speaker 3: practicing in a helmet unless he just decides, you know what,
Speaker 3: I just I'm not ready for the riggers.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know. I don't foresee that. I
Speaker 3: think he is absolutely coming back. I think that is
Speaker 3: going to be one of the greatest handful of history
Speaker 3: of the game. You know, I'm no I'm speaking from
Speaker 3: a spot where there's many busts of handfuls, but there'll be.
Speaker 4: Spots across the hall.
Speaker 3: I'm wipe down the hallway from the bus gallery, Donald
Speaker 3: and Garrett are going to be there. And the great
Speaker 3: thing about it is the more you and I or
Speaker 3: everyone else in our industry talks about it, the more
Speaker 3: Seattle gets pissed, the more Dallas gets pissed.
Speaker 4: The more the chiefs that name anybody.
Speaker 3: That's on your list of Super Bowl contenders, they get
Speaker 3: pissed because they know football is more than just two
Speaker 3: of fifty three. I can't wait to watch it play out.
Speaker 3: Don't you think he's coming back?
Speaker 4: Dan? Like it's a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I would have said if he wanted to play home games,
Speaker 2: I was fine with that. He didn't have to travel
Speaker 2: in my opinion. You know, if he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: show up to camp until the last week of camp,
Speaker 2: as long as he's ready to go, when he's ready
Speaker 2: to go on his schedule, then yes, I think he's
Speaker 2: going to play. And this is one of those I
Speaker 2: liken it to Jalen Brown goes to the Sixers. I
Speaker 2: don't think Lebron goes to the Sixers. If Jalen Brown
Speaker 2: doesn't there, Miles Garrett goes to the Ram one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: I don't think Aaron Donald comes back to play unless
Speaker 2: they get Miles Garrett one.
Speaker 3: He's he's sitting at home getting ready for kids drop off,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like that, that's what he
Speaker 3: would be doing if Miles Garrett was still a Cleveland
Speaker 3: Brown or he went somewhere else. And that's pretty damn
Speaker 3: exciting too, you know so. I also like in what
Speaker 3: you just said, to name your schedule, Aaron, you name it.
Speaker 3: We'll be open to anything or any any idea in
Speaker 3: the same way that the sexers are. Like you want
Speaker 3: to live in New York and take a helicopter, Lebron,
Speaker 3: you know, sure, go for it. You know that that
Speaker 3: that is one hundred percent the analogy And I can't
Speaker 3: wait to watch a playoff for sure.
Speaker 2: Rich Eisen Show coming up at noon Eastern on ESPN Radio,
Speaker 2: hosting the Pro Football Hall of Fame Induction ceremony on Saturday.
Speaker 2: What is your role as the host?
Speaker 4: Uh oh, I'm hosting the ESPN coverage.
Speaker 3: Actually with ESPN now having NFL Network and it's fold
Speaker 3: I'll be on the set Nooneaster with Kurt Warner and
Speaker 3: Lewis Ridick simulcasting the Saturday coverage.
Speaker 4: The official role I've got here at the.
Speaker 3: Hall is tonight for the Jacket Dinner, which is just
Speaker 3: the jewel of the weekend that nobody really sees. It
Speaker 3: is the first tangible item a Hall of Famer receives
Speaker 3: to make the reality of their football immortality.
Speaker 4: Dawn on them.
Speaker 3: It is a highly emotionally charged event where they're all
Speaker 3: introduced one by one. They walk through a gauntlet of
Speaker 3: all the returning Hall of Famers to the center stage
Speaker 3: where they receive their jacket.
Speaker 4: In the past, this.
Speaker 3: Is when Sterling and Shannon Sharp hugged it out and
Speaker 3: we're crying as Sterling slipped the jacket on Shannon. Or
Speaker 3: the other year where Shannon did it to Sterling, the
Speaker 3: year that Sterling did it for Shannon. I'll never forget
Speaker 3: that one because it was again highly emotional, and the
Speaker 3: two of them hugging it out and crying wound up
Speaker 3: on the front page of the Canton Repository newspaper, And
Speaker 3: the next morning I walked into the hotel where all
Speaker 3: the Hall of famers were Dan and I walked in
Speaker 3: to the lobby and there were only three people Jannon
Speaker 3: and Sterling getting an earful from the guy who was
Speaker 3: holding their photograph up at the from the previous night
Speaker 3: of them crying in the newspaper, and it was Deacon
Speaker 3: Jones telling them in the most profane manner that there's
Speaker 3: no crying in football and how.
Speaker 4: Dare you do this the night before?
Speaker 3: Like today's the day the drug induction, Today's the day
Speaker 3: you're allowed to cry, but even for a second, And
Speaker 3: he was f bombing them, and it was one of.
Speaker 4: The greatest things I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 3: It's one of those moments you turn around like anybody
Speaker 3: else seeing this, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's what the night's about.
Speaker 3: But they have given it a new twist here with
Speaker 3: h They don't have your presenter slip the jacket on
Speaker 3: your induction presenter. You now choose somebody who's returning from
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. It could be anybody to put
Speaker 3: the jacket on you, and it makes for some interesting combinations.
Speaker 3: Joe Thomas asked for Jerome Bettis to put the jacket
Speaker 3: on him and many Browns fans who.
Speaker 4: Are here stat.
Speaker 3: Actual Cleveland brown going into the Hall of Fame, like
Speaker 3: you're choosing a steeler, Like what gives? It's just that
Speaker 3: Joe respected Jerome and and and it's a neat thing.
Speaker 3: It's just and that's tonight and then tomorrow's the ceremony itself.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you, have fun and uh, I'll
Speaker 2: see you in a week.
Speaker 4: That's right, Dan? How how is the how's everything going
Speaker 4: for that? Where are we? So do I get to
Speaker 4: finally reverse the question to you? Are you nervous?
Speaker 2: I will be nervous, Yes, I will be I'll be nervous.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I'm on a need to know basis. Okay,
Speaker 2: I just take direction. I got one thing to do,
Speaker 2: and that's get through the speech. The father daughter dance.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that. Just once the speech is done,
Speaker 2: probably do a shot and then uh we'll fly me
Speaker 2: to the moon and go out there and dominate on
Speaker 2: the dance floor.
Speaker 4: So is that the song? Is that the song? Okay?
Speaker 6: For you?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I could do it.
Speaker 3: You know I can sing it for you if you
Speaker 3: need any any you know to insert myself into your
Speaker 3: father the moment, you know, but I'm going to serve.
Speaker 2: Uh Dan, Dan Hicks of NBC can sing Sinatra pretty well.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can sing Sinatra.
Speaker 3: Well. Is this are you creating sort of a ron
Speaker 3: Bergen d type moment where we're gonna have a fight.
Speaker 4: Is that what you're saying. We're gonna step outside for
Speaker 4: the right.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: But the walking down the aisle, that moment is going
Speaker 3: to be the there's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be moment, isn't it. That'll be bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, Yes, that'll be just trying not to make
Speaker 2: eye contact.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 2: Try not to make eye contact with anybody.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. It's gonna be great, Penny asked Susan.
Speaker 3: I will be honored to be there to watch watch
Speaker 3: it all go down, Dan, We'll be there.
Speaker 2: This bar reception will probably be a little livelier than yours.
Speaker 3: In the see I was waiting, I was, I saw
Speaker 3: the wheels turn there, I was waiting. We were taking
Speaker 3: family pictures, Dan, But you got behind the bar and
Speaker 3: started handing out drinks to everybody.
Speaker 4: So that's okay, that's okay.
Speaker 2: But I understand, okay, I was. I was busy wife.
Speaker 2: I went to a friend of ours wedding, Bill Fairweather,
Speaker 2: and Billy is a festive guy. Yeah, Billy, Billy fn Fairweather.
Speaker 2: And at one point I thought the party was lame,
Speaker 2: the reception, and I started ripping the sleeves off of guys' shirts.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me why, but a guy had his tuxedo
Speaker 2: shirt on it. I said, did you buy that or
Speaker 2: rent it? He said, I own it? And I we
Speaker 2: started tearing off sleeves and we were we were drinking
Speaker 2: shots of seagrums and I'm going, what is going on here?
Speaker 5: This is sad, sad, So this will be faster.
Speaker 4: For you to run the show. I look forward to it, Dan,
Speaker 4: I look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Thank Thank you, Rich, Thank you Rich. That's Rich Eisen,
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Speaker 2: Pablo Tory uncovers Kawhi Leonard's other hidden secret spon sponsorship.
Speaker 2: Here tonight, Pablo Tory finds out releases its latest installment
Speaker 2: of the saga that continues to linger here over the
Speaker 2: Clippers and the NBA. All right, so what's the update
Speaker 2: here and what does that mean? Bigger picture?
Speaker 6: Pablo Hi Dan, we are brought together once again by
Speaker 6: an alleged secret sponsorship deal for Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 5: Always good to see you like this.
Speaker 6: What we're reporting is that two days after I published
Speaker 6: part one of my now thirteen part investigation, which I say,
Speaker 6: knowing how ridiculous that sounds, I'll fully cop to it.
Speaker 5: This is a thirteen part serialized novel.
Speaker 6: At this point, but it's actually an investigation right as
Speaker 6: an investigative series. And two days after we dropped part one,
Speaker 6: what happened was I got a tip saying that there
Speaker 6: is another secret sponsorship for Kawhi Leonard that was one
Speaker 6: thousand percent. That is a quote, one thousand percent designed
Speaker 6: to circumvent the salary cap. And I've spent the last
Speaker 6: eleven months trying to fact check that, confirm it, further
Speaker 6: report the story of why that would be, how it
Speaker 6: would be, And it turns out that yes, according to
Speaker 6: our reporting, we have two sources, two high level sources,
Speaker 6: one who was under contract with the Clippers into a
Speaker 6: don't project, the other a former Clippers high level source.
Speaker 6: They both say that the jump tron manufacturer, Daktronics, which
Speaker 6: you may not know by name, but you certainly know
Speaker 6: by sight. Then why are you laughing? Jumbo tron manufacturers
Speaker 6: are very very famous. Obviously this one, this one is
Speaker 6: the one that built the Halo board. This is the
Speaker 6: one hundred million dollar project that Steve Baumer built to
Speaker 6: create the greatest JumboTron and human history. And Kawhi Leonard,
Speaker 6: according to our reporting, had a secret, unannounced, no evidence
Speaker 6: that he did anything for it, multimillion dollar sponsorship for
Speaker 6: that company, which and I'll just beg one more bit
Speaker 6: of time here, because Daktronics had never hired a celebrity
Speaker 6: spokesperson or sponsor or endorser or partner like this before
Speaker 6: or since, and so hard to explain Otherwise, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, given these sponsorship deals and his salary, how much
Speaker 2: money was Kawhi Leonard making a year?
Speaker 5: Well, it is.
Speaker 6: It's a number that we're constantly chasing, and that is
Speaker 6: constantly changing, which is why we chase it. Look, he was,
Speaker 6: of course a max player in the NBA. What's interesting though,
Speaker 6: in that this timeframe we're talking about is actually after
Speaker 6: Aspiration collapses. So we're looking at twenty twenty three and
Speaker 6: Aspiration is going bankrupt. It's under federal investigation by the
Speaker 6: end of that year. And so that deal, I'll just
Speaker 6: remind people, was twenty eight million dollars under contract for
Speaker 6: a no show endorsement deal that was never announced. If
Speaker 6: this is it's sounding familiar, let me know. And also
Speaker 6: a twenty million dollar equity deal in the company that
Speaker 6: was guaranteed to him. So that's forty eight million dollars
Speaker 6: in total value that was guaranteed to Kawhi Leonard on
Speaker 6: top of his NBA contract.
Speaker 5: And that's just that.
Speaker 6: But Aspiration, according to our reporting, is struggling to make
Speaker 6: the payments in twenty twenty three, of course, and what
Speaker 6: happens next is the story of these last two.
Speaker 5: Episodes we've now done.
Speaker 6: And what's so interesting Dan answer your question in this context,
Speaker 6: January twenty twenty four comes around and Kawhi Leonard does
Speaker 6: something shocking to NBA media. Certainly he takes less than
Speaker 6: the max. And so if you just put this all together, right,
Speaker 6: a guy who truly is here to earn as much
Speaker 6: as he possibly can and beyond, decides to take less
Speaker 6: from the Clippers to extend in January of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 6: while also still being owed money from this team sponsor, Aspiration,
Speaker 6: which according to the bankruptcy filing we obtained, owes him
Speaker 6: at least seven million dollars. And so why and how
Speaker 6: does he do that? Is what leads me to the
Speaker 6: story of Daktronics. And so we don't know how many
Speaker 6: millions of dollars we're in the Daktronics deal. We are actively,
Speaker 6: of course, interested in finding that number. But when you're
Speaker 6: talking about what was he paid beyond the cap, we're
Speaker 6: talking about the largest alleged salary caps or convention scheme
Speaker 6: in the history of sports, right, We're talking about something
Speaker 6: that ranges into the fifty plus million dollars if that
Speaker 6: would be a reasonable projection beyond what he was allowed
Speaker 6: to be paid.
Speaker 5: That's just based on inferences on our reporting.
Speaker 2: Which brings me to when you request to speak to
Speaker 2: the Clippers owner Steve Balmer, the response is what.
Speaker 6: The Clippers have stopped responding to our request for comment.
Speaker 6: We tell them what it's going to be in the episodes.
Speaker 6: For months now they've stopped responding. They used to say
Speaker 6: stuff like this is all provably false. And I've learned
Speaker 6: in the story Dan that words are very carefully chosen
Speaker 6: by lawyers.
Speaker 5: I didn't go to law school.
Speaker 6: I didn't make it to that point, but I've been
Speaker 6: told that words are important in legal proceedings. Provably false
Speaker 6: is a big claim, and it's been it's August seventh,
Speaker 6: I believe, and it's been eleven to twelve months, right,
Speaker 6: a year almost that we've been waiting to show how
Speaker 6: this is provably false. What I started reporting with aspiration,
Speaker 6: that's now into a second hidden sponsorship. And so we
Speaker 6: always ask, and what's so interesting about this story? Because
Speaker 6: request for comment is really important to us to get
Speaker 6: it right. We went to Daktronics. We went to the
Speaker 6: company itself and asked all of these questions, and what
Speaker 6: our colleague and collaborator, Sam Koppleman learned is that Daktronics
Speaker 6: wanted a The first response was, here's our general counsel
Speaker 6: talk to them. And Kawhi Leonard had not even been
Speaker 6: mentioned yet, So I was like, okay, so something already,
Speaker 6: They're on alert. Then they send us to a crisis
Speaker 6: comms firm, and you love when those enter the room
Speaker 6: because apparently there's now a crisis, and we still are
Speaker 6: wondering what do they think the crisis is, because we
Speaker 6: have a sense, but we haven't even started talking about
Speaker 6: that yet. And that crisis comes firm, and this is
Speaker 6: really important. They say two things that I want to
Speaker 6: quote for you here. One is quote my understanding is
Speaker 6: Daktronics doesn't have a deal with Kawhi right now, and
Speaker 6: I think the tense of right now is a useful
Speaker 6: thing to handing the lantern on for a second. Here,
Speaker 6: right now is the tense that they stand behind on
Speaker 6: the record. The second sentence they say is, quote, I
Speaker 6: don't know what the company this is.
Speaker 5: The crisis comes firm.
Speaker 6: I don't know what the company Daktronics wants to say
Speaker 6: or can say given the walk Tell investigation.
Speaker 5: End quote, and that is the crisis.
Speaker 6: Comms firm volunteering the name of the law firm that
Speaker 6: the NBA hired to investigate the Clippers for secret no
Speaker 6: show sponsorships for Kawhi Leonard. And so at this point
Speaker 6: you're like, Okay, you're realizing this is of great interest
Speaker 6: to Dectronics.
Speaker 5: They're familiar with this investigation.
Speaker 6: In fact, they've been managing the crisis of it before
Speaker 6: we called. And so now when it comes to getting
Speaker 6: questions and responses about did you have any proof that
Speaker 6: Kui did anything, how much was the deal for, when
Speaker 6: did it start, there is no further comment or response.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, though, how this plays out if these things
Speaker 2: are true the NBA. You start with, Steve, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you can do with Kawhi Leonard, but give
Speaker 2: me the scenario or scenarios that you think that how
Speaker 2: this plays out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so all of this got phenomenally I think concrete
Speaker 6: and tangible. When the trade Kawhi Leonard is traded from
Speaker 6: the Clippers to the Raptors to the team. By the way,
Speaker 6: that originally alleged in twenty nineteen that Kawhi Leonard and
Speaker 6: Dennis Roberts and his uncle unlicensed agent, had requested benefits
Speaker 6: beyond the salary cap in violation of the CBA. These
Speaker 6: include no show jobs. These include equity in the companies
Speaker 6: that they were hoping to get in business with through
Speaker 6: the team. So the Raptors, I say that to say,
Speaker 6: the Raptors know the backstage of this with unusual clarity
Speaker 6: as that timeline twenty nineteen is concerned, and so they
Speaker 6: want to trade for Kawhi Leonard. But what happens is,
Speaker 6: of course the trade is frozen. And what I've been
Speaker 6: told and what has now been reported, is that the
Speaker 6: change is that the NBA puts in front of the
Speaker 6: Raptors a piece of paper effectively indemnifies the NBA, the
Speaker 6: league itself, and the Clippers from any legal resource or
Speaker 6: negotiation if there are punishments specific to Kawhi Leonard, because
Speaker 6: those punishments will travel with the player to Toronto. If
Speaker 6: you pay X, you're getting whatever Kawhi ends up being
Speaker 6: post punishment. And the Raptors, in their perhaps eternal wisdom
Speaker 6: and this backdrop, say then we're not signing this, and
Speaker 6: therefore the trade is not proceeding, and so that trade
Speaker 6: has been frozen for weeks obviously, and so the question
Speaker 6: of what happens next is when is this ruling gonna
Speaker 6: come down? Will this ruling speak to the things that
Speaker 6: I've been publicly reporting that have been vetted by now,
Speaker 6: of course months of careful investigation in multiple sources. Will
Speaker 6: that ruling speak to those things? Will there be a punishment,
Speaker 6: Will the raptors want to proceed.
Speaker 5: With this deal?
Speaker 6: And if there is a punishment beyond Kawhi Leonard, because
Speaker 6: again that's specific to Kauhi alone, how does this possibly
Speaker 6: avoid touching the richest owner in American sports? Steve Bouber,
Speaker 6: the guy who was across every bit of this, and Dan,
Speaker 6: perhaps in the superlative I gave him, you can detect
Speaker 6: some of the cynicism and the concern that when you're
Speaker 6: the richest owner in American sports, the game you're playing,
Speaker 6: even in legal recourse and certainly punishment, it is different
Speaker 6: from even the normal billionaires that you might have to
Speaker 6: deal with as commissioner.
Speaker 2: Has the NBA's investigators talked to you, They reached out
Speaker 2: months ago.
Speaker 6: I met with them, I handed them a bunch of paperwork,
Speaker 6: particular to aspiration, signed contracts, financial documents, and I encouraged
Speaker 6: them to take all of it as seriously as they can,
Speaker 6: because I think there's a lot more here. Even then
Speaker 6: I can get to as a guy who has you know,
Speaker 6: Dan Lebtard as his bleeping boss and one lawyer helping me.
Speaker 5: So we don't exactly.
Speaker 6: Have the resources of a multinational enterprise. But I think
Speaker 6: that Wachtel, in listening to the podcast, has a lot
Speaker 6: to go on, and my hope is that they're doing
Speaker 6: exactly that.
Speaker 2: Any chance Steve Baumer is in jeopardy of losing the
Speaker 2: Clippers being able to own them.
Speaker 6: I think the question is an Adam Silver question, right,
Speaker 6: And this is what's so interesting. Adam Silver is not
Speaker 6: his mentor, David Stern. Adam Silver is actually the guy
Speaker 6: who welcomes Steve balmer in in replacement of Donald Sterling
Speaker 6: and was hailed as this almost Aristotelian, brilliant progressive leader
Speaker 6: in comparison to all the other commissioners Roger Goodell namely
Speaker 6: at that time. And so now he is bookending perhaps
Speaker 6: his tenure with the same guy being an even.
Speaker 5: Bigger problem a complicated problem.
Speaker 6: And so if you're Adam Silver and in twenty nineteen
Speaker 6: when you cleared the Clippers and Steve Balmer of cap
Speaker 6: cir convention after investigating the Raptors claims and the Lakers claims,
Speaker 6: what you've done, by the way on the record to
Speaker 6: say salary caps or convention is the cardinal rule of
Speaker 6: the NBA.
Speaker 4: And I think.
Speaker 6: Underpinning all of this dand the moment we're in with
Speaker 6: sports gambling as the NBA balances a gambling scandal, an
Speaker 6: investigation that we've been covering on the show as well,
Speaker 6: when they're balancing all of the other caps are convention
Speaker 6: theories out there, Gary prent Junior as being the latest
Speaker 6: hypothesis someone has is the question of whether the rules
Speaker 6: matter and if you break the rules as have been
Speaker 6: alleged by multiple episodes here of my show and now elsewhere,
Speaker 6: the question is how do you possibly make it so
Speaker 6: that the cardinal rule is actually treated like it and
Speaker 6: so by any standard of fake NBA law because these
Speaker 6: are all fake laws. These are all collectively bargain rules
Speaker 6: that you got to enforce. I think everything should be
Speaker 6: on the table realistically in terms of the money and
Speaker 6: if you follow it. I think there's a very real
Speaker 6: chance that Steve Ballmer emerges relatively unscathed, which is kind
Speaker 6: of insane to me according to my reporting.
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Pablo, thanks for joining us as always, and
Speaker 2: good luck with Dan Levittard.
Speaker 5: I'm going to need all of it Dan, as you
Speaker 5: know with him.
Speaker 4: So appreciated.
Speaker 2: Pablo Tory finds out with meadow Lark Media.
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Speaker 2: Rick Neuheisel, former college coach at UCLA and Washington and Colorado,
Speaker 2: now a CBS analyst, how would you feel if your
Speaker 2: produce head coach Barry Odom after you hear that from
Speaker 2: your athletic director.
Speaker 8: I feel exactly like I did. What I was at
Speaker 8: UCLA and Pete Carroll had things going at sc and
Speaker 8: they put out a full page ad the La Times
Speaker 8: that monopoly is over. I was like, hey, easy, now,
Speaker 8: easy now, Yeah, he is a one way to start.
Speaker 4: Tommy's not afraid.
Speaker 2: But were you told about the ad in the La
Speaker 2: Times the monopoly?
Speaker 8: Oh? I was actually I was actually apologized to We
Speaker 8: don't need to put that kind of heat on you.
Speaker 8: I said, hey, let's own it. Let's go, but let's
Speaker 8: get the resources. Don't take a knife to a gunfight.
Speaker 8: Let's so we'll see how Barry Odam does, hopefully better
Speaker 8: than he did when he was aboard that bowl when
Speaker 8: he was in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: How how did UCLA do against USC that year? Not well,
Speaker 2: twenty eight seven got stuffed. Yeah, it was unfortunate. We
Speaker 2: didn't exactly have the resources. I called out the coaches
Speaker 2: earlier this week. You know you have the Coach's poll,
Speaker 2: and I said, the people who watch the least amount
Speaker 2: of college football are coaches, because you can't. You only
Speaker 2: care about the opponent you had and the opponent coming up.
Speaker 2: Who voted when you were at UCLA, Washington, Colorado? Who
Speaker 2: voted in the coaches poll for you? It was always
Speaker 2: our sports information guy. It was Dave Platty at Colorado,
Speaker 2: Mark Dellen's at UCLA, Jim Daves at Washington, those guys
Speaker 2: you know, keeping track hit. They'd bring me a list.
Speaker 2: I'd say, well, move these guys one spot and away
Speaker 2: we go. Because you're right, there is no time to
Speaker 2: spend surveying everybody else in the country. You've got to
Speaker 2: just look after your own, Yeah, because you don't want
Speaker 2: to walk into a press conference and have somebody blindside
Speaker 2: you and say why did this school get a first
Speaker 2: place vote.
Speaker 4: From you and you not be aware of it.
Speaker 8: No, exactly right, And now that they put your name
Speaker 8: on it at the end, maybe you better know exactly
Speaker 8: what the hell went on that list. But yeah, you
Speaker 8: don't have time for that. That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: Let me go back to Indiana and the run that
Speaker 2: they had. How sustainable is this?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm not gonna put anything past Kurt Signetti because
Speaker 8: what he's done has been incredible.
Speaker 4: The Church of Signetti is full.
Speaker 8: Parishioners come from far and wide now to watch what
Speaker 8: is taking place there. The Mendoza story is one for
Speaker 8: the ages. The sixteen and o story is one for
Speaker 8: the ages. I can't remember a more surprising something happening
Speaker 8: in sport than that that was in my lifetime. That
Speaker 8: was just incredible. You know, the Indiana program that was worse,
Speaker 8: had more losses than anybody else in the history of
Speaker 8: college football. To go sixteen and oh and in against
Speaker 8: the formidable teams that they just and to beat Alabama
Speaker 8: thirty eight to three. I actually said thirty five to
Speaker 8: three when I had Signetti in the chair at the
Speaker 8: Big Ten Media Days, and he corrected me, thirty eight
Speaker 8: to three. Yeah, don't take that field goal from me.
Speaker 8: Oregon and then Miami in Miami, it is a run
Speaker 8: for the age is remarkable, to say the least brought.
Speaker 8: I think they I think I think Hoover's, you know,
Speaker 8: reasonable replacement for Mendoza. We'll see if he can keep
Speaker 8: from having the the errant you know, turnover. If he
Speaker 8: if he if he cleans that up, they're gonna be
Speaker 8: They're gonna be good again.
Speaker 2: Talking to former coach Rick newhisl CBS Sports College Football analyst,
Speaker 2: I was mentioning the coaches top ten and I was
Speaker 2: putting price tags their roster next to their ranking. Right,
Speaker 2: you got to be spending at least forty million some
Speaker 2: next year we're going to be knocking on the door
Speaker 2: going past fifty million dollars. The return on investment, Like,
Speaker 2: how sustainable is this for these schools to be spending
Speaker 2: this kind of money.
Speaker 8: Well, that's a fascinating question. I think we're going to
Speaker 8: be in a survival of the fittest until the new
Speaker 8: television contracts come up, which is around twenty thirty. I
Speaker 8: think we're just in an era where we're just.
Speaker 4: Dealing with that.
Speaker 8: You can see that private equity is kind of sniffing around.
Speaker 8: You see the stories out of LSU and what they're
Speaker 8: talking about doing down there. I think everybody's having these conversations.
Speaker 8: We can't go very much longer. The numbers are going crazy.
Speaker 8: Brian Kelly just joined us at CBS. He says the
Speaker 8: numbers at noted aimert fifty million, so and he's sitting
Speaker 8: there going I couldn't get a penny out of them
Speaker 8: for a long time while I was sitting there trying
Speaker 8: to get facilities built. But it is a wild wild West,
Speaker 8: as it's been dubbed many times.
Speaker 4: It's crazy out there.
Speaker 2: Well, the President urging Congress to pass the Protect College
Speaker 2: Sports Act before recess here, how important is that act
Speaker 2: to pass?
Speaker 4: I think it's a huge deal.
Speaker 8: And now that the big ten in the SEC have
Speaker 8: put their endorsement on the bill, it would be wonderful
Speaker 8: to get that done. But it has to happen today
Speaker 8: because they go on recess this afternoon, and if they
Speaker 8: don't get that done. There's going to be other things
Speaker 8: that are more important when they come back. With the
Speaker 8: midterms coming up.
Speaker 2: I saw where you were working with Brendan Soorsby, the
Speaker 2: former quarterback of Texas Tech. Now I don't know what
Speaker 2: working means. I know that your former college quarterback and
Speaker 2: you coach quarterbacks in the NFL. How are you or
Speaker 2: were you working with Brendan Soorsby.
Speaker 4: All I did then is I reached out to them.
Speaker 8: I felt terribly for how he had become in the
Speaker 8: eye of the storm, you know, the kind of the
Speaker 8: focal point.
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 8: Bigger issue obviously he did something that was wrong.
Speaker 4: Can't bet on your own team. He didn't do it
Speaker 4: while he was playing.
Speaker 8: He had a phone where he got into it and
Speaker 8: you know, started betting on balls and strikes, and you
Speaker 8: know it got away from it and hopefully that's behind him.
Speaker 8: But I remember having been kind of put into the
Speaker 8: public scorn for having been in a basketball pool, and
Speaker 8: I became very bitter about who would you know, throw
Speaker 8: me to the Wolves for doing something that's so commonplace.
Speaker 8: And I just wanted to tell Brennan and his father
Speaker 8: that bitterness only impacts you.
Speaker 4: Just just just move on.
Speaker 8: There'll be a better day, and you just got to
Speaker 8: be confident that that day will come. And I'm hoping
Speaker 8: that he can get to the Senior Bowl a year
Speaker 8: from now, that he can get to you know, the
Speaker 8: combine and show his wares. And obviously I'm coaching in
Speaker 8: that UFL if it were a place that he wanted
Speaker 8: to go. Remember, Hunter Decker's the kid who couldn't play
Speaker 8: at Iowa State any longer for a similar deal, ended
Speaker 8: up being a quarterback in Houston for Kevin Someone. And
Speaker 8: now I think he's in the New Orleans Saints camp,
Speaker 8: so there's going to be a better day for him.
Speaker 8: I just wanted to reach out and say, you know,
Speaker 8: this isn't so much about you.
Speaker 4: It was about all that was going on.
Speaker 8: There was a little bit of a jealousy about how
Speaker 8: much money Texas Tech had, and so it became a
Speaker 8: big story that he just happened to be the target.
Speaker 4: And I just wanted him to know there'll be better days.
Speaker 4: Don't get caught up and who got you? Just move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suggested, just like I did to Pete Rose,
Speaker 2: if you want to give back, you want to show
Speaker 2: an act of contrition. Volunteer to go around to colleges
Speaker 2: and even high schools and just say and have people
Speaker 2: film it, like you can make this something positive if
Speaker 2: you want to. Pete never did that, and I believe
Speaker 2: if he had done that, falling on his sword, he
Speaker 2: probably would have gotten on the ballot to go into
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. And maybe maybe Soresby gets a chance,
Speaker 2: you know, to prove that he can still play football.
Speaker 8: He's a nice kid. I enjoyed talking to him. His
Speaker 8: father is a nice guy. I'm hopeful that that can
Speaker 8: be the case. And you know, he actually wanted to
Speaker 8: stay for a time at Texas Tech and be the
Speaker 8: scout team quarterback, but it felt like he was going
Speaker 8: to be too much of a distraction. So he's just
Speaker 8: working out and fingers crossed that something good happens for
Speaker 8: him here down alone. And if it was a gambling addiction,
Speaker 8: that that's behind him.
Speaker 2: The most pressure to win this year? Which college coach
Speaker 2: would you say, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 8: Oh, there's a lot of pressure on Lincoln Riley because
Speaker 8: the Trojans have never been to the college Football Playoff
Speaker 8: and they feel like they've got all the pieces this year.
Speaker 8: You know, they have to get back into the elite
Speaker 8: category where I think the Trojan fans believe they should
Speaker 8: be a lot of pressure on in my mind, Steve Sarkeesian,
Speaker 8: because Texas has everything. I would say the same at
Speaker 8: for Dan Lanning with Dante Moore coming back, But maybe
Speaker 8: the most pressure given the schedule, given what is going on,
Speaker 8: is Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman has it all. He's got
Speaker 8: this CJ. Carr, who everybody said at the Manning Passing
Speaker 8: Academy was the best guy there. And he's got a
Speaker 8: schedule that might be as ready made. I mean, he's
Speaker 8: supposed to be like a double digit favorite until November
Speaker 8: Miami comes to town.
Speaker 4: That's going to be an epic game.
Speaker 8: If you beat him in front of the home crowd,
Speaker 8: then you go to BYU and then you have SMU
Speaker 8: coming to town. We'll wait and see what the Mustangs
Speaker 8: look like. But that's a schedule that's manageable. It'll be
Speaker 8: interesting to see and if Marcus Freeman manages it, keeps
Speaker 8: that Northern Illinois game from happening. Uh, the Irish are
Speaker 8: going to be right there.
Speaker 2: I'd say, Lane Kiffin, you know that game against Old
Speaker 2: Miss Now I know, Oh, my.
Speaker 8: Goodness, don't you want to just walk in with him
Speaker 8: to the grove.
Speaker 5: No, I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: When I'm going to steer clear, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: as far away from Lane when he wants in.
Speaker 8: That That is going to be the most anticipated pregame
Speaker 8: in the history of football.
Speaker 5: He'll eat it up.
Speaker 4: He'll eat it up. We'll talk soon. Thanks about the
Speaker 4: all the best, buddy,