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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Hangout Podcast, new proadcasts we've got

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Speaker 1: on the Giants Podcast Network. Metaline Burke Jonathan can see

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Speaker 1: us in Brandon, London joining you today as we look

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Speaker 1: ahead to the Giants Week two matchup with the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Make sure to like, follow, subscribe. You can find the

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Speaker 1: Giants Hangout wherever you get your podcasts or on the

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Speaker 1: Giants mobile app. How you doing, fellas are feeling about

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Speaker 1: week two.

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Speaker 2: Then week one? That's for sure?

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Speaker 3: You you you you? You took the words right out

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Speaker 3: of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's one of those things where I'm just

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Speaker 4: like last week I was all pumped up. You saw

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Speaker 4: the energy flowing. Now I'm like, all right, let me

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Speaker 4: let me just wait till kickoff.

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Speaker 2: You're right, right, that's right, a lot more reserved. The

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Speaker 2: anticipation is lower, you know, just gonna you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: because I was definitely here and then I went down

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Speaker 2: fast and I stayed there then target.

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Speaker 1: I think most of us, I think most of us

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Speaker 1: did that right. But you know what, I just want

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Speaker 1: to give a special hat tip to Michael Eisen, who

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Speaker 1: has been covering this team, writing about this team for

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Speaker 1: years and he pointed out that in nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers lost at home in their first game

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Speaker 1: of the season to Cleveland by a score fifty one

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Speaker 1: to nothing. They ended up finishing nine and seven won

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Speaker 1: in an AFC wildcard game. Also two years later, in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, the Detroit Lions began their season with

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Speaker 1: a forty five to nothing loss to Washington. Season ended

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Speaker 1: for the Lions in the NFC Championship Game, where they

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Speaker 1: did lost lose again in Washington, but still so positive

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Speaker 1: things could come. It's not over. It's week one and

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Speaker 1: we are looking ahead to week two, Fellas. So big

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Speaker 1: question as we start this one to Brandon, I'm start

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Speaker 1: with you on this one. As the offensive player on

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Speaker 1: the panel, the wide receiver out here, how does this

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Speaker 1: offense bounce back from that?

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Speaker 4: You bounced back by shoing up that offensive line.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's one of those things where look

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Speaker 3: what we saw that opening drive was in the noominaly.

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Speaker 3: You saw a fall star penalty, a bad snap which

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Speaker 3: led to disaster. You're not going to see that again

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Speaker 3: this game. And JC, I think this is the best

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Speaker 3: part of being athletes is we could go through the

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Speaker 3: adversity of getting beat forty to fifty to nothing and

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Speaker 3: then be ready on that Tuesday Wednesday when it's time

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Speaker 3: to get ready for week two. So we can laugh,

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Speaker 3: we can see the memes, but now it's back to business.

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Speaker 3: So looking at it and talking to Darius Slayton, talking

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Speaker 3: to a lot of those guys in the locker room yesterday,

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Speaker 3: their minds are on Arizona. And without giving me too

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Speaker 3: much of the t and the x's and those, this

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Speaker 3: is basically one of those things whereas be ready, you

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Speaker 3: have to be ready within this offense. Mike Kafka and crew.

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Speaker 3: They're going to get that offensive line, sure it up

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Speaker 3: to where Daniel Jones can get the ball to his weapons.

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Speaker 3: So after that, hey, if I'm a Paris Campbell, if

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Speaker 3: I'm a Darren Waller, when I catch that ball, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna do what they brought me in here to do.

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Speaker 4: And that's what the mindset has to be or is.

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Speaker 3: For this team going forward heading into Arizona on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: You can't blame it on the rain anymore, you know,

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Speaker 1: no more. Millie Vanilli, Yeah, two is a new luck.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and it's only one game, right, whether they

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Speaker 2: won or lost, it's one game, and we all got

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Speaker 2: know what, you have to think like that. So this

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Speaker 2: game is in the past. But what you said about

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Speaker 2: the offensive line, they got to show up the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: Are you talking about moving pieces around or you just

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Speaker 2: talking about they just got to play better.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a thing of they have to

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Speaker 3: But I see Mike Kafka and those guys realizing, Hey,

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Speaker 3: if Andrew Thomas can't go, then we're gonna do X.

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Speaker 3: to do Why it's a football is a constant chess

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Speaker 1: No, talking about it in depth in a little bit

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about I'm trying to figure out too, because

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Speaker 1: Gotten a little. He had limited work at tackle at Carolina,

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Speaker 1: but he was primarily a guard right and he in

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Speaker 2: Is he the guy if Thomas doesn't go, Is he

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Speaker 4: Well, you also have Matt Pert, who's your swing tackle? Again?

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Speaker 4: It could be something to where, hey.

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Speaker 3: This guy could get a couple a couple of possessions,

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Speaker 4: You know, we all fighting for extra playing time, contracts

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Speaker 3: So you can look at it like, oh man, Andrew

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Speaker 3: Pert I'm looking at it. This is my time again

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Speaker 3: to step up to make plays. Now, if I'm Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 3: you know, on offense, we always say kyp know your personnel.

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Speaker 3: So that means if you're if you're throwing to a taller,

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Speaker 3: like plaques. I could go make a Plax play, but

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing. Within your offensive line. Now you're

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Speaker 3: in that room. You don't know how many balls you're

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Speaker 4: Of the game.

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Speaker 1: I still okay, get over how we're making direct comparisons

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Speaker 1: to Brandon lundon and right here on this show and

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Speaker 1: pulling an RG three like me, like myself as a

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Speaker 1: that is so true.

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Speaker 4: I am an iron we guy guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm looking and you know, I think

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Speaker 2: they went against the best defense in the league on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I think that was evident. Addam Gilmour Fowler and like

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Speaker 2: vander ash Like there's so many ballplayers. Their defensive line

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Speaker 2: is incredible. Oh, Digazua had a great game. You know,

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Speaker 2: the Giants they need. This is what I saw B two.

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Speaker 2: I was the most disappointed I was from last week.

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Speaker 2: Which is what I want to see this week, especially

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Speaker 2: on offense, is who's gonna fight? Right? Daniel Jones got

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Speaker 2: hit when he threw the interception. I watched Michael Parsons

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Speaker 2: I've seen from a pass rusher, the way he exploded

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Speaker 2: was borderline. B It wasn't. It didn't look like it

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Speaker 2: But to offensive linemen, it should have been that he

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Speaker 2: was out and you should have jumped Micah Parsons out

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Speaker 2: of bounds. You should have beat his ass on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't even nobody around shelves. It's not right, but

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Speaker 2: this is there was no one around him. Nobody came

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Speaker 2: to his you know, defense, And it's like, okay, so

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Speaker 2: we're not protecting our quarterback. Now what are we doing here?

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Speaker 2: You know, like who is the who's out of the

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Speaker 2: old lineman? Who's gonna fight and protect your quarterback because

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Speaker 2: he's getting demolished, you know. And then I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: and I'm talking about between the whistles, they're doing what

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Speaker 2: know how it is, even if it's clean, offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: is coming in, they're checking and linebacker, defensive linemen, bro

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Speaker 2: they went in no parts.

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Speaker 1: Well, they all like that. They were trying everything right.

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Speaker 1: They had different linemen on him. They had Daniel Bellinger

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Speaker 1: is a very tough opponent to go against in Week one.

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Speaker 1: I agree, but you, like you said, you got to

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Speaker 1: stand by your quarterback. Daniel Jones. This is a guy

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Speaker 1: and to a man, they'll be like, that's my quarterback, right,

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Speaker 1: They'll be putting on the sunglasses and crying over that's

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Speaker 1: And Arizona, you know, going out to Arizona, this is

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Speaker 1: to kind of work on not just you know, getting

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Speaker 1: camaraderie and building that. And so this is the place

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Speaker 1: that they go out there spend significant time together, working

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Speaker 1: not only for the game, but for an extra five

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Speaker 1: three Thursday night game. Yeah, and kind of building that

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Speaker 1: chemistry too. This is this is where the seeds were

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Speaker 1: this is like, hey, let's go back to where it

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. And it starts, you know, just in protecting

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Speaker 2: It starts in here, right, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like it starts in here. Like there was a time

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Speaker 2: during the game last week. Be matter of fact, I

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Speaker 2: I watched All twenty two, but I wanted to watch

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Speaker 2: a TV copy. I wanted to get the different angles.

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Speaker 2: And it was a time where they show Fouler and

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Speaker 2: and I was like, whoo, Bro, I'm getting goosebumps. Bro.

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Speaker 2: Like they're getting like you gotta you can't just play

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Speaker 2: I expect them to make improvements.

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Speaker 3: You know you talking about let's stick to the corners,

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Speaker 4: Them two dudes got confidence.

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Speaker 3: Like Tave Banks was chirping the Brandan Cooks all game

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Speaker 3: Well, Jonathan Gannon's over and he also brought former Eagles

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Speaker 3: linebacker coach Nick rawless is and he's now the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: They brought all, you know, a couple of their guys

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Speaker 3: over from that scheme from Philly to step in and

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Speaker 3: play right away. So there's a lot of guys that

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Speaker 3: are already comfortable within that defensive scheme. When you're looking

439
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Speaker 3: at it as a as as from the past game

440
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Speaker 3: aspect of it, they sit in a lot of too

441
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Speaker 3: too high Cover four type looks and you're looking at

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Speaker 3: it like, oh, we got a chance to make plays

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Speaker 3: if that offensive line can show up. And we're talking

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Speaker 3: cover four where those safeties are flying in that alley.

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Speaker 3: You think in the route concepts like a pen concept

446
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Speaker 3: where the inside slot runs the end and there's that

447
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Speaker 3: deep post from a Darius Slayton or a Jalen High.

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Speaker 3: If it can get blocked, then Mike uh Man, Mike, Mike,

449
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Speaker 3: my receiver coach, Mike, not my receiver coach my two thousand. No,

450
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Speaker 3: not Mike crow managers messed up my point China. I'll

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Speaker 3: get the name, but we need to have us draw.

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Speaker 4: Coach.

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Speaker 3: Mike he coached two thousand, said he came back as

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coach as well.

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Speaker 4: Somebody asked, somebody.

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Speaker 1: Ask somebody, man.

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Speaker 4: He worked me out at my pro day too. I

458
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Speaker 4: feel Sully.

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Speaker 2: Mike Sullivan, Mike Sullivan, Yeah, look my name where he

460
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Speaker 2: was like Mike something. I was like, man, as soon

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Speaker 2: as you said Mike, oh.

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Speaker 4: Sully, yeah, so sorry, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. He

463
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Speaker 4: used to write.

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Speaker 3: Up when we drew up a safety on the board,

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Speaker 3: you put the dollar sign there. Now that cover four,

466
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Speaker 3: you're able to get deep up on these safeties. You

467
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Speaker 3: get those speed guys that should be moneyballs right there.

468
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Speaker 3: You have to have it protected. So as a receiver,

469
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Speaker 3: you feel good about the game plan. A lot of

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Speaker 3: free access throws, hende rout stop routes, coral route, that

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Speaker 3: sort of thing. You got some yat guys in the

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Speaker 3: Paris Campbell Starling Shepherd. So as a receiver, you feel

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Speaker 3: great about this game. But then there's that butt in

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Speaker 3: the back of your mind. Are you going to take

475
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Speaker 3: that route to ten instead of twelve because you feel

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Speaker 3: as that offensive line is not going to hold up

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Speaker 3: and let Daniel get to that fifth step fifth step

478
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Speaker 3: with the with the hitch. So that's the only thing

479
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Speaker 3: that can play in these guys mind. But they know

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Speaker 3: and feel as though they're going to make plays this Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Are you worried if you're going into this game, like

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Speaker 1: you said, playing these guys' mind Brandon like coming off

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Speaker 1: of Sunday and I know we're trying to leave that

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Speaker 1: in the past. But also part of that is that

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Speaker 1: trust element, right, Like when you're going into something, you

486
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Speaker 1: want to trust that you know you're going to do

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Speaker 1: your job. Reteams are going to do their job, and

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Speaker 1: not saying that nobody did their job, but you want

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Speaker 1: to trust that things are going to work out as planned,

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Speaker 1: as designed, as drawn. How do they reinforce that trust

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Speaker 1: going into week two?

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Speaker 3: Well, Coach Coughlin used to always say no and know

493
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Speaker 3: you know, so they're going to have the confidence within

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Speaker 3: the scheme, within their route concepts. But like you said,

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Speaker 3: it can play with you a little bit. If you're

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Speaker 3: a receiver, you get up on the safety you stick,

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Speaker 3: you look back. Daniel Jones is scrambling and you're thinking

498
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Speaker 3: in your head, did I do something wrong on my route?

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Speaker 4: I was the main guy on this route. I didn't

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Speaker 4: get the ball.

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Speaker 3: So then you go back and then you let's say

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Speaker 3: you get a free access hinge route. It's a stop

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Speaker 3: route at twelve yards. You don't get the ball thrown

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Speaker 3: to you. It could have been a sacker or he

505
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Speaker 3: had to throw it away. It starts playing in your head.

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Speaker 3: Now you're trying to make a play instead of letting

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Speaker 3: a play come to you.

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Speaker 4: So that's the only thing that comes to the receiver.

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Speaker 3: Your job is predicated on the success of lineman block

510
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Speaker 3: and running backs picking up quarterback making that throw. So

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Speaker 3: it's something that can get into your head later on

512
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Speaker 3: in the game if you're not touching the ball on

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Speaker 3: plays you're supposed to touch the ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it starts in practice, you know, Like,

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Speaker 2: what's the attitude in practice? Are you guys on point?

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Speaker 2: You coming early? Like you showing that? Okay, I understand

517
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Speaker 2: what happened Week one. Yes, we do put in our past,

518
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Speaker 2: but we let it catapult us forward and not pull

519
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Speaker 2: us back and let us get beat by the Cowboys twice.

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Speaker 2: So it starts at practice. I know day Ball focuses

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Speaker 2: a lot on practice. He always speaks about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the performance at practice. Let's see how it goes at practice.

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Speaker 2: So I definitely think he's paying attention, you know, in

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Speaker 2: what's going on. You know. But when I look at this,

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Speaker 2: this team with the Arizona Cardinals, I look at the

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Speaker 2: defense and I see a whole bunch of guys flying around.

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Speaker 2: You know, but I also see a lot of undisciplined guys.

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Speaker 2: Right They hit Howl hard, they hit another guy hard,

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Speaker 2: and they got late penalties and they had sixty seven

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Speaker 2: yards of penalties in the first defensive drive that they

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Speaker 2: had last week against the Commanders. So what I would

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Speaker 2: think that the Giants could the Giants have opportunities to

533
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Speaker 2: you know, counteract their their aggressiveness on defense, you know,

534
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Speaker 2: because I like the way Budda Baker plays football. I

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Speaker 2: you you take him any day to week, right, b

536
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Speaker 2: That's the guy you take any day of to week.

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Speaker 2: And then you got guys, you know, along that defensive

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Speaker 2: front and also the linebackers as well, that looks like

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Speaker 2: they just feed off of that, and they're just flying

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Speaker 2: around trying to be like a Buddha Baker. Like when

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Speaker 2: you got a guy like that, you just like, how

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Speaker 2: could I be more like this guy? You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? And you play like that? And I think

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Speaker 2: that's what you're seeing from the Cardinos defense. But they're

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Speaker 2: a little bit crazy, They're a little bit wild. They're

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Speaker 2: hitting late, you know. So I think the Giants need

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Speaker 2: to go ahead and play, like you said, good football,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, let's not be getting all a penalty

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Speaker 2: is because that's what the Arizona Cardinals do. You know,

550
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Speaker 2: Like the Giants, I think have an opportunity there to

551
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Speaker 2: expose them a little bit, you know. And Gann and

552
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Speaker 2: he understands the reason why the Cowboys that Eagles beat

553
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Speaker 2: the Giants three times last year because of the rushing game.

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Speaker 2: So I expect Connor to get heavy doses of that

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Speaker 2: that run game, and I also expect them to try

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Speaker 2: to do some play action passing off of the run game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how he said, Yeah, play clean football,

558
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Speaker 3: don't get any penalties.

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Speaker 4: Earlier hits some dog.

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Speaker 2: And I'll take one. Ear I'll take one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean Connor. Last week James Connor led

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals fourteen carry sixty two rushing yards. He also

563
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Speaker 1: had five receptions, second on the team to Zach Ert.

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Speaker 1: So clearly Connor is going to be the workhorse for

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Speaker 1: that squad. But you're right, yeah, you gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: play a clean game as much Asus wants to see

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Speaker 1: them just messing up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, for for example, like if Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: gets hit and it's very like I expect the lineman

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Speaker 2: to go in it and declete that guy and get

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Speaker 2: a penalty, you know what I'm saying, Like, not go

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Speaker 2: over there and be like, hey man, lay off my quarterback,

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Speaker 2: like what.

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Speaker 1: But you could all you know what I'm saying, You

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Speaker 1: could also have those moments without getting a penalty.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm saying, I just want to see the fight,

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Speaker 2: whether it's penalty or not. Madly, that's all I wanted.

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Speaker 1: That game, we saw Hattie and Aaron Rodgers shirping it

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Speaker 1: back and forth, right, And that's not a penalty. But

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Speaker 1: that's a moment to say, hey, listen, this is not okay,

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Speaker 1: that's just this.

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Speaker 2: That's just that I'm talking about, like physically showing that

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Speaker 2: you're deer to fight you with for your quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 2: and I understand if you've been avoid a penalty, you

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Speaker 2: avoid a penalty.

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Speaker 1: I get that showing that you're defending your quarterback is

587
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Speaker 1: going to cost you fifteen yards and could end up

588
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Speaker 1: costing you the first down and could end up seeing

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Speaker 1: that's where then you're cutting off your noses by your face.

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Speaker 2: A little bit, I hear you. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: it has an impact. It shows a little bit more

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Speaker 2: than just fifteen yards. You know what, I mean, like,

593
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Speaker 2: I understand you and I don't want to get penalties.

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Speaker 2: I want to play a clean games. But I would

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Speaker 2: rather one time. I would rather than oh yeah, they

596
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Speaker 2: play the clean game, but Daniel Jones got hit late

597
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Speaker 2: four times. I would rather them shut that down. So

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Speaker 2: the quarterbacks not taking late hits, you know, established like, yo,

599
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Speaker 2: we got my quarterbacks back, he will fight for you.

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Speaker 2: Then the clean game. Daniel Jones get hit late four times,

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Speaker 2: then you can hit late one time and then all

602
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, we got a penalty and nobody's hitting

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Speaker 2: them late again, you know what I'm saying. Like, that's

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Speaker 2: the type of fight that I'm talking about. And maybe

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Speaker 2: if it takes a penalty, maybe, you know, like the borderline,

606
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Speaker 2: if it's borderline, it could have appreciated.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate the clarification, Big Homie, apreciate.

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Speaker 1: Him out on that one though time.

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Speaker 2: Because that's the but that's the game that you gotta play,

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Speaker 2: you know, like live on the edge, play on the edge,

611
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Speaker 2: but don't hurt the team. But every now and again,

612
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Speaker 2: when you live on the edge, you might hurt the team.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Fans over there like I can't, y'all.

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Speaker 3: I'm just taking it all in. UFC fifty three is

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Speaker 3: going to be at the Garden. Let's get them tickets.

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Speaker 3: That's what you want to see.

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Speaker 2: As long as I'm a featured event, We're good.

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Speaker 1: There we go. I mean this will be you know,

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Speaker 1: this will be a good one. It's gonna be weak

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Speaker 1: two Giants Cardinals, and we're looking forward to it. We're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it every week. Every week, this squad

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Speaker 1: is gonna be here looking ahead to these games too,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. Be London, I know you got

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Speaker 1: to get back to your day to see us. I'm Madelin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that's a wrap for us. Giants to

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Speaker 1: hang outs. Mattelingburg is Brandon London. Find us where you

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