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Speaker 3: You know what, guys, I didn't hate it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hate it either.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are parts I had notes on, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't overall terrible.
Speaker 1: There was some suckiness, there wasn't a lot.
Speaker 2: Emily is back in that saved this episode.
Speaker 3: And Richard and Richard back got me in the.
Speaker 2: Group Friday Night Dinner finally back when I saw.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but you need a good bad guy in this thing,
Speaker 1: and Emily's the bad guy in this thing, and it's
Speaker 1: it's like the antagonist of the shell basically.
Speaker 2: And even a bad guy like your entertainment.
Speaker 1: That's what makes it so great. It's like that negative
Speaker 1: energy versus the positive energy and its sparks fly. It's
Speaker 1: just fantastic.
Speaker 3: He's a little something.
Speaker 1: She's so good.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: Like the second I saw the Gilmour home the driveway,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, we're back.
Speaker 1: A little bit of an awkward scene at the top.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it landed. The jokes, the jokes were there,
Speaker 1: the writing was there, it was all kind of there,
Speaker 1: but it was off. It wasn't landing.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it felt it felt long.
Speaker 4: I think that like before before the little girl opened
Speaker 4: the door, we could have cut like a minute and
Speaker 4: a half from that banter.
Speaker 3: It's funny you say that, you guys, because that was
Speaker 3: I thought we were I thought the episode was going
Speaker 3: to suck from that before the credits roll scene, because
Speaker 3: it was like weird banter or Bengal or Bengal or
Speaker 3: like it was just trying too hard and they were
Speaker 3: trying to sqush, like let's be really really funny right
Speaker 3: from the start and people will like us. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like how I felt, and I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh no, But once I got inside it started a
Speaker 1: rock and roll.
Speaker 3: I don't have that many flags after that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's some flags. There are flags. You're going
Speaker 1: to step around them. There's some flags.
Speaker 3: So are people going to be tragically disappointed that Suzanne
Speaker 3: is not here to do this synopsis?
Speaker 1: Oh? Whoa, I just got a text from her.
Speaker 2: I'm going to hurry up and do the synopsis so
Speaker 2: that she doesn't take it away from me.
Speaker 1: Trying to get me to stop you from doing it?
Speaker 1: What No, she says, don't let dan Scott. I'm in
Speaker 1: New York. Don't let Danielle do the thing I like being.
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, this is season seven, episode three, the first Katilion.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna finish it. It's air date October tenth,
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. Lorelai expects the worst from her
Speaker 2: parents when she finally tells them that she and Luke
Speaker 2: have split up. Michelle convinces Laura to attend Ktilion after
Speaker 2: Emily host an afternoon tea, and Paris convinces Rory to
Speaker 2: send scandalous texts to Logan. Meanwhile, Lane finally tells Zach
Speaker 2: she is pregnant.
Speaker 1: Pretty great, that's a mic drop. Ooh, I'm gonna text Uzanne.
Speaker 1: Uh you should worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your queendom may be going away.
Speaker 1: The throne Maybe usurped Like I said.
Speaker 3: I didn't hate it, and I really don't as a whole.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I don't hate.
Speaker 1: It all right, let's go.
Speaker 3: I also thought Lauren Graham looked so good in this
Speaker 3: entire episode. You know this is that she ever looked
Speaker 3: bad though, I mean no, but she was particularly cute.
Speaker 2: This may be the dumbest and very very late revelation
Speaker 2: that I don't know how seven seasons later, I'm just
Speaker 2: finally like seeing you all have the most piercing blue eyes,
Speaker 2: the three of you, Luke, Loreli and Rory. I literally true.
Speaker 2: I don't know why this episode. I was just like
Speaker 2: everyone's eyes.
Speaker 3: It was just weird.
Speaker 2: It was so weird.
Speaker 1: Well that, yeah, but I was was even this.
Speaker 3: I was in one in the diner, a good scene
Speaker 3: actually with Rory, very good scene. I have a comment
Speaker 3: about that scene. And there's a moment in this episode
Speaker 3: that causes a lot of controversy that I will talk
Speaker 3: about when we get.
Speaker 2: There amongst the people, maybe amongst us as well.
Speaker 3: Maybe so she would just start going through it. We
Speaker 3: already kind of talked about. The open scene didn't totally work. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was too long, it was too dense, it was
Speaker 3: not get on.
Speaker 1: The horse and let's get the thing moving.
Speaker 4: But when then when they give the drink quarters to
Speaker 4: the little girl, Oh my.
Speaker 3: God, did everybody think, like, what is going on? Did
Speaker 3: they hire a maid that is eleven?
Speaker 1: But I knew it was going to pay off and
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be something like that. But
Speaker 1: that first jokey joke from from Lauren or from what
Speaker 1: she said, is that legal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was the best in that whole scene. Plus
Speaker 3: with the little girl being like, oh, your mother warned
Speaker 3: me you you were you know, you had a smart
Speaker 3: mouth or whatever.
Speaker 1: It was right, But she was so sweet about it.
Speaker 1: She wasn't you know, she's cast perfectly. She was very keen.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only part was when Emily yielded her about
Speaker 3: the ice. I was like, oh Emily too.
Speaker 1: That was but that that guarantees that Emily is the
Speaker 1: antagonist of this. Yeah, you know, and Taylor a little bit.
Speaker 3: I guess are you taking us through what? Scott? Oh?
Speaker 3: I am pardon me? Let me.
Speaker 1: I retired from that.
Speaker 3: Well, you're so good at that about.
Speaker 1: I retired from that?
Speaker 3: When did you retire?
Speaker 1: I retired last week? And you know, because your.
Speaker 3: That was just a one time thing, because of your tooth.
Speaker 1: This will be in perpetuity.
Speaker 3: The people are not going to like this.
Speaker 1: B s.
Speaker 3: All right, so we come in.
Speaker 1: They're gonna love.
Speaker 3: It, They're not. They prefer I don't mind, I don't
Speaker 3: mind doing it.
Speaker 1: No, you'll discuss it.
Speaker 3: So we talked about the opening scene, which it seems
Speaker 3: like all of us are in agreement. It wasn't great,
Speaker 3: and I had concerns. Credits roll and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: but then we go off to the races. So this
Speaker 3: little girl opens the door. It turns out to be Charlotte,
Speaker 3: and we realized that Emily is kind of coaching up
Speaker 3: these little girls, specifically Emily for the Katillion Charlie, and
Speaker 3: we had great banter and the whole thing. So let's
Speaker 3: let's talk about let's talk about it. Well, all the
Speaker 3: way to dinner.
Speaker 2: Emily would she would be running the Katillion joint like
Speaker 2: she This is so up her alley and I love
Speaker 2: seeing her back in this little royal pedestal that she
Speaker 2: sits on.
Speaker 4: She always finds something to do, like she she finds
Speaker 4: like a new hobby and I love it in this world, like, oh,
Speaker 4: today I'm going to coach these fifteen girls.
Speaker 3: Who did Katillion here you of course, but it was
Speaker 3: it wasn't like you guys didn't have Katillia.
Speaker 4: I didn't even I thought it was just in like movies.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know the thing.
Speaker 3: No, we had it in either seventh or eighth grade.
Speaker 3: But it's much more casual than this. It's where you
Speaker 3: learn to dance, you learn to like dance with boys.
Speaker 3: And they still have it now in my town. And
Speaker 3: the big thing is that all the kids have a
Speaker 3: dinner together, so not like a fancy thing like they
Speaker 3: did in this, although not that different. All the kids
Speaker 3: before they go to the katillion they go to each week.
Speaker 3: It's like five weeks of Katillian and they go to
Speaker 3: like one house and that mom has prepared dinner, order
Speaker 3: tacos or whatever it is, and then they go off
Speaker 3: and they learn to dance and they have.
Speaker 5: To would you say, weren't they eleven.
Speaker 2: Eleven in this?
Speaker 3: I think it was the right age. It's about seventh grade.
Speaker 3: I think you do. It's seventh grade probably like well thirteen, yeah,
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen?
Speaker 4: Really when I have you guys seen the movie at
Speaker 4: Danielle You probably have. She's the Man with Amanda Bynes
Speaker 4: and then like she goes to Katilion. It always threw
Speaker 4: me off because I didn't know what it was. But
Speaker 4: they're like teenagers, they're like sixteen seventeen, so I didn't
Speaker 4: know it was a specific age.
Speaker 2: So you didn't You didn't learn like about the forks
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 3: No, that wasn't part of this arc. What Katillion was
Speaker 3: for us, it was learning to dance. So you learned
Speaker 3: like the box step and not the walls, but like
Speaker 3: some simple dances and then you yeah, and it was
Speaker 3: at the I think the dancing part was that you
Speaker 3: learned No but is that Bruce Springsteen? No? But then, uh,
Speaker 3: where did I have manners classes? I definitely had some
Speaker 3: sort of manners thing too, So this was sort of
Speaker 3: just combining.
Speaker 1: That interesting And what do you remember about the manners class?
Speaker 3: Oh? The bread always the bread that you never Okay,
Speaker 3: So here's your piece of bread, right, Yes, this is
Speaker 3: not toast. This is bread at a at a dignified thing.
Speaker 3: Never never take the butter and this never never never.
Speaker 3: So you take the butter off, the butter thing, you
Speaker 3: put it onto your plate. Then you break off your
Speaker 3: bite of bread.
Speaker 2: And you did it.
Speaker 3: No, you you butter each bite of bread. You don't
Speaker 3: butter like slather it off. It's funny you guys bring
Speaker 3: this up. So there's this place in San Francisco called
Speaker 3: Crown and Crumpet obviously the name Crumpet, and you can
Speaker 3: take manners classes there.
Speaker 2: Never so my nieces, you could.
Speaker 3: My nieces have the worst habit of this. You know,
Speaker 3: when you've got like something on your mouth and I'm
Speaker 3: like the whole backhand like sweatshirt. It's like no, but
Speaker 3: the the buttering of the bread and the forks, the
Speaker 3: forks tracked. You definitely would learn about the forks.
Speaker 4: Did you know the internet is just learning about what
Speaker 4: a charger is what? Because of TikTok.
Speaker 2: That's like a very well known thing. It's the decorative
Speaker 2: plate under the plate.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know what it was called. And like
Speaker 4: this TikTok went viral because the.
Speaker 3: Girl ate off the charger.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, uh etiquette expert Amy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk tout Okay. So once you let's say you have steak,
Speaker 1: you cut the steak. You have to put the knife
Speaker 1: down first, and then you switch hands, yes, correct, and
Speaker 1: eat with your.
Speaker 2: Right hand right unless you're lefty, right, right, Okay, so
Speaker 2: you can't do none of the.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no, you can't hold the knife.
Speaker 3: And you know, I thought Emily said it very well
Speaker 3: because a lot of people mess us up and a
Speaker 3: lot of restaurants, you know, like you don't put your
Speaker 3: jam knife down on the tablecloth. Oh no, and then
Speaker 3: you just got a jam Remember jam hands. It brought
Speaker 3: me right back to remember when Luke didn't like jam hands.
Speaker 3: But so that was a good, good one. I'll try
Speaker 3: and think of more as we go, but right now
Speaker 3: we're just setting it up, and I thought I was
Speaker 3: so happy. I was like, oh, the banter's great. The
Speaker 3: little girl is sort of adding a flavor we needed.
Speaker 3: And then we get to the dinner and the whole
Speaker 3: reveal of Luke and I broke up and they're sort
Speaker 3: of like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: They couldn't care less, and She's like, oh, mad, I didn't.
Speaker 4: Think that they didn't care I just thought that Emily
Speaker 4: was waiting for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she kind of probably knew it was coming from
Speaker 3: the house. Tears from the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just oh, is that the last time we saw them? Yes, Wow,
Speaker 2: it's been a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 3: You know what, they comes to my mind, and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna swear, damn it, George swear from Back to the Future.
Speaker 3: You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't,
Speaker 3: if you're the Gilmours with Loralai, because if they caused
Speaker 3: a big ruckus, she'd be upset. Now they don't cause
Speaker 3: a big ruckus.
Speaker 1: She's sort of upset, right She's she's asking for a
Speaker 1: normalized family interaction when that is anything but yeah, she's
Speaker 1: asking for warmth and support when she is so contentious
Speaker 1: most of the time, but for good reason. Still, there's
Speaker 1: that imbalance at the dinner table.
Speaker 3: And I enjoyed the callback to Bangalore Bangalore. I just
Speaker 3: didn't enjoy it when with the setup, but that was
Speaker 3: funny and the little girl sitting there through all this,
Speaker 3: and the banter between the little girl and the Lorelie
Speaker 3: is like a ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: I also did like how the scene just ended after
Speaker 4: you said Bangalore, like it went with exactly what was
Speaker 4: supposed to happen. It's just like, all right, well, conversation's done.
Speaker 1: So I actually wanted more at the dinner table. I
Speaker 1: went less at the front door and more at the
Speaker 1: dinner time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I just laughed at that part because
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh they really they could call back work, had.
Speaker 3: A lot more banter with the little girl, Charlotte, the
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was all great.
Speaker 3: So then we go back to lore Lies and first
Speaker 3: we're getting the awkward logan calls while Rory's sleeping.
Speaker 4: Okay, which this is my first flag, Like he knows
Speaker 4: it's two am. He's acting like she's been up and
Speaker 4: out and about.
Speaker 3: It's also the math. Oh no there on the.
Speaker 2: East the East coast is eleven something. It said it
Speaker 2: on her alarm clock.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's eleven.
Speaker 2: I totally yeah, it's a twelve. Jackie pulled it up on.
Speaker 3: But that would be four am in London. Nothing's tracking.
Speaker 2: Hold on, there was an alarm clock with the time
Speaker 2: on it, because I weirdly was seeing if the alarm
Speaker 2: clock changed for like continuity things.
Speaker 4: I was, I don't know why, I just put to.
Speaker 3: See if the minutes rolled by.
Speaker 2: Ye, and two minutes rolled by.
Speaker 4: I wrote down two o'clock. But I also watched this
Speaker 4: really late last night. Maybe I just made up two am.
Speaker 3: But the math doesn't work though if it was eleven in.
Speaker 4: The I was thinking, here, I forgot they're on the
Speaker 4: East coast. I was thinking, it's.
Speaker 3: Still if it's only eleven on the East coast, it's
Speaker 3: only five hours later in London.
Speaker 4: Right, they're eight hours ahead from us, so it would
Speaker 4: have been ten.
Speaker 2: Oh here, here we go, here we go. No, Okay.
Speaker 2: On Rory's alarm clock, it's stand by.
Speaker 1: If it's eight hours from us, then it's five five.
Speaker 3: So it's like he's at work at two am or something.
Speaker 3: This doesn't make sense, or five am, but.
Speaker 1: I think it's more than five hours to Okay.
Speaker 3: Alexa, no time is it in London? So it's ten.
Speaker 5: It's I'm going to refer to the world eight hours
Speaker 5: later from.
Speaker 1: It's okay, so it's it's it is eight hours.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 3: So that's right. That's what makes sense. It makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's two am on the East coast, seven am in London.
Speaker 3: It's correct.
Speaker 4: But my but my point was why is he calling
Speaker 4: her at two am? Like he acted like, oh you're asleep.
Speaker 3: Oh great point, but I don't know, maybe he forgot.
Speaker 4: That was my call out was like the way he
Speaker 4: calls and he's talking to her is like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: don't you expect my call at two am? Like it
Speaker 4: just feels weird, and also seven am you probably just
Speaker 4: got to work.
Speaker 1: Like here's how maybe it can be justified. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: used to her always being up late studying maybe yeah.
Speaker 3: And they have to be summer, the time has to work.
Speaker 3: But that is just getting to work.
Speaker 4: So it doesn't work because it's summer.
Speaker 1: So it's okay to call her at two am because
Speaker 1: it's summer and she doesn't have to get up and study, right.
Speaker 3: Because guys, think about it, it's worse if it's ten
Speaker 3: am in London, then it's really the middle of the night, right.
Speaker 1: And it shows how much he misses.
Speaker 2: For the record, the second phone call at the end
Speaker 2: of this episode, it's eleven forty seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not this one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, got it, Yeah, got it, got it. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll get into the math later because there's a bigger
Speaker 3: math veil in this way.
Speaker 1: I tell you, Thank God, we don't run a golf tour,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: So then Rory gets up and she talks lorealies. Got
Speaker 3: the pop tart situation going? Do I even like pop tarts?
Speaker 3: She's eaten all the pop tarts?
Speaker 1: Now, I thought that was a very very insightful, uh
Speaker 1: sort of section of this show. It's she's examining from
Speaker 1: a psychological standpoint. She's sort of analyzing herself. I like
Speaker 1: the pop tarts pop tarts, and I thought that's kind
Speaker 1: of clever.
Speaker 3: It makes sense, like she's like if my mom would
Speaker 3: have handed me a pop tart. Like it's almost like
Speaker 3: we don't know if she likes pop tarts or not,
Speaker 3: because if Emily gave it to her she would have
Speaker 3: hated it. The friends giving it to her she loves it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what she likes pop tarts.
Speaker 1: But then I think, really the the uncomfortable part was
Speaker 1: I think the pop tart was Luke. Do I really
Speaker 1: love Luke?
Speaker 4: Oh wow?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Whoa?
Speaker 3: Who am I? Right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Who am I?
Speaker 1: Like she's questioning all of her choices.
Speaker 3: She doesn't know right who she is.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even know subconsciously, like maybe she just did
Speaker 1: it despite Emily and took the guy with the hat.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, maybe I am not as smart as you.
Speaker 3: But I did think it was a very good scene.
Speaker 3: I was very into the way they thank you, the
Speaker 3: way they did that. I did get it. I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: she really is sort of questioning who.
Speaker 1: She is, and then it was an interesting moment of
Speaker 1: reflection and I thought, very well done.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so far, I'm like this is going great.
Speaker 3: And even Rory's awkward call with Logan and how she
Speaker 3: explained it, like I can't remember she explained it to
Speaker 3: Lorelai or Lane later, but there's all the weird pauses
Speaker 3: and it's so awkward, and it was like, eh, you know,
Speaker 3: they're like, how is it in? And we'll get to
Speaker 3: how great I thought Paris was in this episode, but
Speaker 3: not time. So next we're at Luke's diner. It's the
Speaker 3: grand reopening, and first of all, I did think that
Speaker 3: the shot was different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shot was the.
Speaker 3: Way they shot that scene that was not an angle.
Speaker 3: I think I'd ever see different.
Speaker 4: It was, you know what it was amy It looked
Speaker 4: like it was right directly behind the counter instead of
Speaker 4: at an angle like we saw from Luke's perspective.
Speaker 3: I almost felt like the camera was like placed in
Speaker 3: the diner because I could see so much.
Speaker 1: They were favoring Sally Struthers and this Torres. They wanted
Speaker 1: to get those two on camera.
Speaker 3: But I could see like all the people walking. They
Speaker 3: was so like I could see the whole diner.
Speaker 2: But I do agree, like the windows did look different, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like they really did.
Speaker 3: That was my takeaway was the shot was so different
Speaker 3: that I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, all, all wonderful crew making it slightly different, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that whole thing was good. It was a
Speaker 3: it was a nice, funny sort of moment for be
Speaker 3: Bet and Patty to keep talking about what was going on.
Speaker 3: Then Rory comes in hint of awkwardness but yet still good. Yeah,
Speaker 3: kind of pushing through the awkwardness.
Speaker 2: And then late like the shout we're missing one thing
Speaker 2: that's very different this scene.
Speaker 3: New hat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, new hat.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was so down too far.
Speaker 2: I was down way too far. And you know it's
Speaker 2: one of those like baseball hats that when you.
Speaker 4: Have like the opening like usually like for a pony,
Speaker 4: like for a girl's pony tip.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like that. It didn't have a snapback.
Speaker 3: It was like this, I couldn't even see Scott's face.
Speaker 3: I'm like, get rid of that great call out. All
Speaker 3: in all, good scene, maybe not as good as the
Speaker 3: two before, but but good scene. And that was sort
Speaker 3: of that's where your big moment was there, Scott you
Speaker 3: did not get a lot of action in this episode,
Speaker 3: but that's all right. All I can think of is
Speaker 3: Scott's getting paid and he only had to do a
Speaker 3: half day's work. Darn, It's so funny. It's so true that, like,
Speaker 3: because we do work with a few actors, and I
Speaker 3: do think sometimes they get excited, like, hey, I don't
Speaker 3: have to go tomorrow.
Speaker 4: They're filming. I'm not.
Speaker 3: So we go to the Dragonfly and I thought this
Speaker 3: was kind of clever too. Lorli had her hair different.
Speaker 4: I had two flags in this scene.
Speaker 5: And the first one, oh, you rewarded yourself. You did.
Speaker 4: My first flag is that larelais had this hairdo in
Speaker 4: the episode in the show and it's literally in season
Speaker 4: one and as the credit when she kisses Rory on
Speaker 4: the forehead.
Speaker 3: Oh, but I thought this was slightly different, but I'll
Speaker 3: give you that the one where it's like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so that's it's like they all acted like
Speaker 4: she's never had her hair up. My second flag is
Speaker 4: Suki literally made at when they did the catering company.
Speaker 4: She made a whole table of food that was not
Speaker 4: for kids, but acted like right, oh my god, like
Speaker 4: the Pep and J's that's the only thing kids eat.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, now she has a kid, but maybe
Speaker 3: she has a kid.
Speaker 2: But it just sounds like I would eat those Peep
Speaker 2: and Jay sanwiches. They were they weren't just like a
Speaker 2: Peep and Jay sandwich. They were like their tea, a
Speaker 2: little circle, huge.
Speaker 4: And I guess it was more the way that Emily
Speaker 4: said it to her, like.
Speaker 5: Like I wanted.
Speaker 4: I wanted something like, oh my god, I have kids now,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like I feel like I needed.
Speaker 3: But I think she learned her lesson at the birthday party, and.
Speaker 1: That Emily came down so hard on her. There's she
Speaker 1: was probably shocked her and there's really no way to
Speaker 1: come back.
Speaker 3: It was aggressively mean to I mean, gosh, that was
Speaker 3: aggressive to Suki. It was like, dude, and they the
Speaker 3: cuts have like the little jelly popping up.
Speaker 5: It was so cute.
Speaker 4: It was so well done.
Speaker 3: I'm not at a cucumber sandwich zone. I did think
Speaker 3: the spinach and the teeth thing was very funny because
Speaker 3: if you have braces, you're like yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And Michelle was so Michelle was so good this episode.
Speaker 2: He was I like, I need I needed him back.
Speaker 2: To and I feel like they finally gave him a
Speaker 2: good episode.
Speaker 3: I totally agree, and I like circus food. Okay. Then
Speaker 3: this is what also nailed the episode for me is
Speaker 3: we go to Yale to the newsroom, and Paris was Paris,
Speaker 3: but she wasn't annoying. She was actually hilarious calling out
Speaker 3: the little boy. That was fully like googoo gaga over Rory.
Speaker 3: Like the whole thing was so funny. So you see
Speaker 3: the tutors doing their thing, and then you just see
Speaker 3: Paris criticizing all of them. It was so funny. And
Speaker 3: then she's all, I have five minutes. We can be
Speaker 3: friends for five minutes, and this is where the sexting starts.
Speaker 3: The whole thing was so funny and she's and Rory's like,
Speaker 3: can you not do that? While I'm like talking to you?
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so it was a yes, I.
Speaker 2: Wish they revealed like.
Speaker 5: What was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What was said? You know, like h.
Speaker 5: Family show wonder It's so funny.
Speaker 4: When I was watching it, I was like, like, I
Speaker 4: forget that it's two thousand and six, And so for me,
Speaker 4: I was like, does she not know what sexing is?
Speaker 4: But I guess at that time, like sexing was just starting.
Speaker 2: And they had their sidekicks to say that there was
Speaker 2: heavy product placement of the sidekick.
Speaker 4: That was mobile just right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all I know is I imagine Paris and Doyle
Speaker 3: being filthy on the sexting.
Speaker 2: I feel show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure is dipping her toe in a little bit
Speaker 3: more and Logan is upping the ante. But we'll get
Speaker 3: to that. So then this is the only scene that
Speaker 3: I didn't didn't It's not that I didn't love it.
Speaker 3: I didn't love love it. So we get to the
Speaker 3: apartment and Zach and Brian are talking about sort of
Speaker 3: how he thinks he's getting divorced, right, He's like it's over,
Speaker 3: and then she comes in and needs to talk and
Speaker 3: tells him she's pregnant. It was fine, It was fine.
Speaker 2: I don't like anything about it. I honestly, the whole
Speaker 2: Lane Lane storyline is really really dragging me down this season.
Speaker 1: Like it's just over, you know, it's like everything's just
Speaker 1: so what can I say?
Speaker 2: I wanted Laane to like enjoy being in newlywed and like,
Speaker 2: as where does this sounds like enjoy having sex and
Speaker 2: enjoy like she's not you know, like enjoy her.
Speaker 3: Own.
Speaker 2: She's still with living with her with Brian, you know,
Speaker 2: like I wanted them to have their own.
Speaker 3: Like be a little wild. But can we talk about
Speaker 3: the biggest flag in the entire episode? The honeymoon was
Speaker 3: three weeks ago. He says that, Yeah, there is no
Speaker 3: way she knows she's pregnant. No way, the honeymoon was
Speaker 3: three weeks ago.
Speaker 4: She hasn't even gone to the doctor yet. She just
Speaker 4: did a test.
Speaker 3: Dude, she hasn't even missed her period. She's not like that.
Speaker 3: The math is so and this is gonna sound so mean,
Speaker 3: but can you guys tell me who wrote this episode?
Speaker 3: Was a man? A man that doesn't know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: I mean, technically, but not I don't think.
Speaker 4: Wait, Amy, it's a woman who wrote the episode.
Speaker 3: Well then how does she not know this because that
Speaker 3: was strange.
Speaker 2: Technically you can find out before you miss your period
Speaker 2: three weeks I mean that would be before you miss
Speaker 2: your period.
Speaker 3: No, but can you find out? So basically, she's three
Speaker 3: weeks she had sex and it's been three weeks. Does
Speaker 3: a pregnancy test work?
Speaker 2: Then it can work like a week before your missed period.
Speaker 2: So technically, yes, yes, it's dice, but technically, yes, that
Speaker 2: is not the normal. That's not the normal.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so that was a little hanky.
Speaker 4: I may say, just felt like they're trying to speak.
Speaker 4: It's like they're dragging on Lane story line but speeding
Speaker 4: it up at the same time. Do you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, let's just give her like so many
Speaker 4: scenes that we kind of don't want to see. But
Speaker 4: also suddenly she's pregnant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did somebody go like, what are we going to do
Speaker 3: with Lane? Aha, let's make her pregnant.
Speaker 2: It would be different if they like if she I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think for me, it would be different
Speaker 2: if she went on her honeymoon she had sex with
Speaker 2: the first time. She liked it and she was excited
Speaker 2: about being with Zach. But it's just like it was
Speaker 2: had sex with this first time on the beach. It
Speaker 2: was the worst thing ever. I never want to have
Speaker 2: sex again. That was a weird honeymoon. YadA, YadA, YadA
Speaker 2: to Oh and by the way, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like they're serving I actually need
Speaker 2: justice in this.
Speaker 4: I actually wouldn't hate if the sex was bad all
Speaker 4: that and then like they come back and they're like,
Speaker 4: maybe we should like try again and like those kind
Speaker 4: of conversations. Yeah, like I think that would be better
Speaker 4: than just like all right, well now we really don't
Speaker 4: ever have to have sex again, because.
Speaker 3: I get I think they had sex at the end
Speaker 3: of the episode when they finally hugged, well, they kind.
Speaker 2: Of start and they were like really trying to make
Speaker 2: Lane look pregnant. Yeah, three, shirt was lifting and wait,
Speaker 2: not for a bump.
Speaker 3: I didn't notice that. I didn't you noticing me?
Speaker 4: Like they literally like her her shirt her pants were
Speaker 4: so low that her shirt was high and it tried
Speaker 4: to they tried to show a bump.
Speaker 3: Were you sure it wasn't.
Speaker 4: Just like, no, they've never showed her skin like that, Like.
Speaker 3: Can Jackie find that while we continue so that when.
Speaker 1: We to what, Yeah, yeah, they showed her skin and
Speaker 1: it did look like there was a bump.
Speaker 4: They've never done that ever.
Speaker 2: They I don't think Lane Lane's has showed anything but
Speaker 2: arms exactly.
Speaker 3: I need to see that. So we go to the
Speaker 3: Dragonfly for a scene that I love because the girls
Speaker 3: are coming in for their tea. Michelle is having the
Speaker 3: time of his life. The one girl that's just like
Speaker 3: the back you know, the sneakers girl later that's shoving
Speaker 3: food in her mouth and wall and like, I love
Speaker 3: that girl and I know a.
Speaker 2: Little with the shoes. She's so cute.
Speaker 3: The whole thing was so cute and Michelle is just like,
Speaker 3: you must take me and we have the sticky note,
Speaker 3: I owe you, you know whatever. That whole everything about
Speaker 3: it was so good. And setting up that they're going
Speaker 3: to the Katillion.
Speaker 2: I think Michelle, if he could would be like would
Speaker 2: be in the like it would go through Is it
Speaker 2: going through a kittilion? What's the correct burbon?
Speaker 3: I just except going to kotillion, like he would.
Speaker 2: Go to Kotilion, or like Ailian, like he would be
Speaker 2: one of the one the girl, oh my god, it's.
Speaker 3: So cute, like he gets her to dance this the
Speaker 3: whole he took paul Anka all of it. It was
Speaker 3: very clever and with the girls in the background. I
Speaker 3: could have watched those girls for so much longer, just
Speaker 3: all their funny stuff and Emily telling him about the
Speaker 3: forks and that's where we learn you don't put the
Speaker 3: knife down on the somewhat fine linen, but much more
Speaker 3: fancy linen for the it was great.
Speaker 2: I agree. I loved everything about the Katilion.
Speaker 3: Then the scene that I really did not care for.
Speaker 3: We're back at the apartment and it's like Zuck keeps
Speaker 3: forgetting that they're pregnant, Like it's.
Speaker 2: Like he's like seeing her to drink a beer and ending.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was so dumb. That was just so
Speaker 3: dumb dumb. Then we go to the library and I
Speaker 3: enjoyed this scene quite a bit. Lane's reading what to
Speaker 3: Expect when You're Expecting and all the books and she's
Speaker 3: losing her mind and Rory's trying to read from books
Speaker 3: how to sext and the whole thing. That was a
Speaker 3: cute scene and Lane was Lane.
Speaker 2: Was Rory too, like going to books again and like
Speaker 2: trying to read up on it or well it.
Speaker 3: Is so Rory, right, like of course she's gonna copy
Speaker 3: out of a book her first sext and then Christopher
Speaker 3: calls to go to dinner. It was all good.
Speaker 4: I think the one the one thing for me is
Speaker 4: like and maybe for going back to the Lane storyline
Speaker 4: is like she just sects so immature. I'm like, at
Speaker 4: this point they're probably what twenty one, twenty two, twenty one, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like it just for me, I'm like, you're not sixteen, Lane, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but that's.
Speaker 3: The I agree with you, except for in this scene
Speaker 3: I thought she seemed twenty one where she was sort
Speaker 3: of telling Rory no sex, do it like she was
Speaker 3: much more sassy Lane, And so I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, you know what, I'm just I'm gonna go out
Speaker 1: on a limb here. I don't think that's the show
Speaker 1: And I think that was a mistake.
Speaker 3: Talk to me. I had a feeling you would feel
Speaker 3: this way.
Speaker 1: It just is it's not within the parameter of what
Speaker 1: has already been set up that's appropriate for the show.
Speaker 1: I don't think you think. I don't think the audience appreciated.
Speaker 1: I think a large part of the audience didn't appreciate
Speaker 1: the sexting, the lay stuff, with how horrible the marriage
Speaker 1: is and how out of touch they are. And I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of what we saw here in
Speaker 1: this episode, now that I think about it a little
Speaker 1: bit reflected the values of the show or the values
Speaker 1: that the show has always represented to this fan base.
Speaker 3: I had a feeling you might feel this way because
Speaker 3: basically what it did, in my opinion is the show
Speaker 3: is very PG and this took it to PG thirteen.
Speaker 3: I personally liked it. I was ready for it. I
Speaker 3: enjoyed that last scene with But I'll be interested to
Speaker 3: see what other fans think because I think there will
Speaker 3: be people who agree with you.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little indifferent because, like I didn't mind it.
Speaker 4: Like I've seen shows obviously that have talked about sex
Speaker 4: way more, but I think for this show, it just
Speaker 4: came kind of out of left field right off the
Speaker 4: bat in the first three episodes of season seven, like
Speaker 4: maybe if you sprinkled it in sure, but now this
Speaker 4: is three up? Is it two or three three episodes
Speaker 4: of like sex talk, and so I think for having
Speaker 4: six seasons of like the only time sex being mentioned
Speaker 4: is like Lorelei sleeping with someone.
Speaker 3: Because Rory lost her virginity. On this show, you guys
Speaker 3: do a married man. They've definitely gone there.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't to detail of like how it was
Speaker 4: where they talked about it so much. I think, like
Speaker 4: they mentioned it with Dean, but I think this is
Speaker 4: just like now repetitive where it feels.
Speaker 5: A little forced.
Speaker 2: It feels forced. I would say the Dean storyline totally
Speaker 2: like made sense, right, Like.
Speaker 4: Not that it's a coming of age.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a coming You're right, it's a coming of
Speaker 2: age story. But I do agree with you. The sex
Speaker 2: scene storyline and Lane getting pregnant is just feels so
Speaker 2: jammed down, like our throats. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: explain it.
Speaker 3: It's like so.
Speaker 2: Forced and not in line of what I think they
Speaker 2: would do as characters.
Speaker 3: Oh, I liked it. I you know what, I think
Speaker 3: Rory needs to be sexting. I'm gonna say it, like
Speaker 3: she needs to be a little more like that. And
Speaker 3: I liked that Lane was encouraging her. And Paris of
Speaker 3: course would be the one to think of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of. I don't know if I would have.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this means, but like I feel
Speaker 2: like I would have maybe liked it a little bit
Speaker 2: more coming from Logan first and Rory being like, WHOA
Speaker 2: what is this?
Speaker 3: But that could respond. I think Rory had to go
Speaker 3: first because she is Rory, right, and Logan knows who
Speaker 3: she's he's dating. If he went first, it could be
Speaker 3: interpreted as like, h cringe this guy. But because she
Speaker 3: started it and then he was fully in m hmm,
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it, but I respect see people.
Speaker 3: I respect another opinion, but I knew Scott wouldn't like it,
Speaker 3: because Scott.
Speaker 1: No, it's you have to understand the medium you're working in.
Speaker 1: You have to understand the show, right. You risk alienating
Speaker 1: an audience by going outside of that, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's like, this business is all about staying in your lane,
Speaker 1: and once you established that you've dominated a lane, you
Speaker 1: stay there. I don't I think it was risky and
Speaker 1: I didn't think it didn't work for me personally as
Speaker 1: a fan of the show. Some people think it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's fine. You know, we can disagree. It just did
Speaker 1: not seem it didn't fit in the show for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll give you that. It's a little something something.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not wholesome. This is a wholesome show
Speaker 1: that takes risks in They're already taking big risks with
Speaker 1: the with the Emily and Richard storyline, with you know
Speaker 1: that that broken family, but the focus is this family.
Speaker 1: Getting into the details of how horrible the sex was
Speaker 1: on the beach and I hate sex and I never
Speaker 1: want to do sex again, and even saying the word sex, sex,
Speaker 1: sex on the beach with Zach was awful. It was terrible.
Speaker 1: There's crabs. Oh, nobody wants to hear this?
Speaker 2: I do, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was funny, not from.
Speaker 4: Them, not from that. I liked this.
Speaker 3: That part I didn't like, but I did. I'm into
Speaker 3: the sexting thing. I thought the scene with Paris was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I thought it was hilarious that she was sexting with Doyle.
Speaker 3: I thought the comedy was funny with Rory being grossed out,
Speaker 3: and that Rory's copying it out of a book. I
Speaker 3: don't mind. The pregnancy storyline is not great. The other
Speaker 3: one I'm okay with. I don't mind it. All right,
Speaker 3: we'll continue, we can agree to disagree and see where
Speaker 3: it takes us.
Speaker 1: Okay, So then now, right now, Arthur Godfrey somewhere is
Speaker 1: turning over and great.
Speaker 3: We go back to Laura's house where she's picking out
Speaker 3: her Katillion outfit, which I thought actually was funny when
Speaker 3: she tried on that outfit that wasn't great AND's like
Speaker 3: and Rory reveals that she's going to go to dinner
Speaker 3: with Christopher, and she sort of says, we're not not talking,
Speaker 3: and we kind of get that and then she's doing
Speaker 3: hashtag relatable what every girl does.
Speaker 1: Ask you, Amy, I have a question for here. Why
Speaker 1: is your Why is your boyfriend always popping up in
Speaker 1: these episodes now making random phone calls to Rory and Laurela.
Speaker 3: Thank you for asking talking about Christopher because my first
Speaker 3: boyfriend is Logan Christopher. My second boyfriend is Christopher. And
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I've had some cringe with Ickstaffer, but
Speaker 3: now I'm kinda back with him. I'm okay with him
Speaker 3: in this episode.
Speaker 4: Oh no, not me.
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna definitely agree to disagree because I sort
Speaker 3: of was enjoying him, so okay, there was something. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: Rory is doing what every girl does, which is send
Speaker 3: a text and then completely stress over it your phone.
Speaker 3: Make a friend text you to make sure your phone
Speaker 3: is working. I mean the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, read check to see if it went through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you send me a text so that I.
Speaker 4: Know that you got that last one? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh I'm getting a text like it's so good.
Speaker 4: That's still relatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. It really made the episode.
Speaker 2: Except now it's is it blue? Did it go?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, why.
Speaker 3: Am I green? Why did I go green. Okay, So
Speaker 3: then we go back to Lane's apartment. They're having their
Speaker 3: bagel bites, and this is where they finally talk after like, well,
Speaker 3: Brian's feel.
Speaker 4: Did we talk about the part where Zach just is
Speaker 4: like I think it was this scene or maybe it
Speaker 4: was another scene where she's like, oh, I should be
Speaker 4: drinking milk and he's like, I'm having cravings too, or
Speaker 4: you know that, like weird.
Speaker 3: Was I think the scene before that was.
Speaker 1: I thought all these scenes were forced.
Speaker 3: This one was the like, well, this finds freaking out.
Speaker 3: She's like, well, I'm freaking out.
Speaker 2: This is where they show them.
Speaker 3: Can someone show me this? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then they say this baby totally sucks that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody showed me this bomb.
Speaker 1: It's just not Gilmore girls, how do you say that
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be in the delivery room and.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to cut the tube?
Speaker 1: Bab you know this. These are the best moments of
Speaker 1: a father's life. I went through all of those moments
Speaker 1: and hours twenty one. How old you are, man, that's
Speaker 1: your kid, and it's a beautiful moment, and I just
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 3: I think it's also ze they're freaking out right now.
Speaker 3: Because they're twenty one, they've been married for a day.
Speaker 1: It's character destruction.
Speaker 5: He also their characters interesting.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting Does.
Speaker 1: He have a job, clearly not if he's in a band.
Speaker 1: He's drinking beer and playing video games as an expectant father,
Speaker 1: which I guess somebody has. How old is he supposed
Speaker 1: to be in this anyway?
Speaker 3: Isn't he about her age a little bit older?
Speaker 1: How old is that?
Speaker 3: Twenty two, twenty three? Gil is obviously older.
Speaker 1: What's Gil got to do with this?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying in the band, they're like in
Speaker 3: the band, I think the three of them are all
Speaker 3: about the same age. And then he's I'm not looping
Speaker 3: him in. He's obviously older.
Speaker 1: Sent the Let me look, you know, this episode keeps
Speaker 1: going off the rails, and you know it gets back
Speaker 1: on from time to time.
Speaker 3: You've got I think that her shirt just went up.
Speaker 2: No, this is not here that.
Speaker 1: It did go up, But I just think it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, right, I maybe I agree. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they were intentionally trying to show a bump. I
Speaker 1: just think during the hug and it was so passionate
Speaker 1: that her shirt went up a little bit and revealed
Speaker 1: her stomach.
Speaker 4: But like my thought process was like they they would
Speaker 4: have fixed that or redone the scene, right if they
Speaker 4: didn't want her skin showing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at the video I just sat. It's a
Speaker 2: little bit clearer there.
Speaker 3: I just think she's a day pregnant. Okay, hold on watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah that'stically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but we're saying like they made her wear something
Speaker 3: like I don't know, they did stomach.
Speaker 2: They liked that shot, like for I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 4: I think maybe I don't know, Danielle, when did you
Speaker 4: start showing with your first baby?
Speaker 2: You don't show to like four months?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's what I was gonna say, is like,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Our shirt just went up.
Speaker 1: I think our shirt just went up. I don't think
Speaker 1: we should make a thing about this too, because it's
Speaker 1: not correct. That's what I love, trying to show a bump, right.
Speaker 3: That's what I look like if my shirt goes.
Speaker 2: I totally disagree. I think when they were shooting this,
Speaker 2: they liked that. They liked that that her her shirt
Speaker 2: went up and we saw her stomach because we never
Speaker 2: have seen Lane's stomach before this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh God, For some ofthing that just took me
Speaker 3: back to when she was like petting that guy's hair,
Speaker 3: like episode two Good Old Days. We go now to
Speaker 3: the Ketillion and Michelle is living his best life. He
Speaker 3: is so stoked he got Loralai a ginormous cassage. She's
Speaker 3: all mad she didn't get him a boot near. I mean,
Speaker 3: it is so good. She sees the Caroline girl who's
Speaker 3: sort of the mini Loreli wearing the converse, and they
Speaker 3: wave and Charlotte is introducing her to the grandparents and
Speaker 3: they're all so very polite, and Michelle gets sort of
Speaker 3: dance and she's having a good time. I mean, that
Speaker 3: was really cute. There are moments where she doesn't hate
Speaker 3: the world she's from. She just gives it a try.
Speaker 4: And she was so cute with Charlotte, who was talking
Speaker 4: about the dance, and like, you know, maybe it made
Speaker 4: me think of I kind of wish that we got
Speaker 4: more scenes of her with April.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Interesting, you know, honestly, I felt that even this stuff
Speaker 1: was forced as well. You know, Michelle debanding to go
Speaker 1: to the Cotillion. I mean, it's quite quite odd, you know,
Speaker 1: I liked it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't bother me that, like something Michelle would do.
Speaker 2: Because he's so like fancy pants and it is like
Speaker 2: he's with his people. Finally, yeah, he's found his group
Speaker 2: of peeps.
Speaker 3: I liked all that. I liked it for some reason.
Speaker 3: I was very drawn to the Charlotte character. I could
Speaker 3: have had many episodes with her.
Speaker 2: I was drawn to Lorelei's character in the Kilian group,
Speaker 2: like I would have loved to hear them have more
Speaker 2: of an interaction because for the most part, it was
Speaker 2: just like Loreal's like, I got eyes on you, I
Speaker 2: know who you are, I get you, I understand you.
Speaker 2: But they didn't really have, you know, a.
Speaker 3: Scene, and she was so cute. Okay, so then we
Speaker 3: get back to that. We're back at the kitchen at
Speaker 3: the Gilmours and Chris, Christopher, and Rory are splitting up
Speaker 3: the food and feeding paul Anka some key lime pie.
Speaker 3: I even thought the brownie line was funny. He's like,
Speaker 3: you ordered a brownie, right, but like only one. I
Speaker 3: thought that they had a cue banter. And then Christopher
Speaker 3: and Lorlyi are sort of have their awkward moment and
Speaker 3: she offers him coffee and then he really just spills
Speaker 3: his gut, which I get what.
Speaker 2: He's all in. It's his version of being all in.
Speaker 3: Gosh, so I don't know what else he was supposed
Speaker 3: to do. It's like it was a little over the top.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I'm like, okay, respect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean an honest moment, right, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he's we don't want him there in the first place.
Speaker 1: But he stood there and face the music and said,
Speaker 1: you know, unpacked his feelings. And I thought he did
Speaker 1: it in an exemplary way. He was honest, and he left.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this and then I'll tell you
Speaker 3: the thing that everybody asks about this scene. So you're Christopher, right,
Speaker 3: And I know a lot of people are mad at
Speaker 3: Christopher that he slept with Laura Lai right, Like, they're
Speaker 3: so mad about it. They're like, why would he do that?
Speaker 3: He should have been her friend, he should have been
Speaker 3: there for her. But if we are to take it
Speaker 3: at face value that he loves her and he's so
Speaker 3: in love with her, she's the one for him and
Speaker 3: he's finally realized that and she knocks at his door,
Speaker 3: I would I don't think very many quote friends in
Speaker 3: that position would say no.
Speaker 2: I don't think Christopher's in the wrong with that. I
Speaker 2: do think Laurel is the one that's wrong for going there,
Speaker 2: and I like he's just he's taking her lead. You know,
Speaker 2: she's the one that's leading this relationship. Really, she's the
Speaker 2: one that's sparking a fire back into it and he's
Speaker 2: following it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. I don't know if Scott
Speaker 3: and Tarr have a different take on it.
Speaker 4: No, I agree because she kind of opened the door
Speaker 4: for that to happen, Like I don't. He wasn't going
Speaker 4: to stumble into her house like he knows that she's engaged.
Speaker 4: But I get what you're saying, like if that, if
Speaker 4: she came in his door, so he took it.
Speaker 2: Even if you have episodes ago when she was super
Speaker 2: drunk at the wedding, he slept on the chair, you know,
Speaker 2: like he.
Speaker 3: Is a right, that's a great point. He was a
Speaker 3: good guy. He's not taking advantage of her, No, just
Speaker 3: following her lead. But he's definitely we knew at the.
Speaker 1: Wedding, stop parasite. He turns up when.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I know you, I get why you
Speaker 3: don't like him, But at the same time, I'm not
Speaker 3: sure he's so.
Speaker 1: We're not supposed to like him.
Speaker 4: Well, Scott, I understand what you mean when like he
Speaker 4: just shows up, but this time it actually really was
Speaker 4: Laurel opening the door and then Rory calling or sorry
Speaker 4: Rory saying like, yeah, let's go to dinner. So like
Speaker 4: he did get the invite.
Speaker 2: He is a parasite, Like, yeah, for sure, he is
Speaker 2: a parasite, but he's not to blame in my opinion.
Speaker 5: You know, Laurel.
Speaker 1: Did remind me if Laurel I set because all of
Speaker 1: this spills onto Rory as well, right as well? Right,
Speaker 1: so lare behavior. You know, it's crucial here to set
Speaker 1: up these boundaries. And maybe she's just not very good.
Speaker 3: It never does that, like not to dog lor Lie,
Speaker 3: but the minute you date.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not trying to do that, but I'm asking
Speaker 1: a question.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm the one doing the dogging. I'm dogging her,
Speaker 3: right because if you the minute you date your kids teacher,
Speaker 3: you don't have boundaries.
Speaker 1: Right, There's there's no boundaries here. So like all of
Speaker 1: this wackiness and all of this chaos and hurt and
Speaker 1: pain is possible because you've got a seemingly responsible adult
Speaker 1: who is a great mother, right, a great person, a
Speaker 1: great mother. But you know there's no boundaries to these,
Speaker 1: That's right. People just keep kind of walking and she's
Speaker 1: you know, she's so attractive and she's so wonderful. How
Speaker 1: people can't resist, right, and this is what we're supposed
Speaker 1: to believe, and we do that.
Speaker 2: Forgot about Digger too, Like you know, she.
Speaker 3: Has to dat your dad's business arch or he does it,
Speaker 3: and she has no boundaries for Richard and Emily or Rory.
Speaker 3: Now I have a question based on something Scott said,
Speaker 3: we're not supposed to like Christopher. I disagree. I think
Speaker 3: we're supposed to like him a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think we're supposed to understand him. I don't think
Speaker 2: we're supposed to like him. I think we're supposed to
Speaker 2: understand him.
Speaker 1: Because I don't think he's seven is a desperate attempt
Speaker 1: to try to rehabilitate a character that's not rehabilitate to.
Speaker 3: Bold, I don't. I think throughout the course.
Speaker 1: Of the SERI it's such an awkward season.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm saying you may be right, but
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, throughout the course of the season, I
Speaker 3: don't think Christopher is the villain. I think we're supposed
Speaker 3: to like him a little bit because I actually felt
Speaker 3: for her before when they were kind of hooking up again,
Speaker 3: and then then he finds out that Sherry's pregnant and
Speaker 3: he goes back to Sherry. That was painful. And we
Speaker 3: wouldn't have pain like that if we were supposed to
Speaker 3: hate him, we'd be like, praise the Lord, get rid
Speaker 3: of this loser. No, we're drawn. I can only speak
Speaker 3: for myself. I'm a little bit drawn to Christopher. I
Speaker 3: don't hate him. I do there's things about him I like,
Speaker 3: and I'm intrigued. If he was the villain, I'd be like,
Speaker 3: he sucks, Like I'm trying to think of a villain
Speaker 3: Lex Luthor. I hate Lex Luthor, Like guy sucks.
Speaker 4: I think having a show also, I get what you're saying, Amy,
Speaker 4: I think the show also may have like changed him
Speaker 4: a little when like suddenly he got all this money
Speaker 4: and he wanted to be Rory's dad and so like
Speaker 4: it makes the audience want to care for him because
Speaker 4: now he can support his daughter. And I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that's how it should be in any situation, in every situation,
Speaker 4: but I think for Chris Christopher, like that was kind
Speaker 4: of of his redemption.
Speaker 3: Take care of Rory.
Speaker 1: Okay, so these two Laurelin and Christopher are not speaking
Speaker 1: right now. Correct, they're not hang on, hang on right,
Speaker 1: I know, right, I got that, but they're not right now.
Speaker 1: They're not talking. They're not speaking.
Speaker 4: Well, she just didn't return his phone call.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Rory has an automobile, correct, Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: forces he makes a phone call and if I'll come
Speaker 1: pick you up and then i'll drop you off and
Speaker 1: I'll be around and I'll hang around. This is the
Speaker 1: parasitic nature of this character.
Speaker 4: That's her dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think a dad is ever gonna say, hey,
Speaker 3: twenty year old drive across.
Speaker 1: She told him not to get his hopes up after
Speaker 1: the first after they slept together, right. She tried to
Speaker 1: correct her mistake with him, like, please respect my wishes.
Speaker 1: This isn't going any farther her, you know. And here
Speaker 1: he is making it's fine to go have dinner with
Speaker 1: your daughter, but at least respect laurelized space.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't want to f up your relationship with your mom,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to f up your world because
Speaker 1: I came picked you up, and you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to create a situation where I'm going to run into
Speaker 1: Laurel I because I love her so much, because I
Speaker 1: can't control myself because I have no boaler. It's like
Speaker 1: two people that then a boundary.
Speaker 3: I did think of that. I actually did think of that.
Speaker 4: He also didn't have to come in, like he could
Speaker 4: have dropped her.
Speaker 1: Off, he thought, and then just driven home.
Speaker 3: And actually thought the coming in was the boundary cross
Speaker 3: not the picking up, because think about how many divorced
Speaker 3: parents they picked their kids up. They wait outside, or
Speaker 3: they they knock on the door, and the other person
Speaker 3: invites them in whatever, into the kitchen. Unless Rory was like, no, dad,
Speaker 3: come in. We don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it was all fine until he
Speaker 4: came into the kitchen. Like everything else about them going
Speaker 4: to dinner together, I didn't mind.
Speaker 1: It's not acting like adults.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we've got two more super important things. The
Speaker 3: sexting begins. I know how I feel. How do you
Speaker 3: all feel?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to I don't know how to answer this.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not it's a different show. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden it's euphoria.
Speaker 4: I thought. The one thing that was kind of dumb
Speaker 4: is that she responded, but she never saw it because
Speaker 4: she's been checking that phone like crazy.
Speaker 3: Well went into some weird secret envelope or something. I
Speaker 3: don't remember how the side gets.
Speaker 5: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it's because of the time. I don't remember
Speaker 4: how it worked. But I weirdly didn't hate it at all.
Speaker 2: I like Logan sexting, like, you know what, I go
Speaker 2: for it, Logan, you do you like? I think? I
Speaker 2: think it's it feels right coming from Logan.
Speaker 5: That's why, especially his reaction, what this feels like.
Speaker 1: This feels like a spin off show.
Speaker 3: I would have love that spin off.
Speaker 1: This feels like a spin off show starring where like Laurel,
Speaker 1: I and Luca, the supporting characters, Lane and Rory are
Speaker 1: the main characters. So we're kind of what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't even feel like Gilmore Girls anymore.
Speaker 3: I I respectfully disagree. This episode felt pretty good to me,
Speaker 3: and I like, I think it's maybe because I crush
Speaker 3: on Logan so hard. When she calls him and was like,
Speaker 3: did you get my text? And he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: got your I was so in. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I got I got our text.
Speaker 2: He's also just giving Rory what every girl wants.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: No, that was a good text, you know, and you
Speaker 2: know he crushed it, freaking Logan crushed.
Speaker 3: I agree, and he wrote back something. He leveled it
Speaker 3: up like it was like poker, I'll see your whatever,
Speaker 3: and I raise you. And obviously I thought it was
Speaker 3: exactly cute when she's like, I can't do it while
Speaker 3: I'm on the phone with you. The whole thing was cute.
Speaker 4: I liked it, and the banter between them with the
Speaker 4: sex thing was I liked it. I liked it more
Speaker 4: than the conversation with Laine about it.
Speaker 3: And then we go upstairs for the either gut punch.
Speaker 2: Or gut punch.
Speaker 3: For me, it was a sorry, sorry y'all. So, Scott,
Speaker 3: how do you feel that Laura Lai called Christopher and
Speaker 3: don't let me forget to say the thing that everyone
Speaker 3: comments on, don't let me forget.
Speaker 1: It's just at this point it's just a hack show.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's just melodrama, you know, It's
Speaker 1: it's so off the rails it's hard to follow it.
Speaker 1: Now you know, you know, I'm I'm entertained by some
Speaker 1: of the scenes. Some of it feels like the old show,
Speaker 1: but most of it doesn't.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: What's annoying is that every episode in season seven so far,
Speaker 2: and granted I know there's only three, but has ended
Speaker 2: with Lorelei seeking Christopher. Yeah, you know, it's like, haven'm
Speaker 2: be together on an even episode two?
Speaker 3: Didn episode two end?
Speaker 1: You know what I think it's. I think it's the
Speaker 1: unwillingness of the How do I say this without sounding
Speaker 1: like a complete tool, sounding like a well, it wasn't
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a problem so far from now.
Speaker 3: I want to hear.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess you know, when you destroy a character,
Speaker 1: it's like who cares what anybody does?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke and Laurel I were such a big
Speaker 1: part of that show, and now Luke's being treated like,
Speaker 1: you know, just just this sort of like supporting character,
Speaker 1: and now it doesn't really matter, and now we can
Speaker 1: explore this Christopher thing. And I just think that that's
Speaker 1: where the mistake was made, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of put him on like the back burner,
Speaker 4: Like suddenly Christopher is getting more scenes than Luke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he and he didn't earn him. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then there's there's there's no justification for it, there's no
Speaker 1: logic to it, there's no but I mean, it is
Speaker 1: the nature of life. Sometimes things happen out of the
Speaker 1: blue and they're you know, they're shocking, and it's just
Speaker 1: maybe they could have handled it, they've done it a
Speaker 1: little in a little more artful way, I guess. I
Speaker 1: don't know. And also it just feels so ham handed
Speaker 1: and a character just sort of discarded, you know, I think.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think it was so disappointing for
Speaker 1: the fans, because nobody's really acting like themselves anymore. It's
Speaker 1: hard to recognize the show. So anyway, there you go.
Speaker 3: So okay, I don't let that sink in. I I
Speaker 3: don't disagree or agree. I'm sort of like, there definitely
Speaker 3: are things about season seven where you're like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: But then there's also things where are like, yeah, gilmore girls.
Speaker 3: So I'm sort of in the middle.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there is if you if you
Speaker 1: have a successful relationship and a show the deep the
Speaker 1: taps so deeply in to the fantasy life of a dedicated,
Speaker 1: religiously dedicated fan base. I don't know how you mess
Speaker 1: with that. I thought that that's a mistake.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that. They know how to not
Speaker 3: mess with it.
Speaker 1: If you look at look, if you look at Luke
Speaker 1: Laurelai as public service. Okay, let's just look at it
Speaker 1: like this has been offered to the world. This makes
Speaker 1: people feel good, This heals people. And I only sound
Speaker 1: too nutty about it. No, no, but fans worship this relationship.
Speaker 1: This is this is relationship goals. You know, to find
Speaker 1: a guy like Luke to be a woman like laurel
Speaker 1: I to be together in a new relationship that's that
Speaker 1: full and that passionate and that fraught with yes, anxiety
Speaker 1: that it's going to break up somehow. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: really on tender hooks but a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the beauty of it. That's the
Speaker 1: magic of it. The sparks are flying all of the time,
Speaker 1: and you idealize something so much for six seasons. That's
Speaker 1: a big chunk of people's lives.
Speaker 3: No, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Cross it away, huge misstep. Sorry, that's my two cents.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut up now.
Speaker 3: No, no, never shut up. There is a moment in
Speaker 3: the kitchen that many people are conflicted about, which I
Speaker 3: did listen to seven times. So there are many people
Speaker 3: that think. Christopher says Lauren that he calls her Lauren,
Speaker 3: and if we replay the scene, you'll see it. He
Speaker 3: actually upon really listening, he's saying lore And did anybody notice?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. But should we should we?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Can't it? Well it? Let us watch it.
Speaker 2: I can. I can pull it up and then I'll
Speaker 2: put this sound on my computer.
Speaker 3: Okay, good if you really listen in it's lore and
Speaker 3: it was so right Lauren.
Speaker 4: You may not see that.
Speaker 1: Let now, but I do.
Speaker 3: Know Lauren, one thinks, he says Lauren.
Speaker 4: He definitely says Lauren.
Speaker 3: No, he says, but it was so right. Do it again.
Speaker 4: You do it again.
Speaker 1: It was so right, Lauren.
Speaker 3: You may not see that right now, but or and
Speaker 3: you may not see that right now, I can see it.
Speaker 2: The English subtitles say too.
Speaker 3: So what do you guys give it?
Speaker 2: I give it eight out of ten. Peb and Jay Sandwiches, I.
Speaker 1: Give it six point eight.
Speaker 3: Pop Tarts, I'm giving it nine. I owe you from
Speaker 3: Lorli stickies. M.
Speaker 1: That's cute.
Speaker 2: That's cute.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I got a couple of chuckles out
Speaker 1: of it. I appreciate that. So, but I do not
Speaker 1: like witnessing characters being taken behind the shed and shot
Speaker 1: in the back of the head, as it were. And
Speaker 1: that's what we're witnessing here with two of the most iconic,
Speaker 1: delightful characters. And so I'm going to give it half
Speaker 1: a point. Oh my god, not even no, not a
Speaker 1: full point. No, no way, I can't. I can't support
Speaker 1: this level of destruction.
Speaker 3: It's just did you feel this way when you were
Speaker 3: doing it?
Speaker 1: You weren't even on set for this episode, right, I
Speaker 1: think I was just happy that I wasn't there, you know,
Speaker 1: to be around this.
Speaker 4: Were the Were the vibes on set different in this season?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, they were, they were. It was. Look, it's
Speaker 1: always good to have a job that long. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just so rare, and so I think everybody I was
Speaker 1: pleased that I had a job. But I I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it just what I'm witnessing here. Maybe maybe it
Speaker 1: was a good idea once Amy and Dan left the show,
Speaker 1: that everybody sort of packed up and left with him.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe the legacy of the show would have
Speaker 1: been a little more respected, you know, I think.
Speaker 4: It definitely is well respected.
Speaker 1: No, no, I didn't say that it wasn't. I said
Speaker 1: more respected versus I think once. I think once the
Speaker 1: original creators exit, then it should be done. It's something
Speaker 1: like this, it cannot be replicated. And I remember thinking
Speaker 1: during this episode that I almost regretted being involved in
Speaker 1: the seventh season. But it's, you know, it's difficult to
Speaker 1: walk away. Actually it's you can't walk away from the job.
Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, this show is just being
Speaker 1: destroyed before our eyes, and it's something that means the
Speaker 1: world to so many people. And now I understand what
Speaker 1: they say. They can't they just skip season seven, they
Speaker 1: don't watch it when they rewatch it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to be positive about this. Don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. I'm really trying. And there was some good
Speaker 1: things in this and there's some good writing, and it
Speaker 1: just shows how hard it is to replicate something so
Speaker 1: unique coming from you know what. You have to admit
Speaker 1: with Amy and Dan are two geniuses, right are at
Speaker 1: the top of the business, the top of their craft.
Speaker 3: And this does happen to shows a showrunner leaves and
Speaker 3: the show the bucket that does happen. You're not This
Speaker 3: isn't the only thing. I won't go as far as
Speaker 3: to say that's happening.
Speaker 1: And great writers all on this show season seven, in
Speaker 1: their own right, could have gone on to write incredibly original, fantastic,
Speaker 1: award winning shows, super talented people. But to ask somebody
Speaker 1: to like, hey, you want to replace Brando on Broadway
Speaker 1: and Streetcar named Desire and try to do what he did,
Speaker 1: go ahead, have fun, not gonna happen. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: you just go.
Speaker 4: Yeah. It's it's different because like a good example I
Speaker 4: have is like I've I mean, we love you, buddy,
Speaker 4: Like greas Anatomy just renewed for season twenty one and
Speaker 4: Shonda Rhyme's left I don't even know how many seasons ago,
Speaker 4: and like, as someone who's watched the whole time, I
Speaker 4: definitely notice a shift, but then it would always come back.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I still love the show and Amy,
Speaker 4: I know you watch too, But there's something so different
Speaker 4: about Gilmore where it makes me wonder if they got
Speaker 4: a season eight maybe like they needed to work out
Speaker 4: the kinks like without Amy and Dan in season seven?
Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? And maybe there's.
Speaker 1: No there's no way to do that. How you're going
Speaker 1: to work out the kinks? What do you mean?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know without without those two brains.
Speaker 3: Well, what Tur's point was is there are shows that
Speaker 3: replace a show runner like Shonda Rhimes and you don't
Speaker 3: miss a beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but where have you ever seen a show like
Speaker 1: this like Gilmore Walking Dead?
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 1: That? Is this unique?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: That's not a dialogue heavy show, is it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm just saying Walking Dead
Speaker 3: lost their show runner, and I thought the show was
Speaker 3: as good Aaron Sorkin left West Wing and I thought.
Speaker 1: Really show? Really they bring in Nagan destroys the show.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You felt that was a
Speaker 1: good idea?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all part of the comic book. We don't
Speaker 3: need a debate Walking Dead because Nigan's in the comic books.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is Aaron Sorkin left West Wing
Speaker 3: and it did continue to be an amazing show. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying. Look, I don't hate season seven, but I
Speaker 3: do think Tara's point is taken that Gray's Anatomy lost
Speaker 3: their amy Sherman Palladino, who is Shonda Rhymes, and the
Speaker 3: show is still amazing. So maybe, look, I'm not saying anything,
Speaker 3: but maybe there was a showrunner that could have taken over.
Speaker 3: I think the problem was it all happened unexpectedly, where
Speaker 3: Shonda Rhimes maybe worked with someone for multiple years to
Speaker 3: coach them up. I don't know, I'm talking out of school.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying Walking Dead maybe a comic book, and
Speaker 1: they stayed true to it with Nigan, but now Gilmore
Speaker 1: Girls season seven is turned into a comic book.
Speaker 3: See, I disagree with that.
Speaker 1: I did not care caricatures of once great characters. I
Speaker 1: don't recognize him and it's hard to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I loved this. I really really enjoyed this episode.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: who agree with you. I think there's a majority of
Speaker 3: people that we're hearing from that do not like season
Speaker 3: seven that until episode nineteen, they all turn around on
Speaker 3: episode nineteen, which we're not there yet. I enjoyed this
Speaker 3: episode quite quite a lot.
Speaker 1: Personally. It's hard to watch. You know, you put in
Speaker 1: six years of hard work into something and everything you
Speaker 1: have inside you to create a character, right, and then
Speaker 1: just to see it all sort of pissed on?
Speaker 3: And what do you blame? Hard It's hard to blame
Speaker 3: how what do you blame that on the showrunners leaving?
Speaker 3: Or do you blame the network because they didn't pay
Speaker 3: them what they want? I don't give them the two seasons.
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's anybody to blame. It's just something.
Speaker 1: It's just something that happens, you know, it's just something
Speaker 1: that it's just something that happened, and you sort of, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't believe it's happening, but it's, but it is.
Speaker 1: And you're not there as much, and you know, you're
Speaker 1: at the able reads and you read these stories and
Speaker 1: storylines and you're just sort of like, hmm, yeah, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: but again your powerless and you are powerless to do
Speaker 1: anything about it, right, just sort of show up and
Speaker 1: do your job, you know, well you can.
Speaker 3: I did not dislike this episode, But we'll see what
Speaker 3: happens next week. I don't know, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if maybe at episode nineteen, which is you know, feels
Speaker 3: a long way from now, maybe you'll have a turn around.
Speaker 1: But anyway, well let's now that we're going to leave
Speaker 1: it on a high note. What an enjoyable listener next week.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful, It's marvelous. It kept making me think of
Speaker 3: the marvelous missus Maisel.
Speaker 1: Really, we're not that lucky. We're not that lucky. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody, truly the best fans on the planet,
Speaker 1: and we will we will see you next time for
Speaker 1: another rollicking, hilarious, dramatic episode of Gilmore Girl Season seven,
Speaker 1: episode four, What what entitled?
Speaker 3: Amy give us Wonderfuls?
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