Speaker 1: This He's talking Cowboys Screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Bryan brought us, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Starn. Welcome everybody
Speaker 1: into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is Talking Tuesday. Always
Speaker 1: great to be joined by these guys because we still
Speaker 1: have lots to talk about. Of course, we just got
Speaker 1: through our first Sunday Songs football, so we're deep into it.
Speaker 1: But we're only twenty nine days away from free agency starting.
Speaker 1: You guys are about to go to the combine. There's
Speaker 1: a lot happening around here. It's all happening. It's not
Speaker 1: going to be quiet for long, is it. Yeah? And Indy,
Speaker 1: you know they had a lot happened last week. Pretty strange,
Speaker 1: have you, guys. I guess we've seen that before where
Speaker 1: coaches kind of say they're going to be somewhere and
Speaker 1: then they back out. That was weird. It's happened. Bill
Speaker 1: Parcels did it the year before he took this job,
Speaker 1: had had a lined up job in Tampa Bay. Didn't
Speaker 1: didn't happen, Yeah, but it had had some particular interest
Speaker 1: here with you Matt eberflew so and what was going
Speaker 1: to happen with him? He's still an India though. Would
Speaker 1: you like that where you accept a job and you
Speaker 1: think you're going to go work for Mickey Spagnola. You
Speaker 1: love Mickey, I'm all set, y'all set, and then Mickey's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm leaving and you're gonna get random person here. But
Speaker 1: you still get a chance. That probably would celebrate, But
Speaker 1: I'm not working for Mickey. Oh, you'd still get to
Speaker 1: run your own defense. Pup my fist. But maybe it's
Speaker 1: somebody who runs a contraction contract. Great point. How long
Speaker 1: that last? I mean Belichick did it when at the Jets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was gonna be Bill's successor, and then he went
Speaker 1: to New England. Yeah, the two Bills, and he'd still
Speaker 1: need to watch that. It's pretty good. You need to
Speaker 1: watch it. I think the thing that's really interesting about
Speaker 1: you can talk about what Parcels did. If you look
Speaker 1: back on that show. Belichick should have had the Giant's job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fact that Bill told him after he already had
Speaker 1: taken the Cleveland job that well, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: broadcasting here for a year and work on my health.
Speaker 1: That doesn't that doesn't bode very well. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you think you'd be working close with some of your
Speaker 1: saying hey, listen, I'm thinking about taking this year off,
Speaker 1: going to name you the guy he interested in this thing.
Speaker 1: You know he didn't do that. Belichick should have been
Speaker 1: the New York giants next head coach, not Ray Hanley.
Speaker 1: That's that's very selfish. I believe on Bill's part. That
Speaker 1: was the biggest mistake. The Giants made sure it was
Speaker 1: Hanley about Hanley, and then Hanley had one decision to
Speaker 1: make who was a quarterback and he chose the wrong way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it goes It just shows you. It just shows
Speaker 1: you though with with Parcels as good as he can be.
Speaker 1: And you watch that that, I know what, we don't
Speaker 1: want totally revisit it, but you watch that. You could
Speaker 1: see Belichick kind of looking at him Lang. Really, you know,
Speaker 1: we're sitting here and you you know you they're bringing
Speaker 1: this up, and you're you know, you don't I mean that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot, there's still a lot there between those two.
Speaker 1: I mean they act like there, but I don't believe
Speaker 1: it's his smoothed over as everybody thinks you know that
Speaker 1: sort of happened here when he left because he didn't
Speaker 1: make his decision. Well you said it would, yeah, And
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer was here and he needed a job because
Speaker 1: his contract was up. He didn't know if if Parcels
Speaker 1: would stay, if a new coach would keep him, and
Speaker 1: he went to Atlanta. Well, I think, going back to
Speaker 1: the same thing which you're talking about, it if they
Speaker 1: need a job, Mattie reflews from I assume was wanting
Speaker 1: the DC job here. Of course, Marion Ellie is still here,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if there were discussions about, hey,
Speaker 1: it's going to be one more year or two more
Speaker 1: years or what it isn't it. I don't think anybody could.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody, you know, the Joneses would know.
Speaker 1: Marinelli would know, but I don't think your Garrett would know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you can really you know that they
Speaker 1: really could put a timetable on that. I don't think
Speaker 1: that you know that. We go back to last year
Speaker 1: and the fact that he had his chance to sign
Speaker 1: an extension and he didn't. I think that's really where
Speaker 1: the damage was done. If you want to say damage,
Speaker 1: I think matt wants to run his own defense. I
Speaker 1: felt like though that you know, they said, hey, we're
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to let you, you know,
Speaker 1: interview for the San Francisco job. And once that happened,
Speaker 1: then Matt's decision for him was pretty easy. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: well then I'll just move on. I'll take my chances.
Speaker 1: I'll bet on myself. Did somebody want to hire me
Speaker 1: away from this place? Absolutely? Yeah. I think they viewed
Speaker 1: him as a young star in the league coaching wise,
Speaker 1: But you know, I think he took an opportunity that
Speaker 1: was good for him. The Cults are standing by him
Speaker 1: and keeping his new role as DC, and I think
Speaker 1: they the Cowboys brought in a guy Chris Richard that
Speaker 1: they're pretty excited about success. That's Sattle, absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: with you know, he's had some players in Seattle when
Speaker 1: you think about the Legion of Boom and all that.
Speaker 1: But I think to Brian's point, he's been saying this
Speaker 1: for a while, he could bring in some fresh ideas
Speaker 1: for the secondary. Absolutely. Would you like would you like
Speaker 1: being Matt Patricia in this scenario, Like, hey, you can go,
Speaker 1: you can go be a head coach, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep this guy. He's our favorite. Josh McDaniels. You can't
Speaker 1: get out of our grasp. Well, obviously kidding here did
Speaker 1: not happen, but I would I would like to know
Speaker 1: how much jurisdiction Patricia had with that defense with Belichick there.
Speaker 1: I mean, did he really run it himself or was
Speaker 1: he the caretaker? And those things? You just don't know.
Speaker 1: It looks like he is calling the plays. But they
Speaker 1: both got headsets on, right. Yeah. I always wondered about
Speaker 1: that because the same thing happened with Wade Phillips here,
Speaker 1: No in Brian Stewart with New England. Oh, the defensive
Speaker 1: line coach romanel Cornell, Yeah, you know, and then he
Speaker 1: got his job to be DC and it didn't work
Speaker 1: out all that well or head coach? Was it? He
Speaker 1: moved on to the head coach at Cleveland, that's right,
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out so well. Has it worked
Speaker 1: out well for anyone? So not anybody in clue, just
Speaker 1: never know how much the guy has, Like like, well,
Speaker 1: look what Patricia did in Detroit, right, he hired Paul
Speaker 1: Pasqualoni as a defensive coordinator. Well, he's gonna be the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in name only. Patricia's gonna do that, and
Speaker 1: I think head coaches, the reason you got the job
Speaker 1: was because you were a good defensive coordinator. So I
Speaker 1: think initially you ought to just keep doing what you're
Speaker 1: good at. Mike Zimmer at Minnesota, right, Mike still calls
Speaker 1: the defenses of Minnesota. I mean, I thought that was Wade, Wade, Wilson,
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips downfall here, should have kept being the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: He mentioned the name Brian's and he hired Brian Stewartricia
Speaker 1: hired him. Yeah, right, Brian Stewart started out as a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Then Wade kind of said, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do this again. I'm gonna step in. Sorry, Brian. That
Speaker 1: goes back to the whole walk around coach thing. Is
Speaker 1: it better to not have all those responsibilities that you're
Speaker 1: trying to juggle. Jason Garrett handed over play calling duties
Speaker 1: to Scott Nahan after a while because it was just,
Speaker 1: you know, let's focus on the whole football team. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a tough balancing at Doug Peterson's doing it
Speaker 1: pretty well in Philly. Yeah, he'll see how long he
Speaker 1: does it. Yeah, he's done it for two years. He
Speaker 1: just lost his OC though. Yeah, Frank rights pretty good
Speaker 1: because now who would have thought this? Eberflus now united
Speaker 1: with the OC from the Eagles. They know each other
Speaker 1: well obviously watching so much tape on each other's That
Speaker 1: could be an advantage. That could be a really good
Speaker 1: advantage for him, the fact that he's got somebody that
Speaker 1: has some familiarity with him through you know, respect. You know,
Speaker 1: I believe that. You know, every time I've ever talked
Speaker 1: to anyboy the Eagles, they respect the Cowboys coaches. They
Speaker 1: I've never heard anybody like guy's a clown or anything
Speaker 1: like that. I've never heard that. But now I think
Speaker 1: that it bodes well for Matt if he could go
Speaker 1: to a place where somebody has an idea of his work,
Speaker 1: that always helps absolutely and Indy you guys will probably
Speaker 1: see him there, So we look forward to that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and of course we know that Stephen and Jerry will
Speaker 1: definitely talk when they're But what we're gonna say, no,
Speaker 1: I was going to say it kind of now an
Speaker 1: interesting dynamic and free agency with Matt Eberflus being in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Do you lose Anthony Hitchens? That's a great point. I
Speaker 1: mean that that's where now you've got a defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: going away and was somebody that you like. It's it's solid,
Speaker 1: they've got space. Yeah, from what I've read. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: and he loves Hitchens. I mean, you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: this guy. Guys, he's he's brought up through the system
Speaker 1: to be there playing a lot and doing it. You'd
Speaker 1: like to be making a lot of money, that would
Speaker 1: be yeah, playing a lot, so okay, but passion of
Speaker 1: the game. Well, and then Anthony's Anthony's a Midwestern guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, school to Iowa there, so he understands. And
Speaker 1: you know, Matt, who better than to to convey your
Speaker 1: message in the locker room than somebody you know and
Speaker 1: trust that he could walk up, he could come into
Speaker 1: the room and say or to Matt and say, hey, listen, man,
Speaker 1: these guys aren't getting it. You need to think about this.
Speaker 1: And I can't always want to keep him too, There's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But logic states like Brian said,
Speaker 1: I mean that there's competition for you there. How many
Speaker 1: times have you guys seen that where a coach goes
Speaker 1: to a new team and then they kind of pick
Speaker 1: up some Oh Belichick did it he took If you
Speaker 1: go watch the two Bills, he took all those linebacker
Speaker 1: Pepper Johnson and ourselves did ye got here? But he
Speaker 1: got here right? Yeah? Oh? And I mean look at
Speaker 1: Marion Elli. He's brought guys that he knew about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on other teams, so exactly. Chicago and Tampa both pretty common. Well.
Speaker 1: Last week, congratulations to John Stephen Jones, who signed with Arkansas.
Speaker 1: While there, of course, his whole family showed up for
Speaker 1: the event. Stephen Jones talked and Robbie wrote an article,
Speaker 1: and I thought we could kind of spend a few
Speaker 1: first minutes on the next three months being critical in
Speaker 1: the Cowboys building a team to catch the goals. Because
Speaker 1: I don't know where did Jerry say that pillow screaming quote.
Speaker 1: I didn't I read it, never saw it or heard
Speaker 1: it anywhere. Did you see that? What was the quote?
Speaker 1: It was like you hear that mumbling, it's me screaming
Speaker 1: and my pillow mad about the Eagles winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing this. Somebody probably caught up with him during
Speaker 1: Super Bowl week. I didn't see Minneapolis, but Stampin was
Speaker 1: asked go ahead, no, I was gonna say he said
Speaker 1: it after the game. Oh he did, but didn't he
Speaker 1: or did he saying about Philadelphia just being it was
Speaker 1: reaction to him winning. Let's see where it says. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry they say pro football talk because normally normally don't
Speaker 1: Mickey's favor, No pro football talks. Okay, it's pro football
Speaker 1: focus focus. Uh. Normally they don't striten for Christmas. Normally
Speaker 1: they don't stay for the game. They leave like on
Speaker 1: Saturday to come back. They stayed for the game, Yeah,
Speaker 1: normally they haven't They all right? When it's the Cowboy,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think anybody in the organization
Speaker 1: loves that Philly's the champion right now. I think it's
Speaker 1: competition in your division. They've got to find a way
Speaker 1: to catch those guys. I Clarence Hill. Clarence Hill caught
Speaker 1: up with him. He beat making to the scoop. He said,
Speaker 1: the muffled voice you've been hearing is me screaming in
Speaker 1: my pillow over not being here and seeing Philadelphia. So
Speaker 1: that must have been prior to then. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: hell of a quote right there, And I'm that sums up.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a division rival. Now that you look
Speaker 1: at him and say, they're getting the quarterback back healthy,
Speaker 1: there got a lot of their pieces coming back. It's
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge. But Stephen Jones did say ta,
Speaker 1: and I'm quoting him here, he said, well, McLay, our
Speaker 1: coaching staff, Jerry and I really got to roll up
Speaker 1: our sleeves and improve our football team. And if we
Speaker 1: do that, we think we've got a great opportunity to
Speaker 1: compete for a super Bowl championship. End quote. So he
Speaker 1: did speak to those next three months, and when he
Speaker 1: was talking about was what we've got coming up, combine
Speaker 1: free agency draft, how are they gonna address some of
Speaker 1: the spots they need to fix. And I don't think
Speaker 1: they look at it and say we're really far away.
Speaker 1: I think they had some key injuries that they had
Speaker 1: to do a better job of covering four and that
Speaker 1: can be coaching that can add, that can be personnel
Speaker 1: adding better depth at certain spots. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they look at this and say we're miles beyond Philly.
Speaker 1: That quote sounds like it was said at a social event,
Speaker 1: knowing Jerry Jerry's quote. Yeah, Yeah, I don't know, Jed.
Speaker 1: Social events is always good, right, Yeah, I like it regardless. No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty honest, right, yeah, But I'm sure
Speaker 1: he was trying to be funny. You know, we'll focus
Speaker 1: on Stevens quote because I think that's the important one.
Speaker 1: That's the one that says, Okay, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do to make your football team better? This is
Speaker 1: the opportunity that you have, whether it's you know, like
Speaker 1: he's talking about the draft, free agency. They made a
Speaker 1: bold decision last year and really to let go of
Speaker 1: all those defensive backs. Absolutely feels like it worked out
Speaker 1: pretty well. Now how do you how do you replicate
Speaker 1: what you did there? You did it through the draft,
Speaker 1: but you know, now you have to figure out ways. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's figure out what we need to do free agency again?
Speaker 1: Is it the bottom fishing type of attack. If you're
Speaker 1: going to do the bottom fishing attack, you got to
Speaker 1: be better at it. And they haven't been better at
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. You know, if you're going
Speaker 1: to now, they've also they missed on it. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that Cedric Thornton was a it was a
Speaker 1: big money free agent guy for them. It were their philosophy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that didn't work out very well. So you know,
Speaker 1: the pro personnel guys have got to figure out Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna you gotta keep pitching. You can't, you
Speaker 1: know you can't. You guys you got did not go
Speaker 1: absolutely take and fish yet, but when you bought bottom fish.
Speaker 1: But but there's some teams. But if you look at
Speaker 1: what Philadelphia with jeff with all Sean Jeffrey one year
Speaker 1: deal initially, you know they they paid for them, No
Speaker 1: one year deal, it was a one year deal. Long
Speaker 1: was a short deal. Yeah. I'm just saying, they gave
Speaker 1: money to Cedric Thornton. Yeah, and and in long term money.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where if you're the Cowboys, Okay,
Speaker 1: what direction do you go? If I'm Will McClay, I'm
Speaker 1: now leaning on my my pro personnel guys and saying,
Speaker 1: all right, listen here, guys, let's talk about this. Let's
Speaker 1: figure out where we are when in regard to these players,
Speaker 1: you know, where do they fit? Are we going to
Speaker 1: a year from now being saying, Okay, why do we
Speaker 1: do this? I think this is an important time at
Speaker 1: the college Scouts. I think did a nice job last
Speaker 1: year with their guys. I think with the guys they
Speaker 1: went out and got, you know, need to have another
Speaker 1: one like that, need to add more pieces there. So
Speaker 1: but the pro guys, you know, again, roll up your
Speaker 1: sleeves and figure this thing out. Because if you're going
Speaker 1: to bottom fish or playing this tip, dip your toe
Speaker 1: in the pool, you better find some guys that can
Speaker 1: match with what Philly's doing. If it has to be
Speaker 1: with trades, you know, they've they've they've had some successful,
Speaker 1: you know, successful trades. I think David Irving is a
Speaker 1: successful trade if people look at his ability. Now maybe
Speaker 1: not Bryce Butler so much. That wasn't a successful trade
Speaker 1: if you look at you know, look at the end
Speaker 1: result of that they trade for Irving her now to
Speaker 1: sign him off the practice, I thought he was a trade.
Speaker 1: They signed him off Ken you know, but either way, yeah,
Speaker 1: was it a practice squad one? Yeah, so U Kansas City.
Speaker 1: But to your point, you know, McLay and and the
Speaker 1: pro Personal Department have found guys through free agency in
Speaker 1: some of that bottom fishing stuff before. I think it's
Speaker 1: these last couple of years, there have been some some
Speaker 1: things that just didn't work out, and h and like
Speaker 1: we said, Philly's had some more success that way. I
Speaker 1: there are certain spots on this team though people want
Speaker 1: them to spend money, and I don't think the secondary,
Speaker 1: for example, is one where you go out and you
Speaker 1: spend try to spend a bunch of money. You have
Speaker 1: young players that you want to grow. So if you're
Speaker 1: gonna spend money, you got to figure out spots where
Speaker 1: you got to replace guys or we absolutely need an
Speaker 1: upgrade there. I don't think the secondary is one of them.
Speaker 1: So where are you going to spend your money? You're
Speaker 1: gonna go bottom fish or if you're gonna go look
Speaker 1: for a free agent, what they're gonna do first is
Speaker 1: they're gonna look to resign DeMarcus Lawrence or franchise in
Speaker 1: one of the two. They're gonna resign Zach Martin. I
Speaker 1: think everybody's pretty confident that will eventually get done. That
Speaker 1: should open up some space. They're gonna take care of
Speaker 1: their own first, they always do, and then then it's
Speaker 1: probably that next wave of free agency. I don't see
Speaker 1: it changing from what it's been. I really don't. So
Speaker 1: if you were going to go into free agency, know
Speaker 1: what position are you looking at? That's a great question
Speaker 1: to hold until after we come back from break, and
Speaker 1: before we go to break, we do want to send
Speaker 1: our condolences to the Garrett family on the passing of
Speaker 1: Jim Garrett. All our thoughts and prayers with them. You know,
Speaker 1: great long time scout here, obviously his most famous work
Speaker 1: being Treykman's Scouting Report and Brian, you guys got a
Speaker 1: chance to work with him, So just want to send
Speaker 1: our condolences to his family right now going through a
Speaker 1: difficult time. Yeah, Jim, Jim's outstanding. You know, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: working with him the six years I was here, very
Speaker 1: passionate about what he brought every every time. You know,
Speaker 1: you could see where Jason gets a lot of his
Speaker 1: focus and drive and things like that. Jim was the
Speaker 1: same way. Really really enjoyed working with that absolutely, And
Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about him, tune into
Speaker 1: our Deep Blue which is currently on the homepage of
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com. It's the Jim Garrett story. Very fascinating,
Speaker 1: lots of insight there. And when we come back, makee
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Speaker 1: the cliffhanger we've been waiting for. Mick. Your question please,
Speaker 1: if you were going to spend money in free agency,
Speaker 1: what position do you think they need to fortify through
Speaker 1: free agency? Tell me what happens with Anthony Hitchens. Okay,
Speaker 1: as Bryant, are those guys going anywhere? Because if they are,
Speaker 1: then you've got to look at replacing them. Scandrick. Scandrick's
Speaker 1: another one. Although I feel again in Africa right now.
Speaker 1: He didn't invite make you this year. Oh well we're
Speaker 1: besties now, guy his jersey. Yeah, there you go. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to go back though, No, Brian. Brian was saying,
Speaker 1: I think secondary wise, I feel better about the young group.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you bring in another low cost guy
Speaker 1: or something, but I think your low cost guy has
Speaker 1: been wickery. Okay, you know you keeping you've already got him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Yeah, I mean he is under contract.
Speaker 1: I don't know the situation they have been wickery. They
Speaker 1: gave a draft pick for there you go. I'll get
Speaker 1: one of these right one of these days. Sorry about that, folks,
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, I think that you make a
Speaker 1: good point about the linebackers because just when I'm finding
Speaker 1: out in the draft is the depth of the linebacking
Speaker 1: position is not great. So if you were you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you had money, you would surely make
Speaker 1: a run at signing your own at Anti Hitchins. But
Speaker 1: the fact that you don't have any money, maybe you
Speaker 1: can create some money. But I feel like though that
Speaker 1: if you're going to go that way, maybe then you
Speaker 1: try and find a guy more of a backup guy,
Speaker 1: because if you're comfortable with Jalen Smith playing as the
Speaker 1: mic linebacker and then now you get to figure out Okay,
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson, we wrote about him yesterday in our evaluations.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that you have to kind of
Speaker 1: think about depth. That's really where the biggest thing is
Speaker 1: can you get a guy? And they had some success.
Speaker 1: I remember Jasper Brinkley was a guy they signed that
Speaker 1: didn't really work out. You know, have they signed some
Speaker 1: linebackers before They've tried to draft linebackers before. It really
Speaker 1: hasn't worked out, you know, with the backup variety of mind,
Speaker 1: I don't think Duran will be back for sure. He
Speaker 1: won't be back. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that it released him, that that was two years ago
Speaker 1: in my mind. I mean, that was a two years ago.
Speaker 1: They tried to capture and capture that same type of
Speaker 1: magic with him, and it just didn't work out. At
Speaker 1: the end, he was like a healthy scratch at the end.
Speaker 1: They really want to keep Hitchens. I think they recognize
Speaker 1: the importance of having depth at that spot, just because
Speaker 1: we've seen injuries. They've seen Sean get hurt. Obviously, Jalen's
Speaker 1: been trying to get healthier and healthier. It just depends on,
Speaker 1: you know, what the money value might end up being.
Speaker 1: What would your answer be to that, Mick, It would
Speaker 1: be Anthony Hitchens if I could afford it. I want
Speaker 1: what I know. I don't want to bring in somebody
Speaker 1: else's trash. Can we put out a number. I want
Speaker 1: to know what we're looking at with Anthony Hitchens? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there any estimate what's the market for a linebacker
Speaker 1: like him? It's a starting linebacker. That's that's a really
Speaker 1: good that's a good question because I always always fear.
Speaker 1: I fear the cap. I'm a I avoid the cap
Speaker 1: is what I do well. And I'm just about trying
Speaker 1: to go find me guys and somebody else figure out
Speaker 1: how to pay the guy. Is because last year when
Speaker 1: they did let all those dbs go, you knew a
Speaker 1: good estimate for Clayborne, and you knew a good price
Speaker 1: for bury Church even though you'd seen him stayed for
Speaker 1: And then you know, I think maybe some people were
Speaker 1: surprised with Terence Williams taking less money than what was anticipated.
Speaker 1: Me just wasn't offer all right, let me ask you anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Ye. So, and if you look
Speaker 1: at Barry Church, Jacksonville had just like all kinds of
Speaker 1: money to throw at whatever they needed to spend. Otherwise
Speaker 1: they were going to be below the minimum of what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to spend in a salary cap. So you
Speaker 1: never know when you run into a team that sets
Speaker 1: the market value exponentially higher than what you think it
Speaker 1: should be. And then in that case, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: here we go have a good career. Yeah, what were
Speaker 1: you going to say? I'm looking at linebackers contracts, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking on the low end of hing.
Speaker 1: Like Danny Trevathan who was with the Bears and his
Speaker 1: average was seven million a year. It's pretty good. Kevin
Speaker 1: Mentor who was with the being Paul Puzzleski, I would
Speaker 1: say in the state, Yeah, he's with Jacksonville. He's a
Speaker 1: five million dollar year player. I wonder what the does
Speaker 1: it have like signing bonus guaranteed money in there, guaranteed
Speaker 1: for UH one point one point three for post Luski.
Speaker 1: I always see his name run I can't always get
Speaker 1: that right. But Trevethan was three three five million dollars.
Speaker 1: What about Jacksonsville linebacker, the outside guy from Florida State?
Speaker 1: Is he still on his first contract? I did inside
Speaker 1: linebackers as well. He did. Look I just looked at
Speaker 1: the inside linebackers like Luke Keikley is the highest paid one.
Speaker 1: He's over he's twelvey three years, and Bobby Wagner's ten seven.
Speaker 1: Alex Ogletree from the Rams, he's ten five. Mark Barron
Speaker 1: from the Rams is nine million a year. He paid
Speaker 1: a lot, but he was the first round. He was
Speaker 1: but but he is that his second contract. No, this
Speaker 1: is he's understricted into twenty twenty one, so he must
Speaker 1: have resigned a contract. Yeah, so if you give something Bryanushing,
Speaker 1: remember Brian Cushing with the Texans, he's eight seven. He
Speaker 1: play at the end of the year, So so you
Speaker 1: can count on him getting something that's going to average
Speaker 1: five or six million a year. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about right now. Give him a four or
Speaker 1: five year deal. It's something in the twenties thirty range. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that, and you're gonna have to give him, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's ways of reducing the big total by giving
Speaker 1: him more of a guarantee. So you can say, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee this much, but total is not going to
Speaker 1: be as much as everybody else. See if you think about, okay,
Speaker 1: the guarantee percentage like I did Ogletree, you know, at
Speaker 1: ten million, that's forty five percent. Baron is at thirty
Speaker 1: three percent, Cushing's is at eight seven, His is forty percent.
Speaker 1: So I mean you're looking at somewhere. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to guarantee at least half his contract to get him here,
Speaker 1: or maybe to get him to resign. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: pretty significant, and you don't have a lot of money
Speaker 1: available once you do the two things that talked about.
Speaker 1: I have a question. I hate to ask this, but
Speaker 1: it comes up. It definitely comes up when you're thinking
Speaker 1: about giving him some more years. Is he two injury prone?
Speaker 1: Is that even a who's that? Hitchens? Hitchens two injury prone?
Speaker 1: You know? Is he just injury history? Does his injury
Speaker 1: history concern you? How about this one? That was his
Speaker 1: first injury? One't well, he's been he's been banged up
Speaker 1: throughout his career. My ankle and yeah he's he's had knee.
Speaker 1: Oh that took him out pretty much. Think about this.
Speaker 1: Take this. That's a good question. Okay, if you had
Speaker 1: to sign someone long term, well, I love, I love,
Speaker 1: I'm it's just gonna take a different direction if you
Speaker 1: go long term with what you know with the back
Speaker 1: of the of Lawrence or what the injury history of
Speaker 1: what you know with Hitchens? Which one brings you more
Speaker 1: pause if you had to sign somebody Hitchens as far
Speaker 1: as because DeMarcus Lawrence got that back taking care if
Speaker 1: he says he's been the best shape of his life
Speaker 1: last year. Nck On Wood, knock on Wood. We didn't
Speaker 1: see him miss a game with that. Yeah, he played
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I mean, I know that's not a
Speaker 1: real game, but you know, yeah, he's had two surgeries,
Speaker 1: and yeah he did have the full season. Hitchens has
Speaker 1: been more, like you said, just playing random things, because yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just playing through stuff. And I think there's probably
Speaker 1: pause Brian to any free agent linebacker because it's such
Speaker 1: a punishing position. I mean, all those guys are going
Speaker 1: to get beat up at some point. But he is
Speaker 1: mid twenties, so I think, you know, he's still got
Speaker 1: some good years later. Yeah, It's it's hard to even
Speaker 1: say that. And that's why I was very hesitant to
Speaker 1: even ask that, because, yes, his injury history is it's
Speaker 1: kind of random. It's the ankle and obviously the knee
Speaker 1: that happened in preseason, but he plays through a lot
Speaker 1: of exactly because I was going to say, then you
Speaker 1: look at some Kaylin Smith, where a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been like, yeah, his injury history is terrifying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he played all sixteen. Yeah. The thing about Hitches, he's
Speaker 1: not the biggest middle linebacker in the world. You know,
Speaker 1: he's about two thirty five Hitchens. He played sixteen games,
Speaker 1: sixteen games, sixteen games in twelve games. No, no, we
Speaker 1: were Yeah, his rookie year, he was, he got banged up.
Speaker 1: He's always played. No, no, he's always played. He's always played.
Speaker 1: That's true. That run out, Mickey, just rush. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to says, just talking about, you know, a big
Speaker 1: financial commitment in somebody. You've got always got to put
Speaker 1: stuff into account. Um, I would. I would have a
Speaker 1: financial commitment to Sean Lee. That's true. You did. If
Speaker 1: you're gonna play with a scared stick, then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have trouble signing anybody. Well, then you just answer my question.
Speaker 1: They're not worried about that. Then again, you never want
Speaker 1: to sign anybody. Yeah, well, I don't want to sign
Speaker 1: other people's junk. Yeah it's junk. How about for lords, though,
Speaker 1: you're willing to pay him more than eighty five million
Speaker 1: total value of his contract. Okay, here's the Here's what
Speaker 1: I always go back to, though, if you don't bring
Speaker 1: him back, I mean you're gonna franchise him now sure,
Speaker 1: all right, but but now all of a sudden, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's the closest thing to Award Daddy to quote Jerry
Speaker 1: his term. I'm asking. I'm asking my colleague because he
Speaker 1: wants not to sign someone else's junk, but I'm asking
Speaker 1: him him about his own. He is willing to pay
Speaker 1: more than eighty five million. I don't know that I'm
Speaker 1: willing to pay him eighty five million dollars. That's where
Speaker 1: because start, I can understand why, and I understand what
Speaker 1: happened with Olivier Vernie. Jason Pierre Paul's up there too.
Speaker 1: But but everybody, everybody points out that Vernon came off
Speaker 1: a seven and a half sack season, But if you
Speaker 1: look at his stats prior to that, he had a
Speaker 1: bunch of double digits seasons, which that's why I got
Speaker 1: eighty five million dollars, which Lawrence didn't have, right correct all.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that factors into the decision
Speaker 1: of the big number overall, which pay him seventy million.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be, that's gonna be Claiss Campbell right now,
Speaker 1: Clariss Campbell right now. Is it's sixty million his that's
Speaker 1: fifty percent of his of his total guarantees thirty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Average guarantee a year is seven and a half average
Speaker 1: years fifteen i'd get I'd pay him average a seven
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, I would do that. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he would want to do that. What do you mean,
Speaker 1: take a little less, you know than maybe what he's
Speaker 1: looking for. I don't know what he's looking for. I
Speaker 1: think I think I think they're starting with Klais Campbell's
Speaker 1: where what was Campbell's sixty men? Again, it's thirty million,
Speaker 1: and it was Jacksonville. I'm just saying, though I understand
Speaker 1: it's a free agent defensive end. So five was his
Speaker 1: five years? Uh, he's through twenty twenty one. Yes, so
Speaker 1: five years sixty million. Ye, average of it's fifty percent.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to guarantee him thirty million dollars. That's
Speaker 1: a lot. Five years, sixty million, So that's twelve million
Speaker 1: a year fifteen that's the going rate for a Bowl
Speaker 1: pass rusher fifteen would be seventy five million. Well, let's
Speaker 1: say so it must not have been five years. It
Speaker 1: must have been just four because he's through twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: so it becomes a seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Five years. Yeah, average is average per year fifteen million.
Speaker 1: It's total value the contract sixty million dollars, thirty million guaranteed,
Speaker 1: average guarantee a year seven and a half. Let's just
Speaker 1: throw that number out there. You're gonna give average guarantee, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not the average. No, he's a fifteen million dollar year player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen million over five and my math tells me that's
Speaker 1: seventy five million, nine sixty. Do the Cowboys really want
Speaker 1: to slot him at seventeen million dollars next year or
Speaker 1: would you rather get something done that's palatable for both
Speaker 1: sides and reduce that cap hit, because that's a lot
Speaker 1: of money for one player, especially when we're talking about
Speaker 1: trying to do with some extra things with this roster.
Speaker 1: Would you've thought that four years ago from Dez Bryant?
Speaker 1: What's that that type of contract did he sign? Would
Speaker 1: he get five for seventy or something? The right? Mickey?
Speaker 1: That sounds yes, that sounds right, Yeah, Kentals, that's correct. Well, again,
Speaker 1: he was, I mean the time he's he was considered
Speaker 1: top certainly top ten receiver in the NFL. And and
Speaker 1: I mentioned him earlier like I'm I'm operating under thee
Speaker 1: that he's coming back, But you know, there's speculation about
Speaker 1: could he return, could he not return? If he doesn't,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you're going fishing in free
Speaker 1: agency for a receiver, in my opinion, because I don't
Speaker 1: think you're gonna draft a guy. There's talented receivers out there,
Speaker 1: but who you're gonna draft. It's gonna step in and
Speaker 1: be your number one guy, you know. I think you'd
Speaker 1: have to go out and find a replacement veteran, and
Speaker 1: I just don't know if they they want to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, what scares you? Create another big need for yourself.
Speaker 1: So what scares you about giving DeMarcus Lawrence that kind
Speaker 1: of money? What scares you? Yeah? I think maybe the
Speaker 1: one year inconsistency. No, I don't know if it's inconsistency.
Speaker 1: I think it's just one year. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe injury has robbed him some opportunity to be the
Speaker 1: type of player we saw last year. It certainly has
Speaker 1: the back. You know, they had the one year with
Speaker 1: eight sacks, right right, eight sacks two years ago. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that. If you're paying, if you're at the end.
Speaker 1: He had back problems that needed, yeah, be a repair. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's surgery on his back, shoulder, two stray januaries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been through some stuff, no doubt about it. But again,
Speaker 1: but again, it's like, this is the best pass rusher
Speaker 1: you've had, and it's probably since DeMarcus Ware and his
Speaker 1: first year got shortened because of the fractured fifth meta tarsal. Right,
Speaker 1: you got miss the first nine games and then he
Speaker 1: missed last year a lot with suspension. I know what
Speaker 1: you're saying, Bright, it's a lot of money. But I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I'm okay if you got a guy like that, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with I'm just trying to say, you know,
Speaker 1: you look like say, I'm looking at Dez Bryant's contract
Speaker 1: right now, you know, and I'm thinking, you know, several
Speaker 1: years ago you made that kind of commitment. Are you
Speaker 1: worried about making commitments to these guys that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day we're talking about three years from now, Well,
Speaker 1: why why are we on that commitment? Are you? Are you?
Speaker 1: And you're it goes. Do you think the Giants are
Speaker 1: happy with Vernon's production. I don't think so. I mean either,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, And I think that's that's what
Speaker 1: That's what scares see, Mickey, You brought up Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: had has had he had like an eleven sack. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's had back to back seasons. But you're right, if
Speaker 1: you don't draft, or you don't draft, you don't sign
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, the draft is not going to
Speaker 1: afford you a guy like that. No, it's not, it's not,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I'm just I'm just talking abot what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing so far. Unless you're gonna go up and
Speaker 1: get Nick Chubb or the not Nick Chubb, but you
Speaker 1: get Chubb from yeah, from North Carolina State. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a defensive end. There's Chubb that's a running back,
Speaker 1: and there's Chubb that's a defensive end. Great last name,
Speaker 1: and this, yeah it is. And this is why the
Speaker 1: philosophy is. This is why the philosophy is is sound.
Speaker 1: That's funny, thank you, good dad joke. That's why they
Speaker 1: prefer to sign their own guys to these big money
Speaker 1: deals because at least they feel like they have a
Speaker 1: bank of knowledge on that player that other people don't have.
Speaker 1: Instead of going out and spending eighty million bucks on
Speaker 1: a guy that, hey, they've watched him on tape, they
Speaker 1: don't really know him. That well, So that's I mean,
Speaker 1: does it always work. No, But that's why they go
Speaker 1: with that flock. What's going to happen with them? They're
Speaker 1: gonna franchise him, and because I think his agent Cantor
Speaker 1: I think his name is um probably wants to find
Speaker 1: out get a better feel for what the market value sure,
Speaker 1: and so you would have an opportunity and free agency
Speaker 1: to to check that out to see what's he worth?
Speaker 1: What what should I hold out for on a long
Speaker 1: term deal. Otherwise it's like, okay, one year, seventeen point
Speaker 1: four million. I think I think they're gonna I do
Speaker 1: think they're looking at Klai's Campbell steal. I just do.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of where. Okay, Well, they both
Speaker 1: were kind of back and forth this year on on sacks.
Speaker 1: You know, okay, what did he get Cowboys franchise Anthony
Speaker 1: Spencer two years in a row, I think for at
Speaker 1: the time for like twelve million bucks. Boy he signed
Speaker 1: that thing like the next day. Both years, did you
Speaker 1: know what? Yea? Which free cash right away? Of the Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Which extension has been the best? Tyron Smith does Bryant Travis, Frederick,
Speaker 1: Shawn Lee, Tyron Crawford, Jason Witten, Orlando Scandrick pull Beasley.
Speaker 1: Which one, which one's been the best? Jason Witten, Travis,
Speaker 1: Frederick Bailey, No debts, right, Dan Bailey's in there, thank you. Ken.
Speaker 1: I would say Tyron Smith just because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of years that he's He's signed a ten year deal
Speaker 1: a few years ago. There's been a lot of Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl years there. Frederick's been really solid, but it's only
Speaker 1: been a couple of years. Shaun Lee is pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what you're saying, though, is what I'm I guess
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you guys is the extension for
Speaker 1: your own hasn't been bad for this team, right, And
Speaker 1: that's the Yeah, that's the philosophy. We know these guys
Speaker 1: better than we would somebody on the market that okay,
Speaker 1: yeah he's good, but do we really know about him?
Speaker 1: And most of the time, I think that's sound logic,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you mentioned Dez and now we're
Speaker 1: talking about future here, but it's not always the imagine
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys had extended Morris Clayborne and paid that
Speaker 1: kind of money and what they were, well, they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I know that, but you had had a
Speaker 1: really solid years. Yeah. See, that's that's the thing about it.
Speaker 1: You know, you you look at this thing and you know,
Speaker 1: you're just you're just you're kind of a sign of
Speaker 1: your own because if I've said this before, if Lawrence hits,
Speaker 1: Hitchens hits and David Irvin hits on the market, somebody signs.
Speaker 1: Those guys are getting signed. I mean, those guys are
Speaker 1: getting money. So signing your own signing them, it's like
Speaker 1: a good like a good year in free agency. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and seeing Unfortunately people don't look at it that way. No,
Speaker 1: but the bottom fishing has killed this team these last
Speaker 1: two years. They have, Yeah, the debt. To Mickey's point,
Speaker 1: he always talks about depth, where the Eagles got away
Speaker 1: with it. They had a fifth round tackle play. You
Speaker 1: had a third round tackle that wasn't terrible for you
Speaker 1: until October last year. You know, you had that guy
Speaker 1: that was able to kind of step in at play
Speaker 1: for Tyrant Smith until he had an awful game in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: And now we're all throwing him out with the bathwater.
Speaker 1: And he's got one more year left. Yeah, I need
Speaker 1: to work with him at tackle. I keep working with him,
Speaker 1: all right. Well, yes, get back to more of what
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Speaker 1: aggie on set Phillips. Yeah, I got throughout a bunch
Speaker 1: of Hey, give us some pole ideas for the offseason.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of good ones from guys. You
Speaker 1: unn No, I'm just you know, this is the fans show, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you're letting the people speak their show. Brian gave us
Speaker 1: a good one. Thank you to Brian. Brian always if
Speaker 1: he agrees with them post results, Yes, we'll find out
Speaker 1: very quick. Okay. Here he came up with this idea
Speaker 1: about the defense. I'm switching to offense. Where will the
Speaker 1: offense be ranked in twenty eighteen, because there's so much
Speaker 1: consternation about this unit. Can they bounce back to where
Speaker 1: they were a year ago? Four options one through five,
Speaker 1: six through ten, eleven through twenty or twenty one to
Speaker 1: thirty two? Anybody got a thought? I will pick where
Speaker 1: they left off after eight games last year, and it
Speaker 1: was number five. I vote it done. This poll actually
Speaker 1: you did, Brian and I voted for the first one
Speaker 1: one through five. One through five. Wow, now we bastely absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on at left guard. You know
Speaker 1: what to add another runner if you want to maybe
Speaker 1: add another receiver somewhere, start as tight ends coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe it. Yeah, you're buying that day. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that does not come in first, but not not too
Speaker 1: far away. Six through ten, forty nine percent of the
Speaker 1: fans believe they'll be a top ten offense again next season,
Speaker 1: followed by twenty seven percent one through five. So hey,
Speaker 1: that's some optimism from the fan base. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: that in the last six weeks. What if what if
Speaker 1: they get rid of Dez Bryant? It's knowledgeable. What if
Speaker 1: they do well, that's what I said last segment. You
Speaker 1: got to find a receiver. They can. It's going to
Speaker 1: take us place. No, no, no, no no, If they would
Speaker 1: would would your opinion change if they move on from
Speaker 1: Dez Bran? I'm sorry, maybe I should rephrase the question. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't have to see what they did to replace them,
Speaker 1: and if you look at they don't. If you look
Speaker 1: at the projected list of free agent wide receivers don't
Speaker 1: like it. None of them had better numbers than Diz.
Speaker 1: That's true, none of them. None of them. Yea, And
Speaker 1: we don't know how many of those guys will get
Speaker 1: resigned between now in March fourteen. Brian, I know there's
Speaker 1: some receivers you like. Oh, there's some in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean there is an adjustment for rookies coming in.
Speaker 1: I mean that's there's a perfect example. That is David
Speaker 1: Hellman's albatross. He wears that one around his neck. He
Speaker 1: loved treadwall oh coming out. Oh yeah, David is really
Speaker 1: wise guy. I mean just check his Instagram. Well, sometimes
Speaker 1: with wide receivers it takes a year or two, right,
Speaker 1: but if you're for him, it's taking more than two.
Speaker 1: If you're saying, okay, we're moving on and this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna come in and catch seventy passes for nine
Speaker 1: hundred yards and ten touchdowns, that's asking a lot. That's
Speaker 1: asking for a rookie. It is absolutely it is. Hey,
Speaker 1: I did go back and look at the last five
Speaker 1: years where this offense has been ranked scoring and yardage.
Speaker 1: I didn't specify in the poll, but three of the
Speaker 1: last five years they've been a top five scoring offense.
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen, twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, they were fifth in
Speaker 1: scoring right around mid twenties, close to thirty points a game.
Speaker 1: The twenty fifteen year, they dropped to thirty first, seventeen
Speaker 1: point points a game. Didn't have a quarterback that could
Speaker 1: play consistently and not in a non explosive running game.
Speaker 1: Zeke comes in, Dat comes in. That changes. Last year
Speaker 1: they dipped to fourteenth twenty two point one points per game,
Speaker 1: And really what killed him was that three game stretch
Speaker 1: when Zeke went out. They didn't get to ten points,
Speaker 1: so that that was it. They didn't adjust well, and
Speaker 1: that's really where the season was. At the half white point,
Speaker 1: they were averaging twenty eight points a game. Yeah, Tarl Prior,
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace, Sammy Watkins, Eric Decker, Tay Enman, Taylor, Gabriel,
Speaker 1: Kamar Aiken, Kindall Wright. They my beating heart. How are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kent. These are buddy with us. Those are three.
Speaker 1: Those are guys that are contracts, that free agents that
Speaker 1: would be your guys for this thing. Prior, Wallace, Watkins, Decker, Edman, Gabriel, Aiken, Wright, Slater,
Speaker 1: Andrea Robbins Albert Wilson, that's not good. Yeah. Well, here's
Speaker 1: the thing though, I mean, that's where you need to
Speaker 1: draft if you if you're going to make a move,
Speaker 1: you better draft it is a run first offense. Though
Speaker 1: you know, you get Zeke for sixteen games, he's the
Speaker 1: foundation of it, but you still got to have guys
Speaker 1: that can get open and convert their downs and do
Speaker 1: all that stuff and have a connection with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: We'll just catch the ball. That's easy. Two years ago,
Speaker 1: they were pretty good at it. Last year not so much.
Speaker 1: They were one of the best teams in the league
Speaker 1: when it came to catch drop a ratio. So can
Speaker 1: somebody unlock that mystery? Oh line, baby, I think that
Speaker 1: we've we've talked about the on linement. They've also had.
Speaker 1: They also had problems getting open though they did, they
Speaker 1: had they had problems. Let's not let's not just closs
Speaker 1: over that. So okay on Jay Law get yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, and you know what, that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's fair. You know that, you know if you're hey,
Speaker 1: I think everybody is on watch. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with that. I really don't. There's not
Speaker 1: one thing about this offense that's to blame for everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, you make a great point make about the
Speaker 1: offensive line, but there's elp. I agree with them about that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's other factors. Oh, why did it work for
Speaker 1: eight games? Suddenly they decided let's not be Dack friendly?
Speaker 1: It wasn't perfect for eight games average, They had eight
Speaker 1: points a game, and they scored at least twenty eight
Speaker 1: games three through eight. We get a call, Yeah, show
Speaker 1: next week. Maybe an old lineman, What old lineman would
Speaker 1: you like to ask that question too? What? Why did
Speaker 1: it work for eight games? Because they were healthy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they were on the field. I wonder if they
Speaker 1: would have a different opinion on why it worked? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or why? Yeah? Why? Yeah? You know it's it's Iron
Speaker 1: was out a few games off here, and I know
Speaker 1: Chas Green was better than anyway. The Atlanta game, for
Speaker 1: some reason, took this season in a bad direction for
Speaker 1: three weeks, and I think it gave everybody a blueprint
Speaker 1: out there that do not, I'm cringing, do not let
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott beat you. Don't let him outside the pocket.
Speaker 1: Do whatever you have to do to make sure he
Speaker 1: doesn't beat you without Zeke there we can take chances.
Speaker 1: And I think teams did that because they didn't fear
Speaker 1: that running game. There was no one going to run
Speaker 1: eighty yards for a touchdown or fifteen yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Rod Smith take an eighty yard pack? Yeah, I know, Okay, one,
Speaker 1: there's one one in eight games. Rod Smith isn't a
Speaker 1: free agent, right, you got another Jack he's back, Alfred is. Well,
Speaker 1: let's see if we can find some answers, because I
Speaker 1: think we asked that question a lot, and you know,
Speaker 1: we've had different theories. Mike Marshall throughout a theory and
Speaker 1: we've all just thrown out our own thoughts, but I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear it from them. Yeah. I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll find it out, but yes, very very conclusive stuff here.
Speaker 1: So you were saying though that everybody thinks it's six
Speaker 1: to ten, Yeah, you would take that. I think was
Speaker 1: that in scoring or just average yard? I didn't specify,
Speaker 1: just said, but to me, how many points you're scoring,
Speaker 1: that's more important to me that I'm a yard you
Speaker 1: pile up. Yeah, defensively, they'll tell you they don't care
Speaker 1: about the yards. They care about how much they give up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got put in some bad spots with some pick
Speaker 1: sixes they got thrown onto their record last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three of them. Right, I'll tell you what. You look
Speaker 1: at what they did in twenty sixteen offensively, twenty six
Speaker 1: point three per game, almost four hundred yards per game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should figure that twenty six point three over fifteen games,
Speaker 1: since they didn't really play the last game when they
Speaker 1: only scored what did they score six six points? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they were close to twenty seven something, almost twenty
Speaker 1: eight as they were scoring the first eight games of
Speaker 1: last season. I will I will spot you that that
Speaker 1: when Zeke they got through that Chiefs game, they looked
Speaker 1: like a dominant offense. That might have been their best
Speaker 1: win all year. Yeah, I mean the only games they lost, Okay,
Speaker 1: throw out Denver. They scored thirty points in both of
Speaker 1: the games they lost the other two. They were awful Chargers,
Speaker 1: weren't they. Yeah? Oh yeah, that was kind of the
Speaker 1: game that trying to turn things around for the defense.
Speaker 1: I think in that three game stretch they got outscored
Speaker 1: ninety two to twenty two. That's fun. That's bad after
Speaker 1: averaging twenty eight points a game. Yeah, strange, lady, This NFL. No,
Speaker 1: sure is Rob. It's good to have the NFL's defending
Speaker 1: rushing champ on the field. Well, we have him on
Speaker 1: the field. But you know, you're not You're not wrong.
Speaker 1: But fans and I don't blame them for they kind
Speaker 1: of roll their eyes at that now because they watch
Speaker 1: what Philly did. What did Philly do? They won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl without their MVP quarterback, so many games that
Speaker 1: they have to win without him six x and they
Speaker 1: hit all all their free agents too. Yeah, they did
Speaker 1: that too. I'm not Steven Piot was pretty dope. They
Speaker 1: didn't win six all right. I think he was five?
Speaker 1: Was he five and one and they going through the playoff?
Speaker 1: I think they were. I think he was out the
Speaker 1: Rams game. I thought it was gonna give me the
Speaker 1: date of the Rams last three games of the season,
Speaker 1: now he missed. They He lost one game. That's all
Speaker 1: he lost. He only lost one game, I lose to
Speaker 1: the Rams or they know he came in and saved that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they saved the Rams game. But he only he lost
Speaker 1: one game. The only game they lost was the Dallas Boys.
Speaker 1: The Dallas game, yeah, which they punted the super shady
Speaker 1: tweet that someone said like Nick Foless, weren't one more
Speaker 1: playoff games in the past two months than the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have since nineteen ninety five. Very nice, You guys us
Speaker 1: such a shade, much shade. It's easy to pile on
Speaker 1: it's true, but it's true. Yeah Bowls, Yeah, count me
Speaker 1: in as a guy. Didn't think he would get it done.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was not a Nick Foles fan. I
Speaker 1: figured sating out in the playoffs. Though we're losing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're losing your starting quarterback. You've lost here and Sproils.
Speaker 1: You've lost Jordan Hicks, he lost when they lost Jason Peters,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, they're not even gonna have
Speaker 1: a chance with Carson Wentz the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: And then they did that, lose Carson Wentz. I know
Speaker 1: it's just agonizing. You gotta give him credit, but you
Speaker 1: got you also, if you're if you're a fan, you're
Speaker 1: pissed off. You also have to give credit for Dallas
Speaker 1: for what they did two years ago. Losing what they lost.
Speaker 1: It didn't it didn't go their way this year. That's
Speaker 1: why they got to go back to the lay seventeen games.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott played seventeen games, I know, and he had
Speaker 1: a hell of a year. But they got to get
Speaker 1: back to the drawing board and figure out how to
Speaker 1: maximize it. You know. When they were very fortunate to
Speaker 1: win their first playoff game, by the way, that is true,
Speaker 1: balls on the two yard line. That play call there,
Speaker 1: Steve Sarkissian, and you scored fifteen points. But did you
Speaker 1: think that game that they held they held at lant
Speaker 1: in check? I got you. That's that's that was more
Speaker 1: impressive to me. And wasn't one of the passes that
Speaker 1: led to their only touch down like bounced off someone's knee.
Speaker 1: They got nick, they got the trophy. I understand they
Speaker 1: have resided in Philadelphia. I got it. Lombardi is resting
Speaker 1: in God Street right now. Somebody said that the formation
Speaker 1: they did, that Philly special or whatever, it's actually an
Speaker 1: illegal formation. Chris, Yeah, Mike White Pereira came out and
Speaker 1: said it was. I saw. I went back and look, Chris,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you the first person that notified me that,
Speaker 1: Christie Scales. Christie Scales came up to me, goes, you
Speaker 1: got the super Bowl in that box of yours yet?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, ma'am. I mean I looked at No,
Speaker 1: it's not there yet. She goes, legal formation, trust me, illegal.
Speaker 1: This is two weeks. This is like after the game.
Speaker 1: This is like the Monday after the game. She's going,
Speaker 1: that's an illegal formation. Are you talking about the superpoint conversion?
Speaker 1: About the past? Yeah, the touchdowndown, the fact that Jeffrey
Speaker 1: was off the receiver put on the line of hiding.
Speaker 1: Was the tackle was uncovered? I read somewhere that they
Speaker 1: check with the official before the play to make sure
Speaker 1: that they're lying. They said Jeffrey did, but Christie Scales
Speaker 1: was the first one, and I know we're showing it
Speaker 1: right now on our screen. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if he checked or not. But if he checked, then
Speaker 1: the same official that didn't call it here it is
Speaker 1: right there. You can see it anyway. You can see
Speaker 1: it right there. See see the depth of the of
Speaker 1: up at the top. That guy's got to be on
Speaker 1: the scrimmage. Yeah, the tackle is uncovered in that situation,
Speaker 1: he's in man line of scrimmage. So that right there
Speaker 1: is an illegal formation. Christie Scales exactly came up to
Speaker 1: me and says, that's a legal formation. Well, at least
Speaker 1: with guys. We know it was a catch. We do
Speaker 1: a cat. It was a catchy comment, zach Ertz. You
Speaker 1: guys just catching it all. Yes, if it's a catch
Speaker 1: for them, it's a catch for eighty eight. That's that's
Speaker 1: That was a prime example of why you should call
Speaker 1: timeout on defense. When they saw that happened, they we're
Speaker 1: gonna do the razorback or whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 1: hike and you saw where the quarterback was. Should call timeout?
Speaker 1: Are you questioning the hoodie right now? Yeah? Because then
Speaker 1: you did win a Super Bowl goal line defense. Though
Speaker 1: one time they're there, their linebackers had if you run
Speaker 1: the plate, the linebackers had no clue for that was
Speaker 1: going on. They weren't prepared for that one. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I think I think we should be invited to the
Speaker 1: league meetings, do you think, Mick? Yeah, we know what
Speaker 1: it catches. Y'all come join me and kid, we'll have
Speaker 1: some company. You guys can sit in on them and
Speaker 1: you raise your hand report backs. Is what I think
Speaker 1: a catch should be. Yeah. Sure it will be interesting
Speaker 1: to Steve and Jones you talk about that, because Rob
Speaker 1: and I will be at the combine. Stephen Jones competition committee.
Speaker 1: We always talked to him the Tuesday of when they're
Speaker 1: there meeting. Yeah, I'm gonna ask him that might be
Speaker 1: the first question right out of the blocks. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you figured out what a catch is yet? Can you
Speaker 1: call timeouts on defense for Mick? Who is that? By
Speaker 1: the way, who is that? Kent's was Sean from New York?
Speaker 1: Sean San? Oh, here we go, there we go. We
Speaker 1: were all standing right there. There's one angle of that.
Speaker 1: Does this being the blue jatchet. I'm like to Dave
Speaker 1: in a bad outfit and about to choke Hillman at
Speaker 1: that book. This is the angle that's that's hard to
Speaker 1: watch because it's a football. His arm is kind of
Speaker 1: under the ball at this point. It is a kind
Speaker 1: of total football move to get to the goal line.
Speaker 1: That's guys. I don't know if you saw on Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot com that cow buzz that showed a man
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma's state I think still water. Yeah it was death. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a different guy, this guy who decided to
Speaker 1: put the picture of the catch painted on the back
Speaker 1: of his truck. To what Ken just showed you is,
Speaker 1: were you convinced watching that that his arm wasn't under
Speaker 1: the ball when the ball popped up, Like, did the
Speaker 1: ball really touch the ground standing ten feet from it? Nope.
Speaker 1: The official standing eight feet in for me agreed. It's
Speaker 1: like that license plate death. There you go, right there,
Speaker 1: there you go, eighty eight. Got at baby, he's down.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Well, we have one more show for
Speaker 1: you guys before the combine, right, we do next week.
Speaker 1: You are here, yes, guys are back in the building
Speaker 1: ready to go. Before you head up to Indian, say
Speaker 1: hi to Eberflues for us, we will rest the crew.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining today. Thank you
Speaker 1: Ken Brian. It's all that's pretty good work there. Whoever
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