Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is Aubrey O Day and you're listening
Speaker 1: to TJ and Amy presents Aubrey o'da v covering the
Speaker 1: Diddy Trial Today. I have on my savesy member of
Speaker 1: d K. I can't even believe it. Ebanie and Ivory
Speaker 1: is what they used to call us on the show
Speaker 1: de Woods. How are you, Heyara, Shit, we've been through
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Huh oh yeah, oh yeah, we're got.
Speaker 1: Hold on. Okay, So let's get down to the trial
Speaker 1: stuff first and just get it out of the way.
Speaker 1: I obviously have to follow literally transcripted transcripts all day long,
Speaker 1: so I'm like overwhelmed with the amount of information that
Speaker 1: I know. But as you, we both know, we knew
Speaker 1: what was going on then, we knew what we saw,
Speaker 1: we knew what the behavior was. We're learning all the
Speaker 1: details in even more detail at this point. But from
Speaker 1: what you and I'm assuming, I know you keep busy,
Speaker 1: and I know you stay on the artistic side and
Speaker 1: the creative side, so I can't imagine that your head
Speaker 1: is fully into every little moment of this at all.
Speaker 1: But just from what you've been able to observe, how
Speaker 1: do you feel it's going and what is your instinct
Speaker 1: when it comes to whether he's going to get off
Speaker 1: or not. You know, prosecution is resting on Monday. Defense
Speaker 1: is claiming they might just rest on Monday as well,
Speaker 1: or maybe they'll give it a day and rest on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: But they're only putting up about a day or two
Speaker 1: for his defense. Will you feel about that, and what
Speaker 1: are the people around you feeling? And how are you
Speaker 1: feeling about which way it's going to go?
Speaker 3: Hey, Aurey, it's so nice to talk to you and
Speaker 3: see your face this throughout throughout this journey, this part
Speaker 3: of the journey.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I have not been following the trial.
Speaker 2: I have tried, actually tried my.
Speaker 3: Best to not follow it, just for mental health sake
Speaker 3: and spiritual, you know, protection sake. It's really it's really triggering.
Speaker 3: It's really you know, stomach turning. And even the people
Speaker 3: around me, I think they have been taking care to
Speaker 3: not bring it up to me because they.
Speaker 2: Know how it would probably hearing.
Speaker 3: The news and hearing the details. And I think even
Speaker 3: like you know, parents and loved ones, they may even
Speaker 3: feel a sense of guilt because in the time being,
Speaker 3: nobody knew what we were really dealing with and what
Speaker 3: atmosphere we were really in. And I think what people
Speaker 3: wanted was for us to take advantage of this opportunity.
Speaker 3: Just everybody, I'm just talking about the opportunity and the
Speaker 3: chance and the dream.
Speaker 2: And it was like we didn't even get questions.
Speaker 1: Like are you safe exactly? Okay? That was that wasn't
Speaker 1: in anyone's conversation. It was like, oh my god, what
Speaker 1: does it feel to be around him? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're the luckiest person. Oh my god, you made it.
Speaker 1: Like when all the girls that didn't make it that
Speaker 1: were always a little salty along the way whenever we'd
Speaker 1: run into them, like they look at us, like we're
Speaker 1: so lucky, And as time moved forward, we would always
Speaker 1: be like yeah, yeah, and then get back together like good,
Speaker 1: you're kind of lucky you didn't make it, b okay.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is like, you know, people
Speaker 3: telling us how to how to be smart about the situation.
Speaker 2: You got to be business minded, or there was another you.
Speaker 3: Know take on it where people would basically blame us
Speaker 3: for the predicament that we were in like, well, it
Speaker 3: comes with the territory.
Speaker 2: I mean you knew what you signed up for.
Speaker 3: I mean you would, You're willing to do whatever to
Speaker 3: get you know aim, you were willing.
Speaker 2: To do what you need to do.
Speaker 3: You know you can get, you.
Speaker 2: Know, whatever you wanted.
Speaker 1: You and I represent two very different where are very
Speaker 1: different women from different places, grown up different ways. Did
Speaker 1: you ever know any of the things that were going on?
Speaker 1: Is that ever anything you wanted and what you knew
Speaker 1: you needed to do in order to get there? I'm
Speaker 1: assuming the answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I mean same with me, but one of our band
Speaker 1: members we learned otherwise about. But I know for you
Speaker 1: as your roommate the entire time, that's not the energy
Speaker 1: you were on and what I saw you thinking it
Speaker 1: took was sitting in the closet. I remember you would
Speaker 1: go huddle up in the closet and put on your
Speaker 1: beat pad or your whatever machine you have back then,
Speaker 1: and you'd be making tracks and writing tracks and making
Speaker 1: music and just always I remember that, claud You remember
Speaker 1: the closet you would go into not good acoustics. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's not where we me and you were at
Speaker 1: me you weren't having those types of conversations. Unfortunately, as
Speaker 1: you you know told everyone on HBO, those conversations did
Speaker 1: start to enter the chat in our bedroom, like when
Speaker 1: we would share our bedroom during you know, just so
Speaker 1: everyone's clear we shared bedrooms because clearly did. He doesn't
Speaker 1: really like to share his money a whole lot. And
Speaker 1: so when they put us up, they would put everybody
Speaker 1: in rooms together so they could save money. And it
Speaker 1: was always Drea and Shannon, and it was always Dee
Speaker 1: Woods and I and then Don was always.
Speaker 3: By herself, right, well start remember it started out with
Speaker 3: us kind of like rotating the single room like yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, taking terms, but then it just ended up
Speaker 3: being Don always taking the single room by herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, conveniently. So speaking of Don, she took the stand,
Speaker 1: I reported she showed up in a three piece suit, vest,
Speaker 1: full blown blazer, diamonds on the collar, something a lawyer,
Speaker 1: the lawyer as good as hers. What absolutely advise isn't
Speaker 1: the look you know, Cassie's she's worth millions, and she
Speaker 1: still played it low key on the stand. She could
Speaker 1: have come from Edgeite and Versace. You're not really the
Speaker 1: kind of common knowledge in law just growing up with
Speaker 1: lawyers is you don't wear name brands when you're on
Speaker 1: the stand testifying as a victim. You don't style yourself,
Speaker 1: you don't present yourself. You just stay hump. Everything is
Speaker 1: a visual and an optic in a courtroom, like Cassie's
Speaker 1: pregnant belly, but they didn't want anyone to see, like
Speaker 1: Puff's gray hair. Everything is optics, like the eight Pack
Speaker 1: of White Women, which was Diddy's attorney's big statement to
Speaker 1: the media when it first came out. That's what he's
Speaker 1: up against. Optics or everything in a courtroom. And I
Speaker 1: saw her go in, I immediately was like, oh no.
Speaker 1: And then because I'm familiar with her character, I was
Speaker 1: assuming I was. I honestly was hoping that it would
Speaker 1: convince me and that I could feel like some relief,
Speaker 1: feel some relief about some of the worst thoughts that
Speaker 1: I've had that she's possibly capable of. And then as
Speaker 1: she started going on the stand, and it was right
Speaker 1: after Cassie, directly after, like, that's a pretty big seat
Speaker 1: in a trial, and in that seat in one story,
Speaker 1: they caught her in a series of depositions, telling a
Speaker 1: story seven different ways. So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: read about any of that. It was reported widely everywhere
Speaker 1: that she had inconsistent testimony and kind of came off
Speaker 1: in court is not credible. Did you hear about that?
Speaker 3: I did not hear about her credibility and how she
Speaker 3: came off. I just knew that she took the stand
Speaker 3: on a particular day, And you know, I was just
Speaker 3: I was getting a lot of text messages, not direct
Speaker 3: text messages, but just people saying, thinking of you, You're
Speaker 3: so strong, are you good?
Speaker 2: You know, That's all I would getting.
Speaker 3: So I knew something must be happening because I was
Speaker 3: getting those kind of messages.
Speaker 1: Okay, So when her civil case came out, it had
Speaker 1: all kinds of things in there, but I saw a
Speaker 1: lot of the things that kind of were on making
Speaker 1: the band episodes. We weren't able to We didn't eat
Speaker 1: get food regularly. She had lost so much weight, she
Speaker 1: was unhealthy, She was forced to stay up long hours,
Speaker 1: she wasn't paid for her music. And then she feels
Speaker 1: that during a fitting that he was touching on her
Speaker 1: in a sexual way as they were trying to fit
Speaker 1: the outfits of her body. Those were the basis kind
Speaker 1: of of what I understood the lawsuit to be suing for,
Speaker 1: which are things all of us sperience. I never felt
Speaker 1: when he would come into my fittings and adjust my costumes.
Speaker 1: I never felt he was doing it in a sexual way.
Speaker 1: So I can't speak for me personally. I never felt it.
Speaker 1: I felt like he was coming in doing his regular
Speaker 1: I want those titties up, I want to ask out
Speaker 1: cut those shorter, I want the belly to show like
Speaker 1: he wanted us to be sexy girl group girls. But
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like he was getting He wasn't hard
Speaker 1: while he was doing it. It wasn't It didn't feel
Speaker 1: like a sexual exchange to me. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you experienced something like that, did you. I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel the sexual exchange, or maybe I just was,
Speaker 3: you know, oblivious to that because we were mad young
Speaker 3: and so it's like things that don't even know it
Speaker 3: was normal. Yeah, it was very boss is. You don't
Speaker 3: think somebody like him or your boss is going to
Speaker 3: be talk to me. But what I did experience was,
Speaker 3: like you said, was the demeaning, dehumanizing, like gentrification. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just really feeling like I'm just like a piece of meat.
Speaker 2: Just feeling like I'm.
Speaker 3: Being tossed to and fro and you no consideration of like.
Speaker 2: Our humanity and and just.
Speaker 3: Really taking care of like the people who are on.
Speaker 2: We're also to be on the same team.
Speaker 3: And he really treated us like we were Like he
Speaker 3: said to us several different times, you are are not
Speaker 3: worth the shit on the bottom of my shoes. I
Speaker 3: remember that specifically, that comment from you want to know.
Speaker 1: What I keep hearing in testimony or in voice messages
Speaker 1: baby girl, baby girl. That has me Every time I
Speaker 1: hear it, I get chills, because baby girl, what do
Speaker 1: you think this is? Well? What the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: What is that? Oh? So your baby girl, let me
Speaker 1: get let me tell you this right now though this
Speaker 1: is what the fuck's now? The baby girl line is
Speaker 1: almost like bitch, yeah, like it's it's so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because it does. It doesn't sound as horrible as bitch.
Speaker 1: But that baby girl stits stuck out to me when
Speaker 1: I kept hearing it with the girlfriends, because I was like,
Speaker 1: he said that to us all the time, and it
Speaker 1: was right before he was about to let us know
Speaker 1: what direction we needed to be coerced into.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when he wanted us to call him daddy,
Speaker 3: and he told us to call him daddy.
Speaker 1: I think so, I even remember King and a few
Speaker 1: other things I remember. I remember we went somewhere in Miami,
Speaker 1: maybe like an NBA All Star weekend or something, and
Speaker 1: there were girls in the limo with us, and we
Speaker 1: were laughing about like Puff's taste and who he had
Speaker 1: and I was, and then he got pissy, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he like popped off pretty hard with all of that
Speaker 1: the King stuff, talking about he can ride on the
Speaker 1: backs of humans in Dubai and he can order, you know,
Speaker 1: like it got very It turned into I'm King and
Speaker 1: I could make anything happen, so watchers like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: I can't do. It is the way that the rant
Speaker 1: went on. Yes, So when I hear them now calling
Speaker 1: them wild King Knights, I was like, oh, that's you know,
Speaker 1: we went from freak offs the Hotel Knights, now this
Speaker 1: new girl it's wild King Knights. It all sounds about
Speaker 1: It sounds like the King narcissism bit part of him
Speaker 1: started to advance when the drugs likely advanced and as
Speaker 1: everything started to advance. Yeah, So in regards to Don,
Speaker 1: were you surprised that she was inconsistent? Did you ever
Speaker 1: know her to be inconsistent honestly?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Did you feel when you read her lawsuit shocked? It
Speaker 1: said during our time period the time periods that were
Speaker 1: given in the lawsuit, it overlaps with when we're doing
Speaker 1: our last album, and it overlaps with I was made
Speaker 1: to fulfill his sexual desires. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, even when Cassie's lost move, nothing shocked me. It
Speaker 3: just really sickened to me, and maybe said, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. But I wasn't like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: I can't believe that happened. Everything was very believable, like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I could be that happened.
Speaker 1: Also, so you felt like she she you could You
Speaker 1: felt it like I guess because I went on with
Speaker 1: her for so many years of touring and we discussed
Speaker 1: the Dirty Money era at length. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: every single person that was hit, thrown, shoved allegedly according
Speaker 1: to everything she said, but she never mentioned all the
Speaker 1: other She never mentioned any of that. So to me,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a second, I'm hearing everything else
Speaker 1: he said, but the you or you were in it factor,
Speaker 1: and then like I started to go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole and people started reaching out, I learned a whole
Speaker 1: host of things. I mean, you and I we don't
Speaker 1: really up like you know, like that. And also it's
Speaker 1: hard to think of our band member in ways like that.
Speaker 1: But during your time in the band with Don there
Speaker 1: was like a high. It was highly contentious between the
Speaker 1: both of you. Yeah, and not on your end in
Speaker 1: my opinion, but that's just an onlooker. But there was
Speaker 1: this I saw a desire to one up you, a
Speaker 1: desire to get ahead of you, to rise above you,
Speaker 1: to be more like than you and not just you.
Speaker 1: I felt it with myself at times as well. But
Speaker 1: there was a very aspirational side of her personality that
Speaker 1: I witnessed, and because there were so many stories told
Speaker 1: that were inconsistent, it all felt like it felt shocking,
Speaker 1: and then it felt like, wow, this is like it's convenient.
Speaker 1: Did you feel any of that or how what's your
Speaker 1: take on that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I did, like you said, you know, the the animosity
Speaker 3: between us grew and grew, and like you said, it
Speaker 3: was not on my ind and I approached her several
Speaker 3: times to get.
Speaker 1: Us on the same page with us.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we're group members. We
Speaker 2: were in it together. And I told her that.
Speaker 3: I was like, look, we don't have to like each other,
Speaker 3: we don't have to be best friends, but let's get
Speaker 3: on the same page because at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: it's us against them, and they will chew us up
Speaker 3: and spit us out, and you know, this is our
Speaker 3: career at the end of the day. I even remember
Speaker 3: when i'mber telling Shannon, it's going to come a time
Speaker 3: where we will probably have to break up as a
Speaker 3: group so that we can salvage our careers.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Interesting that was before our first album had even come out,
Speaker 3: because I saw the writing wall. She definitely was the
Speaker 3: type of person who didn't want anyone to have anything
Speaker 3: that she didn't have. It was like it didn't matter
Speaker 3: if I had it, and she, you know, never even
Speaker 3: thought about it that I had, and you didn't want
Speaker 3: me to have it.
Speaker 1: You're no, there was no There was never like an embracer,
Speaker 1: like a true sincere. That's why I think you and
Speaker 1: I became so close. It's like everyone thinks we were
Speaker 1: just the same and and me and you are both
Speaker 1: these people that go out and want to listen. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows you. You know, when we went out, I wanted
Speaker 1: to go home. You were there networking getting numbers. You
Speaker 1: are the best networker I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 1: When I go out somewhere, maybe back then, I was
Speaker 1: a little more excited to get dressed up and go out.
Speaker 1: I hate talking to people and networking and doing all that.
Speaker 1: You were like so clutch for our group because we
Speaker 1: had eighteen numbers. We could call for all kinds of
Speaker 1: things because you would be out talking, making friends, getting connections.
Speaker 1: We'd stylists, makeup hair, just people because you would. You
Speaker 1: would really love You're a great networker, period, and.
Speaker 3: We needed it.
Speaker 1: We made it. Also, if all five of us, if
Speaker 1: two of them are staying at home and one of
Speaker 1: them doesn't know how to authentically connect with anyone for
Speaker 1: whatever reasons are going on, then out of me and you.
Speaker 1: If you want to do it, girl, go I'll be
Speaker 1: your wingman. But when I want to leak and we
Speaker 1: please leave. I hate this shit like you would get
Speaker 1: us all the numbers. To me, I looked at it
Speaker 1: like you're an asset. Okay, So moving past that, what
Speaker 1: is the first thing that you remember feeling that wasn't
Speaker 1: right behind the scenes, Like close your eyes and remember
Speaker 1: it could be. First thing I think of when I
Speaker 1: close my eyes is us sitting outside of an office
Speaker 1: after being chosen and finding out that there was some
Speaker 1: conversation being had about Dawn lying on her contracts, and
Speaker 1: then we were all brought into a room and kind
Speaker 1: of told she lied on some legal documents that we
Speaker 1: had to sign in order to be a part of
Speaker 1: making the band. And I remember we were all sitting
Speaker 1: in the hallway scared because we didn't know who was
Speaker 1: in trouble or what was going on. And I remember
Speaker 1: like being brought in and being told like she's going
Speaker 1: to be owing him for putting him through that because
Speaker 1: they had already picked a band. Later on, Johnny kind
Speaker 1: of gave me the full picture, but he had to
Speaker 1: pay money to these people and he had reannounced the band,
Speaker 1: and so what are you going to do? Take someone
Speaker 1: out and replace them at that point, you, I guess
Speaker 1: they didn't feel that that was a thing. That's the
Speaker 1: first thing I remember seeing like, oh, this is off,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't.
Speaker 3: By the book well to that point, because at that
Speaker 3: time Dawn and I were roommates.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what was that? What happened during all of that?
Speaker 3: I remember that that day it felt very like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're in trouble at the principal's office. We were in
Speaker 3: that dark hallway for hours sitting there.
Speaker 1: That's what I remember, the dark.
Speaker 3: Scary hallway like not even just like no, it was dark.
Speaker 3: There were no lights off.
Speaker 1: I know. It was weird. We didn't have camera crews
Speaker 1: on us. It was the first time we had no
Speaker 1: camp like, there were no camera crews. Somebody was in trouble.
Speaker 1: Don was in there. There was screaming, kept coming in
Speaker 1: and out. I remember I think tears, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was very dramatic, and I remember I didn't know her,
Speaker 1: so I was like, what is going on? Right?
Speaker 3: I just remember girls coming out of the room in tears,
Speaker 3: crying like one after another, like what is going on
Speaker 3: in here? And when she came out, she was the
Speaker 3: She was the worst mess.
Speaker 2: And I was like, what did he say to her?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And so I was preparing myself like I was getting
Speaker 3: ready for the for the comeback, for the slick talk.
Speaker 3: I was ready to you know, put her on my armor.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, whatever you got to say, I
Speaker 2: got to come back for that.
Speaker 3: I got to come back, you know, and h bankfully,
Speaker 3: I wasn't even pulled into the room, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: I remember us all going in and him explaining to
Speaker 1: us that she had lied and said that she was
Speaker 1: in a music deal and she was, and that he's
Speaker 1: being kind of hustled by that company. Now like pay
Speaker 1: up and buy this artist from us, or that's our artist.
Speaker 1: Johnny told me he had to put up a certain
Speaker 1: amount of money and everyone was saying, just replace her.
Speaker 1: But for some reason that didn't occur, and he didn't.
Speaker 1: That wasn't the choice he was making. And I remember
Speaker 1: all of us being aware, and I remember him saying
Speaker 1: something like, you'll owe me with what is it called
Speaker 1: when you invest in, when you owe somebody interest plus interest?
Speaker 1: I remember that well.
Speaker 3: I remember, Okay, So, like I said, she was my
Speaker 3: hotel roommate at the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when she went back to the room, did
Speaker 1: she explained what? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was asking her and you know, I'm holding her hands,
Speaker 3: We're kneeling on the ground, I'm praying with her, We're
Speaker 3: playing gospel music.
Speaker 2: I'm doing all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Because as a supporter, and she had just went through
Speaker 3: Hurricane Katrina as well, you know. So I'm just I'm
Speaker 3: just digging her up. I'm just like encouraging her. And
Speaker 3: I remember telling her I was like, well, how much
Speaker 3: are they asking for it? And I can't remember the number.
Speaker 1: I do, but I don't want to say because Johnny
Speaker 1: told me it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I just remember telling her.
Speaker 3: I was like, girl, if if he wants you in
Speaker 3: the group, he's gonna he got that, I said, I said,
Speaker 3: he got that in a safe in his office.
Speaker 1: So he hadn't made a decision. And when we all
Speaker 1: left that dark hallway, he hadn't made a decision. Probably then,
Speaker 1: if that's what she said. When she got home, we
Speaker 1: were maybe waiting to see what the call was. And
Speaker 1: I so that that was the first moment I remember
Speaker 1: something with the business being like, whoa, this isn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to understand.
Speaker 3: I do remember telling her, you know, whatever he does
Speaker 3: and the pain he will probably have to recoup that, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, because I mean I had I had knowledge
Speaker 3: of like, you know, music business and the deals and
Speaker 3: everything like that, having just like because I had just
Speaker 3: you know, walked across the stage you know all n yu.
Speaker 3: So I had my my music business stuff you know, right,
Speaker 3: And I just remember saying, yo, girl, if he wants
Speaker 3: you in the group, he's gonna pay it.
Speaker 2: He got the in a stafe in the back of
Speaker 2: his office. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: So then then I was like, yo, if it's for you,
Speaker 3: it's for you.
Speaker 1: But it's not whatever he had more money for the
Speaker 1: freak off. So clearly, period, what's the first time you
Speaker 1: remember seeing or sense experiencing a thought where your gut
Speaker 1: went to the ground, like, this is sum's not right
Speaker 1: that whatever yours may be mine was within our group,
Speaker 1: but what was yours?
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, and that.
Speaker 1: Could beat a dead horse.
Speaker 3: Because I feel like this is the only narrative that
Speaker 3: has ever told about me, was that first time we
Speaker 3: came together. We didn't even have a name of our group,
Speaker 3: yet we had been We were chosen in November of
Speaker 3: two thousand, November fifteenth.
Speaker 1: Remember that's our LLC. You know that. I know that
Speaker 1: Dawn suit our LLC and her contract in her lawsuit.
Speaker 1: I saw that it's not even an active LLC by
Speaker 1: the way, But anyway.
Speaker 3: Right, it's also my sister's birthday, so shout out to
Speaker 3: my sisters.
Speaker 2: So I remember we came. We came back together.
Speaker 3: For the first time at Johnny Wright's compound to do
Speaker 3: a performance for NBA All Star Week, and we had
Speaker 3: no material. We had no We were trying to heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is when he was shaming you, body shaming you.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it came. It came out of nowhere because
Speaker 3: literally right before they turned on the camera the zoom
Speaker 3: or what was the skype at the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody was like, damn, your body is saying you had
Speaker 1: a twelve pack.
Speaker 2: We were just you were like I was leading the
Speaker 2: workout warm up with everybody.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we're gonna do this. I do
Speaker 3: these mondays.
Speaker 1: You have a body to everybody in the industry, we
Speaker 1: bought in order to become famous.
Speaker 3: It's wild, yeah, and in my face, you know. And
Speaker 3: it was just it was just left field. And I
Speaker 3: remember like I had to bite my tongue because I
Speaker 3: was like, like I said, I was ready with the comebacks,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I was trying to be respectful, and it was.
Speaker 3: Just so left field. It was like, why would he
Speaker 3: say that to me?
Speaker 2: Why would he why would he go that far?
Speaker 3: Like at first I was laughing it off, but he
Speaker 3: started going further and further and further, and at that
Speaker 3: at that point.
Speaker 2: I could tell he was on something. You know, he
Speaker 2: was high on something.
Speaker 1: He was getting off on it, and he kept going
Speaker 1: and going. I remember it was like he was getting
Speaker 1: off on continuing the jokes. He had done that to
Speaker 1: me and I got brown hair, Like, who the fuck
Speaker 1: is I don't even recognize who that was.
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made me go into Orbey's bowl and then
Speaker 1: Orbaye uh fried all my hair off and then had
Speaker 1: to put a head full of extensions on me because
Speaker 1: they burnt all my hair off. That would be crazy.
Speaker 1: I stopped La Sorbe.
Speaker 3: I was never able to wear my hair natural, so
Speaker 3: my heir, I remember that where I.
Speaker 1: Created my He hated what black women wearing their natural hair.
Speaker 1: He always wanted your hair slick down, the middle parted
Speaker 1: and flat, flat ironed. I remember he always hated that
Speaker 1: about the beauty standard that he expected of you. I
Speaker 1: remember that being a consistent thing, right.
Speaker 3: And then when I came in with my hair cut
Speaker 3: like that, he was just like, but it was too late.
Speaker 3: We had to go off stage like they're like, k God, so.
Speaker 1: Time, okay, So this is more of.
Speaker 3: A because we're just going back for a hot second. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do remember Leola, our director, coming to me and
Speaker 3: telling me that how disgusting that really was somebody's outside
Speaker 3: eye being able to see that, see what he was doing,
Speaker 3: and see what he was doing to a young young woman,
Speaker 3: and how disgusting it was, to the point where she
Speaker 3: told her cameras to stand down and shut it off.
Speaker 3: And I remember telling Shannon once.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know. Me and Shannon always had these
Speaker 2: side conversations because.
Speaker 1: She was She's good inside, she's good inside conversations. She
Speaker 1: does them well.
Speaker 3: She was like, oh my god, Oh, I can't believe
Speaker 3: he did that. That was so you don't know, so
Speaker 3: wrong on the other And I remember telling him. I'm
Speaker 3: telling Shannon, I said, don't worry about it. He's gonna
Speaker 3: have some daughters one day.
Speaker 2: And I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Dean, now he has them in court listening
Speaker 1: to how Daddy liked to swing it, slap it and
Speaker 1: roll it all around. He has them in court for
Speaker 1: Optic's sake, listening listening to Cassie's testimony. In the beginning,
Speaker 1: they haven't been in court consistently, a bit opted out
Speaker 1: but that's how much the consideration of the he'll have
Speaker 1: daughters one day line really got as far as it got.
Speaker 1: But speaking of something you just said, Leola, because she
Speaker 1: also protected me from many things as well. Even at
Speaker 1: her wedding years later she had said, like one of
Speaker 1: the top I think it was the biggest time she
Speaker 1: ever had to kind of betray herself as a producer.
Speaker 1: Was a situation that happened with me and her having
Speaker 1: to bring me back into something. Because this leads into
Speaker 1: my next question, how do you feel about coersion, force,
Speaker 1: body shaming, humiliation tactics that they called reality TV being
Speaker 1: sold as a standard and mostly a lot of times
Speaker 1: as a comedy. It was funny when he made all
Speaker 1: the guys and girls walked to Brooklyn for cheesecake but
Speaker 1: technically having a bunch of black folks walk to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Babs said she got tendon itis or developed something in
Speaker 1: her late like an to go to the hospital. And
Speaker 1: then the next day he was like you went to
Speaker 1: the hospital and she was like yeah, thinking she was
Speaker 1: going to get some like like good job or I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry or dan I was hectic, and he was
Speaker 1: like cool, so you want to go home? Then like
Speaker 1: it wasn't cool to you and and I told Dad's damn.
Speaker 1: I mean we had versions of that, but our versions
Speaker 1: were like, woke us up at six am. I had
Speaker 1: to sing Whitney Houston in front of eighteen people would
Speaker 1: no warm up, then run to here. Then we had
Speaker 1: to run Central Park until somebody dropped and then they
Speaker 1: would go home one or two people. Then we had
Speaker 1: to go to that dance thing where he was just
Speaker 1: dropping people like live like all of these things that
Speaker 1: are not normal. Nobody in the industry that's a famous
Speaker 1: artist had. Taylor Swift did not have to do any
Speaker 1: of that. And I don't know what everybody you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk about everyone else's story, but
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we did that are not
Speaker 1: mandatory requirements yet. I sometimes look at past Leola because
Speaker 1: Leola saved us. But when that moment happened with you,
Speaker 1: shame on him. I'm glad there was a producer there
Speaker 1: to help you with mentally in that mental health sense.
Speaker 1: But who over at the larger companies decided to air
Speaker 1: it exactly and who decided to air it as an
Speaker 1: issue of yours right?
Speaker 3: And I remember being talked to buy. Some of the
Speaker 3: other producers I won't name them, and I remember them
Speaker 3: telling me, well, you don't really have a struggle, and
Speaker 3: we want people to be able to relate to you,
Speaker 3: so we wanted to bring that up.
Speaker 2: And I was like, but it's not a struggle of mind.
Speaker 1: Don't create.
Speaker 3: Don't fabricate an issue.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there are real issues.
Speaker 3: There are real challenges that we are really having. You
Speaker 3: don't have to fabricate something and create a body issue.
Speaker 3: And I had to walk around the real world and
Speaker 3: people stop.
Speaker 1: I know. I felt like, why don't we just come
Speaker 1: on the cameras and talk about what don said about you?
Speaker 1: And she forgot to turn off her phone. That's a
Speaker 1: great episode of television instead of calling you overway burgers overweight.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the house waist side of everybody
Speaker 1: there and an eight pack or twelve pound don't know.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of little squares on your stomach.
Speaker 3: And he had me doing the extracurricular workouts by myself.
Speaker 2: I remember him pulling me into the in said the
Speaker 2: office one.
Speaker 3: Time after he had me working out by myself extracurricula,
Speaker 3: and he was like, oh, what are you doing running
Speaker 3: on the treadmill, will waist in your arms, And I
Speaker 3: was just like, well, my body develops muscle, and anything
Speaker 3: that made too much sense.
Speaker 2: He wanted to cut you off.
Speaker 3: And hear it, you know what I'm saying. I was like,
Speaker 3: my body developed muscle quickly, Like I remember meeting Serena
Speaker 3: Williams not too long after that, and I was just like, girl,
Speaker 3: me and you, we shaped the same.
Speaker 1: We just stay tight.
Speaker 3: But she was like, yep, yep, these thighs they that's
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But but what's crazy is that ended up being
Speaker 1: the beauty standard that every girl now is on tables
Speaker 1: trying to get at plastic surgery offices. Tiny days, big beauty,
Speaker 1: thick legs, like your arms are tiny, your waist is tiny.
Speaker 1: Like you, You're beautiful. You literally naturally have the entire
Speaker 1: body standard that has now become the thing that everybody
Speaker 1: wants to purchase. And yet at that time, when I
Speaker 1: look back on all of it, like sometimes I wish
Speaker 1: could I wish they could just say sorry to us,
Speaker 1: Like I know that they can't leave for legal reasons,
Speaker 1: just because Dawn suing them. Sarah's suing them. You know,
Speaker 1: she sued everyone she sued MTD, Viacom and everybody else
Speaker 1: in her lawsuit. So did Sarah, but so so then
Speaker 1: it becomes a situation where you gotta stay mom. But
Speaker 1: like I wish, I wish that it's very clear that
Speaker 1: we were in a very unhealthy situation and a lot
Speaker 1: of people knew, let's stop acting like nobody was on
Speaker 1: set and nobody knew there were tars being thrown, there
Speaker 1: were lawsuits occurring during the making of it. There was
Speaker 1: temper tantrums, there was choking, there was people coming in
Speaker 1: with fuck up faces hiding behind. But there was a
Speaker 1: lot of things going on that everybody saw while cameras
Speaker 1: are their cameras down, like you said, one of our
Speaker 1: producers said, cameras down was probably the most frequent thing
Speaker 1: I heard on that show on the production side, cameras down.
Speaker 1: Whenever a behavior was getting out of hand, it was
Speaker 1: the camera's down behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like, at least if the editors
Speaker 1: are watching it in a bay, there's got to be
Speaker 1: some HR policy where you got to move it on
Speaker 1: up to the top and ask, hey, you know this
Speaker 1: is part of HR on our side over here, when
Speaker 1: this big corporation I don't think this is okay. But
Speaker 1: like even you know, knowing after seeing that lawsuit and
Speaker 1: knowing all the things like Makua had told me, you know,
Speaker 1: allegedly like down knew who was going home that day
Speaker 1: in the room when I was fired and then you
Speaker 1: were fired after Oh yeah, second, when you watch it
Speaker 1: back the you know, it was like the whole presentation,
Speaker 1: it was completely uneven when we walked into that room,
Speaker 1: like there is some people were styled with makeup and
Speaker 1: hair g looks, and the rest of us just did
Speaker 1: it at home and showed up. But like when I
Speaker 1: go back and I watched those things, and then I
Speaker 1: go back and I see like three parts and Nowey's
Speaker 1: that Sway was hosting where Diddy's in Miami and a
Speaker 1: towel probably just got out of a freak op or
Speaker 1: maybe he's about to get into one. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: watching one at that point for fuck's sake, And he's
Speaker 1: sitting there berating me, laughing, and I was just sitting
Speaker 1: I think you decided not to come back. The other
Speaker 1: three were on the couch and the only person and
Speaker 1: I wasn't even clos with her. Then Shannon reached out
Speaker 1: and grabbed my hand and held my hand because it
Speaker 1: was like I was just getting beaten up, like psychotically
Speaker 1: beaten up for what it was the same question. Do
Speaker 1: you think Danny Kane was to blame for the demise
Speaker 1: of Dannity Kane?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not?
Speaker 1: Okay, moving forward? Do you think any one person the
Speaker 1: demise of Danity Kane?
Speaker 2: Sean p Di dy Kom.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in Danity Kane that caused the demise
Speaker 1: of Danity Kane or was aware of the demise of
Speaker 1: Danity Kane before Danity Kane was aware?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do believe that.
Speaker 3: I believe God knew, and I believe thank you.
Speaker 1: Do you think there was already asked you that? Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh no, you haven't really watched the trial. Question. Do
Speaker 1: you think the verdict, whether he gets offt or goes in,
Speaker 1: do either of those verdicts make a significant shift in
Speaker 1: the music industry.
Speaker 3: I think it will make a shift, but how much
Speaker 3: of a shift.
Speaker 2: Or how much more careful I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if it will change anything because so many
Speaker 3: people are in kahoots and so many people are benefit
Speaker 3: off of the way things are, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And I think people will just get more careful. They
Speaker 3: won't change for the better, They'll just get more careful.
Speaker 1: They'll watch their technology a bit better.
Speaker 3: Right, and and and it might even mean that more
Speaker 3: victims are ostracized and black balled as we were, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Instead of doing right by us, we just were ice.
Speaker 2: We were just thrown to those to the wayside.
Speaker 1: Do you believe many people will be in danger if
Speaker 1: he gets off on most of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, including us two? Correct?
Speaker 1: Okay? And then what does justice feel like for you?
Speaker 1: What do you want to see happen? What would what
Speaker 1: would bring the final a final piece of piece. I
Speaker 1: don't like to see, say the final, because I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be a process till the day we
Speaker 1: die to untangle what was put on us at such
Speaker 1: an impact full time. I'm still untangling. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just learned that my dand mate was involved in all
Speaker 1: kinds of really hectic things that carried the shit out
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know, even though I thought I
Speaker 1: thought we all went through it together, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that we were there were actors or acting going on.
Speaker 1: I just I really just thought it. You know, we
Speaker 1: know who this one was, we know the one which
Speaker 1: was temperamental. We know the one that was messy. We
Speaker 1: know that this well, like I didn't understand there was
Speaker 1: so much aspiration occurring around us. I saw it sometimes
Speaker 1: in the girlfriends, but I didn't see it in our group.
Speaker 1: So it's like the amount of deception that I feel
Speaker 1: is like who are these people? And when I talked
Speaker 1: to Drey, she was like, what the fuck is all
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, we were in it.
Speaker 3: So like seeing the forest for the trees right now
Speaker 3: is a big thing, Like wow, like kind sizing twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: it ain't even twenty twenty because we're learning new facts
Speaker 3: and then things that we physically subconsciously you know, no,
Speaker 3: and it's coming to the surface now. So like mental
Speaker 3: health is a big thing in my production. That's that
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to present here in New York at
Speaker 3: the Public Theater.
Speaker 1: And tell me about that real quick. Get your plug
Speaker 1: in because I want everyone to go support you.
Speaker 3: Yes, June twenty eighth, This coming Saturday at nine thirty
Speaker 3: PM or six thirty West Coast times. I have a
Speaker 3: global live stream if you're not in New York.
Speaker 2: And I at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wanted to open up open it up
Speaker 3: as much as I could.
Speaker 2: I hope people could be in the room.
Speaker 3: The name of the the name of the show is
Speaker 3: My living Room Self.
Speaker 2: And that is from a director that I worked.
Speaker 3: With, the named Tom Jones, and I worked with him
Speaker 3: on Candy Burris's production Love You were great and I
Speaker 3: thank you, and Tom Zones would come into rehearsal saying,
Speaker 3: I want your living room self, I want your extreme.
Speaker 2: Living room self.
Speaker 3: He was very animated, you know, but he wanted us
Speaker 3: to have the freedom. He wanted us to take off
Speaker 3: all of the judgment, all of the perfectionism, all the
Speaker 3: things that we're afraid to do, afraid to be, you know,
Speaker 3: like critique. And that's exactly what we went through doing
Speaker 3: making a band.
Speaker 1: Like okay, sorry, let me ask you in this performance
Speaker 1: are you are you wearing no makeup?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 1: Because there's no makeup in the living room, girl.
Speaker 2: I've taken it. I'm taking it off. Yes, you will
Speaker 2: see us stripping down. Is it is?
Speaker 1: You know? You get your last If I come visit
Speaker 1: your living room, I'll take off the lashes.
Speaker 3: Take off the last, take off, your bral take off.
Speaker 1: So I don't have a bra and I never have
Speaker 1: a bra.
Speaker 3: It's basically trying to reclaim that most authentic version of
Speaker 3: yourself after all of the all the chips on your shoulder,
Speaker 3: after all of the you know, toxic voices in your head,
Speaker 3: all the all the ways you've been pooned and picked
Speaker 3: that and position and the way that we show up
Speaker 3: and the way that we're standing is so natural. It's
Speaker 3: like we're holding our breast. But when you come into
Speaker 3: the living room, you're able to let your guard down,
Speaker 3: You free yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I do want to. You're just making me
Speaker 1: jump to one story. One of the last times we spoke,
Speaker 1: you were talking, I had gotten an Afi David that
Speaker 1: was I can't talk about it, but I received an
Speaker 1: Affidavid that was horrible. I sent it to you to
Speaker 1: ask you if you had remembered any of the detail
Speaker 1: tails in any of it, recalled any of it. And
Speaker 1: you were in Africa at the time, and you had
Speaker 1: brought the dress or outfit that you had worn the David.
Speaker 1: You were fired, yes, And I remember you were telling
Speaker 1: me you were like how heavy it was, and like
Speaker 1: you were kind of burning it on you burnt it
Speaker 1: and left it there the ashes there right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that you were kind of going to put whatever the
Speaker 1: spirit is of whatever that may be for me in
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my my spiritual advisor as we call him
Speaker 3: our bah bah you know in Nigeria.
Speaker 2: He because when you text me that, it was right
Speaker 2: after we had done.
Speaker 3: All of these you know, spiritual cleansing, you know, rituals
Speaker 3: and things. I'm so sorry, No, no, no, it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's okay, because.
Speaker 3: Everything happens for a reason, and everything happens in the
Speaker 3: right timing. And I remember him telling me because I
Speaker 3: broke down in tears and I was almost like I
Speaker 3: don't want to go.
Speaker 1: Back, like when you read it, you read it.
Speaker 3: I read it right there, and I ran out of
Speaker 3: my room and I ran right to him and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is what's happening. And he was telling me,
Speaker 3: you know, even what we've done here is going to
Speaker 3: protect her, It's going to protect both of me.
Speaker 1: And tell me and by the way, like I latched
Speaker 1: onto that protection because I feel now more than ever,
Speaker 1: especially after talking with Q, that there might be some
Speaker 1: type of like bad energy sources that are trying to
Speaker 1: invade our bubbles and invade our places, and that you
Speaker 1: have to be careful of all kinds of.
Speaker 3: Things, trust each other and make us, you know, go
Speaker 3: into a show.
Speaker 1: Two questions. But I want to get to these quick
Speaker 1: trigger just quick ones because they're getting me times up.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I want to ask you all these
Speaker 1: because they're funny, and I never got fun interviews. It's
Speaker 1: always so stressful with this topic. But to clarify for
Speaker 1: both you and I, why do you think I got fired?
Speaker 3: It was sexual harassment retaliation? That's my sportance.
Speaker 1: Why do you think you got fired?
Speaker 2: Because I was close to you and it was retaliation?
Speaker 1: Okay, So now here's the question. Games okay, and you
Speaker 1: have to just quick trigger long, no long definitions, just
Speaker 1: quick trigger first thing out your minds most outrageous rule
Speaker 1: did he had for us?
Speaker 2: Oh? My goodness, no.
Speaker 3: Sleep for seventy two hours and longer?
Speaker 1: Who cried the most during making the band?
Speaker 2: Drea?
Speaker 1: Who got who got the most side eyes from Diddy?
Speaker 3: You know you may get side eyes?
Speaker 5: You got direct eyes.
Speaker 1: Direct hella directs? Who knew how to play that game?
Speaker 1: I say, Dawn, how did it feel to hear you're fired?
Speaker 3: It was like oh?
Speaker 1: And then actually say it in his words? You can
Speaker 1: go too even worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get out.
Speaker 1: Now, he said, you can go too. Yeah, like an afterthought.
Speaker 2: Almost, it was like a gut punch.
Speaker 3: I felt the hairs on the back of my neck,
Speaker 3: like just like tangles and spines like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Describe Diddy's energy in one word, toxic, craziest rumor you've
Speaker 1: heard about Diddy back then. Oh, back then, it's just
Speaker 1: a rumor. It's a legen. So you could say anything.
Speaker 1: You heard that back then. It was crazy, okay that.
Speaker 3: He had off you know, Paige Officers, some NYPD running
Speaker 3: around chasing j Lo to find her around New York City.
Speaker 2: She was trying to get with him.
Speaker 1: One thing we weren't allowed to do. That now sounds insane.
Speaker 2: He said, one thing we were not allowed to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds insane.
Speaker 3: Shoot, one thing we were not allowed to do.
Speaker 1: I could name something. Go ahead, get na get paid?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, get by.
Speaker 3: How about where the wear my hair?
Speaker 2: The wee grows out of my head?
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Who do you think
Speaker 1: scared him more? Us or the truth?
Speaker 2: The truth?
Speaker 1: Your favorite member of d k abrio day you're mine too,
Speaker 1: least favorite member of DK, which still means you like him,
Speaker 1: but least say or maybe don't but least favorite.
Speaker 2: Oh man, this feels like a beat up session.
Speaker 1: Now it's not there. These are just one of all
Speaker 1: same mind a few sayers, Okay, say down?
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: Were all the Pussycat Dolls microphones on when we would
Speaker 1: tour with them?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know Nicole shares ingers Mike
Speaker 3: is going right now on Broadway, she is singing down.
Speaker 1: Her mic was on. But on the days where we
Speaker 1: would feel bad because we were watching watching our costume
Speaker 1: crotches in the sink because we didn't have multiple costumes
Speaker 1: like they did. Yeah, and we all put our in
Speaker 1: ears together because we shared the same five networks. Do
Speaker 1: you remember how we couldn't hear anything coming out of
Speaker 1: a few of them?
Speaker 3: I just remember I remember Melanie Mellan, Meloany Thornton's might
Speaker 3: being on, Might being on.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and everybody else's I didn't hear. And then
Speaker 1: did they have a vocal pitch rig?
Speaker 3: They did?
Speaker 2: Did they have one?
Speaker 1: Did they?
Speaker 2: We?
Speaker 1: Everybody knows we didn't? Did they? Okay?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 1: Who is the last you K member you spoke to you?
Speaker 1: Which DK performance lives rent free in your head?
Speaker 2: Rent free for other reasons, but.
Speaker 3: The one when I invited my boyfriend and I got
Speaker 3: him front roasting from roasting tickets, trying the basketball player guy, no,
Speaker 3: the one that I.
Speaker 1: Was the long term one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, and he decided not to show up.
Speaker 1: Oh damn.
Speaker 3: Those seats were empty in the front row as we
Speaker 3: were performing live.
Speaker 1: Rent free of all the iconic shit we did on
Speaker 1: stage that lives rent free. I'm so sorry, Mama.
Speaker 2: That hurt the most.
Speaker 3: Because I felt like he was my refuse, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: He's who I talked to the most, He's.
Speaker 3: Who the expression is allible things, and I just felt
Speaker 3: abandoned and he just didn't show and it was it
Speaker 3: was jealousy on his part, like he was also he
Speaker 3: was comforting me, but he was jealous of me at
Speaker 3: the same time.
Speaker 1: Which is the case of most women in this industry
Speaker 1: who missed the most rehearsals.
Speaker 2: It is between you and Don.
Speaker 1: I'm not afred. I was gonna say, no one. We
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to miss rehearsals. I don't. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I missed some performances because of Broadway. Don took
Speaker 1: off to go do dirty money stuff while we were
Speaker 1: still doing Danity Kine. But rehearsals, we all had to
Speaker 1: be in rehearsals. Yeah, I can't. It was just show. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: who kept the group grounded when it got messy? Shannon,
Speaker 1: biggest diva moment you saw yours are someone.
Speaker 2: Else's in the group.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, The biggest diva moment was when I fought so
Speaker 3: hard to get my sister's song on the album in
Speaker 3: My Heart, In my Heart and some people and Don
Speaker 3: Andrea up and you know, do a fit and left
Speaker 3: the studio and didn't want to record it and come
Speaker 3: back for like four hours.
Speaker 2: But guess what, that man, you got all you got,
Speaker 2: all the time you need.
Speaker 1: I want to say it's my favorite song. I got
Speaker 1: so many parts on that song, and I love that song.
Speaker 3: I still played said go ahead, take.
Speaker 1: You and I did. That leaves you to my next question.
Speaker 1: Top three Danity Kane songs. Your top three favorite off
Speaker 1: the dome? Top three favorite?
Speaker 2: The ones that we wrote.
Speaker 3: Picture is top three, pe to my Heart, strip Cy's
Speaker 3: Mary Brown because she allowed us to.
Speaker 1: Write on Okay, so strip Tease, keet to my Heart.
Speaker 1: What's your third one?
Speaker 3: Picture?
Speaker 2: It is because we wrote that poem together.
Speaker 1: I love picture. Okay, would you ever go on tour
Speaker 1: with all five members of Danity Kane?
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think it would be a good I
Speaker 3: don't think that would be a good situation. I'm going
Speaker 3: forward with you.
Speaker 1: I'll go on tour with you too, obviously, but the
Speaker 1: five is the question.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that would be good.
Speaker 1: After the trial to know for me as well, But you,
Speaker 1: Drea Shan, I'm fine. Who surprised you the most that's
Speaker 1: been speaking out about the Diddy trial or Diddy in
Speaker 1: general recently. I'm actually surprised that don't spoke out if
Speaker 1: Diddy called today? Are you answering?
Speaker 2: Now, we're not a lawyer present it a whiteyard.
Speaker 1: Who's more likely to survive a scandal? A boy band
Speaker 1: or a girl group. Let's say Dannity Kane.
Speaker 2: A boy band, and why because they're boys.
Speaker 6: They just forgive and overlook the boy's behavior.
Speaker 1: So girls don't really run the world, do they? No,
Speaker 1: Beyonce tried it. She tried to give us some self esteem,
Speaker 1: But we don't really run the world. Let's be real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we we have a power, and that's why there's
Speaker 6: such a backlash against women because we are so powerful.
Speaker 6: So that is why there is so much effort to
Speaker 6: contain and you know, oppress us because we are powerful. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to silence something that you're not threatened by.
Speaker 1: Correct. Okay, One word Shannon, one word for Shannon Mother,
Speaker 1: one word for Drea. If it's like a double word,
Speaker 1: it's gonna a double word. But one thought for Drea, Sia.
Speaker 2: Hair, one thought for me.
Speaker 5: Live Wire, one thought for uh Dawn mm hmm, mask,
Speaker 5: one thought for you, abundance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and my last question finished the sentence. Danity
Speaker 1: Kane was never just about Vanity.
Speaker 6: Caye, was never just about a TV show.
Speaker 2: Or music to listen to.
Speaker 7: For me, it was a really hard life lesson in
Speaker 7: many different things, in who I am as an artist,
Speaker 7: who I am as a professional, who I am as
Speaker 7: a you know, business person?
Speaker 3: And yet it was a.
Speaker 2: It was a real growing up moment.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Did meeting Diddy change your life?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have a more enjoyable life
Speaker 1: if you had never met him? Yes? Do you think
Speaker 1: that there are things that you experienced under him that
Speaker 1: you will forever be healing from?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like during your time there you felt
Speaker 1: versions of force, coercion, manipulation, extortion. I mean it's kind
Speaker 1: of like all the albums we did and didn't get
Speaker 1: paid for.
Speaker 3: But yeah, financial abuse.
Speaker 1: Financial abuse, body shaming, all of the things. Did you
Speaker 1: feel all that you experienced all of those things in
Speaker 1: your time there?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Would you take Danity Kane back from the world if
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity, knowing what you know now to
Speaker 1: not have gone an auditioned for it?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really hard question.
Speaker 1: You think about it because I only want to guess
Speaker 1: or a no. To be honest, you don't have to
Speaker 1: live for anyone but you.
Speaker 6: I would take it back for me, hands down. But
Speaker 6: for for the people and for the people who are
Speaker 6: continue to meet and who have wonderful memories and experiences,
Speaker 6: and who were inspired and who continue to be inspired
Speaker 6: even through all of this that's happening. They are inspired
Speaker 6: and speed strength and see you know the bigger picture
Speaker 6: in ways that it affects their life, Like it's great
Speaker 6: for them.
Speaker 1: But does all of their joy combined make it worse
Speaker 1: your pain? Mmmm?
Speaker 2: It has it hasn't.
Speaker 6: It hasn't paid up yet?
Speaker 1: The words thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I love you, sir, thank you, Bye bye bab.