WEBVTT - D. Woods Speaks Out 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.840 Hey guys, this is Aubrey O Day and you're listening 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.960 to TJ and Amy presents Aubrey o'da v covering the 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:20.159 Diddy Trial Today. I have on my savesy member of 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:24.240 d K. I can't even believe it. Ebanie and Ivory 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.360 is what they used to call us on the show 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:37.280 de Woods. How are you, Heyara, Shit, we've been through 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:37.640 a lot. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.240 Huh oh yeah, oh yeah, we're got. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.160 Hold on. Okay, So let's get down to the trial 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.080 stuff first and just get it out of the way. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:54.080 I obviously have to follow literally transcripted transcripts all day long, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:58.080 so I'm like overwhelmed with the amount of information that 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.040 I know. But as you, we both know, we knew 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.720 what was going on then, we knew what we saw, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.120 we knew what the behavior was. We're learning all the 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.959 details in even more detail at this point. But from 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.240 what you and I'm assuming, I know you keep busy, 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:16.640 and I know you stay on the artistic side and 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.920 the creative side, so I can't imagine that your head 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.640 is fully into every little moment of this at all. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.440 But just from what you've been able to observe, how 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.040 do you feel it's going and what is your instinct 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.800 when it comes to whether he's going to get off 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 or not. You know, prosecution is resting on Monday. Defense 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.040 is claiming they might just rest on Monday as well, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.280 or maybe they'll give it a day and rest on Wednesday. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:44.479 But they're only putting up about a day or two 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:48.560 for his defense. Will you feel about that, and what 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.120 are the people around you feeling? And how are you 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.280 feeling about which way it's going to go? 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:58.120 Hey, Aurey, it's so nice to talk to you and 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:04.840 see your face this throughout throughout this journey, this part 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:05.520 of the journey. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.000 I'm gonna be honest, I have not been following the trial. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.799 I have tried, actually tried my. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.400 Best to not follow it, just for mental health sake 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.639 and spiritual, you know, protection sake. It's really it's really triggering. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:26.799 It's really you know, stomach turning. And even the people 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:30.000 around me, I think they have been taking care to 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.200 not bring it up to me because they. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.679 Know how it would probably hearing. 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.640 The news and hearing the details. And I think even 0:02:39.720 --> 0:02:43.800 like you know, parents and loved ones, they may even 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:48.679 feel a sense of guilt because in the time being, 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.040 nobody knew what we were really dealing with and what 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.959 atmosphere we were really in. And I think what people 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:59.480 wanted was for us to take advantage of this opportunity. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.360 Just everybody, I'm just talking about the opportunity and the 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:04.360 chance and the dream. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.359 And it was like we didn't even get questions. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.640 Like are you safe exactly? Okay? That was that wasn't 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.080 in anyone's conversation. It was like, oh my god, what 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.160 does it feel to be around him? Oh my god, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.880 you're the luckiest person. Oh my god, you made it. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.280 Like when all the girls that didn't make it that 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.520 were always a little salty along the way whenever we'd 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.399 run into them, like they look at us, like we're 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.760 so lucky, And as time moved forward, we would always 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.320 be like yeah, yeah, and then get back together like good, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.640 you're kind of lucky you didn't make it, b okay. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.520 And then the other thing is like, you know, people 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.080 telling us how to how to be smart about the situation. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:48.120 You got to be business minded, or there was another you. 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.160 Know take on it where people would basically blame us 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.320 for the predicament that we were in like, well, it 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:55.360 comes with the territory. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.800 I mean you knew what you signed up for. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.200 I mean you would, You're willing to do whatever to 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:01.000 get you know aim, you were willing. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:01.680 To do what you need to do. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:03.720 You know you can get, you. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:04.480 Know, whatever you wanted. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.680 You and I represent two very different where are very 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.480 different women from different places, grown up different ways. Did 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.360 you ever know any of the things that were going on? 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.560 Is that ever anything you wanted and what you knew 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.000 you needed to do in order to get there? I'm 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.760 assuming the answer is absolutely not. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:23.720 Yeah, absolutely not. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.120 I mean same with me, but one of our band 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.159 members we learned otherwise about. But I know for you 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.080 as your roommate the entire time, that's not the energy 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:35.600 you were on and what I saw you thinking it 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.600 took was sitting in the closet. I remember you would 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.440 go huddle up in the closet and put on your 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.040 beat pad or your whatever machine you have back then, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.760 and you'd be making tracks and writing tracks and making 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.520 music and just always I remember that, claud You remember 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:56.200 the closet you would go into not good acoustics. Yeah, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.800 like that's not where we me and you were at 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.960 me you weren't having those types of conversations. Unfortunately, as 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:07.040 you you know told everyone on HBO, those conversations did 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.280 start to enter the chat in our bedroom, like when 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.320 we would share our bedroom during you know, just so 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.279 everyone's clear we shared bedrooms because clearly did. He doesn't 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.320 really like to share his money a whole lot. And 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.720 so when they put us up, they would put everybody 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.599 in rooms together so they could save money. And it 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.279 was always Drea and Shannon, and it was always Dee 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:36.120 Woods and I and then Don was always. 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.960 By herself, right, well start remember it started out with 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.920 us kind of like rotating the single room like yeah, 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:44.880 you know, taking terms, but then it just ended up 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.120 being Don always taking the single room by herself. 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:52.960 Yeah, conveniently. So speaking of Don, she took the stand, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:58.200 I reported she showed up in a three piece suit, vest, 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.080 full blown blazer, diamonds on the collar, something a lawyer, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.400 the lawyer as good as hers. What absolutely advise isn't 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.200 the look you know, Cassie's she's worth millions, and she 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.000 still played it low key on the stand. She could 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.640 have come from Edgeite and Versace. You're not really the 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.279 kind of common knowledge in law just growing up with 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.479 lawyers is you don't wear name brands when you're on 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.880 the stand testifying as a victim. You don't style yourself, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:31.159 you don't present yourself. You just stay hump. Everything is 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.719 a visual and an optic in a courtroom, like Cassie's 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.400 pregnant belly, but they didn't want anyone to see, like 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.720 Puff's gray hair. Everything is optics, like the eight Pack 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:45.159 of White Women, which was Diddy's attorney's big statement to 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.200 the media when it first came out. That's what he's 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.680 up against. Optics or everything in a courtroom. And I 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.800 saw her go in, I immediately was like, oh no. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.440 And then because I'm familiar with her character, I was 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.200 assuming I was. I honestly was hoping that it would 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.160 convince me and that I could feel like some relief, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.240 feel some relief about some of the worst thoughts that 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.800 I've had that she's possibly capable of. And then as 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.920 she started going on the stand, and it was right 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.960 after Cassie, directly after, like, that's a pretty big seat 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.320 in a trial, and in that seat in one story, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.960 they caught her in a series of depositions, telling a 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:38.440 story seven different ways. So I don't know if you 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.680 read about any of that. It was reported widely everywhere 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.240 that she had inconsistent testimony and kind of came off 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.640 in court is not credible. Did you hear about that? 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.920 I did not hear about her credibility and how she 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:53.920 came off. I just knew that she took the stand 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.200 on a particular day, And you know, I was just 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.600 I was getting a lot of text messages, not direct 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.480 text messages, but just people saying, thinking of you, You're 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.800 so strong, are you good? 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.679 You know, That's all I would getting. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.120 So I knew something must be happening because I was 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.280 getting those kind of messages. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.600 Okay, So when her civil case came out, it had 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.640 all kinds of things in there, but I saw a 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.640 lot of the things that kind of were on making 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:30.040 the band episodes. We weren't able to We didn't eat 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:35.200 get food regularly. She had lost so much weight, she 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:40.760 was unhealthy, She was forced to stay up long hours, 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.439 she wasn't paid for her music. And then she feels 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.600 that during a fitting that he was touching on her 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.480 in a sexual way as they were trying to fit 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:54.640 the outfits of her body. Those were the basis kind 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.840 of of what I understood the lawsuit to be suing for, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.240 which are things all of us sperience. I never felt 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.080 when he would come into my fittings and adjust my costumes. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.280 I never felt he was doing it in a sexual way. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.680 So I can't speak for me personally. I never felt it. 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.520 I felt like he was coming in doing his regular 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.200 I want those titties up, I want to ask out 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.280 cut those shorter, I want the belly to show like 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.680 he wanted us to be sexy girl group girls. But 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.640 I didn't feel like he was getting He wasn't hard 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.280 while he was doing it. It wasn't It didn't feel 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.360 like a sexual exchange to me. I don't know if 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.920 you experienced something like that, did you. I didn't. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.560 I didn't feel the sexual exchange, or maybe I just was, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.040 you know, oblivious to that because we were mad young 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.840 and so it's like things that don't even know it 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.080 was normal. Yeah, it was very boss is. You don't 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.680 think somebody like him or your boss is going to 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.160 be talk to me. But what I did experience was, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:57.800 like you said, was the demeaning, dehumanizing, like gentrification. Yeah, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.160 just really feeling like I'm just like a piece of meat. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:02.440 Just feeling like I'm. 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.439 Being tossed to and fro and you no consideration of like. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.679 Our humanity and and just. 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.840 Really taking care of like the people who are on. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:15.839 We're also to be on the same team. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.280 And he really treated us like we were Like he 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.120 said to us several different times, you are are not 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.880 worth the shit on the bottom of my shoes. I 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.679 remember that specifically, that comment from you want to know. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.640 What I keep hearing in testimony or in voice messages 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.520 baby girl, baby girl. That has me Every time I 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.280 hear it, I get chills, because baby girl, what do 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.240 you think this is? Well? What the fuck is this? 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:42.600 What is that? Oh? So your baby girl, let me 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.840 get let me tell you this right now though this 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.080 is what the fuck's now? The baby girl line is 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:54.839 almost like bitch, yeah, like it's it's so yeah, it's 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.720 interesting because it does. It doesn't sound as horrible as bitch. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.400 But that baby girl stits stuck out to me when 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.520 I kept hearing it with the girlfriends, because I was like, 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.760 he said that to us all the time, and it 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.920 was right before he was about to let us know 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.080 what direction we needed to be coerced into. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.240 Do you remember when he wanted us to call him daddy, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.480 and he told us to call him daddy. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.320 I think so, I even remember King and a few 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:24.680 other things I remember. I remember we went somewhere in Miami, 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:27.920 maybe like an NBA All Star weekend or something, and 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.040 there were girls in the limo with us, and we 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.280 were laughing about like Puff's taste and who he had 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:38.040 and I was, and then he got pissy, and yeah, 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.880 he like popped off pretty hard with all of that 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.000 the King stuff, talking about he can ride on the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:48.880 backs of humans in Dubai and he can order, you know, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.840 like it got very It turned into I'm King and 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.480 I could make anything happen, so watchers like, there's nothing 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.360 I can't do. It is the way that the rant 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.760 went on. Yes, So when I hear them now calling 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.800 them wild King Knights, I was like, oh, that's you know, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.719 we went from freak offs the Hotel Knights, now this 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.880 new girl it's wild King Knights. It all sounds about 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:18.680 It sounds like the King narcissism bit part of him 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.640 started to advance when the drugs likely advanced and as 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.240 everything started to advance. Yeah, So in regards to Don, 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:31.320 were you surprised that she was inconsistent? Did you ever 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.400 know her to be inconsistent honestly? 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:53.360 Oh yeah, okay. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.439 Did you feel when you read her lawsuit shocked? It 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.400 said during our time period the time periods that were 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:56.680 given in the lawsuit, it overlaps with when we're doing 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:01.120 our last album, and it overlaps with I was made 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:05.200 to fulfill his sexual desires. Yeah. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:10.720 Unfortunately, even when Cassie's lost move, nothing shocked me. It 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.960 just really sickened to me, and maybe said, you know 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.680 what I mean. But I wasn't like, oh my goodness, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.720 I can't believe that happened. Everything was very believable, like, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.320 oh yeah, I could be that happened. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.280 Also, so you felt like she she you could You 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:26.920 felt it like I guess because I went on with 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.120 her for so many years of touring and we discussed 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.240 the Dirty Money era at length. I mean, I know 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.640 every single person that was hit, thrown, shoved allegedly according 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:40.720 to everything she said, but she never mentioned all the 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:45.400 other She never mentioned any of that. So to me, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.960 I was like, wait a second, I'm hearing everything else 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.240 he said, but the you or you were in it factor, 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.360 and then like I started to go down the rabbit 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.920 hole and people started reaching out, I learned a whole 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.720 host of things. I mean, you and I we don't 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.240 really up like you know, like that. And also it's 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:04.680 hard to think of our band member in ways like that. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:08.480 But during your time in the band with Don there 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.120 was like a high. It was highly contentious between the 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.680 both of you. Yeah, and not on your end in 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:20.840 my opinion, but that's just an onlooker. But there was 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.880 this I saw a desire to one up you, a 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:30.160 desire to get ahead of you, to rise above you, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.520 to be more like than you and not just you. 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.520 I felt it with myself at times as well. But 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:42.720 there was a very aspirational side of her personality that 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.560 I witnessed, and because there were so many stories told 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:51.400 that were inconsistent, it all felt like it felt shocking, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:55.120 and then it felt like, wow, this is like it's convenient. 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.160 Did you feel any of that or how what's your 0:14:59.160 --> 0:14:59.640 take on that? 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:01.040 Well? 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.440 I did, like you said, you know, the the animosity 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:09.960 between us grew and grew, and like you said, it 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:12.320 was not on my ind and I approached her several 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:13.560 times to get. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.880 Us on the same page with us. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.520 At the end of the day, we're group members. We 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:19.520 were in it together. And I told her that. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:21.440 I was like, look, we don't have to like each other, 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.920 we don't have to be best friends, but let's get 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.680 on the same page because at the end of the day, 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.200 it's us against them, and they will chew us up 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.320 and spit us out, and you know, this is our 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.400 career at the end of the day. I even remember 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.240 when i'mber telling Shannon, it's going to come a time 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.520 where we will probably have to break up as a 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.680 group so that we can salvage our careers. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:43.080 You know. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.640 Interesting that was before our first album had even come out, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.600 because I saw the writing wall. She definitely was the 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.920 type of person who didn't want anyone to have anything 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.680 that she didn't have. It was like it didn't matter 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.880 if I had it, and she, you know, never even 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.200 thought about it that I had, and you didn't want 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:01.840 me to have it. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:06.120 You're no, there was no There was never like an embracer, 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.160 like a true sincere. That's why I think you and 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.160 I became so close. It's like everyone thinks we were 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.120 just the same and and me and you are both 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.680 these people that go out and want to listen. Everybody 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.280 knows you. You know, when we went out, I wanted 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.480 to go home. You were there networking getting numbers. You 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.840 are the best networker I've ever seen in my life. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.880 When I go out somewhere, maybe back then, I was 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.160 a little more excited to get dressed up and go out. 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.120 I hate talking to people and networking and doing all that. 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.680 You were like so clutch for our group because we 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.960 had eighteen numbers. We could call for all kinds of 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.400 things because you would be out talking, making friends, getting connections. 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.880 We'd stylists, makeup hair, just people because you would. You 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.240 would really love You're a great networker, period, and. 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:51.000 We needed it. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.760 We made it. Also, if all five of us, if 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.800 two of them are staying at home and one of 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.800 them doesn't know how to authentically connect with anyone for 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.119 whatever reasons are going on, then out of me and you. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:06.320 If you want to do it, girl, go I'll be 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.000 your wingman. But when I want to leak and we 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.080 please leave. I hate this shit like you would get 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.280 us all the numbers. To me, I looked at it 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:18.040 like you're an asset. Okay, So moving past that, what 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.879 is the first thing that you remember feeling that wasn't 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.000 right behind the scenes, Like close your eyes and remember 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.480 it could be. First thing I think of when I 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:35.040 close my eyes is us sitting outside of an office 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.520 after being chosen and finding out that there was some 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.880 conversation being had about Dawn lying on her contracts, and 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.000 then we were all brought into a room and kind 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.840 of told she lied on some legal documents that we 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.399 had to sign in order to be a part of 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.280 making the band. And I remember we were all sitting 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.320 in the hallway scared because we didn't know who was 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.280 in trouble or what was going on. And I remember 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.360 like being brought in and being told like she's going 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.520 to be owing him for putting him through that because 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.520 they had already picked a band. Later on, Johnny kind 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.280 of gave me the full picture, but he had to 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.960 pay money to these people and he had reannounced the band, 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.600 and so what are you going to do? Take someone 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.840 out and replace them at that point, you, I guess 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.879 they didn't feel that that was a thing. That's the 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.800 first thing I remember seeing like, oh, this is off, 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:29.720 Like this isn't. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:34.280 By the book well to that point, because at that 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.840 time Dawn and I were roommates. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.000 Okay, so what was that? What happened during all of that? 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:47.200 I remember that that day it felt very like, oh, 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.000 we're in trouble at the principal's office. We were in 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:52.719 that dark hallway for hours sitting there. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.400 That's what I remember, the dark. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.400 Scary hallway like not even just like no, it was dark. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:18:59.720 There were no lights off. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.399 I know. It was weird. We didn't have camera crews 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:05.800 on us. It was the first time we had no 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.800 camp like, there were no camera crews. Somebody was in trouble. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.639 Don was in there. There was screaming, kept coming in 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:13.800 and out. I remember I think tears, I don't know. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:17.160 It was very dramatic, and I remember I didn't know her, 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.840 so I was like, what is going on? Right? 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.160 I just remember girls coming out of the room in tears, 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.840 crying like one after another, like what is going on 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.880 in here? And when she came out, she was the 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.080 She was the worst mess. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.360 And I was like, what did he say to her? 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:34.080 You know what I mean? 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.200 And so I was preparing myself like I was getting 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.880 ready for the for the comeback, for the slick talk. 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.000 I was ready to you know, put her on my armor. 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:42.199 You know. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.679 I was like, Okay, whatever you got to say, I 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:44.639 got to come back for that. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:51.320 I got to come back, you know, and h bankfully, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.520 I wasn't even pulled into the room, you know what 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:53.920 I mean. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:57.560 I remember us all going in and him explaining to 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.080 us that she had lied and said that she was 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.880 in a music deal and she was, and that he's 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.800 being kind of hustled by that company. Now like pay 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:10.479 up and buy this artist from us, or that's our artist. 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:12.320 Johnny told me he had to put up a certain 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.280 amount of money and everyone was saying, just replace her. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:19.119 But for some reason that didn't occur, and he didn't. 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.760 That wasn't the choice he was making. And I remember 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.720 all of us being aware, and I remember him saying 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.639 something like, you'll owe me with what is it called 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:32.119 when you invest in, when you owe somebody interest plus interest? 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:33.920 I remember that well. 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.879 I remember, Okay, So, like I said, she was my 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:38.280 hotel roommate at the time. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:40.320 So yeah, when she went back to the room, did 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:41.880 she explained what? Yeah? 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:45.439 I was asking her and you know, I'm holding her hands, 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.520 We're kneeling on the ground, I'm praying with her, We're 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:50.879 playing gospel music. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.119 I'm doing all this stuff. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.080 Because as a supporter, and she had just went through 0:20:56.200 --> 0:21:00.320 Hurricane Katrina as well, you know. So I'm just I'm 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.359 just digging her up. I'm just like encouraging her. And 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:03.879 I remember telling her I was like, well, how much 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.600 are they asking for it? And I can't remember the number. 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:08.879 I do, but I don't want to say because Johnny 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:09.400 told me it. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.520 Okay, Well, I just remember telling her. 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.240 I was like, girl, if if he wants you in 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.760 the group, he's gonna he got that, I said, I said, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:20.800 he got that in a safe in his office. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.479 So he hadn't made a decision. And when we all 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.239 left that dark hallway, he hadn't made a decision. Probably then, 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.040 if that's what she said. When she got home, we 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.800 were maybe waiting to see what the call was. And 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.640 I so that that was the first moment I remember 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.520 something with the business being like, whoa, this isn't Yeah, 0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:37.600 I don't want to understand. 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.560 I do remember telling her, you know, whatever he does 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.200 and the pain he will probably have to recoup that, yeah, 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.600 you know, because I mean I had I had knowledge 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.320 of like, you know, music business and the deals and 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.680 everything like that, having just like because I had just 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.840 you know, walked across the stage you know all n yu. 0:21:55.960 --> 0:22:00.720 So I had my my music business stuff you know, right, 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.080 And I just remember saying, yo, girl, if he wants 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:05.960 you in the group, he's gonna pay it. 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:07.520 He got the in a stafe in the back of 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.159 his office. Don't worry about it. 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:11.399 So then then I was like, yo, if it's for you, 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:11.800 it's for you. 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:13.960 But it's not whatever he had more money for the 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:27.000 freak off. So clearly, period, what's the first time you 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.879 remember seeing or sense experiencing a thought where your gut 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.600 went to the ground, like, this is sum's not right 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.320 that whatever yours may be mine was within our group, 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:39.199 but what was yours? 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:41.199 Well, honestly, and that. 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:42.520 Could beat a dead horse. 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:44.119 Because I feel like this is the only narrative that 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.000 has ever told about me, was that first time we 0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:49.960 came together. We didn't even have a name of our group, 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:54.960 yet we had been We were chosen in November of 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.400 two thousand, November fifteenth. 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.320 Remember that's our LLC. You know that. I know that 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.760 Dawn suit our LLC and her contract in her lawsuit. 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:07.280 I saw that it's not even an active LLC by 0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:08.600 the way, But anyway. 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:12.560 Right, it's also my sister's birthday, so shout out to 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:13.040 my sisters. 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:20.520 So I remember we came. We came back together. 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:24.480 For the first time at Johnny Wright's compound to do 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:28.040 a performance for NBA All Star Week, and we had 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.920 no material. We had no We were trying to heart. 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:31.240 Yeah. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.600 This is when he was shaming you, body shaming you. 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.720 Yes, And it came. It came out of nowhere because 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:42.600 literally right before they turned on the camera the zoom 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:44.920 or what was the skype at the time. 0:23:45.680 --> 0:23:48.280 Everybody was like, damn, your body is saying you had 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:49.280 a twelve pack. 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.760 We were just you were like I was leading the 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:55.399 workout warm up with everybody. 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.040 I was like, Okay, we're gonna do this. I do 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:57.600 these mondays. 0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.159 You have a body to everybody in the industry, we 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:01.959 bought in order to become famous. 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:07.199 It's wild, yeah, and in my face, you know. And 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:10.199 it was just it was just left field. And I 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.639 remember like I had to bite my tongue because I 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.520 was like, like I said, I was ready with the comebacks, 0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:17.400 but I wouldn't. 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.720 I was trying to be respectful, and it was. 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:21.760 Just so left field. It was like, why would he 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:22.399 say that to me? 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:24.280 Why would he why would he go that far? 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.560 Like at first I was laughing it off, but he 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.040 started going further and further and further, and at that 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:31.560 at that point. 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.600 I could tell he was on something. You know, he 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:35.760 was high on something. 0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:38.479 He was getting off on it, and he kept going 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.200 and going. I remember it was like he was getting 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.199 off on continuing the jokes. He had done that to 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:45.880 me and I got brown hair, Like, who the fuck 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:47.480 is I don't even recognize who that was. 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:48.159 I remember that. 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.040 Yeah, he made me go into Orbey's bowl and then 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.440 Orbaye uh fried all my hair off and then had 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.600 to put a head full of extensions on me because 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.280 they burnt all my hair off. That would be crazy. 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:00.680 I stopped La Sorbe. 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:03.560 I was never able to wear my hair natural, so 0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:05.800 my heir, I remember that where I. 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:10.760 Created my He hated what black women wearing their natural hair. 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.160 He always wanted your hair slick down, the middle parted 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:19.560 and flat, flat ironed. I remember he always hated that 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.000 about the beauty standard that he expected of you. I 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.120 remember that being a consistent thing, right. 0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.320 And then when I came in with my hair cut 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:31.040 like that, he was just like, but it was too late. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:36.120 We had to go off stage like they're like, k God, so. 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.480 Time, okay, So this is more of. 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:42.879 A because we're just going back for a hot second. Yeah. 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:47.399 I do remember Leola, our director, coming to me and 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:51.480 telling me that how disgusting that really was somebody's outside 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.240 eye being able to see that, see what he was doing, 0:25:55.400 --> 0:25:58.000 and see what he was doing to a young young woman, 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.159 and how disgusting it was, to the point where she 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.960 told her cameras to stand down and shut it off. 0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.760 And I remember telling Shannon once. 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:08.360 Again, I don't know. Me and Shannon always had these 0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:10.560 side conversations because. 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.679 She was She's good inside, she's good inside conversations. She 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:14.400 does them well. 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.560 She was like, oh my god, Oh, I can't believe 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.439 he did that. That was so you don't know, so 0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.680 wrong on the other And I remember telling him. I'm 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.359 telling Shannon, I said, don't worry about it. He's gonna 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:27.560 have some daughters one day. 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:29.919 And I had no idea. 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.640 Yeah. And Dean, now he has them in court listening 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.800 to how Daddy liked to swing it, slap it and 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.800 roll it all around. He has them in court for 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:44.119 Optic's sake, listening listening to Cassie's testimony. In the beginning, 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:48.120 they haven't been in court consistently, a bit opted out 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:52.919 but that's how much the consideration of the he'll have 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.880 daughters one day line really got as far as it got. 0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.960 But speaking of something you just said, Leola, because she 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:04.760 also protected me from many things as well. Even at 0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:08.199 her wedding years later she had said, like one of 0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.800 the top I think it was the biggest time she 0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.280 ever had to kind of betray herself as a producer. 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.320 Was a situation that happened with me and her having 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.240 to bring me back into something. Because this leads into 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:27.200 my next question, how do you feel about coersion, force, 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:35.760 body shaming, humiliation tactics that they called reality TV being 0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:40.240 sold as a standard and mostly a lot of times 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.560 as a comedy. It was funny when he made all 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.960 the guys and girls walked to Brooklyn for cheesecake but 0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.679 technically having a bunch of black folks walk to Brooklyn. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.080 Babs said she got tendon itis or developed something in 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.280 her late like an to go to the hospital. And 0:27:58.320 --> 0:27:59.879 then the next day he was like you went to 0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:01.720 the hospital and she was like yeah, thinking she was 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.520 going to get some like like good job or I'm 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.320 so sorry or dan I was hectic, and he was 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.000 like cool, so you want to go home? Then like 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.920 it wasn't cool to you and and I told Dad's damn. 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.280 I mean we had versions of that, but our versions 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.600 were like, woke us up at six am. I had 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.960 to sing Whitney Houston in front of eighteen people would 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:22.000 no warm up, then run to here. Then we had 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.159 to run Central Park until somebody dropped and then they 0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:27.040 would go home one or two people. Then we had 0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:28.480 to go to that dance thing where he was just 0:28:28.560 --> 0:28:32.480 dropping people like live like all of these things that 0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.080 are not normal. Nobody in the industry that's a famous 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.200 artist had. Taylor Swift did not have to do any 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.840 of that. And I don't know what everybody you know. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.160 I'm not here to talk about everyone else's story, but 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:44.880 a lot of things that we did that are not 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:50.200 mandatory requirements yet. I sometimes look at past Leola because 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.280 Leola saved us. But when that moment happened with you, 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.080 shame on him. I'm glad there was a producer there 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.520 to help you with mentally in that mental health sense. 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.840 But who over at the larger companies decided to air 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:11.560 it exactly and who decided to air it as an 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.880 issue of yours right? 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:18.040 And I remember being talked to buy. Some of the 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.160 other producers I won't name them, and I remember them 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.560 telling me, well, you don't really have a struggle, and 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.760 we want people to be able to relate to you, 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.320 so we wanted to bring that up. 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:33.760 And I was like, but it's not a struggle of mind. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:34.680 Don't create. 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.560 Don't fabricate an issue. 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.320 And I was like, there are real issues. 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:42.400 There are real challenges that we are really having. You 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.240 don't have to fabricate something and create a body issue. 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.960 And I had to walk around the real world and 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:50.760 people stop. 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:52.920 I know. I felt like, why don't we just come 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.680 on the cameras and talk about what don said about you? 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:57.600 And she forgot to turn off her phone. That's a 0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:03.560 great episode of television instead of calling you overway burgers overweight. 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.600 I mean, you have the house waist side of everybody 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:08.400 there and an eight pack or twelve pound don't know. 0:30:08.440 --> 0:30:10.400 You got a lot of little squares on your stomach. 0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.520 And he had me doing the extracurricular workouts by myself. 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:16.600 I remember him pulling me into the in said the 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:17.280 office one. 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:20.240 Time after he had me working out by myself extracurricula, 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.080 and he was like, oh, what are you doing running 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.000 on the treadmill, will waist in your arms, And I 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:29.240 was just like, well, my body develops muscle, and anything 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:30.280 that made too much sense. 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:31.480 He wanted to cut you off. 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:33.200 And hear it, you know what I'm saying. I was like, 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:36.840 my body developed muscle quickly, Like I remember meeting Serena 0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:40.480 Williams not too long after that, and I was just like, girl, 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:41.760 me and you, we shaped the same. 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:42.840 We just stay tight. 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:46.640 But she was like, yep, yep, these thighs they that's 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:47.440 what happens. 0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:50.600 Yeah, But but what's crazy is that ended up being 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.880 the beauty standard that every girl now is on tables 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:58.520 trying to get at plastic surgery offices. Tiny days, big beauty, 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.560 thick legs, like your arms are tiny, your waist is tiny. 0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:08.440 Like you, You're beautiful. You literally naturally have the entire 0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:12.440 body standard that has now become the thing that everybody 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:16.320 wants to purchase. And yet at that time, when I 0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:18.520 look back on all of it, like sometimes I wish 0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.960 could I wish they could just say sorry to us, 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.520 Like I know that they can't leave for legal reasons, 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.400 just because Dawn suing them. Sarah's suing them. You know, 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.400 she sued everyone she sued MTD, Viacom and everybody else 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.640 in her lawsuit. So did Sarah, but so so then 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:38.360 it becomes a situation where you gotta stay mom. But 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:43.280 like I wish, I wish that it's very clear that 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:45.680 we were in a very unhealthy situation and a lot 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.920 of people knew, let's stop acting like nobody was on 0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.720 set and nobody knew there were tars being thrown, there 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:55.120 were lawsuits occurring during the making of it. There was 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:58.800 temper tantrums, there was choking, there was people coming in 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:02.480 with fuck up faces hiding behind. But there was a 0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.719 lot of things going on that everybody saw while cameras 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.920 are their cameras down, like you said, one of our 0:32:08.920 --> 0:32:12.960 producers said, cameras down was probably the most frequent thing 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:15.800 I heard on that show on the production side, cameras down. 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.400 Whenever a behavior was getting out of hand, it was 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:21.880 the camera's down behavior. 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:23.640 Yeah. 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.200 So to me, it's like, at least if the editors 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:27.960 are watching it in a bay, there's got to be 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.200 some HR policy where you got to move it on 0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:33.000 up to the top and ask, hey, you know this 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.080 is part of HR on our side over here, when 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.880 this big corporation I don't think this is okay. But 0:32:40.120 --> 0:32:43.480 like even you know, knowing after seeing that lawsuit and 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.800 knowing all the things like Makua had told me, you know, 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.880 allegedly like down knew who was going home that day 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.280 in the room when I was fired and then you 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:58.000 were fired after Oh yeah, second, when you watch it 0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:03.080 back the you know, it was like the whole presentation, 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:06.560 it was completely uneven when we walked into that room, 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:10.160 like there is some people were styled with makeup and 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.080 hair g looks, and the rest of us just did 0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.680 it at home and showed up. But like when I 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.920 go back and I watched those things, and then I 0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.120 go back and I see like three parts and Nowey's 0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:22.560 that Sway was hosting where Diddy's in Miami and a 0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:24.600 towel probably just got out of a freak op or 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:26.360 maybe he's about to get into one. Maybe he was 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.000 watching one at that point for fuck's sake, And he's 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:32.719 sitting there berating me, laughing, and I was just sitting 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.320 I think you decided not to come back. The other 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.480 three were on the couch and the only person and 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.200 I wasn't even clos with her. Then Shannon reached out 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.920 and grabbed my hand and held my hand because it 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:47.000 was like I was just getting beaten up, like psychotically 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:51.000 beaten up for what it was the same question. Do 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.280 you think Danny Kane was to blame for the demise 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:55.160 of Dannity Kane? 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:56.280 Absolutely not? 0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.600 Okay, moving forward? Do you think any one person the 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:01.880 demise of Danity Kane? 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:03.400 Sean p Di dy Kom. 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:07.680 Is there anyone in Danity Kane that caused the demise 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:10.400 of Danity Kane or was aware of the demise of 0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.800 Danity Kane before Danity Kane was aware? 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.200 Yes, I do believe that. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.480 I believe God knew, and I believe thank you. 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:23.920 Do you think there was already asked you that? Okay, 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.400 Oh no, you haven't really watched the trial. Question. Do 0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.799 you think the verdict, whether he gets offt or goes in, 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.440 do either of those verdicts make a significant shift in 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:36.400 the music industry. 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.359 I think it will make a shift, but how much 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:41.200 of a shift. 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:42.839 Or how much more careful I. 0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.359 Don't know if it will change anything because so many 0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:50.480 people are in kahoots and so many people are benefit 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.080 off of the way things are, you know what I mean, 0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.000 And I think people will just get more careful. They 0:34:57.000 --> 0:34:59.720 won't change for the better, They'll just get more careful. 0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.800 They'll watch their technology a bit better. 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:09.239 Right, and and and it might even mean that more 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:14.920 victims are ostracized and black balled as we were, you 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:15.279 know what I mean. 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:18.640 Instead of doing right by us, we just were ice. 0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:20.960 We were just thrown to those to the wayside. 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.200 Do you believe many people will be in danger if 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.440 he gets off on most of this? 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.400 Yeah, including us two? Correct? 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.239 Okay? And then what does justice feel like for you? 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.160 What do you want to see happen? What would what 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.840 would bring the final a final piece of piece. I 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:52.799 don't like to see, say the final, because I think 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.600 it's going to be a process till the day we 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:59.399 die to untangle what was put on us at such 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.840 an impact full time. I'm still untangling. I mean, I 0:36:03.000 --> 0:36:05.319 just learned that my dand mate was involved in all 0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.640 kinds of really hectic things that carried the shit out 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.200 of me. I don't know, even though I thought I 0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:13.400 thought we all went through it together, I didn't realize 0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.440 that we were there were actors or acting going on. 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:21.120 I just I really just thought it. You know, we 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:22.960 know who this one was, we know the one which 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:24.840 was temperamental. We know the one that was messy. We 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.600 know that this well, like I didn't understand there was 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:33.640 so much aspiration occurring around us. I saw it sometimes 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.200 in the girlfriends, but I didn't see it in our group. 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:40.800 So it's like the amount of deception that I feel 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.000 is like who are these people? And when I talked 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:46.680 to Drey, she was like, what the fuck is all 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:47.080 of this? 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:50.759 Yeah, like you said, we were in it. 0:36:50.960 --> 0:36:54.040 So like seeing the forest for the trees right now 0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:59.680 is a big thing, Like wow, like kind sizing twenty twenty, 0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.960 it ain't even twenty twenty because we're learning new facts 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:08.680 and then things that we physically subconsciously you know, no, 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:12.720 and it's coming to the surface now. So like mental 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.000 health is a big thing in my production. That's that 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:20.000 I'm getting ready to present here in New York at 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:20.760 the Public Theater. 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.160 And tell me about that real quick. Get your plug 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:24.759 in because I want everyone to go support you. 0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:31.560 Yes, June twenty eighth, This coming Saturday at nine thirty 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:36.360 PM or six thirty West Coast times. I have a 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.840 global live stream if you're not in New York. 0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:39.799 And I at it. 0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.840 Yeah, yeah, I wanted to open up open it up 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:44.160 as much as I could. 0:37:44.200 --> 0:37:45.479 I hope people could be in the room. 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.040 The name of the the name of the show is 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:49.240 My living Room Self. 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.759 And that is from a director that I worked. 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:56.000 With, the named Tom Jones, and I worked with him 0:37:56.600 --> 0:38:02.080 on Candy Burris's production Love You were great and I 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.080 thank you, and Tom Zones would come into rehearsal saying, 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:08.040 I want your living room self, I want your extreme. 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:08.439 Living room self. 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.799 He was very animated, you know, but he wanted us 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.600 to have the freedom. He wanted us to take off 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.840 all of the judgment, all of the perfectionism, all the 0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.719 things that we're afraid to do, afraid to be, you know, 0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:23.000 like critique. And that's exactly what we went through doing 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:23.560 making a band. 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.520 Like okay, sorry, let me ask you in this performance 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.040 are you are you wearing no makeup? 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:28.239 Then? 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.640 Because there's no makeup in the living room, girl. 0:38:31.560 --> 0:38:35.920 I've taken it. I'm taking it off. Yes, you will 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:38.359 see us stripping down. Is it is? 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.640 You know? You get your last If I come visit 0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.120 your living room, I'll take off the lashes. 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:46.399 Take off the last, take off, your bral take off. 0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:48.279 So I don't have a bra and I never have 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:48.760 a bra. 0:38:49.200 --> 0:38:52.960 It's basically trying to reclaim that most authentic version of 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.480 yourself after all of the all the chips on your shoulder, 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.399 after all of the you know, toxic voices in your head, 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:04.040 all the all the ways you've been pooned and picked 0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:07.680 that and position and the way that we show up 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.759 and the way that we're standing is so natural. It's 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:11.440 like we're holding our breast. But when you come into 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.399 the living room, you're able to let your guard down, 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:14.680 You free yourself. 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:17.960 Yeah, well I do want to. You're just making me 0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.920 jump to one story. One of the last times we spoke, 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.319 you were talking, I had gotten an Afi David that 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:28.160 was I can't talk about it, but I received an 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:32.080 Affidavid that was horrible. I sent it to you to 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.280 ask you if you had remembered any of the detail 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.839 tails in any of it, recalled any of it. And 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.680 you were in Africa at the time, and you had 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:44.680 brought the dress or outfit that you had worn the David. 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.640 You were fired, yes, And I remember you were telling 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.560 me you were like how heavy it was, and like 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.839 you were kind of burning it on you burnt it 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:57.000 and left it there the ashes there right, Yeah, and 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.040 that you were kind of going to put whatever the 0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.080 spirit is of whatever that may be for me in 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:02.600 it too. 0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.799 Yeah, and my my spiritual advisor as we call him 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.080 our bah bah you know in Nigeria. 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.359 He because when you text me that, it was right 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:14.280 after we had done. 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.480 All of these you know, spiritual cleansing, you know, rituals 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.600 and things. I'm so sorry, No, no, no, it's okay. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.120 It's okay, because. 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.960 Everything happens for a reason, and everything happens in the 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:27.160 right timing. And I remember him telling me because I 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.160 broke down in tears and I was almost like I 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:29.879 don't want to go. 0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.520 Back, like when you read it, you read it. 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.120 I read it right there, and I ran out of 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:36.600 my room and I ran right to him and I 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.600 was like, this is what's happening. And he was telling me, 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.920 you know, even what we've done here is going to 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.560 protect her, It's going to protect both of me. 0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.080 And tell me and by the way, like I latched 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.560 onto that protection because I feel now more than ever, 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.040 especially after talking with Q, that there might be some 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.480 type of like bad energy sources that are trying to 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.120 invade our bubbles and invade our places, and that you 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.960 have to be careful of all kinds of. 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:08.239 Things, trust each other and make us, you know, go 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:09.160 into a show. 0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:11.600 Two questions. But I want to get to these quick 0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:13.839 trigger just quick ones because they're getting me times up. 0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:15.120 But I don't. I want to ask you all these 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:18.120 because they're funny, and I never got fun interviews. It's 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:22.360 always so stressful with this topic. But to clarify for 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.920 both you and I, why do you think I got fired? 0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:29.040 It was sexual harassment retaliation? That's my sportance. 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.600 Why do you think you got fired? 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.600 Because I was close to you and it was retaliation? 0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:41.000 Okay, So now here's the question. Games okay, and you 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.360 have to just quick trigger long, no long definitions, just 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:48.960 quick trigger first thing out your minds most outrageous rule 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:50.839 did he had for us? 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:53.399 Oh? My goodness, no. 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.920 Sleep for seventy two hours and longer? 0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:58.840 Who cried the most during making the band? 0:41:59.480 --> 0:41:59.840 Drea? 0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.520 Who got who got the most side eyes from Diddy? 0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:06.759 You know you may get side eyes? 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:08.040 You got direct eyes. 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:13.080 Direct hella directs? Who knew how to play that game? 0:42:14.080 --> 0:42:17.760 I say, Dawn, how did it feel to hear you're fired? 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:20.080 It was like oh? 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:22.759 And then actually say it in his words? You can 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.200 go too even worse. 0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.120 Yeah, you can get out. 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:31.440 Now, he said, you can go too. Yeah, like an afterthought. 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.239 Almost, it was like a gut punch. 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.759 I felt the hairs on the back of my neck, 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:40.680 like just like tangles and spines like yeah, okay. 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:46.719 Describe Diddy's energy in one word, toxic, craziest rumor you've 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:52.480 heard about Diddy back then. Oh, back then, it's just 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.600 a rumor. It's a legen. So you could say anything. 0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.160 You heard that back then. It was crazy, okay that. 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:04.360 He had off you know, Paige Officers, some NYPD running 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.239 around chasing j Lo to find her around New York City. 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:09.000 She was trying to get with him. 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:14.280 One thing we weren't allowed to do. That now sounds insane. 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.279 He said, one thing we were not allowed to do. 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:18.040 Yeah, that sounds insane. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.520 Shoot, one thing we were not allowed to do. 0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:27.680 I could name something. Go ahead, get na get paid? 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.560 Oh yes, get by. 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:34.200 How about where the wear my hair? 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:35.959 The wee grows out of my head? 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.120 There you go, there you go. Who do you think 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.480 scared him more? Us or the truth? 0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:42.600 The truth? 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:48.239 Your favorite member of d k abrio day you're mine too, 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.160 least favorite member of DK, which still means you like him, 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.400 but least say or maybe don't but least favorite. 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.320 Oh man, this feels like a beat up session. 0:43:57.920 --> 0:44:01.960 Now it's not there. These are just one of all 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.560 same mind a few sayers, Okay, say down? 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:06.840 I agree. 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.200 Were all the Pussycat Dolls microphones on when we would 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:11.960 tour with them? 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.520 I don't know, but I know Nicole shares ingers Mike 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.120 is going right now on Broadway, she is singing down. 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.799 Her mic was on. But on the days where we 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.960 would feel bad because we were watching watching our costume 0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:28.080 crotches in the sink because we didn't have multiple costumes 0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.560 like they did. Yeah, and we all put our in 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.920 ears together because we shared the same five networks. Do 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.520 you remember how we couldn't hear anything coming out of 0:44:39.520 --> 0:44:40.160 a few of them? 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.520 I just remember I remember Melanie Mellan, Meloany Thornton's might 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.960 being on, Might being on. 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:52.200 Yes, exactly, and everybody else's I didn't hear. And then 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.479 did they have a vocal pitch rig? 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:55.399 They did? 0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:56.480 Did they have one? 0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:57.200 Did they? 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:57.560 We? 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.960 Everybody knows we didn't? Did they? Okay? 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:02.160 Did? 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.279 Who is the last you K member you spoke to you? 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.479 Which DK performance lives rent free in your head? 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:17.680 Rent free for other reasons, but. 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.839 The one when I invited my boyfriend and I got 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:23.719 him front roasting from roasting tickets, trying the basketball player guy, no, 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:25.479 the one that I. 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.520 Was the long term one. 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.200 Yeah, okay, okay, and he decided not to show up. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:32.360 Oh damn. 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.080 Those seats were empty in the front row as we 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:36.360 were performing live. 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:38.920 Rent free of all the iconic shit we did on 0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:41.680 stage that lives rent free. I'm so sorry, Mama. 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:43.239 That hurt the most. 0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.480 Because I felt like he was my refuse, you know 0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:47.120 what I'm saying, Like. 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:49.680 He's who I talked to the most, He's. 0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:54.440 Who the expression is allible things, and I just felt 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:57.160 abandoned and he just didn't show and it was it 0:45:57.239 --> 0:46:00.239 was jealousy on his part, like he was also he 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:03.480 was comforting me, but he was jealous of me at 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:04.360 the same time. 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.000 Which is the case of most women in this industry 0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:08.759 who missed the most rehearsals. 0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:10.560 It is between you and Don. 0:46:10.640 --> 0:46:14.440 I'm not afred. I was gonna say, no one. We 0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.520 weren't allowed to miss rehearsals. I don't. I mean, I 0:46:17.520 --> 0:46:20.480 think I missed some performances because of Broadway. Don took 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.160 off to go do dirty money stuff while we were 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.640 still doing Danity Kine. But rehearsals, we all had to 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:32.040 be in rehearsals. Yeah, I can't. It was just show. Yeah, okay, 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.920 who kept the group grounded when it got messy? Shannon, 0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:41.320 biggest diva moment you saw yours are someone. 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:42.560 Else's in the group. 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:43.520 Yeah. 0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.200 Oh, The biggest diva moment was when I fought so 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:51.000 hard to get my sister's song on the album in 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:55.480 My Heart, In my Heart and some people and Don 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:58.319 Andrea up and you know, do a fit and left 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:00.279 the studio and didn't want to record it and come 0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:01.280 back for like four hours. 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:03.600 But guess what, that man, you got all you got, 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:04.400 all the time you need. 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.640 I want to say it's my favorite song. I got 0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.040 so many parts on that song, and I love that song. 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.680 I still played said go ahead, take. 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:15.040 You and I did. That leaves you to my next question. 0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:19.160 Top three Danity Kane songs. Your top three favorite off 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.080 the dome? Top three favorite? 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:22.320 The ones that we wrote. 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:27.839 Picture is top three, pe to my Heart, strip Cy's 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:29.879 Mary Brown because she allowed us to. 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.200 Write on Okay, so strip Tease, keet to my Heart. 0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:33.960 What's your third one? 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:34.600 Picture? 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.480 It is because we wrote that poem together. 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:41.200 I love picture. Okay, would you ever go on tour 0:47:41.440 --> 0:47:44.000 with all five members of Danity Kane? 0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:47.239 Again, I don't think it would be a good I 0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.640 don't think that would be a good situation. I'm going 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:50.120 forward with you. 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.319 I'll go on tour with you too, obviously, but the 0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:54.560 five is the question. 0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.720 No, I don't think that would be good. 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:02.040 After the trial to know for me as well, But you, 0:48:03.239 --> 0:48:11.120 Drea Shan, I'm fine. Who surprised you the most that's 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.400 been speaking out about the Diddy trial or Diddy in 0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:19.600 general recently. I'm actually surprised that don't spoke out if 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.320 Diddy called today? Are you answering? 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.719 Now, we're not a lawyer present it a whiteyard. 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.600 Who's more likely to survive a scandal? A boy band 0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:34.400 or a girl group. Let's say Dannity Kane. 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:38.960 A boy band, and why because they're boys. 0:48:40.719 --> 0:48:43.640 They just forgive and overlook the boy's behavior. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:50.760 So girls don't really run the world, do they? No, 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:54.240 Beyonce tried it. She tried to give us some self esteem, 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.719 But we don't really run the world. Let's be real. 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.680 Yeah, we we have a power, and that's why there's 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:05.080 such a backlash against women because we are so powerful. 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:09.320 So that is why there is so much effort to 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:14.719 contain and you know, oppress us because we are powerful. Yeah, 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.640 I'm trying to silence something that you're not threatened by. 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:24.000 Correct. Okay, One word Shannon, one word for Shannon Mother, 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.839 one word for Drea. If it's like a double word, 0:49:27.960 --> 0:49:32.320 it's gonna a double word. But one thought for Drea, Sia. 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:38.719 Hair, one thought for me. 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:51.040 Live Wire, one thought for uh Dawn mm hmm, mask, 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:56.680 one thought for you, abundance. 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:03.440 Yeah, okay, and my last question finished the sentence. Danity 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.440 Kane was never just about Vanity. 0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.879 Caye, was never just about a TV show. 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:16.400 Or music to listen to. 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:27.799 For me, it was a really hard life lesson in 0:50:28.000 --> 0:50:31.040 many different things, in who I am as an artist, 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:34.239 who I am as a professional, who I am as 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:36.440 a you know, business person? 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.359 And yet it was a. 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.000 It was a real growing up moment. 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:47.720 Let me ask you this, Did meeting Diddy change your life? 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:48.480 Yeah? 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.200 Do you think you would have a more enjoyable life 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:56.040 if you had never met him? Yes? Do you think 0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:01.040 that there are things that you experienced under him that 0:51:01.120 --> 0:51:02.600 you will forever be healing from? 0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:03.919 Yes? 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.560 Do you feel like during your time there you felt 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:16.239 versions of force, coercion, manipulation, extortion. I mean it's kind 0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:19.040 of like all the albums we did and didn't get 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:19.560 paid for. 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.239 But yeah, financial abuse. 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:28.200 Financial abuse, body shaming, all of the things. Did you 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.120 feel all that you experienced all of those things in 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:32.000 your time there? 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:33.400 Yes? 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:39.799 Would you take Danity Kane back from the world if 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.879 you had the opportunity, knowing what you know now to 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:44.640 not have gone an auditioned for it? 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:48.920 Oh, that's a really hard question. 0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:51.239 You think about it because I only want to guess 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:56.520 or a no. To be honest, you don't have to 0:51:56.560 --> 0:51:57.480 live for anyone but you. 0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:02.160 I would take it back for me, hands down. But 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.400 for for the people and for the people who are 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:10.839 continue to meet and who have wonderful memories and experiences, 0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.880 and who were inspired and who continue to be inspired 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:17.160 even through all of this that's happening. They are inspired 0:52:17.840 --> 0:52:23.280 and speed strength and see you know the bigger picture 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.840 in ways that it affects their life, Like it's great 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:28.759 for them. 0:52:29.200 --> 0:52:33.240 But does all of their joy combined make it worse 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.200 your pain? Mmmm? 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:38.680 It has it hasn't. 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:39.799 It hasn't paid up yet? 0:52:42.360 --> 0:52:43.719 The words thank you so much. 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.719 I love you, sir, thank you, Bye bye bab.