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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Didty Trial.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, this is Aubrey O Day and you're listening

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Speaker 1: to TJ and Amy presents Aubrey o'da v covering the

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Speaker 1: Diddy Trial Today. I have on my savesy member of

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Speaker 1: d K. I can't even believe it. Ebanie and Ivory

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Speaker 1: is what they used to call us on the show

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Speaker 1: de Woods. How are you, Heyara, Shit, we've been through

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 2: Huh oh yeah, oh yeah, we're got.

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Speaker 1: Hold on. Okay, So let's get down to the trial

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Speaker 1: stuff first and just get it out of the way.

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Speaker 1: I obviously have to follow literally transcripted transcripts all day long,

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Speaker 1: so I'm like overwhelmed with the amount of information that

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Speaker 1: I know. But as you, we both know, we knew

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Speaker 1: what was going on then, we knew what we saw,

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Speaker 1: we knew what the behavior was. We're learning all the

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Speaker 1: details in even more detail at this point. But from

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Speaker 1: what you and I'm assuming, I know you keep busy,

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Speaker 1: and I know you stay on the artistic side and

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Speaker 1: the creative side, so I can't imagine that your head

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Speaker 1: is fully into every little moment of this at all.

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Speaker 1: But just from what you've been able to observe, how

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Speaker 1: do you feel it's going and what is your instinct

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Speaker 1: when it comes to whether he's going to get off

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Speaker 1: or not. You know, prosecution is resting on Monday. Defense

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Speaker 1: is claiming they might just rest on Monday as well,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they'll give it a day and rest on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: But they're only putting up about a day or two

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Speaker 1: for his defense. Will you feel about that, and what

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Speaker 1: are the people around you feeling? And how are you

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Speaker 1: feeling about which way it's going to go?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Aurey, it's so nice to talk to you and

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Speaker 3: see your face this throughout throughout this journey, this part

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Speaker 3: of the journey.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I have not been following the trial.

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Speaker 2: I have tried, actually tried my.

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Speaker 3: Best to not follow it, just for mental health sake

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Speaker 3: and spiritual, you know, protection sake. It's really it's really triggering.

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Speaker 3: It's really you know, stomach turning. And even the people

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Speaker 3: around me, I think they have been taking care to

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Speaker 3: not bring it up to me because they.

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Speaker 2: Know how it would probably hearing.

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Speaker 3: The news and hearing the details. And I think even

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Speaker 3: like you know, parents and loved ones, they may even

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Speaker 3: feel a sense of guilt because in the time being,

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Speaker 3: nobody knew what we were really dealing with and what

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Speaker 3: atmosphere we were really in. And I think what people

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Speaker 3: wanted was for us to take advantage of this opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Just everybody, I'm just talking about the opportunity and the

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Speaker 3: chance and the dream.

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Speaker 2: And it was like we didn't even get questions.

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Speaker 1: Like are you safe exactly? Okay? That was that wasn't

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Speaker 1: in anyone's conversation. It was like, oh my god, what

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Speaker 1: does it feel to be around him? Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you're the luckiest person. Oh my god, you made it.

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Speaker 1: Like when all the girls that didn't make it that

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Speaker 1: were always a little salty along the way whenever we'd

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Speaker 1: run into them, like they look at us, like we're

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Speaker 1: so lucky, And as time moved forward, we would always

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Speaker 1: be like yeah, yeah, and then get back together like good,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of lucky you didn't make it, b okay.

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Speaker 3: And then the other thing is like, you know, people

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Speaker 3: telling us how to how to be smart about the situation.

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Speaker 2: You got to be business minded, or there was another you.

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Speaker 3: Know take on it where people would basically blame us

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Speaker 3: for the predicament that we were in like, well, it

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Speaker 3: comes with the territory.

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Speaker 2: I mean you knew what you signed up for.

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Speaker 3: I mean you would, You're willing to do whatever to

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Speaker 3: get you know aim, you were willing.

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Speaker 2: To do what you need to do.

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Speaker 3: You know you can get, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, whatever you wanted.

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Speaker 1: You and I represent two very different where are very

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Speaker 1: different women from different places, grown up different ways. Did

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Speaker 1: you ever know any of the things that were going on?

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Speaker 1: Is that ever anything you wanted and what you knew

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Speaker 1: assuming the answer is absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: I mean same with me, but one of our band

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Speaker 1: members we learned otherwise about. But I know for you

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Speaker 1: as your roommate the entire time, that's not the energy

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Speaker 1: the closet you would go into not good acoustics. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like that's not where we me and you were at

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Speaker 1: me you weren't having those types of conversations. Unfortunately, as

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Speaker 1: start to enter the chat in our bedroom, like when

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Speaker 1: we would share our bedroom during you know, just so

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Speaker 1: everyone's clear we shared bedrooms because clearly did. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: really like to share his money a whole lot. And

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Speaker 1: so when they put us up, they would put everybody

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Speaker 1: in rooms together so they could save money. And it

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Speaker 1: was always Drea and Shannon, and it was always Dee

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Speaker 1: Woods and I and then Don was always.

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Speaker 3: By herself, right, well start remember it started out with

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Speaker 3: us kind of like rotating the single room like yeah,

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Speaker 3: being Don always taking the single room by herself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, conveniently. So speaking of Don, she took the stand,

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Speaker 1: I reported she showed up in a three piece suit, vest,

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Speaker 1: full blown blazer, diamonds on the collar, something a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: the lawyer as good as hers. What absolutely advise isn't

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Speaker 1: the look you know, Cassie's she's worth millions, and she

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Speaker 1: still played it low key on the stand. She could

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Speaker 1: have come from Edgeite and Versace. You're not really the

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Speaker 1: kind of common knowledge in law just growing up with

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Speaker 1: lawyers is you don't wear name brands when you're on

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Speaker 1: the stand testifying as a victim. You don't style yourself,

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Speaker 1: you don't present yourself. You just stay hump. Everything is

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Speaker 1: a visual and an optic in a courtroom, like Cassie's

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Speaker 1: pregnant belly, but they didn't want anyone to see, like

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Speaker 1: Puff's gray hair. Everything is optics, like the eight Pack

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Speaker 1: of White Women, which was Diddy's attorney's big statement to

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Speaker 1: the media when it first came out. That's what he's

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Speaker 1: up against. Optics or everything in a courtroom. And I

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Speaker 1: saw her go in, I immediately was like, oh no.

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Speaker 1: And then because I'm familiar with her character, I was

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Speaker 1: assuming I was. I honestly was hoping that it would

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Speaker 1: convince me and that I could feel like some relief,

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Speaker 1: I've had that she's possibly capable of. And then as

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Speaker 1: after Cassie, directly after, like, that's a pretty big seat

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Speaker 1: they caught her in a series of depositions, telling a

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Speaker 1: story seven different ways. So I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: read about any of that. It was reported widely everywhere

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Speaker 1: that she had inconsistent testimony and kind of came off

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Speaker 1: in court is not credible. Did you hear about that?

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Speaker 3: I did not hear about her credibility and how she

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Speaker 3: on a particular day, And you know, I was just

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Speaker 3: I was getting a lot of text messages, not direct

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Speaker 3: text messages, but just people saying, thinking of you, You're

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Speaker 3: so strong, are you good?

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Speaker 2: You know, That's all I would getting.

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Speaker 3: So I knew something must be happening because I was

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Speaker 3: getting those kind of messages.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So when her civil case came out, it had

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things in there, but I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things that kind of were on making

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Speaker 1: the band episodes. We weren't able to We didn't eat

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Speaker 1: was unhealthy, She was forced to stay up long hours,

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Speaker 1: she wasn't paid for her music. And then she feels

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Speaker 1: that during a fitting that he was touching on her

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Speaker 1: in a sexual way as they were trying to fit

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Speaker 1: the outfits of her body. Those were the basis kind

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Speaker 1: of of what I understood the lawsuit to be suing for,

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Speaker 1: which are things all of us sperience. I never felt

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Speaker 1: I never felt he was doing it in a sexual way.

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Speaker 1: So I can't speak for me personally. I never felt it.

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Speaker 1: I felt like he was coming in doing his regular

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Speaker 1: I want those titties up, I want to ask out

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Speaker 1: cut those shorter, I want the belly to show like

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Speaker 1: he wanted us to be sexy girl group girls. But

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Speaker 1: I didn't feel like he was getting He wasn't hard

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Speaker 1: while he was doing it. It wasn't It didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like a sexual exchange to me. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you experienced something like that, did you. I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't feel the sexual exchange, or maybe I just was,

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Speaker 3: and so it's like things that don't even know it

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Speaker 3: was normal. Yeah, it was very boss is. You don't

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Speaker 3: be talk to me. But what I did experience was,

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Speaker 3: like you said, was the demeaning, dehumanizing, like gentrification. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just really feeling like I'm just like a piece of meat.

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Speaker 2: Just feeling like I'm.

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Speaker 3: Being tossed to and fro and you no consideration of like.

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Speaker 2: Our humanity and and just.

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Speaker 3: Really taking care of like the people who are on.

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Speaker 2: We're also to be on the same team.

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Speaker 3: And he really treated us like we were Like he

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Speaker 3: said to us several different times, you are are not

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Speaker 3: remember that specifically, that comment from you want to know.

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Speaker 1: What I keep hearing in testimony or in voice messages

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Speaker 1: baby girl, baby girl. That has me Every time I

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Speaker 1: hear it, I get chills, because baby girl, what do

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Speaker 1: you think this is? Well? What the fuck is this?

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Speaker 1: What is that? Oh? So your baby girl, let me

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Speaker 1: get let me tell you this right now though this

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Speaker 1: is what the fuck's now? The baby girl line is

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Speaker 1: almost like bitch, yeah, like it's it's so yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because it does. It doesn't sound as horrible as bitch.

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Speaker 1: But that baby girl stits stuck out to me when

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Speaker 1: I kept hearing it with the girlfriends, because I was like,

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Speaker 1: he said that to us all the time, and it

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Speaker 1: was right before he was about to let us know

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Speaker 1: what direction we needed to be coerced into.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when he wanted us to call him daddy,

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Speaker 3: and he told us to call him daddy.

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Speaker 1: I think so, I even remember King and a few

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Speaker 1: other things I remember. I remember we went somewhere in Miami,

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Speaker 1: maybe like an NBA All Star weekend or something, and

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Speaker 1: there were girls in the limo with us, and we

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Speaker 1: were laughing about like Puff's taste and who he had

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Speaker 1: and I was, and then he got pissy, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: he like popped off pretty hard with all of that

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Speaker 1: the King stuff, talking about he can ride on the

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Speaker 1: backs of humans in Dubai and he can order, you know,

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Speaker 1: like it got very It turned into I'm King and

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Speaker 1: I could make anything happen, so watchers like, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: I can't do. It is the way that the rant

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Speaker 1: went on. Yes, So when I hear them now calling

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Speaker 1: them wild King Knights, I was like, oh, that's you know,

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Speaker 1: we went from freak offs the Hotel Knights, now this

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Speaker 1: new girl it's wild King Knights. It all sounds about

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Speaker 1: We made it. Also, if all five of us, if

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like this is the only narrative that

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Speaker 1: Remember that's our LLC. You know that. I know that

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Speaker 3: For the first time at Johnny Wright's compound to do

439
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: a performance for NBA All Star Week, and we had

440
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: no material. We had no We were trying to heart.

441
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

442
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: This is when he was shaming you, body shaming you.

443
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: Yes, And it came. It came out of nowhere because

444
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: literally right before they turned on the camera the zoom

445
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: or what was the skype at the time.

446
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: Everybody was like, damn, your body is saying you had

447
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: a twelve pack.

448
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: We were just you were like I was leading the

449
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 2: workout warm up with everybody.

450
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, we're gonna do this. I do

451
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: these mondays.

452
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: You have a body to everybody in the industry, we

453
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: bought in order to become famous.

454
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 3: It's wild, yeah, and in my face, you know. And

455
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 3: it was just it was just left field. And I

456
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 3: remember like I had to bite my tongue because I

457
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: was like, like I said, I was ready with the comebacks,

458
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't.

459
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: I was trying to be respectful, and it was.

460
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: Just so left field. It was like, why would he

461
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 3: say that to me?

462
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: Why would he why would he go that far?

463
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: Like at first I was laughing it off, but he

464
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: started going further and further and further, and at that

465
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: at that point.

466
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: I could tell he was on something. You know, he

467
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: was high on something.

468
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: He was getting off on it, and he kept going

469
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: and going. I remember it was like he was getting

470
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: off on continuing the jokes. He had done that to

471
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: me and I got brown hair, Like, who the fuck

472
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: is I don't even recognize who that was.

473
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: I remember that.

474
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made me go into Orbey's bowl and then

475
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: Orbaye uh fried all my hair off and then had

476
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: to put a head full of extensions on me because

477
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: they burnt all my hair off. That would be crazy.

478
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: I stopped La Sorbe.

479
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 3: I was never able to wear my hair natural, so

480
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: my heir, I remember that where I.

481
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Created my He hated what black women wearing their natural hair.

482
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: He always wanted your hair slick down, the middle parted

483
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: and flat, flat ironed. I remember he always hated that

484
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: about the beauty standard that he expected of you. I

485
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: remember that being a consistent thing, right.

486
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: And then when I came in with my hair cut

487
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: like that, he was just like, but it was too late.

488
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: We had to go off stage like they're like, k God, so.

489
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: Time, okay, So this is more of.

490
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 3: A because we're just going back for a hot second. Yeah.

491
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 3: I do remember Leola, our director, coming to me and

492
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 3: telling me that how disgusting that really was somebody's outside

493
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: eye being able to see that, see what he was doing,

494
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: and see what he was doing to a young young woman,

495
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: and how disgusting it was, to the point where she

496
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: told her cameras to stand down and shut it off.

497
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: And I remember telling Shannon once.

498
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know. Me and Shannon always had these

499
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: side conversations because.

500
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: She was She's good inside, she's good inside conversations. She

501
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: does them well.

502
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: She was like, oh my god, Oh, I can't believe

503
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 3: he did that. That was so you don't know, so

504
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: wrong on the other And I remember telling him. I'm

505
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: telling Shannon, I said, don't worry about it. He's gonna

506
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: have some daughters one day.

507
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: And I had no idea.

508
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Dean, now he has them in court listening

509
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: to how Daddy liked to swing it, slap it and

510
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: roll it all around. He has them in court for

511
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: Optic's sake, listening listening to Cassie's testimony. In the beginning,

512
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: they haven't been in court consistently, a bit opted out

513
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: but that's how much the consideration of the he'll have

514
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: daughters one day line really got as far as it got.

515
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: But speaking of something you just said, Leola, because she

516
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: also protected me from many things as well. Even at

517
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: her wedding years later she had said, like one of

518
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: the top I think it was the biggest time she

519
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: ever had to kind of betray herself as a producer.

520
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: Was a situation that happened with me and her having

521
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: to bring me back into something. Because this leads into

522
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: my next question, how do you feel about coersion, force,

523
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: body shaming, humiliation tactics that they called reality TV being

524
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: sold as a standard and mostly a lot of times

525
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: as a comedy. It was funny when he made all

526
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: the guys and girls walked to Brooklyn for cheesecake but

527
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: technically having a bunch of black folks walk to Brooklyn.

528
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: Babs said she got tendon itis or developed something in

529
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: her late like an to go to the hospital. And

530
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: then the next day he was like you went to

531
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: the hospital and she was like yeah, thinking she was

532
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: going to get some like like good job or I'm

533
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: so sorry or dan I was hectic, and he was

534
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: like cool, so you want to go home? Then like

535
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't cool to you and and I told Dad's damn.

536
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean we had versions of that, but our versions

537
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: were like, woke us up at six am. I had

538
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: to sing Whitney Houston in front of eighteen people would

539
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: no warm up, then run to here. Then we had

540
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: to run Central Park until somebody dropped and then they

541
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: would go home one or two people. Then we had

542
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: to go to that dance thing where he was just

543
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: dropping people like live like all of these things that

544
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: are not normal. Nobody in the industry that's a famous

545
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: artist had. Taylor Swift did not have to do any

546
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: of that. And I don't know what everybody you know.

547
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm not here to talk about everyone else's story, but

548
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: a lot of things that we did that are not

549
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: mandatory requirements yet. I sometimes look at past Leola because

550
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: Leola saved us. But when that moment happened with you,

551
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: shame on him. I'm glad there was a producer there

552
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: to help you with mentally in that mental health sense.

553
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: But who over at the larger companies decided to air

554
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: it exactly and who decided to air it as an

555
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: issue of yours right?

556
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: And I remember being talked to buy. Some of the

557
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: other producers I won't name them, and I remember them

558
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: telling me, well, you don't really have a struggle, and

559
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: we want people to be able to relate to you,

560
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: so we wanted to bring that up.

561
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, but it's not a struggle of mind.

562
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Don't create.

563
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: Don't fabricate an issue.

564
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: And I was like, there are real issues.

565
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: There are real challenges that we are really having. You

566
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: don't have to fabricate something and create a body issue.

567
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: And I had to walk around the real world and

568
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: people stop.

569
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I know. I felt like, why don't we just come

570
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: on the cameras and talk about what don said about you?

571
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: And she forgot to turn off her phone. That's a

572
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: great episode of television instead of calling you overway burgers overweight.

573
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the house waist side of everybody

574
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: there and an eight pack or twelve pound don't know.

575
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: You got a lot of little squares on your stomach.

576
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: And he had me doing the extracurricular workouts by myself.

577
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: I remember him pulling me into the in said the

578
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: office one.

579
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: Time after he had me working out by myself extracurricula,

580
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 3: and he was like, oh, what are you doing running

581
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: on the treadmill, will waist in your arms, And I

582
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: was just like, well, my body develops muscle, and anything

583
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: that made too much sense.

584
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: He wanted to cut you off.

585
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: And hear it, you know what I'm saying. I was like,

586
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: my body developed muscle quickly, Like I remember meeting Serena

587
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 3: Williams not too long after that, and I was just like, girl,

588
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: me and you, we shaped the same.

589
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: We just stay tight.

590
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: But she was like, yep, yep, these thighs they that's

591
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 3: what happens.

592
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, But but what's crazy is that ended up being

593
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: the beauty standard that every girl now is on tables

594
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: trying to get at plastic surgery offices. Tiny days, big beauty,

595
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: thick legs, like your arms are tiny, your waist is tiny.

596
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: Like you, You're beautiful. You literally naturally have the entire

597
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: body standard that has now become the thing that everybody

598
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: wants to purchase. And yet at that time, when I

599
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: look back on all of it, like sometimes I wish

600
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: could I wish they could just say sorry to us,

601
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: Like I know that they can't leave for legal reasons,

602
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: just because Dawn suing them. Sarah's suing them. You know,

603
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: she sued everyone she sued MTD, Viacom and everybody else

604
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: in her lawsuit. So did Sarah, but so so then

605
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: it becomes a situation where you gotta stay mom. But

606
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: like I wish, I wish that it's very clear that

607
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: we were in a very unhealthy situation and a lot

608
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: of people knew, let's stop acting like nobody was on

609
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: set and nobody knew there were tars being thrown, there

610
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: were lawsuits occurring during the making of it. There was

611
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: temper tantrums, there was choking, there was people coming in

612
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: with fuck up faces hiding behind. But there was a

613
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: lot of things going on that everybody saw while cameras

614
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: are their cameras down, like you said, one of our

615
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: producers said, cameras down was probably the most frequent thing

616
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I heard on that show on the production side, cameras down.

617
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Whenever a behavior was getting out of hand, it was

618
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: the camera's down behavior.

619
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

620
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: So to me, it's like, at least if the editors

621
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: are watching it in a bay, there's got to be

622
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: some HR policy where you got to move it on

623
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: up to the top and ask, hey, you know this

624
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: is part of HR on our side over here, when

625
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: this big corporation I don't think this is okay. But

626
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: like even you know, knowing after seeing that lawsuit and

627
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: knowing all the things like Makua had told me, you know,

628
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: allegedly like down knew who was going home that day

629
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: in the room when I was fired and then you

630
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: were fired after Oh yeah, second, when you watch it

631
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: back the you know, it was like the whole presentation,

632
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: it was completely uneven when we walked into that room,

633
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: like there is some people were styled with makeup and

634
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: hair g looks, and the rest of us just did

635
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: it at home and showed up. But like when I

636
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: go back and I watched those things, and then I

637
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: go back and I see like three parts and Nowey's

638
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: that Sway was hosting where Diddy's in Miami and a

639
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: towel probably just got out of a freak op or

640
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe he's about to get into one. Maybe he was

641
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: watching one at that point for fuck's sake, And he's

642
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: sitting there berating me, laughing, and I was just sitting

643
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I think you decided not to come back. The other

644
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: three were on the couch and the only person and

645
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't even clos with her. Then Shannon reached out

646
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: and grabbed my hand and held my hand because it

647
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: was like I was just getting beaten up, like psychotically

648
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: beaten up for what it was the same question. Do

649
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: you think Danny Kane was to blame for the demise

650
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: of Dannity Kane?

651
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely not?

652
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay, moving forward? Do you think any one person the

653
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: demise of Danity Kane?

654
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: Sean p Di dy Kom.

655
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in Danity Kane that caused the demise

656
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: of Danity Kane or was aware of the demise of

657
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: Danity Kane before Danity Kane was aware?

658
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I do believe that.

659
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: I believe God knew, and I believe thank you.

660
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: Do you think there was already asked you that? Okay,

661
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, you haven't really watched the trial. Question. Do

662
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: you think the verdict, whether he gets offt or goes in,

663
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: do either of those verdicts make a significant shift in

664
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: the music industry.

665
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: I think it will make a shift, but how much

666
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: of a shift.

667
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 2: Or how much more careful I.

668
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: Don't know if it will change anything because so many

669
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: people are in kahoots and so many people are benefit

670
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: off of the way things are, you know what I mean,

671
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: And I think people will just get more careful. They

672
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: won't change for the better, They'll just get more careful.

673
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: They'll watch their technology a bit better.

674
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: Right, and and and it might even mean that more

675
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: victims are ostracized and black balled as we were, you

676
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

677
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: Instead of doing right by us, we just were ice.

678
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: We were just thrown to those to the wayside.

679
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: Do you believe many people will be in danger if

680
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: he gets off on most of this?

681
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, including us two? Correct?

682
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Okay? And then what does justice feel like for you?

683
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: What do you want to see happen? What would what

684
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: would bring the final a final piece of piece. I

685
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: don't like to see, say the final, because I think

686
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be a process till the day we

687
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: die to untangle what was put on us at such

688
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: an impact full time. I'm still untangling. I mean, I

689
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: just learned that my dand mate was involved in all

690
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: kinds of really hectic things that carried the shit out

691
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know, even though I thought I

692
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: thought we all went through it together, I didn't realize

693
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: that we were there were actors or acting going on.

694
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: I just I really just thought it. You know, we

695
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: know who this one was, we know the one which

696
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: was temperamental. We know the one that was messy. We

697
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: know that this well, like I didn't understand there was

698
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: so much aspiration occurring around us. I saw it sometimes

699
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: in the girlfriends, but I didn't see it in our group.

700
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: So it's like the amount of deception that I feel

701
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: is like who are these people? And when I talked

702
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: to Drey, she was like, what the fuck is all

703
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: of this?

704
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, we were in it.

705
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 3: So like seeing the forest for the trees right now

706
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: is a big thing, Like wow, like kind sizing twenty twenty,

707
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: it ain't even twenty twenty because we're learning new facts

708
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 3: and then things that we physically subconsciously you know, no,

709
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 3: and it's coming to the surface now. So like mental

710
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: health is a big thing in my production. That's that

711
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: I'm getting ready to present here in New York at

712
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: the Public Theater.

713
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: And tell me about that real quick. Get your plug

714
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: in because I want everyone to go support you.

715
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: Yes, June twenty eighth, This coming Saturday at nine thirty

716
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 3: PM or six thirty West Coast times. I have a

717
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: global live stream if you're not in New York.

718
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: And I at it.

719
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wanted to open up open it up

720
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: as much as I could.

721
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 2: I hope people could be in the room.

722
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: The name of the the name of the show is

723
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: My living Room Self.

724
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: And that is from a director that I worked.

725
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: With, the named Tom Jones, and I worked with him

726
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: on Candy Burris's production Love You were great and I

727
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: thank you, and Tom Zones would come into rehearsal saying,

728
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: I want your living room self, I want your extreme.

729
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 2: Living room self.

730
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: He was very animated, you know, but he wanted us

731
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 3: to have the freedom. He wanted us to take off

732
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: all of the judgment, all of the perfectionism, all the

733
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: things that we're afraid to do, afraid to be, you know,

734
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 3: like critique. And that's exactly what we went through doing

735
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: making a band.

736
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Like okay, sorry, let me ask you in this performance

737
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: are you are you wearing no makeup?

738
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: Then?

739
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: Because there's no makeup in the living room, girl.

740
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: I've taken it. I'm taking it off. Yes, you will

741
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: see us stripping down. Is it is?

742
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: You know? You get your last If I come visit

743
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: your living room, I'll take off the lashes.

744
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 3: Take off the last, take off, your bral take off.

745
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: So I don't have a bra and I never have

746
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 1: a bra.

747
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: It's basically trying to reclaim that most authentic version of

748
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 3: yourself after all of the all the chips on your shoulder,

749
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 3: after all of the you know, toxic voices in your head,

750
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: all the all the ways you've been pooned and picked

751
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: that and position and the way that we show up

752
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: and the way that we're standing is so natural. It's

753
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: like we're holding our breast. But when you come into

754
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 3: the living room, you're able to let your guard down,

755
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: You free yourself.

756
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I do want to. You're just making me

757
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: jump to one story. One of the last times we spoke,

758
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: you were talking, I had gotten an Afi David that

759
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: was I can't talk about it, but I received an

760
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: Affidavid that was horrible. I sent it to you to

761
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 1: ask you if you had remembered any of the detail

762
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: tails in any of it, recalled any of it. And

763
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: you were in Africa at the time, and you had

764
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: brought the dress or outfit that you had worn the David.

765
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: You were fired, yes, And I remember you were telling

766
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: me you were like how heavy it was, and like

767
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: you were kind of burning it on you burnt it

768
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: and left it there the ashes there right, Yeah, and

769
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: that you were kind of going to put whatever the

770
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: spirit is of whatever that may be for me in

771
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: it too.

772
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and my my spiritual advisor as we call him

773
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: our bah bah you know in Nigeria.

774
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: He because when you text me that, it was right

775
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 2: after we had done.

776
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: All of these you know, spiritual cleansing, you know, rituals

777
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: and things. I'm so sorry, No, no, no, it's okay.

778
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: It's okay, because.

779
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: Everything happens for a reason, and everything happens in the

780
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: right timing. And I remember him telling me because I

781
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: broke down in tears and I was almost like I

782
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: don't want to go.

783
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: Back, like when you read it, you read it.

784
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: I read it right there, and I ran out of

785
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: my room and I ran right to him and I

786
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: was like, this is what's happening. And he was telling me,

787
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: you know, even what we've done here is going to

788
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: protect her, It's going to protect both of me.

789
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: And tell me and by the way, like I latched

790
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: onto that protection because I feel now more than ever,

791
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: especially after talking with Q, that there might be some

792
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: type of like bad energy sources that are trying to

793
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: invade our bubbles and invade our places, and that you

794
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: have to be careful of all kinds of.

795
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: Things, trust each other and make us, you know, go

796
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: into a show.

797
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Two questions. But I want to get to these quick

798
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: trigger just quick ones because they're getting me times up.

799
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: But I don't. I want to ask you all these

800
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: because they're funny, and I never got fun interviews. It's

801
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: always so stressful with this topic. But to clarify for

802
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: both you and I, why do you think I got fired?

803
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 3: It was sexual harassment retaliation? That's my sportance.

804
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: Why do you think you got fired?

805
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Because I was close to you and it was retaliation?

806
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So now here's the question. Games okay, and you

807
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: have to just quick trigger long, no long definitions, just

808
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: quick trigger first thing out your minds most outrageous rule

809
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: did he had for us?

810
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 2: Oh? My goodness, no.

811
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: Sleep for seventy two hours and longer?

812
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: Who cried the most during making the band?

813
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: Drea?

814
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: Who got who got the most side eyes from Diddy?

815
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: You know you may get side eyes?

816
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 5: You got direct eyes.

817
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: Direct hella directs? Who knew how to play that game?

818
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: I say, Dawn, how did it feel to hear you're fired?

819
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: It was like oh?

820
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: And then actually say it in his words? You can

821
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: go too even worse.

822
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get out.

823
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: Now, he said, you can go too. Yeah, like an afterthought.

824
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Almost, it was like a gut punch.

825
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 3: I felt the hairs on the back of my neck,

826
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: like just like tangles and spines like yeah, okay.

827
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Describe Diddy's energy in one word, toxic, craziest rumor you've

828
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: heard about Diddy back then. Oh, back then, it's just

829
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: a rumor. It's a legen. So you could say anything.

830
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: You heard that back then. It was crazy, okay that.

831
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: He had off you know, Paige Officers, some NYPD running

832
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: around chasing j Lo to find her around New York City.

833
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: She was trying to get with him.

834
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,280
Speaker 1: One thing we weren't allowed to do. That now sounds insane.

835
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: He said, one thing we were not allowed to do.

836
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds insane.

837
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: Shoot, one thing we were not allowed to do.

838
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I could name something. Go ahead, get na get paid?

839
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: Oh yes, get by.

840
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 3: How about where the wear my hair?

841
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 2: The wee grows out of my head?

842
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Who do you think

843
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: scared him more? Us or the truth?

844
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: The truth?

845
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: Your favorite member of d k abrio day you're mine too,

846
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: least favorite member of DK, which still means you like him,

847
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: but least say or maybe don't but least favorite.

848
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, this feels like a beat up session.

849
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Now it's not there. These are just one of all

850
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: same mind a few sayers, Okay, say down?

851
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: I agree.

852
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: Were all the Pussycat Dolls microphones on when we would

853
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: tour with them?

854
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I know Nicole shares ingers Mike

855
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: is going right now on Broadway, she is singing down.

856
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: Her mic was on. But on the days where we

857
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: would feel bad because we were watching watching our costume

858
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: crotches in the sink because we didn't have multiple costumes

859
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: like they did. Yeah, and we all put our in

860
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: ears together because we shared the same five networks. Do

861
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: you remember how we couldn't hear anything coming out of

862
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: a few of them?

863
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: I just remember I remember Melanie Mellan, Meloany Thornton's might

864
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: being on, Might being on.

865
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, and everybody else's I didn't hear. And then

866
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 1: did they have a vocal pitch rig?

867
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 3: They did?

868
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: Did they have one?

869
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Did they?

870
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: We?

871
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: Everybody knows we didn't? Did they? Okay?

872
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Did?

873
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: Who is the last you K member you spoke to you?

874
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,479
Speaker 1: Which DK performance lives rent free in your head?

875
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: Rent free for other reasons, but.

876
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: The one when I invited my boyfriend and I got

877
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: him front roasting from roasting tickets, trying the basketball player guy, no,

878
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 3: the one that I.

879
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Was the long term one.

880
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, and he decided not to show up.

881
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: Oh damn.

882
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: Those seats were empty in the front row as we

883
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: were performing live.

884
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Rent free of all the iconic shit we did on

885
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: stage that lives rent free. I'm so sorry, Mama.

886
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: That hurt the most.

887
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: Because I felt like he was my refuse, you know

888
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like.

889
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: He's who I talked to the most, He's.

890
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: Who the expression is allible things, and I just felt

891
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 3: abandoned and he just didn't show and it was it

892
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: was jealousy on his part, like he was also he

893
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: was comforting me, but he was jealous of me at

894
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: the same time.

895
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: Which is the case of most women in this industry

896
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: who missed the most rehearsals.

897
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: It is between you and Don.

898
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm not afred. I was gonna say, no one. We

899
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to miss rehearsals. I don't. I mean, I

900
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: think I missed some performances because of Broadway. Don took

901
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: off to go do dirty money stuff while we were

902
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: still doing Danity Kine. But rehearsals, we all had to

903
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: be in rehearsals. Yeah, I can't. It was just show. Yeah, okay,

904
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: who kept the group grounded when it got messy? Shannon,

905
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: biggest diva moment you saw yours are someone.

906
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Else's in the group.

907
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

908
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: Oh, The biggest diva moment was when I fought so

909
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: hard to get my sister's song on the album in

910
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 3: My Heart, In my Heart and some people and Don

911
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: Andrea up and you know, do a fit and left

912
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: the studio and didn't want to record it and come

913
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: back for like four hours.

914
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: But guess what, that man, you got all you got,

915
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: all the time you need.

916
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I want to say it's my favorite song. I got

917
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: so many parts on that song, and I love that song.

918
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: I still played said go ahead, take.

919
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: You and I did. That leaves you to my next question.

920
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: Top three Danity Kane songs. Your top three favorite off

921
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the dome? Top three favorite?

922
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 2: The ones that we wrote.

923
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: Picture is top three, pe to my Heart, strip Cy's

924
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: Mary Brown because she allowed us to.

925
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Write on Okay, so strip Tease, keet to my Heart.

926
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: What's your third one?

927
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: Picture?

928
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: It is because we wrote that poem together.

929
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: I love picture. Okay, would you ever go on tour

930
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: with all five members of Danity Kane?

931
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think it would be a good I

932
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 3: don't think that would be a good situation. I'm going

933
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: forward with you.

934
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: I'll go on tour with you too, obviously, but the

935
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: five is the question.

936
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,720
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that would be good.

937
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: After the trial to know for me as well, But you,

938
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: Drea Shan, I'm fine. Who surprised you the most that's

939
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: been speaking out about the Diddy trial or Diddy in

940
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: general recently. I'm actually surprised that don't spoke out if

941
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: Diddy called today? Are you answering?

942
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Now, we're not a lawyer present it a whiteyard.

943
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: Who's more likely to survive a scandal? A boy band

944
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: or a girl group. Let's say Dannity Kane.

945
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: A boy band, and why because they're boys.

946
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 6: They just forgive and overlook the boy's behavior.

947
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: So girls don't really run the world, do they? No,

948
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: Beyonce tried it. She tried to give us some self esteem,

949
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: But we don't really run the world. Let's be real.

950
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, we we have a power, and that's why there's

951
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 6: such a backlash against women because we are so powerful.

952
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 6: So that is why there is so much effort to

953
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 6: contain and you know, oppress us because we are powerful. Yeah,

954
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 6: I'm trying to silence something that you're not threatened by.

955
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: Correct. Okay, One word Shannon, one word for Shannon Mother,

956
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: one word for Drea. If it's like a double word,

957
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna a double word. But one thought for Drea, Sia.

958
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: Hair, one thought for me.

959
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: Live Wire, one thought for uh Dawn mm hmm, mask,

960
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 5: one thought for you, abundance.

961
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and my last question finished the sentence. Danity

962
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Kane was never just about Vanity.

963
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 6: Caye, was never just about a TV show.

964
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: Or music to listen to.

965
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 7: For me, it was a really hard life lesson in

966
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 7: many different things, in who I am as an artist,

967
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 7: who I am as a professional, who I am as

968
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 7: a you know, business person?

969
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 3: And yet it was a.

970
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: It was a real growing up moment.

971
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Did meeting Diddy change your life?

972
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

973
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Do you think you would have a more enjoyable life

974
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: if you had never met him? Yes? Do you think

975
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: that there are things that you experienced under him that

976
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: you will forever be healing from?

977
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: Yes?

978
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: Do you feel like during your time there you felt

979
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: versions of force, coercion, manipulation, extortion. I mean it's kind

980
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: of like all the albums we did and didn't get

981
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: paid for.

982
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, financial abuse.

983
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: Financial abuse, body shaming, all of the things. Did you

984
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: feel all that you experienced all of those things in

985
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: your time there?

986
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 2: Yes?

987
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: Would you take Danity Kane back from the world if

988
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: you had the opportunity, knowing what you know now to

989
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: not have gone an auditioned for it?

990
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a really hard question.

991
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: You think about it because I only want to guess

992
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: or a no. To be honest, you don't have to

993
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: live for anyone but you.

994
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 6: I would take it back for me, hands down. But

995
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 6: for for the people and for the people who are

996
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 6: continue to meet and who have wonderful memories and experiences,

997
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 6: and who were inspired and who continue to be inspired

998
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 6: even through all of this that's happening. They are inspired

999
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 6: and speed strength and see you know the bigger picture

1000
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 6: in ways that it affects their life, Like it's great

1001
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 6: for them.

1002
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: But does all of their joy combined make it worse

1003
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: your pain? Mmmm?

1004
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: It has it hasn't.

1005
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 6: It hasn't paid up yet?

1006
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: The words thank you so much.

1007
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: I love you, sir, thank you, Bye bye bab.