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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars, joining us from

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Speaker 1: La star of a new Netflix program, Bling Empire, and

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Speaker 1: you can find doctor Bethany at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, and star a Poisonous Liaisons on

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Speaker 1: It's hard to make sense of that nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: all of this silence folded. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: And there's a very good argument then defending herself, I

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Speaker 1: hear you. But even if she was initially that, if

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Speaker 1: she was the initial victim, she still was the aggressor

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Speaker 1: on the girl with a neon pink sweatshit sweatsuit because

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Speaker 1: that girl was unarmed. I don't know what happened before this,

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Speaker 1: before the officer got there. Helen Nelson, Where are the

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Speaker 1: reports coming from that mckea Bryant is the one who

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Speaker 1: made that nine one one call. None of us want

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Speaker 1: any perp shot dead on the scene. When an officer

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Speaker 1: shows up and thinks he's got to shoot to save

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Speaker 1: an innocent victim's life, they're gonna shoot. But I can't

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Speaker 1: understand everything that was happening. Where's it coming from that

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Speaker 1: she made the nine one one call. None of that

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Speaker 1: is confirmed officially by police or invested him. That is

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Speaker 1: what people in the kynody are saying, what people on

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Speaker 1: social media are saying. We've seen massive protests through the

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Speaker 1: city of Columbus. That's one of the major points that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people demonstrating are saying. But we asked BCI,

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Speaker 1: we asked investigators about this. They're not telling us yet officially. Well,

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Speaker 1: they need to be completely transparent and get all the

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Speaker 1: facts out there. If there's something we don't know, we

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Speaker 1: need to know. The public has a right to know.

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Speaker 1: Jump in. Yeah, hey, look, look this is why I

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Speaker 1: love science, Nancy. The beauty part of this is that

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Speaker 1: it's going to be determined who made the nine one

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Speaker 1: More than likely, I doubt, very seriously, it came from

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Speaker 1: a landline, which problems solved right there. More than likely

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Speaker 1: it came from a cell phone. That cell phone has

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Speaker 1: a distinct signature. We'll know who owns the phone, and

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Speaker 1: if they want to take it another step, they can

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Speaker 1: do a voice analysis. Now back to this young woman.

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Speaker 1: I mean, certainly a witness is going to be able

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Speaker 1: to say who call nine one one? But yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: it can be to the so yeah, absolutely, and that

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Speaker 1: that'll be that takes that level of emotion and lack

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Speaker 1: of clarity out of it very very quickly. And BCI

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Speaker 1: is very good at what they do, all right, so

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Speaker 1: I know that they'll track this down. Secondly, relative to

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Speaker 1: the officer when he came up, he's trying to interdict

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Speaker 1: a situation. Now let's just say, let's take this idea

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Speaker 1: that he's going to shoot to wound. I've heard many

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Speaker 1: people over the years to actually say this, and I

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Speaker 1: understand the premise behind it. However, the target that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about shooting is a target that you have to

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Speaker 1: acquire within a millisecond if you shoot, if you just

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Speaker 1: stand by and wind up shooting somebody in a leg,

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Speaker 1: if you're fortunate enough to hit that spot all right,

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Speaker 1: by that time, she could have cut this other girl's throat. Now,

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Speaker 1: not only do you have the girl bleeding out on

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Speaker 1: the ground that had her throat cut, Now you've got

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Speaker 1: another person that has been shot potentially in the leg.

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Speaker 1: Guess what runs through the leg, the federal artery. All

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Speaker 1: kinds of other vessels run through there. Now she's bleeding out,

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Speaker 1: You've got two people dying. Maybe resources are limited as

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Speaker 1: far as tasers go. Again, this is a millisecond decision.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he could cross that ground in

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Speaker 1: that amount of time because there is a terminal length

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Speaker 1: to the distance a taser can deploy. And if you

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Speaker 1: have somebody, as doctor Bethany had mentioned, has a highly

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Speaker 1: agitated mental state, let me tell you something. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to interdict him with a taser necessarily. This is

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Speaker 1: a lethal event that is going on. The police officer

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Speaker 1: had to make that decision in that moment. Guys, how

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Speaker 1: did this young girl mckea Brian, age sixteen end up

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Speaker 1: wandering around with a butcher knife in the front yard.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eight. This is Lacy

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Speaker 1: Crisp ten TV. As the world heard the verdict in

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Speaker 1: the Derek Chauvin case, Paula Bryant's sixteen year old daughter

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Speaker 1: Mkaiah was fatally shot by a Columbus police officer on

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Speaker 1: the city's southeast side. I'm very upset, I'm hurt. I

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Speaker 1: want answers. Columbus police were called to Legion Lane on

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Speaker 1: reports of his stabbing. A Columbus police officer fired his gun,

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Speaker 1: shooting and killing the team. My daughter dispatched the Columbus

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Speaker 1: police for protection. Not to be a homicide today. Makaiah

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Speaker 1: was staying at a foster home. But Paula tells me

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Speaker 1: that you last saw each other on Thursday. Haley Nelson,

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Speaker 1: ABC six, Fox twenty eight. Why was she in a

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Speaker 1: foster home. We know that they had had a history.

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Speaker 1: She had had a history with Children's Services since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven. As for specific details, they're not sharing

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Speaker 1: those with us. But she's been living in a foster

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Speaker 1: home and that specific address where this unfolded for just

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Speaker 1: a few months, for just a little bit of time, right,

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Speaker 1: they specific a dress. What are you saying if you

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Speaker 1: address this location where sadly, this deadly shooting unfolded. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let me understand what you just said. Thirty one seventy

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Speaker 1: one Legion Lane is the foster home, that is my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Holy moly. So is it a family residence or is

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Speaker 1: it a home where multiple children live? It's a residential area.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how many children might live at that home,

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Speaker 1: but we do know she had been there recently. Do

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Speaker 1: you ask she Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, she's in

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Speaker 1: a foster home and she has she's allowed to wield

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Speaker 1: a butcher knife out in the front yard. Who's supervising

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Speaker 1: her in that foster family? Yeah, so this is a

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Speaker 1: whole other issue. You know. I'm a child welfare law

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Speaker 1: specialist and deal with these issues on a daily basis

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Speaker 1: in juvenile court. Let me say this with this entire scenario,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's probably a residential foster home, meaning, for

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Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with our system, that there are

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Speaker 1: children placed in the home. But it's not a group home,

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Speaker 1: so you're not going to have twenty or thirty children,

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Speaker 1: but rather a couple of children placed in the home.

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Speaker 1: She might have been the only child. There are strict

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Speaker 1: regulations policies that foster parents have to go through to

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Speaker 1: ensure that their home is safe for children who frankly,

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Speaker 1: they don't know well. Right, children who have been through

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Speaker 1: trauma and should not have access to weapons. And a

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Speaker 1: butcher knife is a weapon. Now there's some that would

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Speaker 1: argue but it's just used in the kitchen to cook. Okay,

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Speaker 1: fair enough. But when you have teams put in your

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Speaker 1: home that you're not familiar with their history, they're trauma

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Speaker 1: what they need, and you are a foster agency or

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Speaker 1: home for a state agency, there are criteria that need

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Speaker 1: to be met. You have to supervise the children. So

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Speaker 1: this child should not have had access to a butcher

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Speaker 1: knife in order to then be threatening individual than actually

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Speaker 1: chasing a victim in order to save them. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of issues with that scenario, and that child,

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Speaker 1: I would suggest, was not being properly supervised right now,

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Speaker 1: we're yeah, I'd like to add one more thing too,

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Speaker 1: something else that's kind of disturbing to me that I

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Speaker 1: caught in this video. I don't know, maybe I'm misinterpreting it,

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Speaker 1: but I could swear that at a couple of these views,

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Speaker 1: I saw adults out there spectating. For me, that's very troubling.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you one more if you like

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Speaker 1: that one. If in fact, any of these adults had

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Speaker 1: a camera in their hand and they were videotaping this,

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Speaker 1: their collective asses should be in jail, period, because they

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Speaker 1: didn't interdict prior to the cops having to show up

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Speaker 1: and do what they did. So if there were adults

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Speaker 1: out there and they were watching these minor children engage,

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Speaker 1: it almost you know, I gotta tell you, Nancy, I

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Speaker 1: love him. It almost looked like gladiator games. Is that

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Speaker 1: what they're doing? It's this like entertainment for them, because

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Speaker 1: that's very, very disturbing. We also know that a woman

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Speaker 1: named Hazel Bryant, who I did herself as mckea Bryant's

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Speaker 1: aunt stated mckea Bryant lived in the Foster home and

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Speaker 1: had gotten involved in an altercation with someone else there

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Speaker 1: in the Foster home. Clearly there was no supervision at all.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we're looking for answers why a sixteen year

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Speaker 1: old girl has been shot, and the reverberations go on.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,