1 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Saturday, January tenth, and we 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: too are trying to make sense of all of these 3 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: headlines we've been seeing this week about a toxic mom group, 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and Robes just informed me I might have fallen for 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: a big old PR stunt, And with that, welcome to 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and tj Okay Robes. First of all, 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale, toxic mom group, everybody's been seeing the headlines 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: all week. You tell me, am I wrong for dismissing 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: this as nothing more than just some clickbait and has 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: some celebrity names, And this has been blown out of proportion? 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: Am I wrong to dismiss it as just that? 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: I don't think it's been blown out of proportion in 13 00:00:55,080 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: that it resonated. So this is something that uss deal 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: with our entire lives, and us moms actually teach our daughters. 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: At least I know something that my mom told me, 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,639 Speaker 2: and I told my girls, you never leave high school. 17 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: Yes, women support women. 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: And yes that's beautiful, and yes that happens. 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: Every day and we need more of it. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: But truth be told, women cut each other down to 21 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: a lot of times, and sometimes friendships do turn toxic. 22 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 2: And when you get a gaggle of girls together, hierarchies form, 23 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: clicks form, It's just what happens. Unfortunately, even with good 24 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: people with good intentions, it just seems to socially happen. 25 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: Okay, if it socially happens, that's fine, it's accepted, it's understood, 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: and it can be unfortunate and you want to teach 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: your daughters to do different. Does it have to be 28 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: aired out in such a way that now you have 29 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: high profile, celebrity, successful women who have now been put 30 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: in a position to have to feel accusations essentially that 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: they arelves that they are the toxic ones. That's the 32 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: impression that's left. Is that fair? Before we get into 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: the details, Is that fair? Yeah? 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: I don't think it's cool at all to air anything 35 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: publicly period. And I know people are you know, you 36 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: could say, oh, I'm trying to make others feel not 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: so alone, but in actuality, it looks like you are 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: trying to get attention for yourself and are playing the victim. 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: Whether you realize that or not, that is what is 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: ultimately happening. Because there is a good guy and a 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: bad guy. And I know we'll get into the details 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: about how she tries to say that's not what she's doing, 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: but that's what she's doing because she points to all 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: of their grievances against her, so she can say, oh, 45 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not saying they're toxic people, but she is. 46 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 2: So that's even unfair. She's not even being honest with 47 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: what she's saying and doing. 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's go back this hit, didn't it Okay, 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale, Let's start there. Ashley Tisdale French is what 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: she goes by now because she is married Ashley Tisdale French, 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: but known for sure high school music. Most that is 52 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: what she is known for, high school musical. She also 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: Phineas and Verb. That was an animated hit I believe 54 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: as well that she voiced. But she is married now 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: to a guy by the name of David French that 56 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: have two kids, a four year old and a sixteen 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: month old. Now, this all got going because she wrote 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: in particular, one essay that's getting a lot of attention 59 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: that was in the cut, but she wrote one in 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: December as well on her own website, in which robes 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: this kind of sums it up. The first one was 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: titled you're allowed to leave your mom group. And then 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the second one that got so much attention was titled 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: breaking up with My Toxic Mom Group. That was the 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: one that just came out. It was publicized or published 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: in the cut. Now people started piecing together, here's the issue. 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: She does all this talking about toxic mom groups, how 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: she was treated, how she was left out. We'll get 69 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: into some excerpts, but people started piecing together who who 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: is in her mom group? Because of social media? 71 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yes, obviously her kids are not that old. 72 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: So this is a fairly recent mom group. It's not 73 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: like you have multiple mom groups. It's not easy to 74 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: find a mom group, to be honest with you, I 75 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: never was able to do so. I had wanted to, 76 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: but just where I was in my life didn't align 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 2: with other people my age who were They weren't doing 78 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: the same things allah having kids. So yes, that's a 79 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: beautiful thing. It's not like you have multiple mom groups. 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: So the pictures on social media with Ashley Tisdale are 81 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: with a very solid set of moms, and they're all. 82 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 3: Over the internet. 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: So it's pretty obvious who the mom group is and 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: more importantly, who is in that mom group, And there 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: are some celebrities in that mom. 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Group, Megan tre Megan Traynor, Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore. Yes, 87 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: people know those names. These are even if they're not 88 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: the biggest superstars in the world, they have had such 89 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: long standing careers that people know who these folks are. 90 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: And like I would say, these have great reputations. 91 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: So the other interesting thing about it, Mandy Moore is 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: as wholesome as they get, like she's a Disney princess 93 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: and just sweet as pie. 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 3: This is us. 95 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: Just Hillary Duff too. 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: Hillary Duff has that same reputation, Megan Trainer. 97 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: Everyone loves her. 98 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: These are lovable, likable humans, women and certainly moms, and 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: it's fun to see them all getting along and supporting 100 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: each other. So yes, when someone comes out and points 101 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: to that mom group and it calls it toxic, that's 102 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: obviously going to make headlines. And it's not okay to say, oh, 103 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: I didn't name names. I think that is so unfair. 104 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So that I think robes and like we do 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: with all these things, where conversations start happening in the 106 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: public domain, people going to take sides. So people want 107 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: to either completely side with Ashley Tissdale or side with 108 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: the others. And right now, when I'm seeing robes and 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: you've looked at a lot of this, a sense that 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: Ashley Tisdale is getting more support than criticism. Yes, is 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that fair to say? 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: Or yes, I would say so. And especially it doesn't help, 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: And it certainly didn't help that folks from the other 114 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: side went into defense mode. 115 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: And I understand why they did. 116 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: Especially it was the husbands or in particular Hillary Duff's 117 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: husband who added fuel to the fire. He wanted to 118 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: defend his wife's honor. And there is something admirable about that. 119 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: But I think people who feel left out, people who 120 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 2: feel isolated, people who feel like they got uninvited to 121 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: group events, that is such a lonely, awful feeling that 122 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: they connect immediately to what Ashley Tisdale is saying. 123 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so he was the first to throw fuel on 124 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: the fire, So what set him off? The essay just 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: a couple of excerpts from the one at least from 126 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: the cut robes that got so much attention. She was 127 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: saying this was like high school drama. She felt left 128 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: out of her group, She felt she had found her 129 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: village in a sense of belonging, but that group dynamic 130 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: stopped being healthy and positive. She did want to focus 131 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: on this. Moms aren't bad people, she said. The moms 132 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: aren't bad people, but it was a toxic environment. She 133 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: says she could sense a growing distance between me and 134 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: the other members of the group, who seem to not 135 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: even care that I wasn't around much. When everyone else 136 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: attended a birthday party together, I was met with excuses 137 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: as to why I hadn't been invited. So she gone 138 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: goes on with several of these. She has another essay 139 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: we'll get into as well. Now this one in particular, 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: go back to the husband. Now, this really set things off, 141 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, I loved, I kind 142 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: of loved it was as snarky and it wasn't necessary, 143 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: but this sounded like a dude defending his wife. 144 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Yes, and Hillary Duff, I have to say, whatever you 145 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: think about what he did. She has to feel loved 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: in this moment because this is what probably every wife 147 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 2: would love for her husband to do. Matthew Koma they 148 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: have a seven year old, a four year old, and 149 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: an eight month old together. 150 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: He basically created an Instagram. 151 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: Post that mocked the cover of the cut where you 152 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: see Ashley Tisdale in a black sweater of black pants 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: with her hand on her cheek and she just looks, 154 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, she kind of looks like a boss 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: bitch on a couch, you know. So he basically put 156 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: his head on her head. He super imposed his head 157 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: and changed the title. Instead of breaking up with my 158 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: toxic mom group, he wrote, when you're the most self obsessed. 159 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: Tone deaf person on earth. 160 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: Other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers. 161 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: A mom group tell all through a father's eyes. 162 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Okay, that was this that I love this. 163 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: Kind of paste. 164 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Then it's funny. Come on, that was a funny response. 165 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, that sent the internet like wild and look, 166 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 2: I it was clever. 167 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 3: It was a clever It was a clever clap back. 168 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: But that I would say, is it not the most 169 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: official response. Okay, we'll get into Megan trainers. But he 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: directly addressed Ashley Tisdale has put these women in a 171 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: position to where they have to defend themselves. We're only 172 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: getting one side of the story. Their side might be 173 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe how Ashley was behaving. You wouldn't, but 174 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: because because We're only getting a one sided accusation, is 175 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the only this Everything might be true, she might, but 176 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you have to keep in mind, what are you doing 177 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: to these people and their reputations who now have to 178 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: defend themselves against what. 179 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: And the only way to defend themselves is to probably 180 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: throw her under the bus, which is not something they 181 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: might want to do either, Like they would have to 182 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: say something to what Matthew was saying, like there's a 183 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: reason why you weren't invited. Do some self examination. Look, 184 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: and I always think about I love you know how 185 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: much I love one of my favorite podcasters? 186 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: Why is her name skipping? 187 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: It's only Gabby Burnstein or mail Robin, No. 188 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: Robin, thank you, I've let them. 189 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: She actually talks about having this experience in her life 190 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: with friends and groups and social media. Right you go 191 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: and you see online on social media now that they 192 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: all had a lunch without you, or they all went 193 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: to a winery without you or whatever, there was some 194 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 2: group activity and you know you didn't get invited. Her 195 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: advice is, instead of getting bitter and being angry and 196 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: maybe writing an article and calling people out, let them. 197 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: Let people and then and then if you want to 198 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: invite them, invite them and and then ask questions and 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: get curious, but don't just throw jabs and assume they're 200 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: bad and you've been victimized in some way. And so 201 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: just this notion of trying to understand why this happened 202 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: and then letting people be who they are without judging them. 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: I know that's really easy to say and very hard 204 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: to do, but I just think about Mel Robbins had 205 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: this exact scenario that she went through on her podcast 206 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: and talked about the best way to handle it, because 207 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: it happens. This stuff happens, people don't like each other, 208 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: people realize they aren't good fits. But unfortunately, airing it 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: all out and blaming someone else, this is what ends 210 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: up happening. 211 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: I want to always leave room for Ashley Tisdale having 212 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: whatever experience she had, and everything could be and you know, 213 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: it's not even a matter is it true or not 214 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: is it true to her? We talk about this all 215 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: the time. People go through the exact act the same experiences, 216 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: but they will tell two different stories about how those 217 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: experience impacted them or how they viewed them. This could 218 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: be everything out of her mouth could be one hundred 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: percent troop in her mind at least, I'm sure that's true, 220 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: not making anything up, but but if there's any critic, 221 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: what do you do? She had to have known what 222 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: this was going to do, what attention this was going 223 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: to turn to? What is it? 224 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: Her? 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Her rep is telling TMZ how they try to kind 226 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: of clear this up, if you will, Robes, They said 227 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: she was writing the essay it had nothing to do 228 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: about any other woman in particular. 229 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: Okay, but when you've got pictures out on social media 230 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: with your mom group, and you've got celebrities consistently in 231 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: those photos, and then you say you're not going to 232 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: name names, you know what people are going to do. 233 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: But is it enough? 234 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: Obvious? 235 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Her rep says, it's not about those women y'all are 236 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: talking about. Is that enough? 237 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: No, it's not enough. 238 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 2: No, she would have to say, this is not about 239 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: Meghan Trainer, this is not about Manny Moore, This is 240 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: not this is a completely different friend group that I've 241 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 2: never posted about. But no one's gonna believe that anyway, 242 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: because she has all of these pictures of her mom 243 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: group going to the spot together like this is obviously 244 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: the group she's referring to. 245 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: Is this is her justification for putting this out, and 246 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to know what you think of this robes, 247 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 1: she writes, I kept thinking, aren't we supposed to be 248 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: teaching our kids to speak up for themselves when their 249 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: feelings are hurt, when they get left out on the playground? 250 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Aren't we supposed to teach kids to include each other? 251 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: I knew I had to speak up for myself, just 252 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: like I would want my daughters to do. Okay, I'm 253 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: just gonna stop and ask for your reaction. 254 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: I think that's a week. 255 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: I think that's a weak argument for airing your dirty laundry. 256 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: I think she could speak up to her for herself 257 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: within her friend group. 258 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 3: She could have directly. 259 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: I think the more the braver and more courageous and 260 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: more correct way to handle it would to have been 261 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: internally write a letter whatever she posted on her website 262 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: for clicks. 263 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 3: If she had. 264 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: Written that letter individually to those women and actually talked 265 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: about how she felt and how they could find a 266 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: way back to each other or why she needed to leave. 267 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: But having those conversations directly with the people involved is 268 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: what I would want to teach my children to do, 269 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: to actually directly and bravely and be radically honest with 270 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: the people who you did care about, to resolve something 271 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: going forward, not to put it out for the public 272 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: to then judge and to get people on your side. 273 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 3: To me, that is not the lesson I would want 274 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 3: to teach my children. 275 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: It's jumped out to me. And she's forty. I believe 276 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: she's not of a much younger generation than us. But 277 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: the idea that when you're left out in the playground, 278 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: teach kids to include each other, that's true. But there 279 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: was something in here that seemed to suggest that the 280 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: world at life, that people are supposed to always be fair, 281 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: and we seem to be teaching or this idea sometimes 282 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: that I shouldn't be hurt. My feelings shouldn't be hurt, 283 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: and if they are, then y'all must be toxic or 284 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: that must be a problem. The truth is your mom 285 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: said you never leave high school. This is just what 286 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: life is. And where is the grit coming from? Where 287 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: are we getting more than just look at what everybody's 288 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: doing to me? And what's no? This is life. And 289 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: sometimes people are mean and assholes and you get kicked 290 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: out of a group. Sometimes you're the asshole. This is life, 291 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: and this is learning. But I didn't like or something 292 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: didn't sit right with me about flipping it in such 293 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: a way that I'm teaching a lesson. The lesson here 294 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: is to what complained is to call them out, to 295 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: throw them out of the bus, or to dig in 296 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: and deal with the human relationship. 297 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: Babe, you just nailed it. That's amazing. I hadn't thought 298 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: about it like that. But yes, of course you and 299 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: I were taught, maybe because we are in a different 300 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: generation than Ashley Dishale, but that is exactly what I've 301 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: taught my daughter and you've taught yours. I know that, yeah, 302 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: life is unfair. You aren't always going to get a 303 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: fair shake, and everybody isn't always going to like you, 304 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: and it's not their fault and it's not even your fault, 305 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 2: but sometimes that's the way the world is, and you 306 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: have to learn how to accept the reality. You can't 307 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: force people to like you, and you can't expect people 308 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: to include you, include them, invite them, be the bridge, 309 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: and know that everyone isn't always going to walk over 310 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: to your side. 311 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 3: But yes, you're right. 312 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: The lesson she is implying is to say, this isn't 313 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: fair this isn't right, and you need to be called out. 314 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: That's not a lesson I would want my daughters to learn. 315 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: But folks, all this back and forth, all the headlines 316 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: this week, stay here when we come back, who can 317 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: explain why you should never be in a mom group 318 00:15:49,920 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: in the first place? Anyway? Stay here? All right? We 319 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: continue here, going to wrap up here on Amy and DJ. 320 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: It was it's been making headlines robes. We've been talking 321 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: about this toxic mom group story kind of the past 322 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: several days, and I think every time you mentioned that, 323 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, nah, we're doing this. 324 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 3: We're not going to do this story. 325 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: But this actually Look, you could talk about mom groups, 326 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: but you can talk about sorority houses, you can talk 327 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: about girls living with each other in college, or you 328 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: can talk about friend groups. 329 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: That it's all the same thing. 330 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: It's all the same dynamic, and it's it's messy, and 331 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: but we're supposed to be learning lessons about ourselves and 332 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: about life and about each other. And the hope is 333 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: through some of the discord and through some of the 334 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: uncomfortable moments you grow you don't point fingers. But of 335 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: course that's the ideal, dealistic way to look at it 336 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: and here we are. 337 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: Are there dad groups? Do dudes do this? 338 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: You could answer that better than I can, but I 339 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: think we all know the answer. 340 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Yes, what are dudes doing in a grit? Is there 341 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: a dad group? Your dads get together? No, that's not 342 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: deesn't happen. 343 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: As well, but golf maybe you know. 344 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: I have a question though about a mom group. Do 345 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: moms are kids always included in the group or is 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: this a mom group to where you're getting together to 347 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: have the wine and the kids aren't around. 348 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: I think the kids are mostly around the ideas that 349 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: they can be playing with each other while you all 350 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: sip some wine or you know, and it does tend 351 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: to get a little gossip, ye, I think. Look, I've 352 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: never had a mom group, but you know the book 353 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: club I've been in a like, yes, you drink some 354 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 2: wine and you spill some tea and all of that. 355 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: So yes, things do get a little cliquie. It's just 356 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: it is kind of what girls do. 357 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. But here is the thing. And we 358 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: talk a lot about relationships on this podcast on I 359 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: Do Part two on iHeart, and we just we're in 360 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: that lane in a lot of ways, and this is 361 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: something we talk about, and I'm wondering about mom groups. 362 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Don't you run into a problem or isn't there always 363 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: going to be a potential dynamic clash when the only 364 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: thing that's actually bringing you together is one thing, the 365 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: fact that you got a kid. Like, some of these 366 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: groups are getting together not because I have this in 367 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: common with this mom, or have this in common. We 368 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: would share the same interest or we even like the 369 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: same wine, or we have the same sport, or we 370 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: work out the same You just have a kid, do you. 371 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: We talk about relationships all the time. If you only 372 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: have one thing that's bringing you together, would you hang 373 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: out with these people if you didn't have a kid. 374 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: And that's a question to ask, yes, And so it's 375 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: funny you say that because, look, I think it's awesome 376 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: to have support from other women who are in your 377 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: certain age group, who are going through the same things 378 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 2: for the first time. I understand how that's communal and helpful, 379 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: but it also can get you can start comparing, You 380 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: start you start maybe even judging, You may feel jealousy. 381 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 2: It creates all of these like the all things are 382 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: not going to be equal, and then kids might not 383 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: get along. Kids might start fighting, kids might start not 384 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: liking each other. 385 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: The potential for problems is. 386 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: Honestly, it's a lot. And I never was in a 387 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: mon group. I never, truth be told, I never wanted 388 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: to be in a mock group. When I was socializing, 389 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 2: I actually wanted to not talk about my kids. 390 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: That's just me. 391 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: I love my children. When I was with them, I 392 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: was immersed. But when I was with my friends, I 393 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about changing diapers. I didn't want 394 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 2: to talk about you know, how many ounces of milk 395 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: my baby had that night. Like that just wasn't my jam. 396 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: But for those who it is, it does start to 397 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: get comparative. You know who's crawling first, who's walking verst. 398 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: That sounds silly, but these types of things happen, and 399 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: then resentments build and clicks form, and. 400 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: You can just see how this stuff happens. 401 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: This is a and you can speak on it. This 402 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: is what women do. Take the kids out of it. 403 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: If you get a group of women together, five women 404 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: getting together every week for anything, they're going to size 405 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,120 Speaker 1: each other out from the moment they walking down Rod. 406 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but yes, the most contentious 407 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 2: year of my life, I think was when I lived 408 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: with five women in my junior year of college. 409 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: It was the hardest year. 410 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: You're comparing shoes, purses, outfits, careers, relationships, kids constantly, right, 411 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: constantly is what you all doing. I have noticed so 412 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: many times now with you. We go into places and 413 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: it might be a woman or somebody we meet for 414 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: the first time a couple. To see how the woman 415 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: sears and into you and looks you up and down 416 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: is I have started noticing these things in a way, 417 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: like why God, and she's the nicest thing in the 418 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: world to you, not not unpleasant, but just to see 419 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: how women size each other. 420 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: Yes, and we see it, we see it happening, and 421 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: it yes, and then right, and then you put yeah, 422 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 2: and like that's. 423 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: The the mama bear. Mama bear comes out. 424 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 2: So if you say anything that I don't like about 425 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: my child, or I'm looking at your child and I'm thinking, 426 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, it is just to me. Now I'm 427 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: understanding completely why I didn't get into a mom group, 428 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: because it does start off supportive, starting off supportive and 429 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: look and maybe and people have by the way, in 430 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 2: light of this, there have been so many folks who 431 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: have put up their mom groups and said ten years 432 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 2: and still going strong, twenty years, still going strong. People 433 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: talking about being at each other's kids' weddings and having 434 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 2: these mom groups last for decades, and that's beautiful and 435 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: that's awesome. So I'm being you know, I'm maybe being 436 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: negative here because there are plenty of examples of beautiful 437 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: and not that they didn't have their struggles, I'm sure, 438 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: and their issues, but they figured it out and they've 439 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: formed these beautiful bonds. 440 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: That is important to say, because this has put a 441 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: negative spin on this thing that you said is positive. 442 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: Every group is going to have an issue, But I 443 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: think why this? And I think you actually upset me 444 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: right before we started recording because I said, I wish 445 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: you hadn't even told me that, because I've been asking 446 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: the question, why does she put this out? Why would 447 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: she do this? Why she knew what this was going 448 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: to do. I wanted to reserve room for her just 449 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: having something on our heart, something on her mind, and 450 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: wanted to get this out out and other women are 451 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: going through it great, but damn it, why did you 452 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: have to show this to me? 453 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: So just a few hours ago, Ashley Tisdale put on 454 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: the top of her Instagram feed a slow zoom out 455 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: photo of her doing some yoga pose in the desert, 456 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: and it says find your strength within coming February first, 457 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: and then it tags her wellness brand. So either she 458 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 2: planned this whole thing and now she's launching this campaign, 459 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: or she saw she was getting a lot of attention 460 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: that she hadn't had in decades and she decided to 461 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: launch a campaign. I don't know which came first, but 462 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 2: certainly she is capitalizing on the newfound or I guess the 463 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: renewed interest in her brand. 464 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Her name is business is what You're supposed to do. 465 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: It just will suggest to some that this was orchestrated 466 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,239 Speaker 1: and she knew what she was doing. But hey, this 467 00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: could all be a c winketing, or she could just 468 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: be a good business woman right now and say, hey, 469 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: I have an opportunity, let me jump on this now. 470 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: We didn't talk about Meghan Trainer, by the way. I 471 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: just wanted to point that out because what did you 472 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: think about how she We mentioned it, but I did 473 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 2: want to actually talk about it a little bit. What 474 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: did you think about her choice to be at a 475 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: computer and have the song playing that she had in 476 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: the background with her caption. 477 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: She just wanted to address it without addressing it. Hers 478 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: was kind of it was in line with Hillary doves Housmand, 479 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: kind of just being silly about it not having to 480 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know Holly Berry came to mind here, 481 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: but she's good at addressing controversy just with some silly 482 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: post and not necessarily directly, but kind of directly. I 483 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: thought it was playful. It was fun. 484 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: It was a playful nod. 485 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: She had still Don't Care playing in the background, and 486 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: then she was at the computer and it looked like 487 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: she was like looking at the tea and it said 488 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: me finding out about the apparent mom group drama. So 489 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: she even stead a parent, meaning like, what are you 490 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: talking about? We're all good, We're all fine, everything's fine. 491 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: So she has a four and a two year old. 492 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: So look, I love the idea of mom supporting each other. 493 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: I love the idea of moms hanging out together. And yeah, 494 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: there will be problems, almost assuredly, there will be some 495 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: sort of little drama. But if you can look at 496 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: it as an opportunity to learn more about yourself and 497 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 2: your triggers and why you got upset and just not 498 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 2: necessarily be quick to say everyone else is toxic and 499 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 2: poor me. 500 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 501 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: That's the takeaway I get from this is just a 502 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: reminder and because we all do it. I do it, 503 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 2: everyone listening does it. We want to victimize ourselves, poor us. 504 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: Look what's happening to us? No, why don't we ask ourselves? 505 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Why am I so upset? And what can I do 506 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: about it? And where is my piece? And not blaming 507 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: anyone else? That's the way forward. 508 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing that home. I was resisting this 509 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: story for several days and it's there are important nuggets 510 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: to take out of it, So thank you for that, 511 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: and thank you all as always for listening to our 512 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: kind of our morning coffee, morning tea routine. Just came 513 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: out into our podcast studio and decided to sit down 514 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: and talk about this one. So we appreciate you going 515 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: along with us. So for now, I'm TJ. Holmes on 516 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: my happ of my dear Amy Robot. We will talk 517 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to you all soon.