1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Claude Harmon wanted to talk We're in the middle of 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: summer and thought I'd get Ryan Chrysler, who works with 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: me here at the Floridian, because I think Ryan's one 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: of the best short game instructors and one of the 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: best wedge fitters around. And Ryan, we're right in the 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: middle of summer, and I was thinking, Okay, what's a 8 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: good one to talk to people, because I think everybody 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: now is kind of in play mode. Right we've come 10 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: out of the winter. A lot of people have kind 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: of been stock, haven't been able to play, but now 12 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: you can get out and you play. But bunker game. 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: I think it's something that we see a lot in 14 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: our lessons that people struggle with. And I think there's 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: two kind of main areas that people struggle with out 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: of the bunker, and I think there's some hacks if 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: you're not great at bunkers. First of all, the obvious one, 18 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: people just don't practice their bunker game enough, do they. 19 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: I'd never see someone grinding out in the bunker. 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Never, And in the lessons that we give, when's the 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: last time someone came in and said, Hey, you ask them. 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: I mean we always do the same thing. Right, tell 23 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: me the strengths your game, tell me the weaknesses of 24 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: your game, say bunker. They'll say they're not great out 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: of the sand, but they'll immediately want to work on 26 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: something else. And I think, if you're an average golfer, right, 27 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: I think most people listening to this podcast are just 28 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: regular average golfer. They're handicapped golfers. They're not playing in 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: competitive tournaments. They just want to break one hundred for 30 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: the first time. Ninety eighty seventy. I think if you 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: are trying to break a score for the first time, 32 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: getting better out of the bunkers is some of the 33 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: lowest hanging fruit you can get. 34 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be an automatic shot. My major two 35 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: bunker influences are basically Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson. In 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: the last twenty five years. My technique is modeled after 37 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: Tiger Woods. He uses the fifty six. I use the 38 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: fifty eight. However, I try to have a short fall 39 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: three like he does. I always wear my glove, try 40 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: to mimic him. And then with Nicholson, he did the 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: short game video probably twenty years ago now and it 42 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: has some great work with Dave Peals, also from Texas, 43 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: and he determined that ninety percent of his bunker shots 44 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: were either a ten yard carry or within ten yards. 45 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: So that means basically you're hitting two bunker shots. So 46 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: if you can master basically two bunker shots, one that 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: fis ten yards and one that fils a little bit shorter, 48 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: you should be able to get out of any sort 49 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: of bunker scenario wherever the pin is. And the number 50 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: one well, of course, is you must get out of 51 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 2: the bunker first try. 52 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think a lot of people are 53 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: afraid of sculling it out of the bunker. 54 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of lift and finesse. 55 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: And it's it's always the thing that we say in 56 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: our golf lessons, the bunker shot is the easiest should 57 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: be the easiest shot in golf because it's the only 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: shot in golf where we're asking. 59 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: You to not hit the ball, literally not touching the ball. 60 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So the concept behind that is what you're not 61 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: hitting the ball, you're hitting the sand. Talk the listeners 62 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: through what that means. 63 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: Yes, so you have to have either the right wedge 64 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: in the right style to match up and up sand 65 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: basically flying out onto the green, taking the ball with 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: it right. So when you have maybe too much loft 67 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: and you're adding too much loft, you go right through 68 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: the sand. You have no Ford motion. Ball stays in 69 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: the bunker, or you try to nest it out of 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: there and try it and you blade it and you 71 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: send it right over the grain. So you try to 72 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: match up basically, how much sand do I need to 73 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: take given the conditions? What is my wife's supposed to 74 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: do given the conditions. In my opinion, there's basically two 75 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: styles of bunkers. One that's super soft and one that's 76 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: relatively coarser and firmer. Coarser and firmer. Kind of after 77 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: a rainstorm, wet. 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: Sand, it's going to be a little bit more dense, 79 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: not going to be as kind of splashy coming out 80 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: of the bunker. Going back to what you said earlier, 81 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I don't think 82 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: people realize is the ball is resting on the sand, 83 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: and we are not going to hit the ball. We're 84 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: hitting the sand underneath the ball. The first thing that 85 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: I see as a generalization of pretty much the majority 86 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: of people that are struggling with the bunker is they 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: don't make a swing that has significant force to get 88 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: the sand out of the bunker. So one of the 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: hacks that I always say to players is let's get 90 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: in here, no ball, and I just go ahead and 91 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: make a square in the sand, and I say, Okay, 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: imagine that you're going to take the swear or we've 93 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: heard a dollar bill or something like that, but a 94 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: circle a square. Just practice getting the sand out of 95 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: the bunker. Because if the sand doesn't get out of 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the bunker, you're not hitting the ball. So the ball 97 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: isn't going to get out of the bunker, yep. And 98 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: the control all delete for me for everybody that tells 99 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: me they're bad at the bunker is okay, let me 100 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: lay the face wide open. Let me set up to 101 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: my bunker shot like I would set up to pretty 102 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: much ninety nine point nine percent of the short game 103 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: shots that I'm gonna hit around the green tons of 104 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: weight on my left side, a lot of forward shaft, 105 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: lean hands way forward, and then short back swing, short 106 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: follow through, dig a lot the club. I always say 107 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: to players, the single biggest effect that the sand is 108 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: going to have on your wedge when the wedge comes 109 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: in contact with the sand is the sand is going 110 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: to slow the wedge down. 111 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: Right, So we need power and speed. 112 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of players it's interesting that 113 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: you said that. I mean Sebi by Asteros. He thought 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the sixties should be outlawed. He thought you should be 115 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: able to play pretty much every shot, even around the greens, 116 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: but specifically in a bunker. He used to fifty six. 117 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Tiger used that a lot. 118 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: Crenshaw. 119 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: That's when we're looking at because I think it's two 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: categories where people three categories where people struggle. One they 121 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: never practice why because they don't get any feedback and 122 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: they're not good out of the bunker. So as golfers, 123 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: none of us tend to practice what we're poor at 124 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: right because we don't get any positive validation or positive 125 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: feedback for So you're not a good bunker player. You 126 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: don't really know what you're doing. You've read a bunch 127 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: of stuff. You're just going to kind of take the 128 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: kitchen sink and throw all of these things that you've 129 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: read about or seen or heard into a bunker. So 130 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: there's zero practice because you don't really know what you 131 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: should be doing. You're not any good at what you 132 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: are doing. So you skull some, you leave some in 133 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: the last thing you're going to do is go spend 134 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: an hour and try and figure it out. So taking 135 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: the practice up, I think most people are using a 136 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: wedge that they haven't been fitted for, that maybe came 137 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: with the set. And then if you're a more competitive golfer, 138 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: more of an elite golfer, you might have the wrong 139 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: type of wedge for the bunkers that you mainly play 140 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: at your club. So I think most golfers wouldn't you agree, 141 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: find a wedge that is going to help you first 142 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: and foremost at the course you play on a regular 143 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: basis the sand that you try. So there's two types 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: of sand. There's more of that hard packed wet sand 145 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: if you live in a climate where it rains a lot, 146 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: and then there's going to be the finer courser sand 147 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: like we see at Augusta that we see on tour. 148 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: So when you're looking arc at a at a wedge 149 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: set up and a wedge choice from a bounce and 150 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: a loft standpoint, what do you think is a good 151 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: kind of versatile wedge for the Because most people don't 152 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: have the money to invest in a couple of different 153 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: wedges in their sand wedge and their lob wedge. You know, 154 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: tour players can say, hey, let me try out a 155 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 1: bunch of them. They'll they'll carry maybe different lofts and stuff, 156 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: will carry sixty fifty eight depending on the course, to 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: maybe go fifty six. But they'll also be trying out 158 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: different grinds. But for pretty much everybody listening to this podcast, 159 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: they have one sand wedge, they have one lob wedge. 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: So how do we help the listeners get that choice 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: of equipment right? 162 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: Well, let's look at the bunker first. If you're bunker 163 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: home courses firm course, the club doesn't dig as much. 164 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: The ball comes out faster versus the soft, sandy, wide 165 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: fresh almost beach like sand, the ball comes out slower 166 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: and higher. So when the ball comes out slower and higher, 167 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: we need less loft to counteract that fifty six degree. 168 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: Most people would think, okay, let me just throw as 169 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: much loft as I can bite club choice, and then 170 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: let me take my sixty degree and then let me 171 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: take this thing, lay it wide open, yep. Because the 172 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: thought process is, okay, that's how I would hit a 173 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: flop shot stuff like that. So how is the bunker 174 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: shot different than a regular chip shot. Let's say you've 175 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: got a sixty degree or a fifty eight, So you've 176 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: got the club that's got the most loft in your bag, 177 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: and you look at the way that you play shots 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: around the greens to get the golf ball in the air. 179 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that are going to 180 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: be different set up wedge makeup once we get into 181 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: the bunker. 182 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: Yes, once you get into the bunker, a flop shot 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: is pretty close to what a flop shot would be 184 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 2: like in deeper rough out of the bunker, right, it's 185 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 2: pretty close. You still got to be able to read 186 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: that sand and know are you in the low part 187 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: of the bunker where it's typically firmer, or maybe you're 188 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: towards the edges or the higher part where it's typically 189 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: softer where the sand is raked up against the bunker. 190 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: So based on that read, just like any other read 191 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: when you're chipping, you need to know what loft you 192 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: need to use. And if we just have like average 193 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 2: bouts like eight degrees, like a versatile with keerbra the 194 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: m grind with tide lists, if you just have that 195 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: average wedge, right, you know that you're gonna have to 196 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: open up a wedge when it's firmer just a little bit. 197 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: You actually probably need to close it slightly when it's 198 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: super soft, because we need to be able to still 199 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: have enough energy to get the ball out. 200 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: One of the things that you said there, I think 201 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: what we see a lot of in lessons, certainly from 202 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: a wedge makeup and certainly from a bunker game set up. 203 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: I see extremes on either way way way too much 204 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: bouncey or just no bounce at all. Right, But I 205 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: think that's a bad that's a bad space, and that's 206 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a really dangerous place to get into because then you've 207 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: got a tool that is unfit for the task you're 208 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: going to try and use it for. 209 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 2: So you know, if you're a wedge fitter, you need 210 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: to have that kind of sand wedge that has one 211 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 2: type of bounce and that higher lofted wedge that has 212 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: a different type of bounts. So you have a choice. 213 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: You can utilize either weapon based on the lie read 214 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 2: and that has to come from a fitting, but from 215 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: a general perspective, if you haven't been fit for one, 216 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: I do need a fifty six that looks different than 217 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: a sixty or fifty four that looks different than a 218 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 2: fifty eight. I need it to be different. One high, 219 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: one low. That's kind of the bottom line. 220 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: And that's just for options. 221 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: And this is just visual. Don't look at the manufacturer's 222 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: numbers on there. Just look at does one have literally 223 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: more bounced than the other? Take that one. Put that 224 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: maybe in your sixty. If one has a little less bounce, 225 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: maybe use that in fifty six. The wedges I have 226 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: from Kruber right now, the w the wide low is 227 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: like an automatic bunker wedge for me, and it's an 228 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: amazing It's a super wide wedge with very little back 229 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: end bounce but some front end bounce. And that's like 230 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: an automatic wedge shot for me. And I've been coming 231 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: from a Vokey s grind, which looks much more like 232 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 2: a seven iron with a lot of bounce. So it's 233 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: a totally different shot. 234 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: And for everyone listening RN, I mean, we know what bounce, 235 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: but what is bounce on a wedge? I think so 236 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: many people won. First of all, they don't know what 237 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: bountce means. And if you don't know what bounce means, 238 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: it becomes very very difficult to use The bouts right 239 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: for the shot that you're trying to get. 240 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: It's very confusing to compare across manufacturers. That's why you 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: just have to look at the the basic shape. What 242 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 2: does the trailing edge look like, what does the front 243 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: edge look like, and what is the difference in angle 244 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: between those two edges. That's all we're talking about. And 245 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 2: there's a whole bunch of different ways you can kind 246 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 2: of grind that soul to fit particular conditions or a 247 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: particular player, staffs or right particular shots that you're particular shots. 248 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: Like for the w the wide low with Coba automatic 249 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: bunker wedge, and it works. 250 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: The wide from Cobra works. 251 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 2: Why to me, it works for two reasons. Number one, 252 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: it's super wide and when you open up that type 253 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: of wedge, you almost triple the amount of angle you 254 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: have from front edge to back edge, meaning you triple 255 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: the amount of effective bounce. The I think that's really 256 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: cool about it is the grind behind on the trailing 257 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: edge has this little kind of crescent moon into it, 258 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: so it comes into the sand with a little less friction. 259 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: So to me, the ball comes out much easier and faster. 260 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: And I've always kind of been an aggressive kind of 261 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: Texas style, kind of get down, get square, but get down, 262 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: get after it and try to pop it out kind 263 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: of like a Tiger wits like steep to kind of 264 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: low finish, and with this particular wedge, I definitely had 265 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: to change my style a little bit more to maybe 266 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: a Jason Day's style just a little bit, which has 267 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: a little bit of a longer, kind of helpy follow through. 268 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: But in general, I try to have that really steep 269 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: takeaway and really steep attack. And to me, that's how 270 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: I grew up watching Tiger and Nicholson hit bunker shots. 271 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think most golfers would you agree. I 272 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: see more golfers making a short back swing and a 273 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: short follow through that struggle. 274 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: I see a lot of chippy, kind of picky, finesse 275 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: type moves in a bunker shot. Just by nature of 276 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: the sand, it's not a finesse shot. The sand takes 277 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: away all the speed, so we need to kind of 278 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: replace that speed with an aggressive style. 279 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: It's really like, I've never heard it described that way, 280 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: but that was another I said it earlier. The sand 281 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: is going to slow the golf club down. But I 282 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: love that, and I think that's a really good kind 283 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: of thought that you should keep in your head when 284 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: you get into the book. Okay, the sand is going 285 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: to slow everything down, so I have to then offset 286 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: the fact that the sand is going to slow everything 287 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: down by adding speed in other places. 288 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 2: Yes, so it's much like a power swing or a 289 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: driver swing. We need a little weight shift, maybe a 290 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: little wider stance, and definitely a bigger backswing, maybe a 291 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: little more hinge. But I really don't talk about hinge 292 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: with bunkers. I just want the club up yeap because 293 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: I want to club They returned down almost like a 294 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: ve go, straight up, straight down. 295 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: And also I think that it's important to the analogy 296 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: that I always use our sea is the bunker shot 297 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: is as if a beach ball is on water. Right, 298 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: So if you're waist high in a pool and there's 299 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: a beach ball on it, to make the beach ball 300 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: go up, you need to hit down on the water. 301 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: By hitting down on the water or so the water 302 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: splashes it up. If you're gonna try and get a 303 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: beach ball up off the water with your hand and 304 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna try and swing up, you're eventually your arc 305 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: is going to bottom out and that's probably the two 306 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: shots that we see the most out of the bunker. 307 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: The skull kind of over the green, or the skull 308 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: straight into the lip of the bunker, or the one 309 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: where we hit massively behind it hit it fat. They're 310 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: both calls by the same thing. We're trying to get 311 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: the golf ball up by swinging low to high like 312 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: we would do with a driver when it's on a tee. 313 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: You try that in a bunker, you're gonna hit six 314 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: inches behind it and the sand will go further than 315 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: the ball. 316 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: Yep. Maybe once in a while we have, like the no 317 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: problem has so much power, we have to kind of 318 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: turn that power off too. So I think there's some 319 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: high speed problems. But those type of players are going 320 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: into the bunker. 321 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: Two, where are you on setup wise? What's a good 322 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of rule of thumb for a basic bunker game 323 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: setup meaning ball position, meaning weight left and right, just 324 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: from a pure setup, Because we see a lot of 325 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: people that have you know, they've read the magazines. Okay, 326 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get wide open with my stands, yes, But 327 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: then a lot of times I think when players get 328 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: super super open with their stands, what they don't realize 329 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: is how far back in the stance the golf ball 330 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: now becomes. So we get those players that get in there, 331 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, they kind of get in the first thing 332 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: they do they lay the face wide open, and now 333 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: they kind of put their body on kind of a 334 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: forty five degree angle to the left. Now the golf 335 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: ball is off their trail foot their right foot if 336 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: you're handed golfer, left foot, if your left hand, and 337 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: it's back in the stance. That is the death set. 338 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 2: Up move correct. I'm always trying to get people back 339 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: to neutral. So I like people are relatively. 340 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: Squared, maybe just a little open. 341 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: Mostly relatively square. I'll give you maybe one ball open, okay. 342 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: And the reason for the square setup in your opinion. 343 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 2: Is what because most people tend to be open and 344 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: come from a draw path and that drives it right 345 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: into the face. I much rather be square path, take 346 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: it a little bit outside and then kind of come 347 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: over a square. 348 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Set up, correct, and then take it a little bit 349 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: outside on the back swing. 350 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Yep. And that's also another another hack too. If you're 351 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: always making great contact and the bunkers or the ball 352 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 2: is never leaving the bunker. To me, you maybe have 353 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: too much of a fad swing. So sit up square 354 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: and try to draw it out of the bunker and 355 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: see if that provides a little more energy. 356 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because I do think a lot of the problems 357 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: that we see is that kind of okay, first and 358 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: forest and the other thing. If you're going to open 359 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: the club, this sounds very kind of basic. If you're 360 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: going to open the golf club, you open the golf 361 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: club first, then take your grip. We see a lot 362 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: of people take their grip then open the golf club. 363 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: Their grip is in the same place. As soon as 364 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: that club comes back to impact, the face is going 365 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: to be closed. But I do see it's interesting that 366 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: you say that the draw pattern. I do see a 367 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of players that they've read the magazines. They're trying 368 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: to do the right thing. They've got their body open, 369 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, they've got their body pointing left, they've got 370 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: the club face open. They're taking the golf club on 371 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: the outside. But as you said, sometimes they're doing that 372 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: so much, but they basically just cut across the golf 373 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: ball and there's no chance. So you like a square 374 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: to just maybe a fraction open ball. Position wise, RC 375 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: where we want the golf ball. 376 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: In general, I tell people to set it up like 377 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: a hybrid, so I feel like your stance is as 378 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: wide as a hybrid, and where the ball would be 379 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: would be not super far forward, but definitely not in 380 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: middle summer kind of right between three wood hybrid kind. 381 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: Of but way more forward than you guess. Because that's 382 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: another thing that that that I see on a regular 383 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: basis is the ball position. First of all, even if 384 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: they don't open up their body, the ball position becomes 385 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: basically where it would be for a seven iron. And again, 386 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: if that's happening, the golf swing is a semi circle. 387 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: The arc is going to bottom out. 388 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: Way too late, ball right in the mouth. Yes, you 389 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: need that ball in most cases, everyone needs it a 390 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: little more. 391 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Forward shaft position. And again I think this is one 392 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: of the easiest hacks you can have. I think most 393 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: people in the bunker set up to it with a 394 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: lot of forward shaft leen. Yeah, like a chip which 395 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: is then delofting the wedge even if they're opening the 396 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: face as soon as they get that handle forward. And remember, 397 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: your set up position is just like in a full swing. 398 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: So if you're hitting a seven iron, you're want to 399 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: set up with your seven iron with a little bit 400 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: of forward press if you've got your driver, if you 401 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: set up with the same type of forward press that 402 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: you have with your seven iron, that's a death move 403 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: as well. So the handle position and the shaft a 404 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: little bit back, more back. But where do you come 405 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 1: in on that one? 406 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 2: Definitely not not forward. Yeah, start if I need them 407 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: neutral first, Maybe a little lean back. 408 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: So kind of I can look at yourself and face 409 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: on and say, okay, is the shaft kind of straight 410 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: up and down kind of a ninety. We don't want 411 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: too much forward. But if you are going to try 412 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: and get the golf ball to come land higher and softer, 413 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: maybe just lean the shaft for sure, a little bit back. Yes, 414 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: the tall position, a little bit more forward. 415 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 2: Because essentially you're trying to scoop it out with some force, right, 416 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: and a lot of players have that are a release 417 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: that should be perfect for a bunker shot, assuming all 418 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 2: things are equal to what I try to do is 419 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: get people back to new level, shoulders, level hips, neutral stance, 420 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: forward ball position to me is neutral, and then maybe 421 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: the shaft straight up and down, slightly leaning back. Let's 422 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: get you back to neutral first. 423 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: And The other thing I think that that kind of 424 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: seven iron setup does in the bunker to where you've 425 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: got the golf ball in the middle of your stance. 426 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: You're going to open right, You're going to open. Now 427 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: the golf ball gets really really back. So now that 428 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: handle gets massively forward yep, and then. 429 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: Now my body has to go backwards. 430 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Now the body has to go backwards. And the other 431 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: thing is I think you've talked about kind of neutralling 432 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: everything out when we see that kind of iron setup 433 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: for the bunker, neutral hands forward. The other thing that 434 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: tends to happen is that left if you're a right 435 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: handed golfer, your lead shoulder, your left shoulder starts to 436 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: get really really high. Yes, so neutralling out the shoulders. 437 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: A good way to do that is go ahead and 438 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: take your setup, take your grip, then take your left 439 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: hand off the golf club and just let your left 440 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: arm hang naturally cross It's a good way for you 441 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: to kind of level out your shoulders. 442 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I cross hand grip YEP, trying to keep 443 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: their shoulders neutral, and then we turn those hands back 444 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: to conventional grip. 445 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: My grandfather was on the cover of I think sports 446 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: illustrator or golf digest, you know. And he was a 447 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: great bunker player, having grown up at wingfoot, and his 448 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: philosophy was, you should be able to get out of 449 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: the bunker with one hand, and it's your trail hand. 450 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: So if you're right handed golfer, it would be right handed, 451 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: left handed, go over your left hand, but the right 452 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: hand and the right arm. I think in the bunker game, 453 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: I see a lot of people driving and pulling with 454 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: their left hand, their lead hand much more. My dad 455 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: used to say all the time when we back in 456 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: the day, when we used to give golf schools, he 457 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 1: would say, listen, the bunker shot is very much a 458 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: right handed right arm. It's your right side, your right hand, 459 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: your right arm. It's very much a one handed And 460 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: one of the great ways to learn how the weg 461 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: should work in a bunker is to hit some and 462 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: teach yourself how to hit it one handed with your 463 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: trail hand. 464 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to take a lot of speed out 465 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: of that right hand. It's going to take a very 466 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: neutral setup with the shoulders and everything, and then you're 467 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 2: going to be able to feel how that club is 468 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: supposed to release and release aggressively hit the ball still 469 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: coming out high and soft, with utilizing the sand correctly. 470 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the bunker shot. It's interesting that you mentioned 471 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: that most people from the top of the back swing 472 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: in their full swing, the kinematic sequence should be, you know, 473 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: at the top of the back swing, we should start 474 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: to see the lower body fire first, the upper body 475 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: fire second, the lead hands and the hands fire third, 476 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: and then the last thing into impact is the golf club. 477 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: Most handicapped golfers are the opposite. The first move at 478 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: the top of the back swing is the arms and 479 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: golf club fire, not the body. But that's actually what 480 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: we want and need in a bunker shot. Talking about 481 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: the sequence, how the sequence of a full swing with 482 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: an iron is going to be different than the sequence 483 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: of a bunker shot. 484 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, essentially, like driver swinging iron swing, we're looking to 485 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: create efficient power, right, and then with short game bunker shot, 486 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: in this case, we're only looking for precision. So the 487 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: body needs to work almost in the opposite fashion to 488 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 2: create kind of a precision style swing. And essentially what 489 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 2: we're looking for almost essentially is the hands, the arms 490 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: and the chest are working together almost at the same speed, 491 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: and the lower bodies a much more quieter. There's no drive, 492 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: there's no rotation. It's a little more of a kind 493 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: of a stable platform. 494 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: So set up wise thinking about and that's another thing, 495 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: I think the wider the stance in the bunker, the better, 496 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: typically is better because more narrow the legs and the 497 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: body are going to move around a lot. And I 498 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: like what you said there that lower body. I think 499 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: a really good hack for the bunker is the lower 500 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: body should be incredibly stable. Yes, because we're trying to 501 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: swing our arms almost past our body. 502 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: You're digging our feet out. 503 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's why we dig the stance. And you 504 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: see tour players get in there and they dig that 505 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: lower body. They're going to try and keep the lower 506 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: body as stable. We don't need hip turn, we don't 507 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: need rotation of the hips towards the target. So really 508 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: really firm, stable lower body. Talk to me about the 509 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,959 Speaker 1: movement powdered in the bunker shot with the upper body. 510 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: I think one of the things I like to see, 511 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: based on being very neutral and getting a player back 512 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: to the neutral is that the upper body is actually 513 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: slightly open because that keeps your chest a little more 514 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: on top of the ball versus closed or leaning right, 515 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: should or lower That puts your chest almost in front 516 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: of the ball. So I kind of like a square stance. 517 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 2: If the chest is in the right spot, I'm happy. 518 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: If I need to get them to get a little 519 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: more chest on top of the ball, one easy hack 520 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: is to be square, stands slightly open shoulders, and then 521 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: again that also helps you take it more outside and 522 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: how to hit that kind of square stance cutshot. That's 523 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: kind of my go to bunker's style, if you will. 524 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: Explain that a little more, the square stance cutshot. Yes. 525 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: So in general, most Americans have been taught to aim left, 526 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 2: swing left. What that produces is very little energy and 527 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: sometimes almost to draw. So we get either a super 528 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: soft bunker shot that not get that doesn't get out 529 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: of the bunker, or they can kind of time it 530 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: up and hit that kind of inside out kind of 531 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: freed couple's type of move. In my opinion, being squared, 532 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: just like a normal golf swing is what we need 533 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 2: to be like because we're basically trying to hit a 534 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: normal golf swing, but we're hitting the sand instead of 535 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 2: the golf ball right, so we get squared. Maybe one 536 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: ball left to target or one cup left of target. 537 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 2: And then in most cases people need to be steeper. 538 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: And one great hack to be steeper is to just 539 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: hit a cut shut. So the better player, let's get 540 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 2: them more outside and cut across it. Maybe the higher 541 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: handicap has too much of that slice swing. 542 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: So they could take it back a little bit more neutral, and. 543 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 2: I can get it more neutral, just like, hey, just 544 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: try to feel like you're going to draw this out 545 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: of the bunker. So it gives me a stable, a 546 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: very neutral platform to attack almost any problem I see. 547 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: And that's where I start with that neutral stance. 548 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: Dibbot. What should digbots look like? Depth of dibbots, because 549 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I see a lot of people struggle in 550 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: the bunker because they've got that handle forward, that leading edge, 551 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: and the club just digs. And that's where you're going 552 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: to see the club dig into a lot of the 553 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: wet sand that's kind of underneath that kind of first 554 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: layer where is my dad used to call it the thump. Yeah, 555 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: the good bunker player will have a little bit more 556 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: of that shallow dibboit the dibboit will be a little 557 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: bit more oval shape. 558 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: Yep. 559 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: The dibbot will be pointing a little bit more towards 560 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: the target those dibits, like you said, when that path 561 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: gets really really left, they can start going massively left. 562 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 2: Yes, that thump that audio we're looking for is kind 563 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: of like that, kind of a nice soft, sweet thump, 564 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: almost like a click as well out of the bunker. 565 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 2: So we know if it's a little too deep and 566 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 2: bassy and thumpy, maybe we're too steep, or maybe the 567 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: club face is too closed, if it's too shallow and 568 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: maybe too higher pitched. Maybe they got too much bounce, 569 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: maybe they're not deep enough to get enough effective sand 570 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: to get to the bunker or get out of the bunker. 571 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just think getting in the bunker and 572 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: working on your setup. The other thing is, I think 573 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people are swinging so far away from 574 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: their intent tend to target in the bunker that path 575 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: gets really really left. So one of the things that 576 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: I always try and do with players is wherever the 577 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: ball is and wherever their target is, I'll kind of 578 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: draw that arrow in front of the ball and say, 579 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: listen for people that are really cutting across it, swing 580 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: the club more towards where your target is as opposed 581 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: to swinging so much left. 582 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a great way to do it, using the 583 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: grip of the wedge to kind of create those lines. 584 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: Perfect way to do it. I think back in the 585 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: day twenty years ago, we used to put the wood 586 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 2: maybe underneath the sand and kind of bury it. You 587 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: can kind of bounce it off the wood at first 588 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: when you're starting to golf school and see how effective 589 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: they are with the bunker shots. But that just helps 590 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: them get a good sense of what neutral feels like. 591 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: So choose the right wedge for the bunkers that you're 592 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: going to play. 593 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Got to be able to read. If it's soft, we 594 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 2: probably need less loft. If it's super firm, of course 595 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: we're going to probably need more or left because we 596 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: need to kind of get that loft and aggress in 597 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: this out of the bunker. 598 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: And then getting players to hit some ball position more forward, neutral, setup, right, neutral, 599 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe just a little bit left, but making sure that 600 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: handle doesn't get too too far forward, getting that shaft 601 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: at ninety and then basically just trying to hit a 602 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: little cut shot. If you're doing that too much, work 603 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the opposite say, okay, I'm cutting across this too much. 604 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go neutral set up, and now I'm gonna 605 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: have a little bit more of. 606 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: A draw field, and I'm always going back to that 607 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 2: Nicholson shot too. Just give me a ten yard bunker shot. 608 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: So either go put yourself ten yards away from a 609 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: pen or put a circle out there some tease and 610 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: just try to get something that flies around ten yards 611 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: and I guarantee you you'll be able to be within 612 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 2: a good chance of saving par if you hit a 613 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,479 Speaker 2: bunker shot ten yards out of the bunker. 614 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: Great stuff, RC, We will get you back on for 615 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: these kind of quick fire basic stuff. I think a 616 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: lot of people are out there playing right now, and 617 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I think the information that we can give them on 618 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: just some of this basic basic stuff can really really 619 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: help them with their games. RC, there's a reason why 620 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: we call you Wedge from Asterson. Thanks for being on 621 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: the podcast. It's the Son of a Butch Podcast. We 622 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: will see you next week.