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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: nor with you. Donna Kaufman back with US. Journalist. Author

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Speaker 1: specializes in true crime, covering major homicides, missing persons. She

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Speaker 1: writes books with doctor Cyril Wecht, one of the best

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Speaker 1: known medical pathologists of all time. Their fourth book is

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Speaker 1: out now. It's called The JFK Assassination Dissected an Analysis

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Speaker 1: by forensic pathologist Sarah Wecht And Donna, welcome back. How

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Speaker 1: are you hope everything as well? Oh, George, it's so

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Speaker 1: good to hear your voice again, and oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk to you. Thank you for having me. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to this. This is a great then. Sarah, by

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Speaker 1: the way, is a great guy, isn't he. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: only he had come out of his shell, right, he

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Speaker 1: is just so full of energy and so full of

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Speaker 1: facts and information. We began this book probably six years ago,

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Speaker 1: and it's just because he was telling me all these

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Speaker 1: stories and I thought, you know, this has to go

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Speaker 1: into a book. Typically our books are four to seven

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Speaker 1: cases because he has as a forensic pathologist and slash

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Speaker 1: lawyer done autopsies on twenty one thousand plus people and

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Speaker 1: has consulted on another forty one thousand plus cases. So

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Speaker 1: I have a full reign to choose the twistiest, craziest

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Speaker 1: cases we can find and make them all different. And

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Speaker 1: that's what our three books have been prior to this.

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Speaker 1: We had one come out during the summer. But this

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Speaker 1: is our first one case book, and it's Cyril's Great

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Speaker 1: White Whale. This is his Moby Dick because he's been

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Speaker 1: on this case of JFK, which we know now fifty

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Speaker 1: eight years ago yesterday. What happened in Dallas still haunts

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Speaker 1: Cyril Wette still haunts me. I was a kid. I

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Speaker 1: remember it well and still haunts America and the world.

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Speaker 1: It does. Done. I got to tell you. I was

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Speaker 1: thirteen years old and my teacher came into our English class,

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Speaker 1: of years ago. She was sobbing. Nobody knew why, and

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Speaker 1: she told us the president had been killed. And we're

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Speaker 1: thirteen years old. It's not registering. It's not hitting us.

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Speaker 1: were watching of course, CBS with Walter Crunkite from Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 1: The flash apparently official. President Kennedy died at one pm

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Speaker 1: Central Standard time two o'clock Eastern Standard time, some thirty

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Speaker 1: eight minutes ago. Vice President Lyndon Johnson has left the

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Speaker 1: hospital in Dallas, but we do not know to where

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Speaker 1: he has proceeded. Presumably he will be taking the oath

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Speaker 1: of office shortly and become the thirty sixth President of

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Speaker 1: the United States. That moment where Cronkite had some silence,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget that, Donna, Oh me neither. I've never

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Speaker 1: seen that before. And now, of course things are different

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Speaker 1: and people are more emotional. But he was a friend

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Speaker 1: of JFK. And he was the person that we all

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Speaker 1: and this hit him hard. He was in New York

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Speaker 1: want to hear it. He wanted confirmation from another source

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Speaker 1: We describe all of this, but it was very emotional

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Speaker 1: we all remember where we were, what we were doing.

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Speaker 1: And then the same thing happened five years later with

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Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy. Senator Robert Kennedy, and your last guest is

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Speaker 1: you Robert Kennedy Junior for saying that. Well, there's no

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Speaker 1: And in the in the Robert Kennedy case, Sirhan shot

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Speaker 1: all those five people suffered injuries but survived. But Sir

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Speaker 1: want to know from Sirhand is who statized him? Where?

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Speaker 1: he had his sixteenth parole hearing, and generally the prosecutors

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Speaker 1: And that guy was never arrested. He died shortly a

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Speaker 1: You know, So this is why. And when Sir Hann

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Speaker 1: that would happen to anybody. They were enormous his original case,

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Speaker 1: his original attorneys, and it was absurd. They had Thomas Negucci,

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Speaker 1: maybe now we will see sir hand free. Bobby Junior

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Speaker 1: Producer Tom has been in touch with her Hen's brother

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Speaker 1: it's amazing that this kind of powerful brainwashing is still

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Speaker 1: then let's get him free, and then let's try to

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Speaker 1: in that situation, of course, I'm convinced that this was

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Speaker 1: Kennedy's assassination because of sadly, Bobby's work to try to

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Speaker 1: an intelligence agency. Now they did serve a purpose. They

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Speaker 1: had the strong arm, the long arm to arrange those things. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Donna Kaufman with us. Our latest book is called The

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Speaker 1: JFK Assassination Dissected, an Analysis by forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht.

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Speaker 1: How did you and Cyril hook up for all these

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Speaker 1: four books. Well, I was a report for the American

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Speaker 1: I just couldn't get enough of Oh, it brought out

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Speaker 1: of these cases. So we became friendly then. And then

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Speaker 1: with it. Remember that, taking a mini series about her

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Speaker 1: as if she's a hero. It's absolutely repulsive. Cheryl wrote

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Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Post Dispatch, Charlie Bosworth Junior. They wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called Who Kills Jehan Bonnet Ramsey. It's a

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Speaker 1: wonderful book. It's the book to read on that case. Yes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of strange cases out there, Donna Arthur, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I know, but you know what, I love them.

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Speaker 1: And you never finish with the case. Yea. Our second

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Speaker 1: And there's just because it's in a book and is

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Speaker 1: someone's in jail and you wash your hands of the case. No,

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Speaker 1: guess what things happen people get out of jail. That's

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Speaker 1: McFarland is the same company that is doing the JFK

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