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Speaker 2: So you will recall we covered last week how Trump

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Speaker 2: de facto blocked Anthropic's latest release, Fable five as being

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Speaker 2: too dangerous. He was asked about that in his relationship

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Speaker 2: with Anthropic recently. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: We have a situation with Anthropic and we didn't like

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Speaker 3: what they were doing, and so far, I think they've

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Speaker 3: behaved very responsibly to our request.

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Speaker 4: To you view Anthropic and to a degree at CEO

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Speaker 4: Dario Amiday as a threat to national security.

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Speaker 3: Well, not now, but a week ago, maybe I was

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Speaker 3: with him yesterday he made a speech. I made a

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Speaker 3: little speech. We were in the room on the G

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Speaker 3: seven and seems like a nice guy, smart guy. But

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Speaker 3: he responded to us very quickly, because you know it's

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Speaker 3: tremendous liability. People get put in prison immediately for that.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can't play games with it. And he

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Speaker 3: responded very responsibly. I thought, so far, I think he will.

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Speaker 4: Do you have the power and the inclination to shut

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Speaker 4: them down or possibly take.

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Speaker 3: Them Well, I don't want to do that because I'm

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Speaker 3: somebody that you know, we're beating China by a lot.

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Speaker 3: And Ai I was with President She we talked about it.

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Speaker 3: We're beating China by a lot. Everyone thought that we

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Speaker 3: didn't have the electricity. I came up with an idea.

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Speaker 3: I thought of it myself. I let them build their

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Speaker 3: own electric plants when they're building their factory. Is that

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Speaker 3: way they don't have to use an old grid and

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Speaker 3: they actually sell back into the grid at a cheap price.

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Speaker 3: Excess electricity. They need massive amounts, it's amazing. Or they

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Speaker 3: need double the amount of electricity that this country produces

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Speaker 3: for everything to run it. So I had the idea,

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Speaker 3: said I'm going to let them. I mean, we don't

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Speaker 3: have that kind of electricity, really, nobody does. And they're

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Speaker 3: building their plants and they're building the most incredible electric

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Speaker 3: producing factories you've ever seen. So we're leading China by

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Speaker 3: a lot. It's going to be for the good, and

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Speaker 3: we're watching for the bed is there? I think the

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Speaker 3: good Let me put it in a different way, The

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Speaker 3: good far outweighs the bed. We are going to find

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Speaker 3: the bed and we're going to stop it.

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Speaker 2: So you'll call the way that we got here is

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Speaker 2: Entropic developed Mythos and they restrained themselves from releasing it

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Speaker 2: and partnered with the federal government that allowed access to

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Speaker 2: a few sort of trusted large players. And the concern

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Speaker 2: there was that Mythos was so powerful it could easily

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Speaker 2: identify all of these security glitches where it would make

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Speaker 2: it very easy for nefarious actors to hack.

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Speaker 5: Into various systems.

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Speaker 2: Fable five was supposed to be Mythos with a lot

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Speaker 2: of guardrails, so it was supposed to be sort of

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Speaker 2: like the safe version of Mythos. Then you have Amazon

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Speaker 2: reportedly coming in and saying, hey, we sent found some

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Speaker 2: problems with Fable five. We don't think that this is tenable.

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Speaker 2: We think that this is unsafe. The Trump administration reacts,

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Speaker 2: they say, Okay, no foreign national can have access to this.

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Speaker 2: This basically de facto makes it so that Fable five

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Speaker 2: has to be pulled. So all of that is a

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Speaker 2: long way of saying, we're not getting some more information

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Speaker 2: really was. Let's put this Economist excerpt up on the

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Speaker 2: screen here, so they sat here that On June eleventh,

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Speaker 2: Mark Warner, the vice chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee,

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Speaker 2: said that General Joshua Brudd, who leads the National Security

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Speaker 2: Agent and the Pentagon's cyber Command, had told him Mythos

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Speaker 2: broke into almost all of our classified systems, not in weeks,

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Speaker 2: maybe I should have added some caveats here. This is

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Speaker 2: from shishenk Kyoshi. Is that how sh Shishank Kyoshi, This

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Speaker 5: I wrote last week in an.

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Speaker 2: Article by the Way that was critical of the decision

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Speaker 2: to pull fable five. I accurately quoted Mark Warner, weis

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Speaker 2: had told him Mythos broken almost all of our classified systems,

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Speaker 2: not in weeks, but in hours. But it would be

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Speaker 2: a mistake to read that literally. I think it surely

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Speaker 2: depends on using Mythos alongside other tools under very particular conditions.

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Speaker 2: I quoted it to give a sense of Mythos's potency,

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Speaker 2: but it was a mistake not to have added caveats.

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Speaker 5: I don't really know.

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Speaker 2: What he's saying here that makes that you assessment that

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Speaker 2: they've broken all the systems.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not understanding, but I don't understand how this

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Speaker 2: some particular circumstances and they had to use other tools. Well,

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Speaker 2: are those tools available broadly or not?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Well, remember that Mark Warner is the ranking Democrat or sorry, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee. It

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Speaker 1: was one of the most deeply national security embedded senators

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Speaker 1: in all of Washington. If you want to look for

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Speaker 1: a mouth of the deep state, here it is. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was an accident to say this is true.

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Speaker 1: I did see a lot of cybersecurity professionals saying that

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Speaker 1: this seemed unbelievable, and they're like, well, if this is true,

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Speaker 1: then the NSA just has bad cybersecurity, and like, look,

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Speaker 1: never underestimate government and competence. Yeah, whatever comes it also

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Speaker 1: potentially don't underestimate here commit Thos and Claude. But look,

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Speaker 1: I think what this demonstrates is the amount of questions

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Speaker 1: and the problem with the lack of scrutiny on these modelsifically,

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Speaker 1: because if there is some basis to this and it's

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Speaker 1: actually there, then obviously what the Trump administration did or

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Speaker 1: even what Trump laid out there in that clip is correct.

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Speaker 1: And it also just gets to the democratic control. You know,

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Speaker 1: here in northern Virginia, I was watching this news story

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Speaker 1: that was just the other day. I think it's sterling.

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Speaker 1: So it's not that far here from Washington, where a

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Speaker 1: next to this residential neighborhood, and as is common, the

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Speaker 1: data center had these huge generators. Now, the residents were

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Speaker 1: told that the wine of the generators would only be

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Speaker 1: on temporarily until the data center was hooked up to

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Speaker 1: the electric grid. Well, what's happened is that they've been

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Speaker 1: that some of the residents install plexa glass on their

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Speaker 1: values are nuked. They literally cannot sell this home. It

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Speaker 1: will drive you mad. Like somebody held up a decibel

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Speaker 1: for context, I've learned. I have a decimal meter now

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Speaker 1: on my phone. During the whole like newborn phase, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was trying to calibrate white noise to what it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be. Yes, these are a newborn dad, things

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Speaker 1: that you end up doing. And the limit is fifty.

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Speaker 1: Well this is like higher it outside almost a mile

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Speaker 1: you know, it was like a mile or so away

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Speaker 5: And two seven, how go lit break?

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Speaker 1: I would lose it? I would, I would, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would probably sell the house to the loss and

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Speaker 1: like I'd rather decar bankruptcy lives on. Like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't have that option or don't want to

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Speaker 1: do something like that. But that just what I'm linking

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Speaker 1: them to is democratic control. These things get built, there's

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Speaker 1: all these promises that are made, it'll be good for

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Speaker 1: the community, et cetera. Your quality of life just gets ruined,

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Speaker 1: and now you just have no recourse. You're just sitting

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Speaker 1: around there with plexiglass taped and tinfoil on your head.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's maddening. And this is where

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Speaker 1: with the I mean, do you guys feel this with spam,

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Speaker 1: Like the amount of spam that is now currently coming

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Speaker 1: to my phone. I think a lot about the original

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Speaker 1: tweets that were coming around AI with a lot of

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Speaker 1: many of these a these spam farms to use data

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Speaker 1: text message, phishing scams, mass like target email. This is

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Speaker 1: the stuff where it's all happening with no regulation and

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Speaker 1: is ultimately right, Like, you know, a phone was cool

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Speaker 1: because you could call people like I literally had to

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Speaker 1: go to the carrier to enable new settings to block

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Speaker 1: any if you if I don't have your number, my

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Speaker 1: phone's not ringing. Like that's ultimately what I had to

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Speaker 1: resort to just because I'm getting eighteen twenty five calls.

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Speaker 1: I know now based upon some of the spam farm

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Speaker 1: analysis I've seen a lot of it is powered by

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Speaker 1: these AI models, Like how can there be no right

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Speaker 1: we can figure it out. Yeah, I'm sure we can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, And that's the thing with the decision to effectively

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Speaker 2: block fable five is like, Okay, maybe that's the right decision.

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Speaker 5: We need a like a process.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this all came about because Anthropic is seen

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Speaker 2: have pronouns in their bio whatever there is, you should

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Speaker 2: have zero confidence that if this was Grock, if this

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Speaker 1: I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't worry, I'll do it. No, no worries. We're

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Speaker 2: right there. So you know, if it was one of them,

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Speaker 2: I have zero confidence that they would make the same decision.

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Speaker 2: So that's why these things there has to be transparency,

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Speaker 2: there has to be consistent scrutiny, there has to be

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Speaker 2: a completely different paradigm than what we're doing now. And

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Speaker 2: it's it's very disconcerting seeing all all of these guys

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Speaker 2: And in a sense, given the power that they have amassed,

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Speaker 2: both in terms of wealth and ability apparently to shape

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Speaker 2: the future of this country and the world, it makes

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Speaker 2: sense that should be deeply disturbing to all of us.

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Speaker 2: In fact, one of them, I can't remember which one

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Speaker 2: even you know, said effectively, it shouldn't this level of

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Speaker 2: decision making should not be in the hands of me,

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Speaker 2: It should not be in the hands of any single

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Speaker 2: one of these guys. And yet that de facto is

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Speaker 2: exactly what we have right now. But I think the

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Speaker 2: hack into some significant amount of NSAY systems. I saw

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Speaker 1: to the reflecting pool at night. It is what I

437
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Speaker 1: hope there's here's the reflecting pool. Do you remember that

438
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: mentos diet coke challenge thing? Yeah, back, so I was

439
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: very popular when I was a freshman in college. We

440
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: would do that all the time down there. This is

441
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Speaker 1: kind of stupidity that we would get up to. Well

442
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,719
Speaker 1: actually yeah, I mean I was eighteen years old, all right.

443
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Speaker 7: You know.

444
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: There might be a few cigarettes so that were thrown

445
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: around there. That's about it. But yeah, that's what we

446
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: would do when we were in college. Either again, I

447
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: hope there's a statute notations so I'm damage to the

448
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: reflecting pool. I think it was like, yeahational guard, it's

449
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 1: been a while, but sixteen years. I hope there's a

450
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: statute rotation anyway. So anyway, it's it's been a dump.

451
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: Nobody particularly cared. Trump made a huge show about redoing

452
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: the reflecting pool. I was like, okay, you know, sure,

453
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, the refecting pools always sucked. That's fine, fine

454
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: with me. And then you know, of course, you know

455
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: he put the blue ceiling. I was very skeptical as

456
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: it was, but I was like, okay, I finished product. Yeah,

457
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: it looks good. Great. And then the problem is there

458
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 1: had been you know, the reflectable has been green many times.

459
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: There's always been you know, duck crap, whatever and all that. Again,

460
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: nobody got two seconds about it. But by making such

461
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: a big show about it, by spending all this money

462
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Speaker 1: on it, it is now turned into a national story

463
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Speaker 1: in which you have to spend what is it, thirteen

464
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Speaker 1: million dollars, then drain the pool and the bleach, and

465
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 1: now everybody's like showing photos of the little duckling that

466
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Speaker 1: died in the reflect which is tragic. It's true, it

467
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: is deeply tragic. But it's like, you know, nobody would

468
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: have cared about this if you had just not touched

469
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Speaker 1: it in the first Yes, And so that is ultimately,

470
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Speaker 1: I think one of the stories about well.

471
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Speaker 2: And it's also it's always very interesting to think about

472
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: why something touches a cultural nerve, because like the ballroom

473
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: definitely did, and I understand why. It's because it's such

474
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: a monument to his ego and narcissism.

475
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 1: It results turning the president's house into his own.

476
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: Personal yes, monument, he's obsessed with it. It also, you know,

477
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: so it ties into the fact that he is not

478
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: focused on your financial condition, as he told you out right.

479
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: He's focused on this big monument to himself. You know,

480
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: there's all kinds of Oh, we're going to get the

481
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: donors in. No, actually the taxpayer is going to have

482
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 2: to fund. And so it becomes this emblem of who

483
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: he is and the way he operates. And there's a

484
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 2: little bit of that with the reflecting pool too. It's like, Okay,

485
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: he identifies this thing. Yeah, I'd be great if the

486
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 2: reflecting pool was nice. Sure, you know, I'm for beautification

487
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Speaker 2: of the Capitol. I think would be you know, I

488
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 2: think that's lovely. But then he has to go about

489
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Speaker 2: it in the dumbest and most narcissistic way. Right he

490
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: hires this contractor. We can put this up on the screen.

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, Soccer thought this was ai.

492
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Speaker 1: This is no.

493
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Speaker 2: Actually I actually thought Griffin said this looks like a

494
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Speaker 2: soprano Season five to character literally does this is the

495
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: guy he called my pool guy? Okay, brings him in, No,

496
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: bid contract astronomical price thirteen fourteen million dollars to do

497
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: this job.

498
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Speaker 5: He has to have it done by his own birthday.

499
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 2: So I think what clearly happened here is the process

500
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 2: was rushed, did not consult with any experts. Apparently the

501
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: color that he wanted it to be was a problem

502
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: because it's darker and algae that attracts more warmth, and

503
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: of course the algae loves that, so it has to

504
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: be a rush job. The ceiling itself now obviously is

505
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: like peeling off and people are grabbing pieces of it,

506
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: et cetera. Very likely because it wasn't They didn't take

507
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: the time to properly dry the whole thing out. It

508
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: has to be completely dry, has to be primed and

509
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: like cleaned extensively before you can do this. But since

510
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: it had to be done by a certain time, they

511
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: rushed it, and now it's a complete disaster. So you

512
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 2: take something that's real, Okay, it'll be nice if the

513
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: capitol was more beautiful and we could be more proud

514
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: of you know this, and that was sure, take something

515
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: and then do it in the worst, dumbest, most corrupt

516
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Speaker 2: way and make everything way way worse.

517
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Speaker 5: Have the whole thing be about you, by.

518
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: The way, and now Sier to your point, all these

519
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: right wingers are trying to gaslight because it is funny.

520
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: You have all of these National reporters who are like

521
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: going down with underwater cameras and doing.

522
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Speaker 1: I means a mile away. I haven't been down to

523
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: the National Mall in like a decade. When you live

524
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: here and you know, people come from out of down

525
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I want to see them all go for it.

526
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Speaker 5: Okay, but now I am kind of like I do

527
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,719
Speaker 5: kind of what's going on.

528
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: It's all of these right wingers are like, are like,

529
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 2: you guys care so much about this versus whatever other

530
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: you know, their hobby horse of the day is spending

531
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: so much more time on this.

532
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Speaker 5: It's like Trump is the one who made this a thing.

533
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Speaker 2: Okay, you were happy to talk all about spind all

534
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: types of time talking about it, thinking about it that

535
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: what's his name, brailin Holly hand went down and did

536
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 2: a whole thing about you know, Oh, here's the beautiful

537
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: reflecting pool, only dune. Trump magnificent gold make this happen.

538
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: So you people are the ones who made this a thing,

539
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: and now that it has gone sideways, you no longer

540
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: want to talk about it.

541
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Speaker 1: You know. That's the thing capital beautification love. I actually

542
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: think we should have city beautification like there should be

543
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: a national fund for example.

544
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 5: I agree absolutely.

545
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: The only problem is you can't fully Have you seen

546
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: the g Watt memorial what happened? It's like a mobius

547
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: strip of glass for the global War on Terror. It's

548
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: beyond hideous. So my only thing is I don't fully

549
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: trust these architectural review boards. Are these people who end

550
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: up creating said memorials. But yeah, but it's like with

551
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: the MLK. Remember that MLK statue that came out a

552
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: few years ago. Yeah, we all do it. Let's forget

553
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: and the g WAT thing. I don't really trust the experts,

554
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: but we also, you know, should we should be? We

555
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: should all agree yes with capital, not just capitol beautification,

556
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: with beautification of all of our national cities. I think

557
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: that would be a great use of funds. Actually, uh,

558
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: because it would make it so that our flagship cities

559
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: are awesome places to live and to visit. I'm totally

560
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: cool with that. What I'm not cool with, you know,

561
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: is even the current way it is going about. I'm

562
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: not sure if you've seen is Meridian Hill Park, and

563
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: this is very Washington, which is you know here I

564
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: think it's also called like Malcolm X Park has this

565
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: big fountain which had not worked for you know, several years.

566
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: Trump got the fountain to work, and again everyone's like,

567
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: oh my god, the fountain is working. Is awesome and

568
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: it is beautiful. But you know, I found out the

569
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: way that they're doing it is by siphoning those National

570
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Park entry entrance fees. It's not been appropriated by Congress,

571
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: so I'm like, hey, no, like, you know, I went

572
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: to a park recent, you know, you have paid twenty

573
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever to get in. They're using that. They're

574
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: sipening fees off from the National Park Service for capital beautification,

575
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: which okay, like I wouldn't care necessarily, but in the

576
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: way that the budget works, it actually shorts some of

577
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: the budgets for some of the other National parks, which

578
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to short those. Those are

579
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: those are awesome as well, you know, just as a

580
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: Washington you know, I'd rather, honestly, I'd rather have Yosemite

581
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: than whether the park, the fountain works or whatever in

582
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: Malcolm X Park or Meridian Meridian Hill Park. Here in Washington.

583
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: That just shows you that, you know, with the slap

584
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: shot kind of way, this is all going down. But yeah, nonetheless,

585
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: like you know, no one, no one would have cared

586
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: about this if it wasn't for you. And so when

587
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: you do a shitty job, yeah, it's going to turn

588
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: it into a national story. Yeah.

589
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: And the last thing put you for up on the screen.

590
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: They actually arrested this dude, David Hearn. He's a former Olympian.

591
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're cleaning, which.

592
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know was a thing.

593
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 5: But what's up.

594
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know Olympic canoeing was a thing. Oh

595
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: you didn't, but no, he's a three time canoe canoeing.

596
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 5: And he was on a bike ride.

597
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: So very physically fit gentlemen, apparently sixty seven years old,

598
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: representing the US and three Summer Olympics. Cues of intentionally

599
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: vandalizing the reflecting pool. Was seen reaching into the reflecting pool.

600
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 2: He denies vandalizing it. I'm a curious citizen, he told

601
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: the AP. I reached down to see what it felt like.

602
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: It was very rubbery. So now we've got a crackdown,

603
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: authoritary crackdown at the reflecting pool. You can you can

604
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: look but you cannot touch. If you put your hand

605
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: into this thing that is supposed to be public, public

606
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 2: monument that we should have full access to, then you

607
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: may well be arrested like this individual or you blasted

608
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: from Trump buncher of social etc. I love that he's

609
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: come up with some like you know, oh Antifa.

610
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: Plot to destroy the reflecting pool or whatever is.

611
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: What's going on here, instead of his own foolish, narcissistic incompetence.

612
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: As will be. This will be the new sandwich guy.

613
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: Oh sorry E five, I do have to show this

614
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: one too. This was a tweet from the US Interior.

615
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: This was several days ago June seventeen. Five days ago,

616
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Speaker 1: the advanced nanobubbler technology very effectively killed the allergy that

617
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: has plagued every reflecting pool reopening, most infamously Obama's reopening

618
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: since nineteen twenty two. Again, I've lived here for a

619
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Speaker 1: long time. I do not remember the quote reopening of

620
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: Obama of the reflected pool. The reflecting pool water is

621
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: crystal clear. Our National Park Service team is now vacuuming

622
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: up the dead algae resting on the bottom of the

623
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Speaker 1: reflecting pool, just like the destroyed Iranianity resting on the

624
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Speaker 1: bottom of the Persian. Yeah, just a lot going on here.

625
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Five days later, by the way, five days later, Donald

626
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: Trump announces I must drain the reflecting pool. So, by

627
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: the way, when they drain it, then we're all going

628
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: to see the amount of sea land and other stuff

629
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: which is broken up. I hate that I'm invested in this,

630
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: but I am. I guess it's like the ballroom. I

631
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: just got a surrender. I'm into it. I'm into it.

632
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go taking the fam Look, we

633
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:16,239
Speaker 1: did the responsible thing.

634
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: We put it towards the end of the show. Okay,

635
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: we led with the importance.

636
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I hate to say it. I'm in.

637
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm in, guys, you got me. I'm into this. Okay,

638
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Ryan's coming in. They're going to do some candidate interviews.

639
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Let's get to it.

640
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: There are a bunch of big primary contests in New

641
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: York City that is happening Tomorrow's or a mom. Donnie,

642
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: the mayor of course of that city, has endorsed a

643
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: slate of candidates, and two of those candidates who have

644
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: garnered his endorsement join us.

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 8: Now.

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00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: We have Claire Valdez, who is running in a Brooklyn

647
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Speaker 2: and Queens Center district.

648
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Speaker 5: And we also have.

649
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Speaker 2: Daria A Lisa Avila Chevalier who is running in Northern

650
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Manhattan District where actually used to live.

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Speaker 5: So know, they are quite well. Great to see you, ladies,

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Speaker 5: Good to see you.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for having us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: So Claire, let me start with you, and then Dary Elazia.

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Speaker 2: Darry Eliza, just also get your response. You know, how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling going into election day? What do you

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Speaker 2: see as the key issues coming down the stretch here?

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm very excited. It's been a long campaign,

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Speaker 8: but you know, I think the stakes are really high tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: The stakes are high for the entire working class. We

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Speaker 8: have the chance to elect some really amazing Congress members

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Speaker 8: who will be out in front standing for the working class,

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Speaker 8: fighting for a free Palestine, fighting for an affordable New York,

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Speaker 8: and really doing incredible organizing in Congress but on the

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Speaker 8: ground here in New York City. So I'm excited. You know,

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Speaker 8: people are talking a lot about the cost of housing.

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Speaker 8: This my district in New York seven, it's Brooklyn, Queens

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Speaker 8: It's overwhelmingly a tenant district, and people are really feeling

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Speaker 8: the crunch of rising rents.

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Speaker 7: People are also.

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Speaker 8: Outraged by the continuing genocide and Gaza and so there

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Speaker 8: are a lot of issues motivating people right now to

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Speaker 8: go to the polls and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: And Dari, Liza, how about for you.

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Speaker 6: Also feeling just incredible energy here on the ground. And

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Speaker 6: it's just been just such a privilege and honor to

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Speaker 6: be able to build a campaign.

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Speaker 7: That is responsive to the working people of this district.

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Speaker 7: I've had people.

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Speaker 6: Thank us for running because they this is the first

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Speaker 6: time that they have felt in over ninety years that

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Speaker 6: someone was fighting to actually represent the interests of the

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Speaker 6: working people who live here. And I think for so

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Speaker 6: many of us, we have been told that a politics

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Speaker 6: of cynicism was all that was that could exist. And

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Speaker 6: to be able to present a vision where we're fighting

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Speaker 6: for housing for all that is actually deeply affordable and

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Speaker 6: dignified for the people who live here, making sure that

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Speaker 6: we're fighting to abolish ice so that we don't have

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Speaker 6: to live under the terror of this institution, and to

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Speaker 6: make sure that we are using our resources to invest

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Speaker 6: our tax money in our babies here at home instead

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Speaker 6: of on bombs abroad.

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Speaker 7: That are destroying communities.

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Speaker 6: We need to be able to build affordable affordability here

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Speaker 6: in the city, and we do that by making sure

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Speaker 6: that our children can lead dignified lives, making sure that

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Speaker 6: we can have dignified homes, and making sure that we

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Speaker 6: have pathways the citizenship for so many in this community

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Speaker 6: who are just very fearful right now.

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Speaker 9: Both of you, as well as Brad Lander, who's running

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Speaker 9: the New York Attentists, are kind of running on a

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Speaker 9: Mayor Mamdanni backed slate in the city, and Mamdani is

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Speaker 9: currently getting a lot of criticism for some comments that

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Speaker 9: he made at a rally where he hit a pack

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Speaker 9: for moving dark money into races behind vehicles that don't

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Speaker 9: have kind of apax name on that want to play

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Speaker 9: those comments, then kind of get your reaction to it.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll Zoram Hamdani, for whom the only.

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Speaker 10: Thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its

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Speaker 10: course is an end to genocide. Netanyahu's wars. They move

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Speaker 10: millions in dark money to accomplish a single goal, to

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Speaker 10: preserve their power so that they can turn us against

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Speaker 10: one another instead of our leaders turning towards the moral

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Speaker 10: change we all know to be necessary in the politics

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Speaker 10: that for too long has asked working people to lower

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Speaker 10: their expectations, to settle for less, to become satisfied with

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Speaker 10: small victories while our wages grow even smaller and our

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Speaker 10: costs grow even larger, to resign ourselves, to resignation, to

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Speaker 10: accept the unacceptable. In the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest

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Speaker 10: country in the history of the world, we need not

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Speaker 10: live in fear of monsters any longer.

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Speaker 9: And for the context there, he started that clip by

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Speaker 9: referring to that famous Gramsey line where they say the

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Speaker 9: Old War, where he says the old world is dying,

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Speaker 9: the new as yet to be born in the middle

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Speaker 9: is the time of monsters. And so the criticism has

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Speaker 9: been that he's calling a pack and then replacing a

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Speaker 9: pack with Jewish New Yorker's monsters who are moving dark

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Speaker 9: money around. How has that affected the campaign and can

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Speaker 9: we get your speech to respond to that criticism?

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Speaker 6: You know, I personally think it's it's bigger than just APEC.

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Speaker 6: I think it's also a lot of money that's coming

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Speaker 6: from corporations and right wing lobbies that are having an

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Speaker 6: outsized impact in our democracy, and one where the only

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Speaker 6: tool that we have as working people is to outorganize it.

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Speaker 6: In my race in particular, there is over seven million

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Speaker 6: dollars in outside spending being spent to smear me and

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Speaker 6: deeply racist rhetoric, and my opponent has had folks, you know, surrogates,

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Speaker 6: go do media tours and Dominican Republic to engage in

742
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Speaker 6: a disinformation campaign that is not only.

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Speaker 7: Just so deeply divisive and racist, but also.

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Speaker 6: One that has really continued more of the politics of

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Speaker 6: cynicism that we are fighting against, where instead of talking

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Speaker 6: about the fact that housing is unaffordable in this district,

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Speaker 6: we're talking that they're talking about, you know, just disinformation

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Speaker 6: about my identity and about where my family comes from.

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Speaker 6: Rather than talking about how we need to abolish ice,

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Speaker 6: how we need to invest our tax dollars in our

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Speaker 6: children here where we have a childhood poverty available for

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Speaker 6: forty percent, they're talking, they're forcing our volunteers to have

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Speaker 6: to engage in de escalation because their camp is getting

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Speaker 6: aggressive with folks, And you know, I think.

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Speaker 7: It really is.

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Speaker 6: It's really hard to see how so many people have

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Speaker 6: come into this campaign because they're building a politics that

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Speaker 6: invest in hope and invest in life and see them

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Speaker 6: wanting to focus on that, but then having to question,

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Speaker 6: can I stay on this corner and continue to canvas safely?

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Speaker 7: And you know, I.

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Speaker 6: Think we're seeing a lot of what's appalling to me,

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Speaker 6: a lot of Maga style tactics coming from a democratic

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Speaker 6: incumbent that has been not only you know, concerning for

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Speaker 6: the safety of our volunteers, for the the conversation that

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Speaker 6: we're supposed to be having right now around affordability in

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Speaker 6: the city, but also seeing the way that money is

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Speaker 6: coming into this campaign to prevent folks from talking about

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Speaker 6: the issues that actually impact the day to day lives

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Speaker 6: that they lead.

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Speaker 2: Here, Claire, let me get your reaction to Josh Gottheimer.

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Speaker 2: If we can put F three up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is the flavor of criticism that that Zoron quote received.

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Speaker 2: He says, monsters, quote dark money, a hidden hand turning

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Speaker 2: us against one another, swap a pack for Jews, and

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Speaker 2: it's the oldest anti Semitic conspiracy theory in the books.

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Speaker 2: That's not criticizing a lobby that's laundering anti semitism from

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Speaker 2: your podium as mayor of a city with more than

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Speaker 2: a million Jews.

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Speaker 5: This bullshit is dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Did you have any issue with the comments that Zoron

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Speaker 2: made at that rally and what is your response to

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Speaker 2: a representative gottheimer here?

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Speaker 8: You know, what the mayor is talking about is super packs,

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Speaker 8: you know, cropping up at the eleventh hour to dump

786
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Speaker 8: millions to millions of dollars in not just these races,

787
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Speaker 8: but in races across the country. That's that's what we're

788
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Speaker 8: taking on right now.

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Speaker 7: We're taking on corporate greed.

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Speaker 8: We're taking on you know, a lobby that has been

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Speaker 8: upholding and supporting a genocide in Gaza now for two

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Speaker 8: and a half years. That has kept so many Democrats

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Speaker 8: silent because they're worried about a donor base rather than

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Speaker 8: worrying about human liberation and the dignity of human lives

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Speaker 8: here in our communities and abroad. The mayor's calling that out,

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Speaker 8: and I think we have to. You know what we

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Speaker 8: and I know dari Leis and I have both experienced

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Speaker 8: this is a profoundly undemocratic system in which the very

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Speaker 8: wealthiest people, the most powerful corporations, conduct money into these elections,

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Speaker 8: smear candidates who are running grassroots campaigns like we are,

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Speaker 8: and really and turn the issues away from again. You know,

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Speaker 8: the things that people really care about in these districts, housing,

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Speaker 8: good union jobs, you know, fighting for a green new deal,

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Speaker 8: the things that really matter to people's lives, and instead

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Speaker 8: turn these into campaigns are about who has the most money.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're running really grassroots campaigns. My campaign is

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Speaker 8: nowd opped three hundred thousand doors across New York seven

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Speaker 8: with four thousand volunteers, and we have to kind of,

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Speaker 8: you know, take on these these corporate interests that have

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Speaker 8: have derailed these campaigns and made them about things that

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Speaker 8: are not relevant to our districts and really fight and

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Speaker 8: censure the working class again.

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Speaker 7: And sorry I can.

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Speaker 6: I also just add I think something that gets lost

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Speaker 6: often is that APAC is a right wing lobby. It

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Speaker 6: backs Republicans, it backs Donald Trump.

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Speaker 7: It is pushing us towards war that nobody in this

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Speaker 7: country wants.

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Speaker 6: And to have Democrats accept money from a right wing

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Speaker 6: lobby is deeply concerning, because how are we supposed to

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Speaker 6: fight back against the fascism of Trump when we have

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Speaker 6: a right wing lobby that is also.

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Speaker 7: Funding democrats and incumbents.

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Speaker 6: And I think, you know, if we are serious about

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Speaker 6: taking our democracy back, if we're serious about creating a

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Speaker 6: democratic party that the working class can actually identify with. Again,

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Speaker 6: then we have to call out the way that right

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Speaker 6: wing lobbies are putting money into the selection and these

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Speaker 6: and again these are values that most.

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Speaker 7: Jewish New Yorkers here actually vehemently disagree with.

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Speaker 5: That's a great point.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And just to be clear for the viewers, gottheimer

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Speaker 9: there was talking about a pack moving dark money, and

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Speaker 9: particularly entire Elisa's district. Adreno askediot his supporters set up

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Speaker 9: a pack called Bold America Pack, which appeared to be

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Speaker 9: linked to kind of Bold pack which is related to

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Speaker 9: the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, which he shares. But then a

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Speaker 9: Pax super pack sent millions of dollars into that pack,

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Speaker 9: and then it's spent as if it was this other pack.

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Speaker 9: So they are actively engaging in the politics of dark

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Speaker 9: money and then objecting when it's called dark money.

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Speaker 1: The other the other fissure that has really hit this.

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Speaker 9: Campaign is around kind of brace and gentrification. I'm curious

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Speaker 9: for both of your reaction to this, particularly Antonio Renoso,

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Speaker 9: your opponent Claire has been saying, you know, he doesn't

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Speaker 9: even feel comfortable at DSA meetings because these are it's

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Speaker 9: not representative of the district. And Esbaat has been gone gone,

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Speaker 9: his supporters have gone kind of way over the top

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Speaker 9: compared to even that. But Claire, I'm just curious to

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Speaker 9: take what is the what is kind of what is

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Speaker 9: your reaction to this claim that your support is really

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Speaker 9: just organized around kind of gentrifiers.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think this movement is about bringing as

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Speaker 8: many people as possible to get there, to fight against

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Speaker 8: bad landlords, against our corporate oligarchy. And what unites us

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Speaker 8: as working people in New York City is the fact

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Speaker 8: that we have to pay higher rents, we have long commutes,

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Speaker 8: or hours are long, our wages are stagnant, and that

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Speaker 8: affects everyone, no matter if you were born and raised here,

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Speaker 8: if your family was raised here, or if you just arrived.

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Speaker 8: And you know this politics have kind of divide and

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Speaker 8: conquer the working class. We've experienced these before. You know

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Speaker 8: this is like Boss one o one. Our campaign is

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Speaker 8: about centering the needs of working people in New York

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Speaker 8: seven who right now are really feeling the squeeze from

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Speaker 8: all sides. That's why I'm not taking any money from

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Speaker 8: real estate developers, for example, who have pushed so many

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Speaker 8: people of our of our communities out. I've raised our rents,

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Speaker 8: have displaced so many because I want to fight for tenants.

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Speaker 7: I want to fight for.

871
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Speaker 8: People who call this these neighborhoods our home. And again,

872
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Speaker 8: you know, the difference that we're seeing right now is

873
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Speaker 8: not like if you got here forty years ago, if

874
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 8: you just arrived at the differences, can you afford to

875
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Speaker 8: live in these neighborhoods? And for so many people right now,

876
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 8: the answer is just is no. So this campaign is

877
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 8: again we're building a movement within this campaign to unite

878
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Speaker 8: people across you know, Brooklyn Queens, to fight for an

879
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Speaker 8: affordable New York, to fight for peace and security and

880
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Speaker 8: dignity for the entire working class, whether you live in

881
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Speaker 8: Ridgewood or Ratha. And that's that's something I'm incredibly proud of.

882
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Speaker 2: Just for the audience to understand the race dynamics a

883
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Speaker 2: little bit more, Claire's running in a district. It's an

884
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Speaker 2: open seat. Nindia of Alaskaz is retiring her opponent. Her

885
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: main opponent is Antonio and Renosa, who was endorsed by

886
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Speaker 2: Nitdia of Alaskaz. So that's an open seat for Dary Liza.

887
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Speaker 2: She's challenging a Democratic incumbent whose his name is Adrano Espaiat.

888
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Speaker 2: And you've referenced a couple of times, Sary Lisa, how

889
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: he's using these sort of maga tactics, you know, making

890
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: some ugly claims about your identity and your family. Can

891
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: you just explain the dynamics there and your response to

892
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 2: what he's been up to and what his campaign has

893
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: been pushing.

894
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

895
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Speaker 7: Absolutely.

896
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Speaker 6: You know, we know that he has surrogates engaging in

897
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 6: these sphear campaigns in the Dominican Republic, spreading disinformation and

898
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 6: just sowing deep division in this community. And you know,

899
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Speaker 6: to you know, this question of like this this gentrification

900
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 6: question where he is complaining about the changing demographics in

901
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 6: this district without acknowledging that he has been in power,

902
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Speaker 6: in political power for over nine years in Congress, but

903
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 6: almost thirty years first in the state legislature and then

904
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Speaker 6: in the federal government. And so I think it's very

905
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Speaker 6: rich actually to hear someone who has held political power

906
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Speaker 6: for this long then complain about the impact of his

907
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Speaker 6: policies on the changing demographics in this district and the electorate.

908
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Speaker 7: And I think what we're seeing right now is that citywide.

909
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Speaker 6: People are struggling to afford to be able to stay here,

910
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Speaker 6: and that is part of why I think the demographics

911
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Speaker 6: are changing. And rather than addressing his record and his

912
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 6: role in that change, he is now engaging in a

913
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 6: smear campaign that's attacking not any policy that I've proposed,

914
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Speaker 6: not my platform, but me as an individual, as a

915
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Speaker 6: human being. Where now we have my team and I

916
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Speaker 6: were dealing with an onslaught of degrading and dehumanizing rhetoric

917
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Speaker 6: under all of my social media. We are facing, you know,

918
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Speaker 6: a lot of verbal harassment every time we go out,

919
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Speaker 6: and our volunteers who are just here to be part

920
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: of their democracy are also having to to, you know,

921
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Speaker 6: think about how to be de escalatory. And I think,

922
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Speaker 6: you know, that's just it's just such a deep affront

923
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Speaker 6: to our democracy right to see that kind of maga

924
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 6: style politics, to discourage people from being part of their

925
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Speaker 6: own election right and make them fearful. You know, that

926
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Speaker 6: is the antithesis of what a democracy is supposed to be.

927
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Speaker 9: Diar, Liza, the thing that your opponent has really been

928
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Speaker 9: hitting you on is digging up some of your kind

929
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Speaker 9: of older, more aggressive ultra tweets, and you've sort of

930
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Speaker 9: apologized for some of them, explained some other ones. And

931
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Speaker 9: I'm curious if, as you're running for office now, your

932
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 9: politics are roughly the same as they were then, but

933
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Speaker 9: you kind of regret some of the phrasing that was

934
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 9: that in a decontextualized space is difficult for people who

935
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Speaker 9: aren't as online to understand what going on or if

936
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Speaker 9: you or if your politics have evolved a bit over

937
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Speaker 9: the past few years, like how would you how would

938
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Speaker 9: you describe yourself compared to your kind of previous self

939
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Speaker 9: to voter groups.

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Speaker 6: You know, my values have always been around human dignity,

941
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 6: around justice, around accountability. And I think what's changed is

942
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 6: that I've just grown, I've matured, I've my nuance in

943
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 6: the number of these things has has deepened, but my

944
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 6: values are at their core still there. And I think

945
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Speaker 6: the frustration that I felt when I said a lot

946
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Speaker 6: of those things is something that is reflective of a

947
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 6: failure of our larger systems, where so many people just

948
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 6: feel deeply unheard and powerless to engage with our political system.

949
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Speaker 6: And you know, one of the things that I've been

950
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 6: thinking a lot through through this campaign is how you

951
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 6: know his His tactic has been to what one decontextualize

952
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 6: a lot of what I said, but also it's near

953
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 6: my character and myself as a person, right, rather than

954
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 6: focusing on his record and what he has done to this.

955
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Speaker 7: Community and failed to do for this community.

956
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Speaker 6: And it's more of that politics of distraction because he

957
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 6: knows that he cannot answer to the question, the very

958
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 6: basic question that I have posed, and I've had the

959
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 6: audacity to ask with this campaign, which is what has

960
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Speaker 6: improved for the lives of New Yorkers here in New

961
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Speaker 6: York thirteen in the nine years that he has been

962
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Speaker 6: in Congress, because he can't.

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Speaker 2: Answer that, Daria Lisa, we have one of the images

964
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Speaker 2: of one of the mailers that's going around that is

965
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Speaker 2: based on one of those tweets. We can f four

966
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Speaker 2: guys who can put this up on the screen. It

967
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: has a picture of you. It says f Kamala Harris,

968
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: a real quote from a tweet that she deleted. You

969
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Speaker 2: were mentioning you felt that some of these sentiments were decontextualized.

970
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Speaker 2: What was the context when you tweeted this and how

971
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Speaker 2: do you feel about that in retrospect?

972
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Speaker 5: And did you vote for Kamla Harris.

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Speaker 2: You know, how did you think about the dynamics of

974
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Speaker 2: this past the way I should I did?

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Speaker 6: You know, I, despite my criticisms, I'm one of those

976
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Speaker 6: folks who has had to save the Democratic Party from itself, right,

977
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Speaker 6: one of the many black and brown people, black and

978
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 6: brown women in particular, who have you know, deep criticisms

979
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 6: of these social systems and yet have to come out

980
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 6: and vote to save the Democratic Party from this fascism

981
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 6: that we're facing with Trump, right. And in that if

982
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 6: I remember correctly, in that context, I was critical of

983
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Speaker 6: the language that Vice President Harris was using to tell

984
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Speaker 6: immigrants to not come into this country. And as someone

985
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Speaker 6: who's been organizing for immigration justice for most of my

986
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,959
Speaker 6: adult life, you know, I just find it traveling when

987
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Speaker 6: folks in power tell some of the most disempowered people

988
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 6: in our society in the planet right that they should

989
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 6: not be working towards or not be fighting to lead

990
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Speaker 6: dignified lives for them and their children. And you know,

991
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Speaker 6: I do regret the tweet, and I regret the language

992
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 6: I think, especially running this campaign and seeing the type

993
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 6: of language that people feel so comfortable using against me

994
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 6: and against you know, folks who are supporting me.

995
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 7: I think we need to make sure.

996
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 6: That we are engaging and using language that people can

997
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: actually hear and receive, right, particularly when we have strong criticisms,

998
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 6: particularly when the stakes are so high. And as an organizer,

999
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 6: it's deeply important to me that we are using language

1000
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Speaker 6: that is unifying, that people can feel that they can

1001
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 6: be brought into even when they have to face the

1002
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: hard music of accountability, right, and knowing that, like our

1003
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 6: actions are sometimes fall short. Right, And but that is

1004
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 6: what it means to be accountable, is to be able

1005
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Speaker 6: to hear the criticism, move different and move differently right,

1006
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Speaker 6: and be responsive to community.

1007
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Speaker 7: And one of the.

1008
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Speaker 6: Things that has really been coming to mind a lot

1009
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Speaker 6: throughout this campaign is the focus on these tweets, right,

1010
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 6: And I will apologize for them as long as I

1011
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 6: have to for folks to understand how deeply regretful I am.

1012
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 7: And I also have to ask, why is it that

1013
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 7: my opponent.

1014
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 6: Whose policies, whose votes, whose record has harmed so much

1015
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 6: of our community, still goes why his accountability hasn't come

1016
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 6: Why is it that he has not answered any of

1017
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 6: the questions that have been posed to him about his record?

1018
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 6: On arming a country committee a genocide, on making sure

1019
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 6: that or lacking the ability to make sure that our

1020
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 6: tax dollars actually come back home to addressed childhood poverty,

1021
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 6: the fact that he has taken hundreds of thousands from

1022
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: the corporate real estate developers that are pressing us out

1023
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 6: while our living conditions are deeply undignified in this district.

1024
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Speaker 6: And so this question of accountability is deeply important to

1025
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Speaker 6: me because we deserve leadership that is accountable to the

1026
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Speaker 6: community here.

1027
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: Well, I know one of the tweets had to do

1028
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Speaker 2: with you responding to I think it was Mike huck

1029
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: could Be's encouragement of using corn cobs for toilet paper,

1030
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Speaker 2: and I personally think you should stand.

1031
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 5: By that one.

1032
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 2: That one I would recommend no apologies needed, Claire.

1033
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 5: Last question to you here.

1034
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Speaker 2: You started off talking about the stakes of this election day,

1035
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: you know, not only in your district, but in other

1036
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Speaker 2: districts in New York City, and I think really election

1037
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Speaker 2: season across the country. But you know, Zoron did sort

1038
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: of put his political capital here on the line for

1039
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Speaker 2: the two of you and for Brad Lander. We all

1040
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: know what you know, sort of mainstream Democrats and establishment

1041
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: types will say if if you all are not successful,

1042
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: So just underscore what do you think are the stakes

1043
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: here and what has it meant to your campaign that

1044
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: Zoron decided to get behind you?

1045
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Speaker 8: Absolutely well, you know, I think we know of the

1046
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 8: kind of media establishment is going to say after this election,

1047
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Speaker 8: win or lose, this will be some referendum on Zoron.

1048
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Speaker 8: But the stakes are high for the working class. You know,

1049
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 8: these races are about are we going to be able

1050
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 8: to set the tone for the Democratic Party in the

1051
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 8: years going forward? Are we going to be able to,

1052
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 8: let you know, organizers who will stand up against the

1053
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 8: genocide as it's happening, will call for the end of

1054
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Speaker 8: us publicity and that genocide, will fight for the working

1055
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Speaker 8: people in our communities who are struggling against an affordability crisis,

1056
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 8: or struggling against ice, are struggling to lead lives of

1057
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 8: dignity under a fascist administration. Can we change the direction

1058
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 8: of the Democratic Party and can we win back the

1059
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 8: working class of this country? You know, that's really what's

1060
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 8: at stake in this election. We are here to prove

1061
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 8: that the elections or Momdani was not some flash in

1062
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 8: the pan, It wasn't a fluke.

1063
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 7: This is a movement.

1064
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 8: It is a strong and durable movement and working people

1065
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 8: who are tired of being told to wait, who are

1066
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 8: tired of being told that Democrats are fighting for us

1067
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 8: when they're just not. We're going to set the tone

1068
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Speaker 8: for the Democratic Party.

1069
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Speaker 7: And we know that.

1070
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Speaker 8: You know, people are watching these races very closely all

1071
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Speaker 8: over the country. They're watching these races to see if

1072
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Speaker 8: they can pour you know, dark money into other progress

1073
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 8: you know, against other progressive candidates. They're watching these races

1074
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 8: to see if if standing up against a genocide is

1075
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 8: a winning messager a losing message, and they will take

1076
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Speaker 8: that to heart. So we really what's at stake right

1077
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 8: now is incredibly important.

1078
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Speaker 1: If you believe in these.

1079
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Speaker 8: Races, if you want to see a succeed, if you

1080
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 8: want to see this movement succeed. You know, there are

1081
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Speaker 8: a lot of opportunities to come out to volunteer phone bank.

1082
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 8: It's a rainy day in New York City. People are

1083
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Speaker 8: going to be at home. Now is the perfect time

1084
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Speaker 8: to call them and ask for their vote plans. And

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Speaker 8: we have a world to win. It doesn't end on

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Speaker 8: June twenty third, It continues long after, but These races

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Speaker 8: are an essential part of organizing working class people in

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Speaker 8: New York City to demand exactly what we're owed from

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Speaker 8: the bosses and the billionaires who are trying to reign

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Speaker 8: on our parade right now. And when organized people come together,

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Speaker 8: we win.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 2: We will put both of your campaign info in the

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Speaker 2: description so people can get involved here in the final

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Speaker 2: days if they are so interested and really appreciate both

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Speaker 2: of you taking some time out. I know how busy

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Speaker 2: you must be today, so thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: making some time for us.

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Speaker 7: Thank you both, it was great being here. Thank you again.

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Speaker 2: All Right, That does it for us today, A jam

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Speaker 2: Pack show as usual. We'll have another one for you tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: me and Sager in studio.

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Speaker 5: See you then,