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Speaker 1: more appealing to me as as like somebody who if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read a superhero story, like I want

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Speaker 1: gods and icons, like I don't necessarily need like street

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Speaker 1: level like realism with when it comes to superheroes U

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Speaker 1: and I think DC does that better. Obviously, they're far

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Speaker 1: less successful in the movie space than than Marvel has

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Speaker 1: been because of the tone that they can't find in

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Speaker 1: certain ways. But I do think what DC is doing

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Speaker 1: now where they have the ability to do something Marvel can't,

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Speaker 1: which is have these extremely totally different projects, um, whereas Marvel,

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Speaker 1: like everything kind of has to ultimately fit back within

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Speaker 1: the Marvel formula, and DC can do something like have

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Speaker 1: the Suicide Squad and Justice League and well that's that

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Speaker 1: was a decision that they came to relatively recently. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they came out and said basically after Justice League flopped,

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Speaker 1: and um, they were like, but we're actually doing like

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Speaker 1: a soft connected universe. But I think on your face

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Speaker 1: right now, I think I d F queen um Gaga

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Speaker 1: dot iseah know she is um, I think one of

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Speaker 1: the definitions right now of star nut actress. Oh she is,

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Speaker 1: she is Lady Rock. She is. She is beautiful and

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Speaker 1: charismatic and like Pops on screen, but like there, she's

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Speaker 1: not a good actor, but she can sell. Can't we

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Speaker 1: just be her? Deep character work and murder on the Nile.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, even in the trailer movie coming out

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Speaker 1: and the new trailer that's been recut around Army, who

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Speaker 1: is a major character in the movie. Yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: kind of want to see the will not train wreck

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Speaker 1: boat wreck that will be yea, Yeah, for sure. I

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Speaker 1: want to know a little bit about like your comic

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Speaker 1: book upbringing. But before we go there, I actually think

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Speaker 1: maybe to contextualize for the actual True Virgins, Slash producer

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Speaker 1: Phoebe hasn't really seen any of the Marvel movies. So

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Speaker 1: for someone who hasn't been inducted into this cinematic universe,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe Obviously they're like what twenty seven

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Speaker 1: movies or whatever they start with iron iron Man techno,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe how these wine together, like for

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Speaker 1: someone who has maybe never seen them before war propaganda

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Speaker 1: with good jokes yea, literally though, Yeah, I think it

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Speaker 1: was the like the first time since the Joel Schumacher

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Speaker 1: Batman movies where they were like, oh, this is kind

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Speaker 1: of this can be silly, but then they were like

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Speaker 1: but not campy. And then and so they sort of

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Speaker 1: like they took the note and we're like, Okay, people

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Speaker 1: like it when they're fun because they're superhero movies, but

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Speaker 1: it has to always be like self deprecating and like

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Speaker 1: a little in on the joke um, which is why

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Speaker 1: cam and and the thing is they were really smart

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Speaker 1: to start the franchise a with something a character like

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Speaker 1: iron Man, who is the stakes are low going in

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Speaker 1: like people who like comic books know who iron Man is.

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Speaker 1: Like iron Man, He's had cartoons, you know, he's shown

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Speaker 1: up in other media, but like the culture writ large

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Speaker 1: was not like it's not Batman, it's not Superman, it's

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Speaker 1: not the X Men. Like they dip their toes in

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Speaker 1: with a character that if it failed, it wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to be like a huge i P. Disaster for them

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Speaker 1: because it's iron Man, you know. And and they think

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Speaker 1: that's why it was even because it was such a

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Speaker 1: huge success, it was even it was able to sort

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Speaker 1: of launch the m c U in a big way

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Speaker 1: because they were like, oh, we can take risks with

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Speaker 1: these relatively sort of like I would say, iron Man

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Speaker 1: at the time, even though he's been a huge presence

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Speaker 1: on the Avengers in the comic books for years and

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Speaker 1: years and years, is not an a list character. I

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Speaker 1: think it also like iron Man made a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense for the like cultural context of the time, because

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Speaker 1: like you're thinking about the entertainment landscape, which is like,

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Speaker 1: you haven't really had a good superhero movie since what

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Speaker 1: X two, Um, the Batman movies the right, okay, the

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Speaker 1: Batman movies. And also like I think iron Man makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense as a post nine eleven superhero, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and that first movie is so post nine eleven, and

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Speaker 1: and and I think the smartest decision they ever made,

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Speaker 1: and the thing that really separates the successful m c

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Speaker 1: U movies from the non successful m CU movies is

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Speaker 1: casting Robert Downey Jr. Because here's the thing, especially as

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Speaker 1: we go on with the m c U, as they

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Speaker 1: start to build on them, you really start to realize

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Speaker 1: that these movies, because they're so formulaic, and because they

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Speaker 1: become very similar in tone and theme and visually, there's

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Speaker 1: a the house style that the m c U has.

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Speaker 1: If it's not anchored by an actual star, they do

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Speaker 1: not work. Okay, Well, who do you think is is

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Speaker 1: well cast? I think Robert Downey Jr. I think that

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Speaker 1: I think the actual the original cast of the Avengers,

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Speaker 1: the original core Avengers cast. I think they're all stars

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Speaker 1: eating Jeremy Renner. That's the one I was forgetting. Jeremy

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Speaker 1: Renner not a star um and and Mark Rufflo is

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Speaker 1: probably on the bubble, but I think he acquits himself

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Speaker 1: well and especially well there's a reason why there was

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Speaker 1: never a solo Hulk film. There was though, but not

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Speaker 1: with him, and that's technically a part of the m C.

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Speaker 1: Tyler and um I think it's I totally agree. I

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Speaker 1: feel like like it's grounded in these kind of very

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Speaker 1: speci a fick and singular performances. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. At the time, like that was kind

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Speaker 1: of his comeback as an actor, in addition to like

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Speaker 1: the comeback of Iron Man, who no one really knew about,

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Speaker 1: and Marvel too, because here's the thing, beyond the X

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Speaker 1: Men movies, Marvel had never had like a good Big

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Speaker 1: or Spiderman too, obviously, but like they never like really

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Speaker 1: had a hit as like a solo with a solo

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Speaker 1: superhero other than Spiderman and the X Men, because those

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Speaker 1: are huge, obviously recognizable properties. But like it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: like you look at movies like Captain Marvel, which I

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Speaker 1: don't think is the greatest movie, um and it's and listen.

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Speaker 1: I think Bree Larson is an amazing actress. I think

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Speaker 1: she has was amazing in Room. She deserved that Oscar like,

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Speaker 1: but there's a difference between being a star and an actress.

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Speaker 1: And I do not think she has the charisma necessary

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Speaker 1: to lead a Marvel movie, especially one where the character

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Speaker 1: is such a cipher that, like you really need an

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Speaker 1: actor who can fill in the blanks of that because

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Speaker 1: the whole point of that character is that she doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a personality and she doesn't remember her personality. And

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Speaker 1: if you had cast somebody like Emily Blunt, oh, I

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Speaker 1: want to watch that, Like, I think it would have

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Speaker 1: really been a much stronger movie because someone like that

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Speaker 1: can really sort of imbue the character and sort of

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Speaker 1: like give you, you you know, someone who's going to make choices.

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Speaker 1: They also have to they have to like crack jokes too,

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Speaker 1: you know, and that to be funny. It really like

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Speaker 1: comedies such an essential part of all of it pulled together.

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Speaker 1: But like, I see why Patty Harrison should be in that.

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Speaker 1: I do see the thinking behind Captain Marvel or whatever,

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Speaker 1: because it's like they love throwing in you know, a

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Speaker 1: Katherine Han, a Julia Louis Trifus, like Florence Welt. They

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Speaker 1: love throwing people that actually already feels kind of like

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Speaker 1: part of it, So Florence View. But like, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like these these Oscar nominated actresses or like actresses that

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Speaker 1: give performances that also have a very singular sense of

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Speaker 1: humans ry like kind of like the way they cast

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Speaker 1: the professors on Harry Potter. Yes, it's also counterintuitive, like

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't think of a Katherine Haunt in a super

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Speaker 1: hero movie. And they love to cast that way, which

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Speaker 1: I think is they love to lure in, you know,

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Speaker 1: these prestige actresses and then make them be the girlfriends

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Speaker 1: um in a really like they're like, hey, do you

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Speaker 1: want a couple million dollars so you can buy your

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Speaker 1: summer house? And they're like sure, yeah, I mean why not,

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Speaker 1: I'll do like Rachel McAdams, I'll do two weeks on

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Speaker 1: Captain Doctor Strange. Like sure, like that's totally fine. I

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Speaker 1: have herforman scene Doctor Strange. It's really fun, get really

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Speaker 1: stoned to eat a little bar of mushroom chocolate. I'm

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Speaker 1: never doing the mushrooms. I think Tilda is hard to watch. You.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I know

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Speaker 1: that's problematic and I get it, and like, um, my

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Speaker 1: good friend Mark Petrow has every reason to be mad

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Speaker 1: about But I do think that like it is a

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Speaker 1: good one. I think Bennet at Cumberbatch is a star

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Speaker 1: and and can anchor them. I went into that movie

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Speaker 1: thinking that I was gonna love Tilda and it came

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Speaker 1: out of it being like Benedict was that girl, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Um, but you were talking about

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Speaker 1: prestige actresses or whatever, and like random girlfriends in the

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Speaker 1: m c U. Are there like stars that have been

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Speaker 1: cast as Anselar characters and the m CU that you

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Speaker 1: really wish would come into the cinematic universe and like

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Speaker 1: get their own superhero movie or something like that. Um. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think the biggest example of this, and one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite sort of like under storylines is Lupita

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Speaker 1: And so like Lupida in Black Panther is amazing, and

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Speaker 1: Black Panther is definitely top five like one of the

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Speaker 1: best m CU movies for sure, like stylistically, like it

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Speaker 1: is one of the ones that is like within the

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Speaker 1: voice and tone and how style of the m c U,

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Speaker 1: but does manage to make some choices that like set

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Speaker 1: it apart. But my favorite thing is is that, like

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Speaker 1: when it came to The Avengers, Lupia was like, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: actually I think I'm gonna do an off Broadway play

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Speaker 1: um instead, Like I I wish I could be a

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Speaker 1: fly on the wall in like listening to her agents

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Speaker 1: explained to Kevin Figy, like yeah, I know that, like

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Speaker 1: every single other actor that has ever appeared in a

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Speaker 1: Marvel movie is going to be in Endgame, But Lupida

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Speaker 1: wants to do a play at Playwrights Horizons. She pulled

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Speaker 1: at Kim Control, she really did, and it doesn't make

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Speaker 1: any sense that she's not in that movie. Which of

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Speaker 1: the Sex and the City actresses do you think would

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Speaker 1: best fit into them? See you? I weirdly think Cynthia, Okay,

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Speaker 1: what in a sort of like well, I mean basically

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of a net and Captain Marvel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a wasted opportunity. Glenn in um in the Guardians

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Speaker 1: of the Galaxy, like they're they're they're getting them minimum

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Speaker 1: Glenn close and Guardians of the Galaxy, right yea, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: I mean Rachel McAdams, Rachel McAdams russo the time that

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Speaker 1: she plays a time traveler's wife or girlfriend. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 1: I should say the other person they couldn't get back

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Speaker 1: for Infinity War, who was also Prestigie. They lured back

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Speaker 1: with a more interesting part, Natalie Portman. Now, I was

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Speaker 1: so excited Natalie Portman who said, I will give you

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Speaker 1: one day of reshoots on Infinity War, and otherwise you

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Speaker 1: have to c g I that fucking raccoon into existing

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Speaker 1: footage because I will not. Literally, the one scene that

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Speaker 1: she shot for Infinity War is a scene of her

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Speaker 1: in the hallway walking into the room, and everything else

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Speaker 1: is existing footage from that that didn't make it into

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Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, you can understand why Gwen had no

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Speaker 1: idea that she was in any It's like they just

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Speaker 1: they don't even tell. Yeah, they don't really tell. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the funeral just show up at a at a like

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Speaker 1: at a sound stage in front of a green screen,

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Speaker 1: stand there for like a couple of minutes and they're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: by yeah, I can't even remember who it was, but

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Speaker 1: somebody who was at the Tony Stark funeral scene. They

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Speaker 1: didn't tell them, like most of them could put two

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Speaker 1: and two together about whose funeral they were at, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of them didn't know who they were mourning.

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Speaker 1: Um is insane. You think a lot about how like

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Speaker 1: I mean, the way they wind these movies together. A

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00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with that post credit scene.

638
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: It's like, how do they when they film those, They

639
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: probably don't give a kind of context into how these

640
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: they create these like many even what must that be

641
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: like as an actor to to have someone say, okay,

642
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: react to this, but you don't know what this is.

643
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Also side tangent, the experience of sitting in the movie

644
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Speaker 1: theater and waiting after the credits, and then waiting a

645
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: second time for the post credits. It's a humilium like

646
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: what happened with Spider Man. I waited for the second

647
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: post credit scene, and it was just the Doctor Strange

648
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: trailer that I had already that really made that really

649
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: made me mad. Um like baby, I saw that on Twitter. Yeah.

650
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: I just think that some of the movies that have

651
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: come out recently are actually hindered by their the need

652
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: to connect them to the larger I know, I wish

653
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: because that was such a problem for me with wand

654
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: of it and we're now like a year out from

655
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: when One Division really took over the culture. Um, it

656
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: was so great, and then like for the whole thing

657
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: because it felt so fresh and disconnected. And then you

658
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: come when with the finale, which has to fit itself

659
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: back into the Marvel formula and lead you back into

660
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Speaker 1: the broader story. And I really think it, like it

661
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: kind of trashed all of the storytelling because they had

662
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: they had really put story first for the whole series.

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Speaker 1: And then it just ends in like you know, a

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Speaker 1: big C G I battle. You can feel the mandate

665
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: on a lot of these things of like you have

666
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: these you bring in these amazing writers and these rooms

667
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: that create these amazing stories like Wan Division, and then

668
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: you can just feel the looming the like email that

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Speaker 1: they got that was like Ohn, by the way, this

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: story has to end here and it has to end

671
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: this way, and like it just doesn't feel great. Like

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Speaker 1: I'll say Shanxi, which I really loved. I think I

673
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: loved it too, I just watched it. I will say

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: that the Origin m you movies are now starting to

675
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: feel very formulaic in a way that like the beats

676
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: are almost all the same. I still enjoy them I

677
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: said to somebody, I think to you, even over d M,

678
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I still will watch every single one

679
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: of these Origin movies even though I know exactly how

680
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: they will play out beat for beat, because it's like

681
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: watching it's like seeing an amazing production of a Midsummer

682
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: Night stream where you're like, oh my god, this one's steampunk,

683
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: but like it's it's the same story that we know,

684
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: but it is fun to see, like, oh, they're gonna

685
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: make Titania, you know, a robot in this one, you know,

686
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: and like and see how they like remix the formula

687
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: a little bit, but you still know, like because Sean

688
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: she really is like very similar to Black Panther. It's

689
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: very similar in Marvel. It's very similar to a lot

690
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: of the Origin movies. Well, I think it's part of

691
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: why these these movies are so successful is because you

692
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: can show up and just plug yourself in because they're

693
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: all such archetypes in a way, and like you can

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Speaker 1: come in and like not really know about the larger

695
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: mythology and just like get it. I think that creates

696
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: a differentiation between like who comes to these theaters because

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: there's like the two of you that are extremely active

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00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: like viewers of the movies, and like when the post

699
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: credit scene happens, you actually know what's going on. And

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00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: then sometimes and then like I didn't know what was

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Speaker 1: happening in the postcardit scene of Eternals, right, Well, that's

702
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: like it's like two Well, it's it depends on like

703
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Speaker 1: what order you watch them, right, because nobody watches them

704
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Speaker 1: in order really unless you're at the theater like every

705
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: single But like with me, it's like I'm such a

706
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: passive viewer that like I I'm just like, oh, yeah,

707
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: here for the right, here for the formula, which is

708
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: why like one division like lit my ass on fire,

709
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: because even though it ends on like that formula, it

710
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: is so like incredibly different from like what we've seen

711
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: before and how it starts. Yeah, and it was also

712
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: anchored I think in a way that the Marvel movies

713
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: sometimes aren't by like real deeply felt performances by Paul

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Speaker 1: Batany and Elizabeth Like I really think that none of

715
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: the would have worked, and it's it is such a

716
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Speaker 1: cheap because like their entire relationship pulled from the comics

717
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: and then sort of really shoehorned in, like it really

718
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: like you see traces of it in Civil War, you see,

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00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: it's like barely begun in um Age of Ultron, and

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Speaker 1: then by the time we get to end uh Infinity

721
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: War or whatever, it's like, Oh, they're in a relationship,

722
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: really asked to like investors in that relationship, and you

723
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: have to do a lot of work of about understanding

724
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Speaker 1: and accepting things that you don't get to see. And

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00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: again it's that thing of the really good actor filling

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Speaker 1: in the blanks emotionally for us, because when we get

727
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: to one division, it's like, Okay, like, I'm not that

728
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: invested in this relationship. I don't really care. But they

729
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: really sold like they filled in the gaps because their

730
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: chemistry and the writing and the performances really made that relationship.

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Speaker 1: Like I was not invested in that relationship at all,

732
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Speaker 1: and then by the end of one division, I was like, oh, yeah,

733
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: when she does the backbend, you know I was there.

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00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: It's all over it. What comic book character who hasn't

735
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: been in the m C you yet would you want

736
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Speaker 1: to see in it? Squirrel Girl? Squirrel Girl. She is

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Speaker 1: like a d D D list Marvel character that has

738
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Speaker 1: sort of been memed into popularity. I think in recent years.

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00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: She in like marveled, marveled like like people. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: people are like squirrel Girl iconic and it's like, okay,

741
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Speaker 1: but like name one thing that she's as would play

742
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: squirrel Girl. Um, I think there was. There's been a

743
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: bunch of fan campaigns for like Alison Bree and like

744
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: different actresses like Quirk, and I feel like we will

745
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: wind up and it's absolutely absolutely she's she's read for something. Yes,

746
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: she absolutely has. But like the secrecy is like an interesting,

747
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: like weird thing that I think is going to hurt

748
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: them as they move forward. I also think that, like

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00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: even the stuff that they have done with the Multiverse,

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00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm I cannot wait for Doctor Strange.

751
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 1: I think that would be very interesting. Do you think

752
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: we're going to get X men in it, because that's

753
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: the big rumor, because James McAvoy and Sophie Turner have

754
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: both been spotted with a shaved head and red hair, respectively,

755
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: and so the rumor is that because of the success

756
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: or like the early success of the insertion of like

757
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: the Spider Man into Spider Man, when they did all

758
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: of the Doctor Strange reshoots, they went back to reshoot

759
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: cameos interesting and maybe that's the way that the X

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00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: Men are wind. I would I would rather we we

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Speaker 1: start over. I would rather we start anew with the

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Speaker 1: X Men. I think that franchise is a little tired.

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00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Um are you? Are you an X Men girl? I

764
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: win the comic books that I did buy from Marvel,

765
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: We're all X Men all the time. Like Grant Morrison's

766
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: run on X Men is I think amazing. Josh Weeden,

767
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: I know, problematic now, but his run with Kitty Kitty

768
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: and with the Rocket, oh my god. I mean like

769
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: I've cried a lot reading comic books with that, like

770
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: really like gets me every time I go and return

771
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: to it. If you have astonishing X Men by Joss Weed,

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00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: and if you can get over that part, highly we're

773
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: gonna been picking up the trade back paperbacks for those

774
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: because it is really really well told. X Men definitely

775
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: is the thing that got me into superheroes. Like cartoon, no, no,

776
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: well the cartoon, yes, the nineties cartoon, but really the

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00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: movie and that is like what what restarted superhero culture

778
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: in you know, the late nineties. Early X two I

779
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: think is one of the best superhero movies. I think

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00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: I was saying that before you got here that I

781
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: think the best superhero movie. The best X Men movies

782
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: are X two and Days the Future paste well, and

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Speaker 1: I guess Logan if you're if we're counting, I haven't

784
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: seen Logan. Logan's fantastic. It is like prestige like X

785
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Men in a in a really delightful way, and I yeah,

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00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I definitely think you should check it out. It's great.

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00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: Do you think as a kid, y'all, like caught we're

788
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: in on the like latent queer appeal of X Men,

789
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Like it's such a lot, I mean a lot of

790
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: superhero stuff. I think that's why I liked Mystique so much.

791
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: There was definitely some stuff happening there. And I also

792
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: really loved Rogue, and I think Rogue there there's like

793
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: a case to be made for Rogue is like, you know,

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00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: a queer teen runaway, especially in the first movie, and

795
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 1: then like you know, no Brian Singer, but like there

796
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 1: is a lot of that in that metaphor infused. I mean,

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00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like bald with the have you ever

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00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: tried not being mutant? Seen? Like that is like pretty

799
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Speaker 1: much is that the one played with it by the

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Speaker 1: ugly Betty actress. Oh, Rebecca Romaine, Yes, Rebecca Romaine who

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00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: So she's the original so she's basically played trans twice

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00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: because mystique well. And and also the next two we

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00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: get the scene between Alan Cumming and Rebecca Remain where

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00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: he was like, you could be anybody? Why why don't

805
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: you you know, hide basically and she says we shouldn't

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00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: have to um, which is what I pass no passing. Um,

807
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think um the X I don't think

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00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: I love any of the X Men movies. I don't

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00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: love any of the newer X Men movies nearly as

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00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: much as I have loved those first two, I think

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Speaker 1: and logan I do like. I think First Class has

812
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: a lot of charm. I think is also very gay,

813
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: also very like the Magneto Professor X stuff is pretty explicit.

814
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, um, our girl, what's her face?

815
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: From mad Men? As a living diamond? Like oh, January

816
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: January Jones as a living diamond, which is like one

817
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: of the acting at all. Thank you Grant Morrison in

818
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: a in um New x Men for giving us secondary

819
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: mutations that have nothing to do with the person's original powers,

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00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: which is when he made Amister and Frost be able

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Speaker 1: to turn into diamond. Um for no reason. It's an

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00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: amazing power, Love, Joel, What what superpower would you want

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Speaker 1: to have? Um? I think I'm a I'm a mind girl.

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Speaker 1: I would love like the classic combo telekinesis telepathy combo. Yeah,

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00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: I think, like I do. Love. I have sort of

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Speaker 1: gotten on the train of like I love like you know,

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Speaker 1: if your power is only telepathy, like what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Like how are we going to use that

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00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: in interesting ways? Like you know, fun stuff like that?

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00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: But like so if I had to choose, definitely telepathy,

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00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: but I would love the combo pack if I could

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Speaker 1: get it. Brand what would what would your super power

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Speaker 1: if I could pick a combo, it would definitely be

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Speaker 1: shape shifting and maybe invisibility like okay completely but maybe

835
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: actually well I think that could be part of the

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Speaker 1: shape shifting maybe not even like invisibility, but like undetect

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00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: like ghost like okay, so like if you're a mystique,

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00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: like you know, your scales ripple and maybe like they

839
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: turn into a mirror to hide you something like that.

840
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: But I want to be ghost ee. I want to

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00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: go through walls okay, so maybe something like that. So

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Speaker 1: Kitty Pride, so Kitty Pride kind of yeah, Kitty Pride

843
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: and Misty combo. One of my one of my favorite

844
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: sort of like comic book um like moves that we've

845
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: sort of moved into in the century is like there

846
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: needs to be an explanation for the power. So you

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00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: see a lot of like breakdowns of characters who can

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Speaker 1: become invisible. It's not that they're becoming invisible, it's that

849
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: they're bending light around themselves, like Fantastic four. Have you

850
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: watched the new Fantastic Four? I did, and it is

851
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be good so much. It's a

852
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: plane movie, and like even on a plane, even on

853
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: a plane, it is not good. It's this is the thing.

854
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: And I love Kate Mara same. I think the superior

855
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: Mara for me, Um, I disagree, but superior Mara. I

856
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: wonder if they're both anti Baxers. There's going around the

857
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: race an anti Baxer. I could see it. Um. But like,

858
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: I definitely think like the cardinal sin of these movies

859
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: is don't be boring, don't make laugh. It is actually

860
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: that's like Kevin five. Every time there's a Marvel f

861
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I gotta make route laugh. Has RuPaul ever seen a

862
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: Marvel movie? Do you things? Absolutely not? I mean we're

863
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: steps away from seeing a cameo. Yeah, maybe she can

864
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: be the new Stanlee. Yeah, I would actually really love that.

865
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 1: Has Michelle Vissage I ever seen a Marvel movie? No?

866
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: But did you see that Michelle Vissage got turned down

867
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: from UM drag Races Spana. No. She wanted to be

868
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: a judge and they said, now, oh that sucks. She

869
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: she's a great judge for literally anything. Sure, but like

870
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: I will say that like culturally sometimes like she is

871
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: pretty like tunnel vision and like what she knows, and

872
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: like the international ones. The problem with that I'd see

873
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: is like imagine Michelle Facade trying to judge drag Race

874
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: Spania or I'm snatch Game of Spania, you know, like

875
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: it would be entertaining, but like incorrect. Yeah, I've never

876
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: watched a non US drag race. Unfortunately, I have brain

877
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: rot and UM, I've seen almost I have now started

878
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: to fall off now that we're getting like twelve a year,

879
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: but like I have watched most of them. I will

880
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 1: say this about the international ones. I realized very quickly

881
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: watching I think Spain that drag Race is not a

882
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: show that merits my full attention, and when you have

883
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: to like, I never realized how much I was on

884
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: my phone watching some of the international seasons until I

885
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: had to read the subtitles and I was like, oh,

886
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: I don't care enough about this to like give it

887
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: my one attention. It's a great phone show, and honestly,

888
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: like Marvel movies are good phone movies. Okay, you say that,

889
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: but also like I as an extremely passive viewer of

890
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: the Marvel movies, some would say groundbreaking, lee passive, I

891
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: truly like I watched in Infinity War? Is that what

892
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: it's called Infinite War? Last night? I know you watched

893
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Age of Ultron and I watched I watched Age of

894
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: Ultron the night before. Anyways, watched um Infinity War. About

895
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: forty minutes in. I realized I went to the theater

896
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: alone and fell asleep during this movie. So I like

897
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: there were multiple scenes where I was like, oh, I

898
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: remember waking up to this and and seeing that and

899
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: then going back to well. We also, friend and I

900
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: watched Winter Soldier the other night in preparation of this,

901
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: because you and I had had this fight where you

902
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: called me a transwhobic slur and I noticed a couple

903
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: of times like her getting her phone out, and I

904
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: said it was like, I was like, friend, can you

905
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: just like pay attention during this part because I don't

906
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: want to have to explain it to you and you

907
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: still had to explain it to me probably, um, yeah,

908
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean the thing to me is like and this

909
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: is what I was trying to say earlier about like

910
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: active versus passive watchers is like something that I've discovered,

911
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: especially getting to know you, Rose, and like how you've

912
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of inducted me into this and honestly, like I

913
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: did not have a real fan like interest in the

914
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: m c U until maybe Wan Division, because even though

915
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: I had watched so many Marvel movies, I wasn't interested

916
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: in the entwined world until I was so emotionally invested

917
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: in Wanda. And unfortunately, I think it was like episode

918
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: four or five and I turned to Rose and I

919
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Wanda was in the Avengers and I

920
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: had like fully watched like several Avengers movies and I

921
00:51:46,800 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: didn't ever pick up that, you know, Elizabeth Wilson was there. Okay,

922
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: I have a very important question which is what do

923
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: you think is Scarlett's worst wig? All of them very important? Well,

924
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's probably Iron Man too. I

925
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: think it's the first couple of wigs that they were

926
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: really struggling to figure out the wig situation. That fight scene,

927
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: that first fight, the scene that she does not not

928
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: in like the boxing ring, but like when she's in

929
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: her full Black Widow regalia, I think is icon. Yeah,

930
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: it was great. Um. I don't love the ombree wig

931
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: that they felt they needed to do for her, like like,

932
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: why would she cut her She's too morose, she can't,

933
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: can't five years she never cut her hair. It's like,

934
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: okay girl. When we were watching Winter Soldier, she also

935
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: did an amazing wig reveal of the Wigsraxy Andrew. Yes,

936
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: it was what's your favorite Scarlet wig? Bin, I haven't

937
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: watched enough of I don't think I differentiated the wigs.

938
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: I think her best hair is in Black Widow. I

939
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: think Scarlett's us performance. I was gonna say Black Widow,

940
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: but I actually felt like more compelled by the other

941
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: three actors in that movie. More than is a start,

942
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: and I do think sin Field delivered. I'm sold. I

943
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: do kind of think that like Scarlett should have been

944
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: in the opening scene and then it should have been

945
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: like a younger you know, yeah, I will say the

946
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: real smoke and mirrors and the magic trick of the

947
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: m c U. And again goes back to my point

948
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: of like why casting is so important is that, like

949
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: that character was a cipher through almost the entire run

950
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: of her movies. She just was whatever they needed. They yeah, exactly,

951
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: and they like they deliberately kept vague they like, you

952
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: know that her uterus was stolen and like and then

953
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: they kept pivoting and pivoting and pivoting and pivoting and pivoting.

954
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: The romance between her and Hulk completely like deserted, Like

955
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: they would start things and dessert them almost immediately with her,

956
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: and it was like Black Widow was like the opportunity

957
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: to really like close the loop and like really definitively

958
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: say like this is who this person is. And again,

959
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: the whole point in the movie was that like she

960
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: sort of doesn't know who she really is, and like

961
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: she felt like more of a supporting character to the

962
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: actual story of this family. It became kind of like

963
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: a family comedy at some points when they were all

964
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: sitting at the dinner table and stuff like that. Okay,

965
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: so what even not, fran I want to know, even

966
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: like not knowing anything that happens in the Marvel Comics universe.

967
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: What is like the craziest prediction you have for the

968
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: next phase of Marvel or gayest. I mean, it's not

969
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: a crazy prediction, it's it's so hard to separate, like

970
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: when when, because I'm so in like the sub credits

971
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, I'm an active participant in

972
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: all the boards. But like, I think Elizabeth Wilson is

973
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: being set up to be the big bad for this

974
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: next phase. Like, I think that's very interesting and it's

975
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: very true to like what happens in the comic books.

976
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: I think be a really interesting way to get the

977
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 1: X Men into the oh real quick sidebar the fake

978
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: out in wand Vision with the X Men furious. Yeah,

979
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: I was you, I was convenued. Evan Peters played Quicksilver

980
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: in The Sony X Men or is it Sony Fox?

981
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: The Fox X Men basically before it was owned by

982
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: before they had exactly and um uh, Aaron, what's the

983
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: hot guy who? Aaron Taylor Johnson played her Quicksilver in

984
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: the m c U dies in Age of Ultron, as

985
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: you just saw in one division, they like bring back

986
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: Pietro and it's Evan Peters and everyone's like, oh my god,

987
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: this is how they're going to get the X Men.

988
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: And it's some machination of her creating like the universe

989
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: and like bringing in like the uh Fox Quicksilver instead,

990
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: and then it just was like a complete Red Herring

991
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: fake out. And and then like even actually made me

992
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: really mad because it's sort of um, like the head

993
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: shot that he reveals, Like why is that in that confusing?

994
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: Like that felt messy to me by the end. I

995
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: wasn't it so much into that? I am curious. Actually,

996
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: just a very rudimentary question. You're talking about like maybe

997
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: some least favorite additions to m c like you were

998
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: talking about Hawkeye, didn't love Captain Marvel or whatever. What

999
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: are like the the heroes or like characters where you're

1000
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: just like Marvel. You cannot make me care about this,

1001
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like aunt Man or whatever.

1002
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't care about aunt Man. I like

1003
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: the first aunt Man movie a lot. Actually again it's

1004
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 1: it's a it's a heist movie and a Marvel movie.

1005
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do Guardians of the Gallupy you

1006
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: and I don't care about that. I loved the first Guardians,

1007
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: I will say, Chris Pratt, sort of it's really hard

1008
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: to separate now, crisp Ratt. Yeah, I will say it's

1009
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: really tough for me because the MC has made me

1010
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: care about characters that I have never cared about. I

1011
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 1: I do not, never cared about Iron Man, never cared

1012
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: about Thor, never certainly cared about Captain America. You know,

1013
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: like all of these men that I like suddenly care about.

1014
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: It is like, so they have done Hung Chi certainly, Like, um,

1015
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: it was like sort of might take on that was

1016
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, there is only one canonically Asian superhero,

1017
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: but maybe we just take a better one and make

1018
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: him Asian. Like I don't know that I necessarily like

1019
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: I find this the most compelling story to tell, but like,

1020
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: I think they pulled it off well and I think

1021
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: Aquaphina is a star clearly. And I will also say

1022
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: this is the other thing that was crazy about Chungchi

1023
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: and Aquapina is like, of course I want Aquaphina to

1024
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: continue on in the m CU, but when the when

1025
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: the Hung or whatever his name is calls them and

1026
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: he's like, your guy's life about to change, and it's like, well,

1027
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: why is her She's not a Yeah, I was like,

1028
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: she's not a part of this. And also she learned

1029
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: how to be an expert level archer. And although the

1030
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: time I cannot wait. I cannot wait for the eventual

1031
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: next Avengers movie when Hayley Steinfeld and Aquafina have a

1032
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: moment when they're like both shooting, because you know that

1033
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: will happen. I think part of like what my apathy

1034
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: towards the Avengers and a lot of movies like entailing

1035
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: these multi superhero movies is like I mean, like call

1036
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: me crazy, but like I do crave like films that

1037
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: are not about the end of civilization, very basic. I

1038
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: do love Spider Man, so Rose and I have talked

1039
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: before about how like I love that a lot of

1040
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: what Spider Man deals with, even though there is end

1041
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: of the world stuff, is on the micro He's a

1042
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: friendly neighborhood Spider Man. It's like it's good when the

1043
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: stakes are a little lower. That's why I I think

1044
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: Homecoming is one of my favorite MCU movies, and it's

1045
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: in my top three of this period Spider Man movies,

1046
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: Like I think the first two Toby McGuire movies and

1047
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: Homecoming are the three best Spiderman movies. And it's in

1048
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: large part because of that, because the stakes are very low,

1049
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: because he's very bad and you see and and it's

1050
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: also the thing about Spider Man Homecoming is that you

1051
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: don't really feel in any of the other Spider Man

1052
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: movies is it's a high school movie. It is a

1053
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: high school movie, and you really feel the age and

1054
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: you feel that the youth of that character in a

1055
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: way exactly like Andrew. Andrew and Toby like them them.

1056
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: I actually saw Okay, so I haven't seen the Andrew

1057
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: Garfield movies. They're all on YouTube, so but I saw

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Speaker 1: a TikTok recently that was talking about how they are

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Speaker 1: a direct product of Twilight. Oh absolutely, I literally said

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: the same thing. My boyfriend and I watched them um

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Speaker 1: as quimbies because we I didn't want to sit down

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Speaker 1: and watch them, but for a couple of weeks we

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: would watch them at ten minutes at a time, just

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Speaker 1: a quick bite, just a quick bite of Andrew Garfield movies.

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Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it is definitely such a broody like

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00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: you can tell it is so two thousand twelve, like

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00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: the vibe, it is such a product of its time

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Speaker 1: in a way that like doesn't really work for me

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Speaker 1: as a Spider Man movie. I think m a star

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Speaker 1: like really makes those movies fun and watchable in a

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01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: big way. Andrew an amazing actor. Do I think he's

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Speaker 1: Peter Parker or Spider Man? Do we think Cruella exists

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01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: in the m C? You would love to see that.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sad because there were so many rumors that

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Speaker 1: Emma Stone was going to be in no way home

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Speaker 1: as Spider Gwen likes as a reality maybe that, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe five years from now that and then maybe Katherine

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01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Han could come back as doc. Yeah, I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: House of Harkness going to be? Like? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: is it gonna be charged? You don't care? I love

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Speaker 1: Catherine Han, I loved Agathe as much as everybody else,

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Speaker 1: But I I am like, what is this story going

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01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: to be? And why should I care? Like if it's

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: if it's a prequel to how she got to where

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Speaker 1: she is, I don't know that. I'm wet. I think

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Speaker 1: we got enough of that in that one episode. Personally,

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01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm just so attracted to the a story and encapsulated

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: story that might be completely outside I think. I also,

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: I know, I hope it doesn't fall into that pattern

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01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: where it does that for the whole season and then

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01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: the last episode she gets into a big battle and

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01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 1: like Gwyneth Paltrow takes off her Iron Man mask, like

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, well that's the that's the thing, and but

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Speaker 1: this is I guess, like I would like it if

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01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: it's stuff contained. Because the other big problem, and I

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01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: think the smart the smartest thing they have done is like,

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: and I think this is a two way decision, is

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Speaker 1: Robert Downey Jr. And Chris Evans both leaving. Because one

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Speaker 1: of my biggest problems now with the expansiveness of this

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Speaker 1: shared universes is that they're not doing as good a

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Speaker 1: job of tracking character development across these films. What piste

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Speaker 1: me off about Endgame is all of the character development

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Speaker 1: that we saw in Ragnarok, they completely ignored an endgame.

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Speaker 1: Like when we got to Fat Thor, it was like

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Speaker 1: and then like all the stuff about him not wanting

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01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: to lead and all of this stuff, and it's like, well, then,

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Speaker 1: what did we just watch in this last film? Yeah,

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: because it was so good. Yeah, it really was. It

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we finally see this character move forward

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: and become something different and sort of grow and mature,

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: and then they completely for a visual joke of about

1112
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Speaker 1: his fucking pop belly. We're going to throw it all away,

1113
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: Like it just didn't. It's like, I want them to

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: do a better job, and like I'm worried. I'm so

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01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: excited to see Natalie carry the hammer. I mean, I

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01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: just that video of her at Comic Con, excited for

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Speaker 1: more tests to I haven't been this excited since Fox Lux. Okay, like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: now we won't go into box Lux. I'll come back

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Speaker 1: in a couple of months in the public world, but

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Speaker 1: box Lux does exist in in the m c U.

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Speaker 1: I think it's you. She's like, she's like Dazzler. Dazzler

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01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: Dazzler is x men who like her power has to

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Speaker 1: do with singing. She can turn no, she can turn

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Speaker 1: sound into light. So she's like she was creating the

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Speaker 1: seventies as like a disco star that was also I

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Speaker 1: mutant um and like Lady Gaga was for many years

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: rumored to be at some point at some point, but

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Speaker 1: as who because it's not. It won't be Dazzler. Maybe

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Speaker 1: like Emma Frost, a rebooted Emma Frost. That could be

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Speaker 1: cool if they put g gun into you. I really

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Speaker 1: hope it's something that's more contained, like I would. I

1132
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: just think that there, what's the accent? Yeah, that's that's true.

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: Is that she she will be like, well, I'm only

1134
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: going to do the role if I can do an ax.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see her as Madam Webb in

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01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: a future Spider Man, just like in like to like

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01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: teeny tiny black sunglasses and like sitting on a giant

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01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: like magical spider web like fashion dictating. You know. Um,

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01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: you were talking earlier about how like, um, there was

1140
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Speaker 1: a turn in how they were making superhero movies that

1141
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: like left out like camp in some ways. Obviously like

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: new Marvel movies are still so funny and can play

1143
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: into things like that. But like I will say, like

1144
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: it would be amazing for someone to write now it

1145
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be like Marvel a d C, but

1146
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: for someone to make like a superhero movie that did

1147
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: feel like you know, the Arnold Schwarzenegger and where he

1148
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: literally was on set screaming, remember we're making a cartoon. Yeah,

1149
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: like that is like because that movie for sure is

1150
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: like maybe my favorite superhero movie period. It's so fun.

1151
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: I mean the nipples nipples um, as I told Lady

1152
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: Freeze when I pulled her plug show, um, Poison Ivy

1153
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: was such a queer awakening for like so many girls.

1154
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: Her entrance. Oh yeah, well this is I mean, like

1155
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: many gay boys. If there's a woman fighting in a movie,

1156
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: like give it to me, like put it in my vein,

1157
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: especially if they're a villain. Because her whole thing was

1158
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: that she just you know, wanted to repopulate the earth

1159
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: with plants. She thought like people were. Poison Ivy was right,

1160
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: which is which is actually now brings us back because

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Speaker 1: maybe I do agree with you that Ragnarok is the

1162
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: gayest m CU movie because it's the only one with

1163
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: a great female villain. It is crazy see that we

1164
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: are not seeing more and better female characters in the

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Speaker 1: m c U. Well Thanos is maybe like social culturally queer,

1166
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: like I feel like, and I also, I mean if

1167
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of chosen family going on with with

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: Fantas as well. His daughters not biologically related, but he

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01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: said we are family, were family, Yeah, and I mean

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Speaker 1: the fact that his sole mission is to like end

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01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: our conscious existence because he knows that existence like only

1172
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: entail suffering. I mean that's very queer like fans was right,

1173
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: honestly was written on the urnal in Hawkeye, we should

1174
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: have been that we should have been snapped? Would okay?

1175
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: Would you have been snapped? No? Why who do you

1176
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: think of the two of us would have been snapped?

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01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: I think you really think so. But then we have

1178
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: to watch Rose emotionally process that. I would have moved

1179
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: on pretty quickly, I know, but that's why it's not

1180
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: a very compelling story. That's not a whole movie. Um.

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01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: Before we go, though, I have to ask what did

1182
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: you think of eternals? What do we think of the

1183
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: gay representation that we're getting internals in Richard Madden, I

1184
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: just want a fucking fag get, you know what I mean?

1185
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: Like I thought that it's cool to see a kiss,

1186
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: it's cool for them to be here. His power was

1187
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: super lame, like he there were so many primary characters

1188
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: that I don't think any of them had their moment

1189
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: they should have. You could have used some editing. Eternals

1190
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 1: is maybe one of the biggest misses that they've had

1191
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: in recently. And also I was shocked that Thanos wasn't

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01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like Thanos is an eternal or whatever? Right, yes,

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: so like I'm I was shocked that they like, yeah,

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01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: he's an eternal canonically. Oh, I didn't know that. I

1195
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: will say that, going back to the very first point

1196
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: of like needing to be a star to lead these movies.

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Speaker 1: I love Gemma not a star. I didn't realize she

1198
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: was going to be like the anchor. The anchor. It

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01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't work. I thought she was very compelling actually, but

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: because there are so many there was no center to me. Also,

1201
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: that sex scene was weird as fuck. Yeah, it was tough.

1202
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: I think that, like, there's so many interesting things they

1203
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: could have done with that little girl. I mean, fucking

1204
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: interview with the vampire did it better? Yeah, you want

1205
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: to talk about little being stuck as a little girl

1206
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: for centuries, like give us some real like like then

1207
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: they just forgive her and like you a chance powers kids, Yeah,

1208
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we I made that a tree. I

1209
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: don't know how, and then they never really explain how.

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01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand like the power threshold, like

1211
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: how powerful they are the degenerates or whatever. We're just

1212
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 1: like like generic spaghetti monsters that didn't really come into

1213
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: play at the end. I thought they would join forces

1214
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: or something at the end that made more sense. Generic

1215
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: spaghetti monsters. Like they did feel like the ones from

1216
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: Quiet Place. Yeah, they felt like the Quiet Place monsters.

1217
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: They felt like the machines in the Matrix. They felt

1218
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: like literally like all the every monsters in Infinity War,

1219
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: the ones that come down from the well. And you know,

1220
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: it's crazy. In the comic book, Angelina Jolie's character and

1221
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: the generate that she like ends up killing and fighting

1222
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: at the end there um have kids and like fall

1223
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: in love and like, I really like much more interesting

1224
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: than what they actually ended up doing. They did kind of,

1225
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: it was kind of they squandered one. One really fun

1226
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: fact that Rose and I learned, though, is that Angelina

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Speaker 1: Jolie and Lady Gaga had the same dialect coach and

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01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: it was Doree Kemsley. They literally, you know, both worked

1229
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: with the same person. It was amazing. I'm just happy

1230
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: that I got to touch Angelina Jolie's blonde wig um

1231
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,679
Speaker 1: during my Eternal set visit and walk on the spaceship.

1232
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: But also like of all of this, of all of

1233
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: the Marvel sets to visit, like kind of the lamest one. Yeah,

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01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: I was Salma having quite a year. I will say

1235
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: she was under utilite. She's been having a good couple

1236
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: of years. I think since like a boss ship she's

1237
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: amazing and which also exists in the MC. She was

1238
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: underutilized in both House of Gucci and I think she

1239
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: was utilized perfectly the right amount in do we think?

1240
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: Do we think Das will be part of Phase five? No?

1241
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: Stop it. It's the first non binary character in the Yeah,

1242
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be the first woman to be

1243
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: misgendered in a Marvel Yeah. Actually that's going to be

1244
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: like my groundbreaking. How do you think they're going to

1245
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: incorporate transnarratives into the m c um badly by dead

1246
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: naming someone? Yea. I mean this just reminds me that

1247
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: ultimately we need an adventure who eats us literally though,

1248
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: and that is enough. These adventures that are like sexually

1249
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,480
Speaker 1: fluid or whatever. That is the platform of this podcast,

1250
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: that's our stands. How are you gonna how are you

1251
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: gonna save the world if you're afraid of Giardia? Okay, Like, yeah,

1252
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with the gushion on

1253
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Finally, we will be joined by

1254
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 1: Evan ross Katz, the gay Buffy Expert, which I will

1255
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,839
Speaker 1: say because I'll guess, I'll consider myself the trance Buffy Expert.

1256
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, if you've never watched Buffy, catch up

1257
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: watched some episodes. You can also always call us to

1258
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: confess the thing that you are so obsessed with in

1259
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: pop culture that you have to force feed it to

1260
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: all of your friends and loved ones. You can call

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01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: us at three to three Pennance. That's three two three

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Speaker 1: seven three six two six two three. Also tweet us

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Speaker 1: your take on this week's episode. Who in the m

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Speaker 1: c U do you love? What would your superpower be?

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Speaker 1: Would you have been dusted? And when fanus snapped? Please

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Speaker 1: also leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. It really

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Speaker 1: helps us a lot um even if it's a little sassy.

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Speaker 1: I'm your co host, Rose Damn You. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok at Rose Damn You

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Speaker 1: and I'm Fran Toronto. You can also find me at

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Speaker 1: You can subscribe to Like a Virgin anywhere you listen

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Speaker 1: to podcasts, and again, please leave us a review. It's

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Speaker 1: the number one thing to help our podcast out. Like

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Speaker 1: a Virgin, Isn't I heart radio production. Our producer is

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Speaker 1: Phoebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman, Julian Weller, Jess Crane,

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Speaker 1: Chitch and Nikki Etre. Until next week, See you later,

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Speaker 1: Virgins chow Rose. Also, there's an episode. I was going

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Speaker 1: to send you a voice, Mamil last night, but it

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Speaker 1: was two o'clock in the morning. Unfortunately, they do an

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Speaker 1: episode in New Zealand and they take a photo shoot

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Speaker 1: in hobbiton they take a photo in the how now

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Speaker 1: you've piqued my interest and now they take a photo

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Speaker 1: in the Hobbit door. When are we? When are we

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Speaker 1: going to do a Lord of the Rings episode on

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Speaker 1: location in News Zealand? And I will and you know

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Speaker 1: I will be dressed as sexy Gandalf, no joke, We

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Speaker 1: should probably just Gandalf. We should do it like or no,

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Speaker 1: I'll go I'll be a ring race. We have to

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Speaker 1: like we should. If there's anyone listening who's like part

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Speaker 1: of the like New Zealand Tourism Board or something and

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Speaker 1: wants to send us to New Zealand to do like

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Speaker 1: a Lord of the Rings tour for free. Oh, actually

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Speaker 1: that's a legitimate thing. Yeah, please Phoebe put this in

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Speaker 1: and put this in the episode. We we will do anything.

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Speaker 1: We will do literally anything to be able to go

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Speaker 1: to Hobbitons. So many deliverable you know, I'll follow your

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Speaker 1: little itineraries. I will show whole for the Hobbit Hole. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we gotta go by