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Speaker 3: That's right, motherfucker's it's a book episode of Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 3: the only podcast that's right.

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Speaker 1: What? What?

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Speaker 1: What have you done to us?

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Speaker 3: I'm having a great day, Sophie. I'm I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting down, I'm having my first cafe ola made

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Speaker 3: think that just means coffee with milk. If not, don't

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Speaker 3: tell me. I don't care anyway, Garrison, how are you

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Speaker 4: I'm doing fine. I'm having I'm having a Chai tea

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Speaker 3: But speaking of Nazis. Do you know what we have

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Speaker 3: Why the book we're reading today is Win Bigley Persuasion

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Speaker 3: And I just persuaded Garrison to support dominating the capital

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Speaker 3: gains tax using my weapons grade persuasion skills. I rolled

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Speaker 3: a NAT twenty.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think I think we should just have

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Speaker 4: a federal sales tax and that's evenly distributed aggressive all

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Speaker 4: the money spent. Yeah, and that's that is the way

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Speaker 4: to solve all of our economic problems. That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: A lot of a lot of people who get paid

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Speaker 3: by the Heritage Foundation are saying that. So President Trump's

448
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Speaker 3: critics and mine asked me how I could call the

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Speaker 3: president a master persuader when his public approval levels were

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Speaker 3: in the cellar. The quick answer is that low approval

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Speaker 3: didn't stop him from winning the presidency. No, but you're

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Speaker 3: you're not saying he's a master winner of the presidency.

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Speaker 3: You're saying he persuaded people. And the evidence is most

454
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Speaker 3: people never liked him anyway. Whatever, it's it's it's it's

455
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Speaker 3: not that he's so obsessed with the idea that Trump

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Speaker 3: is persuading people and that like, that's what the debate

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Speaker 3: is about, when really, like, nobody's nobody's arguing that, like,

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Speaker 3: the people who like him are saying that, like, the

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Speaker 3: folks who are against him are engaged in an evil

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Speaker 3: conspiracy against America, and the folks who hate him are like,

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Speaker 3: he's shitty and he took advantage of of fucked up

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Speaker 3: and archaic election system in order to win, Like nobody's

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Speaker 3: nobody's nobody reasonable thinks that Trump is good at convincing

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Speaker 3: the masses of things like, that's just not what he did. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's what Scott's convinced that he did. But here's the

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Speaker 3: fun part. I also believe that Trump, the master persuader,

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Speaker 3: keeps using that term, was going to do far more

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Speaker 3: than win the presidency. I expected Trump to rip a

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Speaker 3: hole in the fabric of reality so we can well

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Speaker 3: through it to a deeper truth about the human experience. Well,

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Speaker 3: that may have happened.

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Speaker 4: That did actually happened, that is true. Oops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, either either that or a series of decisions that

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Speaker 3: were made that included the development of a parallel digital

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Speaker 3: culture driven by algorithm like faded the divisions between realities

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Speaker 3: and a fucking homunculi was able to creep through a

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Speaker 3: political shock oth if you will, broke into our reality.

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Speaker 4: And most of that is probably Zuckerberg's fault, but someone

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Speaker 4: was going to do it.

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Speaker 3: Somebody was going to do it, and it was Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we'll give Scott that one. Okay, we'll give

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Speaker 3: Scott that one.

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Speaker 4: You know, he he does title his next section why

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Speaker 4: facts are Overrated? So yeah, I don't think that.

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Speaker 3: Is that is true. We'll skip right to that one

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Speaker 3: after we finish this little bit the common worldview shared

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Speaker 3: by most humans is that there is one objective reality.

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Speaker 3: None of the most humans actually agree about that, and

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Speaker 3: we humans can understand that reality through a rigorous application

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Speaker 3: of facts and reason. I definitely don't think human being

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Speaker 3: all human beings agree on that for one thing like

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Speaker 3: religions exist. This view of the world imagines that some

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Speaker 3: people have already achieved a fact based type of enlightenment

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Speaker 3: that is compatible with science and logic, and they are

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Speaker 3: trying to help the rest of us see the world

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Speaker 3: right way. As far as I can tell, most people

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Speaker 3: share that interpretation of the world. The only wrinkle with

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Speaker 3: that worldview is is that we all think we are

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Speaker 3: the enlightened ones, and we assume the people who disagree

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Speaker 3: with us just need better facts or perhaps better brains

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Speaker 3: in order to agree with us. That filter on life

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Speaker 3: makes most of us happy because we see ourselves as

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Speaker 3: the smart ones, and it does a good job of

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Speaker 3: predicting the future only, but only, because confirmation bias will

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Speaker 3: make the future look any way we want it to look.

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Speaker 3: Within reason. When I saw what I saw with Trump's

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Speaker 3: candidacy for president is that the within reason part of

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Speaker 3: our understanding about reality was about to change bigly. I

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Speaker 3: knew that candidate Trump's persuasion skills were about to annihilate

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Speaker 3: the public's ability to understand what they were seeing because

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Speaker 3: their observations wouldn't fit their mental model of living in

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Speaker 3: a rational world. But this is interesting because, for one thing,

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Speaker 3: I think the first accurate like warning about Trump, which

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Speaker 3: came out before or right around the time when Scott

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Speaker 3: started making his posts, was by my former colleague Cracked

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Speaker 3: Adam Todd Brown, who wrote a whole article about how

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Speaker 3: Trump was like very influenced specific by old fascist political

518
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Speaker 3: leaders and was using a lot of those tactics in

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Speaker 3: order to build a base of support within the Republican

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Speaker 3: Party and that he would indeed win the Republican primary.

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Speaker 3: Adam called that months before any of this happened, and

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of other people, and particularly a

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Speaker 3: lot of actual like scholars of fascism who were warning

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Speaker 3: about him well prior to him winning the.

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Speaker 4: Primaries.

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Speaker 3: And these were not people who were, like say, like

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Speaker 3: the attitude that like people were saying he can't possibly win.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't gel to me with what a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who were paying attention were saying. I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of the And that's different from saying like, well,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's likely to win in like

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Speaker 3: say January or like December of twenty fifteen, but yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. It's and I think he's silly here.

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Speaker 4: The difference between what Scott's doing is right. Scott's saying

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Speaker 4: that the reason why this worked is because there's like

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Speaker 4: this magical thinking aspect where Trump is just like naturally

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Speaker 4: better at being this like mystical persua versus actual like

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Speaker 4: scholars identifying and like identifying the use of a playbook.

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Speaker 4: And those are those are two very very different things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's again, he's kind of he's obsessed

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Speaker 3: with this framing that he's put together of Trump as

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Speaker 3: a persuader, and it's I think kind of leading him

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Speaker 3: to lose what could be kind of some of the

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Speaker 3: actual useful conclusions that you could draw based on some

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Speaker 3: of this stuff. A lot of people's belief in normalcy

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Speaker 3: and like the in like political normalcy is what caused

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Speaker 3: them to not see Trump coming and not see the danger.

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Speaker 3: This was particularly a problem for a lot of establishment

549
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Speaker 3: Republicans who did not think that something like this could happen.

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Speaker 3: He didn't think like an outsider like this could one.

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Speaker 3: And I think most most people observing kind of looked

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Speaker 3: at the past of Trump's previous runs for president, and

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Speaker 3: generally of the long history of like weirdo candidates, and

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Speaker 3: thought that it was likely to go that way. That's

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Speaker 3: not like a belief about like I wouldn't call that

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Speaker 3: confirmation bias. That's kind of because again, like reality didn't

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Speaker 3: wind up bearing that way. And most people rightly saw

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Speaker 3: this as a problem right away. They didn't think, like

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Speaker 3: reality has broken. They were like, oh, American politics is

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Speaker 3: more broken than I had thought. The American electorate is

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Speaker 3: more fucked up than I had thought. The electoral College

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Speaker 3: is a worse system than I had realized. Which is

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Speaker 3: kind of like a reasonable way to translate this. But

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Speaker 3: Scott's got to make it all about like how Trump

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Speaker 3: like cunningly manipulated reality as opposed to Trump kind of

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Speaker 3: taking advantage to flaws within the system that people didn't realize.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people didn't realize were as flawed as

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Speaker 3: it was, but a lot of people in fact did

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Speaker 3: realize and warn about it and recognize what was happening here.

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Speaker 3: He's again kind of got to make himself the only

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Speaker 3: person who thought that Trump could win, which he clearly wasn't.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, whatever, it's it's fun.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, uh d think we were we were we

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Speaker 4: were in Did we get to watch it? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, I've got his next here. So he's he's talking

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Speaker 3: about where what he where he lands Politically? I label

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Speaker 3: myself an ultraliberal, and by that I mean liberals seem

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Speaker 3: too conservative to me. I'll give you some examples. Generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: conservatives want to ban abortion, while liberals want it to

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Speaker 3: be to remain legal. I go one step further and

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Speaker 3: say that men should sideline themselves from the question and

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Speaker 3: follow the lead on the of women on the topic

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Speaker 3: of reproductive health, men should still be in the conversation

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Speaker 3: about their own money. Of course, what does that mean, Scott?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What what is what does that line mean? What are

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Speaker 3: you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Means? Are they're not going to pay for an abortion? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you saying that, like men should not have a

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Speaker 3: be compelled to pay child support?

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Speaker 4: Ever?

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Speaker 3: Is that the statement? Because I'm I'm kind of trying

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Speaker 3: to interpret that, and I don't know where where men's

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Speaker 3: money comes up in the conversation of like reproductive rights,

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Speaker 3: other than if you're bringing up the fact that, like

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Speaker 3: you don't think men should be have to be compelled

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Speaker 3: to pay child support if they get someone pregnant because

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Speaker 3: it's the woman's choice. Is that I think that's kind

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Speaker 3: of where Scott's.

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Speaker 4: Coming in on this. I guess so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. My personal sense of ethics says that

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Speaker 3: the people who take the most responsibility for important societal

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Speaker 3: outcomes should also have the strongest say. My male opinion

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Speaker 3: on women's reproductive health adds nothing to the quality of

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Speaker 3: the decision. That Part's fine. Women have it covered. The

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Speaker 3: most credible laws and abortion to the ones that most

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Speaker 3: women support, and while life or death issues are on

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Speaker 3: the table, credibility is essential to the smooth operation of society.

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Speaker 3: That's great, Good, Good for you, Scott. He says that

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Speaker 3: he is legal for or he is for legalizing marijuana,

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Speaker 3: and he also thinks doctors should prescribe recreational drugs for

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Speaker 3: old people. Yeah, I'm alright with that. That's fine. That's fine, Scott.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to complicated affairs about economics and foreign affairs,

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Speaker 3: my opinion is that I never have enough data to

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Speaker 3: form competent opinions neither does anyone else. Well that Scott

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Speaker 3: now actually have to have an opinion do have, especially

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Speaker 3: on like foreign affairs. It's like, well, actually, Scott, there's

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Speaker 3: people who's like entire lives are understanding the interaction of

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Speaker 3: for example, the United States and other foreign countries, or

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Speaker 3: understanding what countries that are having problems with like food

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Speaker 3: and security or like not lack of access to clean water,

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Speaker 3: or you know, difficulties like dealing with the AIDS virus.

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Speaker 3: There are people who dedicate their whole lives to understanding

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Speaker 3: those issues in the context of other countries. There are

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Speaker 3: a lot of people who have understandings about what are

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Speaker 3: good policy is there That's a very silly statement, Scott. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: that's that's the It's fine whatever, Scott generally speak, what

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Speaker 3: chapter is this? Then this is an introduction? Still okay,

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Speaker 3: over still an instruction? Yeah, yeah, we're still an introduction.

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Speaker 3: Generally speaking, Conservatives think we live in a country where

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Speaker 3: everyone always has already has equal opportunity. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that's what they say, though.

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Speaker 4: I'll give him that.

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Speaker 3: I'll give him that. That is a statement that gets made.

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Speaker 3: Liberals generally think the government should do more to a

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Speaker 3: guarantee equal opportunity. I go one step further and suggest

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Speaker 3: considering slavery reparations for African Americans in the form of

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Speaker 3: free college and job training funded by a twenty five

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Speaker 3: year tax in the top one percent. Hey, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Although I wonder if he still has this opinion. I

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Speaker 4: don't know that he does.

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Speaker 3: It's also interesting that he's like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 3: state an opinion on abortion, because as a man, I

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00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't have one. But he is like, here is exactly

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Speaker 3: how I think reparations for Black Americans should work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Scott. Maybe you could just say I support reparations

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Speaker 3: and let someone else figure out how it's supposed to

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Speaker 3: go the plan.

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Speaker 4: But.

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Speaker 3: As a reparations plan. But hey, look, at least he's

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Speaker 3: closer to the right on that side than I think

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Speaker 3: you would have expected, given his most recent racist statements

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Speaker 3: that got the Delbert comic cancel. Yes, okay, so I

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Speaker 3: guess that's the end of the things that make him

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Speaker 3: an uber liberal. Fine, fine enough, So I think we're

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Speaker 3: going to move on to Why Facts Are Overrated, Part

658
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Speaker 3: one of his book, The Most Important Perceptual Perceptual Shift

659
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Speaker 3: in History My spooky Year was fun for me, but

660
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Speaker 3: was also a dangerous time for the world's collective mental health.

661
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: Enlightenment can be a risky business when your old worldview

662
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Speaker 3: pulse apart. It can trigger all kinds of irrational behavior

663
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Speaker 3: before your brain rewrites the movie in your head to

664
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Speaker 3: make it consistent with your new worldview. We all have

665
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Speaker 3: movies in our heads that we believe are accurate views

666
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Speaker 3: of reality, and those movies are very different. Normally, we

667
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: don't notice the differences in our personal movies or we

668
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: don't care. But when politics are involved the stakes are higher,

669
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Speaker 3: then we notice. Emotions are already raw in election years,

670
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Speaker 3: and millions of people are focused on the same topics

671
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Speaker 3: at the same time. That's a barrel of gasoline and

672
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: a lot of matches in one place. The last thing

673
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 3: the country needed was millions of people simultaneously going nuts.

674
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: I hope it could reduce that risk by writing about

675
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: Trump's persuasion talents and preparing the public or what I

676
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: saw coming. It's interesting he is. There's a degree this

677
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: In some other parts of the book. He's like kind

678
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: of trying to repackage Robert Anton Wilson's ideas about like

679
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 3: reality tunnels and doing it number one in a way

680
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: that's kind of like overly simplistic, and also doing it

681
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: in a way where the goal is to bring people

682
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: to a specific understanding of reality rather than understand the

683
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: different kind of realities that people live in, and being

684
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 3: able to kind of move through different reality tunnels as

685
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: that's kind of advantageous for the things that you're trying

686
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: to do. YEA, Like, his attitude on this is so

687
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: much more brittle than I think the kind of elegant

688
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: concepts that Robert Anton Wilson brings up when he talks about,

689
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: like how kind of inhabiting letting yourself and figuring out

690
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: how to kind of like metaprogram your mind to inhabit

691
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 3: different realities can allow you to deal with stuff like

692
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: addiction can allow you to like become, you know, more

693
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: artistically productive. Certain ways can allow you to like achieve

694
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: things that you would otherwise have difficulty achieving. Because perception

695
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: dictates to a substantial extent, how we how we like

696
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 3: interface and experience reality. What Scott's talking about is like

697
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: so much more brittle than that, And you also get

698
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: the feeling that he believes that he and the master

699
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 3: persuaders are the only ones who can actually like see

700
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: the tunnels people are moving through. And and it's about

701
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: kind of manipulation of large groups of people as opposed

702
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: to understanding yourself and taking more control over your own

703
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Speaker 3: interactions in the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I because he's he's also he's like promoting

705
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: himself as like this figure that's like seen like I've

706
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: like seen the divine prophecy when Trump comes down the

707
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: Golden elevator and now I will distill the secrets onto you.

708
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: And it's all this like it is, it is, it

709
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 4: is a very it is it's from completely different ends

710
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: than what someone like Roberton Wilson's doing. It's also like

711
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how I I'm not sure if the

712
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Speaker 4: dilver guy can recognize how far into a reality tunnel

713
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: he is in. Yeah, and how much like so, how

714
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Speaker 4: much of that like self awareness can to extend out

715
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Speaker 4: to other people you.

716
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Speaker 3: Scott talks a lot about his own ignorance of certain things,

717
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: like I think history, and it's kind of evident here

718
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: because he talks about how like you know, if you

719
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: watch the entire election and concluded that Trump was nothing

720
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: but a lucky clown you missed one of the most

721
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: important perceptual shifts in the history of humankind. And I

722
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: agree it's wrong to view Trump as just a lucky clown.

723
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: Trump is an authoritarian utilizing very time worn tactics to

724
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: take advantage of the worst aspects of American culture, which

725
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: have been evident as long as this country has existed.

726
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 3: Scott like, I don't think has a I either is

727
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: pretending not to have any kind of understanding of like

728
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 3: American political history and some of the different figures that

729
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: Trump learned from. He doesn't know about kind of the

730
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: history of of of I don't know how Nixon got elected,

731
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: of the the kind of the the Southern strategy, all

732
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: this kind of shit that you see echoes of in

733
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: the way Trump did his campaigning and is going to

734
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: do his campaigning for the next election. Scott, I hes certainly,

735
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Speaker 3: like I don't know if it's that he doesn't know

736
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Speaker 3: this or he doesn't think that it's profitable to bring

737
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: it up, but like the completely the framing of this

738
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: is like Trump hacked the human brain somehow and that's

739
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: how he run one, rather than like it's always been

740
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: profitable to trade on bigotry and fear in American politics,

741
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: and Trump figured out how to take advantage of social

742
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: media to do that extremely efficiently. But you know that's

743
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: not the way Scott describes this as happening.

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00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: Instead, Trump can then be seen as this like a

745
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 4: like a like a like a mystical persuader. Yeah, as

746
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: opposed to someone using like a very a very tried

747
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: and true playbook for gaining political power.

748
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It's interesting, like when you when you talk about uh,

749
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: like this kind of stuff. It reminds me a little

750
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: bit about how people talked about and still does some

751
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: extint do talked about like Hitler's rise a lot where

752
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: they you know, they described it as like he he

753
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: kind of like brainwashed the German people and he was

754
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: somehow able to like gain this deep degree of control

755
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: over their minds using these almost like his his mythical

756
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: charisma and persuasion techniques.

757
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 4: It was a it was a mass hypnosis. Yeah. No.

758
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Speaker 3: He he engaged in a number of time worn like

759
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Speaker 3: campaign traditions, and he also understood new technologies like radio

760
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: and the airplane and their application in a democratic election

761
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 3: in a way that other people didn't yet. And so

762
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: as a result, there was kind of less immunity from

763
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: his political opponents to those strategies, he's in less understanding

764
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Speaker 3: of how to counter them, and he was able to

765
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Speaker 3: combine that with kind of the venal cowardice of a

766
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: number of folks who were, you know, his political opponents

767
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: but not diametrically politically opposed to his attitudes, and able

768
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 3: to sneak into power that way, Like like Hitler's there's

769
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: nothing like hard to explain about how Hitler took power.

770
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Speaker 3: It was a mixture of like savvy political techniques and

771
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: then social engineering and basically bribery. And it's it's you know,

772
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: with Trump, that's less on the bribery side of thing,

773
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: but it's like, yeah, he won election, Like there's not

774
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 3: much of a difference between how he came to power

775
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: and how George W.

776
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 4: Bush came to power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Like it's it's yeah, but anyway, he's a

778
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: master persuader. So if you seek enlightenment, these are two

779
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: of the most important concepts you will ever learn. Cognitive dissonance.

780
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 3: This is a mental condition in which people rationalize why

781
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 3: their actions are inconsistent with their thoughts and beliefs. For example,

782
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 3: if you think you are smart, but you notice yourself

783
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: doing something that is clearly dumb, you might spontaneously hallucinate

784
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 3: that that was a good reason for it. Now, Scott,

785
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: you might want to read that part again. You might

786
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: want to go over that sentence a couple of times, Buddy. Yeah,

787
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Speaker 3: this is a common phenomenon in all normal humans, but

788
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: we generally believe it applies only to other people. I

789
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: think you're revealing a lot about yourself there, Scott. I

790
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: actually think most people are humble enough to be like, Yeah,

791
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: I often fall short of like how I believe I

792
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: should be acting or behaving. You know, I am not

793
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: always consistent with the things that I know are right.

794
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'm dishonest, Like most people I know are capable

795
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 3: of admitting that they're flawed people. I think Scott is

796
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: it's interesting that he has this attitude that like, I'm

797
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: the only one who understands that cognitive dissonance is a

798
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: factor in my life. Like, no, I think most of

799
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 3: us are aware it's hard to be consistent with the

800
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: versions of ourselves that theoretically are the best anyway.

801
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: Whatever.

802
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: He talks about confirmation bias, which he all so describes

803
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: as a common phenomenon that we believe only happens to

804
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 3: other people. I saw in the election of twenty sixteen

805
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 3: a dangerous situation forming if the public misunderstood Trump's methods

806
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: and intentions, and that seemed likely, things could turn ugly worse. Yet,

807
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: the public might not appreciate the extraordinary richness of their

808
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: choice in the election. No matter what you thought of

809
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 3: Trump or his policies, he certainly was different, and he

810
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: certainly knew how to make things happen. I thought the

811
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: public deserved to see the Trump candidacy as clearly as possible,

812
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: without the biased framing that his adversaries were applying. You

813
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: might be wondering how confident I was about my prediction

814
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 3: that Trump would win. Well, no one is psychic. I

815
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: can't say no with total certainty what the future holds.

816
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: For example, I couldn't predict what types of scandals would

817
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: pop up along the way. But I do know persuasion.

818
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: I know its power in a way that few people do,

819
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: and I recognize that with Trump's level of persuasion skill,

820
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: he was bringing a flamethrower to a stick fight.

821
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Speaker 4: Speaking of there's a in part for there's a section

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Speaker 4: called how a trained persuader Ofugh was it how a

823
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 4: trained persuader evaluates scandals.

824
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott starts talking about how good he is at

825
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: predicting here, and he brings up his two thousand and

826
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: four book The Religion War. Now Garrison, this is one

827
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: of the worst books ever written. And you're inested in

828
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: reading some reviews of this and one of his other

829
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: terrible fiction books. The podcast House of Decline Haus has

830
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: been doing a read through that includes my friend and

831
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: cartoonist Rory Blank. That's quite good, but it Scott. Here's

832
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: how Scott describes it. I predicted the rise of an

833
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: Islamic caliphate in the Middle East and their use of

834
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: hobby sized drones for terror attacks. That happens to be

835
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: a good description of isis in twenty seventeen. Now, that's

836
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: not what Scott writes in this book. In this book,

837
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 3: he's writing about like a fictional war between like all

838
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 3: of the Western countries, like out like unite under this,

839
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: like Christian you know, democratic military alliance to fight the

840
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 3: Muslim world, which in this book, a Palacedinean man engineers

841
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: the destruction of Israel and then unites all of the

842
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: Arab countries. And also I think like Iran and stuff,

843
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: So like not just Arab countries, but like Sunni and

844
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: Shia all get together in this Islamic Caliphate and launch

845
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: a long term terrorist attack against the West that includes

846
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: like constant suicide drone bombings of like like Western cities.

847
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: That's actually not a good description of ISIS. ISIS, for

848
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: one thing, didn't destroy Israel. They didn't actually overthrow any state.

849
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Speaker 3: And while ISIS did use hobby drones, they didn't use

850
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: them for terrorist attacks. They used them as part of

851
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: a military like strategy, like they use them as spotters

852
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: for their mortars, they used them to drop bombs on soldiers.

853
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 3: In other words, Scott kind of imagined the use of

854
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: like this kind of like perpetual terror war against the

855
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: West by this evil Muslim empire created by a Palestinian

856
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: man who had used democracy to destroy Israel. And he's

857
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 3: saying that's exactly like what happened with ISIS in twenty seventeen.

858
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: It is not Scott, your predict this is not you

859
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: did not predict Isis.

860
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: Are you saying Gilbert is not an ISIS understander?

861
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 3: I I don't think that he is anyway, Uh, yeah,

862
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 3: what do you what do you want to go through

863
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: next here Master Persuader.

864
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Speaker 4: There's there's a funny section called about facts. But I

865
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Speaker 4: mean a lot of these are pretty good. I mean,

866
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Speaker 4: there's the myth of the rational mind.

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Speaker 3: Pretty funny. Yeah, we'll probably check that out.

868
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Speaker 4: Mass delusions, when reality bifurcated, which is it not a

869
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Speaker 4: cent when bifurcated?

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Speaker 3: I guess it? No, yeah, because when reality yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: okay works.

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Speaker 4: I see what he means. Now. Yeah, anyway, Trump's rosy

873
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Speaker 4: O'Donnell moment.

874
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Speaker 3: You know what Bifer, Well, we're gonna have to check

875
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: that one out.

876
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 2: But you know what kated is well that he's also

877
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Speaker 2: a Casey Anthony Truther.

878
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Speaker 3: I hope so, because because I am, you know who

879
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: else is a Casey Anthony Truther or Sophie?

880
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: Uh this ad for the podcast that might come up,

881
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: but there was.

882
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: A non zero chance that we get an ad for

883
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Speaker 3: the podcast. Here we go, Ah, we're back. I hope

884
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Speaker 3: the subreddits having a good time figuring out what was bleeped.

885
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: That's a real bleep. That's not one of the ones

886
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 3: where I like put in a fake like that was

887
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Speaker 3: a real bleep.

888
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Speaker 4: And that about it. I don't yeah, I don't. I

889
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Speaker 4: don't sure how how much do we have to bleep

890
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: up there? It is really uncy.

891
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 3: It's gonna be quite a bit because we can get

892
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Speaker 3: in trouble for that one.

893
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: But I'm super pissed off about it because I'm so

894
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: fucking right.

895
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Speaker 4: Are we gonna have to bleep Trumb's roso Donald the

896
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 4: moment to justice to just be Trump's bleep?

897
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: No? No, we can say that. We can say Rosie

898
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: O'Donnell in that context. It's fine anyway, someone on the

899
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Speaker 3: subredd it'll figure out what we what we probably said,

900
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Speaker 3: But as long as we don't say no.

901
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Speaker 1: I was really fucking proud of it.

902
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: It was very funny. So about facts. On August thirteenth,

903
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, I predicted my blog that Donald Trump had

904
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Speaker 3: a ninety eight percent chance of winning the presidency based

905
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Speaker 3: on his persuasion skills.

906
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: Wait, why did he think ninety eight percent?

907
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, first off, that's a nonsense number, and it's funny,

908
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: he says. A week earlier, he talks about like Nate

909
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Silver had put, the most respected political forecaster in the

910
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: United States, had put Trump's odds of winning their Republican

911
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: nomination at two percent in his five thirty eight blog yeah,

912
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 3: which is like, yeah, I guess it's fair that people

913
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Speaker 3: didn't note that he was going enough people didn't note

914
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Speaker 3: that he was likely to win the primaries early on,

915
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Speaker 3: although it also is worth noting that Nate Silver is

916
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: one of the people who actually accurately called the way

917
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: in which Trump was going to win, like when he

918
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 3: gave him like a thirty something percent chance, which was

919
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 3: higher than any of the other posters, and he laid

920
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Speaker 3: out basically the collapse of the Democrat firewall in kind

921
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Speaker 3: of the Midwest and how that could lead to an

922
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: electoral victory and was pretty much correct, which is more

923
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: impressive than Scott saying nine eight percent. Oh boy. Some

924
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: of the rare and notable predictors of Trump's win included

925
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Speaker 3: Mike Cernovich and Colter Stefan Malinu, Milo Ianopolis, Bill Mitchell.

926
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Speaker 3: Absolutely horrible. There's a bad yeah, just all terrible people,

927
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Speaker 3: good stuff, good stuff. In California where I lived, it lived,

928
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Speaker 3: it seemed as if most Trump supporters weren't hiding because

929
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Speaker 3: of the social and career risks of publicly supporting him.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

931
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Speaker 3: Luckily he was wrong. Trump's Twitter followers had adopted him

932
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Speaker 3: immediately and have my back every step of the way.

933
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Speaker 3: And the critics he came after me on Twitter and elsewhere.

934
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Speaker 3: Trump supporters flooded into back me. I didn't ask them

935
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Speaker 3: to do it, they just did.

936
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Speaker 4: Wow.

937
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: So that's why he wrote this book. He did it

938
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Speaker 3: to as he did it of solidarity with Trump's Twitter followers.

939
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Speaker 4: Oh that's great, that's good.

940
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: It's it's good stuff. Okay, Well there suasion tips, some

941
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: great persuasion tips.

942
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

943
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

944
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 3: One is reciprocity. If you're nice to people, they want

945
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: to be nice to you in return. That's a really

946
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: tip for you, Garrison. Yeah really yeah, yeah, that tip

947
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: number three. All of these his brilliant techniques, like being

948
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: nice to people work even if people know what you're doing.

949
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 3: That's that's good. This is all like very basic shit

950
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: like that. There's been scientific studies about how stuff like

951
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: reciprocity works. Like, none of this is like new. All

952
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: of this is stuff you can find in a different

953
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: books about like how to negotiate and shit, it's it's

954
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: it is pretty boring. Uh yeah, let's move on to

955
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: another chapter that's less boring than this. That's the next

956
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: third grade fucking persuasion tactic shit.

957
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 4: The next section is how to see reality in a

958
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 4: more useful way? Which? Which? Which? Which? Starts off with

959
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 4: the myth of the rational mind?

960
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, Garrison, I gotta, I gotta give you this.

961
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: He keeps talking about Nate Silver later in this chapter.

962
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: I gotta go into this here. Yeah, Okay, this is telling.

963
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: I picked ninety eight percent as my Trump prediction because

964
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 3: Nate Silver of five point thirty eight was saying two percent.

965
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: I did that for branding and persuasion purposes. It is

966
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: easy to remember my prediction both because of the way

967
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: it fits with Silver's prediction and for its audacity, which

968
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: people perceived as wrongness. The prediction was designed to attract attention,

969
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: and it did. It was also designed to pair my

970
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 3: name with Nate Silver's name to raise my profile by association.

971
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: That worked too. Social media folks mentioned me in the

972
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: same sense with Silver countless times during the election, exactly

973
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: as I had hoped, and every mention raised my importance

974
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: as a political observer because I was being compared with

975
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: someone already important in that field. Keep in mind that

976
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: at this point in our story, I was playing the

977
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: wrong sport. I was a cartoonist writing about politics and persuasion.

978
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: I needed whatever credibility I could get to build an

979
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 3: audience for my Trump blog. It's interesting because he's talking

980
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: about how like I subtly hacked people's brains to make

981
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 3: myself seem more credible. No, the people who it wasn't

982
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 3: like serious political pollsters who were taking Scott Adam seriously.

983
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: It was like Rando Trump supporters on Twitter who liked

984
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 3: you because you were saying what they already believed. Again,

985
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: Scott could consistently talks about what he's doing is persuasion.

986
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 3: You didn't persuade anybody. You joined a crowd of people

987
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: all cheering for a guy, and they liked that you

988
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: were cheering for the same guy.

989
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: Like in the same sentence where he talks about yeah,

990
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: confirmation bias.

991
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 3: It's interesting because again it's like yeah credit where it's new. Scott,

992
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: you said before Trump one uh the primary, that he

993
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: was gonna win the primary. You know, I'll give you

994
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: give you a credit for being right there, But you're

995
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: talking about persuasion. You didn't persuade people. You went to

996
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: a group of people who all thought Trump was going

997
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: to win because they were Trump's supporters on Twitter and

998
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: they liked you because you were also a Trump supporter

999
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 3: on Twitter. That's not persuasion, Scott. Okay, now we can

1000
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: move on. What is it you wanted me to get

1001
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: into next?

1002
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: The Myth of the rational The Myth of the Rational

1003
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: Mind on page thirty three looks pretty good, And then

1004
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: there's then there is then there's mass delusions on sixty two.

1005
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 3: God, there are so many fucking chapters. It's this is horrible.

1006
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 3: Uh wait, where the fuck is the Myth of the

1007
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: Rational Mind? Thirty three thirty three?

1008
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 2: How many chapters are there?

1009
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: Well?

1010
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: I don't Well, there's like, there's like five parts, but

1011
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 4: each part has its own little like sub grouping.

1012
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: He has a bunch of like short, shitty chapters and

1013
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: they all have like dog shittle weird stupid titles.

1014
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: Go Bigley or go Home great great titles.

1015
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: Wait, but what was what was Donald Trump's real Donald moment?

1016
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 5: We'll find out that there are so many little chapters

1017
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 5: I want to read here, the making of a hypnotist

1018
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 5: who could be hypnotized, hypnosis superpowers, finding a hypnosis school.

1019
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, all right, The Myth of the Rational Mind.

1020
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: Students of philosophy, remember that Plato Jesus Christ. Remember that

1021
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: Plato talked about the subjective nature of our personal realities

1022
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 3: In the Allegory of the Cave. Plato asked, us, Oh God,

1023
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to go.

1024
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 4: We don't need to explain the allegory of the cave

1025
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 4: to us. I'm sorry, No, you.

1026
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 3: All learned about this in a high school, right, which

1027
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: is the last time Scott learned anything?

1028
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 4: Or matrix? Who cares? Matrix?

1029
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1030
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 4: Who carey?

1031
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: The points of Plato's allegory is that, figuratively speaking, the

1032
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: humans might be chained to a cave created by our

1033
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: own faulty brains and senses, experiencing a shadow world that

1034
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 3: is entirely different from objective reality. Other famous philosophers, notably

1035
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: David Hume, have questioned the nature cause the existence of

1036
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: free will. If, as some philosophers claim, humans have no

1037
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: free will and we are nothing but victims of cause

1038
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: and effect, that means our common view of reality is absurd.

1039
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: In this model of the world, we are little more

1040
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: than meat robots who wrongly believe we control our own

1041
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: decisions and actions. He's now, he's now, he's talking. He's

1042
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 3: just this is like he's like summarizing, like Wikipedia pages

1043
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: for four guys. It's about comp next just like Google,

1044
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: cause than him talking about a manual.

1045
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 4: No, we have to read at least one sentence of Skull.

1046
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 3: Uses a lot of words to say reality isn't necessarily

1047
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: anything like the way we perceive it, laughing. Kant uses

1048
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: a lot of words. You have to give him that.

1049
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 4: I just like that. That's his abbreviated version for CON's philosophy.

1050
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: Well, he does say he have explained that our brains

1051
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: don't have direct access to base reality. We have to

1052
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: settle for interpreting the input from our faulty senses. Okay,

1053
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: there you go, there you go. I only mentioned yeah.

1054
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: Mas de dilutions on page sixty two.

1055
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: I only mention them to show that smart people throughout

1056
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: history have made arguments about the subjective nature reality that

1057
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 3: are compatible with what you will read in these pages.

1058
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: Now.

1059
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 3: Now not the case, Scott.

1060
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: That is, you're saying, like Plato, Plato, David Hume, and

1061
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 4: Kant agree.

1062
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: With me, because for one thing, what Scott's been building

1063
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 3: to this whole time is not like reality is entirely

1064
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: subjective in the response and like the result of like

1065
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: flawed senses. It's I Scott atoms understand reality and the

1066
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: only one did I was the right one, and you

1067
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: need to understand how I'm right about reality in this

1068
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: weird specific way, like great I a manual count appreciateor.

1069
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Speaker 4: Scott Adams, Jesus, fuck.

1070
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Speaker 3: It's good stuff. What are we what are we looking at? Next?

1071
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 4: Mass Illusions on page sixty two. Yeah, okay, and that

1072
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 4: one is back to back with when when reality bifurcated?

1073
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 4: So you know, good stuff. But then within those like

1074
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Speaker 4: nine pages, I am excited to get into that. I

1075
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Speaker 4: do like that Mass Delusions is a little like five

1076
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Speaker 4: pages long.

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Speaker 3: No, no, you don't need that much space to talk

1078
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: about mass illusions. You know.

1079
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 4: It's after confirmation bias.

1080
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 3: There we go, and right before Salem witch trials and

1081
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Speaker 3: orson Wells is more of the world.

1082
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 2: I feel like Robert, like the word searches you could

1083
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Speaker 2: do to find things in this book would be incredible.

1084
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: I might do our good, old, our old stand by

1085
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 3: word search and just see what he has to say

1086
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Speaker 3: about the Jewish people.

1087
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Speaker 4: Control f Jew?

1088
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Speaker 3: Yeah, control f Jew. If you don't know how frequently

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Speaker 3: mass illusions occur in your daily experience, many of your

1090
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 3: opinions about the world are likely to be nonsense in

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00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: your daily experience. Yeah, that's because mass illusions are the

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00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: norm for humanity, not the exception. Don't believe me. It's

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00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: easy to check. Just ask your neighbors about the religious

1094
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: and political views. You'll find plenty of disagreement with your worldview.

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00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 3: And so, according to you, your neighbors and all the

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00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: people who agree with them must be living in some

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00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: sort of hallucion. No, they're not, are you talking about?

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00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: Like my dad is a conservative and believes different things

1099
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 3: about the way rich people should be tact I don't

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00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 3: think he's hallucinating. I think he has a series of

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00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: opinions based on a mix of like things propaganda that

1102
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: he's consumed, and what's financially best for him. But that's

1103
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: not a hallucination, you can tell.

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 4: And this MAT's never read a single page of Plato,

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00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 4: David Hume, or Cot and only read the Wikipedia Submary, because.

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: Like when I when I encounter somebody in my community

1107
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: who expresses a racist view or drops a slur, I

1108
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: don't think they're hallucinating. I think they're a shitty person.

1109
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 3: Like that's that, Like there's a there's a difference between

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00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 3: those two things, Like it's it's like saying that, like

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00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: you have to believe if somebody disagrees with your worldview

1112
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 3: that they're engaged in a hallucination. Like for one thing,

1113
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: just a lot of times you encounter people who feel different,

1114
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: Like when I encounter someone who is not a bad

1115
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: person or not expressing anything mean, but is like I

1116
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: don't know a Muslim or a Christian or something else

1117
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: that I'm not. I don't think that they are a

1118
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: Muslim or a Christian or whatever because they're engaged in

1119
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: a mass hallucination. Like I didn't go to India and

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00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: meet a bunch of hind people and go, wow, look

1121
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 3: at all these hallucinating people. Like no, it's just a

1122
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 3: religion that's not my own. That's the way the world is.

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 3: Lots of people believe things I don't. It's like the

1124
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 3: weird way to go about the world, so weird, like

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00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 3: that he believes everyone else thinks this way. Like there's

1126
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: certainly like bigots who think that way, but like I

1127
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: don't know. I've had a lot of conversations with people

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00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 3: of different religions and philosophical stances and political stances and

1129
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: disagreed with them or not just felt the same way,

1130
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 3: and neither of us walked away being like, well, that

1131
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: guy's fucking tripping balls, Like that's such a strange way

1132
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 3: to describe this.

1133
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 4: Anyway. Whatever.

1134
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember when millions of Americans believed President Obama

1135
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: was a secret Muslim? That was a mass illusion? Now,

1136
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: who was pushing that massed illusion? Scott? Was it Donald Trump?

1137
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 3: The master persuader?

1138
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 4: I guess he didn't persuade enough people.

1139
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: No, he didn't persuade Scott. Do you remember when President

1140
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 3: Trump got arrested and there were protests in the street

1141
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 3: because they thought he was the next Hitler? That was

1142
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 3: a mass delusion. He did try to coop the government

1143
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: and put himself in as a dictator Scott.

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00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 4: To me, to be fair, this was what in twenty

1145
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 4: seventeen when this book came out. Yeah, something like that.

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00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but also that is just evidence the people who

1147
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: protested may have caught something that Scott didn't, although I

1148
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: don't think he thinks J six was bad, So it's fine.

1149
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: Do you remember the dot com bubble that was based

1150
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: on mass illusions about the value of money losing startups?

1151
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: Every other financial bubble was also a mass illusion. Well, partly,

1152
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 3: but they were also largely cons like a lot of

1153
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: the people who made money on the dot com bubble

1154
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 3: knew it was going to collapse and very intelligently figured

1155
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 3: out how to make as much money as they could

1156
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: by taking advantage of dumb people, much like people did

1157
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 3: with crypto or every other financial bubble. Like he's only

1158
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: focusing on like the side that's delusion and of the

1159
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 3: side that's bad people trying to take advantage of other

1160
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: people also interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Below is a starter list of more than thirty notable

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Speaker 3: mass delutions. Wikipedia lists over thirty examples of mass hysteria

1164
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: through years.

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 4: Did he say that his quote Wikipedia? In this Wikipedia

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01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 4: and now he's.

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01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: Just like, yeah, he's going through the same he's just

1168
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: dropping the list he found a Honestly, this is extra.

1169
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 4: English Dictionary describes mass solutions.

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Speaker 3: I do have some respect for Scott here because this

1171
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 3: is a really like the next like mini pages of

1172
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: the book are just him like summarizing the Wikipedia entry

1173
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: for mass illusion.

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01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 4: And that's an.

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01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: Easy way to write a book. It's hard to write

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Speaker 3: a book when you do real research.

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Speaker 4: This would get like this would be like like if

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Speaker 4: you're trying to submit this in school, it would be

1179
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 4: like sent back. You're like, no, you have to find

1180
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 4: a real You can't cite Wikipedia. You can't. You can't

1181
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 4: explicitly say I got this list from Wikipedia.

1182
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Uh, it's it's funny anyway. This chunk of

1183
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: the book ends on him saying Trump was wrong to

1184
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 3: call climate change a hoax, but he was also right

1185
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 3: because he called out the Paris Climate Accord and it

1186
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: was expensive for the US and wouldn't lower temperatures. So

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: the fact that Trump said climate change was wrong is

1188
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 3: fine because the Paris Accord was a lie that would

1189
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: have benefited China. That's That's Scott Adams's opinion on the

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Speaker 3: Paris Climate Accord.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he's changed from being a cartoonist into a

1192
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 4: political anist again.

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01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: I'm glad. I love like switching from Scott being like

1194
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: nobody understands politics, which is why I don't give my

1195
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: opinions on politics too. The Paris Climate Accord couldn't lower

1196
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 3: like Scott, I don't know, man like his stands. His

1197
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: argument is that like no one disagrees with it any

1198
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 3: of this, I don't know. I bet they do. Scott,

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Speaker 3: you haven't cited anything here. You just say I agree

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 3: on this, There's there's no citation.

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, side of Wikipedia.

1202
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: He did previously site Wikipedia on a separate topic. Okay,

1203
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: So what do we want to close out on here?

1204
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: Zo? There's so many good ones, Like.

1205
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: I do want to know what isis in the Vatican

1206
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: means oh God, which is what immediately precedes ros O'Donnell i.

1207
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Speaker 4: Also, I also want to briefly look at how to

1208
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 4: design a linguistic kill shot.

1209
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 3: Just oh, you know what I think that this is.

1210
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 3: So this is trump o Trump's Rosio o'donald moment. Okay,

1211
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: so yeah, this is like him explaining how Trump's genius

1212
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 3: strategy of like insulting people works. As the election started

1213
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 3: getting traction in all of our minds in the summer

1214
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: of twenty fifteen, I was experimenting with a new comic

1215
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: that featured a talking robot that never moves, he just

1216
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: reads the news. You can see in this comic that

1217
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 3: I had already noticed Trump's successful use of persuasion that

1218
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: was confusing the prop the public. And this is Robots

1219
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,919
Speaker 3: Read News by Scott Adams, And it is in fact

1220
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: a poorly drawn robot reading the news. Donald Trump keeps

1221
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: saying dumb things because he is so darned dumb, unlike you.

1222
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 3: He is also surging in the polls while putting almost

1223
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 3: no effort into it. So how is smart working out

1224
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: for you? I don't know, man, It does seem like

1225
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: he was constantly touring the country and doing events. I

1226
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: don't think anyone thought he wasn't putting effort into it.

1227
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 3: I guess this is a real own on the people

1228
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: who said that Trump was dumb, which, you know, to

1229
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: be fair, I have always thought was a mistake on

1230
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: behalf of some Democrats.

1231
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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

1232
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: Whatever, Scott, it's not really a joke, but we'll give

1233
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: you that one. So but I didn't know how big

1234
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 3: a deal this was until what I now called the

1235
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: Rosi O'Donnell moment. In the first Republican debate on August sixth,

1236
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. Megan Kelly was moderating, and her first question

1237
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 3: to Trump should have ended his campaign on the spot.

1238
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 3: Only a few people in the world could have escaped

1239
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 3: her trap started.

1240
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, yeah.

1241
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: So what Megan Kelly was like, you call women you

1242
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: don't like fat pigs, slogs or disgusting animals, and Trump

1243
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: said only Rosie o'donald, right or o'donald. Sorry.

1244
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. Uh.

1245
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 3: Scott calls this a master stroke of persuasion executed perfectly

1246
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: in front of the world. He got goosebumps. Oh what

1247
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: the mask? He insulted somebody he like, made a mean joke.

1248
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 3: People do that all the time. I got they don't

1249
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 3: usually do it while running for president, but they do

1250
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 3: it all the time.

1251
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 4: I like that. I guess Scott describes this as like

1252
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 4: as like a transcendent experience for him.

1253
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's like full body orgasming over Donald Trump

1254
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 3: making a mean comment about Rosio Donald thinking of his joke. Yeah,

1255
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 3: it's uh, it's it's it's fun. So yeah, that's Trump's

1256
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: weapons grade persuasion is insulting Rosy o'donald during an interview

1257
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: with Megan Kell, an interview largely made for people who

1258
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: were already voting for him, that I don't know if

1259
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 3: I think actually convinced anybody of anything, but you know, again,

1260
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 3: there's always like pieces of accuracy here. Yeah. One of

1261
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: the things about Trump's political strategy was effective was that

1262
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 3: he didn't do the normal thing of like apologizing and

1263
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: backtracking when criticized, which is you know, effective. It allows

1264
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: you to spend less time dealing with like the the

1265
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: critiques of your of your political opponents. It's again also

1266
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 3: a pretty well worn political strategy, particularly for authoritarians. It's

1267
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 3: not wildly new, but there you go. That's that's Scott

1268
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 3: Adams explaining how Trump persuaded America by calling Rose O'Donnell fat,

1269
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 3: a thing no no other comedian had ever done before.

1270
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: I think that multiple South Park episodes never did.

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Speaker 4: Oh there, there is there is an index at the

1272
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 4: very end of the book that I have access to.

1273
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 4: They they cite black Swan, So that's good. That's it's good. Yeah,

1274
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: he's index. Yeah, is a mix to the back. He

1275
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 4: cites Delvert one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

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01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 4: thirty forty. He sites Delbert fourteen times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense.

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 4: He cites Donald Duck and trying to swap back to back.

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01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 4: That's good. The KKKA has a few shoutouts. The last

1280
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 4: thing I do want to see is, let me is

1281
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 4: is the how to design a linguistic kill shop? Because

1282
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 4: I think we should at least give listeners one piece

1283
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 4: of actionable advice.

1284
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they can do that so that you can

1285
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 3: keep a linguistic kill shop loaded up, and can somebody

1286
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: like mugs you on the street.

1287
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 4: You can conceal carry it actually fairly easily shoulder. That's

1288
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: on page one. Okay.

1289
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Speaker 3: Over the course of the election, we saw Trump assign

1290
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: one sticky nickname after another to his opponents. It seems

1291
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: as if each new nickname was a winner. Clinton's team

1292
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: tried a few nicknames for Trump, but they failed badly.

1293
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 3: None of this is a coincidence. Trump's nicknames are deeply engineered,

1294
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: and they were tested in front of life audiences. And

1295
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 3: then he goes and like, I do think actually, if

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01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: you're looking at like, what are things that Trump did

1297
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: that made him a successful campaigner? His ability to like,

1298
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: that's part of why I don't think that Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 3: has any chance of beating him.

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Speaker 4: Is putting putting her on?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, putting her on, and then it's over. Then it's done. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So let's let's let's let's give him here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's also like the most obvious tactic that he engages in.

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Speaker 4: But here we go.

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Speaker 3: Wow, he has two Elizabeth Warren nicknames on here.

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Speaker 4: Oh, No, that's good. I bet you. I bet they's

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Speaker 4: somehow racist.

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Speaker 3: It is interesting he doesn't have any of his nicknames

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Speaker 3: for Biden on here, maybe because against Biden.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Biden was not a big player in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Anna, I think you're right. Uh yeah, if you

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Speaker 3: thought the names were nothing more than common insults, you

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Speaker 3: missed a lot of his persuasion engineering. I'll walk you

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Speaker 3: through it in this chapter. How powerful were Trump's nicknames?

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Speaker 3: So powerful that the day I heard Trump say low energy,

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Speaker 3: Jeb I predicted Bush was done and blogged that opinion

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Speaker 3: in August twenty seventh. Keep in mind that literally no

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Speaker 3: other pundits saw this nickname as important to the like

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Speaker 3: now that lady is true, but also everyone who saw

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Speaker 3: from the moment I saw Jeb Bush on the fucking

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Speaker 3: debate stage, I said, well, this is a guy who

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Speaker 3: can't be president. He was like everyone knew, he was pitiful.

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Speaker 3: I liked there were some I like that he raims.

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Speaker 4: I like I like that he frames like listening to

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Speaker 4: Trump as like reading tarot carts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is interesting because again, there's a reasonable case

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Speaker 3: to be made for talking about the way in which

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Speaker 3: Trump uses insults and mockery as a political strategy, but

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Speaker 3: like being like, and that's why Jim Bush isn't the president. No,

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Speaker 3: Jeb Bush is the president because he was never going

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Speaker 3: to be the president. That was never in the cars

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Speaker 3: because he is jib Bush. It's that's that's so funny.

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Speaker 4: Uh uh.

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Speaker 3: He just talks about why the nicknames are accurate nicknames. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that's that's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Do you want him to read him analyzing lion Ted

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Speaker 3: for three pages?

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Speaker 4: He does. He does a three page analysis of lying

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Speaker 4: Ted lying Ted?

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Speaker 3: What does include the sentence lion Ted simply looked like

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Speaker 3: a liar. Look, he's not always wrong. And I saw

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Speaker 3: Ted Cruz, I was like, that guy is a liar.

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Speaker 4: I like him. We can always turn to Scott Adams

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Speaker 4: for this cutting edge political analysis.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, it's it's also funny. Like part of what's

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Speaker 3: fun about these nicknames isn't that like they're they're super complex,

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Speaker 3: and it isn't that they engineer opinion. It's that it's

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Speaker 3: so easy to like cut people who are kind of

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Speaker 3: obsessed with the like playing at being at the politests

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Speaker 3: of like a political etiquette and just being a dick

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Speaker 3: is powerful, right, if you're playing a different game than

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Speaker 3: everyone else. Yeah, that's powerful, but also like it only

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Speaker 3: worked the one time. He tried all of this again

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, and he lost by the most that

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Speaker 3: any president has ever lost in terms of like like

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Speaker 3: actual votes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm at the end of the book now. I

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Speaker 4: just found I just found three amazing, amazing things back

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Speaker 4: to back. So at the very end, after the acknowledgments,

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Speaker 4: there is there's like four appendixes, but the first three

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Speaker 4: are the ones that I think are really interesting. The

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Speaker 4: first one is the Persuasion Reading List, which might have

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Speaker 4: some really funny finds. At the end, there's also the

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Speaker 4: Appendix B is how to be a better writer. It's

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Speaker 4: two pages long. And then Appendix C is how to

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Speaker 4: find out if you are in a simulation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was looking at that just a second ago.

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Speaker 4: So you can first of all, get a get get

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Speaker 4: a list of books to read, become a become a

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Speaker 4: better writer, and then find out if you're living in

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Speaker 4: a computer. All within the span of seven fass.

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Speaker 3: Ikun approached writing a fucking non fiction book, I think,

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Speaker 3: and I think he literally Appendix C is just one

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Speaker 3: of his old blog posts that he's quoting, he talks about,

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Speaker 3: he talks about simulation theory. Man, oh god, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: not interested in anything less than I am fucking brained

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Speaker 3: idiots talking about the theory that we live in a simulation.

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Speaker 3: Uh you know what's simulated, your fucking dick, Scott, this podcast,

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Speaker 3: your weird.

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Speaker 4: Penis is a simulation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's That's what I gotta say.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I think I think you should find

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Speaker 4: one book on on the reading list that we should recommend,

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Speaker 4: and then give one one writing tip via Scott Adams,

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Speaker 4: and then we can call it a day. Okay.

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Speaker 3: His writing tip is to write whatever you're writing the

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Speaker 3: way Trump writes things, because are you writer?

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Speaker 4: Are you serious? Yes? Trump's not a good writer.

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Speaker 3: I think there is like a difference between like Trump

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Speaker 3: was effective at a good ship poster on Twitter and

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Speaker 3: Trump was objectively a great ship.

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Speaker 4: Post yea, but not on purpose.

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Speaker 3: I don't know we can debate that. But also I

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Speaker 3: don't think like it's kind of like saying like how

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Speaker 3: to be a better right now, how to be a

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Speaker 3: better poster on Twitter? Like I would take you can

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Speaker 3: take you can take Donald Trump's advice on that writing

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Speaker 3: is a little bit wider of a discipline, and you

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01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 3: might wind up having some difficulty if you if you

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Speaker 3: try to take the Donald Trump approach to I don't know,

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01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: becoming an editor on Wikipedia so that Scott Adams will

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Speaker 3: appreciate your work. Nothing against Wikipedia, it's just funny that

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01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: that's the only source he's cited other than Plato. Okay,

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Speaker 3: here's some other advice that he has. Uh, your first

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 3: sentence needs to grab the reader. Go back and read

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01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 3: my first sentence in this post. I rewrote it a

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Speaker 3: dozen times. It makes you curious.

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Speaker 4: That's the key.

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Speaker 3: His first sentence is good writing is also persuasive writing.

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Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, Scott, that's the dry shit I've ever heard.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: So for his his on his persuasion reading list, I

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 3: accidentally wound up on this, but it includes how to

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01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 3: Hypnotize Anyone, Confessions of a Rogue Hypnotist, and then in brackets,

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Speaker 3: I have not read this book, but what it probably

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Speaker 3: gives you a good taste of the topic.

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Speaker 4: That's so funny. He's recommending a book he hasn't read

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Speaker 4: and he admits it. Yeah, he didn't even read reading list.

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Speaker 4: It's probably a good idea. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: He admits there's a Tony Robbins book on here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Trump The Art of the Deal, of course, Yeah, tells

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Speaker 3: you to take a fucking Dale Carnegie class.

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Speaker 4: Uh great, Yeah, that that tracks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. So yeah, I think that's that's a

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Speaker 3: good look at Scott Adams's book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I think I think that is a

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Speaker 4: that is a decent a decent dive into the mind

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Speaker 4: of Scott Adams.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready to go into the world now, Garrison

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Speaker 3: and become a master persuader?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be working on my I think,

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Speaker 4: I I think if I get I mean organ does

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 4: not have the does not have the round capacity limit yet,

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Speaker 4: because I'm trying to figure out how many linguistic kill

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Speaker 4: shots I'm allowed to carry with me at at any

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Speaker 4: point in time.

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Speaker 3: But once Yeah, yes, I think you can still have

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Speaker 3: thirty linguistic kills loaded and in violation of state law.

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Speaker 4: So I'll spend it. I'll spend it. I'll spend a

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Speaker 4: few hours coming up with those so I can just

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Speaker 4: have them at the ready. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna call people low energy, Jeb, even if

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Speaker 3: they're not named.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: That was the that that that was pretty funny. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so uh yeah, that's uh, that's our man.

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Speaker 1: Garrison, you would like to plug.

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Speaker 4: I guess the one thing I could plug is I

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Speaker 4: recently on It could Happen Here, I finished a shocking

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Speaker 4: five episodes worth of content about about the the last

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Speaker 4: week of action in Atlanta to stop cop City. I

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Speaker 4: believe we should have that put into a compilation as

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Speaker 4: well by now. But yeah, that that is. That is

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Speaker 4: on the you could Happen Here feed for the last

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Speaker 4: week of action. And uh, I mean as of as

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Speaker 4: of recording, the the city council process to to approve

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Speaker 4: the funding for that is ongoing. There's been there was

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Speaker 4: like five hundred people showing up I think like just

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Speaker 4: like two days ago as of time of recording to

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Speaker 4: give public comment. And that's that process is gonna last

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Speaker 4: a few more weeks, so we will see, we will

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Speaker 4: see how how that goes. You can you can keep

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Speaker 4: up to date with that with the with the Atlantic

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Speaker 4: Community Press Collective. So yeah, that is that is it?

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Speaker 3: Excellent? Well you can find me, yeah we can mm hmmm.

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