1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephan. 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: I never told your protection of I Heart Radio. I'm 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: gonna bix things up today, all right, all right, and 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask a question, or I could, 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: but it would be a very if we would be 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: having to act, because we actually already discussed this in depth. 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: But um, we recently learned Samantha and I both lovers 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: of horror movies. We love very different types of horror movies, 9 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: so today we're talking about a specific genre. Would you say, 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: what is your favorite genre of horror movies? So, I 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: guess it is a question after so I think my 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: favorite and I've told you those. I do love haunting 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: movies and possession movies, so things like Insidious is up 14 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: in my likes and uh, one of my favorite ones, 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: I guess I like. See, I just recently watched the 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: Paranormal Activity. Those are newer than those are newer to me. 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: So I watched the trilogy and I did not realize 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: they were all interconnected because I think I watched one 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: of the really newer ones that aren't. Yeah there's yeah, um, 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: so I like those. I do like the pop scars 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, things are happening. What's happening? Kind 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: of unknown, but it's also kind of silly to me. 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: So I do love like the insidious. I do like 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: when John wu stuff. Typically he also expands to like 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: ten thousand different movies. But I don't love slasher movies. 26 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: That's probably one of my least favorites. And I do 27 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: love the psychological thrillers like The Strangers. That stuff breaks 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: me out, but I do love it. What about you? Yeah, 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: I definitely I love super natural horror movies, and I 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: love I mean, my my favorite hord movie all the time. 31 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: It's an extorcist, which I find interesting because I'm not 32 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: religious at all, but I think those trope like we 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: can all connect with those things. Um. And then I 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: I do like found footage, and I actually have a list. 35 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: I made a list during Quarantine when people ask me 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: like what movies should I watch? And I have this 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: list I've just been sending out and there's a section 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: on horror and I was looking through it. And I 39 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: apparently also like just weird, really strange, like time travel 40 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: horror movies or UM. I like trying to figure out 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: the puzzle of like oh, well, oh, how did this happen? 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: And when did this happen? And it might not even 43 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: make sense, and I just like it. Um Yeah, I 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: like I like a strange like a strange time travel 45 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: horror movie or just something really visually interesting. But I 46 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen, um, but what we're talking about today, Like, 47 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of what you have, Samantha, 48 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: when it comes to psychological thrillers or what we're talking 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: about today, which is a whole trope that I didn't 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: even know existed. I was certainly like realized it was 51 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: a thing, I just didn't know how to nate to it, right. 52 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: I think when I discovered the name, I sent you 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: a text and you're like, oh God, Like we both 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: were like, this is the name of the trope when 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: knowing that it existed, but we didn't know what the 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: title was, right right? Um? So yeah. To keep up 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: with our love of Halloween in this month of October, uh, 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about the horror movie trope of 59 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Psycho bitch Girl. Right, Psycho bitch Girl, crazy bitch Girl, 60 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: crazy woman, like any of those, but specifically Psycho bitch 61 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Girl and m trigger warning. This is definitely just a 62 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: look at the trope and the stereotypes, and a lot 63 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: of the conversation is gonna be around dated movies that 64 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: have not aged well. So we'll go ahead and put 65 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: that as a big caveat a lot of this if 66 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: you look back on your like a holy crap, what 67 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: were they thinking. Um, we will mention, but don't get 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: into it too much about assault, death and mental health issues. 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: So I know you and I actually talked about that 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: fact that possible you don't watch any of these because 71 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: it is heavily reliant on those types of tropes and 72 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: those types of stereotypes, and it can be triggering for 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially I know when we talked 74 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: about and we'll talk a little more about revenge films, 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: it has to have some kind of big traumatic beginning 76 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: in order to like push the story forward. So it 77 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of does that same thing and it's yeah, it 78 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: gets it gets in there. So we're gonna talk a 79 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: little bit about those movies. Just a heads up, yeah, 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: and also just a heads up, like as the trope's 81 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: name should tell you, a lot of this is offensive 82 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: and multiple ways, right right, Um, Yeah, but we're definitely 83 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: gonna talk about that more. But I want to go 84 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: ahead and say that, right, we'll get mad at us 85 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: for the title. We're not saying we approve of it. 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: It's just it isn't say as I say. Um. So, 87 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: if we look at movies like Fatal Attraction, Gone Girl, 88 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: or The Audition, there is a perpetual idea that women, 89 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: especially x is um are crazy. Of course, and again 90 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: like we know, I know it's uh not PC to 91 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: use that word, but this is like the drope um 92 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,559 Speaker 1: and yeah, so yeah, I broke up with her because 93 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: they are crazy that sort of idea, um, And yeah, 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: we we see this all the time, and it's it's 95 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: upsetting how accepted it is, Like it's okay to say that. 96 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: So today people use that today and everybody just kind 97 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: of like, really, it's two thousand twenties and stop it. Yeah, 98 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: And it is very difficult to talk about the horror 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: genre without talking about thriller psychological genre or erotic thriller um, 100 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: which does include like soccer girl, over zealous fan girls, 101 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: and even overly obsessive mothers. So yeah, just brace yourself. 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: All of that's coming. Um. And we did. Hey, I'm 103 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: holding to some of our older traditions. Want to define 104 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: what some say, psychobitic giral means and according to one 105 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Urban Dictionary definition, it is a woman who's horble. It's 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: not a type of I'm not mispronouncing that. Apparently this 107 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: means normal for wore behaviors. Again according to Urban Dictionary, 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what, um, and this is an imbalanced 109 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: troublesome upbringing or a current brain chemistry renders her irrational, 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: angry and prone to acts of violence. For example, this dude, 111 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this, dude, because the way they wrote 112 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: it was very specific in this example of like throwing 113 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: my thirty screen HDTV through the window. I don't know 114 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: why that was the example, but apparently that is the 115 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: example of psycho bitch girl. Yeah, yeah, I and I 116 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this, I keep thinking about 117 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about this, but like how 118 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: a lot of times these movies don't get me wrong, 119 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the woman in them is doing things, they violent things 120 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 1: or whatever, but the man still has usually done something 121 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: pretty badly as well. Um, but you know it's, oh, 122 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 1: she threw my TV out the window because she found 123 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: out I actually have a wife and I've been lying 124 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: to or whatever. You know, we sort of forget that 125 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: part um and also, and I want to revisit this 126 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: maybe towards the end. I would just keep in mind 127 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: as we're talking about these, like imagine the roles are flipped, 128 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: or imagine that the like man is the stalker. I 129 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: feel like that has such a different vibe. It's much 130 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: more threatening in a physical way as opposed to I 131 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: feel like with a lot of these we're talking about 132 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: today with women, it's much more threatening in a sexual 133 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: she's in balanced in way. And if you actually look 134 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: at and we will look at a deeper a majority 135 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: of these uh psycho bitch tropes, the anger is pointed 136 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: to another woman. Yeah. Again to remember, I was trying 137 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: to remember the Beyonce wasn't Yes, and we don't talk 138 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: about that movie, but that's definitely came up as a 139 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: of an example as well. Yes, yes, Um, So I 140 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: would just keep all those things in mind and we 141 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: go over some of these examples. All right, So the 142 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: first movie we wanted to talk about we've mentioned above 143 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: is Fatal Attraction. I feel like this is the iconic 144 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: standard when it comes to erotic thrillers. In psycho bit Stroke, 145 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: which by the way, every single article mentions Fatal attraction 146 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: that I looked at, probably again one of the best 147 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: known movies for this. In this ven film, we have 148 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: main character Dan Gallagher played by Michael Douglas, who was 149 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: inseveral of these types of movies, by the way, who 150 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: has an illicit affair with Alex Forrester played by Glenn Close. 151 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: So if you're like any and haven't seen this film, 152 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: a quick rundown, they have an affair. He pretty much 153 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: drops her. She starts doing things like stalking, taking up pregnancy, 154 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: boiling a rabbit, kidnapping, and trying to kill the wife 155 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: because all that she wants is to have a baby 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: with Dan, and of course the family que Asa based 157 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: music which Annie also doesn't No, Nope, I sang this 158 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: tour not too long agos, like you never heard this movie. 159 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean the song you've never heard this song that 160 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: was very sad. So after trying to kill the wife, 161 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: she gets shot by the wife and everything is hunky door. 162 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Though according to reports and interviews with Glenn Close, the 163 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: original intent was to show the callousness of dance, dismissal 164 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: of his mistress, and the breakdown of Alex's life in psychopathy, 165 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: but it later was dwindled down to showing how quote 166 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: crazy and over the top Alex was and made Dan 167 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: more of the victim. Yeah and yeah, I haven't seen 168 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: this movie. Um, I didn't know that his wife killed 169 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: and you're right, that is a very he didn't even 170 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: take responsibility and heavy quotes yeah, even their whole time 171 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: together at the very beginning. The premise of the movie 172 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: is that he understands it as a one nice stand. 173 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: She obviously understands it as a one night stand, but 174 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: she refused to let it go. Oh oh, that always 175 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: annoys me when it's like, it can't be that you 176 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: miscommunicated to might change her mind, and now she wants kids. 177 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've got to get out of here. 178 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: This is a little crazy bit. I want to sleep 179 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: with you, would leave you? I don't understand. Yeah, throwing 180 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: around that crazy bitch as just to dismiss that a 181 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: woman could have legitimate emotions or change her mind or 182 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: want something that you don't want and maybe mis misrepresented 183 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: all that to say, I don't think Glenn clubs. I 184 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen this movie. I'm not justifying her actions. I'm 185 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: just saying it's interesting the way that comes up a 186 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: lot in non murderous situations. So back to another Uh, 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: we have been talking about Stephen Kigg a lot like 188 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: so Misery. We're talking about Misery, which I've never seen, 189 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: but I have read the book. Um, and this is 190 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: yeah Stephen King classic. Um. Apparently Stephen King proclaimed it 191 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: to be one of his face he adaptions of his 192 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: books for film, and right now it's the only one 193 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: to win an oscar thanks to the incredible performance by 194 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: Kathy Bates. So for a quick rundown of this one, 195 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: we have romance author Paul Sheldon played by James Khan 196 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: and Annie Wilkes played by Kathy Bates, a seemingly kind 197 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: nurse who finds Paul after a car accident which he 198 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: has broken his legs and dislocated his shoulders. She brings 199 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: him to her home under the guys that she is 200 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: a good Samaritan She's going to nurse him back to health. 201 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: She then proceeds to let him know that she is 202 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: his quote number one fan and due to her kindness, 203 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: he allows her to read the newest manuscript for his 204 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: popular series based on his character Misery Chastain. Unfortunately, though 205 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: for him, she hates the ending and all those bad 206 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: stuff ensue. And I know I've said this before, but 207 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: I feel like every Stephen King book is about Stephen King. 208 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: One way, this is a fear that he Well, he 209 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: said that when he wrote this, he got the inspiration 210 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: when he fell asleep on the plane and ILike, I 211 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: think he had been met by someone about how much 212 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: they liked the book or something, and he fell asleep 213 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: on the plane and this is his dream of what 214 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: had could have happened. Wow. Well, lucky for him it 215 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: didn't because bare you know A and he incapivates his character, 216 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: um demands a new book in which he brings misery 217 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: back to life. This is what fan fiction is for. 218 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: You can do it yourself. But anyway, we see the 219 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: overall levels she's willing to go to save her favorite character, 220 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: everything from drugging him, breaking his ankles, killing a police officer. 221 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: After complying and writing a new book, he tricks her 222 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: into a celebration where a violent struggle occurs and he 223 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: bashes her head in and makes an escape. Uh. This 224 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: movie does show a little struggle of the overall trauma 225 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: he has gone through with the postcene of him being 226 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: triggered UM. So that does add a bit of depth 227 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: to his care Arcter. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. 228 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm like he wanted to put this again kind of 229 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: like himself about Oh, you know, these are the traumas 230 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: that these people when they do this, when they go 231 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: beyond this, when they demand this, And it could be 232 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: this whole story of ownership once you give to your 233 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: the audience, who now owns this book or who now 234 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: owns this content? And that's a whole other conversation we've had. 235 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: But yes, of course this homely sweet nurse ends up 236 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: losing it and uh has to die for it in 237 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: the end. Well that's interesting too, because I was imagining 238 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: if if it's a female writer, a woman writer, and 239 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: a man tormentor, it just becomes it's less about breaking 240 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: gender norms, which is troubling in itself because like it's 241 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: still scary and it's still bad, but it doesn't feel 242 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: as like weird. And that's part of the reason what 243 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: our authors do this intentionally, I would imagine a lot 244 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: of the time is you don't suspect that an older 245 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: woman will do this kind nurse woman, which, yeah, it's 246 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: kind of troubling that I guess we've sort of held 247 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: up our hands and said, yeah, man can be aggressive 248 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: and that's not so out of the norm of reality. 249 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: But for women, they're crazy. They're crazy, bitch, and please 250 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: now keep saying this, but it's the whole again. Yes, 251 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: and we we are going to talk about that. And 252 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: another movie which I actually forgot about until I started researching, 253 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: This is the Hand that Rocks the Cradle Um, which 254 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: was released in n and plays on so many tropes 255 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: and had a lot of mixed reviews and one article 256 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: the critics stated this movie was a movie that asked 257 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: the audience quote not to think, but to react, which 258 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: the critics said was difficult even for the current time 259 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: frame in the nineties. So the plot, it all begins 260 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: with the main character, Claire Bartel, who was pregnant with 261 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: her second child, going to a new obstetrition where she's 262 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: molested by the doctor, Dr mott Um. After she reports 263 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: him to the police, several other women coming forward ledging 264 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: the same type of abuse. He then shoots himself rather 265 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: than getting arrested, leaving behind his wife, Mrs mott played 266 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: by Rebecca the Morning, who was pregnant at the time. 267 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: After losing everything due to the incident, Mrs Mott loses 268 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: the baby as well. She then proceeds to plan her 269 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: revenge against the main accuser, Claire bartell Um. At this 270 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: point she gets hired by Claire as a nanny under 271 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: a pseudonym of course. Uh. And when she then tries 272 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: to ruin Claire's family and her life of manipulating the 273 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: older daughter and turning her against her family, breastfeeding the 274 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: newborn causing it to imprint is that how they said it? 275 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: On her um, and trying to seduce a husband, which 276 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: doesn't work because you know he's a great guy, and 277 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: then by killing her best friend, who by the way 278 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: is Julianna Moore. Yeah. I was like, oh, they realized 279 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: she was in this movie, um because she was figuring 280 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: it out. So if you haven't already guessed it, yes, 281 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: dear Mrs Mott gets killed, um acts identally by the 282 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: wife who figures everything out, and that's the end of that, 283 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: and that's the end of the movie, and then the 284 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: family list happily ever after. So it just has this 285 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: like whole level like victim blaming, sexual assault, like this 286 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: whole fear of losing babies and having babies and taking families. 287 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: It's kind a lot in there and you kind of 288 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: like sit there and it's been a very long time 289 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: since I've seen it, but they have this whole like 290 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: plague of like these are the thanks you are trying 291 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: to be afraid of, and this is what happens to 292 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: motherhood and lots of things, and you need to be 293 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: careful what you say. It is a very weird kind 294 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: of mixed ideas, And like I said, there was a 295 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: lot of mixed reviews of like is this a good movie? 296 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: Is this a bead? What's happening? But Rebecca de Morny's 297 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: performance was actually amazing and very frightening. So she did 298 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: a good job on that one. Yeah, I haven't seen that, 299 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: but intriguing. Um, I haven't. Okay, we're about to talk 300 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: about what I haven't seen, but I feel like I've 301 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: seen and that is a single white feeding. Everybody feels 302 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: that way. Yes, So this one is a bit of 303 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: a flip um because it's more of an erotic thriller 304 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: with hom erotic overtones. So we have Hettie I'm gonna 305 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: go with Eddie played by Jennifer Jason Lee and Ali 306 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: played by Bridget Fonda. Um, and yes, there are a 307 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of pop cultural references made in regards to this film, 308 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: so it's definitely worth talking about. UM. Here we see 309 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: a different take um As, where it's not just a 310 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: look at the fears women have and the herring tells 311 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: of marital transgression, but a possible cautionary tale of female 312 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: independence as well as sisterhood, or, as one article says, 313 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: also a story that has a lesbian phobic lair. And 314 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: I would definitely definitely agree with that, even not having 315 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: seen it. Um. I've seen clips of it, and I 316 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: remember when I was in college, I was telling Samantha, like, 317 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: I just have this really funny story where my one 318 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: of my best friends, um, because this was my first 319 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 1: year of college, right, and you're making a bunch of 320 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: new friends. And it so happened that she ended up 321 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: in a dorm where she I was best friends with 322 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 1: all of her roommates, and I ended up in a 323 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: dorm where she was best friend of all all my roommates. 324 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: And there was just sort of this tension. There was 325 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: this weird thing there because we both understood it, but 326 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: we never really talked about it. And we used to 327 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: joke about, like, don't single white female trying to replace me. Um. 328 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: But okay, back to the movie. Here we see a 329 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: very traumatized woman, Hetty, who's twin sister drowned at the 330 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: age of nine, um, coming into Ali's life, who, after 331 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: finding out her fiance had cheated on her and then 332 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: um being professionally and sexually taken advantage of by a 333 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: rich man, needed to find a new roommate. Single white 334 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: female enter Hetty, who slowly changes her physical appearance to 335 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: mimic Alley's as well as impersoning her at different locations 336 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and overall trying to become her. We quickly see things 337 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: unravel and Hetty is trying to control and manipulate Ali 338 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: by hiding things from her as well as impersonating her, 339 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: which eventually leads to Hetty killing at several people and 340 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: trying to get Ali to take her own life as well. Um. 341 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: The boyfriend's death scene includes a stiletto. Yeah. This is 342 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of I remember because it became an iconic thing 343 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: where people were like, oh my god, how do you 344 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: kill some more with that? Yeah, she uses stiletto to 345 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: kill the boyfriend. Of course. Um, if you're gonna wear stilettos, 346 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: we always make it a weapon. Um. After the death 347 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: of Hetty, we see a little more depth with Alie 348 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: sympathizing with Hetty and stating that part of Hetty, whose 349 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: real name we find out is Ellen, of her issues 350 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: that she had survivor's scale from death of a twin 351 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: which caused that type of trauma. And the more we talked, 352 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: like the more I researched it, the more I looked 353 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: at it, Yeah, there was this whole overall. This is 354 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: why this movie is very problematic. They love Cayman, but 355 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: really we're afraid of lesbians and here are these things 356 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: and is As have this whole thing, and we're gonna 357 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: talk about that a little deeper, the sexualization within these movies. 358 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: But it's interesting to get really into, like, yeah, what 359 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm just wrong with people? Yeah, during this time period, 360 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: I feel like there was a lot and it still happens, 361 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: for sure, but I feel like there was a glut 362 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: of like lesbian phobic, biphobic messaging or I mean it's 363 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: still phobic, but like I can turn her like this 364 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: like chasing Amy type of thing, but definitely. And it 365 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 1: was a comedy as well as horror, So it's one 366 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: or the other that has made fun of or being 367 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: straight of and we're gonna talk about that a little more. 368 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: But it is interesting to know this is one of 369 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: those movies that they talk about. Um. And then another 370 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: movie which I don't think I've ever actually watched. I 371 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: just remember hearing a lot of it. You've actually seen 372 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: this one, huh, which is a Gone Girl. It's not 373 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: necessarily a horror, but it is a psychological thriller and 374 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: trying to like piece together what's happening. Um. But again, 375 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: I didn't want to mention it because this also reversed 376 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: the trope a little bit from wife being the victim 377 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: to wife being the mastermind and being a psycho bitch 378 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: character instead of the innocent that's just walking and watching 379 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: it or being victimized by the psycho bitch. For the plot, 380 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: we see the picture of perfect couple which comes crumbling 381 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: down as Amy played by Roseman Pike uh Pierce missing 382 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: and a case is open due to her disappearance and 383 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: possible death. All the while, Nick played by Ben Affleck, 384 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: is trying to prove his innocence as evidence starts to 385 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: mount against him and he's suspected of foul play. Here, 386 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: we see things unravel from flashbacks of the relationship to 387 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: his eventual cheating of course. Uh. And then we are 388 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: included in as Nick tries to get answers that Amy 389 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: has been plotting against him in order to punish him 390 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: for his misdis including framing him for her own murder 391 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: and accusing him of assault and abuse. It eventually falls 392 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: apart and she returns home, blaming an X for all 393 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: of the events. Also, they remained together as she is 394 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: artificially inseminated herself with nick sperm and is now pregnant 395 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: with his baby, and they remained together unhappily ever after. 396 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Oh it is interesting because she yeah, she goes from 397 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: all she's the victim and we're trying to figure out 398 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: this mystery to know she did it because he was 399 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: a terrible husband essentially um. But it does show. It's 400 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: one of the few examples on here, I think where 401 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: it's like, you don't ever they're both almost equally guilty. 402 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: I know some people would be mad at me for 403 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: saying that, because clearly she did kill Um, but but 404 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: I mean that in terms of how we are the 405 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: viewer is like, it's not like they're like, look, Nick 406 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: is so perfect, and she's clearly crisy um. And then 407 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: in the end he's sort of complicit like that. It's 408 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: it's hard to describe, I guess, but um. This also 409 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: this movie is one of the funniest meetings I've ever 410 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: had in my life. Was when this just came out 411 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: and we were talking about um, because you know that 412 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: it was like you can see Ben Affleck's penis if 413 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: you positive at the right spot. And we were talking 414 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: about this and one of our coworkers, Matt, who some 415 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: of you might know from other podcasts we do but 416 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: is like the sweetest, literal, sweetest person I know. Um, 417 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: he was looking around at as kind of confusedly and 418 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: then he said, wait, are we talking about his dog 419 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: right now? Yep? Oh, it was so funny. And then 420 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: we had somebody on the phone and he like it 421 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: was like everybody shut up, and he was like, hey, hey, 422 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Tyler on the phone, they're talking about Ben Affleck's dog. Yeah. Sorry. 423 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, So here in this example we see the 424 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Psycho Bitch Show being used as a payback revenge con 425 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: that makes the adulter pay not by the jilted lover 426 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: but by the angry wife. Um. There is a lot 427 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: of debate of whether or not. This character is another 428 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: stereotype of an angry bitch who lies about being assaulted 429 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: and manipulate lative and the poor husband is the victim. 430 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: Once again, this this also comes up. This was one 431 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: of the first times I heard cool girl because she 432 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: has a whole monologue about being the cool girl. Um, 433 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: it does seem to be portrayed differently in the book. 434 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: I read the book, but I can't recall um that anyway, 435 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: which you see the male character being a lot more 436 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: misogynistic than in the movie. I do think I did 437 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: like him better in the movie. But anyway, but her 438 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: overall callousness and evil does seem to ask her sympathy 439 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: um for the poor fool fore dope partrayed by bid Afflet. 440 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he does seem to have that clueless face. 441 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: I do remember seeing the scenes and he just has 442 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: a clueless face the entirety of the movie. So that's 443 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: pretty much this whole role in that is just looking 444 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: confused and like realizing he's screwed. Um and yes, are 445 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: so any other examples, especially in the nineties. Maybe that's 446 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: why I know so much about them. This is my era, 447 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: and because it's just such a big theme at that point, 448 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: which includes Basic Instinct, which has that big seduction scene 449 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: we know of with Sharon Stone and Michael Douglas, and 450 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: of course the icicles. So I don't know if you've 451 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: bet well that's how she murdered people. It was an 452 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: ice pick. I think it was an ice pick. I 453 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: think I got that one. Okay. I was like, Icycle 454 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: would have been so much smarter. It just melts away 455 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: trying to remember that. Right y'all, listeners tell me, I'm 456 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: not gonna look this up up rather that you tell 457 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: me if you actually saw this movie. I can't quite remember. 458 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: There's the ice pick or an icicle. Um. And then 459 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: The Crush, which is a movie about a teenage crush 460 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: going wrong with Alicia Silverstone and Carrie Always Uh. Someone 461 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: had actually written a whole article about it and how 462 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: much they loved her character, just because they were talking 463 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: about how as a fourteen year old, how much do 464 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: you have to love and how much confidence do you 465 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: have in in yourself that you would just go after 466 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: people like that? And I was like, okay, okay, but 467 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: a kind of a turn um um. And man, just 468 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: seems women are wanting sex makes them crazy. That seems 469 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: like that's the theme here. If women want sex or 470 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: if women have sex, it makes them crazy according to 471 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: all these movies, and and of course we wanna talk 472 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: a little more about that. But yeah, definitely is this 473 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: theme that goes throughout and speaking of themes, we are 474 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: not done with this, oh no. But first we have 475 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: a quick break for a word from our sponsor and 476 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: we're back, Thank you sponsor. So yeah, well, we were researching. 477 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: Um we did find a few honorable mentions I guess 478 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: not uh necessarily the main characters who were seen as 479 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: the psychopathic girl or girlfriend. Um, so we wanted to 480 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: go over a handful of those, right, um, And honestly 481 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: this one talk to me and I wanted to talk 482 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: about it with you a little bit. But in Harry 483 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: Potter they actually they actually named Belitrick's Uh yeah, yes, 484 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: you could consider definitely a psychopath at evil. But because 485 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: it's fantasy, you know, like children's fantasy. On top of that, 486 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: I didn't see that as much is not what you 487 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: typically think. Um. Also, she wasn't anybody's partner necessarily, like 488 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: she was a doting like servant more than anything else. 489 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? Well, I'm assuming 490 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: that this all comes from the Cursed Child. What it 491 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: is spoiler alerts anybody who doesn't want to know. Yeah, 492 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: she is with Baltimore and Cursed Child, and she's like 493 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: so desperate to be with him and to serve him 494 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: and um give him whatever he wants. That she sires 495 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: his child, um, so that he can have an air 496 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: even though he was like, but doesn't he think he's 497 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: never gonna die? Um? I thought he was dead? He 498 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: is he there's flashbacks, there's like a whole time traffic 499 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: thing and most okay, all right, Yeah, so that would 500 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: make a lot more sense because I was like, what 501 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: she's not They did such a great job in the 502 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: movies and the books before. Yes, I'm very sad about 503 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: talking about this a little, you know, at tricks on 504 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: this one. Yes, this has been tainted for me, But 505 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: that to put them in such a not like it's 506 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: not sexual, Yeah that I didn't think of it that way, 507 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. I mean there's certainly, and I might 508 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: be ruined by all of my reading a fan fiction, 509 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: but if all of my reading a fan fiction is correct, 510 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: and you all know I don't look for romance. A 511 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 1: lot of people did interpret her relationship as borderline, at 512 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: least borderline. I guess it's almost like worshiping someone so 513 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: much that if he had said we're together, she would 514 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: have been like, okay, you know what I mean. Anybody 515 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: would have said that, like anybody who serves them. They 516 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: would never said no if it was a man woman, 517 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: but she would have been proud of it. She would 518 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: have been honored. That's fair. She doesn't want to be 519 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: chosen by him and does stick to him. Um. And 520 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: I do remember the scene where you know, Molly calls 521 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: him calls her a bit so fair enough. Um. And 522 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: then another mention is a wedding crashers Amy Sich's character, 523 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: who is more the comedic take and to me seems 524 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: a little fit like fit into the pixie man a girl, 525 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: but definitely does fit the whole. What is that guy 526 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: getting in trouble genre movies where they have to have 527 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: that one girl who's stalking them, you know, and oh 528 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: my god, look at this crazy girl. So yeah, she 529 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: definitely was one of the big mentions. Well, that's an 530 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: interesting aspect of it too, is when you talk about 531 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: something like that which is more comedic, um, the idea 532 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: that there's almost an air of I am so attractive 533 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: or I'm so worth having and of course they have 534 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: almost groupies that you've got to have one following you around. 535 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: And it's funny like it's a marker of I don't know, 536 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: being a virile, attractive man. The women can't resist you, right, Um, 537 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: and then there's a girl interrupted Angelina Jolie. Oh. I 538 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: read that book, but it was a long time ago. Um. 539 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I did a project on it in high school. Yeah, 540 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: and this whole thing and we're gonna come back and 541 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit more, I know, but um, 542 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: you can debate it was trivializing or romanticizing mental health needs, 543 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons I chose it. 544 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: Like when you're in that sort of melancholy poetic art. 545 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say everyone goes through the stage, 546 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: but a lot of people do. When you're in high 547 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: school and you're kind of being all sad and that 548 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: this I thought was like, oh, look how beautiful sadness 549 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: can be. Which I know it was very problematic and 550 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: I've I've grown listeners. Yeah, but that's the thing is 551 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: still get what it's what gets fed to us, and 552 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: believe what this is right right, Um, but yes, definitely 553 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: Angelie to Jolie's character, I could see fitting that trope. 554 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: And then Friday, um, which spoiler alert, Uh, the mom 555 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: is actually the serial killer in this one. And I 556 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: knew this before I even saw firteenth because it's the 557 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: question that trips up Drew Barrymore and Scream when the 558 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the serial killer was asking her like, who's the killer 559 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: and she got the answer wrong because everyone assumes it's 560 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: Jason because the rest of the series it is, But 561 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: it's actually Jason's mom who wants revenge for these camp 562 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: counselors who were having sex and not watching her child, 563 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: and he drowned in crystallick Um, which by the way 564 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: is a portal to Hill and the FBI comes in 565 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: and sends Jason to space because obviously, uh, what I've 566 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: seen all of these now and about it. But anyway, Um, 567 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: this is also kind of a play on the always 568 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: blame the mother trope because um, she turned out to 569 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: be the serial killer. Usually you're blaming the mother for 570 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: this male sero killer's accents, but in this case, she 571 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: actually was the serial killer. And actually in Scream too, 572 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: the spoiler alert, the killer in that one. Billy Loomis's 573 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: mom from the first one. Billy Loomis from the first one. 574 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: Um she I'm pretty sure they purposefully cast one who 575 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: looks like the mother in Friday kind of pay homage 576 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: to that. Yeah, Scream definitely likes to do tongue in 577 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: cheek homages to other horror movies, which is fair. Which, 578 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: by the way, I watched Urban Legend talk about homages, 579 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: and the main guy who plays Freddie is in it too, 580 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: teaches Urban Legends and I forgot that. I'm like, oh 581 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: my god, I haven't seen Urban Legends and it's bad. 582 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: It's really bad. But I watched it again last night, 583 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: but I was just like, what is this? Um? Anyway, 584 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: Another comedy version of the Psycho Bits trope is My 585 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: Super Ex Girlfriend, which is not really a popular movie, 586 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: but I just remember thinking, what is this uh? And 587 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: here we have Uma Thurman being a superhero who is 588 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: heartbroken and becomes vengeful and, as it stays in one article, 589 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: becomes more neurotic as her relationship with Luke Wilson's character ends. Um. 590 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: And this one is supposed to be a comedy again, 591 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: like I said, and does have a flip at the 592 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: end where the women are the heroes making a difference 593 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: and you know, stopping crime while the male partners are 594 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, sitting back holding their persons, waiting for them 595 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: to come back. So it does have that little flip 596 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: and then it's definitely tongue in cheek, but it starts 597 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: with what if your ex girlfriend who you see is 598 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: crazy and cleany, which is what they describe her as, 599 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: UM has superpowers, you know, And then it goes into 600 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: this so it's like, take take what you know is 601 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: already a bad trope and add a lot more power 602 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: and danger because she is so strong now, which could 603 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: be said like, yeah, that's what happens when we talk 604 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: about men having too much power and being a lot 605 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: more stronger than you. Maybe that's what it looks like. 606 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: I don't know, uh. And then we we did want 607 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: to mention carry, which we already talked about in her 608 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: episode on why are period so terrifying? UM? But I 609 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: want to add here both the mother and daughter we're 610 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: on the list for. We had kind of two different quotes, 611 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,280 Speaker 1: two different types of quote. Psycho you got religious and tortured. 612 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: And I suppose while we're at it, we can mention 613 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: psycho m the mom and psycho who also well, I 614 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: guess she's not the serial she's not the serial killer. 615 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: He has a dual personality because of the abuse that 616 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: he'd suffered. But it's not right, that's right, it's not 617 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: about that. But if you want to talk about the 618 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: fear of women in sex, the main female character is 619 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: running away, I could believe because of an affair, and 620 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: so she kind of has to pay in the end 621 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: for her sexuality and guilt. And then one less one 622 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: we wanted to mention and we spoke about a little 623 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: bit earlier, is the audition, And oh my god, this 624 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: one haunts me. And I blame Annie and I for 625 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: not telling me what kind of movie this was. But yes, 626 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: it would play on the traumatized and victimized with unresolved 627 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: mental health issues that turns someone violent, interrrational, And yeah, 628 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: I was not expecting this, and it is a Japanese film. 629 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: It's a lot about torture, and I didn't he this 630 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: um and even the trauma was like, oh my god, 631 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: why So I wasn't ready because I don't love slasher films, 632 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: so I figure I already mentioned that I don't like 633 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: torture films. I hate it. I've never seen any of 634 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: the saw I don't I've never seen Hostile. I don't 635 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,839 Speaker 1: like it. I think it's disgusting. And nothing about this 636 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: like yes people love like the horror aspect of being like, 637 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: oh my god, what this happens to you? I don't 638 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: need to see it. So I wasn't expecting it. So 639 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: when I came across, I was like, I think the 640 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: first question. When I hadn't met any couple of years ago, 641 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, what are your favorite horror films? 642 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: Because you know she's a horror movie buff, of course 643 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: I I need to know, and she put this at 644 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: the top of her list. I was like, cool, cool, Cool, 645 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: I'll watch it. She's like, yeah, yeah, you should watch it. 646 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: And I watched it. I think I started text and 647 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell is wrong with you? What 648 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: have you done to me? Well, okay, to be fair 649 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 1: to me, I don't think I brought it up. I 650 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: think your partner brought it up. And I was like, 651 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: that's a really good movie. But I hadn't seen it 652 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: so long and I totally forgot about what it's all about, 653 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: and I rewatched it. After you're horrified text. I was like, oh, yeah, 654 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: that's pretty messed up. And for me, for me watching 655 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: horror movies like this, I have to finish it or 656 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: it lingers with me, like something about not finishing it 657 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: just causes more nightmares for me. So I had to 658 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: finish it, and I was so unhappy. Yeah, and you know, 659 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: like this movie is probably one of the ultimate examples 660 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about because it's it's gotten the 661 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: like she's an ex she's got this abuse, and then 662 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: there's torture um and again he kind of he played her. 663 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: He totally the main male character totally played her and 664 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:58,919 Speaker 1: used her. She she got heard some mne for sure. 665 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: I guess you could include the American version of the 666 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: grudge to write because she was sort of a that's 667 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: kind when we were talking about the mother or even 668 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: like the supernatural level of what's going on of who's 669 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: blaming what and what comes out right, And this is 670 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of what we're talking about. You like the pre 671 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 1: no I like the pre hauntings, and you like the aftermath. 672 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: So these are the things that would have happened, but 673 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: the beginning part is awful, like seeing them how they 674 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: got murdered, how they got stocked, how they got that 675 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: and then but instead, So it's definitely I think that's 676 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,720 Speaker 1: how we kind of put the line or the metric, 677 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, but for sure, this is definitely 678 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: one of those movies that plays on every single one 679 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: of this trope. Not only do you play on the 680 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: innocent sweet girl who he has to have because she 681 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: seems so innocent in pera but then turns out she's 682 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: not so innocent in pera and she breaks havoc. Yes, yes, okay, 683 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: so we've covered a lot of ground, but we did 684 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about some some themes in these movies. 685 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: But before we do that, we're gonna fall use for 686 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: one more quick break for a word from my sponsor, 687 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So one of the 688 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: big themes in these movies is revenge, and almost every 689 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: single one we talked about, in fact, we see this 690 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: theme of revenge. Um. And we've talked about women before 691 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: women in revenge films, and we've talked about the ins 692 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: and outs of revenge films and how women are portrayed 693 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: in these films. Um. I know I've talked about before. 694 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: I generally don't like revenge movies, even though it seems 695 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 1: that I play a lot of revenge video games and 696 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: when I write, I write a lot of revenge, So 697 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what that's all about. But I didn't. 698 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of them for this research, and 699 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: I have to say, like two or three of them 700 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: haunt me, um, and not a bad way. Necessarily, they're 701 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,359 Speaker 1: the ones written directed by women. UM. And I think 702 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: that's why it's it felt more true and in that 703 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,919 Speaker 1: way more like painful, like my heart hurts, um, because 704 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: when you're talking about like rape and revenge is just 705 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: this awful traumatic thing and look at the outcome of it. Um. 706 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: But uh, I mean, as is the case in a 707 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 1: lot of these things, the revenge doesn't often match the 708 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: ensuing actions these women take. Um. One article said that 709 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: if Scorner mistreated quote, she then ends up trying to 710 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: exact revenge, becoming obsessed, sometimes even murderous. No matter what 711 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: direction of film takes, it is clear the woman is 712 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: meant to be seen as in quotes crazy. The use 713 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: of this trope has been heavily critiqued, not only because 714 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: of its portrayal of women, how it connects to stereotypes 715 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: about mental health. It invalidates women's behavior and real mental 716 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: health struggles by simply reducing the person to being crazy. 717 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: When a woman is deemed crazy, she is dismissable and irrelevant. 718 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: And yeah, that is a really big discussion within these 719 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: movies like the Very Trope, It's right there. Why does 720 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: over dramatizing and stereotyping and mental health make the plot 721 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: of these films and continue to cause damage an open 722 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: conversation of these mental health issues. And I actually think 723 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: this is a problem in horror at large because a 724 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of times the twist is somebody has a mental 725 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: health issue or that's why they're doing whatever it is 726 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: that they're doing, whatever nefarious thing they're doing, which is problematic. Yeah, 727 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little more in depth about 728 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: it later at the end of this because it's definitely 729 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: something we need to cover and have a continued conversation 730 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: because as much as we enjoy being scared, as much 731 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: as we see this plot as something that brings along 732 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: the movie, it's problematic and we have to be able 733 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: to confront that. But on top of that, we also 734 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about motherhood um as a theme. If 735 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: you couldn't tell many of the films and characters have 736 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: some type of credit sism of either being a mother, 737 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: not being a mother, or wanting to be a mother. 738 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: Uh Specific to the movie Fatal Attraction. One article written 739 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: by a man in the Hess. She writes, when Glenn 740 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: closest thirty six year old book editor has a one 741 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,840 Speaker 1: night fleeing with Michael Douglas is happily married attorney Dan Gallagher. 742 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: Dan expects the cool girl which we talked about with 743 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: Gone Girl um independent Alex to remain discreet. Instead, her 744 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: biological call it goes berserk and she cuts her Risks 745 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: incessantly calls his home and now since she's pregnant, throws 746 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: acid on his car, boils his kids. Perfect Bunny abducts 747 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: his perfect child and attempts to stablish perfect housewife, and 748 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: at the film's end, the perfect wife shoots the psycho 749 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: butch in the heart by killing Alex and in the 750 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: seas her just dating fetus. The film restores the safety 751 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: of the perfect family, or, as Susan Valley wrote of 752 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: the message in her book Backlash, the best single woman 753 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: is a dead one. So we see over and over again, 754 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: whether we look at the protective mothers like comedies and 755 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: Monster in Law, which is the Jenner Lopez Jane Fonda movie, 756 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: or grieving mothers like The Hand that Rocks the Cradle 757 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,879 Speaker 1: or Friday the Thirteenth, or even manipulum mothers. We see 758 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: the same theme over and over again about how this 759 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: causes them to be or the lack of or any 760 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: of these is why they're psycho as they say, right, 761 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: and existing outside of being independent and not needing a man, 762 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,720 Speaker 1: and then that making you quote crazy, Um, yeah, because 763 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: it's threatening the patriarchal system we all live in. We 764 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: also wanted to talk about sex and sexiness, which is 765 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: a very broad theme that yeah, we can talk about 766 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: pretty much in anything. We talked about media, um, but 767 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: we couldn't ignore the obvious trip of film fatals and 768 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: their use of sex and sexiness to gain injury to 769 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: someone's life, into someone's life, or just as a way 770 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: of meeting um. In fact, a majority of films with 771 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: psychopathic women seem to fall under the exotic thriller genre 772 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,839 Speaker 1: as well, um, which allows for the movie to talk 773 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: about the horror of where in having or enjoying sex 774 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: without giving too much credit or sexual identity for women. 775 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,239 Speaker 1: Movies like basic instinct and though we didn't talk about 776 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: it earlier, swim fan Jennifer's Body, which is a really 777 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: wonderful movie. I actually really like that one. Um continue 778 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: to exploit female bodies and the idea of their usefulness 779 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: and for the world of film fatals abbender rights. In 780 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: the world of erotic thrillers, sex as a tool and 781 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: revenge is always an option, right and many articles have 782 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: been written about the biphobic and overall lesbian phobic representations 783 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: of the characters within this this trope in genre, again 784 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: using basic instinct as the example, the relationship between character 785 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,479 Speaker 1: Catherine and Roxy. We see the relationship through the male 786 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: gaze and is often portrayed as merely objects to quote 787 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,919 Speaker 1: arouse the male viewer. As an article from the bitch 788 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: Flick states, uh, the author continues and rights though many directors, 789 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: specifically male male directors don't necessarily mean to objectify their 790 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: characters quote their female characters are shown to have some 791 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: charming quality, but in the in the end that I 792 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 1: promiss you was and manipulative and never to be trusted. Yes, 793 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: and this reminded me of something I totally forgotten about. 794 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: But um so there was this thing I at work 795 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: back when Kristin past host and creator Kristen, when I 796 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: did the videos, she did one a parody of this 797 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: thing called the Crazy Hot Matrix UM, which many of 798 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 1: you probably have heard of from I believe it was 799 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: on How I Met Your Mother, but that this was 800 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: a video that a man like a man made and 801 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: legitimately believed that the more beautiful woman is, the hotter 802 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: she is, the more crazy she is, and he had 803 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: this graph and um, when we made the parody of it, 804 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: this was the one that got me duckt um people. 805 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: They were so mad about it and I was like, 806 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,759 Speaker 1: it were clearly we're joking, but also this video is 807 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: a real thing that exists. Um. But the fact that 808 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: that was the one that got me docks, I think 809 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 1: is very telling when it comes to this trope and 810 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: how we do view women still as like, yeah, you 811 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: can have sex with this crazy hot woman, but she 812 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: don't forget she's crazy and you don't want to marry 813 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: her because that was the point, Like you wanted to 814 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: marry a five and have sex with the ten um 815 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 1: and all of this is offensive. I don't agree with 816 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: any of it. I hope that's clear, But oh yeah, 817 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: this is definitely like pickup artist's charts to they they 818 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: really saw the character Barney as being an icon for them. 819 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: So I could absolutely see you being raped over the 820 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: coals by them. For sure. It was wild. We had 821 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,879 Speaker 1: to get security guards. Um. Yeah. So we we did 822 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: want to talk about this stigma with mental health and women. UM. 823 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: So we've given some examples. There are so many, but 824 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: we've given some of the psycho bitch chope in the 825 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: horror thriller genre and how it has slowly been changing 826 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: throughout the years, but not necessarily as fact as you 827 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 1: as fast as you might expect with the growing fairness 828 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: movements and just discussions around mental health. However, we did 829 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,800 Speaker 1: want to talk about, though we're all ablest idea behind 830 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: the genre and usage of the term crazy and psycho bitch. Um. 831 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,680 Speaker 1: And though we won't go into the history of the 832 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,680 Speaker 1: language because we have done that before. Um, we did 833 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: want to look at the continued stigma tropes like these 834 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: perpetuate and the damage they cause. As one article said, quote, 835 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,240 Speaker 1: the trope of the psycho bitch is something that oppresses 836 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: women and people with mental illnesses simultaneously. In it, writer 837 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: Joe and Show talks about the dangers of how these 838 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: tropes not only maintain the negative stereotypes, but continue to 839 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: negate the legitimacy of violence against women with disabilities. She writes, 840 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: when they experience violence because they are seen as crazier, 841 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: because they are not able to understand or communicate what 842 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,320 Speaker 1: happened to them, their attackers are rarely brought to justice. 843 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,239 Speaker 1: And this is a big conversation for us, as we 844 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: are recently discussed in our Violence against Women episode on 845 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:56,240 Speaker 1: how vulnerable we make people in the disabled community feel 846 00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: when we allow such ablest representation to be mainstream, right, 847 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: And I think it was legitimately calling out the fact 848 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 1: that when we have these things saying it's their fault 849 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: that people no longer believe them. So they have all 850 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: of these hurdles already just being able to say whether 851 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,399 Speaker 1: they're not able to communicate with people, or whether they're 852 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: not able to prove something, all of these things, but 853 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,440 Speaker 1: to have this other part of yeah, but but what 854 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,959 Speaker 1: did you do? But you're you're crazy. You can't even 855 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: talk about it because whatever what not? She haven't. She 856 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,439 Speaker 1: even gave an example of a client she had who 857 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: stated that she did not want to report rape because 858 00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 1: she would have to name all the medications she has 859 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: and the side effects, and that alone could discredit her. 860 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: So you have all of these things already happening, and 861 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: then you have movies like this that perpetuate and literally 862 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: uses their trauma as a blurb and then blame them 863 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: for all the things. And don't get me wrong, all 864 00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: these things are bad, but it's also unrealistic little violence 865 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,319 Speaker 1: that these men supposedly portray. But at the same time, 866 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,879 Speaker 1: how that term crazy psycho bitch uses that connotation, that's 867 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: what lingers over them about a person. So no matter what, 868 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: this crazy maybe, and it's not okay to say that 869 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,160 Speaker 1: at all, but it just reference to the worst idea 870 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: of the psycho bitch trope. Yeah, but yeah, and beyond that, 871 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: we look at the other side of that coin. You're 872 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: welcome UM as that it portrays people diagnosed with mental 873 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: health issues as violent and unhinged and dangerous, which again 874 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,839 Speaker 1: places a mistrust and an ugly shameful stereotype for those 875 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,359 Speaker 1: diagnosed UM, which is as another article from bitch Flake 876 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,240 Speaker 1: talks about which films continue to use as shocked factor 877 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: portions of this fictional entertainment that again leads to misconceived 878 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: stereotypes and again silences people who have these issues and 879 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: who are living with this and are able to maintain. 880 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: These are things that are being completely dismissed. And and 881 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,040 Speaker 1: again it's kind of that same level when we talk 882 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: about mass shootings, when we talk about the dangers that 883 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: have happened and people who have where we have had 884 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 1: incidents and just being saying it's a mental health thing 885 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,280 Speaker 1: and just categorizing it like that, And it's so dangerous 886 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 1: because that's not what pushed them right to that volatile state. 887 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: Just because they have a diagnosis does not mean they're 888 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: going to do this. And to label it like that 889 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,479 Speaker 1: and to put a headline like that once again leads 890 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: to this awful stereotype and an awful misconception which is 891 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: being popularized by a lot of films like this. Yeah, 892 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: and that's it's really brazen to to say that and 893 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: then offer no like mental health like fun and yeah, 894 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: the US thinks so little of actually treatment. Yeah that, 895 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: but yeah, we're gonna say it like that, right, And 896 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole troope has especially been weaponized against women. 897 00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean every word in it. I feel like crazy 898 00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 1: psycho bitch to dismiss um women. And I was thinking 899 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 1: about that song, that recent song, like yeah, she's sweet, 900 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: but she's psycho like it's everywhere. Um, and that's kind 901 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 1: of that whole term for pixie manic girl. It's that 902 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: same level of the cute manic girl. It's kind of 903 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: that whole level like Okay, why are you celebrating? And 904 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: also this is not a thing, stop it. That is 905 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: our messages. So yeah, that's an overview of this trope 906 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: that we see. Um, there's a lot to unravel here clearly, UM, 907 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 1: and just years and years and years of how women 908 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,399 Speaker 1: are perceived in in our entertainment and in our culture. Um. 909 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,320 Speaker 1: As usual, this is just the tip of the iceberg. 910 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,319 Speaker 1: So if there's something you want us to focus in on, 911 00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,520 Speaker 1: let us know please, Or if there's an example we 912 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: missed do you think we should talk about, send it 913 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: our way, UM. And you can do that at our 914 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: email which is Stuff Medium mom Stuff at iHeart media 915 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also find us on Twitter at 916 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast or on Instagram at Stuff I've Never 917 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,280 Speaker 1: Told You. Thanks. It's always to our super producer Andrew Howard. 918 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Andrew, and thanks to you for listening stuff I 919 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: never told you the protection of I heart Radio. For 920 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: more podcast from My heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 921 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,480 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.