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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is Monday, the eleventh of

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Speaker 1: July twenty twenty two, and it is time, diggity donks

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Speaker 1: for Morning Combat, the best way to start your Combat

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Speaker 1: sports week. Hi there, I am merely one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duo. My name is Luke Thomas. I join

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Speaker 1: you from the capital of Astatus of Needles right here

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Speaker 1: the very loudly dressed Viceroy of Connecticut. We don't have

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Speaker 1: him today. He's a little bit busy, but Connecticut is

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Speaker 1: in the hat himself. It's Chuckman and Hall. What's up, Charles.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad we're sticking with Connecticut, Luke, you know what

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Speaker 1: What's the best thing about Connecticut that I've never told me?

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Speaker 1: And I say, I don't know what part of Connecticut

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes a guy like RDA to come out there

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00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,199
Speaker 2: and still have that in your tank, to go do

431
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,240
Speaker 2: that and to land that effectively of that combination really

432
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,000
Speaker 2: beautiful stuff.

433
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,000
Speaker 1: Man. What do you make of Physive as a possible

434
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:46,120
Speaker 1: like celebrated figure because he does speak English, It's it's

435
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,560
Speaker 1: still pretty broken, but it's it's usable. Yeah, And more

436
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,399
Speaker 1: to the point, he had that back and forth with

437
00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,600
Speaker 1: Connor on Twitter, Like, one thing I'm wondering is when

438
00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 1: you get these guys coming up the ranks, your sar Yukian's,

439
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,320
Speaker 1: your Isma Gulovs and so forth, the question is not

440
00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 1: are they talented enough to be in this place? I

441
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,640
Speaker 1: mean they're taking over the water. Do these guys all

442
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 1: from like, you know, Eastern Europe or you know, parts

443
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,720
Speaker 1: of Asia depending on how the map looks. Yeah, they're

444
00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,320
Speaker 1: invasive species, you.

445
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 2: Know what I mean?

446
00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 1: Like once they start true, once they start setting up

447
00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,640
Speaker 1: in the pond, all the other wildlife goes away. That's

448
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel about them. However, there is

449
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,679
Speaker 1: a question about to what extent these guys can actually

450
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: be turned into stars, and it's not just a languish

451
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,760
Speaker 1: thing because you and I both know Habib's English was

452
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 1: good but never great, far from it. But it didn't matter.

453
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 1: He had a style yet, oh he had a certain swag,

454
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:37,840
Speaker 1: He had a certain like ice smash and all that

455
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Can these guys not be Habib? But

456
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 1: do you wonder whatever their talent level is, there gonna

457
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,040
Speaker 1: be any corresponding issue. And I want you, like to

458
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 1: focus on physibe in particular, maybe elevating them to enough

459
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,640
Speaker 1: to be a pay per view attraction.

460
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's really that is a toughie, man. I haven't

461
00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,400
Speaker 2: seen it. Like I feel like, if it's z Eve

462
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 2: has something about him that's a little more charismatic than

463
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: some of the other guys. Like I feel like he

464
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 2: wants to play the game, that's one thing. Like he's

465
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,959
Speaker 2: not forcing it, Like I think he's staying within his

466
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 2: his natural you know, promotion, like how he how he

467
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 2: wants to be on Cameron all that stuff. So I

468
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: feel like he's kind of doing okay it. I have

469
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: to wait and see how that plays out. But some

470
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 2: of the other guys, it's gonna be tough, man. I

471
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 2: mean I think that you're right, it's it does feel

472
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: like an invasive species because you're used to a certain

473
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,119
Speaker 2: thing going on and now all these all these cats

474
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 2: man with Ov's in their name and Gamrod I mean

475
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: Polish fight like. It's like they all have h they're

476
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 2: all more action than words right now, but they all

477
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 2: have that feel to them like they're going to do

478
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 2: something remarkable in the sport. I don't know. After the

479
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 2: Izzy criticism, for instance, he's one of the great promoters

480
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: in the game, but it's sort of backfires in another

481
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: way when maybe you don't live up to whatever the

482
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 2: expectations you're putting down are. Sometimes I'm like in our

483
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: new age, in the way that we're going at ESPN,

484
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 2: the new audience, do they care more about the action

485
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: in the end? Like, I don't know. I feel like

486
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of that because people get more

487
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: technical they watch it, they kind of understand. I'd like

488
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 2: to think this anyway that they like to understand what

489
00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: they're watching a little better, especially with betting boom. The

490
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: betting boom makes people pay attention to technique way more

491
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: like you understand guys' weaknesses if you're betting on him

492
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: and you see him getting carved up in some way.

493
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 2: It's a very interesting dynamic. But I think that most

494
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 2: of the guys you're mentioning, if they're pay per view attractions,

495
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: it'll probably probably be because they are so dominant, or

496
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, they're just that good, like Habib in the end.

497
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: But I don't really see any of them where you're like,

498
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: he's a cult star because of what he's saying or

499
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 2: you know, acting or calling guys out. None of the

500
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: names you mentioned has that kind of thing going on

501
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 2: for them.

502
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Speaker 1: I will say one of the bad things about you,

503
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting you make one of the points that it's

504
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: good about betting, namely that people are paying more attention,

505
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: which I think it's on some level true at least

506
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: with the degenerates. However, on the other and how many

507
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 1: times on social have you seen, you know, some fighter

508
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 1: who just lost on Twitter or Instagram or something come

509
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: on be like, hey, you know it didn't go my

510
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: way and thanks for the support, and then they get

511
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: lit up in the comments by the degenerates being like, hey,

512
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: you ruin my parlay something stupid. Yeah, if you send

513
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 1: a losing fighter a complaint because they busted your parlay,

514
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: just know there's no level below that that is where

515
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: loserdom exists. Like that's it. That's loser personified right there.

516
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: And we're seeing it more than ever now with all

517
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 2: of the all of the gambling sites and making it

518
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,360
Speaker 2: leag I just feel like I see that so much now, man,

519
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: And I hear people talk about it all the time.

520
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: Oh I was, I had a four teamer and he

521
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: blew it for me or whatever. And it also puts

522
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 2: all the you know, the judges on blast right like,

523
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: so that the judging becomes more of a big deal

524
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 2: in the sport in terms of that sort of thing.

525
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: But you're right, I can't stand it. It's just such

526
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: a like it's the game wasn't invented for that kind

527
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: of very personal status on how you're viewing it. You know.

528
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you've lost, sorry about that, but uh,

529
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear it, man, I don't want

530
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: to hear that. I do think though, Seriously, I've talked

531
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: to a lot of guys who just got into betting fights,

532
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: but they immediately start to understand what the guy's strengths

533
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 2: and weaknesses are by seeing it rather than be and

534
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 2: told you know what I mean, Like they see it

535
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: in real action, and so they have legit questions now

536
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: that are actually kind of logical questions, reasonable doubts about

537
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: whatever is going on with a matchup style, which is

538
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: kind of remark. That's the phenomena of today. I feel

539
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 2: like people are actually learning the sport through betting, which

540
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: is bizarre, man, which is sad.

541
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: It's like, how did you learn math through gambling? Actually

542
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: that's how I learned math. Yes, I bet my mortgage

543
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: on blackjacket, all right, come on, house dam. There is

544
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: another question related to a physi, which is who he

545
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: called out, and he called out just Engaging, And the

546
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: reason why that's interesting is because just engage you did

547
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: just have I think our is about to have no surgery.

548
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: But it's also the guy who the previous winner in

549
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: a lightweight main event on fight night called out in

550
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: Matereio's Gamrock. So Gamrock and Phyzeve have both called out

551
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: Justin Gaechee. If you were a matchmaker, which direction would

552
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: you go?

553
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: That's so tough, man, is it? I think I would

554
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 2: ultimately go for Zeve. I think it's the right answer.

555
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

556
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: I just I think that he's uh. I think that

557
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: where he's at. And also just the kind of prospect.

558
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: When you think about that fight, I think it's a

559
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: lot of fun. I do think that they match up

560
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: really well, and I think the Zev would. I mean,

561
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: that's an action fight and both both guys are getting

562
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: like you know, they're known for their end of the

563
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: night bonuses wherever you want to take that, Like, I

564
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: think that that just makes for a very good fight.

565
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: And I think if you're trying to clear a hurdle

566
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: into that top space, obviously a guy like Gaiechee leaves

567
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: you transformed a lot of times, like you go and

568
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: you come out a different person than you went into

569
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: a fight. But I think that if you're a very

570
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: good striker like the Zev, you might you might see

571
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: something in what you could do with a Geichee fight

572
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: and say, like, you know, that's my money fight. So

573
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: from both perspectives, I like it. I really do like

574
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: that fight.

575
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to go wrong in either direction. I

576
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: just feel like with Gamrot Okay, again, you could make

577
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: a case for either and neither fight would be bad.

578
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: Just as a general blanket statement, I have a feeling

579
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: Gamrot might wrestle him a lot and that would be

580
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: good for Gamrot obviously, and he could certainly win that way.

581
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: In fact, I might even I might favor both of

582
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: those guys to be gaiche to be honest with you. However, however,

583
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I think the way Phaziv will fight him, which is standing,

584
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: you know, not directly in front of him, but you know,

585
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: standing with him and having to deal with some of

586
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: that punishment as he dishes it back out, is just

587
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit better for the fans

588
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: and be we were talking about can these guys be stars.

589
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: Phaziv's already got a little bit of that cooking a

590
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: little bit of it beating Gaichee. Should he be able

591
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: to do that in the way in which he would

592
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: fight him, would go a lot further.

593
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Speaker 2: In my mind, I agree with that. Yes, if you're

594
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: trying to clear a hurdle into I guess more of

595
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: the mainstream or whatever you want to say, like into

596
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: broader consciousness in the fight game, I think that going

597
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: through Geechee, because people pay attention to his fights, his style,

598
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: all that stuff. A lot of people too, just think

599
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: he's a berserker. That's if he gets solved. It's usually

600
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: if he gets solved, it's usually after he puts you

601
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: into trouble, like with Charles Oliver and all this stuff,

602
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: so it's there's a little bit of a test and

603
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: with your chin and all that stuff. I think that

604
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: all of that would come into play. But man, I

605
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: would love to see it. I know that, like for

606
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: you as a as a an analytical mind in the

607
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: game who likes the technique. I bet you this would

608
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: be a very fun breakdown afterwards because I think that

609
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: they're probably the tables would probably turn three times in it,

610
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: and there'd be turning points and plot twists and everything.

611
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it, I really would, man. I actually,

612
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: in prospect, when you think about certain fights, you get

613
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: that sense of what they would be able to deliver.

614
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: And I think that my immediate thing when he's talking

615
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 2: of it, and I was thinking about physiavu physive. I mean,

616
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: I keep saying physia but like a physique.

617
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: When he said that, so I told us at the awards,

618
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: that's how you pronounced it, But I have.

619
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 2: No one Well, however, everybody keeps pronouncing differently. But you know,

620
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 2: just just contemplating, just contemplating that fight gets me excited.

621
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: So I love fights like that.

622
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: Man.

623
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: If that's the one that happens, I'd be very I'd

624
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: be pretty happy about that.

625
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Uh okay, So let's go to topic number two, because

626
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: we've been discussing Physive, but now it's time to discuss

627
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: the guy who really has been the much longer mainstay

628
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: in this division and beating him tells you a lot.

629
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: It's RDA. So now, Rdia did have two wins coming

630
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: into this fight, and in fact, he looked pretty good

631
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: in both. However, both of those opponents were coming in

632
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: on very last minute notice, and here he takes on

633
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: Physive and certainly did not look bad. You could say,

634
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: maybe one around and kind of gave a good competition

635
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: throughout it up until the fifth. But at thirty seven

636
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: years of age, it's not exactly clear what the path

637
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: back to a title would be. I saw some folks

638
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: being like, all he has to do is win one

639
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: and get back there. I don't really believe that's a

640
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: fair representation of the hurdles that he faces. So Chuck

641
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: at thirty seven certainly not washed. But you can see

642
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the pack beginning to move up. What

643
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: is a good next move for RDA?

644
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: He's fought such a who's who at so many like

645
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: at the highest points of so many of these guys careers.

646
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: Even when he beat Serroni back in Orlando, back in

647
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: the day, I felt like Serroni was the best he'd

648
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: ever been, and that seemed like a danger thing. RDA

649
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: beats him. I feel like he's just stood in there

650
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: against the best of the best for so long. I

651
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: would love to, be honest for him to take take

652
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: a step back. If I'm guessing he wants to stay

653
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: at lightweight, take a step back, fight one of the guys,

654
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: because honestly, that top fifteen and lightweight right now is

655
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: just full of monsters. Man, jaylen turn is barely breaking

656
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 2: in there, you know what I mean. Like, it's just

657
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: it's full of monsters. I would like to see him

658
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: basically fight a guy who's below that top fifteen and

659
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: see where he's at, because, honestly, man, like, when a

660
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: guy like the Zeve has to get through rdaight, what

661
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: is the finish? That's sort of the gatekeeper role, right

662
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 2: Like you're starting to be cast in that role. I

663
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: don't know, because he'll be thirty eight years old. I

664
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: think he's got in October. He'll be thirty at the

665
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: next time he fights, and I don't know. I just

666
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: you've been a champion, you fought everybody. I think your

667
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: legacy is now based on all of the things, all

668
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: of those things. I don't really think that you're going

669
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: to make another run at the title. So if you

670
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: want to hang around, take a guy that you should beat,

671
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: you know, you'd be a favorite against somebody lower in

672
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: the rankings and just kind of get a sense of

673
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: where you're at. But I just don't want to see

674
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: him going against one of those one of the monsters

675
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 2: in the top fifteen at this.

676
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: Point, yeah, or a lower level top fifteen, like eleven

677
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: to fifteen or something like that.

678
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they're all monsters even there. Man Jesus, but

679
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: you know the truth, that's true.

680
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: But you know, it's interesting we have these conversations because

681
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, you know, Max Holloway being a

682
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: bit of a crossroads. Now he's only thirty, but he's

683
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: obviously got ten years of UFC fighting, which is a

684
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: significant amount. But in thinking about RDA, listen, at the

685
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's really a function of what

686
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: he wants, and so if he wants to keep going,

687
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: he certainly has the fighting ability to beat good fighters,

688
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: and it seems like for potentially a little while. So

689
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: this is not me saying he can't win fights. He

690
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: can one one hundred percent win fights, and probably several

691
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: of them depending on how the matchmaking goes. But to

692
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: the point that you raise, this guy has fought everybody

693
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: across two weight classes for a very long time. He

694
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: reached the championship level, he has not gotten necessarily. He

695
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: got fairly close at lightweight, but he's not really all

696
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: that close, depending when you look at who not only

697
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: is ahead, but some of the bigger matchups that can

698
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: be made. And so while I have to say the

699
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: answer is well, whatever he wants to do, I will

700
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: tell you it wouldn't it would break my heart in

701
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: the sense that something spectacular had come to a close.

702
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: But he has to ask himself what is really attainable? Right,

703
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: what is actually achievable? What is going to be the

704
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: cost to get there even if you can do it,

705
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: and is it all worth it? I don't think that

706
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: considering retirement is the worst thing in the world. And

707
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: everyone makes retirement out to be pejorative, O, like, oh,

708
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: you can can't do this anymore. No, let me be

709
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: very clear. He very much can win fights. I firmly

710
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: believe that he is still a not just a UFC

711
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: level fighter, but a high level one. He did not

712
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: look bad in this fight at all at all. But

713
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: if the goal is the title and you have to

714
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: think about what you have to do to get there

715
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: at age thirty eight, at one hundred and fifty five pounds,

716
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: even if that's achievable, chuck the grid to do that,

717
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: the difficulty of it, is it going to be worth it,

718
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: especially for the money. I have questions about that. I

719
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: really do, yes you, and.

720
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I suppose he could if they

721
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 2: gave him another guy in that top space. I can't

722
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: imagine the UC would actually do this at this point,

723
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: but I mean, who knows. You never know. If something

724
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: falls through and he jumps back in there and he

725
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: scores a win, I suppose you could be like, well,

726
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: he's back in the mix even though or he's back

727
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: in the relative mix with all these guys based on that.

728
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: But I do feel like when you see a fight

729
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: like this, he was very competitive, but again, he wasn't

730
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: He wasn't going to win the fight. I didn't feel

731
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: like I didn't really feel like there was a big

732
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: threat for him to win this fight as it was rolling.

733
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: So at that point you're kind of just seeing that

734
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: he's on the tail end of his career. So I

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: the extension of that is you don't really need to

736
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: see him going for the top prize anymore because you

737
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 2: know those other guys are passing him by. Like you mentioned,

738
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: it's like the blood dim Tide. Man, those guys that

739
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: are coming up are insanely good, insanely good, and I

740
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: think I would favor all of them, all the guys

741
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier over Urda. So I just

742
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: if he wants to keep it going, maybe you know,

743
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: you go out on a good note. I wouldn't mind

744
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: if he basically called it a career right now. He's

745
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: one of those guys too, where you have some big

746
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: what ifs. He was supposed to fight Conor McGregor, you

747
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: never got that one. You almost wonder the trajectory of

748
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: his career if he had fought, been able to stay

749
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: in that fight and had got it. He was supposed

750
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: to fight Islam. That probably wouldn't have gone too well

751
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: for him. But I mean again, it's a testament to

752
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: him wanting to fight the very best and not saying

753
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: no to guys who everybody else is like That'd rather

754
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: not fight that guy, you know what I mean. I

755
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: think his legacy is that, and he's done that. I

756
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to change too much if he's

757
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: going to keep going. But at the same time, I

758
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 2: think he's who he is right like, he's done what

759
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: he's going to do in the sport. I don't need

760
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: to really be thinking about him in the title picture anymore.

761
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: And I know there's going to be fans hearing this

762
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 1: being like, oh, these two guys are out of their

763
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: mind suggesting that retirement is the because people in their

764
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: mind associate retirement with oh, washed decredit, can't do it anymore, infirm,

765
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: and he's none of those things. But what they don't

766
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: think about is, Dude, I have seen generations of fighters

767
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: come and go, and I've talked to them five sometimes

768
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: ten years after they've retired. A lot of them don't

769
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: look and sound the same. You know, it's not necessarily

770
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: a huge drop off, but you know this as well,

771
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: there is no one wants to talk about the quality

772
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: of life after stuff, and dude, we're not talking about

773
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: a guy who like kind of Pitter padded around. This

774
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: dude fought every hammer along the way that he could

775
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: across two weight classes. And by the way, I think

776
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,959
Speaker 1: no one ever talks about this. I think he changed

777
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: Anthony Pettis after that win and took the belt from

778
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: him like he whood point him in that process. And

779
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: so we're talking about a guy who's done incredible things

780
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and can still do very very high level things. But

781
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: what's attainable? What's the cost to get there? How doable

782
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: is it for what he's going to be getting paid?

783
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: These are not pay per viewpoints he's getting. There are

784
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: some questions to be asked there. By the way, we'll

785
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: pitch this back to you real quickly. You mentioned Connor McGregor.

786
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if that might be an interesting fight to

787
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: come back to you. Do you think, because they would

788
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: be not too far apart in the rankings, they do

789
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: have history together, that's a fairly winnable fight, you might

790
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: imagine in either direction. Right, what do you think about that?

791
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: Well, let's put this way, that would be like a

792
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: career achievement fight for him, right, Like you'd be like,

793
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: all right, cool, here's your award. At the end, you

794
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: get Conor McGregor, it's a big payday, all those good things.

795
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing that. But I always wonder because

796
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: we know how Connor Gregor plays the game. Once a

797
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: guy kind of like once we're having a conversation like

798
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 2: this about a guy, you know that his druthers are

799
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: not really into that. I know people could point to

800
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: the Donald Seroni one where they brought him back and

801
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: Donald was on the clear tail end of his career

802
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: when Connor caught him. But I'd like to think that

803
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: Connor is like they're going to listen to him. And

804
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: I'd be a little surprised because as a b side,

805
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: Dosano say, isn't exactly like the guy who's gonna, you know,

806
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: rival you and go at you in a press conference

807
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. I would be surprised if Connor

808
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: was really cool with that. But if I'm being honest, man,

809
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: I mean, they're kind of in the same boat and

810
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: a weird way. I wouldn't mind seeing that fight. And

811
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: you're right, I think that they have that history, they've

812
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 2: went back and forth before. I think that it just

813
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: kind of if you like clean resolution or having some

814
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: kind of resolution to a situation, even if it's years later.

815
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: I don't know why you wouldn't like that fight at

816
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 2: this point of their careers.

817
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: Would you favor RDA to win?

818
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 2: I think I would at this point, I think I would, man,

819
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: And it's really just because I just don't know with

820
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: Connor anymore. How can I just don't feel like he's

821
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like he's gonna be the same guy.

822
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: Plus this layoff, it's no joke man to come back

823
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: from what he's coming back from.

824
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: RDA.

825
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: I think this would be like his super Bowl, right, Like,

826
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: I think he'd be like, Okay, I'm gonna definitely want

827
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: to beat this guy. Think he would have. He would

828
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: be training harder than ever, and I think you'd show

829
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: up ready to ready to beat him. And I think

830
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: he would beat him the way he'd need to beat him,

831
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like play it smart. So yeah,

832
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: I would I probably favor RDYA going into that.

833
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I would too. And you know, we'll

834
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: have to see what happens. He could get another fight

835
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: and put together another two three fight win streak. I

836
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: guess the point I'm trying to just really drive full

837
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: the audience is and I'm a huge believer int RDA like,

838
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: I really he's done incredible things for a very long time,

839
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: but it's the window to make account of it is short.

840
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: In this fight game. It doesn't come usually at thirty

841
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: eight thirty nine at one hundred and fifty five pounds.

842
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: It's very very rare, so, if not altogether unheard of.

843
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: By the way, sort of a sidebar here on this,

844
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: this is where are you out on John Jones because

845
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: this is sort of like my view, like we're talking

846
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: about Connor. It's like, dude, John did not look great

847
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: at the end of his light heavyweight run. I thought

848
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: he lost the Dominic Reyes fight. I mean, obviously, some

849
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: folks think he lost the Gustaveson fight. I disagree. I

850
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: thought he won that one. But he between the Santos,

851
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: the Smith and then the Rays fight, he didn't look great.

852
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: He's taking a ton of time off, you know. I

853
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: realized he trains with a great team, and he's got

854
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, now Henry Shudo around him, and Stan Efferdin

855
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of different guys. But I gotta tell you,

856
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm not declaring that I think he can't beat step

857
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: A or that he won't win when he comes back.

858
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what will happen, but this idea that like, oh,

859
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,959
Speaker 1: he'll just pick up where he left off, I find

860
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: I am very skeptical of that. Where are you on

861
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: that whole equation.

862
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this recently and I think I'm

863
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: very skeptical as well. It's just really the passage of time.

864
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 2: Like you mentioned this, that's a long time, and I

865
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: agree with you. So if you were trying to defend

866
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: John Jones going back to those those last ones, you

867
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: could say that he was bored, you know, like these

868
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 2: these were woodwork contender types. They weren't like the sexy matchups.

869
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: They weren't guys like where he's trying to make history.

870
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: They were just the meritocracy fighters coming up who broke through,

871
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: so they wanted to win. I think he did just

872
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: enough to bat them back. I kind of agree with you, though, Man.

873
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: I've watched that the race quite a couple of times.

874
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: I thought he lost that fight. So it's just he's

875
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: coming out of a situation where he didn't look his best.

876
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: I think I remember talking to Sean al Shoddy about this.

877
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: He was he thinks it fairly clearly that there was

878
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: a decline going on already, that's very possible. But to

879
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: go into a situation where now you're going to heavyweight,

880
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: I thought that the biggest motivator would be, like, Hey,

881
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: everybody's going to doubt me, I'm finally on the other

882
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: end of the doubt going into a fight. I think

883
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: that Miocic would be the favorite. I'm not sure what

884
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: the odds would be, but like, I feel like he'd

885
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: be the favorite one into that fight. That puts John

886
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: Jones in a whole new situation. I thought being motivated

887
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: that way might actually bring out whatever we're waiting to

888
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: see from John Jones again, What's you know, what's in

889
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 2: there for him to do? But the passage of time,

890
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: I just it's so much time and it keeps going by,

891
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: and I just I don't know, I don't, I don't know.

892
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: I think it's just combined with the way he has

893
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: looked and then the passage of time and just I

894
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: don't know where, I don't know where he's head is at.

895
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: I think the biggest intrigue would be that, right, like

896
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: going into this heavyway, like what does John Jones look like?

897
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: What is he gonna?

898
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: You know, what's in his mind? What is his does

899
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: he want to conquer the division? I don't even know man,

900
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: to be honest, but yeah, skeptical is the right word.

901
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical as well.

902
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: All right. Before we move on from this particular fight night,

903
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: last question. The opening bout on the main card was

904
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Michael Johnsonton on this malarkey guy out of By the way,

905
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: if you're Australian, this won't mean anything to you. But

906
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: like our current president, who you know, he's he's he's old.

907
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: I mean, he's very old. He says mollarchy all the time.

908
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: That's every time I hear this guy's name, I'm always

909
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: thinking of old ass. Joe Biden be like, oh my god, okay, but.

910
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: Just Bullcorn too, Bullcorn.

911
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. My dad has all these old phrases

912
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: that you don't even hear anymore. Like my dad, My

913
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: dad told me this one. He was like, no one

914
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: tells it's a He wasn't talking about like his grandmother

915
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: or my grandmother. He goes, no one tells grandma how

916
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: to suck eggs. I'm like, Dad, what the fuck does

917
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: that even mean? What kind of man? Like? People call

918
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: me boomer? I'm which fine, I'm old, but like, there's

919
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: levels to there's levels to washing this and let me

920
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: tell you, my dad's at the king of that hill.

921
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: All right, love it. But there was that opened the

922
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: main the main card. Controversial scoring again, all all the

923
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: busted parlay folks are just you know, slamming their fingers

924
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: on the keys. What did you think I heard?

925
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 2: I heard I heard some on this one particularly. I

926
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: heard about this fight from degenerate buddies who are like,

927
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, pointing this out.

928
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: But yes, you.

929
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: Asking how I scored it. Yeah, I thought that. So

930
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: Johnson got a very clean and for just a minute,

931
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: like a very clean knock down, and it looked for

932
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: just a minute like the fight might be over right,

933
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: Like it looked like a danger if you're playing the game,

934
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: it was like it went into the red at that

935
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: very moment. Now I know he also got caught toward

936
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: the end of the round, Yes, but I didn't. I

937
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: didn't think that. I didn't think that was enough. Johnson

938
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: had outstruck him. I believe even officially on the you know,

939
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 2: it looked that way in the real time. I think

940
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: that the stats backed it up. It just looked like

941
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: his round. And I think when you score a knockdown

942
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: like that, where it looks like it's almost over. It

943
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: was hard for me to kind of give it the

944
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: other way to Malarkey because I don't know how you

945
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: do that. I know he was hurt at the end,

946
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: but I scored it ten to nine, so I gave

947
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: him the first and the third because the third was

948
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: fairly clear, just like the second was the other way.

949
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: So I had it two to one, giving one in

950
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: three to Johnson on that fight.

951
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: By the way, I think I called him john Malarkey.

952
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: It's Jamie Malarkey, so I apollo Jamie, yes, sir, Yeah,

953
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: But I scored it for Johnson as well. I thought

954
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: Johnson had won the first in the third round two

955
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: pretty clearly the Malarkey round if you look at the numbers,

956
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: forty five to eighteen. Now again these are numerical totals,

957
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: not qualitative totals. In round one, by the way, it

958
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: was pretty even at twenty for Malarkey Johnson eighteen, and

959
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, well, Milwaukee had two more, but like,

960
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: what does that mean? That's that's basically the same. But

961
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: this is my whole point. It's like, listen, if you

962
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: lost money on a bet, I understand being upset about it.

963
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I really do. But I this was close. This was close.

964
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Split decision was almost inevitable. Clear round three for Johnson,

965
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: clear round two for Malarchy. Round one was clearly headed

966
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: towards Johnson until he got he ate a fairly decent shot.

967
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I still thought, to your point, Johnson did the great work.

968
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: But dude, every time we get one of these, it's

969
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: like the judges are incompetent and my parlay got busted

970
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, don't bet on mma, motherfucker. This is

971
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: what this is. This is MMA fighting. This is this

972
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: is the experience over time of what you're going to get.

973
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: Do not be surprised one hundred man.

974
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: And if it like let's say it went out of

975
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: a sequence, if everything had stood the same, yet it

976
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: was Johnson who basically got the last you know that

977
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: that last combination off and kind of hurt Malarkey, you know,

978
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: and it's just the reverse. I think Johnson wins the round.

979
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: I think it's just that you saw the guy hurt

980
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 2: at the very end of that round. That swayed it,

981
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's just one of those situations.

982
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: It's so weird, man, I mean, mma. Judging is just

983
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: it's obviously like we could you could go on about

984
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: you could do a podcast about judging after every single card,

985
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: right because there's always something but this particular one, if

986
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: you reverse your order, I bet Johnson wins that on

987
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: the scorecard. It's hard to say for sure, but I'm like,

988
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I think it was just all right, you know what

989
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: I mean, Like I think that you would you just

990
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: it's it's like that, like the last guy you see

991
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: wobbled and all that stuff is kind of what you

992
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: go with.

993
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: And also this one, it's like people like that that

994
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: result was unfair, and I'm like, maybe the unfair the

995
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: results happened all the time, you know what you were,

996
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, what do you want

997
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: me to say? And again, first of all, first of

998
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: all was close, so like to the extent it's unfair,

999
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: it's not very unfair. I mean, the results are dramatic

1000
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: because you lose half your check and all that kind

1001
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: of shit, Like, yes, that part really really sucks, and

1002
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: I get And again you and I both thought Johnson

1003
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: was the guy who had done a little bit more.

1004
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, dude, are you

1005
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: under the impression that the best guy always wins, or

1006
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: that the judges always get it right. If you want

1007
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: to bet, you are betting on a sport where the

1008
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: judges may not have a great look, they may not

1009
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: be very dialed in. Maybe they're going through a divorce,

1010
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe that you know the fuck knows, this is what

1011
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. Make better bets, is what I would

1012
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: tell folks. Different sport, different sport. Yeah, different on ball, Yeah, exactly,

1013
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: last thing on this card, and then we'll move along

1014
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: to something else here.

1015
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

1016
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: Comin event from UFC Vegas fifty eight. I'm gonna try

1017
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: to pronounce this guy's name. I'm sure I'm fucking it

1018
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: up badly, but Kyo Bohalio basically controlled Armen Petrosian in

1019
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: the comin event for UFC Vegas, and he's got a

1020
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: bunch of interesting tattoos. Now he does speak a level

1021
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: of English that he could, let's say, really leverage for

1022
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: better media opportunities in ways that you know Jose Aldo

1023
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: never has been. So let me ask you controlled. This

1024
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: guy has looked very good in the UFC, seems ready

1025
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: for more. And I will say something as I pitched

1026
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: this question to you, I have a feeling that the

1027
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: UFC is trying to get as many young one eddy

1028
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: fivers moving up the chains as fast as they can

1029
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: because either Izzy or Pereira is gonna sit on this

1030
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: for a while or whatever I think is he probably

1031
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: will sit on this for a while. They need some

1032
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: fresh blood up there. So I do think he's getting

1033
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: a bit of a push by virtue of that. So

1034
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: let me ask you, what's what's your level of upside

1035
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: for Balhalio.

1036
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: I think it's there. Like what you're mentioning with the

1037
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: whiteweight guys, I feel like, you know, it's it's hard

1038
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: to distinguish some of them in terms of their personality

1039
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: and charisma. But when you're talking about a guy like

1040
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: this who has what the fighting nerds, you know, anti

1041
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: bullying thing went on, I feel like people are paying

1042
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: attention to him as a person, which always increases the

1043
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: rooting interest because they care about the guy. They want

1044
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: to see how he does. So this was a unique situation.

1045
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: I thought that, if anything, the way he beat him

1046
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: was impressive, but at the same time not impressive, because

1047
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 2: you know, he goes in there, he controls the fight.

1048
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: I think that he saw a one dimensional fighter in Petrosian.

1049
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 2: He knew what to do, he knew how to get

1050
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 2: it done. But I didn't really feel like he put

1051
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: him in enough bad spots, you know, like especially when

1052
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: you're saying, hey, he's a kickboxer, I'm a jiujitsu grappler guy,

1053
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: I'll take him down and you're not able to finish him,

1054
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: when you're saying that he's deficient on the ground. It

1055
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: can go both ways. It would have been nicer. I

1056
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: think that the UFC would have liked it if he

1057
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: got through that fight a little cleaner, like maybe a

1058
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: little more emphatically, but ultimately, man, he's a smart player,

1059
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: like he mentioned it, and I love guys who go

1060
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: out and he's like, I'm not a dumb fighter, man,

1061
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to fight the way that I need to

1062
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: fight to win. And why not. I mean, we just

1063
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: watched Izzy, the guy at the top of the food chain,

1064
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: right who basically did the same thing on a different level.

1065
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: So I'm like, however, you got to get it done

1066
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: because you want to keep that trajectory going north, you

1067
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: do it. I do think that he has a personality

1068
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: and a story that translates very well, and I agree

1069
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: with you about one to eighty five. Man, they need

1070
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: to have new guys getting up there. So he's got

1071
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: he's got a he can be expedited into this conversation

1072
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: if he if he keeps it up, I think he

1073
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: could be a player in the division at some point here.

1074
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean he's got four fights under Zuva,

1075
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: two with the Contender Series, and then in his second

1076
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: UFC fight he's in a comin event, granted on a

1077
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 1: fight night, but that was not a very big fight night,

1078
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: but still he got one. But he's decisioned both of

1079
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: the fights he had in UFC, and then the initial

1080
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: one and Contender series was as well. I mean, here's

1081
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: the point. I think he's obviously UFC level and he's

1082
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: an interesting prospect. But to me, it's like, dude, he's

1083
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: super green, super green. Like they're pushing this. They're trying

1084
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: to get the bananas out of the uh you know,

1085
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: you go to the pro section in the groceries and

1086
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: it's like all the bananas and greens, like, let's just

1087
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: get those now. It's like, yes, that might eventually be

1088
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: a tasty banana, but right now, right it's it's not

1089
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: necessarily all that can't even peel it and you peel

1090
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: it and it's like all hard and stuck. You know.

1091
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: It's like that. That's kind of where I feel like

1092
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 1: we're at. It's like they they really want to pump

1093
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: some fresh blood in there, and I get it. And

1094
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: he looked good, Like there's no I don't really have

1095
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: much to say about it. I guess you could say

1096
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: about the performance that it wasn't a lot of striking

1097
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: going on, Kyle Bhalio landing a total of twelve significant

1098
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: strikes in the entire fight. Four in round one, two

1099
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: in round two, and six in round three. That's not

1100
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: enough to beat very good guys, like really elite guys.

1101
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: That's not even close.

1102
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: So they're about that. The very beginning of that fight.

1103
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: He comes out and obviously he's he's setting things up

1104
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: for himself, like you know, it's what he wants to do.

1105
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: But he he struck with him and I think his

1106
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: hardest shots were landed in the first exchanges. He actually

1107
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: looked like he was gonna be on par And obviously

1108
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: it would be a stupid to just stand there and

1109
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: trade with a guy who's a kickboxer like that, but

1110
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: he actually look decent. Maybe he needs to try his

1111
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: hands a little more, you know what I mean, is

1112
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, Like, I didn't really feel

1113
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: like he looked bad in the moments you saw of

1114
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: him standing and trading there.

1115
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: No, he didn't. Again, I don't have much to say

1116
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: in the way of like, oh, this is terrible and

1117
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: this will always hold him back. But rather he had

1118
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: a guy pretty outmatched on the ground. I mean, Petrosian

1119
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: was not his equal on the ground at all, and

1120
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, controlled him for long stretches four and a

1121
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: half minutes, two minutes forty seven seconds in the second

1122
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: and then nearly three minutes in the third. I mean,

1123
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: this is a lot of control time and control time

1124
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: from a dominant position. But this is not the kind

1125
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: of thing that screams title contender right now, Nordon, Nor

1126
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: should it. He's two UFC fights in. It's just I

1127
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: want to be very clear. I like the guy. I

1128
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: think he's very good. I can't wait to see what

1129
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: he does again. But I saw some folks being like, oh,

1130
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: he's a future star. I'm like, you don't know that.

1131
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: You don't know that. It could be true. I don't

1132
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: know it either, but I can't declare it to be true,

1133
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.

1134
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: He's definitely got a good personality. I think that he's

1135
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: just a guy you watch right like you're gonna watch

1136
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: him to see how he does it. But yes, declare

1137
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: that he's going to be, you know, the next big thing.

1138
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: There's a lot to be seen there. Still, I mean,

1139
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 2: he needs to go against some guys who are like

1140
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: that are no names, you know what I mean, Like

1141
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: guys who are going to test him in other ways.

1142
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jerry, still I don't know one.

1143
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some of the big fights

1144
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: that were announced here in topic number four as we

1145
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: continue the show. So there were many that were announced,

1146
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: but there were three that I kind of wanted to

1147
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: pay attention to. I'm gonna go a bit out of

1148
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: order in the way I put them here. I believe

1149
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: it's the Abu dh upcoming Abu Dhabi card Sean Brady.

1150
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: It looks like I think ESPN had reported this is

1151
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: going to take on balal Mohammad. Now Sean Brady of

1152
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: course coming off that big win over Michael Kiessa, and

1153
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: then you had bal Mohammad beating Vicente Luke and a

1154
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: bunch of other folks recently as well, Bala Mohammed, a

1155
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: guy I have slept on but has really proven me wrong,

1156
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: proven to be a force at one hundred and seventy pounds.

1157
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: Brady I've been high on for a very long time.

1158
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: Job your sense of this matchup and what is at stake.

1159
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: It's a great fight. Actually, I think that sometimes when

1160
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: with Ballall especially, I know he wanted that fight with

1161
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: Hamzat right, like you want to kind of punch up,

1162
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 2: you want to go up towards where you're wanting to go.

1163
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: But I actually think this fight kind of makes some

1164
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: sense from both sides. I like the idea of Sean

1165
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: Brady getting like he's getting the guy that he wanted,

1166
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: but he's I think where he's stationed at five and

1167
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: oh this is one of those old school matchmaking things

1168
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: because you have a guy who's five and the user

1169
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: against the guy's won seven in a row. It's momentum

1170
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: against momentum. I don't really know who was a better

1171
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: name for Ballal to actually face that would be available.

1172
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: And I actually think that Sean Brady has some good

1173
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: juice right now, like because of where he's at, like

1174
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: he you know, he looked. He's looked very good in

1175
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: his last couple of fights that Jake Matthews when I

1176
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: mean like he just I the way he dominated that

1177
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: one before, you know, I was like, you know, that

1178
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: was an eye opener. So I think that he's got

1179
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: some good juice in that sense. It just I don't

1180
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: think ballall loses in it. It's not a crab white,

1181
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: crab wise motion to beat a guy like Sean Brady.

1182
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: I think it actually makes a very big declaration that

1183
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: that you are the guy you know who's who wants

1184
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: that title. Shart should get that title shot next awesome fight, man,

1185
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: I think Sean Brady, I'm sure have you done like

1186
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: one of the breakdowns for him, Like have you have

1187
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: you watched him critically in terms of that sort of

1188
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: thing or because I feel like he's.

1189
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: Got put together a Yeah, I haven't put together a

1190
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: presentation on it, but yes, I've watched talk with him

1191
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: privately about it. Yeah.

1192
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean I find him fascinating and I think he's good.

1193
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: Everywhere I know they call him brick house Like he

1194
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: just looks like he can go for days. I feel

1195
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: like he's super strong. I don't know if it's conveyed

1196
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: in his fights. But I just feel like if you

1197
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: were actually sparring against a guy like that, I think

1198
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,359
Speaker 2: you'd be like Jesus, it just looks like that guy.

1199
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 2: So I feel like, I'm I want to see more

1200
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: of what he's capable of because I feel like he

1201
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: will go on a big run. And who better, honestly

1202
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: than to take a guy like Ballall, who's that tough,

1203
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 2: who's on a good streak. I feel like this is

1204
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 2: a test man. And so when they made this fight,

1205
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: I knew it was going to happen. I thought it

1206
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: was one of the really good piece of matchmaking.

1207
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta tell you, we had Michael Kissa. We

1208
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: have a room Service diaries coming out with Michael Kiessa,

1209
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: which by the ways, are gonna love because he drank

1210
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: beer the whole time and it was a whole thing.

1211
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that dude. Yea, yeah, it was awesome.

1212
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: And you know, Michael Kissa at one seventy is a big,

1213
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: strong dude. Like you see him in person, You're like, damn,

1214
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: my man's been in the weight room, you know. And

1215
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: we asked him, we asked him like, what was so

1216
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: hard about fighting Sean Brady because ude, Michael Kissa had

1217
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: success on the feet in that fight but couldn't do

1218
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: shit in the grappling. And he was like, dude, you

1219
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: just he was you. He couldn't believe how strong Sean

1220
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: Brady was. Couldn't believe. And so think about that for

1221
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 1: a second, like, remember, this is the guy in Kisa

1222
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: that hit the one armed Camorra on Carlos Condent with

1223
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: his huge back and everything, and Brady was like so

1224
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: strong to him that it was it was overwhelming, Like

1225
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: Brady must be crazy strong. Yes, But dude, I'll say

1226
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: this about Balo Mohammed. He always comes in shape and

1227
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: he knows how to win rounds. He knows exactly how

1228
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: to apply his game. He knows exactly what his assignment

1229
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: is from moment to moment, from sequence to sequence. He

1230
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: has been there with very top guys in a way

1231
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: that Brady has not yet. So I'll tell you this,

1232
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: I think Brady is the guy to win this. And

1233
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: it does more for Brady than it does for Ballall.

1234
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: So I give Knits a Ballall for taking the fight.

1235
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: But it's a tough one. It's a close one. This

1236
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: is a real big test of exactly how far Brady excuse. Yeah,

1237
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: Sean Brady can go with this skill set. I think

1238
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: if you can go and dominate let's say Baloh Mohammed,

1239
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: it does make you think, Wow, maybe he could beat Kolby,

1240
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: maybe he could beat or give Kamaro a tough fight

1241
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: or something like that.

1242
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: I think you're right, and I'm anxious to see that

1243
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: guess thing because honestly, when I watched that fight, you

1244
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: kind of got that sense. And then with the the

1245
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Jake Matthews fight before, like I felt like there was

1246
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: an existential moment when you're like, dude, I don't know,

1247
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how to get in there. I don't

1248
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: know how to beat this guy. Like you could kind

1249
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: of see when it was like he was just like

1250
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with this guy, Like

1251
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 2: how do you get out of this this situation? What

1252
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: can I hit him with? Like it just and we

1253
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: and I think Matthews is really good. So the bottom

1254
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: line is, yes, I agree with you. I think that

1255
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: Ballall is just a he's a dog man. He's he's

1256
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: going to bring it, pressure wise, all that stuff. But

1257
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: you wonder if he kind of breaks in that fight,

1258
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: what that does say for Sean Brady. I think that

1259
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: this it's like perfect for Sean Brady, right because I

1260
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: don't know the rankings. I don't have him in front

1261
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 2: of me, but I believe if you want to look

1262
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: at the rankings and believe in it, the Ballall is

1263
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: like five or four, So like you're leap frogging right

1264
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 2: in there. And I think that that's the perfect situation

1265
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: for Sean Brady. And it's a great it's a great

1266
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: thing for the division because you got now a guy

1267
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: who you know, the the new blood, right, the new

1268
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: blood coming up to to kind of challenge those guys

1269
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 2: who've been up there a while.

1270
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, So Ballall is currently this could the

1271
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: course change because I don't know if they've updated the

1272
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: rankings just yet, but he currently sits at five and

1273
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: Brady at nine or the Brady had complained to me

1274
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: that he was I think after his win over Kiosa

1275
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: he was something like six or seven, and then just

1276
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: due to inactivity, he kind of kept getting bumped down.

1277
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: But he wasn't trying to be inactive. He just no

1278
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: one would take fights with him. So this is what

1279
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Like Blah Mohammed is risking a lot here.

1280
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: Now it's a huge win for him if he gets it, obviously,

1281
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: but he is risking more than what I think Brady

1282
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: is and so you have to really give the guy

1283
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: respect for that. Dude, Muhammad has never had it like this.

1284
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 1: Fucker has nothing but tough assignments in in his waltweight run.

1285
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: Now it really is commendous.

1286
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: Palms under the table, like, hey man, just take the

1287
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: fight please. You know what I'm saying.

1288
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: Totally know what you're saying. Okay. Another fight that was announced.

1289
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: This will be for September seventeenth. It will be the

1290
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: UFC main event, I believe, on a Fight Night card.

1291
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: Corey Sandhagen returns and takes on Song You Dong. This

1292
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: was reported first by mm A reporter Marcel Drf. Obviously,

1293
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: sand Haagen is a guy I'm sure you and I

1294
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: have pegged as someone who could be a title holder.

1295
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: I have a tremendous respect for as abilities. But old

1296
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: Song You Dong out there has really really turned into

1297
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: something special. This is a hell of a fight. Give

1298
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: me your sense of what you expect.

1299
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 2: So you know I was talking about the momentums of

1300
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 2: the last fight, right five versus seven and zero over

1301
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: the last bunch of fights. This is a weird one

1302
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: in the new matchmaking sense because Song You Dong, I

1303
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: think is just coming into his own twenty four years old,

1304
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: looking very good and now getting an assignment where I think,

1305
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: you know, this is again one of those leapfrog moments

1306
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: for a guy who if you're going to showcase, if

1307
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: you're going to style on somebody, and you're able to

1308
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: do that against a guy like sand Haagen, it puts

1309
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: you right in there.

1310
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: Man.

1311
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: But at twenty four years old, he's a phenom. If

1312
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 2: he does this as well, I think that people would

1313
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: really be paying attention to him obviously as a true contender.

1314
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: And sand Haagen is in that situation where he's lost

1315
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: a couple but there you know, he's going against the

1316
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: very best of the best. So as a bounceback fight,

1317
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: this is a very dangerous take right like he's he's

1318
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: going against a guy who could you know, put him

1319
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: on a spiral where now I always lost three in

1320
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: a row and a guy that we had I think

1321
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: the same as you, I kind of I circled him

1322
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: to be a champion at some point in this division

1323
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: would then have to be in a huge hole trying

1324
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: to get out of it. It's a very tough assignment.

1325
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: But I actually I love it in another sense because

1326
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: I think san Haagan is a guy who's very resilient mentally,

1327
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: and I think that you know, some guys get affected

1328
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: by losing straight and stuff like that. I feel like

1329
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys who would pack it into

1330
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: his motivation. He's going to show up in the best,

1331
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, the best form he can show up. So

1332
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: another I mean, I love it like some of these

1333
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: some of these fights that are coming out, the matchmaking

1334
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: is awesome, and I think that this one is right

1335
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: up there with him.

1336
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: Man. To me, this is a great fight for either

1337
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: guy because we start with san Haagen, right, So san Haagen,

1338
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: if he wins, obviously you get into the w column.

1339
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: That's nice to have. But the bigger issue is that

1340
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, he needs a tough opponent and a respectable opponent.

1341
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: But it was pretty clear because he fought Yon, and

1342
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: he fought Sterling, and he fought on TJ and I

1343
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: thought he was I thought he won the TJ fight,

1344
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: but it was very close. And again this is MMA,

1345
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: like close fights happened. Decisions don't always go the way

1346
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 1: you expect them or believe them that he should have gone.

1347
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: And so he has those three losses and it's pretty

1348
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: clear it's like, okay, you can give the championship got

1349
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the Stirling fight didn't go very well, but

1350
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, he gave Yon and he gave Dela Shaw

1351
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: in particular, very very tough fights at least for certain

1352
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: stretches of it. But he was left wanting there was

1353
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: a level above him that I think was pretty clear

1354
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: at that point. So now he needs to retool and

1355
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to go too far back. You still

1356
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: want a very difficult fight, but you want someone respectable.

1357
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: This is exactly that. This is the kind of way

1358
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: where you can if you beat this guy, you can

1359
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: and should be very proud. It's a significant win in

1360
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: that division and it gets you back on the path

1361
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: to really reclaiming a possible title future. So it really

1362
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: threads that needle in just the right way. On the

1363
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: other hand, if your song Ya Dong Corey represents something

1364
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: that's a little bit difficult for him, like Corey's movement

1365
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: and his stance switching and his angles and his in

1366
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: and out sort of style of attack, that is something

1367
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: I think song you dong is gonna have a hard

1368
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: time fighting. However, if he can beat a guy like that,

1369
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: a guy who is I would argue, a much more

1370
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: modern and movement based technician. Obviously he has the power,

1371
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: but it would represent not just beating a very good fighter,

1372
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: it represent a kind of fighter that you would might

1373
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: for example, if he didn't have the san Haagen fight

1374
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: and he was taking other fights on the way up,

1375
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't really get this question answered all that much,

1376
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: Like what does he do with a guy who can

1377
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: set angles and traps on him in the way that

1378
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: San Haagan does? You beat a guy like that, and

1379
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: you answer a ton of questions and as I mentioned

1380
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: with san Haagen, like your song your dong if nothing else,

1381
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: and he can do a lot more. But he can

1382
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: thump too. He's a big, powerful guy. So you get

1383
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: to answer and set right a lot of different things

1384
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: in motion, depending who you are here.

1385
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, by the way, like is there a favor?

1386
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: Uh?

1387
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: Like he's an agent now too? Is any like that

1388
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: dude is still wearing a ton of hats. He's agent.

1389
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: He's still Team Alpha mel right? Is he coaching? Like?

1390
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: It seems like he's up to a million things.

1391
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: Still, yes, we asked him about Song of Dong, and

1392
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: you can imagine how Brian introduced the question. I won't

1393
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: spoil it for you, but you're now Brian asked Uriah

1394
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: favor about Song a Doong, and I can only tell

1395
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: you that it was, depending on your view of Brian's humor,

1396
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: either very hilarious or very fringe.

1397
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: So I feel like it's real split down the middle, man,

1398
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 2: He's real split down the middle. But I love it.

1399
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: But but dude, he's he to your point, like songa

1400
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: Doong has put together like great wins. He has put

1401
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: together like he's really really turned the corner. He's still

1402
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: super young. This is I mean, not just a quality

1403
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: of pony. If he gets to win, this would be

1404
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: evidence of like real possible title future if you beat

1405
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: Corey Sanhagen.

1406
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man and twenty four years old. I mean,

1407
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: come on, he's like he's he gets into that conversation

1408
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: at a very young age. And I think that we

1409
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: don't see that as often as I think we did

1410
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: at one point, Like I felt like young guys in

1411
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: their mid twenties sometimes would show up in these uh

1412
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: in big spots. I don't see it as much. It

1413
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: seems like most guys are near thirty now when they

1414
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: finally break through, because it's just so difficult to do it,

1415
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so it would be

1416
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: he'd be one of the younger guys to be in

1417
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 2: that position for sure.

1418
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we all take I won't think for granted,

1419
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: but you really lose sight of like how insane it

1420
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: is that John Jones was like tossing people around, you know,

1421
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty two. It's like, yeah, man, that's insane,

1422
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: but he did. And then last but not least, this

1423
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: one's interesting. For women's flyweight, Mackenzie Dern is gonna be

1424
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: taken on Yon Chounon. This will be October first. By

1425
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: the way, the Ballaw and Brady fight will be a

1426
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: UFC two eighty one in October. This will also be

1427
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: on a Fight Night card. It will be headlining and

1428
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: Mackenzie darn takes on Yon Chounon. This was first reported

1429
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: by ESPN. Obviously, Chauonon is coming in off back to

1430
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: back losses. But I gotta tell you, old Dern out

1431
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: there has looked up and down depending on how you

1432
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: want to look at it. With the Hadriguez and the

1433
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: Tourist fight, because she had great moments in either. But then, yeah,

1434
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: you know what's amazing to me is this far in

1435
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: she is still beating good fighters, but her game is

1436
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: still wildly lopped sided. About this fight, I.

1437
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: Mean, it's a it's a it's a it's a fight

1438
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: set up for McKenzie. I think in the sense of

1439
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: if she's able to do what she does and get

1440
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 2: through it, like you could make the case, then that

1441
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: she's right there the Marina Hut. I don't even know

1442
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: what's going on with Marina Hudfrey is at this point,

1443
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: but she's got victories over both of these women, so

1444
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: she should be probably next. I don't really know like

1445
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: what's going on with with Carlos Spars at this point,

1446
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: but in terms of this matchmaking, I feel like the

1447
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: eyes are still on durn Right, Like I feel like

1448
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: she's one of those people who you know, she was

1449
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: a decorated jiu jitsu player, and I think that we're

1450
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: waiting to see how far she can take this thing

1451
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: in the UFC, And she's been kind of a marvel

1452
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: in a weird way because she was having all that issue,

1453
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 2: all those issues making weight but then she has a

1454
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: baby and now she doesn't have those issues. It's just

1455
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: kind of like it's not been a usual career. But

1456
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: I feel like she's gonna put herself into a big spo.

1457
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: This is already a big fight, But I think that

1458
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 2: she wins this. I think she's you know, she's probably

1459
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: as close as she's ever been to getting that title shot.

1460
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: And I'm always interested to see how she's kind of

1461
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: evolving in the sense. But I agree with you, like,

1462
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: so far, it's really just an extension of what she's

1463
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 2: been doing. She looks a little more polished, right, Like

1464
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: she's able to get things to her domain a little better,

1465
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: her entry points and all that stuff for grappling and

1466
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu. But like, I still feel like she's relying

1467
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: heavily on her one big strength, which she's a throwback

1468
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: in that sense to the earlier fighters who only needed

1469
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 2: the one element. Right, So this will be a good

1470
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: one because I think that you know, Yan is well rounded,

1471
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 2: and I think she'll test her in a lot of

1472
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 2: different ways in this fight.

1473
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, by the way to dead wrong myself, I

1474
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: said women's flyweight, it's not it's strawweight. Obviously, during sitting

1475
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: at four in the rankings, jan Hu Nan sitting at five.

1476
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: So that's probably the biggest reason why they got paired.

1477
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, if darn can't she can do

1478
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: some stuff on the feet for sure, But like if

1479
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: I told you she would never get a takedown and

1480
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: never even threaten on the ground, would you be like, oh,

1481
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: she could still win. Probably not, You'd be like, hell, well,

1482
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,959
Speaker 1: Shannon's gonna win that one. Right now, you're asking about Hadriguez.

1483
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: The issue is Jeong Wi Lee got that win in

1484
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: her last contest over Joanna, so then the winner of

1485
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: that was promised a title shot. I mean, Rodriguez to

1486
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 1: me is the is I mean, you know what's rightful anymore?

1487
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter if Rodriguez has the better winning

1488
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: streak or something up to this point if you wanted

1489
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: to say that, but Jeong Wi Lee got the favored

1490
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 1: situation by not just beating you one about beating her

1491
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: handily and then Carla is out or you know, taking

1492
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: a break or whatever to get healthy. So this is

1493
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: like it's not number one contender, but it's like one

1494
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: space behind that. But the thing is, it's like, if

1495
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: it's like I can totally see durn winning, but I

1496
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: have a really hard time looking at her overall game

1497
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: development and saying not that she couldn't persevere here, persevere here,

1498
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 1: persevere here, But if I told you, like what the

1499
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: game was and you hadn't seen it, I'm like, it's

1500
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: super lopsided. It's like, is that person going to be

1501
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: the best out of arguably the most competitive women's division

1502
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: in MMA. It's maybe, but I don't know. I'm just

1503
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: sort of skeptical about the whole thing. But she still

1504
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: finds ways to keep doing it. I guess, you know,

1505
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing.

1506
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 2: It's true. I wonder, I mean, this fight maybe it

1507
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: tells you something more. The bottom line is I am too.

1508
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: It's she's taken it pretty far, and I do feel

1509
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: like she kind of has the UFC still of approval.

1510
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: I think that USC would love to get her up

1511
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: there and into a title shout. I mean, at least

1512
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: that's the way. I felt like she was kind of

1513
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: groomed early. It was like she was getting more promo

1514
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: material than some of the other people in her position.

1515
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,479
Speaker 2: And I still feel like that's in play, like people

1516
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: kind of know who she is. But yeah, man, I

1517
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 2: feel like this will be this. You may see it.

1518
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: You may see it come out like where she's put

1519
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: into spots she hasn't been in. I mean, that's always

1520
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 2: the thing here. And yeah, I think it's a good one.

1521
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: Though.

1522
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 2: If Darren's able to do it, I think that it

1523
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: be gets that much more intriguing. It's funny that you

1524
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: mentioned Carlos Sparza though, is it as in a nose issue,

1525
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 2: and now that you're bringing this up, like she has

1526
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: a broken nose or something like that, I forgot all

1527
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 2: her injuries. Well whatever, that's kind of a mess at

1528
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: the top of the division. But obviously, like one of

1529
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: these people will will jump into that conversation.

1530
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: I guess I gotta tell you too. Like I always,

1531
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: we always kind of pegged, fairly or unfairly, Deran is

1532
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: like not the second coming of Rawsey, or that the

1533
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: UFC wanted exactly the same things out of her. I

1534
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: don't think that's true, but I do think they wanted

1535
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: something like that, right, They wanted something where they had,

1536
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, a someone who's reasonably attractive, who's got this

1537
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: amazing grappling skill set, who's young and vibrant and blah,

1538
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: blah blah and all this kind of stuff. She checks

1539
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes that Rawsey checked. And I

1540
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: hate to sort of comment on women's appearance in this

1541
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: way in a professional context, but the reality is what

1542
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: the reality is.

1543
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 2: So it is there's a reason that some of these

1544
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: some of these women end up on like the ABC

1545
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 2: showcases and things like that.

1546
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's just but it's so weird when I

1547
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 1: have to explain this to other people, Like I don't

1548
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: talk about my job outside of work unless I have to,

1549
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 1: but my neighbors are sorted picking up on what I do,

1550
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 1: and so when they see me and ask me, and then,

1551
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: like you know, it sort of turns into things and

1552
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, what about so and so fighter and

1553
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: this one? And I'm like, well, it depends to an

1554
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: extent on how good they are, and also does the

1555
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: fan base find them attractive? Like I mean, I just

1556
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, you have to. It's just it's a really

1557
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: unfortunate but relevant consideration anyway, not the most dominant one

1558
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 1: per se this conversation. I'm just saying there were some parallels,

1559
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: let's put it that way, made between Rowsey's career and

1560
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: let's say Dern's potential, and some of those are still

1561
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: very possible. To be clear, the Yon Shao Nan one

1562
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: isn't the ultimate test, but if she beats that dude,

1563
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ways, even though she lost to Hadriguez. Honestly,

1564
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: let's say this. If she goes in there and let's

1565
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,440
Speaker 1: say demolishes Yon Chau Nan, does she leap frog Hadriguez?

1566
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:03,959
Speaker 1: That is very possible.

1567
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: I think that that's entirely possible because we know that

1568
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 2: it's not based on the merit, you know what I mean?

1569
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 2: And I and that fight was close, right, it was

1570
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 2: a split decision when they fought. I believe it was

1571
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: a very close fight. I haven't went back and watched

1572
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 2: it again, but it was a it wasn't that definitive.

1573
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 2: So yeah, I could see a situation one where during

1574
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 2: LeapFrog's at bro.

1575
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: You know how awkward it is to go to like

1576
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: the park with my daughter, which I can't because we

1577
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: all have COVID in the house, which is super wonderful.

1578
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: But when I when I normally go and someone will

1579
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: walk up behind me, a dad and this crocs will

1580
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: walk up behind me and be like, yo, I love

1581
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: the show today with you in BC, I'd be like,

1582
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: what the fuck?

1583
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: Oh, man, I get it. I'm sure I get it

1584
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: enough where I know what you're talking about. But I'm

1585
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 2: sure you get it a lot more. You're very uh

1586
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, you're very tall man and very distincially, so

1587
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, you stick out a little

1588
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: more than I do. But uh, but yes, that is

1589
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: very weird. And it's like you just I don't want

1590
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 2: to turn on and talk about I agree with you

1591
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. It's like the last thing you want

1592
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,839
Speaker 2: to do is have casual conversations with everybody who recognize

1593
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 2: you about MMA.

1594
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: I know. It's like, do you think I want to

1595
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: talk about takedown? Yeah, five thirty PM, and I.

1596
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: Do fun times all right.

1597
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, there was a bit of boxing

1598
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I know that you're not the biggest

1599
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: boxing fan per se, but we'll talk about it here

1600
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: very quickly. Ray Vargas sort of moving up a weight

1601
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: class now becoming a two weight champion, beating Mark Mexio

1602
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: for the WC featherweight belt. He gets it done via

1603
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: split decision. Chuck, any thoughts about this one at all?

1604
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: If not well, the heavy lifting.

1605
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 2: Well you can do the heavy lifting because this is

1606
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: your domain. But I was able to catch it. I

1607
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: thought that Vargas was I don't get enough. I don't

1608
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: get a watch enough boxing. That's the problem. I love

1609
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 2: it when I watch it, and I love this type

1610
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: of fight the smaller guys because the exchanges are just

1611
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 2: so ridiculous and everything that was going on. I thought

1612
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 2: Vargas was controlling the fight honestly into that ninth round

1613
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 2: before you know, it gets dropped off. Yeah, yeah, it

1614
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: gets dropped and then it becomes a different kind of fight.

1615
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 2: But I ultimately agreed with the decision. But it was fun.

1616
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 2: And this is what you guys keep me honest. You

1617
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,000
Speaker 2: have me checking in on boxing from time to time,

1618
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: and I need to do that more and this was

1619
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: a fun one.

1620
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: For that. I know, I wish more MMA fans liked it,

1621
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: because I got to tell you the more. I actually

1622
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: have a point I want to make here in just

1623
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: a second. But boxing is great. It's especially great right now.

1624
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: It's obviously very different than MMA, totally different sensibilities, but

1625
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: for this particular fight, just for the folks who are

1626
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: the boxing heads out there, I thought that I agreed

1627
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: with Steve Farhood' scorecard. I gave the first couple of rounds,

1628
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: probably to mech SiO, and then after that I thought

1629
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: Vargas took over. He was doing this bit. Do you

1630
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: remember actually the Michael Johnson Dustin Partier fight where an

1631
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: uppercut way outside and then got hit with They tell

1632
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: you never to lead with an uppercut for that reason

1633
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: because if you just sort of stand there and then

1634
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: throw the uppercut, your defenses are probably going to be

1635
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: down on that same side obviously, right, because the hand

1636
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: is out in front of you and you haven't do

1637
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: anything else to bring their hands up, so you can

1638
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: just get tagged whatever the punch is. And he got

1639
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: drilled with one in the ninth round, sent to his knees,

1640
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: and then Maxio didn't do anything to really jump on

1641
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: him in the tenth and the commentators were like, dude, like,

1642
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: you're hurting this guy. What are you doing? He didn't,

1643
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: he was and.

1644
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 2: Vargas was on unsteady. I didn't feel like he had

1645
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: his bearings until the next round, so like, yeah.

1646
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: Well here's the thing. Maxio got to this point where

1647
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: I think this was a mandatory, although obviously you know

1648
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: it turned Vargus into a two eight world champion. But

1649
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: what was interesting about the bout was Mexio in the

1650
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 1: previous contest fought Gary Russell Junior, who is a Washington

1651
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: DC product who is very, very skilled, but he broke

1652
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: his hand his jab hand or no, sorry, what am

1653
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: I saying? He messed up his shoulder his so I'm

1654
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: left handed, so he messed up Gary Russell Junior did

1655
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: his right shoulder, which is obviously leading into your jab.

1656
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: So Gary Russell Junior couldn't jab for like ten rounds

1657
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: barely ever see it. Yeah, and Mexio still like didn't

1658
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: turn on the gas like this dude, Mexio when he

1659
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: throws and he was intercepting, he can bomb on Bamas

1660
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: like he can throw. But there's a little bit of

1661
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: a question about the decision making going on with some fight.

1662
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: I q ish I had to put it those ways,

1663
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit true. And this was a

1664
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: split decision. You wonder it's like if you turn it

1665
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: on just a little bit more at the end there

1666
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: A could have gotten a stoppage because his power is

1667
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 1: legit and b maybe gotten the decision nod. So it

1668
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: tells you he's like at that championship level, but hasn't

1669
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: quite fully turned that corner, if that makes sense.

1670
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: Those types of losses are they you know, he won

1671
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 2: the first one against Russell, but like that type of

1672
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: performance is kind of stick with you too when you

1673
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 2: know that, especially in this last fight, and if you're

1674
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 2: a protege, right, and that's kind of that's kind of

1675
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: why people are paying attention to Filipino protege of pac

1676
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: Man and you're getting that rub God, you just want

1677
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: to see him capitalize in the moments they should, you

1678
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he should be I felt like,

1679
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 2: you know, he should be a bigger name and I

1680
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: know that's kind of difficult to get some of these

1681
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: guys over to the broader public and especially the combat

1682
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 2: public in general, but like he should be a bigger

1683
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 2: name man. Just watching his fights previously, I know how

1684
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: good he is, so I wish he could. Uh, I'm

1685
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: with you, I know what you're saying, Like it feels

1686
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: like he's a little withheld when he shouldn't be.

1687
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: But folks don't even know how fight crazy the Philippines

1688
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: are in general. Obviously they have more than just you know,

1689
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: they have Casamiro and a lot of other good boxers

1690
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: and from the Philippines and have had a good, long

1691
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,840
Speaker 1: history for a long time. But just on the MMA

1692
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: side of things, let me explain something to you folks

1693
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: out there. When Pacquiao was like not even like pre Floyd,

1694
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: like around Hatton or d La Hoya. You know this too,

1695
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: Chuck on MMA fighting, we would put up some results

1696
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: posts like you know, paquyal versus whoever the fuck, and

1697
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: we would watch the traffic pour in. But I want

1698
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: to explain where it came from. Yes, a lot of

1699
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 1: the United States and all the places wh people are

1700
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: boxing fans. He was a worldwide name for obviously in

1701
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: his peak. But dude, we would you can see the

1702
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: location of where we would come in and there'd be

1703
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: this like these old school like forum pages all based

1704
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,599
Speaker 1: in the Philippines. Someone in the Philippines would link an

1705
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,599
Speaker 1: MMA fighting post or whatever, and the traffic would pour

1706
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,560
Speaker 1: in like zombies running over the hills. You couldn't believe

1707
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: how much traffic was coming from these places. Do the

1708
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: Philippines Obviously Pakia is a very special case, but the

1709
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: level of enthusiasm there for their fighters is extraordinarily high.

1710
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of crazy, because I think that we equate,

1711
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: you know, really enthusiastic enthusiastic fandom to like Ireland or

1712
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: the UK, right like places where you can they get

1713
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 2: a guy and or they get several fighters and you

1714
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 2: can see it. But I feel like that's true and

1715
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 2: Pakiao obviously is a big reason for that. In the Philippines,

1716
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 2: my brother was stationed over there for a long time

1717
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 2: and when he was in the military, and he'd mentioned this,

1718
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: you know that they were they were kind of like

1719
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: whatever national heroes they get, you know, who have come

1720
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 2: up and do things, they they really get behind, and

1721
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: their fan their level of fandom is kind of one match.

1722
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 2: So it's a uh, it's not surprising, to be honest, man,

1723
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 2: But I guess that's why. I guess that's why you

1724
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: would have liked to you. I kind of I don't

1725
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: want to see a guy who's that good not be

1726
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: as good as he can because I always think that

1727
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: that's healthy for the fight game in general. When you

1728
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: get guys who basically represent a country like that, you

1729
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like when they represent a country

1730
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 2: and you can feel that enthusiasm coming out of that country,

1731
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 2: that is always a win win for combat sports.

1732
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: Do you remember when the UFC wanted to go to

1733
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: the Philippines with Brandon Vera?

1734
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah for that, yes, yeah, yeah, I remember that, and.

1735
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: They did briefly, not with him, I don't think, but

1736
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: they went with uh. I think it was Edgar and

1737
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: Faber thought in Manila, if memory that's right.

1738
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I believe you're right.

1739
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: And and think I think one might one championship. Obviously

1740
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: Brendan Vera has been with him for a long time,

1741
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: was the heavyweight champion, and I think they went. But

1742
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, you're asking about UK and Ireland. You know,

1743
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: the US, the sport is still Western centric in terms

1744
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: of where the money is, and obviously the Philippines is,

1745
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: you know, by comparison to poor country. But it would

1746
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: be nice to be able to see, like we never

1747
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: got to see Pacquiao fight in Manila or whatever, which

1748
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, some good reasons for that, but it is.

1749
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: It is a quietly, very powerfully enthusiastic combat sports hub.

1750
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what it was enthusiastic, Like I didn't

1751
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: realize the traffic on those I love that you know

1752
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: that stuff because uh, you used to monitor it. I

1753
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: never really monitored it, but.

1754
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: That's old Boston. I would just look at it and

1755
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck? Yeah, man, like, well, thousands

1756
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: per like, tens of thousands per like second, just wow,

1757
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: just tidle waves because you do also see these MMA

1758
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: fans complain like why are all covering this Pacquia fight?

1759
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: Fuck y'all, and we'd be like, well, because we can

1760
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 1: sell a month's worth of AD inventory in one fucking

1761
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: night when he fights. That's why it's It was that simple,

1762
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,560
Speaker 1: you know. Now, I did want to mention something. I

1763
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to mention something. Also on this card, I

1764
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw it. If he didn't, it's okay.

1765
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: But Brandon Figure, who previously lost to Stephen Fulton Junior

1766
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: in the Fight of the Year contest, he moved up

1767
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 1: one way class and then this was his return fight,

1768
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: and I noticed something with him. Yes, I had seen it,

1769
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: not as much in the Fulton fight. Here he has

1770
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 1: taken on his opponent Costro Carlos Costro, and I tweeted

1771
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: about it. I couldn't record my screen. I'm gonna put

1772
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: up something about it. Let me tell you something I've noticed, Chuck.

1773
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any thoughts about it.

1774
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: Probably not, because it's just occurred to me. So we

1775
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 1: always talk about how stance switching in these sort of

1776
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: funky things where a MMA, you know, this is what

1777
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: as I do, people and the trainers are always tinkering

1778
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: with stuff, right, what's a little little twist we can

1779
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: do on this technique or this grip or this step

1780
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,799
Speaker 1: or whatever, And so you get a lot of crazy development.

1781
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 1: Some of it works, some of it doesn't. But one

1782
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: thing I've noticed is you're getting, you know, a lot

1783
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: more boxing sensibility. Guys like Adrian Yanez who come out

1784
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: and you know, openly tell you that they study boxers

1785
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: and then sort of bring that stuff into the MMA game.

1786
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: And it's happening now. I don't know. In fact, it

1787
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: probably is not the case at all that MMA is

1788
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: influencing boxing. But one thing I can say that I

1789
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: have seen fairly regularly at this point is Number one,

1790
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 1: I am watching a lot more stant switching in boxing

1791
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: than I have ever seen. It's been happening for a

1792
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: long time. Famously, Haggler did it. Lots of guys have

1793
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: done it, but it's usually in the way like Dustin

1794
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: Puarier might do it. Where it's very shortened, windowed, it's

1795
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: got a real specific purpose, usually distance closing, you know

1796
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So I'm seeing a lot more

1797
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: of it in boxing, and I'm seeing it very, very

1798
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: heavily concentrated among boxers in their twenties, which I don't

1799
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,719
Speaker 1: mean to suggest they do it out of naivete, far

1800
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 1: from it. I have a feeling that this next wave

1801
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: of boxers coming up are going to be doing stant

1802
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,560
Speaker 1: switching significantly more than those predecessors ever did. Now I

1803
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 1: could be totally wrong about that, but I tweeted about it,

1804
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:45,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of the boxing heads said I was

1805
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of onto something. If I am right. Let's assume

1806
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: for the second that I am right. What do you

1807
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: make of that?

1808
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting, now you tell me, because I

1809
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: know that you talked to a lot of trainers and

1810
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But I do feel like there are

1811
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: a lot more boxing trainers who train MMA guys, right,

1812
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: like more than there used to be way more. Yeah,

1813
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: So it's like, I do feel like there's a crossover,

1814
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: and it would just be natural at some point when

1815
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: you're discussing, you know, best tactics in terms of like

1816
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: getting off your offense on the feet right right forward

1817
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 2: to translate into boxing if they see the success right

1818
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: in MMA, so I wouldn't be surprised. And it's almost

1819
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: like what with MMA has done where for the longest

1820
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: time you had that singular discipline, or maybe you had

1821
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: something you were very good at and you kind of

1822
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: stuck to that. But then there was this age where

1823
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 2: certain guys were like, no, no, no, I got into

1824
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 2: jujitsu and muay Thai at the same time. I learned

1825
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 2: all of it at the exact same time. You almost

1826
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: wonder if it starts to happen like a little bit

1827
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: of an evolution where you see somebody doing it. Maybe

1828
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 2: it is MMA influence, maybe it's not, but the you know,

1829
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: switching stances and stuff like that proves effective and then

1830
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 2: pretty soon it just becomes part of the norm for

1831
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: a twenty year old who's learning right like, you just

1832
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: start to see it as part of what you're supposed

1833
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 2: to do. I do think that these two things intersect

1834
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 2: more than we realize, you know, I And a lot

1835
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: of it is because the trainers, you know, they work

1836
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: in both fields, you know what I mean, They see

1837
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: what what's effective. They break down a lot of tape. Uh.

1838
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: There's so many guys in the gym now who coach

1839
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: both things. So I could see that for sure, man,

1840
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: especially with the guys who are the impressionable guys coming

1841
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 2: up and they're trying to find new advantages, you know

1842
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 2: what I mean, So that would make sense.

1843
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: There's a guy out of Philly, by the way, his

1844
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 1: boys with Sean Brady. I don't have ever heard of him,

1845
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 1: Jern Ennis. He's a boxer. He's the mandatory for Eryl

1846
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: Spence and you obviously they're probably gonna do Spence Crawford,

1847
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: but in terms of one of Spence's titles, he's the mandatory.

1848
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 1: He's the best upcoming boxer I think on the planet

1849
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 1: independent of weight class. Yeah, but so so number one.

1850
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: Trying didn't know he was with I didn't know his

1851
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 2: boys with Brady.

1852
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: That's crazy, man, Yeah, now wild Like go look on

1853
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: their comments. They always comment on each other on their

1854
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 1: all their Instagram posts. And we talked. I talked him

1855
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 1: about it like they for like a couple of camps ago.

1856
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: Jarn Ennis was holding pads for Sean Brady unto getting

1857
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: his boxing work in. Like dude, they're pretty closely associated

1858
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: and he might be not only just the best upcoming

1859
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: boxer independent of way class, he's also an incredible stance switcher.

1860
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what the explanation is, but to me,

1861
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: it is very interesting and unusual that all these guys

1862
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: in their twenties, not exclusively, not exclusively, but predominantly in

1863
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: their twenties are doing not just the occasional stance switch,

1864
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: but making a big habit and show of it in

1865
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: a way that their predecessors are not. Could also just

1866
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 1: be like the digital era where you can just see

1867
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: so many crazy things and people are wanting to try

1868
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: it and it's working, and then to your point, everyone's

1869
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: a copycat. I don't know what the answer is, but

1870
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: I want folks out there to pay attention. If you

1871
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: see two guys in the twenties, pay attention to something

1872
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: like that.

1873
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: God, I just I would encourage everybody. I told Brian

1874
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: this too when we were talking some boxing the last

1875
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: time I filled in for you. I think, like, pay

1876
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: attention to the boxing. I think that at this point,

1877
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 2: like you can appreciate it and it's at the best.

1878
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: I think it's at the most healthy market's been in

1879
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: for a long, long, long long time. Man with all

1880
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 2: the names, all the all the brilliant champions and good

1881
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 2: challenges that are coming up. I just feel like it's

1882
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 2: in a very healthy space, and it feels like it

1883
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 2: has a resurgence and there's a little bit of a

1884
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 2: boom boom period, you know what I mean. So pay

1885
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 2: attention to it. Man, it's fun.

1886
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: All right. Well, it's no longer time for you and

1887
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: us to be asking each other questions. I probably keep

1888
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: doing it. It's time for the viewers to ask us.

1889
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: It's time for dms from dalks. He huw all that

1890
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: good stuff. I might I might drag all my vape,

1891
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: put some vape on top of my coach.

1892
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1893
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,320
Speaker 1: All right, Now for the producers watching, because we didn't

1894
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: get to this question during the RDA segment, we're going

1895
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: to do the six questions today, so very quickly. I

1896
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 1: guess we'll start with point number five. This is from

1897
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 1: Nate the Great lux So to the point that we

1898
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: had raised previously, Chuck, if he ends his career today,

1899
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: let's say, has a press conference and calls it today,

1900
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: does RDIA go into the Hall of Fame? And I

1901
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: want to point this out before you answer it. I've

1902
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 1: had not a e because I kind of dismissed it

1903
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: offhand at first, and then when BC went through it,

1904
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: it made a lot of sense. BC argues that Rdia's

1905
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 1: case for getting into the Hall of Fame is greater

1906
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: than Michael Bispings. And I don't have an issue with

1907
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 1: bis being getting in such as it is, but if

1908
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: he's going to be in, BC's point is RDA is

1909
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 1: a shoe in What do you think.

1910
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: That's a great way to look at it, because I

1911
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 2: feel like what Bis Being's they have a very similar

1912
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: thing other than this being winning and in the twilight

1913
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 2: of his career and obviously having a crazy story with

1914
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 2: his eye. I don't even know how all that factor's

1915
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 2: in to the to the general Hall of Fame thing,

1916
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: but I you know, we've we've had this discussion before too.

1917
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: But that is the close closest example if you're asking

1918
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 2: for a guy like Dosianos to get in because he's

1919
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 2: fought the who's who, he's did it for a long time,

1920
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: he actually spent time as a champion, and him winning

1921
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 2: that champion. Let's put it this way, man, the ass

1922
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 2: whooping he put on Anthony Pettis at UFC one to

1923
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: eighty five was one of the most memorable things from

1924
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: years because it was just something I'd never seen, you

1925
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: just never seeing Anthony Pittis work that way. He had

1926
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 2: the one defense against Serroni and then you know, and

1927
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: then and I think that was the Eddie Alvarez fight.

1928
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 2: So like you get like you could look at his

1929
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 2: run as pretty pretty short, but you just look at

1930
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 2: the guys he's faced. And if you're building on merit,

1931
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 2: like the merit of just facing every guy scoring victory,

1932
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 2: some good victories, you lose a few, but you're standing

1933
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: in there against all of them, I suppose you could

1934
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: make the case. But now are we talking like you're

1935
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 2: talking about the actual UFC Hall of Fame, right, is

1936
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 2: that what we're talking about? Because I'm like, now I

1937
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 2: say this as kind of like a like if it

1938
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,800
Speaker 2: was an independent Hall of Fame, like like we're you know,

1939
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 2: those types of things would matter from the UFC's perspective.

1940
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how they'd see it, but I think

1941
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: that that Bisping reference you made, if you're going to

1942
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 2: put Bisping in there, Honestly, man, if you're gonna do that,

1943
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 2: there's really no reason a guy like RDA he would

1944
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: not be a slam dunk. I think that there are

1945
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: so many other guys and there's really no like timetable

1946
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: like that. You don't have to have a time lapse

1947
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 2: of four years or whatever it is in the sport. So,

1948
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: but there are so many other guys who are kind

1949
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 2: of recently leaving the game and all that stuff that

1950
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 2: might get in before him. But I would think that

1951
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: he would have a pretty strong case.

1952
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, after he lost to Tivoo, you know,

1953
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: which was all the way back at twenty eleven, he

1954
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 1: beat Kamal Schaalaruse, Anthony and Jikawani, Mark Bochik, Evan Dunham,

1955
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: Donald Saroni, then lost to Habib, which whatever, he lost

1956
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 1: to Habib, Yeah, then goes to and beats Jason Hyde,

1957
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,240
Speaker 1: Benson Henderson, Nate Diaz, Anthony Pettis, and Donald Saroni. So

1958
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: really the only blemish there would be the Habib fight. Yeah, dude,

1959
01:26:33,320 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: I can't overstate this. You put it out there, dude.

1960
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:39,280
Speaker 1: The beating he put on Pettis was extraordinary in every

1961
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: phase of the game, and it was a brutal one

1962
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 1: on top of it. And I don't know if a

1963
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: lot of folks. I remember the this was correct if

1964
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, This was right after they gave Petess the

1965
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: Weedies box, right, It was something like this, and then

1966
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: dos Angeos went in there and roughed him up, like

1967
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: I had to put tremendous respect for that guy.

1968
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: They put Petis on the box in December. I was

1969
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 2: at that event. I remember them unveiling it in Vegas.

1970
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 2: I think this fight happened in March, so it was like,

1971
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: you know, it was literally the next event. But yes,

1972
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: I think that Pettis was at it. Like again, he

1973
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: faced a lot of guys who I think were at

1974
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 2: the very top of their game when he faced them,

1975
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 2: and that Pettus one. I just remember the dude. I

1976
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 2: should go back and watch it sometime. But the way

1977
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: he just kind of like that pressure. It was. It

1978
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 2: was relentless, you know what I mean. It was just

1979
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: straight relentlessness.

1980
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: It was.

1981
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: It was.

1982
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: It was one of those times where we're like, dude,

1983
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Pettis is trapped in there with him. He's trapped in

1984
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 1: there with him. Yeah. And by the way, I bring

1985
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 1: this up too, So he lost the Alvarez fight, you know,

1986
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 1: and Eddie. Eddie had his moment in the Sun, and

1987
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't take that away from him at all. And

1988
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: then of course Ardia followed that with a Ferguson loss.

1989
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: But I bring this up too, that was like peak Ferguson.

1990
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: That was in Mexico City, five rounds in, you know,

1991
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: above seven thousand feet elevation, and you know, Ferguson at

1992
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: that point was nearly impossible to beat at that weight.

1993
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: So you know, the guy never shied away from a

1994
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 1: tough challenge. All right, So you think, how about this

1995
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:10,799
Speaker 1: to the uf Hall of Fame? Yeah, yeah, I do, okay, yeah,

1996
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: all right? Uh to punch drunk Pete. On last week's show,

1997
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: Luke praised Donald Serrone as one of the very best

1998
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: fighters have never captured UFC gold. In your opinion, I'll

1999
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 1: pitch this to you, Chuck. They asked for top five.

2000
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: You don't have to give me five, but you get

2001
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: like three three. Give me three people in UFC history

2002
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 1: that never became a champion that was like the very

2003
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: best you could think of. I had Serony as one

2004
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: of those. What else was you? Okay?

2005
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 2: Maybe? I mean I always mentioned Dan Henderson like his

2006
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: thing was a little weird because he came over later

2007
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 2: in his career, but like he had the opportunities. I thought,

2008
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 2: I just thought that he would be a shoe in

2009
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: to win gold at some point. He's never he just

2010
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 2: never got it done. I suppose you could throw like

2011
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 2: Joseph Benavidez in there, because I mean I felt like

2012
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 2: they created the flyweight division for him to rule, and

2013
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: it just never happened. It became Demetrius Johnson's show, and

2014
01:29:00,240 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: he was just like this man without a country because

2015
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,839
Speaker 2: he'd already lost in ban some weight. But he seemed

2016
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 2: like a shoe win at some point. I thought he

2017
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 2: was the best, but there was always one guy who

2018
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: was just better in the division. So I would probably

2019
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: put his name in there too.

2020
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: I'll throw it put disputed, so I'll throw in in

2021
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 1: that list as well.

2022
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one man.

2023
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Now he is not out of the running for a title,

2024
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 1: he's obviously not so far away from it. But in

2025
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: terms of where we're speaking right now, that would be

2026
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: a name you would want to put in there as well.

2027
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 2: Now, do we consider Tony Ferguson like having one one?

2028
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it was like such a.

2029
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: Bizarre no because it was interim, So you could put

2030
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Tony Tony.

2031
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 2: I probably I probably put him in. I mean, that

2032
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 2: run was ridiculous in that division, so I'd probably throw

2033
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: him in there too.

2034
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: Uh. My daughter is turning back into a pumpkin, which

2035
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: means it's nap time, all right. You might hear her

2036
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: just pointing it out from David Underscore Ariola. One. If

2037
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: your air wins versus Ortega, which is this coming weekend

2038
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: on NB or ABC, Excuse me, do you think Volcal

2039
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: will stick around at weight to take on a new

2040
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: challenge or will he still go to lightweight? What do

2041
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: you think? Oh?

2042
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 2: Man, that's a great one.

2043
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: I think I feel when I asked that one. Yes, okay, quickly, Chuck,

2044
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: I'll say yes. And the reason why is because we

2045
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: still we don't really have a champion at one hundred

2046
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: and fifty five pounds. They kind of have to sort

2047
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yes, If yeah Ear wins, it's new,

2048
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 1: you can sell it. It's exciting, and it gives him

2049
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: just enough time to set that in motion and then

2050
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: go to one fifty five depending on the result there.

2051
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: That's true. And even I mean, Josh Emmett's still there

2052
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 2: right like you still got I don't know, I feel

2053
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: like going to one fifty five is premature, honestly, because

2054
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 2: there are guys who that could face him. I think

2055
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 2: that you're right, though, I think the bigger issue is

2056
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 2: they need to sort out now you know that that

2057
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 2: lightweight to it's crazy that one half what is half

2058
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 2: a pound whatever has like thrown such a monkey wrench

2059
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 2: into so many guys' careers that want to do these

2060
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: like all these things want to but it's just like

2061
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 2: I think that they got to sort that out too,

2062
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what the rush would be, to

2063
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: be honest.

2064
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: All right from Cole Underscore Brown eight five eight. If

2065
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: you could go back and watch any MMA slash boxing

2066
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:15,639
Speaker 1: event live, I guess they mean in person. Okay, which

2067
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 1: one would it be? This guy goes two o five

2068
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: or UFC to eighty seven? Has UFC two eighty seven?

2069
01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: No?

2070
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Has it?

2071
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 2: He's projecting?

2072
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 1: You know that's seven. Can tell you this. If I

2073
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: could go back and watch anything live, but sure as

2074
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: fuck wouldn't be MMA. I would go back to U

2075
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: like the Rumble in the Jungle or something like that.

2076
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh you know, well, those those fights particularly, they're just

2077
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:41,799
Speaker 2: they've been translated into lore. Right, like everybody compares anything

2078
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 2: that comes up to you know, Frasier versus Ali and

2079
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 2: all these things. So yes, to see one of those

2080
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 2: types of fights or the Foreman one like you mentioned

2081
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 2: just given like for me man, like the types of

2082
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 2: writers who were there, like you know, Norman Mailer and

2083
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 2: George Plumpton, all the people who went over to Africa.

2084
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: I can see that. To be among that, you know

2085
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 2: that at atmosphere and just the whole thing, that would

2086
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: be pretty crazy. I probably go back to the Dempsey

2087
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 2: Carboneer like first million Dollar Gate like too, like nineteen twenties,

2088
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: you know, like see what that was like, because first

2089
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 2: of all, you're seeing what life was like in the

2090
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties, but you'd be then watching boxing in its

2091
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: most formative moment, you know what I mean, Like where

2092
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,519
Speaker 2: you're seeing like one of the biggest events that had

2093
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 2: ever happened at that moment. So it would but it

2094
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 2: would definitely be an old boxing event. It would not

2095
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 2: be an MMA. There's just too much history to boxing.

2096
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, it's like I've lived through most of MMA's history.

2097
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people missed it.

2098
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: I did, you know, I suppose And it's funny like

2099
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: the one that I regret not going in terms of

2100
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: MMA as UFC one because I actually lived in Denver

2101
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety three. I remember seeing the signs, but

2102
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 2: you just didn't pay any attention to it, you know

2103
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 2: what I mean. I was like, I just ignored it.

2104
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: But if I could go back, I'd obviously hit that one,

2105
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,719
Speaker 2: because that would that would have been cool to have seen.

2106
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: All right from I don't know how to pronounce this.

2107
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: It's either a slimmy limmy or slimy lmy. I have

2108
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: a feeling I know which one it is. But if

2109
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: you could ask three questions to Dana that he would

2110
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: have to answer truthfully like he was Jim Carrey and

2111
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,800
Speaker 1: liar liar, what would those be? Give me one from

2112
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: you juck man like that? So you can't go to

2113
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: a truth serum and he has to tell.

2114
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 2: The truly shit. Can you imagine? Ah, there's well, I

2115
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,679
Speaker 2: think that I would ask him just because we've dealt

2116
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: with him. I don't know when you started. I've dealt

2117
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: with him for fourteen fifteen years and some capacity. I

2118
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 2: would ask him point blank what he believes the role

2119
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 2: of media is in the sport. I would just like

2120
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 2: to know what his answer is to this, like, I

2121
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 2: would like to know what he really believes and if

2122
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 2: he couldn't lie about it, I would just like to

2123
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 2: know what he really believes media should be in the sport.

2124
01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,720
Speaker 1: It's interesting and the role of media has changed since

2125
01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: we got into you know, there's a lot more people

2126
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,720
Speaker 1: doing it the way I was doing it before, which

2127
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: was kind of on the periphery. It used to be

2128
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: like you had to go to the events, you had

2129
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: to be part of the action exactly. There was considered

2130
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: the most prestigious thing, and now certainly there is prostige

2131
01:33:57,160 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: associated with that, but there's all different ways in fact

2132
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: to skin this cat. And I think a lot of

2133
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: it is the policies that they've put in. They've kind

2134
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,840
Speaker 1: of forced media to be a little bit like, yeah,

2135
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go to the event, Versus before

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01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: it was like if you got your credentials taken, that

2137
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: was the end. Now it's like, yeah, true, not that

2138
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: it's great to have your credential stick or anything like that.

2139
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 1: But by the way, a UFC doesn't really do that hardly.

2140
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Harley at all anymore, but I know

2141
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: that they still have many blocks on the books but

2142
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 1: but now I don't.

2143
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Think I don't think Dana Care is anymore enough for

2144
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 2: that sort of thing.

2145
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 1: So I also think I also have a I don't

2146
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,519
Speaker 1: know this for a fact. I have a feeling Disney

2147
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 1: is like you can do what you want with a

2148
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:38,560
Speaker 1: lot of things. There's some things you can't do. Yeah,

2149
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 1: So I think there's over that. That's one question I

2150
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: would ask. I'd ask another one. Oh man, there's there's

2151
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: some they're not even suitable for air.

2152
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 2: This is the best kind loop.

2153
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it's like that's the one to get

2154
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:56,679
Speaker 1: you fired. What's one that I would ask? It would

2155
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 1: beat around fighter pay. I think, yeah, yeah, probably something

2156
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: along the lines of do you you know here's the questions,

2157
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 1: like does he does he genuinely believe that what they

2158
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: pay is a suitable rate? Because the way he kind

2159
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: of talked about it, like the boxers and was like, oh,

2160
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: they're all overpaid. It'd be one thing to be like, oh,

2161
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: they're underpaid and I disagree, it'd be another one to

2162
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 1: be like like he just genuinely believes that twenty percent

2163
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 1: are actually less than that seventeen eighteen percent, that that's

2164
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: a fair market rate. I don't know how you get

2165
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: him to tell a truthful question that way? Yeah, but

2166
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:36,839
Speaker 1: probably along the lines.

2167
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 2: If he can't lie, I mean you could straight up

2168
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 2: just ask him, Hey, what's the biggest the biggest fleeced

2169
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,120
Speaker 2: job you ever did? Which card was it that? Like

2170
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: you fleeced everybody the most? Will you know?

2171
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2172
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean any of the numbers would be fascinating. If

2173
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 2: he can't lie, I mean, it would just be like.

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01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. You know, there's plenty of questions

2175
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 1: asking about Dana, but every promoter lies, like you just

2176
01:35:57,200 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: can't be a promoter in boxing.

2177
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Or now you got to be a good liyer to

2178
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 2: a good promoter, you know.

2179
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: A finesse. So I would ask him, what's the lie

2180
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 1: that you got away with the most? Like, what's the

2181
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:10,800
Speaker 1: one that the public just bought that was like wow?

2182
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 1: Except Jesus, okay, great?

2183
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 2: You know you know, oh, you know there's something like

2184
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 2: that that they go behind closed doors and they laugh about,

2185
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, you know, there's some

2186
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: that would be fascinating to have that answer.

2187
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: All right, Last, but not least from four Paws Run,

2188
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,000
Speaker 1: which I'm guessing is some kind of dog org most

2189
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: most important question of all asking for Luke and BC,

2190
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 1: but it'll be for Chuck. Chuck. What's your favorite breed

2191
01:36:34,360 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: of dog?

2192
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Oh god, uh well, I have never I've always had

2193
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,000
Speaker 2: like mutts, and I have a pit bull like mix

2194
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,840
Speaker 2: right now. Like uh so, I I mean I like,

2195
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 2: I like rescues, you know, I like the go get

2196
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 2: it read. But if you're asking me what like, I've

2197
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 2: always liked Boston Terriers, Like when I see them, I

2198
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 2: can't I always have to go, uh you know, pet

2199
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,760
Speaker 2: them and and and talk to them. I was trying

2200
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 2: to think we my father had boxer boxer dogs, which

2201
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 2: were really cool, so they'd probably be up there having

2202
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 2: affinity towards them. How about you.

2203
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 1: I'll say this, growing up, I liked hounds a lot, Bloodhounds,

2204
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 1: Southern yeah, Wymerners, pointers, that kind of a thing. Yeah,

2205
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 1: But then I know obviously have a soft spot for mastiffs.

2206
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,479
Speaker 1: I think they're fucking awesome. But the reality is this, dude,

2207
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a dog breed. I mean

2208
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 1: there are in the sense that we have we have

2209
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: made it that way, but they are not naturally occurring.

2210
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: These all those breeds, they're just inbred. And I know

2211
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,840
Speaker 1: sometimes folks like reject that or that's news to them. No, no, no,

2212
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm not making it up. They're all inbred. It's why

2213
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 1: all these breeds have like, for example, bulldogs can't even

2214
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: have like live natural birth. They all have to be

2215
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: c section because the head is too large. They all

2216
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: have They all get cancers and hip dysplasias and everything.

2217
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: You want to get a mutt. You want to get

2218
01:37:57,160 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: a mutt, you should go to your local pound and

2219
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: your shelter and go get one. They're the best dogs.

2220
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 1: They need a little bit of help, you know. Sometimes

2221
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,639
Speaker 1: they come a little fucked up, you know, but yeah,

2222
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 1: nothing that you can't fix with some with some diligent training,

2223
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 1: and you're not going to get an inbred dog. I

2224
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:13,719
Speaker 1: have two months up here, one twelve, one sixteen, going strong, dude,

2225
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: and most bulldogs don't see past eight or nine for

2226
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: crying out.

2227
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: That's true, That is true. The rescue is the way

2228
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: to go, man.

2229
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,680
Speaker 1: All right, before we call it a day here, this

2230
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: is something we haven't done in a while, but because

2231
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: BC and I have gotten a little bit lazy about it.

2232
01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: But we don't have. Have you seen this shit which is

2233
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 1: a BC special? Folks, are like, why don't you do that?

2234
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, because I don't have time to go over

2235
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: HOGI farts.

2236
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, I feel like he spends this whole Sunday,

2237
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 2: like you know, finding those clips. Man, you know what

2238
01:38:38,240 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a that's a BC specialty, and.

2239
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:43,080
Speaker 1: People fill up his inbox and his dms with dog

2240
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: picks and shit like that. I mean, that's a that's

2241
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: a BC thing.

2242
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,599
Speaker 2: So and you guys wonder the way he's the way

2243
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 2: he does. Come on.

2244
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 1: What we will do is we'll do a little bit

2245
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 1: of odds and ends to wrap the show here. So Chuck,

2246
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I'll let you go first. What's a story or some

2247
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: kind of note you want to have that we haven't

2248
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: talked about yet on today's show.

2249
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 2: Well, today is eleventh and in two thousand and nine

2250
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 2: that was UFC one hundred. Can you believe that it's

2251
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 2: been thirteen years since UFC one hundred. We're talking about

2252
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: like the passage of time on these things, and that

2253
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: kind of blows me away.

2254
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Man.

2255
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 2: To me, that was like still such a big event

2256
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:17,760
Speaker 2: in my mind as it was coming up. I know

2257
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 2: everybody treated it that way they were doing. I think

2258
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 2: the Fox Steel had just started or something because they

2259
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 2: were doing like maybe not, maybe not, but there were

2260
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 2: some problems there, so it's a bit. I just remember

2261
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 2: the promos heading into it, and it's like, wow, one

2262
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: hundred pay per views. They had brock Leszner on that

2263
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 2: card and his rematch with Frank Mier. They had a

2264
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 2: GSP was fighting Thiago Albas. They had the Dan Henderson

2265
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 2: Michael bisbeeing. It was like the very stacked card. Only

2266
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 2: three of those fighters from that are still active to

2267
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: my to my mind, and I could be wrong about this,

2268
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 2: but I was looking this back up. I think Sexy

2269
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:52,120
Speaker 2: Yama had to fight fairly recently, so he is still

2270
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 2: still going on in the past. J Mill doesn't seem

2271
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:00,799
Speaker 2: like saw it anytimes. Probably fight at UFC three hundred,

2272
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 2: you know, and do all of the all the bench marks.

2273
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: And then you have John Jones who were mentioning earlier.

2274
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 2: But that's pretty crazy, is it?

2275
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 1: Of it?

2276
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: Like there's still three of them left. But I was

2277
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 2: only I was thinking of it just because of the

2278
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 2: way that MMA was in that day. The one thing

2279
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 2: I remember the most. Tell me if you remember this,

2280
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Dana said if it sold over a million pay per

2281
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 2: views that he would jump off the top or he'd do,

2282
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 2: like what base jump off the top of Mandalay Bay,

2283
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 2: and he was serious about it, but he never actually

2284
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 2: did that. Thirteen years later.

2285
01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: He didn't even jump off the rock into the water

2286
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: that one time. I don't yaw BC, but dude, I'll

2287
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: tell you UFC one hundred was like do that. I

2288
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know how you felt. And I was still more

2289
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,679
Speaker 1: in the fan mode of my existence at that time.

2290
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: But same, that was a fun time. That was a

2291
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: fun time.

2292
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 2: It was Remember Brock, I was frothing out of the

2293
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,560
Speaker 2: mouth and he's like when my wife.

2294
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 1: I always say this, Like, dude, Brock jolted the electricity

2295
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 1: into that sport and nothing was doing poorly. I don't

2296
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: mean that, but like he wrecked it up a level

2297
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 1: or two. And that was, you know, a frightening performance

2298
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: that he had there against Frank Mire and then the

2299
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: horseshoe up his ass, and then he had to apologize

2300
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: for saying I'm gonna get a cores light and.

2301
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 2: All that's right. Yes, oh god, these were talking points

2302
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 2: for like weeks after that.

2303
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, well, I have less pleasant news, unfortunately

2304
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: for me. I want to talk very quickly we can

2305
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 1: about Bigfoot or aka and well, actually his name is Antonio,

2306
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: so what'll we call him bickfoot. He's forty two years

2307
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,240
Speaker 1: of age and shit is going badly for him. He

2308
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 1: did have a win over Solo Palele in a UFC

2309
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 1: one ninety in August of twenty fifteen, but prior to

2310
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 1: that had basically four losses in a row, well well

2311
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: three and then a no contest. Then he lost to

2312
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: Mark Hunt Tko, Stephan Struve, Ko Roy Nelson, Ko i've

2313
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: in Sterkov decision, but he was a loss. Then he

2314
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: lost of Italian Minikov. Then he lost to some dude

2315
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: named Quintin Domingos. Then he lost to some dude recently

2316
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,480
Speaker 1: called Oleg pop Off. And he also has a bare

2317
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: knuckle losses one also happened. This was a bare local

2318
01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:09,840
Speaker 1: loss that or I guess they called it barre knuckle,

2319
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: but it's boxing or whatever the fuck it is. Here.

2320
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: On July eighth, he lost to Dat Sick, who actually

2321
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 1: has a winner for Orlovski from long ago as one,

2322
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 1: as well as one of Gabriel Gonzaga. And he's got

2323
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,600
Speaker 1: a kickboxing loss that happened, a ko loss I was

2324
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen. He's got another one coming up in boxing.

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Speaker 1: I think in two weeks, three weeks. Dude, someone out

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01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: there needs to give him a job, because it's not

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01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: just about not him fighting anymore. He like, this is

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01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 1: not the point to stop fighting. The point to stop

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01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 1: fighting was years ago. Yeah, and his I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: he's probably got and I don't say this lightly or

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01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: gleefully or with joy or with any medical certainty, but

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01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 1: with probably a fair amount of suspicion. He's probably got

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01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: severe CTE and he is going to have a rough

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01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: go of it from here on out. And anybody who

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01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: cares about them, who's in a position to do something

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01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:07,880
Speaker 1: desperately needs to. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's brutal. It is brutal to kind of see

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01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 2: a guy like that going, especially because he fights in

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01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: a heavyweight division and some of those knockouts are so vicious. Man,

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01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 2: and he's strung together so many him. I can remember

2341
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 2: the second time came Velaskaz beat him already having these

2342
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 2: thoughts about like, dude, if you know, how much of

2343
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 2: that do you want to take? Because he just was

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01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 2: so obliterated. And that was years and years ago. Man,

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01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:32,760
Speaker 2: he's been knocked out so many times since then there

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01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 2: needs to be an intervention.

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01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: Man, And people are asking him, how's he getting these licenses? Well,

2348
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't get a license in North America anywhere. There's

2349
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 1: going to places where he doesn't necessarily need one. That's

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01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 1: how he's getting around it. And that won't last forever either,

2351
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: Like this train will come to a stop eventually at

2352
01:43:49,320 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 1: some point, too. Question is how much more damage will

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01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: be a cruise before something actually happens. And you know,

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01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't say this like, oh, it's so easy to

2355
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: solve this problem. I don't, but like, as a rule

2356
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: of combat sports, you have to be against this. You know,

2357
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: this is abuse. Whether it's self inflicted or or not,

2358
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: is not really the issue per se, although it certainly

2359
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 1: changes it to some degree if it is self imposed.

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01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,200
Speaker 1: But it's abuse. He's taking abuse, and you cannot allow

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01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,360
Speaker 1: this to continue. So I don't know what's going to happen,

2362
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: but I have a very very very bad feeling about

2363
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: the way this is all going to turn out, and

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01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I worry greatly, and I really really really hope somebody

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01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: can do something to help him, because he's going to

2366
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: need it pretty badly.

2367
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:32,840
Speaker 2: And I mean, he's forty two years old.

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,840
Speaker 1: What's the Yeah, it's easy for me to.

2369
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 2: Say, but come on, man, it's like what do you know?

2370
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do at this point?

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01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: And also, like dude, I remember Bigfoot when he was

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01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: a force to be reckoned with too. I was there

2373
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: the night he beat fad Or. I remember him, yes,

2374
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: and then passing the mount and then just bombing on him.

2375
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 1: I remember, I dude, he lost to Verdome a little

2376
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: bit before that, but he rocked Verdume super badly in

2377
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: that fight. Like dude, it was he. Do you remember

2378
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 1: the win over Overine when Overine was like coming in

2379
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,360
Speaker 1: hot and I think I talked a bunch of about

2380
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: him and then he had to get in the way.

2381
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: There's that picture of him menacing.

2382
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 2: Over you know, yes, yes, I remember. I mean the

2383
01:45:07,680 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: the the glorious moments of his career. I you know,

2384
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 2: I was there for most of them. I mean, like

2385
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 2: you're saying, it's say, back in that day when you're

2386
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 2: just kind of getting rolling, you're at all the events

2387
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,360
Speaker 2: and all stuff. It was h he had his moment,

2388
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 2: But it's just dude, I mean, like you said, he

2389
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 2: should have been out of the game five six years ago.

2390
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, It's just it is abuse at this point. Man,

2391
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 2: it's hard to watch. And there is a familial thing

2392
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 2: to the guys that you grow up with and you

2393
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 2: watch and you've you've been around them, you know, man,

2394
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 2: you you care for these people. I've talked to him before,

2395
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 2: like you know, the people, you know, people that he's

2396
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:40,760
Speaker 2: been around. Is you know, like over the years, you

2397
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 2: just don't want to You don't want to see this man,

2398
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 2: You don't want to see him. I don't know. I

2399
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 2: think you're right, like he's I don't want to see

2400
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 2: where he's gonna end up, you know what I mean

2401
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 2: at this point.

2402
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 1: Without significant help. Yeah, significant help. Uh. Well that's it

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01:45:57,160 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: for today's show, Chuck. You did a great job, friend.

2404
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: Anything you want to plug on today's program before we

2405
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:03,800
Speaker 1: get out of here.

2406
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:07,439
Speaker 2: Not really, No, I'm just kidding. I you can catch

2407
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 2: us on the Ringer MMA Show, which is on Spotify Live.

2408
01:46:11,320 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 2: We do that usually Thursdays and Saturday after big events.

2409
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 2: I know, we go head to head with you, Luke,

2410
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: So I'm sorry about that. So yeah, we do those.

2411
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:22,000
Speaker 2: We do that and that's about it. Man's that's what

2412
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 2: I'm up.

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01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 1: To Well, you're doing a great job. We appreciate it.

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01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 1: Want to remind everyone if you want showtime showtime dot

2415
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 1: com get a thirty day free trial. If you like it,

2416
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 1: you can keep it. If not, you can bounce. You

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01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: can go to Morningcombat dot Store. We don't sell any

2418
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 1: hats that are like Chucks, but we should and then

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01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 1: just steal your gimmick. Yes, they're asking me to vote.

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01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Hold on, I can't see on this thing because there

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01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:46,000
Speaker 1: we go. Yes, I want everyone to vote. We are

2422
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: up for the People's Choice Awards. I think best Male

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01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: Hosted Podcast, and then I think best Overall Podcast as well. Wow,

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01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 1: moreover for it. What's that I'm asking the production team

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01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: do we have pok graphic for I don't think we do.

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01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:03,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Best Sports No, we don't have a

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Speaker 1: graphic yet. We'll put up one best Male Hosted in

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01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 1: Best Sports Podcast, so be on the lookout for that.

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01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 1: I'll tweet a link at L Thomas News afterward where

2430
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 1: you guys can go and vote. Yeah, dude, we don't

2431
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: you know we're we win awards. It's kind of fun

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01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 1: to do. There's a lot of things we don't do

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01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,920
Speaker 1: very well, but we do that.

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01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:22,599
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, Mike. When you got when you got

2435
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 2: the mm A whatever World MMA award, I said, I

2436
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 2: at least deserve like, uh, you know, the foot the

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01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 2: foot of that because that was a small part of it,

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01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:37,559
Speaker 1: That's fair. We can we can, thanks man. But all right,

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01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,760
Speaker 1: so that's it for us. Want to thank Malka, want

2441
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,400
Speaker 1: to thank Showtime, want to thank CBS Sports BC. Will

2442
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday, so he's not going to be

2443
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: gone too long. He sends his regards. He had to

2444
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 1: do something with his kids today, so that's what it's

2445
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 1: all about. But he'll be back on Wednesday. And Chuck,

2446
01:47:52,360 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: we will see you when we see you, but we'll

2447
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 1: have you back in studio. I'm sure in no time.

2448
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you starting by today.

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01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 2: A lot of fun brother, Thank you man there he is.

2450
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:01,479
Speaker 1: So for Chuck minute Hall, Brian Campbell and the rest

2451
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,680
Speaker 1: of the crew. I'm Luke Thomas. We'll see y'all next time,

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01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal.