1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's have a shout out for our 4 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: super producer, mister Max Williams. 5 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Hip to the hot that you're a little ball. I 6 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: don't know what that was, but I'm talking about basketball. 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Nailed it, nailed it. I'm Ben your Noel. Noel, what 8 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: do you think of when you think of basketball? 9 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: Oh? I think of incorrigibles that I think of them, 10 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: what cannot be tamed, you know, the spirit of sporting, 11 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: chance and excitement and dribbling and hip. To top of 12 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 3: the thing that Max said. 13 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: I think of all my stubbed fingers because I play. 14 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I believe you wouldn't believe it because I'm not the 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: world's tallest guy. But I was actually pretty good at 16 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: basketball my younger days because I had I had a 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: lot of fight in me. 18 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: I think it's a misnomer that you have to be tall. 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: It definitely makes you, gives you an edge, but I 20 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: mean you can. Aren't there some like famous short shorties. 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: Like short like Steph Curry Trey Young who are both 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: taller than all three of us. 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about why. Right, we'll talk about why 24 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: that happened along the way. This week, we're excited to 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: explore the history of basketball. And guess what, folks, even 26 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: if you're not a you know, a sports ball person, 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: if you don't care too much about basketball, you're still 28 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna enjoy this. Noel and I were talking, there's some 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: there's some ridiculousness. 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: To say, your granddad's history of basketball, right right, And 31 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: if unless your granddad was was a guy by the 32 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: name of James Naysmith, Yeah, and so was born in 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds and born probably would be more like 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: a great grand point great. 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: So I want to thank James Nasmith for enabling a 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: young Ben bowl in to you know, despite being short, 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: I was like Spider Man doing parkour drunk. I was 38 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: all over the place. You know, it's weird that I 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: still have ten fingers. But thank you, James. Let's learn 40 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more about you, mister Nasmith. This is 41 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: something we said right before we started recording. You kind 42 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: of have to be a little bit eccentric to wake 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: up one day and say I'm gonna make us sports. 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: That's right. 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: And by the way, no relation to Mike Naysmith from 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: The Monkeys, who was also a little bit eccentric, true 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: and maybe didn't invent a sport, but did single handedly 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 3: invent rock and roll. 49 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, they're the Monkeys, that's true. 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: They monkey around sometimes. I actually need to watch that show. 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: So there's a podcast that I really like call with 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: Gorley and Rush. They talk about gently talk about horror movies, 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: and they were saying how some of The Monkeys' sketches 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: in their TV show are like Tim and Eric level 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: weird and absurd. Yes, and I I need that in 56 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 3: my life. And actually, I think the Monkeys get unfairly 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: maligned as sort of this like fake band, but they 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: actually had some really good tunes as well. 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: I feel like it's so easy to criticize something when 60 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: you're not making something as well, you know what I mean, 61 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: Like I'm a Believer is a bop. 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: But even some of their deeper cuts, and there's some 63 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 3: of their albums that are like a little more experimental anyway, 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: again different Nasmith spelled differently even not sure why I 65 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: brought it up. Now I know why, because we're fans 66 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: of Tangents here on Ridiculous systems. 67 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: Oh, Last Train to Clarksville. I you know, I love people. 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: The Kinks. 69 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: They they did Last Train in Clarksville. The Monkeys did well. 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: The Kinks do. The Kinks do it. Maybe it's a cover. 71 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think I didn't think it was. Yeah, Last 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: Train in Clarksville is by the Monkeys. 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: Really, Kinks do a great Last Train to Clarksville. Nice, 74 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: very cool. 75 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: It's I mean, everybody loves It's a bop. I had, 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: really I had a parody version of it. I would 77 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: play called Last Train to Hateville and it was about 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: being late to the airport anyway. That's where the airport 79 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: is here in Atlanta, Georgia, and I'll bring us back 80 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: from the Tangent. Sorry, I'm idiot. 81 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 3: The Kinks did not do Last trin the clark so 82 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: they get a song called Last of the Steam Powered Trains. 83 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: We need to make a train train related guys. 84 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: This is going to be a weird couple of weeks 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: for us because we're we've got announcements, we've got some housekeeping. 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Noll your head into Detroit, max your head now in October. 87 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: I'm heading somewhere in October. And then before that we're 88 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: we're hitting Vegas, hitting the strip. 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 3: We're hitting the strip. We're gonna fear and loathe our 90 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 3: way through that city of lights. 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: At our boss beat me here, Max, our boss can 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: keeps roasting me for being excited about seeing the Hoover 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: dam Anyway, whatever, it's a marvel of engineering, it really is. 94 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I wish I could come to 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: be that company with you, because I'm assuming you're going 96 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: by yourself, right, Ben, I. 97 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: Rented a car. I think it'll be a thig where 98 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: we'll see who wants to come. I want to come. Yeah, yeah, okay, awesome, Yes, 99 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: then please come. Damn me up, fam. That's okay. That 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: explains that text message. Okay, it was about the whover 101 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: NIS was okay. So this is an epic tangent for us, 102 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of stuff going on worth it, man, 103 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: you think I think you know. 104 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: You come for the history, you stay for the Tangents, 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: or you leave in a fit of rage for the Tangents. 106 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Take the last train to Tangents exactly. 107 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: So. 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: James Naysmith, he's a guy. Yeah that that. 109 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 3: James Naysmith was a real kooky character. He was a 110 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: second year grad student who was essentially put in charge 111 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: of a physical education program. 112 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Before this was like a thing. 113 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 3: I don't even think they called it kinesiology at the time. 114 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: That was like sort of when I learned about that, 115 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 3: I guess health class whatever. They always called it. The 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: study of kinesiology, I think is named after like the 117 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 3: the Father of of health, which isn't which isn't God. Surprisingly, 118 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 3: it's it's some some dude named Yeah. 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: Yes, he's basically pee teacher, that's right, right, is a 120 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: younger pee teacher and another teacher, one of his colleagues, 121 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, we've got an issue here, Jimmy, 122 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: which is, you know, you can have the kids out 123 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: running in circles or you know, frolicking when it's warm 124 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: outside during the summer in the autumn of the spring, 125 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: but we need a game to keep them active in 126 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: the winter months. Now, James, being a Canadian, he's about 127 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: thirty years old now, he's familiar with sports that are 128 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: popular in Canada. He's familiar with cold weather, and so 129 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: he says, all right, I'm gonna take a little bit 130 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: from rugby, a little bit of lacrosse, and then a 131 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: little bit from a game that I've never heard of 132 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: duck on a rock? Duck on a rock? Have you 133 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: heard of this? No? 134 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: I assume it's like dope on a rope, which is 135 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: also a real game. I just make a King of 136 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: the hill duck on a rock. Maybe it does sound 137 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: like you push somebody off. 138 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so cast your memory back there, folks. It's the 139 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: winter of eighteen ninety one. There's a gymnasium there at 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Springfield College. Then it was called the International YMCA Training School, 141 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: and it's located in Springfield, Massachusetts. The college kids are 142 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: getting restless. The way they describe these kids in winter 143 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: makes me think of livestock that you have to put 144 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: in a barn exactly, And like the horses are wickering 145 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: and the cows are looking around and mooing or lowing restlessly. 146 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I love a good lowing. Yeah, 147 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and also really quickly. 148 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: I don't think we mentioned this, but looking at images 149 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: of this dude, this guy looks like the kind of 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: you know, fellow you'd see in the halls of Congress, 151 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: or something like a portrait of like a scholarly gentleman 152 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: whizzen do you know, with circular eyeglasses and a quafft mustache, 153 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: you know, doesn't look like a guy that invented a game, 154 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: that became a purveyor of culture, you know, I mean, 155 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: it's kind of he doesn't look like that kind of cat. 156 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: No, he looks like he has weirdly specific opinions on 157 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: the fall of the Ottoman Empire and like prices of 158 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: silver futures. Agreed. He he. I don't want to say nerd, right, 159 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: we're very pro nerd here, but I agree with you know, 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: he looks like he's in Congress. 161 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: Wizzened, wizened and wizardly. Wizardly indeed, but he You're right, 162 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: these these restless youths, they they need to be tamped down. 163 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: They're they're wild urges are just out of control, you know, 164 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: they're they've got cabin fever. And this guy, this size, 165 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: I think he's sort of challenged by a fellow, a colleague, 166 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 3: you know, to like, why don't you figure out a 167 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: way to occupy these these kids? 168 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I the way that we're describing it with 169 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: restlessness and pent up energy, I want to picture the 170 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: invention of basketball as some kind of action thriller. So 171 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: instead of a colleague saying, hey, let's figure this out, 172 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: I want someone bursting in the door and saying, damn it, James, 173 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: this is a ticking time bos. 174 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: Something has to be done. Their hormones are raging. So 175 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: in the winter of eighteen ninety one to eighteen ninety 176 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 3: two in Springfield College, as you mentioned at the time 177 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: it was known as the International YMCA Training School, Nasmith 178 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: decided to take on this challenge and he spoke to 179 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: a kindly janitor member of the janitorial staff, and requested 180 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: that he go out and seek something that he could 181 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: use as goals. I think he asked for boxes, right initially, 182 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: some sort of perhaps shipping type container, you know, from 183 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: a fruit market or something like that. He couldn't find 184 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: any boxes, but he did find some baskets boxketball does 185 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 3: not have the same ring as basketball, or maybe it 186 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: would have been called box ball. Isn't it just funny though? 187 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: How maybe he would have found his way to the 188 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: baskets eventually. But one based on this, you know, kind 189 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: of serendipitous situation, one kind of tends to think that 190 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 3: this was a little bit arbitrary. 191 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it could have been any kind of container, 192 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: which I agree is pretty interesting. And also I want 193 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: to point out that the gymnasium class at the time 194 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: it was not like your pe classes today. One of 195 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: their activities was marching, which just seems so weirdly militaristic. 196 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, like you guys never played in 197 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: marching and like elementary school, like he played marching. 198 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like you. March's like that I had 199 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: to do. I had to do marching because I was 200 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: in a pretty fascist, pro military Boy Scouts troop. But wow, 201 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: you mean the boy Scouts, I I lucked out. You 202 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: get you get one or two. You either get the 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: really hardcore let's train you for the revolution troops, right, 204 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: or you get the other ones. So I'm happy that 205 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,359 Speaker 1: I ended up with the very weird revolutionaries. 206 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: I always think of that money Python bit from the 207 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: Meaning of Life where they're like running drills at some 208 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: sort of military training facility and he's like marching up 209 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: and down the squad. No good enough for you, you know, now, 210 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: don't stand that gulping like you've never seen the end 211 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: of gold before. 212 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: And yes, we know, marching band is a thing, folks. 213 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Marching band is also a thing that reminds me, guys, 214 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: this this will be one of my last tangents for this. 215 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: I know there's a two part episode for us. Anyhow 216 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: do you know about the battle of bands here in Atlanta. 217 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: I know about the concept of Battle of the bands, 218 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 3: but this is like a like a marching band battle. 219 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. So all the all the best college marching bands 220 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: get together at the stadium in town. 221 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: And they just serve each other, right, yeah, yeah, it's 222 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: like it's like, uh, dancing up at each other cheerleader film. 223 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: Well, there was the dristin dunk, isn't it, Gabrielle, get 224 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: it on, Light it up? 225 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: Do? 226 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: The thing you got served was the dancing one. Yeah, 227 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: so there's that, but it's also and then there was 228 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: drum line, which was, you know. 229 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: Bring it up, bring it up. I was close, you 230 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: were very close. That's kind of a vague title anyhow, 231 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: But but yes, you guys, let's go to the Battle 232 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: of the bands. I swear it's such a fun time. 233 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: Oh can I jump in with a tangent? Yeah, if 234 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: you were in marching band, what instrument are you playing? 235 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: What do you mean, like, hypothetically, Yeah, hypothetically? Which one 236 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: would you? Soon? Baby? Soon? 237 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 2: No? 238 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: I have no amber. 239 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 3: Sure, I cannot play any except a drum. I could 240 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: play a drum, but those would be heavy, because drums 241 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: are like the coolest ones too. 242 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I would either go drums or I want to. I 243 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: can't even remember the proper name for him, but the 244 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: dude who just has the cane, there's no drum major. 245 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: The drum major, Yeah, I can't believe all say so, 246 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: I want to be the guy who's inside the tuba, 247 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: the person I want to be that guy. 248 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 3: I think that's actually called a susophone. 249 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Susophone nice yeah. 250 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: Invented by John Phillips, SUSA, another weirdo composer, inventor, polymath, 251 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: much like the guy who were supposed to be talking 252 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: about that, James Naysmith. 253 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: So he does the thing, gets these peach baskets as well. 254 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: They are right, you know, woven, kind of wickery peach baskets. 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,719 Speaker 3: This is the late eighteen hundred, so they probably had 256 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 3: a different vibe than maybe what we're used to. But 257 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 3: he then attached them to like the kind of opposing 258 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: balconies in this open you know gym where there's I 259 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: guess you know, think of like a high school gym 260 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: with there's maybe a walking track around the top, something 261 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: approaching that, and then he's like, huh, well, I can't 262 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,599 Speaker 3: have a game without some rules. So he started to 263 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: kind of brainstorm as to what he rules he would 264 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: impose on those games. At this point, all he had 265 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: were these baskets, very organic. He really just kind of 266 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: was going by the seat of his pants. He got 267 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 3: to give him props for that. He realizes though, that 268 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 3: an important facet of what he's trying to accomplish is 269 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: to have a game that is simple enough to understand, uh, 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: complex enough to be interesting, and doesn't involve punches and 271 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: kicks and karate chops, you know, like rugby and other 272 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: more rough and tumble type sports. 273 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: And they can't be like a one on one or 274 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: two or two thing like tennis. You have to accommodate 275 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: the entire class. So the kids need to be running 276 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: around and they exercises another important fast right, the callous 277 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: That is part of what he's teaching. And so he 278 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: divides these kids into teams of nine and he tells 279 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: each team, look, you got two teams. He got one ball. 280 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna blow this whistle and then you will. One 281 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: starting team gets the ball. You try to put it 282 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: in the other team's basket. You know, if you're one 283 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: of the kids who is I feel like he took 284 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: the kids, the two least fit kids, and said, you 285 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: guys stand at the balcony, and when the ball goes 286 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: in the basket, your job is to take it out 287 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: of the basket. So you're still participating, right. Yeah. 288 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: So, and also, this is not the basketball that we 289 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,239 Speaker 3: think of today, where there's you know, the ball comes through. 290 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: You go No, it just goes, it goes in. They 291 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: didn't figure out cutting off the bottom. 292 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: They didn't figure that out yet. They hadn't gotten there yet. Ye. 293 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: But his epiphany comes when he realizes that there's a 294 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: very important rule that will sort of take care of 295 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: the non violent aspect of it, which is that you 296 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: can't move with the ball. That's right, you can't run 297 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: with the ball. I mean, I believe they call that 298 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: traveling or like holding or something like that. 299 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: It's yeah, you get a ballance. 300 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: But this original basketball barely resembles what we know today 301 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: as basketball. We're going to get to that. Yeah, it 302 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: is still I believe you can't hold the ball and move. 303 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: You have to burst the ball the ball, but still 304 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 3: kind of a lot of contact in modern basketball, but 305 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: it does still seem safer than football. 306 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're less likely to have suffer the long 307 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: term consequences of a concussion. 308 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, dramatic brain injury. 309 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: And if you're watching basketball, you're less likely to lose 310 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: hours of your life sitting through commercials. Which is why 311 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: football is football. American football at least is still mainly 312 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: just popular in the US. 313 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: It's because it gives so much opportunity for advertising. 314 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of people just watch the 315 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl for the halftime show. 316 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: If you guys hear about the new rule in college football, 317 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: what's that outside? 318 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: Like the two minute warning? Are they putting in guns? 319 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: No? 320 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: If the first down, they just run the clock to 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: make the actual game shorter, so they put more commercials in. 322 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous because everyone's complaining about how long college football 323 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: games have gotten. So instead of taking more commercials ou 324 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: because the NFL took more commercials out a couple of 325 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: years ago, college is just making the game shorter. 326 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: This is why I'm glad. 327 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: I don't like sports, but I do think basketball is energy, 328 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: is entertaining and enjoyable to watch. 329 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, And there are there are some examples of 330 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: modern myth making here. I didn't know this going in, 331 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: but there are two very different accounts of the first 332 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: basketball game. And one of them it goes off fine, 333 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, and they're all learning together kumbay a hands 334 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: across America kind of stuff. In the other one, people 335 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: almost murder each other. So you want to do the 336 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: murder one. 337 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: First, obviously. Yeah, it basically devolves into a brawl because again, 338 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: the rules are kind of fluid at this point, right, 339 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: and they don't quite get it, and people are just 340 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: used to going around slapping balls out of people's hands, 341 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 3: you know, being a little more aggressive. After all, these 342 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 3: are these are described as a group of incorrigible youths. 343 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: By nay Smith himself. Yeah, in nineteen thirty nine, he's 344 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: talking about this on a radio show called We the People. 345 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: Radio is sort of the first podcast and it's the 346 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 1: only known recording of James Naysmith's voice. He's seventy seven 347 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: at the time, and he tells the studio audience basically 348 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: he makes it sound like these were the lost boys 349 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: from Peter Pash Or like Lord of the Flies type stuff. 350 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: He says, you know, like you pointed out, He says, 351 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: I had to tame this class of incorrigibles, and the 352 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: show's host, the interviewer Gabriel Heater. She says, what rules 353 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: did you have for your new game, doctor Naysmith, and 354 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: his response is epic. 355 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he did as we said. He they were 356 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 3: a little fluid. He didn't have enough, he said, And 357 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 3: that's where I made my big mistake. The boys began tackling, kicking, 358 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: and punching, karate chopping. I added that part. They ended 359 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: up in a free for all in the middle of 360 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: the gym floor. Before I could pull them apart. One 361 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 3: boy was knocked out. Several of them had black eyes, 362 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: and one had a dislocated shoulder. Dude, that's wild. It 363 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 3: takes a lot to dislocate somebody's shoulder. That's not like 364 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: a minor injury. That's serious. 365 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: They've been pent up all winter. I guess how did 366 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: he let this get so out of hands? He concludes, 367 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: it certainly was murder. After that first match, I thought 368 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: they'd kill each other, but they kept nagging me to 369 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: let them play again. And I tell you what. In 370 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: that version of the story, the reason they're nagging him 371 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: is because they wanted to settle some scores. Sure, that's 372 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: what happened. It was it was evolving into a uh 373 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: into a group brawl. And so he says, okay, look 374 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: like you point out. He says, I added some more rules. 375 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: Basketball became a fine clean sport, good clean fun, good clean. 376 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: Hoh some fun. And then he says, I guess it 377 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: just goes to show what you can do if you 378 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: have to. And the audience burst into applause. Max come 379 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: to the braw Brah yeah and then ah yeah, perfect, 380 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: and orchestra plays him out the golden days of radio. 381 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: I love that stuff. 382 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,479 Speaker 3: But like they used to literally have radio orc stress. 383 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: You know, that was a whole thing. I still have. 384 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: I still have an old collection of some of those. 385 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: This is maybe a very Southern thing, but we got 386 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: this place called Cracker Barrel here in the South, and 387 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: Cracker Barrel is famous. It's technically a restaurant, but it's 388 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: less famous for its food and more famous for its 389 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: very weird general store. Country store. The country store, yeah, 390 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: where they sell collections of old timey radio tracks. 391 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: They do sell those kinds of things, and they also 392 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: sell chochkeys and and drinking wooden puzzle, little wooden puzzles 393 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 3: and like the thing with the with the golf tees. 394 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: But my favorite I was I was at the cracker 395 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 3: barrel recently on the way back from a trip to 396 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: the beach, and they were selling all kinds of like 397 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: Halloween themed things that could very easily be misconstrued as satanic, 398 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: a little bit satany. 399 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Wow, they sell alcohol now I heard about that. Wow, 400 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: since they did that. 401 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: But you know, things change sure as this boy, these 402 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 3: these segues as did the story around the first game 403 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 3: of basketball, and we often know that. You know, sometimes 404 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: when you approve a writer to do your memoir, you 405 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: know they might you might give them access in exchange 406 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: for them writing a favorable account, you know, of your life. 407 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: Like what's happened with this Elon Musk book that just 408 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: came out. Apparently the writer has already retracted the way 409 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 3: he characterized Elon shutting down these Starlink satellites. You know 410 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: that we're supposed to aid the Ukraine in that conflict. 411 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: He basically came out and said that the way he 412 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: wrote it in the book was a mistake. And he's 413 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: always kind of had a history of being a little 414 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: cow twy to mister Musk as opposed to like this 415 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: this being a tellof so one could imagine there's a 416 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: similar situation with mister Nasmith because the account in the book. 417 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: It's weird though, because he told the rough and tumble 418 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: account himself, so it's not like he would be opposed 419 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 3: to that being out in the world. Yeah, but maybe 420 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: he wanted the official that's in his book to be 421 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 3: I don't know. The guy doesn't strike me as a liar, 422 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 3: A little bit of a kook, but not a liar. 423 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 3: But according to the memoir, it was a It was 424 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: just a smashing success and nothing could have gone more swimmingly. 425 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Right, So what is most likely I would I would 426 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: guess what is most likely here is that there was 427 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: some diplomacy in the telling of the story in the memoir. 428 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: And then as the guy ages he's got his legacy, 429 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: he's not worried about getting in trouble. You know, now 430 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: he's a sports legend. Yeah, so now he's a good 431 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: he's just telling the fun version of the story. We 432 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: know that the bones of it are true. He did 433 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: invent what becomes basketball. He did have to he did 434 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: have to maintain control over a bunch of rowdy kids, 435 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: and he was coming in hot because the pe teacher 436 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: before him just couldn't get the kids interested in anything. 437 00:22:54,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: So this embellishment about it being violent if it's untrue. 438 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: According to how to Watch Basketball Like a Genius by 439 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: Nick Green, the embellishment probably came about because the first 440 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: game might have been very boring. 441 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, finish with a score of one to nothing, So 442 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: what is this soccer? That's snoozer material right there? 443 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: Not good. 444 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: A student by the name of William Chase got the 445 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: only basket in what maybe would be considered a three 446 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: pointer today, you know, a real half court you know, 447 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: fling right, heavo, So he obviously was the was the 448 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: star player. The floor of the gym where all this 449 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: went down measured thirty five by fifty four, so this, yeah, 450 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: this would have been basically, based on current kind of standards, 451 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: a mid court shot. 452 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like, yeah, he's he's half half a 453 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: court away. That's epic. That's like Steph Curry level. And 454 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: the game was clumsy, maybe more than a little chaotic, 455 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: And then Naismith later wrote, this is this is such 456 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: a weird cold burn. He says, there's no teamwork, but 457 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: each man did his best. 458 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 3: Great, what does that mean? Anssipation Award. 459 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: Is there a guy like popping and locking the corner? 460 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: Who knows? 461 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: I do think, you know, we'll get to some of 462 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 3: Naismith's more out there ideas about the human species, but 463 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 3: you start to get hints at it with his theory 464 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: that young men needed competition inherently and they had to 465 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: fulfill some kind of play instinct, which just really feels 466 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: like looking at man as as an animal in a 467 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: lot of ways, you know, like like a primitive beast, 468 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 3: which is not I'm not saying that's not there's not 469 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 3: some truth to that at times, but it does seem 470 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: like this guy he had some he had some ideas. 471 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, to jump in here real quick. You'll actually hear that. 472 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: A lot of people who argue like pro like NFL 473 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: pro football will say that it's like it's a up 474 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: substitute for war. It very much is, and you know 475 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: football is very much trench Warfairly, it is what it is. 476 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that is an argument for it. So 477 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: you say that I wanted to jump in and just 478 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: toss that in. Let's do this sound cute. 479 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 3: Phone and he drops in the knowledge just for you. 480 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: So good, there we go. You know, I agree with you. 481 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: When Noel and r pal Matt Frederick whom you just heard, folks, 482 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: we did an episode of this is many many moons 483 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: ago on sports as a substitute for war, and the 484 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: psychology is there, which is why you know, Max thought 485 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: I was joking when I was like, I don't know, 486 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: update the rules. Give them some not lethal firearms, but 487 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: like give them, you know, give them some like something heavy. 488 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: Or we could just you know, post some like sniper turrets. 489 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Have you seen that thing? 490 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: There's a meme or a video meme where it's like 491 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: shots from American Sniper where Bradley Cooper's you know, the American, 492 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: the titular American sniper and he's popping off shots. And 493 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: then it's showing that those moments where male soccer players 494 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: just fall down and clutch themselves when they're literally brushed 495 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: by another player. Apparently it's like a thing. And then 496 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: compare it to women's soccer where they just play on 497 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: with like blood gushing out of their eye sockets and stuff. 498 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty comical. 499 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: American Gladiator James N. Smith would have loved American Gladiator. 500 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: You guys, remember that show. 501 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: Dude, I went and saw them and Augusta when I 502 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: saw him live, they did. There's there's a there's a 503 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 3: documentary about the American Gladiators on. 504 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Netflix right now. 505 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 3: And surprise, surprise, they were all a bunch of juicers. 506 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: What like like uh. 507 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: Not the Orange Variety never guessed. Apparently lots of orgies 508 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 3: happening in the locker rooms too between Can you imagine 509 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 3: that like a juiced up orgy like that? 510 00:26:53,920 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm just imagining the smell, And I wish I wasn't. 511 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: As he said, nay Smith, little wonky. We opened with that. 512 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: You gotta be kind of eccentric to say I'm an 513 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: inventor sport. And originally the students who, by the way, 514 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: again are on board with this from game one, you know, 515 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: they got black eyes, dislocated shoulders, scores to settle. They say, ah, 516 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: mister Inn, you should call this Naysmith ball bro And 517 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: he said, well, we've got to basket, We've got the ball. 518 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,679 Speaker 1: Let's just call it that. 519 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: If it had been a box, it would have been 520 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: box ball. 521 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: Or if it had been a basket in a box, 522 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: it would have been basketbox. He's being very reasonable. I 523 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: think so too. I'm glad he's a ball though, and 524 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: so we wanted to share some of the rules that 525 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: he codified. You know, he's so he's basically he's the 526 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: Moses of basketball, right. So here's what he puts on 527 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: his tablets. He says, like you played out earlier, I 528 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,160 Speaker 1: don't want the players to move when they're holding the ball. 529 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: That's kind of why rugby gets violent. And he really 530 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: he has this moment where he says, look, if you 531 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: can't roam with the ball, we don't have to have 532 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: people be tackled. Right, And if you if you listen 533 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: to his and we can laundry list them to or 534 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: some of them. But if you listen to his original rules, 535 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: what's surprising is they don't seem like they all apply 536 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: to basketball today. Yeah. 537 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm not what you'd call a sports fan, 538 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: so I don't really I know the basics of the 539 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 3: rules of basketball, but a lot of these didn't seem familiar. 540 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 3: I think we should list themun because they're pretty pretty fascinating. 541 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: The ball may be thrown in any direction with one 542 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: or both hands. 543 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: Okay, makes sense. Yet the ball may be batted in 544 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: any direction with one or both hands, never with the fist. 545 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: God help you if you use a fist. This isn't volleyball, 546 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: this basketball. 547 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great way to knox one's tooth 548 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: out is to hit a basketball with a fist. 549 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. 550 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: But also a slap will get it going pretty fast too. 551 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: Sure it also something that rule of particular feels like 552 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: it was written for one kid with like a bad 553 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: whole life. It was just like, I just want to punch. 554 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: Just picture that Arthur Meme. 555 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: You know, fist, you know, fist, Yeah, you know there's 556 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: there's there's rage in that fist. A player cannot run 557 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 3: with the ball. The player must throw it from the 558 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: spot on which he catches it. I love these very 559 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: gendered rules as well. By the way, allowance to be 560 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 3: made for a man who catches the ball when running 561 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: at a good speed. Wait, allowance to be made for 562 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 3: a man who catches the ball when running at a 563 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 3: good if. 564 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: You're running, they throw the ball while you're running and 565 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: you catch it. He's saying, you. 566 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: Don't have to like like put on the brakes and 567 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: still like a cartoon character. 568 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: So how it adventually progresses. 569 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: You can take a step without dribbling, which there's also 570 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 2: like the euro maneuver and stuff like that, which is 571 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: ways to manipulate that without breaking the rule. 572 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: And you have to hold the ball in your hands 573 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: or between your hands. The next rule. You can't tuck 574 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: it in your pits, between your thighs, between your head 575 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: and neck. You can't just bend it behind one knee. 576 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 3: Unless you're in the Harlem Globetrotters' but that's more like a. 577 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: Show later on. Yeah, so tremendous basketball player. Sure, of course, 578 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: the arms or body must not be used for holding 579 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: the ball. That's right. 580 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 3: No shouldering, holding, pushing, tripping, or striking or karate chops 581 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 3: in any way. The person of an opponent shall be allowed. 582 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: That's like a Yoda sentence, Right, no shouldering, holding, pushing, tripping, 583 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: or striking anyway. The person of an opponent shall be allowed. 584 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: And he didn't just say the opponent, the person of 585 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: an opponent, which sounds very legalistic, but I love the 586 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: idea of you know, it was probably fictional. I love 587 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: the idea again, of the these rules being written for 588 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: one really violent kid, like as soon as the whistle blew, 589 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: he just did a roundhouse. Yea, someone totally cold cock them. Yeah, Uh, 590 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: this continues. 591 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: This is actually this is we get into something that 592 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: I think, I mean, some form of this obviously still 593 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 3: exists today. The first infringement of this rule by any 594 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 3: players shall count as a foul. The second shall disqualify 595 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: him until the next goal is made, or if there 596 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 3: was evident intent to injure the person for the whole 597 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: of the game. No substitute allowed. Max Is this in 598 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: any way resembling the foul system of modern basketball? 599 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: Kind of? 600 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: It is a So this's a sub sect of fouls 601 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: called flagrant fouls. Is a flagrant one, a flagrant two. 602 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 2: So a flagrant one is like when you like injure 603 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 2: someone by a kind of negligence, like like you know, 604 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: you're not like attempting to injure them, but you shouldn't 605 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: have done what you did. And what that what that 606 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 2: is is the team. I think traditionally there's there's different situations. 607 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: You get two free throws and the ball, so it's 608 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: much higher than a regular poule, which is just two 609 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: free throws or the ball. 610 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: Uh. 611 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: And then if someone gets two flagrant ones in a game, 612 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 2: they get ejected from the game, and there's a flagrant 613 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: two which is like, no, no, no, man, you weren't even 614 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: trying to like, you know, go for the ball. You 615 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: were just trying to tackle this guy in the air. 616 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: Then you're first and second degree murderer. That that's what 617 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 2: I was thinking. It's like manslaughter and murder. Yeah, manslaughters one, 618 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: murders two and two. You're immediately ejected from the game. 619 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: But you know, when these rules are written, I don't 620 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: think they had bench players because you know basketball, you 621 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: always changing. 622 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: It does say no substitutions in a lot of these rules. 623 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: I'm going to use the word flag or the phrase 624 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 3: flagrant foul way more off total noun, like you've committed 625 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 3: a flagrant foul. And yeah, so we've got that rule 626 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 3: does matter. And then they go on to define some 627 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: of the ideas of what a foul is. So rule 628 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 3: six is a foul is striking at the ball with 629 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 3: the fist violation of rules three, four and as such 630 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 3: as described in rule five. So he just says this 631 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: is what a foul is. I think he starts counting fouls. 632 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: If either side makes three consecutive fouls, then the other 633 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 3: team gets a point. It shall count as a goal 634 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 3: for the opponents. What does consecutive mean? It's good, but 635 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: it's not perfect because the clock on consecutive fouls starts 636 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: over whenever the other team does something nest. Yeah, and 637 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: there's no mention of penalties of like involving free throws 638 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: or like extra opportunities to get points. There's a way 639 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: that these consecutive fouls translate into free points, you know, 640 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 3: for the opposing team. But it doesn't like there's no 641 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: you know, mini game, which I would say. 642 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: That'd be great. It's kind of well, that's kind of 643 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: what a free throw is. 644 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we we've triggered this event, and now 645 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: you don't necessarily get it. Would you get the opportunity 646 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: to get it? 647 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? And then what is a goal? He says. A 648 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: goal is made when the ball is thrown or batted 649 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: from the grounds into the basket and it stays in 650 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: the basket. Remember the basket saw as a bottom providing 651 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: those defending the goal do not touch or disturb the goal. 652 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: If the ball rests on the edge and the opponent 653 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: moves the basket, it counts as a goal. That's way different. 654 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: That's very different. 655 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: Ah, yes, no, but goltending is still a call at 656 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 2: least in an American basketball it's not international in FEBA. 657 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: But like so, if the ball is above the basket 658 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,359 Speaker 2: and a team touches it, it's either offensive interference, which 659 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: is to turnover no basket, or it's goltending automatic basket. 660 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: But Foeba's way cooler because Foeba you can just rip 661 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: it off top of the rim tight. So there's also 662 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: there's also the idea of a ball going out of bounds. 663 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: We all remember this, You've seen it in every basketball game. 664 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: When the ball goes out of bounds, it shall be 665 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: thrown into the field of play by the person first 666 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: touching it. In case of a dispute, the umpire the 667 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: ref shall throw it straight into the field. The thrower, 668 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: in which is a cool title, gets five seconds to 669 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: do it. If he holds it longer, it automatically goes 670 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: to the other team. If any side persists in trying 671 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: to delay the game, then they get a foul. 672 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,720 Speaker 3: The umpire shall be judged of the men and shall 673 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 3: note the fouls and notify the referee. When three consecutive 674 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: fowls have been made, he shall have power to disqualify 675 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,959 Speaker 3: men according to rule five. I'm sorry an umpire in basketball. 676 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,479 Speaker 3: Yeah they changed it, yeah lasphemy. Yeah yeah, so uh okay, 677 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 3: but we do we have a referee, right exactly. So 678 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: the next rule, the referee shall be judge of the 679 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 3: ball and shall decide when the ball is in play 680 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 3: in bounds to which side it belongs, and she'll keep 681 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 3: the time. He shall decide when a goal has been 682 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: made and keep account of the goals, with any other 683 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 3: duties that are usually performed by a referee. So the 684 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 3: way it's written, it sounds like there's a bath and 685 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 3: an umpire, but now they're the same guy. That makes sense. 686 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 3: Seems like it's convoluted to have both. 687 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: Well, no way, it could be one of those things. 688 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 2: So like in football, there's like a ref there's an umpire, 689 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: there's like all the different people have a different type. 690 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: Of jurisdiction brand Yeah, I get it. But then basketball 691 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: you just have referees and baseballly you just have umpires. 692 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: There's no jurisdiction for them. Yeah, I don't know. It 693 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: seems like basketball is. 694 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 3: A little more of a of a ni kind of 695 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: sport too, like where one person could probably keep track, 696 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 3: it's not like an insane number of players. 697 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: And it's similar in some ways to like how soccer works. 698 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: Were, like the refs move up and down the field, 699 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 2: and so when you're on this part of the field, 700 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: they're assigned to like this section and stuff like that. 701 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 2: So like everyone's kind of calling similar things in a 702 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: basketball game, which. 703 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 3: Goes to show too that a ref in basketball, or 704 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 3: maybe in any sport, particularly in basketball, not not so 705 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 3: much in baseball, has to be pretty fit because they 706 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 3: got to keep right moving, bobbing and weaving and running along. 707 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 2: And that's where it's different than like football is because 708 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: you have like this guy's job is to make sure 709 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: everyone's on side, along with a couple of other calls. 710 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 2: But like they're very much more specialized jobs for football referees. 711 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And there's there's more to look at too, right. Also, 712 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: the weird system of how they outline a first down 713 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: on the stadium or on the on the field is 714 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 1: pretty fascinating. Still, all that eludes me a down. It's 715 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: Greek to me. 716 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: It's fine. I'm fine with it keeping it that way. 717 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 1: You're there for the commercials, you know what I mean. 718 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 3: I'm there to hear other people's hot takes on the commercials. 719 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 3: I don't even need to see the commercials themselves. 720 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: I love going to live sports games for the energy, 721 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: and I love concessions food. I know it's super trash, 722 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: but I I I know those nachos are not worth 723 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: twelve dollars or whatever. That color does not exist in nation, 724 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: but it hits different. That's hit different especially. 725 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 3: You know what I really like is French fries at 726 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 3: a baseball game, smothered. 727 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: In catch up directly on the fries. Amazing. 728 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 3: That at leaks for me as the nostalgic things I 729 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 3: used to play Little league and then go to little 730 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: league games. That's just a classic sport. You know, snack 731 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 3: like peanuts at faseball. That's how I feel too. 732 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. The next rule is the time shall be two 733 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: to fifteen minute halves with five minutes rest between. And 734 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 1: the final rule this is again from our pal Nick Greens. 735 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 3: You don't talk about fight club as you. 736 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: Don't talk about fight Club, That's right, James Nasmith, inventor 737 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: of fight Club. Chuck Palainook has been lying to you. 738 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: Uh No. The last rule is the side making the 739 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: most goals and in that time in that time window 740 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: will be declared the winner. If there is a draw 741 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,919 Speaker 1: and the captains of the teams agree, then they can 742 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: just keep playing in kind of a death mode record. 743 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: Scratch that foul ball. 744 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 3: We're we're we're ding dong, ding dong. 745 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: We're successfully making this one of the seven times out timeouts? 746 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: We get is it times out or is it timeouts? 747 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 1: Time outs? Unclear timeouts? It's not like attorneys General. Okay, 748 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: we're taking we're taking the bass. There's so much more 749 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: to explore about the world of basketball thanks to our 750 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: research associate. 751 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 3: Doctor Z's that's right, not to be confused with doctor J. J. Jay, 752 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 3: who is an important figure in the early days of basketball. 753 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: That's doctor J's name. I almost got it. Hold on, 754 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: hold on, then I see googling. I have googling. I 755 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: can tell you hold on almost. Oh gosh. What is 756 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: the male name that is most likely to begin with 757 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: a J that is not Justin. 758 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 3: Or Jason Johnson close Jensen. 759 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: Also, I have a part two's question. Oh boy, oh, 760 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: now I'm trying too hard and it's gone. What is it? 761 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 3: Julius Julius Irving, Julius Irving. 762 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: That's right. 763 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 2: What league did he play in? And b L No, 764 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 2: you played at the American Basketball Association. 765 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: There was two leagues. There's the NBA and the ABA, 766 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,919 Speaker 1: and they they've went together. Hey, man, if I put 767 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: together a trivia team, do you want to be the 768 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: sports ringer. I'm looking for a new sports ringer. 769 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,839 Speaker 2: Sure, it's it's about forty five thousand dollars a year 770 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: to retain me. 771 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 3: That sounds pretty reasonable. Actually, I mean, I'd like you 772 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 3: take it in bar tabs. I'd like it for you 773 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: to pay me. 774 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: Feat. 775 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: I take it in a French fries covered in ketchup boom. 776 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: All right, a delicacy. This will all make sense later. 777 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: Thanks also or not or not. Thanks also to our 778 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: super producer, mister Max Williams. Thanks to Jonathan Strickland aka 779 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: the Quiz who else? Who else? Oh? 780 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 3: You know all the hits, Alex Williams who composed He's 781 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 3: Jeff Coates. Chris rossiotis here in spirit, the works You 782 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: Me and the Devil Makes Three. 783 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,760 Speaker 1: Basketball is fun. We'll see you next time, folks. 784 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 785 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.