1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse 2 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: a spectacular, a wonderful Thursday, Tuesday. Sorry, I got myself 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: super excited. I'm super exciting. So we have to try 5 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: to finish up Anzio tonight. Yes, I will get to 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: some politics next hour. Trump's talking about Jeff Bezos and 7 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: the Washington Post being controlled by the crazy people. There's 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: a wonderful conversation to have about that. There's a hilarious 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: article out about feminists being dumped for being feminists. Good 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: ceasefire agreement in the Black Sea all that's so much 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: more coming up in the final hour of the world 12 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: famous Jesse Kelly Show. But we're not in the final hour, 13 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: are we. We are in the second hour, and time 14 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: for our number two. Part two. I should say of 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: the Battle of Anzio in World War Two. I've told 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: you before. I've always found this to be fascinating and 17 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: most people don't know much about, really any part of 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: the Italian campaign. Part one was last night. It was 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: mostly set up. If you happen to miss it, here's 20 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: the thirty second version of it. The Allies wanted to 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: find a way to distract Germany, also to potentially find 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: a way into Europe from the southern end. They decided 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: to try for Italy, but the Italians surrendered. The Germans 24 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: took over Italy, and now the Germans are lying in 25 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: wait for the Allies dug in ready to kill a 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: bunch of them. We under a man named General Lucas. 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: We land at Anzio behind the German lines, of course, 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: and the Germans are led by a general by the 29 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: name of Kesserling, a very very capable general. To put 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: it mildly, we land at Anzio. The coast is clear. 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: General Lucas has an opportunity to then push towards Rome 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: quickly if he moves with speed and purpose. Instead, he's 33 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: a nervous man. He believes they're all lying in wait, 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: and he waits. As he waits, Kesserling gets his Germans 35 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: into place. And this comes back to something we talk 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: about a lot. One of the incredibly boring aspects that 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: I love of wars and battles are logistics. Logistics moving men, 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: moving materials to and fro. In fact, let's talk about 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: that really briefly, as it pertains to where we're at 40 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: in the world at this point in time. This is 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, early nineteen forty four. The D Day 42 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: invasion is six months away. So here's here are the 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: naval strains on the world. The United States of America 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: has been fighting a war against the Jetjapanese in the 45 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Pacific for a long time. The Brits are also trying 46 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: to fight against the Japanese in that area, Burma, places 47 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: like that. We also have to deal with the Soviet Union. 48 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: They need help, they need supplied. We can't just ship 49 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: supply ships into the Soviet Union. The German U boats 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: will sink them. So we have to dedicate. Everyone has 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: to dedicate naval assets there. They're shipping in the Africa. 52 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: There's shipping everywhere. And again everything is finite. Troops are finite, 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: navies are finite. We are not getting the best of 54 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: the best for the side campaign, I hate to call it, 55 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: that is known as Operation Shingle, the side campaign of 56 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: Anzio of Italy. We don't get the best of anything. Now, 57 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: that's our logistical problem. On the German side, they could 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: move troops quickly the roads, they knew the area they 59 00:03:55,600 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: would dug in. They quickly get their troops surround us 60 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: in Anzio. By this point, they've commandeered the trains. They're 61 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: using it all now. And one of the all time 62 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: bad timing things, you know, how Lucas gets there to 63 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: Anzio and he parks it for a little while while 64 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: we dig in, So we create this kind of beachhead, 65 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: this big bubble one. We're dug in and things are 66 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 1: going well. Lucas waits until he thinks, Okay, I guess 67 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: I guess we should check things out and maybe we 68 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: should move forward out of here. He starts to move 69 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: out or probe whether or not he should move out, 70 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: right about the precise time Germans surround us and dig 71 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: in with cracked troops. We start to probe out, we 72 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: start to send patrols out and they don't come back. 73 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: And I'm going to talk to you about this, just 74 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: really briefly. Patrol because you've you've heard that word a lot, 75 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you've ever watched a movie or read 76 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: a war book, or you've heard the term patrol. But 77 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: what does it mean. Well, this is actually a great 78 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: example of what it means. It's part of living the 79 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: life of an infantryman. You will have an area you're 80 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: dug in, we'll just call it a base, but it 81 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: doesn't always have to be that, but a place where 82 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: you have a headquarters, in a hospital, a place that 83 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: you have secured, a secured perimeter of some kind, call 84 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: it that. But you don't win a war by staying 85 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: in base wherever you are. Even if you're on the defense, 86 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: you have to go out and find out where's the enemy, 87 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: where's he moving around. If you're on the offense, you 88 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: have to go find out. Hey, there's a little town 89 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: over here. I wonder if there are some German troops 90 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: in that town. We should go check it out. Now, 91 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: let's stop and take it yet another little sidetrack. Why 92 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: don't you know if there are troops in that town 93 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: or not at this point in time. Because both sides 94 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: have air power, all the movement is at night. During 95 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: the day, the planes fly over, it's like everything is 96 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: dead on the ground. Whatever you want to do German 97 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: side American side, you have to do it in the dark. 98 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: So if you're the Americans and you're dug in, if 99 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: you want to know if there are German troops, well 100 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: you have to send a patrol out and find out 101 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: if there are German troops. You see. Now we send 102 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: patrols out and like I said, they start dying. How 103 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: many at one point in time. You know about rangers. 104 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: Everyone knows, you've heard the word Army Rangers. Will Rangers 105 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: are really getting their start here. And I know that 106 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: rogers rangers pre revolutionary. Where I understand the Rangers trace 107 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: their lineage clear back to them. But this is when 108 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: the Army Rangers are becoming the Army Rangers. The studs 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 1: they have now, and they were studs at this point 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: in time. They took the best of the best, put 111 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: them through brutal training, and these guys came out the 112 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: other end studs. At one point we sent out a 113 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: patrol the Rangers who didn't get massacred. Seven hundred and 114 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: sixty seven of them were taken prisoner. That's the level 115 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: of German competition we have around Anzio. That's who's dug 116 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: in here. We are now trapped. We keep sending out 117 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: these patrols and our patrols continue to run into a 118 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: German perimeter that is dug in. We are trapped. We 119 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: are held inside of this pocket. But the Germans weren't 120 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: going to let us just sit there now, we're going 121 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: to talk about artillery briefly artillery in World War One, 122 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: because it's gonna matter. Have you ever seen any of 123 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: the huge artillery guns from World War One? Fascinating, Highly 124 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: recommend you look them up. They even had names artillery guns, 125 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: but they were much bigger than most of the artillery 126 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: guns that we were using in World War Two. Why, though, 127 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: why would you have bigger guns that fire further and 128 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: bigger shells in World War One than you do in 129 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: World War Two. Well, yes, you want your artillery guns 130 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: to be big and to fire big shells and things 131 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: like that, but they also need to be able to move. 132 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Why do they need to be able to move? Because 133 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: unlike in World War One, the opposing army's going to move. 134 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: In World War One, you could fire those big shells 135 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: because they're dug into a fort or they're dug into 136 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: a trench in the ground. In World War Two, when 137 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: the armies are always moving, they're mobile, you can't have 138 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: a huge artillery piece that requires a freaking train to 139 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: get it into place, because by the time you get 140 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: it into place, the end simply have moved and you're 141 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: out of luck, unless, of course, you're stuck in a 142 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: little pocket on the coast of Anzio, with nowhere to go, 143 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: the Germans bring up something known as Anzio Annie. What 144 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: was Anzio Annie? It was actually not one, It was 145 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: two artillery pieces. Go look up Anzio Annie. That is 146 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: the kind of firepower that was raining down on our 147 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: troops in this pocket. And Hitler himself, he said, I 148 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: don't want the Allies to remain where they are. I 149 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: want to I think he called it a boil. I 150 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: think he said he wants to lance the boil. If 151 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: I remember right of the Anzio campaign. Hitler knows he 152 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: has us surrounded. He knows he has us surrounded by 153 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: crack German troops. He knows our general is, obviously, at 154 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: this point in time, a cautious type. If we're being nice, 155 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: we'll call General Lucas cautious. 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You can 181 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: email the show love hey, death threats, whatever you'd like 182 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Continuing on with our 183 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: history The Battle of Anzio WW two. This is of 184 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: course part two. Part one was last night. If you 185 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: miss that, iHeart Spotify iTunes. It's all free. Just go 186 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: download the podcast to the show and catch up. Now 187 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: back to where we were. We are dug in and Anzio. 188 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: The Germans have surrounded us. We start probing, start sending 189 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: patrols out to see exactly what the resistance is. And 190 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: we are finding out the hard, bloody way that resistance 191 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: is heavy and that these are not chumps. These are 192 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: highly trained German troops and they're giving as good as 193 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: they're getting. And that brings us to the story of 194 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Felix Sparks. There's a chance you've heard the name Felix 195 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: Sparks because he was actually involved in one of the 196 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: most famous parts of the war. Felix Sparks after this, 197 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: long after this, ended up being part of a unit 198 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: that liberated one of the concentration camps. That's what he's 199 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: most famous for. But that was not. If you talk 200 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: to Felix Sparks later on in his life, that was 201 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: not the worst moment of his life. That was a 202 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: dark moment. Obviously, you walk into a camp with people 203 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: starving to death, that was a dark moment. The worst 204 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: moment of his life came here in Anzio. Now, what 205 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: in the world could possibly have happened to Felix Sparks 206 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: that was worse than finding a freaking concentration camp. Well, 207 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: this brings us to a conversation we've had before on 208 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: the show about about how, look, the life is unfair. Okay, 209 00:13:53,240 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: war is obviously extremely unfair, and even within militaries there 210 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: is oftentimes an extremely disproportionate number of amount of the 211 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: burden held by a few people in the military. Here's 212 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: a good example, our most recent one, Iraq Afghanistan. Regular 213 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: troops put in good, honorable service in Iraq and Afghanistan. 214 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: That's true. These special operations guys, Seals and Green Berets 215 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: and those types, they really bore the burden of that war. 216 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: Ten twelve deployments. We're talking Navy Seal heroes killing themselves 217 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: when they get back. They're so mentally shattered from carrying 218 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: the burden of that war World War two. Since we're 219 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: on the subject of World War Two, You know what 220 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: I think about a lot when I think about things 221 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: like the Battle of Midway, I think about our torpedo pilots. 222 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, we really generally had a few different kinds 223 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: of pilots. There were fighter pilots, and there were dive 224 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: bomber pilots, and there were torpedo planes. And they would 225 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: carry one torpedo underneath them and they would have to 226 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: carry it very low level with the water and fly 227 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: directly at a ship. If that sounds like suicide, good 228 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: because it pretty much was. On top of all that, 229 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: our torpedoes for the longest time in World War two 230 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: didn't work. It was a national scandal at the time. 231 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was terrible, Chris. We had faulty torpedoes. 232 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: They would hit ships and not even blow up. We 233 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: would be listening and we'd hear it cliank off the ship. 234 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: It wouldn't blow up, or they would just dive down 235 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the ocean because the fins were wrong. 236 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: They'd stick. So we had these torpedo guys at the 237 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: Battle of Midway. I forget what the exact number is, 238 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: so I'm going to mess up the exact number, but 239 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: I think it was forty forty five of them went out. 240 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: None of them came home. Now you think about the 241 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: Battle of Midway, it's thought as this thought of as 242 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: this tremendous success, and of course it was. We stopped 243 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: the Japanese advance and we ambushed them, and from then 244 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: on they were always on the retreat. And of course 245 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: it was a success for America, for the military, for 246 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: the Navy, for the Marines, for the it was a huge, 247 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: huge success. But that one unit, the torpedo guys, none 248 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: of them came home. They were all gone pretty much all. 249 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: I forget what the exact numbers are, but it was 250 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: basically all of them gone. In wars, infantry troops, frontline 251 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: infantry troops will bear a tremendous burden that many other troops, 252 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: not that there's anything wrong with their service, that many 253 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: other troops simply will never know and will never feel. 254 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: We've brought up D Day so many times that this unit. Yeah, 255 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: the total numbers are are bad, but this entire unit 256 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: was gone. Felix Sparks, he was a company commander at 257 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: the time. Just think two hundred men. Whenever I say company, 258 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: think two hundred men. That number is never going to 259 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: be exact, but that's rough. Okay, two hundred men. He's 260 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: a company commander. He is a company commander of a 261 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: guard unit. It's more of a think about it this way, 262 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: hometown boys. His unit, he was a Colorado guy, Felix Sparks. 263 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: His unit was basically all Colorado and Oklahoma guys. Now, 264 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: these are people he would have already trained with. These 265 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: are people. If he didn't know them personally, he would 266 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: have known people who knew them, because he would have 267 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: known these communities. He would have known them in an 268 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: intimate way. The same way in your area, if you 269 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 1: wherever you happen to live, if you go overseas anywhere 270 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: in peace time. Look, it just happened to me. I 271 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: told you when we were in Italy. I was at 272 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: the elevator and we had to go to some stupid 273 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: dinner thing I didn't want to go to. And it 274 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: was all these foreigners all around me. And there was 275 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 1: this couple, this old black couple there and they were 276 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: speaking English and I knew they were Americans. We hugged. 277 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: It was yes, my people, right, you have an infinity. Well, 278 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: his people were from his area. That was the unit 279 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: he commanded, and we'll talk about what happened that day. 280 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: Hang on, you're listening to the ourcle love this one. 281 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: It's a scream Baby, the Jesse Kelly Show. It is 282 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Tuesday. Back to 283 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: our story talking about the Battle of Anzio. This is 284 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: part two of all of it. So Felix Sparks, he 285 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: commands an infantry unit. He commands an infantry unit at 286 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: Anzio at a time where it's tough duty to command 287 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: an infantry company at Anzio because the Germans have decided 288 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: they are going to push the Americans back into the sea, 289 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: and they begin to pound American lines, in filtrate, invade, 290 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: and we don't like to ever think in these terms, 291 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to World War Two. They're winning, 292 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: they're pushing Americans back. Our lines are collapsing. Felix Sparks Company, 293 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: they were on the far flank. Now that means they're 294 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: on the end. And whenever you were on the end 295 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: of a line, you know you have all these troops 296 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: set up. When you were on the end, you have 297 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: by far the most important job, because if you collapse, 298 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: if the end of the line collapses, it can actually 299 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: mean everybody dies because it allows the enemy to get 300 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to the side of everyone behind and beside everyone and 301 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: essentially envelop them and wipe them out. It's part of 302 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: how Julius Caesar beat Pompy Magnus in almost this exact 303 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: same way. He was outnumbered. Pompey had everything, Pompy had 304 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: better supplies. Julius Caesar attacked one of his flanks, wiped 305 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: it out, and rolled up his entire army. Just ancient days, 306 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: modern days, if you're on the end, you must hold fast. 307 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Sparks is on the end. He's out there with his 308 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: entire company, dug in and income some cracked German troops. 309 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: At first, Sparks describes it as he couldn't figure out 310 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: who was coming at him because there were so many. 311 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: There were so many, and they were trotting just right 312 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: at him. He actually called back to headquarters and said, hey, 313 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: do we have any of our guys wearing overcoats and stuff, 314 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: and headquarters once they figured things out, said no, those 315 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: are Germans. You might want to start shooting. Sparks's unit 316 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty seventh, they started shooting, and the 317 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Germans were shooting back, and it was some of the 318 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: most terrible fighting, and it's kind of one of those things. 319 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: Guys loved these stories because of the heroism. At the 320 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 1: same time everyone hates men and women. We hate these 321 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: stories because of how horrible and tragic it was. They 322 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: were way out numbered and they had no chance. The 323 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: Germans started to mow through this company. Now, this company 324 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: was given as good as they were getting. At one 325 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: point in time, a guy we still don't know his name. 326 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: We only know about him and what he did because 327 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Sparks saw him do it. The guy hopped up on 328 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: top of a tank. There was a fifty cow there, 329 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: Germans all around him coming at him. He strapped himself 330 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: to the fifty cow and just started putting in work, 331 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: putting down Germans like you can't believe, till finally a 332 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: German snuck up on him killed him too. Felix Sparks's 333 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: company is dying. There are Germans inside the lines, there 334 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: are Germans around the lines, and soon Sparks described what 335 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: it was like. This had to be the most amazing feeling, 336 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: the most horrific feeling in the world. Sparks knew the 337 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: stakes if his line collapsed. His line collapsed, and Germans 338 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: were pouring beside him, going right by him, practically ignoring 339 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: him as they poured back into the rest of the troops. 340 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: What would that have been like? You're watching the enemy. 341 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: He can turn and kill you at any moment. Instead, 342 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: he's infiltrating back into American lines. Sparks, what's left of 343 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: his men, which aren't many at this point in time, 344 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 1: has to be some sort of an organized retreat. He 345 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: ends up in a cave. He's in a cave, and 346 00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: the Germans eventually find out where he is, where everyone 347 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: one is in the cave. So the Germans start sending troops, 348 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: some of their best troops, the shock troops, after him. 349 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: When's the last time you were in a cave? I? 350 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Personally I love them because they're creepy, aren't They can't 351 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: see you, don't know what's around the corner. That ever 352 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: look like they do in the movies where it's this 353 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: perfect line, there's always this crevice here and there. They're 354 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: just creepy. Now they're creepy on your own when you're 355 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: waiting for a bat to fly into your ear. What's 356 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: a cave like as you try to throw as many 357 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: grenades as possible and kill as many Germans before they 358 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: can come into the cave and finish you off. Felix 359 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: Sparks is stuck in this cave for days, killing Germans 360 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: as they try to get in the entryway. It's so 361 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: bad he has to keep calling American artillery in on 362 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: top of his position so they can kill as many 363 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: Germans as possible at the entryway of the cave by 364 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: the time this thing is over. Remember what I was 365 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: talking about about, how some units they bear the entire 366 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: run of things. Felix Sparks and one other man, they 367 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: are the ones who finally made it back to the 368 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: command tent when it was over. One other guy, the 369 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: rest of them gone. Mingo looked up Felix Sparks. I 370 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: believe he lived to be in his eighties. I think 371 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: they wrote a book about him called The Liberator, which 372 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: obviously focused mainly on the liberation of the concentration camp 373 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: things like that. That was stuff he went on to 374 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: do later on. But Felix Sparks, his men they all 375 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: died here. Now he didn't obviously, but his men they 376 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: all died. That is how desperate the fighting is as 377 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: the journe woman's push and push and push. At one 378 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: point in time, they've broken through enough American lines, they've 379 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: killed enough Americans at Anzio that we are finally at 380 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: our last line of defense. You know what defense in 381 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: depth is, right, We've talked about it before. I have 382 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: a very old way of thinking, ancient warfare way of 383 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: thinking would be you put all your troops on the line, 384 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: and they'll put all their troops on the line, and 385 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: then and then you slam into each other and you 386 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: fight until you win. And then you know offense defense 387 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: that's what you do. And then both sides eventually figured out, 388 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: wait a minute, if I'm on offense, I should hold 389 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: a unit in reserve in case something goes wrong. Then 390 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: I can plug them in here and defensively, we figured 391 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: this out too. We really mastered this during World War One. 392 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: We don't need a trench. A trench can be taken out. 393 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: They can invade and thin get that. We need lines 394 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: of trenches, so you to take this trench line and 395 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: then the next trench line, and then the next trench line. Well, 396 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: same concept here. This was very much World War One 397 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: style fighting. We eventually get back to our final trench line. 398 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: The next thing behind it is the freaking sea. And 399 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: just to let you know how desperate this was, there 400 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: is and I believe it's still there to this day. 401 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 1: I've never been. I would like to go. There is 402 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: an entire command structure for our generals underground, because anything 403 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: above ground was dying. At this point in time, artillery 404 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: machine guns Germans coming in the Battle of Anzio was terrible. 405 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: Beyond belief. We as all this is going on in 406 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: desperation to save the troops of Anzio, because at this 407 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: point in time people were saying this is going to 408 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: be the next Gunkirk, that's how bad it was going 409 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: to be. They launched yet another offensive set south of 410 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: Anzio at that Gustav Linemember I told you it was 411 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: about halfway up the Italian boot the German defensive line. 412 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: They were so desperate to save the troops at Anzio 413 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: that they launched another offensive at the gustav line that 414 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: also failed because they weren't they couldn't get up the 415 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 1: hills to kill them, so they were dying going up 416 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: the hills in another part of Italy just to try 417 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: and save the American troops at Anzio who were dying. 418 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: It's wold. You've never heard about this story, right, Normandy Ewojim. 419 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: You know those things that get all the love. This 420 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: was as terrible fighting as it was. All Right, I'm 421 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: gonna wrap up this story and we'll move on back 422 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: to politics in a moment. Before I do that. You 423 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: know our dogs, I can't believe they live as long 424 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: as they do. America, we know our dogs die early. 425 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: Here people have been confused for the longest time as 426 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: to why why would our dogs die early? Because American 427 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 1: dogs get dog food. Dog food is made in a factory. 428 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: They kill all the nutrition in it and then it 429 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: stays good on the shelf forever. So you make it 430 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: in the dog food factory and you send it to 431 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: Maine and to Alaska, in California and everywhere in between, 432 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: and it stays good. The problem is Muffy doesn't get 433 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: any nutrition. So you have to find a different way. 434 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: Sprinkle roughcrems on your dog's food. It's an all natural 435 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: nutritional supplement with the omega oils and antioxidants and just 436 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: everything your dog needs to live long. You will see 437 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: such a physical difference in your dog. The coat is shinier. 438 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: I swear it's in a couple of weeks. Breath is 439 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: better energy, Your dog will live longer. Don't you want 440 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: your dog longer? Free jumpstart Triobags available at eight three 441 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: three three three. My dog are going to Roughgreens dot com. 442 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: Slash Jessie, we'll be back the Jesse Kelly Show. It 443 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Tuesday. Don't worry, 444 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: we still have an hour left. I'll get back to 445 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: politics in a little bit. We'll talk about how the 446 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: communists end up controlling the street. Animals can control the 447 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: boss if the boss isn't careful, and feminists and all 448 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: kinds of other things. And this brings us to this 449 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: point in time. So the German offensive to push us 450 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 1: into the sea does stall out, It does fail, both 451 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: sides digging in still now, General Lucas gets sacked. They 452 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: dump him, and look, I have all kinds of emails 453 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: about well how we start out yesterday, Jesse. Isn't this 454 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: why Patten said a good plan executed now is better 455 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: than a perfect plan executed next week. Yes, it's one 456 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: of Patton's great lines. Look at generals are a hard 457 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: thing to analyze. You're gonna have your favorites and ones 458 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: you hate. I'm gonna have my favorites and ones I hate. 459 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: It is what it is. I generally try to trust 460 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: the men who served under them, because that usually doesn't lie. 461 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: That's my barometer for it. But I'll say this about 462 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: General Lucas, really about any general you love or hate. 463 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: Remember that generals have traveling press tours with them. They 464 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: have staffs of propagandists with them for and against them. 465 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Lots of the generals we look back on, not just 466 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: in World War Two, but prior to that historically, Lots 467 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: of the generals we have that we think so highly of. 468 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: He was the most brilliant, He was the best. He was. 469 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: He had a team of writers with him writing down 470 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: how wonderful he was at all times, and oftentimes those 471 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: are the documents that survive the ages. And this is 472 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: in no way dogging on somebody like Alexander the Great, 473 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: for instance, Alexander the Great, one of the greats of 474 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: all time. Of course, not denying that Alexander the Great 475 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: was also aware that propaganda mattered, how he was thought 476 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: of mattered. He was very much a human being who 477 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: saw his historical significance he wanted to be historically great. 478 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: Alexander the Great took a lot of steps to ensure 479 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: there were people around him writing about him that made 480 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: him look pretty good, sound pretty good. MacArthur was infamous 481 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: for this every I don't mean to even call out 482 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: those two guys. Generals in command can be they can 483 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: get the rewards of a great press team, and they 484 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: can also catch the ire of history if there's a 485 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: propaganda tool were against them, if there are vested interests 486 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: against them. I don't know whether General Lucas was a 487 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: great general, bad general, great man, bad man. I'm not 488 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. I have no idea. You want 489 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: to point to his failures here and say he got 490 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of brave soldiers killed with his cautiousness, cowardice, 491 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: or whatever word you want to put on it, Okay, 492 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: I give you that. You want to say he's following 493 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: the advice he got from people. I would agree with that, maybe, Donald, 494 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what if what if the failures at 495 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: Anzio and it was not well received back home that 496 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: we were taking these kind of losses for a place. 497 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: The American people didn't understand why they were supposed to 498 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: care about what if What if Lucas was the scapegoat 499 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: for Fdr. Eisenhower even and I'm not even saying he was. 500 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: What if those guys who would have had friendly people 501 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: in the media they didn't want to look bad. What 502 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: if they went to the big newspapers and said, Hey, 503 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: this General Lucas, what a dirtball. Huh really screwed this 504 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: whole thing up? What's gonna survive to the year twenty 505 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: twenty five. All those articles, all those books, all those 506 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: quotes about what a complete nut or more on General 507 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Lucas was. But whatever it was, he gets sacked, He 508 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: gets replaced. His deputy slowly but surely builds up American 509 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: supplies all this while while we're dug in and kind 510 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: of everything stalls. Now he's hoovering up as many bombs, bullets, armor, 511 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: as much as he can get onto the beach in 512 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: his sector. He gets onto the beach, and then we 513 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: once again attacked down south at the gustav line, and 514 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: again we attempt another breakout at Anzio, and finally, after 515 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: months and months of fighting, we do break out. We 516 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: are successful. You can see the video to this day 517 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: of General Clark on his jeep cruising through Rome as 518 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: we reconquered Rome, and all those other things. But Anzio, 519 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: and there are good books out on this. I would 520 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: recommend it if the subject interests you at all. Anzio 521 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: was one of those things that never sat well with 522 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: the guys who were there. It didn't the American public 523 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: wasn't in love with it. And look, doesn't that kind 524 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: of make the point I was just making about generals, 525 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: it's a battle. Most people don't know that much about why, 526 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: because that wasn't what the United States of America. They 527 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: didn't want that in the headlines. They didn't want that 528 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: as chapter one of the World War two book. They 529 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: wanted that buried in the back somewhere because it was 530 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: a side mission, really a distraction mission. But it was 531 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,399 Speaker 1: a distraction mission where we ended up leaving a lot 532 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: of guys high and dry. I'll tell you Felix Sparks. 533 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: You remember, Felix Spark's a guy who lost his entire unit. 534 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: From what I can gather from the things he wrote 535 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: and said, had a lot of bitterness and sadness the 536 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: rest of his life. Guy lost his entire company, Like 537 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: even if he didn't know all of them personally. He 538 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,959 Speaker 1: would have known their towns, he would have known people 539 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: who knew them. What if you're in command of two 540 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: hundred men, all of them die and you find out 541 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: that they all died on a side mission for a 542 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: country that you didn't even really place a top priority on. 543 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: It's hard enough if you knew your friends died in 544 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 1: a worthy cause, you find out you lost all your friends, 545 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: all your men for that kind of think, it's going 546 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: to stay with you, isn't it. So there, that's the 547 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: Battle of Anzio. I hope you enjoyed it. I did. 548 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: Now we have to discuss well, the Washington Post. Remember 549 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: when remember Jeff Bezos, he's the guy who owns Amazon. 550 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: Remember he came out and he said, hey, the Washington 551 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: Post is going to focus on freedom in America. Really 552 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: said a raw rob patriotic stuff. But then that hasn't 553 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: really materialized. We'll talk about that in a moment before 554 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: we talk about that April seconds coming, that's tariff date. 555 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,919 Speaker 1: What have you done to protect your retirement before that date? 556 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: And I don't know. 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