1 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back another edition of the 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. It's Tuesday. It's August, tenth year 3 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: of our Lord, twenty twenty one. How jam packed are we? Well, 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: you have got a podcast coming from me in some shape, 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: form or fashion every day of the week. Now, well, 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,159 Speaker 1: at least Monday through Friday. Jordan has to take a 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: break at some point. I'm told that's a regulation mandated 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: by US law, so we will allow him to do that. 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: But Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there is something new 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: for you here. As you know, we have gone to 11 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: three weeks, as we call him, three nights a week, 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: Late Kick Live Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday night over on the 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel. Of course, you 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: get a replay of that via podcast the next morning. 15 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: But I have listened, you have spoken loud and clear. 16 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: We're keeping both mailbag episodes every week. So every Tuesday, 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: every Thursday, you're gonna get somewhere between thirty minutes and 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: an hour's worth of wall to wall Q and a 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: Josh pat seven zero six at gmail dot com if 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: you want to submit a question. There also Twitter and 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Instagram at Latekickjosh here's something that's interesting that's been happening. 22 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Some of you have actually been so many questions, but 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: you don't follow me, and I'm not saying I'm hurt. Well, 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: hold on a second. If I tell you it hurts, 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: will that change your mind? And have you follow me? 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: If you're nodding your head, yes, it hurt. Listen, did 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: you hear that? I'm clutching my chest right now? It 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: hurts me at Latekickjosh Twitter Instagram. There are many reasons 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: why we need to grow those accounts, many reasons, the 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: least of which is I want to feel more popular. 31 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Of course that always helps, but there are several reasons 32 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: why it helps us. Helps us to keep the show free. 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: It helps us attract the necessary attention that we need 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: to keep the show free, and so you guys can help. Also, 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: we have a lot of fun over there. It's not 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: like I just tweet out links and nothing more. In fact, 37 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: if you're following me on Instagram, you already got a 38 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: major heads up yesterday as to one of the huge 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: announcements we have coming. What is it? I don't know, 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: I can I can't tell you yet, but I sure 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: could show you last night. So for those of you 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: who were sending a lot more weird than it was 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: those of you who are following me on Instagram at 44 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: late Kick Josh, you saw that the rest of you 45 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: will find out in due time. I think it's a 46 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: couple of weeks away, probably maybe a week two weeks away. 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: So it's going to be fun. I will say that 48 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be fun as it is the mail 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: bag this morning. So let's not waste any more time. 50 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: Let's dive in. Actually this isn't wasted time, but I 51 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: wanted to say one more thing. When I was doing 52 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: the show the other night, or if you listen to 53 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: it the next down pod, you heard me mention the 54 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: family of Spence Dalton. That's a first responder, a firefighter 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: ems out of a Coney County. It's in Georgia. It's 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: in northern Georgia, beautiful portion of the state. But what 57 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: happened to Spence Dalton was terrible. So in June, they 58 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: were responding to a down tree and they're cutting the 59 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: tree down and trying to get it off the road 60 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: so traffic can go through, and a driver hit him 61 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: and stopped momentarily but then sped off. Now, as I 62 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: told you on the show the other night they caught 63 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,839 Speaker 1: the driver. So this isn't an update on a man 64 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: hunt in northern Georgia. But Spence Dalton was tore up 65 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: really bad and they've needed help on medical bills. So 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: the other night I gave a simple call to action. 67 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: I knew it was not going to take more than 68 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: once and I was right. You guys came through. I 69 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: got an email the next morning they had a massive 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: surge in donations. I retweeted it one more time if 71 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: you want to contribute, because the medical bills are very 72 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: steep here, and this is as is the case with 73 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: a vast majority of us, not a family that's ready 74 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: to just incur six figure expenses in the medical field 75 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: and not feel it. So they don't need to because 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: we can help them out. We helped all our friends 77 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: down on the Gulf Coast last year with the hurricanes, 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of you remained anonymous when you did that. 79 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: A lot of you have chosen to do that again. 80 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't care what you choose to do. I just 81 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: care that you choose to help, and I think so 82 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: much of you, So if you're looking to help, you 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: can find that link I put it out on Twitter 84 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: the other night, and it's going to be there a 85 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: couple of times in my feed. But the Dalton family 86 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: and friends, they wanted me to express to you their 87 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: ultra sincere in all caps appreciation. So if you want 88 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: to know what makes this show a little bit different 89 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: than maybe an average show out there, well, that's one 90 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: of the aspects. It's called community. It's not just a 91 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: show that's called community. So I appreciate you guys doing that. 92 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's roll into the mailbag this morning. Edwin 93 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: is going to get us cranked up. He said, how 94 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: well is the ACC situated right now? Obviously they aren't 95 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: as powerful as the SEC or Big Ten, but they're 96 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: clearly in better shape than the Big twelve, aren't they? 97 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: Since they don't seem all that interested in expanding beyond 98 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: the possibility of Notre Dame, and the conference has notoriously 99 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: been a one horse show recently, is there a danger 100 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: they could weaken their position by lack of action and 101 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: possibly have Clemson or other prominent programs jumpship out of 102 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: the ACC to be poached by another conference, like maybe 103 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 1: the Big Ten or the SEC. Edwin. This is something 104 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: that was talked about and very much feared just this 105 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: time last week. I did not necessarily share that sentiment, 106 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: and I don't share that centiment. I don't think that 107 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: there is a crippling amount of concern in the ACC 108 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: right now. I do not think they're in danger of 109 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: losing Clemson. I do not think they're in danger of 110 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: losing Florida State, at least in the immediate future. Grant 111 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: of right is something that's boring to talk about. You 112 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: probably heard the phrase, but you haven't bothered to research 113 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: it yourself, not you Edwin, anyone out there with a life. 114 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: It ties those programs down for quite a while. I'll 115 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: also say there's been talk about West Virginia. Our Bud 116 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: Elliott here has actually spoken about this at link on 117 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: several different platforms, and I think what he has said 118 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: about it is dead on the money. From a pure 119 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: football fans standpoint. You probably look at West Virginia, and 120 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: I include myself here because I feel this way. I 121 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: look at West Virginia and I think with that add 122 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: a solid athletic department, a perennially committed to winning, an 123 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: excellence and investment athletic department to the ACC. If the 124 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: answer is yes, I would love to see him. Adam Well, 125 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: the answer is yes. But I don't think they're looking 126 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: to add West Virginia because obviously from a more dollars 127 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: and cents business market share, whatever standpoint, it doesn't quite 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: make as much sense. All forms of sense have been 129 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: used in this sentence now, and so I don't think 130 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: there are additions outside of Notre Dame obviously being the 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: unicorn out there that are coming. Having said that, are 132 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: they in a situation to weaken themselves? No, I think 133 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: they're in a position to strengthen themselves. Ed when you 134 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: mentioned it, you hit the nail on the head. This 135 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: has been a one horse race or a one tiger 136 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: race for far too long. So everyone can talk about 137 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: how weak the ACC has been, and I'm not going 138 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: to disagree, but I would counter with this. What's more 139 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: likely over the next five years that North Carolina, Miami, 140 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: Florida state, you can go up and down the east 141 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: coast of Virginia Tech. All these programs remain inferior on 142 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: a national level, or at least one, if not two, 143 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: or three of them end up resurrecting themselves, getting their 144 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: recruiting on track, getting their house in order and end 145 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: up really being a big time player on the national stage. 146 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: I think the ladder is a lot more likely. If 147 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: we just ran raw statistical models on this, I think 148 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: the ladder is far more likely. And so with that 149 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: being said, I think the ACC is in a good 150 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: position to possibly strengthen itself by sitting still and looking 151 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: in the mirror instead of the window, and so I 152 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: don't necessarily think there's anything to be overly concerned about 153 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: right now, Edwin. I also think, and I believe, if 154 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: you look across the nation at this moment, you can 155 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: tell a lot of people have indeed leaned back in 156 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: the chair, breathed a little sigh of relief, and they 157 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: believe what was once feared to be a realignment tsunami, 158 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: at least for the time being, was merely a rogue wave, 159 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: and the Texas ou rogue wave came through. But there 160 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: hasn't been any more movement. And I know there may 161 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: be suspicions, but I don't get the sense there are 162 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of smoke filled backroom handshake deals going on 163 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: right now that we'll find out about later down the line. 164 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: I could be wrong there, but if I'm wrong, there 165 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: several big time involved athletic directors are also wrong, and 166 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: I just don't think they are. I don't think there's 167 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: much going on right now. But again, we're trying to 168 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: see around the corner here, and it's hard to see 169 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: around the corner week to week sometimes when you're talking 170 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: about this specific topic. Kyle is next up, What a 171 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: doozy this is? Have you watched season two of Outer Banks? 172 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: If so, would love to hear your predictions thoughts for 173 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: season three. I assume most of you know why this 174 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: question is being included on a college football podcast. It's 175 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: not just because they play football in that portion of 176 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the country. But for those of you unfamiliar, because I 177 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: was looking at our numbers yesterday and we added another 178 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: couple of thousand downloads per episode, so we have several 179 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: new listeners every single show we put out. Now, welcome 180 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: to the party. Firstly, Secondly, you need to know something. 181 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: You need to know that my name is indeed Josh 182 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: Pate and I do indeed work in a front facing 183 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: aspect in the media landscape in the United States of America. 184 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly Brad Pitt, but in another sense, hey, 185 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: we both appear on TV screen sometimes, So in that sense, 186 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: Brad and I we share a commonality, so as best us, 187 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: I hope Brad's doing better than I am. Right now, Jordan, 188 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: we can leave it in. Let me take a little 189 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: little swig of a super old brew two hundred and 190 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: fifty milligram caffeine here. Yes, nothing, nothing rids yourself of 191 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: a raspy voice quite like drinking legal gasoline. So anyway 192 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: back to my original point. If you are indeed new 193 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: to the show and you're still around after that ratchetness, yes, 194 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: my name's Josh Pate. However, I am not the Josh Pate, 195 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: and I want to stress this again for those in 196 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: the back or those who may have been paying attention 197 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: elsewhere and now you've zoned in. I am not the 198 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: Josh Pate that created and directed and produced the show 199 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: on Netflix' Outer Banks, solid show. I will vouch for 200 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: the quality of the show. I cannot, however, confirm, and 201 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: in fact, I can unequivocally deny, that I'm the guy 202 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: who created the show. Well, friends, the problem is the 203 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: crowd that watches Outer Banks in a lot of cases 204 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: does not listen to college football podcasting or watch college 205 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: football on YouTube and therefore, they have not heard me 206 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: say this. And since the Josh pat who created this 207 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: show apparently as a pariah and doesn't really have a 208 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: social presence and doesn't have his own Twitter account, people 209 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: take it upon themselves to assume I am him, And 210 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: as you have seen again if you follow me on 211 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram, I've kind of been having fun with it. 212 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: My inbox has been a Category five disaster zone over 213 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: the past month, now that season two has been released, 214 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: of outer banks on Netflix, of people sending me everything 215 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: from complaints to plot lines to me being anti LGBTQ 216 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: because I haven't involved enough gay characters in the show. 217 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: This is not a joke. I am dead serious with you. 218 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: This is happening every day in my inbox. Am I 219 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: a victim? Yeah? Yeah, I am a victim. So this 220 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: is the very first world problem. But it's a problem nonetheless. 221 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: So circling back to the question that Kyle just asked, 222 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I've been so preoccupied with whack a mole and blocking 223 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: people in my dms talking about Season two that know, Kyle, 224 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: I have not myself been able to watch Season two. However, 225 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: I do have buddies texting me about it constantly. Telling 226 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: me how good a job I did on the show. 227 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: So this is something I'm gonna have to wear around 228 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: my ankle from now into eternity, or at least until 229 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: that show ends. Fortunately it's a good show. And on 230 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: a related note, if anyone in the Outer Banks area, 231 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: because I don't know what the high school situation is 232 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: up there, but if there is a high school up 233 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: there with the name Outer Banks in the title, whatsoever, 234 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: I need the merch DM me. I'll give you the address. Actually, 235 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: on second thought, I'll give you the office address, because, 236 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: knowing what my DM situation has been like lately, the 237 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: last thing I want to be doing in there is 238 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: given out my home address. So I'll give you the 239 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: office address. No one cares if you bombard the office. 240 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: But I need some Outer Banks paraphernalia, merch, whatever the 241 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: case may be. Thank you. That concludes our Outer Bank's 242 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: review of today. Thank you, Kyle. Let's go to Bennett. Yeah, 243 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: this is a good one here, he said. Has Dan 244 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Mullen underachieved at Florida? Why does it feel like this 245 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: program has failed to reach the next step and is 246 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: typically viewed as less than Georgia despite beating the dogs 247 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. What's holding the Gators back from 248 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: being elite? Well, first things first, Dan Mullen has not 249 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: regularly beaten Georgia. He's done at one time. Now it 250 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: was the most important time because it's the most recent time. 251 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: The second part about feeling inferior to Georgia, or that 252 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: being the perception, well that's tied into recruiting, and to 253 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: that point, I would agree, I think Georgia has the 254 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: superior program to Florida now. But when we start talking 255 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: about this, this is nebulous. First off, when you say 256 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: Georgia's got the superior program, we're not talking a five 257 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: touchdown gap or anything like that. And secondly, programs don't 258 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: play on the field. Teams play on the field. If 259 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: we define program like I do, at least as a 260 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: three year rolling snapshot or maybe if you want to 261 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: a four year rolling snapshot of what your overall brand 262 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: looks like, then yes, Georgia has the superior brand. They've 263 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: won more over that time period, they've recruited better over 264 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: that time period. But guess what all that was true 265 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: going into last year's game? Did it matter? No? Florida 266 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: was rolling them at halftime and they ended up beating 267 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: them soundly, And so what I would do if I 268 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: were a Florida fan is my same advice to any 269 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: fan base. Stop worrying about what the rest of the 270 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: country feels about you. The only time that matters is 271 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: if it bleeds into recruiting, and if recruits out there 272 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: are thinking the same thing about you, well, that's why 273 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: you're not doing this for charity. You're doing this as 274 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: a profession and getting paid a lot of money to 275 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: alter that. Whether it's on the field performance or whether 276 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: you're just that good in the living room, or whether 277 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: you slowly but surely sell prospects on the fact that 278 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: whatever the external is is the external. But here's what 279 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: we're selling internally. They used to say this stuff about 280 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Clemson all the time. Dabo Sweeney got it turned around. 281 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: Dabo finally got it corrected. And I have not heard 282 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: anyone use the phrase or the term clemsoning in quite 283 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: a while. So if they're saying this stuff about Florida, 284 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: then stop it, because no one says it about Alabama. 285 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: No one says it about Clemson now. And these are 286 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: programs that once upon a time were nothing to write 287 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: home about. Ohio State, you know, I was reading an email, 288 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: a really good viewer email last night. It was very lengthy, 289 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: but he was talking about Ohio State and what perception 290 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: today is of that program versus what it was. And 291 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: he was right, and he said, there is a long 292 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: stretch if you look at the history of Ohio State 293 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: back in the mid two thousands, early mid late two thousands, 294 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: where the perception of Ohio State was that's a good, 295 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: solid program, but they lack elite speed. They will get 296 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: smoked when they go up against the big boys from 297 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: the south because it kept happening and kept happening and 298 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: kept happening, and they would get on a big stage. 299 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Then they would not win on the big stage. And 300 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: so that was the perception nationally Ohio State's good, big 301 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: ten school, but they are not a national power because 302 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: no one fears them nationally. Well, you know what people 303 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: feel when they line up against Ohio State. Now ask 304 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: Oregon how much they're looking forward to play in Ohio 305 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: State in week two. They're looking forward to the challenge. 306 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: But an Oregon fan, how confident are you that you 307 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: can go in there and win? Not a ton of confidence. 308 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: You've got a puncher's chance. But there wouldn't be budding 309 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: confidence that I'm gonna bet next week's paycheck on us 310 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: on the money line. No, there's not, because the perception's changed. 311 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Perception changed because things change, reality changed. So I would 312 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: advise you not to worry about it. But if you 313 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: are worried about it, let me tell you what could 314 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: change this. More so than anything, what could change it 315 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: is watching all of the reasons that people think Florida 316 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: one because of walk out the door, namely guys like 317 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts or Kyle Trask. Have them walk out the 318 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: door that wide receiver talent gone to and then beat 319 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: Georgia again this year. Beat a Georgia team many people, 320 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: including myself, thinks is the closest thing to a national 321 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: championship caliber product that Kirby Smart's put on the field. 322 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: They think that about Georgia, most of the nation does. 323 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: Most of the nation thinks you'll be down relative to 324 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: what you were last year. Beat them anyway, then you 325 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: got a two year streak going against them, and you've 326 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: beaten them when hardly anyone thought it was possible. And 327 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: then talk to me, because all of a sudden, I 328 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: think the tune would change. You would hear a considerable 329 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: change about how people view Florida football. It's easy and 330 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: it's difficult. It's easy to say it, it's difficult to 331 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: do it. But to address what the original question was, 332 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't think Dan Mullen's underachieved there at all. This 333 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: is his fourth year there. He has gone ten and three, 334 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: eleven and two, eight four last year, and we'll see 335 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: what he does this year. But also let's remember he 336 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: went eight and four last year, but he did beat Georgia, 337 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: he did win the East. Now, I know the season 338 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: didn't end like anyone would want it to, but no, 339 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: that's not underachievement. Underachievement is why he was there to 340 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: begin with. Florida went four and seven in twenty seventeen. 341 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: That's under achievement. I don't think he's underachieved. I mean, 342 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: unless you define underachievement as not being in the playoff 343 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: every year, then most of the most of the big 344 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: boys in the country are underachieving. I think Dan Mullen's 345 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: done a really good job down there. There is room 346 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: for improvement. But that's good news when I can tell 347 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 1: you I don't think you've underachieved, but there's also significant 348 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: room for you to improve, well, that means you probably 349 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: have elite ceiling on you. Certainly this is directly tied 350 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to an improvement and the recruiting apparatus down there, which 351 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: is what we're all waiting on. But no, I don't 352 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: think he's underachieved, but yeah, there is room to grow still, 353 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: Kyle up next. Do you think the opportunity for any 354 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: team in the Power five to propel to the top 355 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: exists in the modern struct For instance, take Clemson. It's 356 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: a small town in South Carolina. Until the last five 357 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: or six years, they've been a good program, but not elite. 358 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden they propelled to elite Tier 359 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: one status and recruit at an elite level. Now do 360 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: you think this is possible for other programs that don't 361 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: have historical success to do something like this? This is 362 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: an excellent question. What I don't think is possible is 363 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: to do what Bobby Bowden did once upon a time, 364 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: which is take a program that's an afterthought nationally, not 365 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: even a blip on the radar screen, and take them 366 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: to national prominence. I mean, take them to the very 367 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: pinnacle of the sport. I do not believe that's possible 368 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: because I think we've had such a hockey stick effect 369 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: of the haves versus the have nots in this sport 370 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: that I don't believe the canyon is crossable. I think 371 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: there is a canyon, a detachment, even if you will 372 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: that the top of the sport has taken from even 373 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: the mid tier, much less the bottom tier of the sport. 374 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: So I don't think that's a canyon you can cross. Like, 375 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: building that bridge across that canyon is probably an insurmountable task. 376 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: Having said that, could you be a very good solid 377 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: You can always count on a lot of passion from 378 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: the fan base. There's full investment, there's full buy in. 379 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: There's no mistaking what they take serious and what their 380 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: priorities are. Now, have they ever flashed on the national scene. 381 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: Have they been a perennial player in the playoff picture? No, 382 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: they haven't yet. But what are we looking at. We're 383 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: looking at potential upside And maybe you've got to be 384 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: situated geographically in a spot where you have pretty good 385 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: access to one or multiple recruiting pipelines and then you're 386 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: in the right conference. Yes, if you fit those parameters, 387 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: then yes, I still think that that is in the cards. Today, 388 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: I'll take their neighbors in their own state, South Carolina. 389 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: This is gonna sound absurd right now. There is nothing 390 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: stopping South Carolina from this point moving forward to eventually 391 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: ascending to the level that they're in state neighbor. Clemson 392 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: is different conference makes it a lot more treacherous a 393 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: path for them, scheduling wise. I know that, But there's 394 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: a trade off there, folks. There's a trade off in 395 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: that the check you're gonna cash at the end of 396 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: the year because of how having that SEC sticker on 397 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: your helmet makes it all worth it. Now, I think 398 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: some fans are tired of hearing that. I think you're 399 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: tired of hearing how much money your team brings in 400 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: because they're affiliated with a conference where they get their 401 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 1: brains beat in four or five times a year. Well, 402 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: I understand why you be tired of that, But don't 403 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: think for a second it doesn't matter. And with the 404 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: way the money has grown in the sport. Here's how 405 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: you should look at it. If I were a South 406 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: Carolina fan, if I'm an Arkansas fan, here's how I 407 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: think about it. Have we contended for the SEC title 408 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: down here? Really? We haven't. We've been in the conversation. 409 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: We've played for it, but we haven't won it, and 410 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: we're not in the conversation right now, certainly have not 411 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: been on the precipice of making the playoff. What has 412 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: separated us, Well, there's a gap in resource obviously. Now 413 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: I want you to think about the massive infusion of 414 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: money that is coming for the SEC. On one hand, 415 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: an economist could tell you, well, yes, you're going to 416 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: make a lot more money, but the big boys at 417 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: the table are also going to make that much more money. 418 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: And so realistically, the gap between South Carolina and Alabama 419 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: is not going to close any And that's true. But 420 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: we're not talking about the gap between South Carolina and Alabama. 421 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: We're zooming out and we're looking nationally. We're talking about 422 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: the gap between South Carolina and Clemson, for example. We're 423 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: talking about the gap between South Carolina and Penn State. 424 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: This is the way we should look at this, because 425 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: here's where I think we're headed. Imagine if you have 426 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: a swimming pool in your backyard. Swimming pool, let's say 427 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: it holds twenty thousand gallons of water, and let's say 428 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: one pool has thirteen thousand gallons in it, and the 429 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: other pool has twenty thousand gallons in it. Well, which 430 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: pool is it easier to swim in? Which pool is 431 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: it much safer to dive in? Well, obviously the one 432 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: with twenty thousand gallons and it cause it's all the 433 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: way full. Now I want you to imagine this same 434 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: two pools. One of them have thirteen one of them 435 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: was full at twenty thousand. Let's add four gallons of 436 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: water to both pools. Now we've got what Well, in 437 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: the first pool, we've got seventeen thousand gallons. How much 438 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: water do we have in the second pool? That's the 439 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: trick question. We had twenty thousand gallons. We add four 440 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: thousand gallons of water to the pool. How much do 441 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: we have now? The answer is we still have twenty 442 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: thousand gallons. So we added the same amount to each pool, 443 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: but a gap closed, and the gap closed because Pool 444 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: B was already as full as it could get. That 445 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: is where I think some of the money figures in 446 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: college football are headed. There's only so much you can 447 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: invest in a college football program. It's like the swimming pool. 448 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: For a long time, we were comparing college football programs 449 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: and one of the pools had seventeen thousand gallons in 450 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: it and one had six thousand, and you could see 451 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: the gap, and eventually the Bamas of the world got 452 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: themselves to twenty thousand gallons. But I think in the 453 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: future these dollar figures are going to get so much 454 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: bigger that you think, well, what are they going to 455 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: do build a NASA space station in Tuscaloosa. No, the 456 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: reality is what it takes to invest in a college 457 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: football program, and the maximum capacity you could be operating 458 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: at as a college football program is already virtually met. 459 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: In a few places in the country. They're pool is full. 460 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: It's at the twenty thousand gallon limit. That's a figure 461 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: once thought impossible. Ten thousand gallons in your college football 462 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: pool used to be absurd, and you used to look 463 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: at twenty thousand gallons and say, well, the sport will 464 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: never get there. Well, we're there, and now we're going 465 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: to the next step. So the path for South Carolina 466 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: and programs like that in the future is, let's hope 467 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: that the added TV money has a net effect of 468 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: closing this gap, because some of these programs are already 469 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: so flushed with cash that they're overflowing with it. They've 470 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: already invested to a maximum capacity. This is helping us 471 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: close the gap on them. That's what you have to hope. 472 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: So I think yes to answer the question, Kyle, this 473 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: prospect is in the cards. Who's going to take advantage 474 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: of it? Because even if you got the money, even 475 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: if you got the resources, there are a lot of 476 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: programs out there with full pools of resource that suck. 477 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: They can't win on the field. So what does it mean, Well, 478 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: it means it takes more than money. That's what it means. 479 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: You have to properly invest it, properly, spend it properly. 480 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Higher first and foremost, and then the rest of the 481 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: dominoes tend to fall accordingly. Dylan's got a question up 482 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 1: next about quarterbacks and about nil. Quinn Ewers has been 483 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: a big headline grabber right now, leaving his senior year 484 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: of high school to enroll at Ohio State early. And 485 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: there are some people who are scared, well, that's just 486 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: going to start happening coast to coast, And there are 487 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: other people who are aggravated because they feel like the 488 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: state could have been more proactive in passing new NIL 489 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: legislation and maybe kept him home. What is the future 490 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: of all this stuff. I'll discuss it right after this. 491 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: So Dylan asks, with quinn Ewers coming to Ohio State 492 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: a year early, does this put pressure on states like 493 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: Texas to reevaluate nil for high school athletes or does 494 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: this begin a wave of reclassification of sought after athletes 495 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: to get to college earlier. If you're unfamiliar with this story, 496 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: quin Ewers was our number one quarterback prospect for the 497 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three cycle. Well, he was going to be 498 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: a senior in high school this year. He just decided, 499 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: I'm leaving high school, I'm going to reclassify, and I'm 500 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: going to Ohio State and now cash in on NIL deals. 501 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: And the whole hang up was the current rules in 502 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: Texas would not allow him to do it. He could 503 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: not profit as an athlete, as a high school athlete 504 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: at least, And so that's been the big rub because 505 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: this is so new, and legislation moves at a notoriously 506 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: snail's pace that and that's not always a bad thing, 507 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 1: by the way, but it's the way it is. And 508 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: so since things are changing so rapidly, it's the same 509 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: way as sports betting is back home in Georgia. I 510 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: can't pick up my eye, Josh and bet on a game. 511 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: But when I get here to Nashville, I can do 512 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: it no problem. And so in some cases you've got 513 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: folks standing within eyeballs distance of their neighbors, and one 514 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: lives over in one state, one lives in another state, 515 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: and they're living under different betting laws. Will Nil's the 516 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: same way now? Ten years from now, there will be 517 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: consistency probably across the board, just like with sports betting. 518 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: Ten years from now, every state will have legalized sports betting. 519 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: But it's going to take inordinate amount of times at 520 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: one place versus another place. So yes, Dylan, I think 521 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: it's going to I think it's going to bring a 522 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: push that probably would be more sudden than it would 523 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: have otherwise. But is it going to lead to a 524 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: wave of reclassification? Now this I'm interested in because Quinn 525 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: Eewers is not the case study here. Quin Ewers is 526 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: a transcendent athlete. He's a guy who actually has that 527 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of brand value built into himself already, even as 528 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: a high school kid. Those are very few and far between. Now, 529 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean I couldn't be a five star running 530 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: back and skip my senior year and probably make thirty 531 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars seventy five hundred dollars, I'd probably do that. 532 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: When we're talking about big time money here though, and 533 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: we're also talking about the ability to as what should 534 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: be a high school senior walk on to a college 535 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: campus at Ohio State and actually make people ask who. 536 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: I wonder if he's going to take the starting job 537 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: from what is universally renowned as the most loaded quarterback 538 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: room in the country. What I'm saying is, I don't 539 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: know if I would predict this to be a wave. Now. 540 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: It could happen at the quarterback spot maybe, but I 541 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: don't know if this is going to be a wave necessarily. 542 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: What I think will happen is I think State will 543 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: adjust and they'll realize, we don't want this to be 544 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: a wave, So let's proactively get in front of this 545 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: and allow that kind of thing at the high school level. 546 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: Since they're allowing it at the college level. You know 547 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: what's the difference at this point anyway? And I think 548 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: Dylan ultimate, yeah, we're going to see a lot of 549 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: movement in that. Let's go to cam next. This is 550 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: a good question here, It's one that a lot of 551 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: you are always curious about, and you get precious few 552 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: answers on it. So let me try and give you 553 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: an answer. Cam says, I've always been curious about how 554 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: recruiting works behind the scenes. How many people are actually 555 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: evaluating players? Does it change by position? I normally check 556 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: out the twenty four to seven composite for general consensus 557 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: on a player, but I'm curious how a guy could 558 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: be the thirteenth ranked quarterback for one organization and the 559 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: number eighty one quarterback for another. Are all the agencies 560 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: considering NFL potential as the key to the ranking or 561 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: are there separate camp showings playing heavily into the ratings? 562 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: And that's from Cam, so I think this is a 563 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: case by case basis. Cam, the way it works here, 564 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: I can't comment because I haven't worked anyone where else. 565 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 1: The way I know it works here is you have 566 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: a recruiting council. So you've got several guys on that council. 567 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: Some are regional, some are even more hyper focused into 568 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: a state scene. But they all come together weekly and 569 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: they're continually evaluating what the rankings are in house. Let's 570 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: say for the twenty twenties who cycle right now. It's 571 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: a little unique because you're getting eyes on kids in 572 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: some cases that you haven't been able to see because 573 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: of COVID protocol for like a year and a half. 574 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: But in a normal cycle, you know you'll be coming 575 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: out of the camp season right now and you'll be 576 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: going into fall practice season for those players, and so 577 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: you're trying to get good evows on them. You've spent 578 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: the entire summer talking to staffs. You've been on the road. 579 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: Our recruiting staff's been on the road an insane amount 580 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: of time this summer trying to get their eyes on 581 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: as many guys as possible, and so you're requiring obviously 582 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot of in person eyeball on repetition, but then 583 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: also you are getting feedback from as many people as possible. 584 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: And what that recruiting council does is they'll just start 585 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: going to battle with each other and they'll start really 586 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 1: dissecting why we think this quarterback should be thirteenth versus seventeenth, 587 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: Like what does he bring to the table that these 588 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: two don't, And it can get a little contentious and heated. 589 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: That's a good thing for you. Ultimately, the consumer. Because 590 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: you get the most thoroughly vetted reaction to players, you 591 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: get the most thoroughly vetted product. I would say that 592 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: doesn't make it perfect. What is a perfect recruiting product? 593 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: But yes, to answer your question thinking forward to future 594 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: NFL draft ability, that's the way, especially at the top end, 595 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: that a lot of guys are rated. And the reason 596 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: that is the case. I haven't always been totally crazy 597 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: about that concept myself, but I'm not on the council 598 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. But I know what the methodology 599 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: behind it was and is, and that is what is 600 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: the truest test out there. Think about it, if you 601 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: were putting it together, what is the truest test free 602 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: of bias? Three or four years down the road, to 603 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: look back on your rankings, you're all your five star 604 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: kids one through thirty two and decide whether you were 605 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: right or not. Well, it's the NFL draft. Now that 606 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: in and of itself is nowhere close to a perfect system. 607 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: But out of the other systems that you could choose, 608 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: it's the one that's the most bias free. It's the 609 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: most honest and fair because the NFL, you know, draft 610 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: is just taking the best players They don't really care 611 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: if you went to Alabama or you went to Alcorn State. 612 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: They're taking the best players. But cam it really varies. 613 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: There are some guys whose film just stands out to 614 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: you and you don't really even care what they look 615 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: like in a camp. Maybe they got some bad weight 616 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: on them, you know, maybe they don't look toned like 617 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: they live in the weight room, but they're just there. 618 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: They shine when the lights come on on Friday night. 619 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: And that's a film guy. And some guys get their 620 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: lofty grade because of that. Other guys are just freaks 621 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: in camp and maybe that's where you see them and 622 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: you get enamored with them, and so they get a 623 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: lofty rating because of that point being, there are many 624 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: different different methods of evaluation. I'm a believer you should 625 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: have as many tools at your disposal as possible, and 626 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: that's what our recruiting council does. Now you ask, how 627 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: could a twenty four to seven grade differ with that, 628 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: let's say Rivals dot Com. Wh's just because it's opinion. 629 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: It's an opinion game. I don't think that's a bad thing. 630 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: By the way, what I would be more concerned about, 631 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: and I remember when I first got here sitting in 632 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: one of the first meetings, first meetings I was at 633 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: in twenty four to seven, there was some yelling back 634 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and forth, and the yelling was because it was observed 635 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: that there was too much uniformity an opinion on recruiting, 636 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: and there was too much of an agreement across the board, 637 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: and the consensus was there's no possible way that ten 638 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: people can see a high school kid the exact same way. 639 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: There's gotta be a lot more variance in opinion. So 640 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: when cam you look at variants and opinion, I don't 641 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: think that's a bad thing at all. I think it's 642 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: a sign of anti group thing. I think it's a 643 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: sign that there are a number of individual informed opinions 644 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: being waited here. And at the end of the day, 645 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, in high school, there may have been a 646 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: girl that my buddy thought was beautiful and I said, eh, 647 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: And then I thought that about another girl and he thought, Eh, 648 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: it's just opinion, that's all it is. You may love sushi, 649 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: I do too. My mom back home would just as 650 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: soon jump off a cliff as eat a roll of sushi. 651 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: It's all opinion. The thing that you would need to 652 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: worry about a lot more is when there's just broad 653 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: consensus that a kid is the number one kid in 654 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: the country the number eleven kid in the country, Because 655 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: that looks like everyone just remembered to do the assignment 656 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the night before and everyone copied each other. That's what 657 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't think you want in this game at all. 658 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: All right, I know I told a lot of you 659 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: via email that I was going to get your questions, 660 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: and I still have a bunch of them to get to, 661 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: so we'll roll those over to Thursday. Thank you again 662 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: so much. Remember we got Late Kick live tonight. Remember 663 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: to follow me Twitter, Instagram at late Kick Josh. The 664 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: show is blowing up and now the season's here, so 665 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: you can only imagine the mushroom cloud that we want 666 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: right over that brand. Late Kick could be a good 667 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 1: logo idea, I'm the second thought, probably not. We'll leave 668 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: it as is until this evening. For a producer Jordan, 669 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate. Thanks so much, have a great rest 670 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: of your day, and God bless me.