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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hello everybody, and welcome to Are You

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Speaker 1: a Charlotte? I have a very special guest today. This

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Speaker 1: is Glenn Fleshler. He played school you guys. It's so

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Speaker 1: exciting to talk to Glenn. He was in episode one

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Speaker 1: oh six Secret Sex. This is the first season and

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in person in many, many, many years,

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Speaker 1: but I have seen his work so many times. And

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Speaker 1: he's currently starring with George Clooney on Broadway and good

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Speaker 1: Night and good Luck. So he took time on his

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Speaker 1: day off to talk to us, and here is the

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Speaker 1: lovely Glenn Fleschler. Glenn Fleshler's here. I'm so excited, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor and a trip.

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Speaker 1: It is a trip, right.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: What is so funny to me about you is that,

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Speaker 1: obviously we were together on the show Sex and the

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Speaker 1: City first season. Wait, what was the one called that

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Speaker 1: he's in the Secret Sex, Secret Sex? That's right, And

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Speaker 1: I mean that was really early in the show and

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Speaker 1: you had your whole costume on, you know, But ever

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Speaker 1: since then, you've been working so much and i'd been watching,

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Speaker 1: so they'd be like, that looks like that guy, and

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Speaker 1: I'd be watching, like that looks like that guy. But

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Speaker 1: like in my mind, you kind of were smool, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? The character right, So then and

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Speaker 1: you play like these heavies, like you play like so

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Speaker 1: many different like really like intense guys. Right, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: am I am I crazy? Or is that that guy

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Speaker 1: and that.

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Speaker 2: Terrible guy doing those terrible things.

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Speaker 1: I know you do some many bad things, but those

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Speaker 1: are fun parts.

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Speaker 2: Right they are? They are?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm so happy for all of your success,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that we were your first job.

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Speaker 2: My first job on my first TV show, I think, okay.

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Speaker 1: In my first TV show, there you go. So help

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Speaker 1: me remind me of it. Tell me where you were

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Speaker 1: at and what it was like to get cast in

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Speaker 2: Well, I went to acting school at NYU and found

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Speaker 2: myself very in debt and trying to work my way

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Speaker 2: out of that by doing off Broadway shows in regional theater,

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Speaker 2: which is a fools errant.

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Speaker 1: Oh I did that too, so hard, Yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: But I really just you know, had no idea how

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Speaker 2: I was going to go for it, and I always

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Speaker 2: and I resisted that notion being a native New Yorker, right,

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Speaker 2: And there wasn't really too much. I mean, HBO is

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Speaker 2: Law and Order had just kind of fired up their franchises,

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Speaker 2: So the weird thing is, you know, it's weird to

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Speaker 2: say this to you because very few people have played

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Speaker 1: Totally, totally. We're a very lucky group.

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Speaker 2: But as a character actor, you know, you kind of

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Speaker 2: want to do different things. That's sort of the fun

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Speaker 2: you get you go through these little mini runs where

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Speaker 2: now I'm playing these like tough attorneys, or And that

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Speaker 2: year that I met you, it was hasidic Jews. I

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Speaker 2: played one off Broadway, and I played.

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Speaker 1: One in a movie with Renee Zellwegger.

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Speaker 1: I saw that and I was like, there, he.

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Speaker 2: Is who just returned to my life a few days ago.

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Speaker 2: She came to see my show.

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Speaker 1: Actually, ooh, that's so nice. She's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I did this Miramax movie and but then

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Speaker 2: And I just thought that's not the way I want

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Speaker 1: Totally, totally and.

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Speaker 2: I didn't do any of that. I simply went to

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Speaker 2: they built me all that stuff, the beer pas and

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Speaker 2: I was in the cafeteria wherever you ate, right, and

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Speaker 2: on Melrose Place, but I don't know your work, forgive me.

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Speaker 2: So I saw you. I think your hair was like.

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Speaker 2: So I spied you from across the room and I said, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Oh thank god. Oh I'm so glad.

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Speaker 2: You know, I basically my first TV job was having

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Williamsburg I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know, I don't mind getting paid for that.

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Speaker 1: On a side, Oh that's nice, sus enjoying it was good.

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Speaker 2: I remember the look on your face because I had

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Speaker 1: Well, good on you.

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Speaker 2: We had a fun time, as I recall.

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Speaker 1: We totally had a fun time. You were my absolute

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Speaker 1: I just remember you being very present, which is why

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Speaker 1: I'd be like that guy. He was so good. He

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Speaker 2: I always thought we were in Silver Cup.

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Speaker 1: But oh we could have been. We could have been.

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Speaker 2: That happened in the Rene Zellweger movie. Also, we had

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Speaker 2: The movie was but they were assuming and right there

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Speaker 1: So but I hadn't remembered. I do know that like

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Speaker 2: You know, for your Silver Cup.

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Speaker 1: But I could totally be wrong, right, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: this and that. But yeah, it is funny to think

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny to me. I was very tickled

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Speaker 1: incredible just to go to the theater every day, you

436
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Speaker 1: know and think like I'm in this show on Broadway,

437
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Speaker 1: Like what the heck? Like do you feel that way?

438
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Speaker 1: How do you feel?

439
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very grizzled. I got took me a

440
00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 2: very long time to get to Broadway. It like you,

441
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 2: it was a big goal for me. It was a

442
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: big deal. I grew up in New York going to

443
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Speaker 2: see Broadway shows, so it was a big deal to me.

444
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Speaker 2: But the difference from those like regional theater off Broadway

445
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: days was it's a very commercial venture. Yeah, kind of

446
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: dig their heels in, We're going to run this show

447
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 2: for a long time, and like this is my territory.

448
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: It's like a different feeling. I had a lot of

449
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: great experiences, but I ended up cranking out six Broadway

450
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Speaker 2: shows in five years.

451
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

452
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Speaker 2: And by the end of that, and I wanted the

453
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Speaker 2: experience of like a long run, because you know, when

454
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Speaker 2: you do a regional show, you know it's a couple

455
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 2: months and then you're done. And usually I wanted to

456
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: be done. But I would wonder about the people who

457
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 2: did long runs on Broadway and these kind of legendary

458
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: people who played one part for a long time, like

459
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: how do you do that? And how do you keep

460
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 2: it alive for that long? And I wanted to have

461
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Speaker 2: that experience and I did, and then I just realized, oh,

462
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: it makes me completely crazy, Like I wanted to keep

463
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Speaker 2: it fresh and you know, you know, people are paying

464
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Speaker 2: a lot of money, and you know, I take that

465
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Speaker 2: all very seriously, but it kind of it can kind

466
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Speaker 2: of make you crazy.

467
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Speaker 1: Oh definitely. It's so hard. It's so incredibly hard to

468
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Speaker 1: do one show eight times a week. One show eight

469
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Speaker 1: times a week is a fascinating challenge. I mean, Sex

470
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Speaker 1: and the City and just like that is a different challenge,

471
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Speaker 1: right because you're playing the same character, but you're in

472
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Speaker 1: different situations. You know, different things are happening, and sometimes

473
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Speaker 1: it's funny and sometimes it's serious. But when you're doing

474
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Speaker 1: the same exact story night after night after night, oh wow,

475
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: it was like fascinating. I've never had a long run

476
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: either though, but just doing eight shows a week is

477
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Speaker 1: just a whole thing.

478
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Speaker 2: It is, it's a thing. You know, this has been amazing,

479
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: but it has been an incredible amount of work, just

480
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: a lot of mental It's like the most kind of

481
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Speaker 2: mentally challenging, one of them most interesting challenging things I've done,

482
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Speaker 2: because it's you know, and also that it's that thing.

483
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've had this opportunity to like

484
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 2: play a real life person, real person.

485
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Speaker 1: I have it's so stressful.

486
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Speaker 2: Well you want to honor that life, you know, and

487
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Speaker 2: so it also comes with that, and we're all playing

488
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Speaker 2: real people.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're playing great people, which is super fascinating.

490
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, complicated and yeah, it's a really

491
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Speaker 2: amazing moment in time, moment in history. So it's taken

492
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Speaker 2: a lot. Plus we have, you know, multimedia things going on.

493
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Speaker 1: I heard, I read, I read in some of the

494
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Speaker 1: glowing reviews.

495
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Speaker 2: But it's going really well and people love it. I

496
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: think people are kind of hungry for this kind of

497
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 2: thing right now, to hear the language that Edward R.

498
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Speaker 2: Murrow spoke in the fifties and speaking truth to power

499
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Speaker 2: and people just kind of like being at their best

500
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Speaker 2: doing great things. And you know, and a lot of

501
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 2: time people were it was earlier in their careers. Not Murrow,

502
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: but a lot of the other characters you're seeing them.

503
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Speaker 2: You know, they went on to be legendary news people,

504
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: but at this point they didn't know if they were

505
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: going to make it to next week. You know.

506
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that's amazing, and what an incredible thing

507
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Speaker 1: to be doing right now in our world.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels good. It's a lot of time where

509
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 2: it feels like, you know, you can feel very helpless.

510
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 2: You know, it can feel like, well, yeah, what can

511
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: I do? This just feels like to go to work

512
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: and be like, Okay, this is why I'm an actor

513
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 2: and this is what I'm doing.

514
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't feel it very often. Really landing with

515
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: people so great, it's super exciting. Can I just tell

516
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Speaker 1: you a little anecdote about James Earl Jones?

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what was the show that you've give it?

518
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Speaker 1: It was The Best Man, which we used to do

519
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Speaker 1: like every election time there would be a version of

520
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Speaker 1: the Best Man.

521
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Speaker 2: Was that with Michael Wilson.

522
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Michael Wilson so much, so much.

523
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Speaker 2: I didn't remember that you did that.

524
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say, yes I did. And the weirdest thing

525
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: about it was that so I replaced Oh, I'm not

526
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: going to remember her name, Carrie something I replaced. I

527
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: was like the second cast. So it was it was

528
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: the most incredible cast all the way around. But Michael

529
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Speaker 1: Wilson had said to me, we tried to get you

530
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Speaker 1: in the beginning. I mean I was like, well, uh,

531
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Speaker 1: I never heard that. What what like that's like your

532
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: worst nightmare as an actor, right, like this, someone tried

533
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: to get you in a Broadway show, and somehow your

534
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: agents didn't feel like telling you. It was one of

535
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Speaker 1: those moments where I do think there was an agency's change.

536
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Speaker 1: You do have those times.

537
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Speaker 2: I've knowd that a couple of times, not often, but

538
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: once in a while. I tried to get this. Did

539
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: you ever hear about this?

540
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Speaker 1: And I know you're like, how could this happen? Like

541
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Speaker 1: like this is something that of course I would have

542
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Speaker 1: moved heaven and Earth to do, Like with James Earl Jones,

543
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, also an incredible rest of the cast, but

544
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: like James Earl Joe Jones, I mean, come on. So anyway,

545
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: I replaced with John Stamos. We came in to replace

546
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: Eric McCormack and Carrie Something's very nice, and it was

547
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: John Learriquette, you know, It's like everyone was amazing. Kennis Bergen,

548
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was so incredible, So I

549
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: would I was. I came on kind of late in

550
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: the first act, and I had a lot of time

551
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: to kill and I was so incredibly nervous to be

552
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: on the stage with these people, and I'd never been

553
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Speaker 1: on Broadway. I'd grown up doing theater. I'd done theater

554
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: a Rutgers, I'd gone to their BFA program, but I

555
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: was rusty, you know. I was like, ah, so scared.

556
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: And John was like the best co star in the world,

557
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: but he had to go on right, So I was

558
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: just by myself and I would go downstairs because they

559
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: had built a dressing room for James Earl Jones that

560
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: was on the same floor as the stage so that

561
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Speaker 1: he didn't have to go up and down the stairs,

562
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 1: and I would just go down there to hang out

563
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: with him, because he would just hang He loved people.

564
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: He loved to talk to everybody, so you could like

565
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: stop in his dressing room and talk to him, or

566
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: like sit backstage and talk to him or watch him

567
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: and he would change up stuff every night. It was incredible.

568
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: It is amazing when you get to meet people who

569
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: obviously you've admired your whole life, and you know, watch

570
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: their work and whatnot, and to be around them and

571
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: then to see whatever way because there's so many different

572
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: ways to make it work.

573
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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I mean I that was my last

574
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: experience really of being on stage. I became the sort

575
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: of go to person that could do these littler parts

576
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: or a little understudy roles and be on stage with

577
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Meryl Streep or al Pacino or walk in. And so

578
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: I had this run. I mean, I went to London

579
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 2: and did at play with Maggie Smith. It was all

580
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: kind of in a row. So I was like, what's

581
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: happening after? Like, no one knew who the hell I

582
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: was for years. You know, It's suddenly I was having

583
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: these opportunities. But I also I felt like if I

584
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 2: had stayed just doing theater, then I would have been

585
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 2: like understudy to the stars or something, you know not.

586
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: And so I knew that there was were out there

587
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: for me to do it. I wanted the challenge of

588
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like film and television even though

589
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: I was doing it here and there along the way.

590
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: I just in fact, I remember about you, about watching

591
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: you work because it was my first TV gig, and

592
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: I was a little, of course nervous about it and

593
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 2: didn't know that didn't know the technique or you know.

594
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if I still do, but I definitely

595
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: at that time didn't know, you know. And I remember

596
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: watching you and thinking like, oh, she's done a lot.

597
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: I don't know if I thought you were on a

598
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: soap or had done. I knew you had done some stuff,

599
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: but it was just like your comfort level on camera.

600
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: Like that really struck me because I was like, oh,

601
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: she's just so easy and for me, I had these

602
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: like few lines and this little part, but it's like,

603
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, becomes so important, you know, which makes it hard.

604
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: Those little parts are really hard.

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Speaker 1: That's what struck me, and I'm glad to hear you

616
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: say that, because, like I said, my memory of myself

617
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: first season was that I was kind of a mess,

618
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: or that I felt inside like a mess. You know.

619
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Speaker 2: Of course that was interesting for me to hear you

620
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: say that on some of the other pods you did,

621
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Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, to me, you were just like,

622
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: oh the season pro from LA and like, you know,

623
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: just really easy, and I was just like, ugh, I

624
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: need some of that.

625
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: Well, actually, well this is what I felt about you.

626
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: And it must have been either and because I barely remember,

627
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: like there's that I don't remember, like like I should

628
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: have come talk to you in the cafeteria or whatever.

629
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what was going on with me

630
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: that I wasn't. I was probably we're probably running lines

631
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: or so, who knows, but you know what struck me

632
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Compared to we did have this whole kind of run

633
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: of these young men who came on the show right

634
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: first season, second season before the show really hit, and

635
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: they were in what we think was going on, which

636
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we would discuss it when they

637
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: weren't there. It was weird because the men were the

638
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: girlfriend parts right like in a way that they weren't

639
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: really used to being and they seemed perplexed about how

640
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, whereas all of us very

641
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: well versed in how to do that because that was

642
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: basically what you got to do in TV and film

643
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: back then. You know what I mean, unless you were

644
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Speaker 1: Meryl Street.

645
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: That's what I heard from all my female friends, my

646
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: actress friends. It's like it's another girlfriend, part yeah wife, you.

647
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: Know exactly exactly, And they're very hard in a certain

648
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: way because you kind of have to figure the guy

649
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: out and what they want and.

650
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Speaker 2: How to make me a person. You want to be

651
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Speaker 2: a person, not.

652
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: You want to be whole absolutely, And what I remember

653
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: about you, and maybe I knew about your theater record

654
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: or maybe I didn't, I kind of just felt like

655
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: you were this schmoolt like for whatever reason, and I

656
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: just remember you being so present, and that's really what

657
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: you want. That's really the basic gist of everything that

658
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: you want in a in a especially in a romantic thing,

659
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: because you want to have it, have some life, and

660
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: it can't even even with the incredible writing that we had,

661
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: which first season, we're still finding ourselves, but like they

662
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: wrote really well, but if you're not present with the

663
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: other person, you're just doing you're having to do so

664
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Speaker 1: much more work, you know. And I remember you just

665
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Speaker 1: being a breath of fresh air in that regard, which

666
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Speaker 1: is why I always had such a fond, fond memory

667
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Speaker 1: of like, oh, that was a great storyline.

668
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Speaker 2: Thank god, I'm amazing you even remember it after all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it stood out. It really stood out.

670
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things about first season.

671
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Speaker 2: To me, that's a tribute to you because I just

672
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: feel like you made me so after that initial thing

673
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: of that look in.

674
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Speaker 1: Your eyes seeing me, I'm sorry, that's okay.

675
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Speaker 2: I think you were right. I would have sure.

676
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Speaker 1: I was a little like, I was like, Wow, they

677
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: really went for it, and I think that's what I thought,

678
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: because that's what I thought when I rewatched it. I

679
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: was like, Wow, I forgot that they really really went

680
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: for it.

681
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: Wow, right, because nobody was doing that on TV before

682
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: your show. I don't think you know that you would

683
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: see something like that and that's right, and you know

684
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: there were laughs, but it was like you're also trying

685
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: to play it for real kind of And in fact,

686
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: I remember I was think I was at a Shakespeare

687
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: festival that summer when the show aired, and I was like,

688
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what I thought about the

689
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: show and like how that was going to come off

690
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: and anything. I was a little worried to watch it,

691
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: but I get it. But this friend of mine who

692
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: was in the cast was like, we're going to gather

693
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: everybody and we're going to watch this show. And so

694
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: we watched it like late at night. Somebody recorded it

695
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: after a performance, I think, and we're sitting in this

696
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: like housing were in all watching it and there's like

697
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: a moment I'm like eyeballing you, and then I like

698
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: flick a cigarette and the whole room erupted. I remember

699
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: that response. I was like, oh, I guess this works.

700
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: Like I had no idea.

701
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Speaker 1: That was amazing.

702
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: I know that it was anything. I knew that it

703
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: was good working with you, but beyond that, I had

704
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: no idea how it would come across. So it was

705
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: kind of funny to do it with a room full

706
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: of people my first thing and just have people like

707
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: go crazy.

708
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, that's amazing. I love that. I mean that

709
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: is the one thing about television that's sometimes a bummer

710
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: is that you don't get to see the audience reaction,

711
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like it's just such a joy when because

712
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: we would usually premiere the first two episodes like with

713
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: a group, and it's such a joy because when you're

714
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: working and you watch yourself by yourself, you're always critical,

715
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: you're always going to have some critical whatevers, but if

716
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: you can watch everyone else respond, it takes that away

717
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: and you can Yeah.

718
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Speaker 2: I've been lucky enough to have a few shows where,

719
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: you know, you got to go to a big premiere

720
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: or something and they'd show the first episode or two

721
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Speaker 2: and you get to do that with a theater full

722
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Speaker 2: of people. That is great.

723
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Speaker 1: It is great. And that's the great thing about theater two.

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: It's just that immediate. You're just immediately in sancly, what's happening.

725
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Speaker 1: I know it. Well, what a joy, what a joy

726
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: you are And I'm going to come see that show

727
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: and I can't wait. And I wish you all the

728
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: success in the world, and thank you for coming on

729
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: the podcast.

730
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Speaker 2: It's really been a privilege and to you all, I know.

731
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Speaker 1: And that's also what I love about acting, right, Like

732
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: you get to meet so many different people and then

733
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you don't know if you'll see them again, or if

734
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: you won't, or if you'll get to see their work,

735
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: and like, it's just been such a joy over the

736
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: years to be like, oh my god, that's that guy there.

737
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: He is killing people.

738
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, one theater director I had said, we're friends

739
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: of the heart, you know, because we don't see each other.

740
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: We don't know I will see each other if well. But

741
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, you see the person's work and you go, oh,

742
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: that's my person. I know.

743
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: That's so true. That's so true, and you feel connected,

744
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: you are connected. That's a good point. I like that.

745
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: I like that very much. Well, Friend of the Heart,

746
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: go and have a good show. Oh you don't have

747
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: a show tonight, have a good week of shows.

748
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Speaker 2: I have a day off, have a day off.

749
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Speaker 1: Thank you for talking to me on your day off.

750
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Speaker 2: It's been such a such a pleasure, and it's great

751
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: to see you. And congratulations on everything and on this podcast,

752
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: which I think is so awesome. You're really you're really

753
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: working very hard.

754
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: I can I am working very hard make it what

755
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to be. You know, it's an ongoing process.

756
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: Material And because you had so many great actors on

757
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: the show over the years, you know, I know from

758
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: the New York theater side of things, like all the

759
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: kind of cool people you've had coming through, I think

760
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Speaker 2: it would be a blast.

761
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the joy, you know of working in New

762
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: York and getting to have those people. And I've just

763
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: been really picky about who I've had on, but you

764
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: have been on my list and thank you, thank you

765
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: for coming through because there are people where people talk

766
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: about them like you. And also Andrea book Telly who

767
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: played the modelizer, the model guy, the Bone they called

768
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: him in the first or second episode. No one has

769
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: found him for years. I mean, he's not like you,

770
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: he's not a he's a realer or now. But I

771
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: got him, I got him on, so like I have

772
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: my you know, my like people, I'm I'm looking forward

773
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Speaker 1: and you were one of them. So thank you so much.

774
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: Well, it was a no brainer. I'm thrilled to see

775
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: you and thanks for having me.

776
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. Glen. Okay, I can't wait to see

777
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Speaker 1: the show. Okay, Bye,